In short
Episode “The Condition” presents two medical mysteries.
Topic 1
“Gasp” (thunderstorm asthma in Melbourne, Nov 21, 2016).
Key claims
a rare alignment of high heat, a powerful thunderstorm, and extremely high ryegrass pollen shattered into microscopic fragments that penetrated lungs, triggering severe asthma attacks in both people with and without prior asthma.
Notable examples
Jodi Santoro (21-year-old mother, Melbourne) whose inhaler and nebulizer failed; Sunshine Hospital ER overflow with many patients sharing the same symptoms; university researcher Philip Taylor predicted the event after analyzing atmospheric allergen data and posted a warning too late. Outcomes: ~10,000 people sought care in Australia; 10 deaths.
Topic 2
“All in Their Heads” (Kuru among the Fore/“Foray” people in Papua New Guinea).
Key claims
Kuru (“trembling,” later “laughing death”) was contagious via infected brain tissue, spread through ritual cannibalism at funerals.
Notable examples
An’s sister Tan died; An later developed symptoms; anthropologist Ronald Burnt dismissed it as psychosomatic; Shirley Lindenbaum and Dr. Michael Alpers investigated and linked spread to brain-eating during funeral feasts; prions were identified in the 1990s.
Guests
No podcast guests are interviewed; the episode centers on real-life figures (Philip Taylor, Jodi Santoro, Ronald Burnt, Shirley Lindenbaum, Dr. Michael Alpers, and An/Tan).
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Chapters
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0:34 to 1:02
Introduction to the first medical mystery called 'Gasp'.
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The Story of Jodi Santoro
1:02 to 1:48
The terrifying account of Jodi Santoro's near-fatal asthma attack during a storm.
The Ambulance Ride
1:48 to 2:38
Jodi's frantic ride to the hospital as paramedics try to stabilize her.
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Chaos in the Emergency Room
2:38 to 4:25
The overwhelming influx of patients with similar symptoms at the hospital.
“on November 21, 2016, Jodi Santoro, who was a 21-year-old mother in Melbourne, Australia, woke up to the sound of her four-month-old son crying.”
The Researcher's Prediction
4:25 to 8:31
The predicted thunderstorm asthma event by Professor Philip Taylor and its implications.
“which is basically a more robust version of an inhaler.”
Understanding Thunderstorm Asthma
8:31 to 12:19
Explaining how meteorological conditions led to a health crisis in Melbourne.
“And really, the situation in the hospital only continued to get worse, with more and more and more patients showing up with worse and worse symptoms.”
Aftermath and Recovery
12:19 to 13:00
Jodi's recovery and the broader impact of the asthma epidemic on Melbourne.
“she would spend days in the ICU, hooked up to monitors, with machines pumping oxygen into her lungs while her body fought to heal.”
The Mysterious Illness of Kuru
15:59 to 27:01
Explore the cultural significance and impact of the illness Kuru in Papua New Guinea.
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The Mysterious Illness of Kuru
27:16 to 28:03
Explore the cultural significance and impact of the illness Kuru in Papua New Guinea.
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Ann's Deteriorating Condition
28:36 to 30:27
Explore the tragic progression of Ann's Kuru symptoms and the cultural implications.
“Nine months later, Ann's condition had severely deteriorated.”
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The Spread of Kuru
30:27 to 32:47
Understand how Kuru continued to take lives in the Foray community after Ann's death.
“After Ann's death, more and more people just kept on getting Kuru.”
Shirley's Research Begins
32:47 to 34:14
Follow Shirley's journey to Papua New Guinea to study Kuru and its effects.
“And eventually, Shirley made her way into this one particular Foray village, where she actually saw a white man just walking around in this village.”
Autopsy and Discovery
34:14 to 36:37
Witness the shocking findings during the autopsy of a Kuru victim's brain.
“Alpers that that did not explain why so many victims of Kuru were female.”
Understanding Kuru's Spread
36:37 to 37:59
Learn about the crucial discoveries regarding how Kuru was transmitted among the Foray people.
“This is a real disease that is killing these people.”
Cultural Practices and Rituals
37:59 to 41:50
Examine the Foray people's rituals that contributed to the spread of Kuru.
“During her research in Papua New Guinea, Shirley had learned that 4A people believe all humans have five distinct souls.”
Eradication and Understanding of Kuru
41:50 to 42:00
Discover how the 4A people stopped the practice that led to Kuru's spread and later scientific findings.
Understanding Kuru and Prions
42:00 to 43:11
Learn about the history and scientific understanding of Kuru disease.
“and the 4A population, instead of sliding towards extinction, actually began to grow really fast, and today, the total population has at least doubled.”
Podcast Production Acknowledgments
43:11 to 44:10
Discover the team behind the podcast and their contributions.
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Podcast Production Acknowledgments
45:14 to 45:46
Discover the team behind the podcast and their contributions.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Today's podcast will feature two medical mysteries that sound like they are straight out of a horror movie. The audio from both of these stories has been pulled from our main YouTube channel and has been remastered for today's episode. The links to the original YouTube videos are in the description. The first story you'll hear is called Gasp, and it's about a horrifying medical condition that was discovered when multiple people began presenting these same life-threatening symptoms. And the second and final story you'll hear is called All in Their Heads, and it's about a mysterious disease that almost wipes out an entire native tribe.
0:33But where this disease comes from will make you squirm. But before we get into today's stories, if you're a fan of the strange, dark, and mysterious delivered in story format, then you've come to the right podcast because that's all we do and we upload twice a week, once on Monday and once on Thursday. So if that's of interest to you, please buy the Amazon Music Follow button, a gift certificate to a massage parlor. But before they go in, make sure to replace all the massage oils with honey and fire ants. Okay, let's get into our first story called Gasp.
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2:38At 5.30 p.m. on November 21, 2016, Jodi Santoro, who was a 21-year-old mother in Melbourne, Australia, woke up to the sound of her four-month-old son crying. Outside, there was this horrible thunderstorm going on. All this rain and hail were pelting the roof, and the wind was so strong that all the windows in the house were rattling. Jodi reached over and grabbed her phone on the nightstand and checked the time, and she saw right away that she had overslept. However, it had been a really hot day that day, and she was so drained from the heat and also taking care of a four-month-old that she wasn't really surprised she'd overslept.
3:14But as the sound of her son's cries intensified, Jodi knew no matter how tired she was, she needed to get up and go tend to him. But the instant her legs swung off the bed and she actually tried to stand up, she knew something was wrong and it had nothing to do with being tired. She had this incredible sense of dizziness come over her and then her chest suddenly tightened up to the point where she could barely even breathe in. She found herself grabbing the bed just to steady herself. However, as alarming as this was, Jodi didn't panic. She knew this feeling. She had been dealing with asthma for years, and she knew this was the start of an asthma attack.
3:51And so Jodi reached over for her inhaler on the nightstand. She picked it up, brought it to her lips, pressed it down, and then took in a measured breath of the medication, expecting to pretty much immediately feel relief. But she didn't. The inhaler wasn't working. Jodi again pressed down the inhaler harder this time and took a bigger breath in, hoping that a bit more medication might do the trick, but again, it just was not working. And so now, with panic rising inside of her, she's still struggling to breathe, her son is still freaking out and she can't tend to him, and all she was thinking is, I have to get my nebulizer, which is basically a more robust version of an inhaler.
4:28It provides more medication more quickly into your body. However, the nebulizer, which was just over in her closet, required some setup, and she knew she felt so frantic right now and she was shaking so much that she didn't think she'd be able to set it up or even set it up in time before she passed out. Just then, her fiancé walked into the bedroom, drawn there by the sound of their son crying. But the second he walked in, his attention was not on their son, it was instead on Jody, who by now was clutching the bed and kind of hobbled over and very clearly having some sort of medical emergency.
5:01Jody turned to him and began to say, I can't breathe. But her fiancé already knew she had asthma. He knew what these attacks looked like. And so without even needing to be told, he rushed to the closet, set up her nebulizer, and then put the mask right over her face. And as soon as it was, Jodi took in the biggest inhale she possibly could, really believing this was going to stop the asthma attack. But just like the inhaler, the nebulizer didn't work. It felt like with every breath she was taking, her lungs were shrinking, not expanding. And so Jodi turned to her fiancé and croaked out, call an ambulance, her voice barely audible.
5:37And so her fiancé, who also was now beginning to panic, grabbed the phone, and as he was talking to the dispatcher, trying to relay all the details of what was happening, outside this thunderstorm was only getting worse and worse. The hail and the rain were battering the sides of the house, and all the windows were shaking. I mean, it was absolute bedlam inside of this house. The next few minutes were torture for Jodi. She laid on the bed waiting for paramedics. Her breasts at this point were so small, so shallow, like she knew she was about to pass out any second. And then finally, the paramedics rushed inside.
6:10She knew there were two people in the room, but it was so chaotic. And all she could say when they showed up in the room was, I'm going to die. I'm going to die. The paramedics lifted her off the bed. They put her on the gurney. and as they wheeled her out the door towards the ambulance, her world went totally black.
6:30The paramedics rushed Jodi to Sunshine Hospital, and on the way, they tried to stabilize her by squeezing these oxygen bags, forcing oxygen into Jodi's lungs. And as they were doing that, Jodi's fiance was following the ambulance right behind, white-knuckling the steering wheel, praying his fiance was going to survive this asthma attack. When the ambulance finally arrived at Sunshine Hospital, the emergency room was mayhem. Paramedics quickly wheeled Jodi in on her gurney, shouting out her vital signs to the doctors waiting near the door. Her fiancé, meanwhile, watched helplessly as the medical staff surrounded her and inserted IV lines, hooked up monitors, and began intubating her to force even more oxygen into her lungs.
7:13But fortunately, this rapid medical intervention once Jodi got to the hospital appeared to work. Because not long after getting there, Jodi did begin to stabilize, not enough to suggest that she was actually all better, but her condition basically began to improve. However, the moment she began to improve, instead of the medical team, you know, talking to her and figuring out what happened and making sure she really was on a path to recovery here, instead, the medical team literally ran out of her room back out to the front of the ER. Because by this point, the Sunshine Hospital ER was overflowing with patients.
7:50There were all these people in the waiting room and also outside, and basically everybody had the same symptoms as Jodi. They couldn't breathe. There were people slumped on the ground against the wall, screaming for help. I mean, the medical team was totally overwhelmed. And on top of that, there were ambulances literally lined up around the block waiting to drop off patients. There just wasn't any more space. But nonetheless, Nevertheless, doctors and nurses and the medical team at the hospital worked furiously moving from one patient to the next, sometimes in an exam room, sometimes out in the waiting room, sometimes outside.
8:23It's wherever the patients were. But the weird thing was, is all these people, they had the same symptoms, these severe asthma attacks, yet many of the people that were showing up had never had asthma in their lives before. So how was this happening? This went on for hours and hours. And really, the situation in the hospital only continued to get worse, with more and more and more patients showing up with worse and worse symptoms. And so during this madness, Jodi, who really hadn't gotten better, she just stabilized, she actually was moved out of the emergency room and over to the ICU pretty much just to create one more space for new patients.
9:02And so in the ICU, Jodi's fiancé sat next to her, gripping her hand, listening to the sound of the monitors beeping steadily all around her. Outside the room, he could see doctors and nurses and medical staff sprinting up and down the hallways, looking frantic and worried. He had no idea what was happening here. He just hoped Jody would be okay. But it would turn out there actually was someone who knew exactly what was going on. A university researcher named Philip Taylor had actually predicted this the day before. Professor Taylor was an expert in atmospheric allergens, a field so niche that barely anybody outside of his small research circle had even heard of it.
9:43And so on the afternoon of November 20th, the day before, Taylor had been at home in his office analyzing data when he noticed something very alarming. All of the ingredients for a catastrophic event were aligning in the forecast, and the patterns were so precise that it stopped him cold. Taylor was stunned. He'd spent years studying the effects of weather on public health, but he'd never seen anything like this before. And at the same time, Taylor also realized that as alarming as this was, very few other people, if anybody, would see this as a problem. He was like the one person in the world that had the expertise to see how catastrophic this might actually be.
10:26And so desperate to warn others, he wound up posting a very urgent announcement on this weather website that he managed, but unfortunately, it just wasn't seen by enough people in time. And so now, as hospitals all across Melbourne overflowed with people gasping for air, Taylor sat in his backyard watching the storm unfold. The sky was pitch black, rain and hail was coming down, the wind was whipping, and off in the distance, all he could hear was thunder and sirens. And he knew, unfortunately, his prediction had been right. Just like Professor Taylor's weather models had predicted, on November 21, 2016, Melbourne, Australia was hit by an extremely rare event known as thunderstorm asthma.
11:10This deadly phenomenon can only occur when three very specific weather conditions align. One, high heat during the day. Two, a very powerful thunderstorm. And three, extremely high pollen levels. Melbourne's heat that day had caused unusually high concentrations of ryegrass pollen to hang in the air. And then when that huge thunderstorm rolled in, the intense humidity, the wind, and the rain shattered the pollen grains into microscopic fragments. And then these tiny particles, which were way smaller than regular pollen, were carried by this storm deep into people's homes and into their lungs. Unlike normal pollen, these microscopic fragments bypassed the body's typical defenses and embedded themselves deep into people's lungs, causing severe and sudden asthma attacks.
12:01Now, for people who already had asthma, this was catastrophic. But even perfectly healthy people found themselves gasping for air, overwhelmed by the sheer density of this microscopic pollen. The storm had essentially made the air everybody in Melbourne was breathing deadly. As for Jodi Santoro, she would spend days in the ICU, hooked up to monitors, with machines pumping oxygen into her lungs while her body fought to heal. But she was lucky. She would eventually recover. And in the days that followed, she would learn the full scale of what actually happened in Melbourne. Nearly 10 ,000 people had flooded the hospitals across Australia, complaining of the same symptoms that Jodi did.
12:43And unfortunately, of those 10 ,000, 10 people actually lost their lives. and many of them were totally healthy and had never had an asthma attack in their lives before. For Jodi, despite surviving this ordeal, the awful memory of what happened on that night will forever be on her mind. She is now all too aware of how fragile life can be and how quickly things can change.
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15:59The next and final story is called All in Their Heads.
16:15On a sunny afternoon in the summer of 1953, a young woman named An stood in the middle of a huge sugar cane grove in an isolated forest in Papua New Guinea. And around her were all her relatives and neighbors, and they were all there to mourn the loss of An's sister, whose name was Tan. She had passed away three days earlier from a very mysterious illness that people in An's village called Kuru. And in their language, the word Kuru meant trembling. Now, keep in mind, this particular mystery illness that was called Kuru only affected the people in An and Tan's village. This is like a hyper-specific illness that only happened inside of this little forest to these people.
16:55But An and the rest of the people in her village had seen this happen over and over and over again every year, and so they knew what happened when you got Kuru, because it was always the same. As soon as you began to tremble, that was kind of like the first sign, one year or so after that moment, you lose control of all the muscles in your body until you die. And so in Tan's case, so An's sister, she had watched this happen exactly as it did for everybody else that ever got this illness. She started with the tremors, and then before long she couldn't even stand up or walk around, and then finally her sister lost control of the muscles in her throat, and so she couldn't eat despite being hungry, and so ultimately she died of starvation, which is like one of the worst ways to die.
17:37It's incredibly slow and very, very painful. And so ever since Tan's death three days earlier, the village had been performing all these rituals and prayers in an attempt to assist Tan's spirit on its way into the afterlife. And this type of very involved funeral was absolutely customary in Ahn's culture. Ahn and her family and all of these villagers were members of the Foray people who were native to Papua New Guinea, which is an island just north of Australia. And in 1953, when the story is taking place, the 4A people numbered about 11 ,000 people. And remember, they live in a very isolated forest.
18:14They are basically cut off from the world for the most part. But they were beginning to fear that they were going to go extinct because of Kuru. Every year, the 4A people lost 200 people to Kuru. And for the most part, the victims were women, like disproportionately so, which made it even more likely that the 4A people would go extinct. because if you lose all the women, you can't have any more kids. And in fact, by 1953, so many women had died from Kuru that by this point, there were three times as many men as there were women. In fact, the leading cause of death for 4A women was Kuru. But the 4A people did not view Kuru as just an illness.
18:54They actually viewed it as a curse. In fact, that was completely accepted that that is exactly what it was. This is not like getting the cold. somebody did this to you, like a sorcerer somewhere, some unnamed sorcerer that's like coming into the forest is targeting these women and cursing them with Kuru. And so the 4A people put on these really elaborate funerals, mostly to ward off these dark magic sorcerers that were casting Kuru spells. And so the 4A people believed that if they just nailed the funeral procedure for somebody who has just died from Kuru, the kind of three day long, all these rituals and prayers they have to do, if the village is able to nail it perfectly, then the deceased, who's passed away from Kuru, so in this case, on Sister Tan, her spirit, as a result of this perfect funeral, would be able to kind of rise up and actually seek revenge on the sorcerer who killed the person.
19:47And so these funerals were basically like kind of taking the dead, rising their spirit, and sending them off to go kill the sorcerer. And so, Ann and the rest of her villagers, they went through this very elaborate process for Ann's sister, Tan, and at the end of it, they did feel like they had really nailed it, and so they felt confident that Tan's spirit was going to rise up and get her revenge.
20:14A few weeks after Ann's sister's funeral, Ann was standing over an open fire, and she was cooking some pork and sweet potatoes, and as she went to flip the meat over, she reached her hand out and she noticed her hand was trembling, which is the first sign of someone with Kuru. Now, Ann told herself that, oh no, I don't have Kuru. It's just because I was working really hard today and I'm tired. Like, that's all it is. But she knew deep down she may have been cursed.
20:44Ann did her best to kind of hide her trembling hands. However, after about a month from that first time she noticed her hand shaking, she noticed she wasn't really able to stand up without kind of losing her balance because her legs were starting to tremble. And finally, when she basically couldn't even stand up without assistance, this is again only one month after that first tremble, she knew she had Kuru. And An already knew that there was absolutely nothing anybody in her village could do to stop this from killing her. Kuru was a 100 % death sentence. And so if you got Kuru, it's like the whole village just began prepping for your death because they had to be ready to do this big ritualistic funeral.
21:24And so imagine that. You have this mystery illness or curse or whatever you want to think it is, and you're just counting down the days until you die. But for Ann, even though she had seen this happen so many times before and just kind of knew there's nothing she could do, she couldn't stand the idea of having this horrible, slow, painful death. And so she decided, you know what? I'm going to do something drastic that basically nobody else had done before who had Kuru. So for context, at this time, the 4A people had been totally isolated from other people in the world for thousands of years. They basically lived in this little part of Papua New Guinea in the forest, and nobody else contacted them.
22:03They were totally isolated. However, starting in the 1950s, some Australian colonists and researchers and police actually began kind of making their way in and around the 4A people's area. So they were making contact, albeit not necessarily direct contact, but the 4A people were seeing basically white people wandering around in and around their forest from time to time. And it was always very shocking when they would see these people because they dressed completely differently, they looked totally different. I mean, it's like two worlds totally colliding. And generally speaking, Anne and the rest of the people in her village, they did not like having these Australian people kind of wandering around.
22:42But An is thinking, you know, the people in my village, the 4A people, they have no solutions for me. So maybe these Australian people that have kind of popped up, maybe they have some answers about what I can do to stop myself from dying from this horrible curse. Keep in mind, by going out and seeking help from these outsiders, it was like An would be breaking a huge custom. This is so taboo for the 4A people. and very likely, even if she was able to find a solution from these outsiders, it's not clear if she would have been welcomed back into her village. And so this is a truly desperate measure she's taking, but she really felt like she had no choice.
23:21So, even as her body trembled from Kuru, An managed to stand up using a stick, and she began kind of hobbling her way quietly and discreetly out of her village, something that she really never did. And eventually, after hobbling her way out of sight of the Foray people, She began making her way through the woods, and she eventually came to a clearing where there was this house. And it was obvious, this is not a house that the 4A people have built. This is somebody from the outside who's built something kind of near where they were living. And so Ann wandered up to this house, not really sure what to do, but she went up and knocked on the door.
23:56And a second later, it opened up. And it's this Australian anthropologist named Ronald Burnt, who actually Ann had seen before. He had been coming through her village a couple of times, attempting to interview people to learn more about the 4A people. She knew that nobody wanted to talk to him, but, you know, she had seen him before. And so she was relieved. This is someone that I'm somewhat familiar with. And so as Ronald is staring back at her, and Ronald's pretty tall and skinny, he's got glasses on, he's dressed like a typical Australian in the 1950s, and he's looking at Ann, and Ann begins to try to tell him what's going on with her.
24:29And as she began to talk, the words she was saying were coming out all garbled, and she realized that the Kuru curse was now affecting her throat, the muscles in her neck, and she was not able to speak. But as it happened, Ronald, who was very familiar with the 4A people, he could tell, based on just the way she was acting and how desperate she looked, that very likely this woman was here because she believed she had Kuru. And Ronald, who had learned about Kuru after studying the 4A people, he had done some research on it, and he believed it was entirely psychosomatic, that this was not an actual illness.
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25:03Basically, he believed Kuru was acute hysteria, that these 4A people were just going crazy and convincing themselves that they had this illness. And I guess that kind of manifested their death a year later. And so Ronald interrupted Ann, who again is struggling to talk, and he was able to communicate to her in her language that you do not have Kuru, you are hysterical, this is in your head, and you should go now. And then he shut the door on her. And Ann had no idea what to do, she was embarrassed, She was terrified that maybe somebody from her village had seen her come out here. And so just trembling and feeling so alone and so scared, she turned around and just went back to her village.
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28:44Nine months later, Ann's condition had severely deteriorated. She basically was following exactly the process of every other person she had seen with Kuru. She had lost virtually all the control of her body, she could barely sip water, she was feeling absolutely horrible. I mean, she knew she was closing in on death, and she had not gone back out to try to get help from outsiders. That interaction with Ronald had kind of destroyed her hope, and so she did go back and just was kind of waiting to die, just like everybody else in her village did. But for An, the physical symptoms of Kuru that she was experiencing were undoubtedly terrible.
29:21But they were not as bad, at least to An, as the other side of Kuru. So in addition to referring to this curse as Kuru, which meant trembling, sometimes fore people would refer to this curse, this illness, as the laughing death. And it's because during the terminal stage, so the end stage of Kuru, when you're just about to die, you just begin laughing. It doesn't matter what you're thinking about. This is not an actual laugh. You're not thinking something's funny. It's like you could be weeping and totally depressed because you know you're going to die, but you keep hysterically laughing, which makes your whole body sore from constantly laughing over and over again.
29:58And Ann was beginning to experience that. She would be weeping and laughing at the same time. And think about this. Everybody else who's in the village, they know what this means. And so their preparations for her death are only getting more and more ramped up. They're getting ready for the big ritualistic funeral they're going to give to Ann. And so Ann, as she's hysterically laughing, is fully aware that everybody's just waiting for her to die. And finally, just a few weeks after she had begun the laughing side of Kuru, Ann would pass away, almost exactly one year from when she first noticed the trembling in her hand when she was cooking over that fire.
30:35After Ann's death, more and more people just kept on getting Kuru. and over the next seven years it was like clockwork. 200 plus 4A people died from Kuru every year and nobody had any idea how to stop it. It just became a part of their lives and again they kept getting closer and closer to being extinct. It was this really terrifying time.
31:03Seven years after Ahn's death, so in 1961, a medical anthropologist named Shirley Lindenbaum was sitting in her office at City University in New York reading over old scientific articles. And as she was just kind of flipping through them, she noticed there was an article from an Australian anthropologist named Ronald Burnt, the same guy who had turned on away and told her, no, you don't have Kuru, that's not real, it's psychosomatic. And in this article, Ronald outlined these symptoms, these symptoms that the foray people were exhibiting that obviously were not real. They had tremors, loss of muscle control, and huge mood swings.
31:40But Ronald was like, it's all in their head. It's not a real disease. But to Shirley, as she's reading this, she's thinking, why has Ronald decided this has to be psychosomatic? These symptoms seem like a real disease, like a neurological condition. Something must be attacking their brains, causing them to have these symptoms and then die. But when Shirley, just out of curiosity, began to do some additional research on the Kuru disease or whatever you want to call it, she discovered that there was basically no real research other than Ronald's about this weird illness. And so she decided, you know what, there's a gap in the research and I'm going to fill it.
32:19I'm going to figure out what's going on with the 4A people and this weird thing called Kuru. So the following summer, when Shirley finally had some time, she left New York and flew to Papua New Guinea, and she made her way into the forest to contact the Foray people. And eventually, she reached some of these small villages that contained Foray people, and the Foray people, even if they didn't necessarily embrace Shirley, many of them were open to at least speaking to her and talking about their culture, their customs, their history, and of course, talking about Kuru, this curse. And eventually, Shirley made her way into this one particular Foray village, where she actually saw a white man just walking around in this village.
32:59So he really stood out. And so immediately, Shirley walked up to this guy, and he introduced himself as Dr. Michael Alpers. And he told Shirley he had been living in these villages with the 4A people for several months because he was studying Kuru. He wanted to figure out, you know, what's actually causing it, because he also felt very skeptical at the idea that this is just psychosomatic. That did not seem very plausible. And so Shirley and Dr. Alpers were totally aligned, and they're like, hey, let's swap notes and do this together. And so Shirley began telling Dr. Alpers about what she had learned so far, and she said that when she showed up in Papua New Guinea, she believed what this was, what Kuru was, was a genetic brain disease, meaning it would be passed down from, you know, parent to child and so on and so forth.
33:44But she quickly discovered that after conducting research and talking to the 4A people in these villages, that that was not the case. This was not something that went from parent to child. Instead, Kuru appeared to spread amongst tight-knit social groups within these villages, which seemed to indicate this was actually a contagious disease, not a genetic one. And so she told Dr. Alpers that now her working theory was that Kuru was actually a contagious type of encephalitis, which is inflammation of the brain. But Shirley also said to Dr. Alpers that that did not explain why so many victims of Kuru were female.
34:21And Shirley also said to Dr. Alpers that, you know, I've been around loads of people with Kuru, and I don't have it, so how can it be contagious? Dr. Alpers agreed with everything Shirley was saying, and in fact had come to a similar conclusion himself, which meant he also had the same questions. Why only women, and why wasn't he getting it? But he told Shirley that when he began trying to answer this question, he discovered that actually in addition to lots of women getting Kuru, also lots of kids got Kuru. Not necessarily parent to child, but also children in these villages seem to be slightly more susceptible to getting Kuru than men.
34:58And in fact, Dr. Alpers told Shirley that right now there was a 12-year-old boy who was in the final stage of Kuru, so the laughing stage, the terminal stage, and because this boy's parents knew their son was going to die, They were so desperate and grief-stricken that when Dr. Alpers came by and offered to do an autopsy on their son when he passed to try to learn more, the parents agreed. Even though that meant totally breaking 4A custom. So this was like major taboo decision. But again, the 4A people are getting more and more desperate as they go closer and closer to the brink of extinction from Kuru.
35:37a few days later dr alpers found shirley and he told her that the 12 year old boy had passed away and so now it was time to conduct the autopsy and so he led shirley to a clearing in the woods that was kind of far away from the eyes of the villagers and there was a makeshift autopsy table with this boy's body on it and while shirley really could not stand to watch this actually happen, she did go over after Dr. Alpers had opened up the boy's skull, revealing his brain. And he yelled to her, hey, you have to come over here and look at this. And so Shirley walked over and she looked down. And even though she had not seen a human brain before right in front of her, she knew right away there's something terribly wrong with that brain.
36:19His brain was completely shriveled up and covered in holes as if like a worm had drilled through his brain. And so Shirley and Dr. Alpers immediately knew this brain has to be sent off for further testing, because something's happening here that's not psychosomatic. This is a real disease that is killing these people.
36:46About a year later, Shirley was back home in New York in her office when she received a letter from a research team at the United States National Institutes of Health, or NIH for short. And the NIH is one of the largest medical research facilities in the world. And it was where Shirley and Dr. Alpers had sent off that boy's brain for further study. And so by getting this letter, Shirley knew she was going to get information about whatever they discovered in this boy's brain. And so she ripped it open and pulled out the report and began reading. And the researchers said they'd spent the last year, you know, studying this brain tissue.
37:21And while they still didn't really understand how Kuru even happened and what caused it, you know, was it a virus or an infection? They didn't know, but they had discovered something about how Kuru spread. During one of their experiments, the NIH researchers had injected some tissue from this boy's brain into a chimpanzee, and very quickly, that chimpanzee developed Kuru. And so this told the researchers that yes, Kuru was contagious, and it spread through infected brain tissue. But how one person's infected brain got into another person's brain, was the big mystery, but at least they had found something.
37:59But as Shirley read this, because she had done all that research when she went into the forests of Papua New Guinea and spoke to all these 4A people, she had learned a lot about what they did on a day-to-day basis, and you know, what their various customs and rituals were, and she actually knew exactly how something like this could happen, something that only the 4A people were doing.
38:25During her research in Papua New Guinea, Shirley had learned that 4A people believe all humans have five distinct souls. There was that one soul that 4A people believed they could basically summon up out of a deceased person that would then go avenge that person's death. So think about how all those people who died from Kuru, you know, they believed that was a curse from some sorcerer, and so a big part of that funeral process was to call out that soul to go avenge their death, go find the sorcerer and kill them. But that was just one soul. There were four others. And of these four others, there was one called the Quila, which was the most dangerous.
39:03Quila meant flesh in the Foray people's language, and this soul was like a manifestation of death and decay, because that's what our flesh does. It just kind of gradually dies all the time. And so they looked at the flesh as being a really bad thing. And so they believed after someone died, their flesh needed to be stored properly. Otherwise, it would pollute the air and cause more death and decay for other people that were still alive. And the safest place, according to the 4A people, for the quila to be stored, so human flesh, was inside of a woman's body. And the reason for this is 4A people believe women's bodies are much more resilient than men's, and so if anybody could withstand holding Quila inside of them, it would be the women.
39:49But there was a very specific process that the 4A women had to follow in order to kind of put this Quila inside of themselves. And multiple 4A women had explained this totally bizarre process to Shirley when she was out there talking to the people in the village. The way it worked is a few days after a 4A member has passed away, this huge feast is prepared. Except the feast only consists of the quila. Basically, the person who is dead is chopped up and prepared by the women, like their entire body gets consumed. Now, keep in mind, anybody hearing about this who's not a member of the 4A people would be like, oh my god, that's horrible.
40:30but to Foray people, this ritualistic cannibalism was actually an act of love. The idea was, by having these women consume the quila, consuming the dead person, you're protecting the living because you don't want the quila out and about polluting the air, and you are respecting the dead. But remember, Kuru got spread through infected brain tissue, and it just so happened that during these funeral feasts, when they were consuming the quila, the brain of the deceased person was an absolute delicacy. And so the brain was reserved for close female relatives of the deceased person. And so during An's sister's funeral, so when Ton passed, what do you think An ate?
41:11She ate Ton's brain. And then also, critically, Shirley had learned that a lot of these women who were given the brain, this delicacy during these funerals, they would often sneak little pieces of the brain and hand it out to kids as like a little treat. They would take the brain and eat it. You know, nobody knew. That's why the kids were also getting Kuru. And so a few years after this incredible discovery by Shirley about how Kuru was being passed along, the Australian colonial government banned the practice of ritualistic cannibalism in Papua New Guinea. Basically, they were telling the 4A people to stop eating the dead.
41:48It's what's killing you. And the 4A people, who were very desperate to stop being killed by Kuru, they took to it, stopped eating each other, and so Kuru was virtually eradicated, and the 4A population, instead of sliding towards extinction, actually began to grow really fast, and today, the total population has at least doubled. And also, just to close this out, one final note is it took until 1990 to actually figure out what was going on inside of these people's bodies when they had Kuru. Because back in the 60s, when they figured out how not to get Kuru, nobody understood what was even happening.
42:25It was just like, don't eat other people and you'll be okay, but that's all they knew. And while the process in the human body that caused Kuru remained a mystery for many decades after Shirley's big discovery, in the 1990s, researchers did finally figure out what's actually going on. Basically, somebody with Kuru has these proteins in their brain called prions that fold wrong into the wrong shape and then cannot function properly. This loss of protein function rapidly kills brain cells, which in turn shrivels up the brain and causes all those holes all over it.
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