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Podcast Summary: My First Million - Episode 613: 6 Things I Learned From Not Drinking For 1 Year
Podcast Overview Hosts: Sam Parr and Shaan Puri Description: The hosts brainstorm new business ideas and discuss trends and opportunities. Occasionally, they invite notable guests to share insights and experiences.
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Episode Highlights In this episode, Sam Parr shares his transformative journey after giving up alcohol 11 years ago. He outlines six key lessons learned during this period that can be applied not only to sobriety but to anyone looking to make significant life changes.
Lesson Summaries
- Figure Out Your Why and Go All In
- Importance of understanding your motivation behind making a significant change.
- Sam's personal story of self-medication through alcohol due to anxiety.
- Realization of wanting to feel and not waste potential.
- Tell Your Friends
- The significance of vocalizing your struggles to friends for accountability and support.
- Sam’s experience of initially hiding his problem and the relief that came from sharing it with others.
- Emphasizes that discussing these issues normalizes them and mitigates embarrassment.
- Recreate Your Identity
- Adopting new labels for oneself can be empowering (e.g., identifying as sober rather than as an addict).
- Cites Robert Greene's idea of reinventing one’s identity as a powerful tool.
- Sam shares how he transitioned from being labeled as a party-goer to identifying as an athlete and fit person.
- Don’t Be Perfect, Just Mostly Good
- Acknowledgment that habits are transferred rather than eliminated entirely.
- Prioritizing improvement over perfection; Sam allowed himself indulgences like sugar as a coping mechanism initially.
- Encouragement to focus on gradual progress rather than immediate perfection.
- You’ll Attract More People
- Sam reflects on his concerns about not being appealing to others post-sobriety, particularly in dating.
- Found that being open about his journey and newfound confidence attracted like-minded individuals and improved social connections.
- His increased confidence created a positive feedback loop, enhancing his interactions and relationships.
- Find Inspiration - It’s Okay to Be Corny
- The importance of seeking inspiration through books, motivational content, and even “corny” practices (e.g., keeping a jar of pennies for each day of sobriety).
- Emphasizes that inspiration can serve as an essential motivator for pursuing change.
- Acknowledges the value of motivational figures and literature in shaping one's direction.
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Key Concepts
- Self-Medication & Anxiety: Recognizing the role of alcohol in masking deeper issues.
- Vulnerability as Strength: Sharing struggles can foster connections and support.
- Identity Transformation: The impact of self-identification on behavior and life choices.
- Progress over Perfection: Understanding that improvement is a journey, not a destination.
- Social Dynamics: Sobriety can enhance social interactions and relationships.
- Inspiration's Role: Finding motivation in unconventional ways can empower change.
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Conclusion Sam's reflections on his journey underscore that significant life changes, such as giving up alcohol, require introspection, honesty, and a supportive community. The lessons learned are universally applicable, encouraging listeners to embrace their challenges and pursue transformation with courage and vulnerability.
Additional Resources
- Sam's Initiatives:
- [Hampton](https://www.joinhampton.com/)
- [Ideation Bootcamp](https://www.ideationbootcamp.co/)
- [Copy That](https://copythat.com)
- [Hampton Wealth Survey](https://joinhampton.com/wealth)
- [Sam’s List](http://samslist.co/)
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Production Credits:
- HubSpot Original Podcast
- Production by Arie Desormeaux
- Editing by Ezra Bakker Trupiano
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Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:0011 years ago this month, I gave up alcohol. And in today's episode, I want to share some of the things that I've learned along the way. I feel like I can rule the world. I know I could be what I want to. I put my all in it like no day's off. On the road, let's travel. All right. 11 years ago, I gave up alcohol. And in today's episode, I want to share some of the things that I've learned since then. So the reason I'm doing this is at my one-year anniversary of giving up drinking, I wrote this blog post. You can Google it. It's called Six Things I Learned from Not Drinking for a Year. And today, I thought I'll recap that blog post.
0:36but also share some of the things that I didn't add to that blog post that have kind of come true in the last 10 years. And I'm sharing here on My First Million because I think a lot of people would enjoy this, but also because this isn't just about giving up alcohol. So it doesn't matter if you're giving up drinking or you want to give up drinking or you want to just create a new habit. I have found that these things that I've learned, they can apply to anyone trying to make a major life change. And so lesson number one, figure out your why and go all in on that. And so let me explain. So I started drinking in my late teens with just my friends, just like most people when they start doing it.
1:14But what I noticed was that it dulled my anxiety a ton. And I am a pretty anxious person. I don't know if you can tell if you listen to this podcast, I bet you can. But I have a fairly high anxiety. And I noticed that when I started drinking, my anxiety just like kind of went away. And so as I got more and more into drinking, I was just like, this feels awesome. I don't feel anxious. I'm going to keep doing it. So it was very much self-medication. And by the time I was like 21, I was super into alcohol to the point where probably ages 22 to 23, I was intoxicated basically 24 hours a day. I was drunk 24 hours a day.
1:54First thing in the morning, you start, you go all day and then you wake up a little drunk or a little hungover and just keep going. And so I realized one night, I was blowing it. I always felt I was special. I felt like I had this fire in me that I could do something interesting, but I was completely blowing it. And I felt I wanted to feel life because I didn't really feel a lot of emotions during that period because they were hidden. And so my reason was I wanted to feel life and I wanted to not ruin my potential. and so like funerals wedding celebrations meeting someone you like breaking up with that person i think i and many other people we would drink because for some reason we didn't want to face reality whether it's trauma you had or i'm not sure why other people experience it but you want to like cover it up and i'm not against alcohol and drugs for other people but for me it basically just like masked how I felt and I hated that.
2:52And then I realized that when I got sober, facing challenging situations, it felt like this massive adrenaline rush. I felt like so good about facing things that I previously was nervous about. So it took about six months after getting sober. But on month six, month seven, month eight, I noticed that I would face these challenging situations. For example, I was 23, 24 when I quit. And every single 23, 24-year-old guy, meeting girls is the number one focus in my life. And I noticed that when I was six, seven months in, at first, I was super nervous to go up and talk to a girl sober. But then I did it one time and I felt, oh my God, that was a rush.
3:33I got to feel that again. I got to feel that again. I got to feel it again. And I noticed that it happened with business. It happened with so many other facets of my life that I got to feel this extreme emotion that for a lot of sober people, it's probably just that's just how they feel. But it felt awesome. And so I felt like I was alive again. And so I actually loved like confrontation. I loved like nervous feelings because it felt like a rush to experience some of those things. And so it was important to lean into that. And I had to sit down for a minute and figure out why am I doing this? And I just always try to remind myself that.
4:06And I think that that's the case for any goal that you try to do when you change your life is you got to constantly remind yourself, why are you actually doing this? Lesson number two, tell your friends. So I originally tried giving up booze because I was in college and I was like, this is a problem. This is just a huge issue that I have. I was basically living by myself my senior year of college. And starting my sophomore year of school, it was like full blown an issue. And so I went two years like that. And I lived by myself, basically. So no one would know that I was screwed up. And I also had a hot dog stand.
4:46And that was my business I've talked about here a lot of times. The reason I had that business was you could own a hot dog stand and sell hot dogs from 11 to 3 and be intoxicated. And most people won't know because they just think that you're acting goofy. And so that's one of the reasons why I did it. And so I basically didn't tell anyone. And then the first time I got sober, I just went cold turkey. And I got super sick. A lot of people don't talk about this, but with alcohol, but I'm pretty sure there's only two drugs you can die from if you try to do it on your own. And you could have withdrawals and die.
5:15And that's alcohol and opioids. And so I got really sick like five days in to giving up booze. And I went to my college doctor and they like measured my blood pressure and they're like man your blood pressure is like through the roof what the hell is going on and i had to explain to them what the issue was and that was the first time that i ever vocalized it and so we had to go to the hospital that day and i had to tell the hospital that was an issue and it was like really embarrassing and i felt horrible about even like vocalizing that i remember i was like in tears practically i was like oh man i can't believe i just said that out loud but it definitely felt better but i didn't tell anyone once i got out of the hospital i still didn't mention it to anyone and then eventually after a few months, I was going to graduate college and I moved to San Francisco to try to make it in the internet world.
5:59And I relapsed because when I got out to San Francisco, I wanted to meet new friends. I wanted to impress these guys who I moved in with, even though I doubt they were impressed by drinking. I somehow felt I needed to impress them. And I was like, yeah, let's go party. Let's go do this. And then we went out and I got pressured and I caved in and I ended up drinking again. And then it took about another year of going crazy. And I eventually went to a homeless clinic in San Francisco. It was called the San Francisco South of Market Mental Clinic, I think is what it was called. It was for homeless people, pretty much.
6:33At the time, I had just left my job to start the hustle and I didn't have any income. And so I technically qualified to go to this homeless clinic. But in a weird way, I was like, I'm basically a bum. I deserve to be here. I'm ruining everything. I deserve to be with these other addicts. And I met this doctor named Jocelyn Porquez. I saw her up until recently, actually. She gave me this advice. She was like, you should tell your friends, tell your roommates that you're having an issue. I was so freaking afraid to do that. And so I kind of worked up the courage with her encouragement. And I eventually told my roommates and I was like, hey, guys, I've got a drinking issue.
7:14And so you can live your life the way you want to live your life. And I'm not going to judge you. I'm totally fine with you guys doing what you want to do. But from this point on, I'm sober and I'm not going to drink alcohol. And I would love it if you could encourage me. And I felt like the biggest weight lifted off my shoulders. And I noticed that when I felt that weight go away, it became so much easier. And so I had no problem after that telling a bunch of other friends. And a few of my friends at the time, they bailed on me. And I was bummed for a minute. And then I was like, you know what?
7:46If they're willing to bail on me over this, then fuck them. I don't want to be friends with those guys anyway. And it felt amazing. It felt so good to be able to talk about this with people. And I've talked to a bunch of other people who have struggled with this. And a common feature that people have when they're trying to break any type of addiction or a habit is they don't talk about it with people because they're embarrassed. and I have found that talking about it, it makes me not embarrassed because a lot of other people struggle with this stuff and it humanizes someone because I know that a lot of people listen to me and might look up to me.
8:19It's cool to help them, but I mostly do it for me. It's a selfish reason why I talk about it because it makes me feel better and it makes me feel like it's no big deal or it normalizes it. And so in my opinion, if you're trying to change a habit, whether it's addiction, when they're trying to start a business, I think that you should tell people. And the reason you should tell people is because of lesson number three, which is I think it's important to recreate your identity. So Robert Green is one of my favorite authors. He's got this awesome book called The 48 Laws of Power. And I remember reading it when I was trying to get sober.
8:53And I think it's like chapter 25. And he's got this chapter about recreating your identity. And he wrote the book in terms of how to gain power, which you could argue is or is not good, but it doesn't matter. The lesson though was awesome for me. And he gave examples of celebrities. For example, Lady Gaga. Lady Gaga was this fairly normal woman when she was 18 years old. And then she's like, I'm kind of quirky. I'm going to lean into this weird thing with my identity. I'm going to make my whole brand about it. And she became that person. And that is the Lady Gaga character. And I found that to be very empowering.
9:26And so I started changing my language to not I'm going to get sober, or I'm going to try and be sober, or I'm going to try not to drink to I am sober, I am an alcoholic. And I found that labeling to be powerful. I think a lot of people don't like to label themselves. Labels can be really bad for you if you do like I am depressed, or I am weak, or whatever it is. And so I just changed the label that I gave myself. And I found that that kind of was like the seed for recreating an identity. So my identity before getting sober was like, I've got a strong tolerance or I can be the life of the party or I just don't give a shit.
10:06I'm down for whatever. Like these stupid labels that I gave myself, I was still labeling myself. So instead, I decided I'm going to recreate my identity and I'm going to give myself the label of I am sober. And I have other examples of doing this. So for example, I'm going to talk about this in a second. But after giving up drinking, I totally got addicted to sugar. And I got pretty fat. And two or three years ago, I told Sean. I go, Sean, I'm now a fitness influencer. And if you go to my Instagram, you'll see all these old posts where it was silly. I was kind of being silly about it. But I was serious.
10:40I'm like, I am a fit person now. I am an athlete. And so I got super fit because I started working at it. but I labeled myself and labeling myself as an athlete or as someone who works out every day, I didn't want to ruin that label. And so I exercised every single day. And I think labeling yourself as a good person, a loyal person, as a business builder, as a force of nature, as a fitness freak, I think those labels are incredibly important because it makes sure that you recreate your identity. And I like to tell people that. And to this day, I still do that with a bunch of things. So for example, if I meet someone new, I'm not going to be like, yeah, I'm an alcoholic.
11:20I've got issues. But if they offer me a beverage or something, a beer, I just say, no, I don't drink because I like it too much. And they usually get the message. But I do like little subtle things like that, where it's kind of puts my foot down of I do not drink alcohol. And I felt this load lightened from my shoulders to like put it out there. But it put pressure on me to never break that because I didn't want to disappoint others and I didn't want to disappoint myself. And so I like recreating my identity and I like using labels. And I think it's really important. So whether you want to start a business, this is a business channel, we'll talk about business, whether you want to start a business and you're working somewhere, it's like, oh, I'm only working here temporarily, but I'm actually building a company right now because I'm an entrepreneur.
12:03I like labels. I think labels are incredibly effective. Lesson number four, I'm not trying to be perfect. I'm just trying to be mostly good. And I think that that is true for many things. Let me give you an example. So I read so many books when I was trying to get sober. I talked about the 48 Laws of Power. That was a great one. Mastery by Robert Greene. That was another good one. And then the third one was The Power of Habit. The takeaway for that book for me was that a habit doesn't go away. It just gets transferred. And so what that means is that when you want to change a habit, it's important to look at your loop.
12:44So usually there's some type of stimulus that makes you want to do something and then you react to it. And you typically do that over and over and over again. And that's how a habit is created. And so what I had to do when I was giving up booze was I had to look at what my behavior was and I had to break the pattern. And the pattern wasn't necessarily going to go away. It was just going to get transferred to something new. And so when I transferred my habit to something new, I was under doctor's supervision for this. And I told the doctor, I'm like, man, I'm trying to not drink. And I'm on day three.
13:20I am craving sugar so much. Because when you drink like I drink, like 30 beers a day, you're craving carbs constantly because that's a big part of alcohol. And the doctor was like, just go and eat M &Ms. Just eat M &Ms all day. Who cares? You can figure that out at a later date. But right now, the goal is not to be perfect and live a perfect life. It's just to be better than you were. And I thought that that was so relieving because I thought I had to be perfect as like, no, I'm making this massive life change. I can't screw anything up. And I was like, no, just improve this one thing and give into the sugar.
13:54And then at a later date, when you're confident that the alcohol thing is away and you're not craving it as much, we'll address the sugar thing another time. And so I did. I drank or I ate tons of M &Ms. That was my candy for a long time was peanut M &Ms. And I loved non-alcoholic beer. I drink so much O'Douls. I would drink like 15 to 20 O'Douls a day because I noticed when I craved beer, I just went and got an O'Douls. And that's a non-alcoholic beer if you don't live in America. It doesn't taste very good, but it was an awesome replacement. And I got pretty fat because of that. But I was okay.
14:30It was better to be fat and not on alcohol than whatever I was before, but drinking as much as I did. And then I transferred that habit from non-alcoholic beer and sugar. I've mostly have successfully transferred it to diet soda and carbonated drinks. So I drank a ton of like carbonated water like all day. And I love diet soda. And diet soda, you could say that's not good for you, but that's okay. I'm not trying to be perfect. I'm just trying to be mostly good.
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15:55Mercury is a financial technology company, not a bank. Check show notes for details. Now, lesson number five, being sober attracts more people. Like I said before, I was 23, 24, 25 when I went through this journey. I was single at the time. And what does every single guy care about? Meeting girls or mean whatever you're into but basically meeting someone uh and my number one fear i remember this when i was trying to get sober was what girls think about me i didn't want them to think i was like a freak at the time i was like oh what if they think i'm a freak what do they think like are they gonna think that i'm like religious what have they well which is done wrong being religious but i ain't and i was like are they gonna be turned off are they like not gonna be into me because I'm going to be boring.
16:44And I remember my first sober date, I was scared shitless. I was so afraid. And I decided to just tell her when we, uh, something, it came up. I don't remember how, uh, I think because I didn't order like a drink when she ordered a drink. She's like, Oh, you don't drink. And I was like, no, like I'm basically an alcoholic. And it's been like six months since I drank. And I remember she leaned in, like she like put her elbow on the table and like leaned in and I was like bingo she's interested what the hell that and I don't think you should do something like this for other people but at the time I was like I'll take any advantage that I can get and the fact that I was afraid to meet women and girls because I was an alcoholic and that their it made her maybe like more interested in me I was like I'll take a leg up anywhere I can get it.
17:37So I leaned into that. And I noticed that women liked me more, at least the right type of woman, the type of woman I wanted to attract. They liked me more because of that. And I've been married now for a long time. And so meeting girls is not in that way isn't actually something I care about anymore. But men were attracted to me more too. Like, because I had this newfound confidence, it felt as if I was walking around all day. And I remember, I used to think I've got a string attached to my back and I would try to pull it up. And so I would try to walk up like perfectly straight because I was like, wow, this whole drinking thing, it's changing my confidence.
18:15I'm going to lean into other things that create a real sense of confidence. So I started changing my posture and it was awesome. And what happened was that created this cycle of confidence where I was like, oh, I could do this without beer. I could do, I can meet a girl. I can go and start a business. I could do all these things. And it created this crazy cycle of confidence. I kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. And it was the best feeling on earth. Lesson number six, finding inspiration is 100 % worth it and helpful. And it's okay to be corny. So I remember when I was 24, I met this guy named Joe Garvey.
18:53Joe Garvey actually had a kind of an interesting business. It was called Clash. It stood for like the California League of Scavenger Hunts or something like that. And when I was trying to start my business, I didn't have any income coming in. And so I met Joe somehow through a friend of a friend. And he was like, man, I host these scavenger hunts for companies. They like pay me$10 ,000 and I do a scavenger hunt all over the city where you got to like go all over the city and find like certain things and it was a blast and he would let me work some of the scavenger hunts and he would pay me like 200 or something it was a big deal and at the end of a scavenger hunt you end at a bar and you drink and he would like be there being the life of the party he was this big uh he was a big tall guy and he was in the center like getting everyone to rile up and do all these like team building stuff but it was like cool and but it always involved alcohol and i remember after working with him he told me i don't remember how but i was like joe you don't drink he's like oh no like you know i had a problem i don't drink anymore i'm sober and i was like you can do that while being the life of the party that's insane to me how do you do that and like he had a ton of friends and women loved him and i was like you're the man you're my hero i can't believe you just admitted that you had a drinking from.
20:15And yet you're still like the man, people still like you and stuff. And I got so much inspiration from that. And it made me feel so good. So I started reading all these inspirational books, like the Tony Robbins of the world, all that stuff. I read it like crazy. I even had this jar. I had this jar where every day that I didn't drink, I would put a penny in. And then it was like every day that I exercised, I put a penny in. And then it turned into where I put three pennies in, if I didn't drink, if I exercised and I ate well, I would put a penny in. And my goal was to fill this jar all the way up.
20:51And I look back at that and I'm like, yeah, that was maybe a little corny, but it helped so much. And leaning into some of these cheesy things, it's really powerful. And I know a bunch of... Because of this podcast and because of my work, I know a bunch of quote, powerful people. I know a bunch of billionaires, people who sometimes many other people will look up to, a lot of them do this corny shit. And I still do it, by the way. We do it because inspiration is awesome. I was already a motivated person. I don't think you can make someone who's unmotivated, motivated. But I think you can inspire them.
21:32And inspiration is just having something to reach towards. Or it's reading something or consuming some type of point your car in the right direction. I always viewed myself as this fast car whose back tires were lifted in the air. And I had my foot on the gas and I was just flooring it, but I wasn't going anywhere. And that was my motivation. I was already a motivated person. My wheels were moving quickly, but I had to let the tires on the ground and I had to be pointed in the right direction. And that's what I use inspirational stuff for. So a lot of these cheesy movies where it's like a guy doing something that's totally unrealistic but it makes me feel good or reading the Tony Robbins books reading a lot of these books that I will definitely make fun of now which by the way I still read it made me feel so much better and gave me inspiration and I think it's important to lean into that whether you're starting a business or whatever you're doing because dude it's scary like giving up alcohol starting a business meeting a girl trying to approach a woman who you who you like moving to a new place it's scary and you need every advantage that you can get in order to like get over that hump and to actually make these things uh become a reality and so like lean into some of that stuff there's a lot of like really good inspirational stuff um out there sometimes it's my first million this podcast but I think it's cool to like consume a lot of that information because that rubs off on you and you need any advantage you can get in order to get ahead and to accomplish whatever it is you want to accomplish it's still like a little uncomfortable for me to talk about some of this stuff but I do it because it definitely makes me feel better and I acknowledge that I think it will make a lot of you guys feel better if you're trying to achieve anything whether it's giving up booze start a business do whatever um at the end of the day this is all about like getting over your fear i think it's it's about how to uh kind of jump off a cliff and um there's a reason i have this horrible tattoo i'm not going to show it right now but on my feet on my left and right feet i've got the word act and on the right foot i have now it's a homemade tattoo when i was getting sober i like used a needle and i like tattooed my feet because like i said i like inspirational stuff.
23:59But I think that this podcast hopefully is a little bit of inspiration, but also practical ways that I can get you guys to act now and to change whatever it is you want to change. I'll be in the comments on YouTube, whether you're listening to this on YouTube or a podcast app, but go to our YouTube page, My First Million, and comment on this video. And I'll try to reply to a bunch of them. But if you are struggling with something, say what it is you're struggling with and what you're going to do to approach it and get over it. Because I think it feels good to put that stuff on paper. Like I said, it feels good to label yourself about what you are now versus what you were.
24:35But let me know in the YouTube comments what you think about this. And that's the pot. I feel like I can rule the world. I know I could be what I want to. I put my all in it like no days off. On the road, let's travel, never looking back.
24:55Hey, let's take a quick break because there's a quote that I love. I want to read you. It's that we shape our tools and thereafter they shape us. And you know, as an entrepreneur, if you're using a bank that was built in the nineties, you're operating like you're in the nineties. And trust me, I've been there clunky portals, random holds on your money,$50 wire fees, and then being told, please visit your local branch. Well, that's why I switched to a different type of banking solution, Mercury. It turns your financial chores into a smooth workflow. You can do wires, invoices, cards, reimbursements, two clicks, and I'm done.
25:25If you're already using Mercury, respect. If you're still using one of the old big banks, I got questions for you. So go visit mercury.com and give it a test drive. Mercury is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services are provided through Choice Financial Group, Column N.A., and Evolve Bank & Trust members FDIC.
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Episode 613: Sam Parr ( https://x.com/theSamParr ) talk to about the giving up drinking 11 years ago and the lessons he learned for anyone wanting to make a major change in their life.
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Show Notes:
(0:00) Intro
(1:00) Lesson 1: Figure out your why and go all in on that.
(4:14) Lesson 2: Tell your friends
(8:40) Lesson 3: Recreate your identity.
(13:00) Lesson 4: Don’t be perfect, just mostly good.
(15:50) Lesson 5: You’ll attract more people.
(18:26) Lesson 6. Find inspiration. (It’s ok to be corny)
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• Hampton - https://www.joinhampton.com/
• Ideation Bootcamp - https://www.ideationbootcamp.co/
• Copy That - https://copythat.com
• Hampton Wealth Survey - https://joinhampton.com/wealth
• Sam’s List - http://samslist.co/
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