How to find your thing

21:13Sam Parr:So don't just create content, you create content that converts. Check out HubSpot.com, the agentic customer platform for growing businesses. All right, so my phrase for this is you want to find a loop that you love. All right, what's a loop? So the loop is basically like I can kind of break down any job into a pretty repeatable loop. So I'll give you an example. The healer loop. This is a doctor or therapist. It's someone comes to you in pain. You diagnose the root issue of the pain. You prescribe some solution. And you hopefully send them back out with less pain. That's your loop. If you're a doctor or a therapist, you're going to do that tens of thousands of times.

21:53And so I remember when I was in college, I took the MCATs. I thought I was going to go be a doctor. Specifically, I knew what I wanted. I knew my passion was to be in sports medicine, to be an orthopedic surgeon. And I went and I actually, before I went to med school, I spent two weeks shadowing a guy who did the exact dream job I wanted. He was an orthopedic surgeon for an NFL team, plus, you know, had his own practice. Wow, it doesn't get any better than this. and I go in and I realized the loop that he was doing, which was basically somebody comes to you in chronic pain. You say some version of like, well, that's just, it is what it is.

22:28You don't have any cartilage left in that shoulder or that knee or it's damaged or it's ruptured. And we're going to try our best to do surgery or to give you an injection, a steroid. But like, it's never going to be the same as it was. And you'll never change your behavior. I'll do pain management for you and like, I'll send you back on your way better than you were when you came in here, but much worse than you want to be. And that was what he did every single day. And he'd been doing that for 40 years. I realized that is not a loop I love. It is extremely low creativity. You see people suffering all day and more power to him.

23:02He loved doing it. I didn't, I felt tired at the end of every day of like, oh my God, just emotionally tired of dealing with suffering all day. And I was like, do I have to do this just because I've been saying this since I was 14? Because I don't know, it sounded good to my parents or something. I'm not sure where even where this came from. But like this idea of a loop, I think is really important. So for example, the founder loop is you see the world as it is, some status quo of an industry, of a situation. You imagine it better. What if we did this instead? You build a product, you sell the product, and then you build the team that will build the product and sell the product.

23:35That's the loop you're going to do as a founder on the whole and on the daily basis, it's going to be mostly, initially it's a building loop, then it's a selling loop, and then it's a building the team loop. and that's what you're going to do for the rest of time. So like, do you like that? And so there's many of these. A farmer has a loop, right? It goes with the seasons. You plant the seeds, you water them, then it grows and then you reap what you sowed, right? And like, that's the loop you're going to do and you're going to do that every year for 25 years. So I think the key to life, if I was telling that kid who walked up to us at the restaurant is, assume right now you don't know what it is, but know what you're looking for.

24:12You're looking for the blisters that you enjoy and that will come from doing this loop thousands of times. And you don't have to know upfront you would like to do it thousands of times. Just to see, are you interested in doing it once, twice? Do you have an enthusiasm towards doing this? And then as you do it, you have to ask yourself, like, is this something I feel myself doing, you know, like more and more and more? I don't feel tired doing this. I feel so, I get energy doing this. Yeah, there's some pain, there's some suffering, there's some difficulty. I'm not saying it's without that, but find the loop that you love.

24:40And so for me, you know, I stumbled onto it when I was basically 30 years old, which was this podcast. It's like, oh, I'm not, the founder loop is okay. But the one I really love is I'm doing life and I get to be curious about something. Then I go dig in. Then I take the top 1 % of what I found and I enthusiastically share it with like-minded people. And I like that they like it. And then I go and do it again the next day. And whether I'm writing books or I'm doing the podcast or it's my YouTube channel, it doesn't matter which way I do it. That's the loop I love. And I've now been doing this podcast, what, six years?

25:12Something like that. and I'm fresh, fresh as a daisy. You know, it's like I could keep going. And not everybody, other people could do this exact same loop and they would be totally burnt out and they would hate it.

25:22Sam Parr:Let's get really practical advice for that guy. But let me ask you something first. Have you read this book? I read this, I think five years ago. I told you about it when I read it. It's called The Top Five Regrets of the Dying. I didn't know this is a book. I've heard the story. Some researcher went and talked to people in hospice, right? Is that the story? I think it's worth the read, but it's one of these books. I can tell you the five points, and that's definitely a lot of it. It's worth the read. But basically, I forget how many people she worked with, but it was a woman who worked in a hospice for decades.

25:54Sam Parr:And I think it was potentially 10 ,000 people, but for sure thousands of people who she— Oh, so she's not a researcher. She actually just worked there. She was a nurse. Yeah, so she was a nurse. I think she—yeah, she was a nurse. This was her occupation. And she saw thousands of people die. and she wrote this book called The Top Five Regrets of the Dying, where she put together a list of the five things that were most common amongst the people she worked with. And I don't believe this book is scientific. It's purely observational. But her number, I can tell you all five of them. But the number one regret by a huge margin was, I wish I had the courage to live a life true to myself, not the life others expected of me.

26:34Sam Parr:That was the number one regret by a huge margin when she like tallied this up. And then basically this idea is that they would spend too long and they didn't realize until the end of their life that they were living a life that other people, that they thought other people should want them to live, not versus what they really wanted to live. Now, listen to the rest, because the third one is actually related to the first one. The second one was, I wish I hadn't worked so hard. Now, this was the majority men who said, I missed this game, I wasn't around for X, Y, and Z. and they had massive regret around that.

27:09Sam Parr:The third thing was, I wish I had the courage to express my feelings. So it was people who suppress themselves and they wish that they had the courage to say X, Y, and Z to someone they loved or a friend. And it also was when they were conflicted with someone and they had arguments with someone and they're like, I wish I had the courage to say, I don't agree with you. Can we please hash this out? But it's related to number one, which is living the life that you want to live versus what you think you should. The fourth one was, I wish I'd stayed in touch with my friends. Specifically, this is for old friends.

27:41Sam Parr:Dying patients tried to track down in their final weeks a lot of buddies who they had, but they couldn't find them and they had huge regrets. And the last one was, I wish I had let myself be happier. And this idea is that happiness is a choice that people didn't realize that they could make. And they stayed in comfortable patterns and they pretended to others and themselves that they were content and they feared change right up until change was forced upon them. And so this book is really good. and I should actually go and reread it because telling the summary, it kind of excites me because I did feel, it felt awesome reading this in a very weird way.

28:13Sam Parr:But there's this man I told you about, this 96-year-old man in my building who I go and talk with all the time. And Gary Vaynerchuk has said this all the time that he likes to go to talk to old people. But I think reading this book is very similar to the joy I get. I'm basically, to the listener, I'm friends with a 96-year-old in my building and he tells me all these types of stories and I leave feeling better. Part of the reason why you enjoy reading this is because you think you have wisdom, but also I can kind of learn from your mistakes, which is a little bit of a morbid way to look at it, but it's still a useful way to look at it.

28:43Sam Parr:And so I think that this book is a really good book for anyone to read when they're asking themselves if they should follow their passion. Because the answer is almost always like yes, but I would argue that the answer is you should follow your passion, but your passion doesn't need to be your job. I've seen so many people that have made that mistake where they thought following their passion was following that as a career. And I think that actually can be a massive, massive mistake. And so for anyone listening to this, I don't think, and this includes us, this includes what you see on Instagram, I don't think you should necessarily go start a business.

29:18Sam Parr:I don't think you should quit your job and do X, Y, and Z. If you do want to do that, I think try it. But you should probably save up 6 to 12 months of expenses. And life is a lot better when you have financial security because money may not make you happy, but a lack of money certainly will make you unhappy. And I've seen so many people that have followed their passion and it was a, because following your passion oftentimes means creative pursuits, artists, things like that. You don't really make a good living in any of those things. And I think there's nothing wrong with having your passion be your hobby.

29:50I disagree with one part of what you said, which was like, you don't have to make your passion your work. I get what you mean, which is like, it can be your hobby. But I would say probably the default mode, Would you accept that most people are not lit up by what they do for work?

30:08Sam Parr:Yeah, most people are not. Right. Most people don't get excited about Mondays. They don't wake up sort of tap dancing into work. According to Bill Gurley's book, 70 % of people do not like how they spend their days. Right. And I think in that book, he makes a point, which is like, you know, 24 hours in a day, you sleep eight, that leaves 16, you work eight. So half your waking hours. Essentially, half of your conscious life, once you become of working age, you're going to spend at your job. And so doesn't it make sense to find the one that you like to do, that you actually enjoy? Because it's half of your life experience is going to be spent that once you're of working age, once you're sort of in that 20 to 65 range.

30:53So I would say way too many people accept it is what it is. on something that's too, to me, I'm like way too important to not accept that. Now, obviously, like you're right that like not everybody sort of figures it out or makes it or whatever, but it's, I don't know. To me, it still seems like the, you know, the quest you should go on, you know, the fight worth fighting for is like to fight for that, to fight till you get that, to fight till you figure it out.

31:19Sam Parr:But what I'm saying is that it's a lot, oftentimes that answer is not entrepreneurship and it is having a job that you love. Yeah, yeah, totally. That's what I mean. Yeah, totally. I don't think it's entrepreneurship at all. I have even said, for me, it wasn't entrepreneurship. And I was an entrepreneur. That's what I thought my job was for a long time. I think it's finding that loop that you love. If that loop is as a salesman or a marketer or a connector or whatever it may be, there's many different loops. But figuring out one that actually gives you a lot of energy and makes you feel alive, I think, is worth doing.

31:50I want to leave you with one quote that was said on this podcast. Isaac French came on. and he was here to talk about his Airbnb like business where he built this like a little seven cabin Airbnb business and sold it for seven, eight million bucks. I get some cool business like that. But he said this phrase, I don't remember much about the Airbnb thing, but he said this one phrase or a quote, which was light yourself on fire and people will come from many miles away to watch you burn. I just thought like there's something poetic about the way he said it. And I do think there's a test of like, could that be used to describe what I'm doing?

32:27Right? Like it's not a literal thing, but it's almost like that's what level 10 looks like. Now you might not be a 10, but let's agree that somebody who's really lit up by what they're doing, that's kind of how it would feel is that they've just decided, they've lit themselves on fire with passion and now people will come from many miles away to watch them burn. I would say that kind of describes in a visual format what that's supposed to look like.

32:52Sam Parr:I think that's a great quote. So Isaac's the man. And I want to say that this is really hard. For example, you know one of the best ways to kill passion? Sometimes I like to apartment shop. I don't intend on buying an apartment anytime soon. But on Sunday, I looked at an$18 million apartment because it was in my building and it was the penthouse and it was fancy and shit. And I wanted to go look at it. And there was many other people there. And I went from I'm happy to I need more. I'm not a doubt. I need more. I need more. I need to do more podcasts. Screw fashion. You came back down the elevator to your shithole.

33:30Sam Parr:Oh my gosh. Your former loving home, now shithole. Have you ever done that? Have you ever done real life Zillow? Where you just like go and like, I always like, I'll tell my parents like, oh, I'm looking at an apartment. And they're like, you're looking at that apartment? I'm like, the word looking, I need a different word. I am, I'm flipping through a catalog and that's happened, like that happens to be there. I'm not actually going to buy this apartment. and that's like the easiest way to like start like you know comparisons the thief of joy that is a way to kill the passion and so i think it's really challenging to fight internal rewards versus external rewards and i and what we have just said sounds really great and what isaac said is really great but i also want to acknowledge it's incredibly challenging to pull off my analogy is this i took my kids to the airport and you know how you have to take those like airport trams like the little like the i don't know why we're at an airport but we're taking a train inside the airport from like one part to another.

34:22And my kids had never done this before. So they get on, they're super excited. Oh, we're on like a train. And I'm like, hey, grab the bar. And they're like, why? Because the train hasn't moved yet. They're like, what do you mean? I'm fine. I'm like, no, no, hold onto this. It's about to go. And they're like, no, no, I just want to balance. This is going to be fun. And I was like, all right. Train starts, 30 pound daughter goes flying into someone's suitcase right away gets rocked by the world. And I would say like a lot of advice that falls into this kind of easier said than done bucket is really like, it's the internal soul equivalent of holding onto the pole.

35:00Cause trust me, this world's about to rock you. And if you're not holding onto this, you stand no chance. You will go flying into that man's suitcase right now. And so like the idea of like, yeah, you, you do want to figure out, uh, you know, what lights you up, what makes you feel alive, not what sounds good to others. You do want to figure out an internal reward and a scorecard so that you're not going to the$18 million penthouse and feeling like you need more when you walk out of there. And so it's like you need all this generic cliche goddamn advice because it's the equivalent of the pole to hold on to.

35:32If you don't have it, you're going to go, you're just going to get whiplashed by the world. You're just going to constantly be whiplashed. And holding it, you know, you're still going to feel it when the train jerks you around. But like, now Now, Matt, that's to me the metaphor of how this grounded advice plays into daily life, which is going to whip you around.

35:51Sam Parr:I call it braces money. I had a friend that had this amazing job. And he was like, I used to just sail. He was like, I was like a$30 ,000 millionaire. I would save up 30 grand and then go and sail. And then he's like, I had a kid and I realized I wanted to buy them braces because that was my passion, more so than sailing. And so I got this really great job so I could have braces money because I realize I'm passionate about that as well, not just sailing.

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37:28The first is name the blisters. So it's really easy when you go into something to just only focus on the outcome. It's like, oh yeah, I'm going to go, I'm going to start working out because I really want to be in shape. I really want to be fit. I want to be, I want to have, you know, a six pack. Okay, cool. I want to be jacked. Name the blisters. The blisters is I'm going to be waking up at this time. I'm going to be going to gym on days that I don't even feel like it. I'm going to have to push myself when I'm there. I'm not going to be looking at my phone. I'm going to be pushing myself till failure on a bunch of different sets.

37:57I'm going to have to, you know, watch what I eat. I'm going to have to, right? So you have to like, it's the blisters that decide whether you're going to like it or not, much more so than the rewards. And so figure out when you're looking at what loop I like, like just the blisters are actually pretty obvious. You can actually know what they are and you decide if you're good with those or not. So that's the first thing, be upfront about those. The second is there's a great art of noticing. So you have to learn to notice in yourself where you have some weird, irrational, disproportionate enthusiasm, or where you're willing to go further than most people or the mastery that you're enjoying picking up and what that mastery actually is because it doesn't always have a really clean label that other people have told you about.

38:39And also that sometimes other people will notice it for you. I'll give you two examples. Naval, who's somebody I think we both kind of admire, he tells a story about when he was a kid, he thought being a scientist was what he was going to be. He thought scientists were the highest calling. They were the truth seekers. They were the ones who invented things. That's what he wanted to do. and his mom was like, oh, I don't know. I think you're going to be a businessman. He's like, businessman? I never said anything about businessmen. She's like, you never said it, but you're always doing it. He says, what?

39:05She goes, yeah, like every time we walk in that pizza shop, you tell me how they're doing this, this and this wrong, right? They should be doing this instead. What this company should do instead. And she's like, I think that's just how your mind actually works. And he's like, she spotted it when I couldn't. And I don't know if you saw Adam Newman from WeWork went on Rick Rubin's podcast. A bunch of people are saying -

39:24Sam Parr:Yeah, but you, Austin Reif, who I think told you or you saw his thing. Austin kept saying it's like one of the greatest. He's like, Adam gets a lot of hate, but he is really worth listening to here. Yeah. Austin was the one who was like, kept talking about it. He's like, dude, he's a master storyteller. He's like, I can't believe you're not more obsessed with him. And I was like, what? What kind of reverse neg? Okay, I'm interested. So I watched it. He tells a story about WeWork where he actually was working on a kid's clothing brand before WeWork and it wasn't working. He was failing at it. And he's asking, I think his girlfriend at the time, well, what do you think I should do?

39:58And she's like, real estate. And he's like, I've never done real estate. Where'd that come from? Random. I've never done anything in real estate. She goes, I think you should do real estate because whenever we're walking on the street, she goes, a man's eyes can go in many places walking down the street in New York. You can look at the woman who just passed you. You can look at the dogs. You can look at many things, the food. You can look at all types of things. Your eyes go up. You're always looking at the buildings and what's in these buildings and how they work and what this building could be for, not what it is for.

40:30She goes, I think you should be in real estate. And like, okay, this, honestly, the story sounds a little bit like reverse engineer.

40:36Sam Parr:Dude, I have heard, no, I have heard, I think her name's Rebecca. The wife is Rebecca Newman. I have heard five to 10, and the Newmans are storytellers, so it could all be fake. I have heard five stories about Rebecca being the one, you know, whatever they say, like behind every successful man is like a woman like pushing them. I have heard like five stories of her being like the Adam Whisperer and like pointing him in the direction. Adam would be great. I would like to have her on. Yeah, everyone needs a Rebecca in their lives. That's awesome. And what did you learn from the pod? You know, my wife has never listened to this podcast.

41:11Isn't that hilarious?

41:13Sam Parr:You want to talk shit? Say something bad about it right now. It's my safe space. This is the only place I can say anything. I know she'll never find it. Yeah, talk trash about it right now. what else you got do you want to talk about anything else no i do but i don't think it i i think we're good here we have we have to have this one has to have a clean slate um this is pretty cool what's the kid's name who you talk to the young guys who you talk to douglas so douglas this one was for you um can i tell you about my trip to austin real quick before you just we can cut this out whatever but one of the this is going to sound like you know you guys can make fun of me for being cringe.

41:51Sam Parr:Austin is MFM Mecca. Did you get eyeballed like a ton? Yeah, a little bit. A little bit for sure. Yeah. I wasn't there for long. I was only there for like a day and a half. But so many of our peers are there. It's like our... It's crazy. You know, I feel like every 30-something-year-old who's into some version of like startups, media, or e-commerce or whatever is there for some reason. And it's easy to get around. It's pretty cool, right? I went to, so I went and I did the, I did Chris's show, which is kind of like going to the penthouse in your building or whatever. It's like, oh yeah, this great podcast.

42:29And it's like, then you go to the eighth biggest podcast in the world. And he went on Rogan and he's like, I went on the best, the number one podcast in the world. Right. So it's like envy all the way up.

42:40Sam Parr:But does Rogan, did he mention it? When Rogan's, are you entering in this epic center or is it low-key, relaxed type of setup? I didn't ask him a ton about it. I think it is kind of what you see and that Rogan is kind of what you see as well. I think it's pretty aligned. I don't think there's a big facade that's there, either in the set or anything else. But I also visited Cody Sanchez's office and we hung out for a little bit. and it was so interesting. I think it's kind of related to what we were just talking about, about like, you know, you want to experiment for yourself, but a faster way is to just take a quick Costco sample of what other people are doing.

43:22Her office is cool, right? Well, she just moved into a brand new office. I mean, yeah, it's cool, but it was also like, it was on one hand, very impressive and cool for her. You could walk in, there's an energy, there's 65 people sitting there. I'm like, what's going on? What's happening? here. And so there, you know, you walk, oh, we're the sales team. We're the content team. There's just like rows of dudes with headphones on just trimming shorts of her, of her videos, clips of her videos for like Instagram. It's an operation. It's a full operation, right? She is the brand. And at the same time, as impressive as it was, it was also like a very clear signal to my gut, right?

44:01Like I actually am practicing this idea of like, how do you talk to your gut and bypass the head altogether. And one way is you just go immerse yourself in an environment. Your gut will tell you like, yeah, yeah, yeah, more of this or no, no, no, more, less of this. And so this works with people when you like trust your gut with people of like, I just like this guy or like something off about this person. I don't trust him for some reason. And there's the same thing for like figuring out what you like and what you don't like, what you want more of in your life, what you want less of. When I walked in, I was like, wow, this is really impressive.

44:30Also, note to self, I definitely don't want a buzzing office and 70 people to deal with than 70 people's like, I don't want that scale. I don't want headcount. Like headcount is something I'm actually like against. I'm looking for low aggravation and I'm looking for like kind of high flow state, low management state of how I want to spend my days.

44:54Sam Parr:But that's her flow state, by the way. She loves that. I'm very close to Cody forever. She loves that. Everybody has a different one, right? Like you have to know what yours is. I know I can only speak what I know. And so you go to each one and same thing like, you know, Chris's, I picked up some like, another example would be look for things. So what are you sampling? You're looking for things that right in your gut, you say more, more, more or less, less, less. The second one was, where is somebody who I respect doing something I've just written off in the past? I just thought, eh, not for me or not good or not worth it or not whatever, right?

45:27Like Chris does a live tour for his podcast. We've done a couple of live shows and I think we both, or at least. Like it's like,

45:33Sam Parr:it was like, it's okay. it's okay I don't need more of that it felt good it felt amazing but it was a lot of pressure and live podcasts don't in my opinion have not translated often times when I've done them and when I see them right but you know here's a smart talented guy who I respect and he's clearly doing it so I was like what do you know about like why are you doing this what do you know about this that I seem to not know what did you catch that I seem to have missed he's also a young single guy who like it's like literally would be like a rock star lifestyle if he chose it to be that way.

46:07But I'm looking to validate it. Is that like, because that's the reason I don't, right? Is I don't want to like travel so much with little kids or whatever. But I'm, you know, you do do things. I did travel to Austin, right? You do do things if there's enough motivation to do them. So I'm kind of looking for like, you know, that guy to sit down on the campus and like tell me to change my mind type of thing. Like I'm actually trying to change my mind. I actually want to find, falsify some assumption that I have. Like I talked to this dude who was in Ecom. His name is Zach. And he just actually came out.

46:36He just announced what his company is. It's like, he told me on the phone. He's like, yeah, I have this like, you know, $100 million run rate supplement brand. I was like, what? I never, I didn't even know you were doing that. I thought you had an agency and a socks.

46:47Sam Parr:Are you talking about, is this Finn? No, it's something called like men go to Mars or something like that. I don't know what it is. Something Mars is in the name. Zach's duck is his name. So he's like, yeah, dude, I built this brand. In two years, we're at 100 million in run rate. I think it's like an alternative to testosterone boosting brand. So you take like fucking like Tongali and Ashwagandha and stuff like that. I think that's the idea. Do you see it? Yeah. Men go to Mars and it's the most potent and natural testosterone stack on Earth. Dude, when you use the word stack, I get all fired up.

47:23Why don't we just describe our podcast that way? Us founders acquired. It's the most potent stack of testosterone boosting for founders.

47:31Sam Parr:It's to make your body, your mind, and your wallet better with this stack. Does this work? Should I take these? I mean, should I put this in my body? I'm taking this stack. He's like, bro, those are gummies. You can't eat a stack of gummies. But he was telling me how great e-com is. I was like, bro, I'm trying to run away from e-com. And I was like, but what do you know about e-com? What do you know that I don't? He's like, well, I just think with AI, like having businesses that have real world products is like way more defensible. All the digital shit is just like a race to the bottom if you're digital only.

48:05You know, that seems indefensible, but like still having like a supply chain and a physical product that's on shelves that gets into people's hands. Like that's something AI is not going to be able to just do. Plus we get the benefits of AI that we're going to like, we're going to go from maybe 15 % margins to 25 % margins if AI gives us this productivity boost. So I think he comes a great place to be. And I was like, I think you might be right. I'm pretty convincing. I really have no counterpoints. You know, I fold. I think this thing that I've been telling myself for seven years might no longer be true.

48:36And I should revisit that assumption.

48:38Sam Parr:Yeah, you're also not selling supplements. That seems like the game. Dude, that is the game. That seems like absolutely the game. I think you called it a long time ago. Dog supplements are really the best ones because how the hell are you going to know? On the back of the label. Because who knows?

48:58Sam Parr:It's just the middle finger. It says we're not required. Studies show nothing. We couldn't tell. I think I want to put this stack in my body. I think I'm into it. What do you do to make yourself feel like your testosterone is going up? Forget the numbers. What do you do in life to make yourself feel that? Just yell in traffic. lift weights and lose fat. I mean, yeah, that's what you do and eat red meat, right? If you're eating like - I feel like you have some niche ones too that you do. I don't know what they are, but I just, my spidey sense is tiggling. A lot of people think that if you eat wild animals like versus fat cows, that it's some powerful stuff and you get all hyped up.

49:44Sam Parr:But it's just what you think it is, is just lifting weights and losing fat and that kind of does the trick. Are you still sparring? Do you still fight at all? i i got really into boxing and i loved it i got hit in the head a couple times that i had a headache for like seven days and i was like i think i should chill um but it was awesome sparring was our sparring session dude it it was it was that footage was it fun oh dude it's super fun the footage i'm sure will be just absolutely comical it was fun it's fun and like when we sparred it It was just like, you didn't get hurt at all, right? You just want to scare me.

50:24Sam Parr:You went so easy on me. Honestly, honestly, that was the closest. I don't know if we've hugged, but that was the hug. It was like a man hug. I felt so taken care of. I was like, Sam is really taking care of me right now. He's giving me just enough where I get to feel good in this, and he's doing none of the stuff that's going to make me feel terrible by just whooping my ass here. This is really nice. I really felt very taken care of. Thank you. It's fun to have someone like in your face and you're like, oh, this is what it feels like to get rattled a little bit. I think that definitely could help your testosterone go up for sure.

50:56Sam Parr:But no, I mean, the good stuff comes in syringes, if we're being honest. But a bottle that I could buy on the internet that's called a stack, that might also be good. So we'll have to give that a go. Did I ever tell you, I think after we had this process, I came home and I was like, I'm going to do this. And I went on Craigslist and I found a trainer. Didn't you say he showed up in Timberlands? Yeah, he showed up in Timberlands and jeans and like a huge set of keys, like a janitor ring of keys. And he was basically like a handyman. But he had hands. But he trained with the Diaz brothers in Stockton.

51:32He trained at their gym. And so he would leg kick me with fucking Timberlands. The worst, dude. Just to show me. He wasn't like hurting me. But oh my God, it was the most brutal workouts. It only lasted seven days. I'm just glad I didn't quit. He disappeared. He ghosted. Like he just, like his phone line disconnected. He's just gone. I don't know what happened to this guy. But it was the hardest seven days of training. And I'm glad I at least experienced it so that I know what the real thing is. I'm like, oh, that's what it looks like when you're not in a safe environment when you're training.

52:06Sam Parr:It's fun to get there. And then whenever you, I just box because the kicks are scary. When our friend Ramon would kick, he would kick, like I would wear all the pads and it hurt so bad. still. I do not understand the kicks. The kicks are insane to me. But I think boxing is definitely good. I think it's really fun. Okay. Is that it? Is that it? So who's the guy's name? Douglas? Douglas. Shout out Douglas. Was he shirtless in Austin? Because that's like what everyone does. Did you walk around shirtless and barefoot in Austin? Everybody in Austin has a mustache. Hybrid athletes, baby. That's what they do.

52:39Sam Parr:Because everyone was like buff. Yeah, hybrid athletes. That's when you're buff and you run. That's the move in Austin. I'm trying to figure out how to brand the hybrid athlete of business where you have the success, but you don't have the grind culture suffering mindset, right? Like the Goggins, Hormozzi, like it's just about pain. And that's what it is. And you need to not see your family and not do this, not do that. It's like, I don't know, man, I'm doing this. I'm doing it this other way. And it's working pretty well for me. I don't know what to call this, but it's sort of like hybrid athlete.

53:11You can be jacked and run. It's like, oh, that makes sense to me.

53:16Sam Parr:Yeah, everyone in Austin's that way. All right, that's it. That's the pod. I feel like I can rule the world. I know I could be what I want to. I put my all in it like no days off. On the road, let's travel, never looking back.

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