How To Grow An Audience If You Have 0 Followers

0:00All right, I got a great question in my inbox this morning and it is from a guy named Tony L. So he says, Uncle Sean, I love the nickname, by the way, Uncle Sean, I'm leaning into that. He said, if you were starting from scratch, building an audience again from zero today, 2024, if you're starting again from zero, how would you do it? What advice would you give somebody like me who wants to be a content creator but has zero followers today? Tony from Miami. All right, Tony, I got an answer for you. I feel like I can rule the world. I know I could be what I want to. I put my all in it like my days off on the road.

0:32So first, I got to flash my badge. I'm like an FBI officer who walks into the room, and I got to show you my credentials if you're going to take me seriously. So I've built an email following of over 500 ,000 subscribers. I've built a Twitter following of 400 ,000 plus. On YouTube, I think I have 500 ,000 plus subscribers. This podcast has done over 100 million downloads in the last four or five years. So that's all in a four-year time span, one university block. And all of that has happened, and I've learned some things. And what I'm not going to do today is I'm not going to give you either a generic advice, like you got to be consistent and just be yourself, right?

1:10Like, okay, sure, but not very helpful, obvious and not helpful. So I'm going to share the counterintuitive things I've learned. I wrote down nine. So nine counterintuitive, surprising things that I've learned. I'm also not going to give you some generic one size fits all advice. I hate when people do this, especially this sort of a YouTube guru economy of like, here's the answer. As if there is such a simple formulaic answer that you could follow, that anybody could follow, right? It's very personal and there's art and science as a blend. It's nothing is guaranteed. But I will share with you the wisdom that I wish I had.

1:43When I was starting from scratch four or five years ago versus today, knowing what I know now, what is the wisdom that was surprising, non-obvious, that I wish I could have just drilled into my brain then? And if you're starting today, you could take this now. I'd also like to say that there are many ways to peel the banana. And all I know is the way that I do it. Maybe other people do it a different way. They have had success. But I can only share with you what's worked for me and how I think about it. And you could choose if that fits for you, if that resonates or not. All right. So here's the nine non-obvious lessons I've had building a big-ass audience.

2:15Number one, forget the numbers. You want to focus on who follows you, not how many people follow you. Tim Ferriss once said something that really stuck in my head. He says, okay, thought experiment. Would you rather have 100 ,000 Americans picked at random from across the country be chosen to read your book or have every member of Davos read your book and love your work? Obviously, you'd pick Davos, right? You'd pick the higher value, higher signal group of people. This is a general principle that I buy into, which is that more important than how many people follow you is who follows you. Because the content you put out is who you're going to attract.

2:55And this is hard to do. This is surprisingly hard to do. The first reason is because the platforms shove the numbers in your face, especially a platform like YouTube, where not only do you see how many views every video gets, all your audience members see how many views every video gets. And you know that they're going to see it. So it is very hard to block that out. Podcasting, a little bit easier. Not everybody can see how many downloads a podcast gets. Only you can see it. But every platform has some version of this, Instagram, Twitter, whatever your platform is. It is very, very easy to start to chase the number.

3:26So the bad news is it's hard to resist that. The good news is it's hard for everybody else to resist that. In fact, they won't even try. Everybody else will fall into this trap. And so it is actually a competitive advantage to completely ignore the numbers at the beginning and focus more on attracting the right types of people to your content. Who are you actually trying to attract? Like I got a buddy, he manages Hollywood talent. So when he writes a newsletter, it doesn't matter if there's 100 ,000 people reading it or 1 ,000, as long as the 1 ,000 people who read it are the right people. They're people that either need his service or they're people that are like him, agents in the game, talent managers that are very high signal and will become his future professional network, right?

4:04I'll use a car analogy as well, which is dangerous because I'm probably the one guy on earth who knows nothing about cars, doesn't care about cars, but I dabble. So General Motors sells two and a half million cars a year and is a like 50 billion-ish dollar company. Ferrari only sells 13 ,000 cars, 200 times less, right? 200 times fewer customers, less reach, but is an$80 billion company. So almost double the value. And so how is that possible where you can have 200 times less reach yet still be more valuable. And it's because Ferrari chose to be luxury. They chose to sell to higher-end customers.

4:42One customer for them is worth$200 for an average car company. That's why they have much thicker profit margins and so on and so forth. And there's a principle there, which is attracting the right customer. One of the right customer is worth, I don't know, a hundred random or non-correct customers for you. And I use customer because in content, whether it's a viewer, a reader, a follower, they're customers of yours. You're producing a product, they're consuming it. Let's call that a customer. So point number one, quality matters much more than quantity. You might think you believe that, but watch, 95 % of your attention will go towards your follower accounts, your view accounts, and all that other stuff.

5:18Resist this. Okay. Lesson number two, what should I talk about? My trainer, who I work out with every morning, he's got these great phrases. And one of his great phrases is, the best product is just you pushed out to the world. And basically, like, if I just turned you inside out and the whole world got to see what you are all about, what you stand for, that if you could just productize that, this is me pushed out to the world, that is the best product. Why? Because no one can compete with you at being you. If you truly just take your desires, your interests, your tastes, your opinions, and you package that and productize that properly, you are in a market of one.

5:53Nobody else can match your taste palette. Nobody else can match your set of experiences, prior experiences and stories, and nobody can match your delivery style as well as your opinions. And so the core thing you could do if you really want to be great and separate yourself in the content game is make the product you pushed out. I call this finding your inner nerd. So quick story. I remember going when I was younger to my uncle's house and we get to his house and he's like, hey, you want to see something? And he takes me down to the basement and he shows me, flicks on the light and he shows me this elaborate model train set that he has been working on for years, like five years plus.

6:29And it had all these little, like the scenery, the trees and the trains. And I was, I mean, it was incredible. And he's showing me this proudly. He's beaming, he's smiling. And in my head, I'm trying to smile back, but I'm like, wow, my uncle is the biggest dork in the world. But in the content game, you want to be like my uncle. You want to unleash your inner nerd. You want to go down the main spit and show everybody that train set that you've been tinkering with for a long time. Why is this? Well, because the things that you nerd out about are the things that you know the most about. It's the nuanced, in-depth, detailed, over-the-top, passionate, obsessed that actually turns into great content.

7:05And you see this, by the way, on platforms like TikTok. You'll see a guy who's a tomato farmer and he's like all about tomatoes. This guy thinks about tomatoes more than anybody in my city has thought about tomatoes. And so that guy's got an obsession and an inner nerddom about tomatoes. And the reality is that the internet is a geography vaporizer. So let's take me, for example. if I just took my set of inner nerdy obsessions, it's like, oh man, I really love, on one hand, I love startups and building companies and I love going and reading old stories about the PayPal mafia and leaked email transactions about how Zuck bought Instagram.

7:41That's my, I love that. That's my Netflix, right? But then I also like basketball and I also like trashy reality TV. I like a bunch of different things. Now, if I walked outside my neighborhood growing up and I tried to find somebody who had the same interests as me, zero, right? There would be nobody who has the same set of weird obsessions as I do. Even if I took one of them, like I like basketball, but I don't just like basketball. I freaking love basketball. I'm obsessed with basketball. And there weren't really many people growing up that were as obsessed with basketball as I was. They didn't find the jokes as funny.

8:11They didn't find the nerdy X's and O's stuff as interesting as I did. The internet vaporizes all of that. On the internet, you go on there, you will find your tribe. You will find the 10 ,000 people in the world that are as weirdly obsessed about a single subject as you are, right? And that's what works. And so there are people who do this. There's a guy on Twitter I love, Dye Workwear. This guy just loves men's fashion. And he will think about, talk about, and obsess about how long a pant leg should be on a men's suit. Something that I don't personally care that much about, but he does. And he has found his tribe online.

8:45That's what you want to do with content on the internet. You want to find your tribe by unleashing your inner nerd. You get rid of competition. And also, by the way, the secret here, it makes success a guarantee. What do I mean by this? Normally, if you come to me and you said, hey, I want to build a big following, winning to me is becoming famous online. Nobody really says this, but that's what we all want. Winning to me is having a huge audience. Well, if that's your only definition of winning, you will almost certainly fail. And even if you succeed, you will feel like a failure for many years, probably before that ever happens.

9:20That's a pretty miserable thing, like 1 % odds of success, if ever. And in that 1%, it still takes years. So every day you're going to feel like a failure. However, when you unleash your inner nerd, the benefit is you're just reading about stuff you're really interested in. You're talking to people who are experts at the thing you really love. You are learning, packaging up what you've learned and you're sharing it with the world. And you're just really into that stuff. And so every day feels like a win because you are talking about the things you are most interested in, which just lights you up.

9:48And so you shift the odds of success to maybe 1%, maybe many years down the road to every day, a hundred percent of the time. I like those odds. Okay. Lesson number three, build a magnet, not an audience. Everybody wants to build an audience. I think that's the wrong way of thinking about it. The way I think about it is I am building a magnet, a giant magnet that will attract like-minded people into my life. So every blog, every podcast, every video, it's a honeypot. And I'm just trying to trap like-minded people into coming into my orbit. And then I get to know them, I get to meet them. And then they start to share things with me that they know that I'll like because we're like-minded.

10:24And this has led to incredible deals for my business. It's led to incredible friendships for me. It's led to a faster rate of learning because people will start to send me stuff they know that I'll like. And so I'm trying to build a magnet to bring people to me, not an audience. Okay, next one. Back in the category of what do I actually talk about? There's an exercise that I'll give you. This is probably one of the only tactical things that I'm going to say, like a everybody can literally go write this down and do this and it will make your content better. And again, I'm trying not to go super prescriptive because everybody's got their own voice.

10:57You might like LinkedIn. Another guy likes podcasting. You can win. There's a million different ways to win. I'm giving you the timeless principles and hard-earned wisdom. But one tactical thing I will give you is an exercise you can do, and I call it first, last, best, worst, weirdest. Five questions. First, last, best, worst, weirdest. Stole this from Matthew Dix. I added the weirdest one. He did the other stuff, first, last, best, worst. So what you do is you take any subject in your life, like jobs. You say, first job, last job, best job, worst job, weirdest job. And then each, you'll just immediately come up with things.

11:32My first job was I used to coach basketball at a school for autistic and Asperger's kids. Cool. My last job that I had was working at Twitch. My worst job was when I created a sushi restaurant and every day my hands were like covered in tuna. My weirdest job was when I worked for this psycho billionaire in Indonesia who too many stories to tell there, but that guy. So everybody has a version of these and you could do that with relationships. What's your first relationship, your last relationship, your weirdest relationship, your best relationship, your worst relationship. So you can do this with jobs, relationships.

12:06You can do this with side hustles, projects, whatever. And that will create just this huge pipeline of personal stories that you can tell. Because most people want to say, all right, what do you got? What's your content? They have like one or two ideas. It's like, you should be idea rich, time poor maybe, but idea rich. And the way to get idea rich is a very simple exercise, first, last, best, worst, weirdest, and then you plug in different subjects. And you'll suddenly be sitting in front of 200 personal stories that only you can tell. And then you basically circle the ones that you think have the most juice, and then that turns into content for you.

12:38All right, next one. A thing I wish I knew earlier, the five Ds. So a lot of people want to be famous, but I've learned over time that is the wrong goal. Fame itself, kind of annoying, but there's something to it, right? Like, I don't think I want to be famous, but I do want people to know me. Well, what is that? Well, I don't want to be well-known. I want to be known well. So what does it mean to know somebody well? That's an interesting question. I think it's, you know, their personal stories, like I just said, their hopes, their dreams, their fears, their obsessions, their quirks. That's what goes into actually feeling like you're known well.

13:12And when somebody feels like they know you well, they feel connected to you. When they're connected to you, that's when they subscribe to you. That's when they pay for you. That's when they show up to your live events and sell out arenas. That is how you build a truly powerful audience. So the five D's, what are they? The first D, done. What have I done? What's my track record? You should know that about me. That's a goal you should have as a creator, that your audience should know what you've done. They should know what you deliver, meaning what do you offer people who follow you? For example, this podcast, on this podcast, I offer interesting business ideas.

13:42So opportunities, trends, business ideas, business breakdowns. I'll tell you about businesses you haven't heard of that are interesting, that are either just cash flow monsters or they could be billion dollar companies in the future. I'll tell you about those. I teach you about those. And the last one is frameworks, ideas. Much like this podcast here, I am telling you a way that I think about things that might be useful to you, bring you clarity, and bring you hopefully more success. So that's what I deliver. What do you deliver? The third D, do. What do I do for work and what do I do for fun?

14:12I want you to know that. Fourth, dreams. What am I shooting for? What's my goal, right? If I said Gary V, a very popular person who is very well-known but also known well, Gary V wants to buy the Jets. If you've ever followed Gary V, you probably know that Gary V wants to buy the Jets. And that's his dream. And by the way, it's such a good dream. So smart of him because A, it's aspirational. It's relatable. Wanting to own a sports team. It tells you about him. He grew up a miserable Jets fan. It's also likable. He didn't say, I want to buy the Yankees, which is like, oh yeah, of course, everybody wants to buy the Yankees.

14:44He's saying, I want to buy the loser franchise from my hometown. I want to help turn them around. That's an admirable, sort of like underdog underdog way of saying something that's kind of douchey in reality, which is I want to be so rich I could buy a sports team. So anyways, you should tell people your dreams. And the fifth one, dork out. What are you really into? What are you a nerd about? What do you collect? That's what people should know about you. So the five D's. This gives you two wins. Your audience feels more connected to you, but also you get luckier. It's weird that I said it, right?

15:09Luckier. Yeah, that was a surprise to me too. There's a certain type of luck where when people know you really well and they find something that they know you will find valuable or you could help them with, they will reach out to you. And it's almost like you were out there searching for it, but you never had to leave your room. The analogy here came from Naval that I really loved, which was, imagine you are known well. You are known well. You are known to be somebody who loves diving deep sea for treasures. And you were the best at this. And you have done it several times. You've shared your stories.

15:36Well, when somebody on the other side of the world finds a hidden treasure buried deep in the ocean, you will be their first phone call because luck will find you in that scenario. And so that's something that comes out of the five D's. Okay. This is getting kind of long, right? But you're still here. That's weird. Well, that's because there's another important principle, which is there's no such thing as too long, only too boring. So if you bounce by now, it's because I'm telling you things that you don't find interesting, you don't find insightful, or you don't find novel. But if you're still here, you listen to one guy on a monologue for this long, you can literally hear my mouth drying up.

16:10It's because I'm telling you things that are insightful, that are entertaining, and that are useful to you. So there's no such thing as too long, only too boring. Next one. I think I'm on seven. Don't worry about writing style or production quality if you're doing audio video. The goal is not C minus content with A plus production. It's A plus content with C minus delivery. That's the starting point you should be going for. That's the first milestone of success. I do not waste hours on packaging or perfecting my setup. If you go look at the early versions of this podcast, it's me in a bedroom with shitty headphones and shitty audio.

16:44And literally the very first version of this, I had like one AirPod in, like it was bad, right? Go look at Joe Rogan's first podcast. Here's a screenshot of it. If you're on YouTube, you can see it. You know, it's literally Joe with a fuzzy webcam. There's literally like a snowflakes, like trippy effect on the screen, like which is like so obnoxious. There's a giant rainbow background behind him. Like today, Joe's the king of podcasts. He's got a custom studio. but back then he didn't worry about all that he first conquered content then conquered packaging i see a lot of people get this wrong because they go look at people who are 10 years into the game and they think oh that's how my shit needs to look no no first nail content when you're confident you've nailed content then start leveling up your production all right let's take a quick break because i gotta tell you a story let me tell you about the first time i tried to run payroll for my team i was using a traditional bank and you know the type it's got a janky interface it's built like a 2002 tax form and it was open only during business hours and i hit send and it froze they flagged the transaction they locked my account they put me on hold for 45 minutes and then they told me i got to visit my local branch and that was the day i started looking for a new banking solution after asking a few founders what they were using i found out about mercury and so now my payroll is two clicks i can wire money i can pay invoices i can reimburse the team all from one clean dashboard that's why i use it for all of my companies and so do 200 000 and other startup founders.

18:01And so if you're looking to level up your banking, head to mercury.com and apply in minutes. Mercury is a financial technology company, not a bank. Banking services are provided through Choice Financial Group, Column A, and Evolve Bank & Trust members FDIC. Number eight, create a binge bank. So at the beginning, your numbers are gonna be small. Mine were also small. Everybody's numbers are small at the beginning. That is normal, natural, and pretty much unavoidable. It is very natural to start thinking at that point, man, what's the point of even doing this, right? Nobody's even gonna see this.

18:30my last video got eight views. You cannot think about the eight views. It will demoralize you. It will kill your momentum that you need to build up. Instead, the trick here is convince yourself, no, no, no, forget the eight views. That's not what this is about. I am building my binge bank. So a binge bank is like your own personal Netflix binge worthy show. It's an hour or two of your content that if somebody was interested, they could go click the button, consume it and be like, man, I'm a huge fan of this person. That's the goal. Create an hour or two of content that if somebody ever got there.

19:01And of course they will. Why would they not? You're awesome. Eventually people will show up. That when they do that, in an hour or two, they'll walk away being like, wow, I love this guy. This guy's awesome. So that's a trick to overcome the chicken and egg problem of having an empty room at the beginning is no, no, no. Forget the empty room. I'm building my binge bank right now. The last two I'll give you here. People don't want information. They want a feeling. What does this mean? So I think of any channel I create as a little shop in the world's most crowded flea market because that's what social media is.

19:29It's probably the most competitive market on earth. More competitive than the dating market, right? Because there's billions of people on social media every day fighting for attention. If you're going to be in that market, you have to know what you're selling. You're not selling things. You are selling a feeling. David Blaine, when he creates his show, he's not selling magic tricks. He's selling the feeling of awe. James Clear, who talks about habits, he's not selling habits. He's selling a feeling of self control, a feeling of hope that I can actually turn my life around through this habit stuff.

19:59The UFC, Dana White once said, I don't, I don't sell fights. I sell holy shit moments out live on pay-per-view. I love that. Uh, Tony Robbins, he sells a feeling of motivation, CrossFit. They sell a feeling of a satisfying sweat. And if you give people a feeling once or twice, maybe they'll give you a follow-up, but if you give it to them every day for several years, you have a lifelong fan. And, uh, I figured out what I wanted to sell, which was inspiration. And I try to do it consistently, meaning I want you, when you listen to me, you're going to be inspired either by a success story I tell you about, about overcoming failure story, about a personal story where I did one of those two things, or I'm going to sell you inspiration around ideas like, hey, I think this can work, or I think this tactic can work, and you will feel inspired to go take action.

20:39That's what I try to sell. Why? Because that's the feeling I like. That's why I try to give other people. And last one, my bonus one, be so good they can't ignore you. I have had the fortune of becoming friends with Mr. Beast over the last few years, and if there's someone you want to learn content from, it's Mr. Beast. That's the number one most watched YouTuber in the world. And I love his attitude towards content. Here's the advice that Mr. Beast gives whenever somebody asks him about how to be a successful YouTuber. He tells them, go make 100 videos. And every video on the 100, I want you to think of one thing you're going to do better than the last video.

21:12Maybe it's your hook. Maybe it's your title. Maybe it's your thumbnail. Maybe it's the storytelling. Maybe it's the editing pace. Whatever. It doesn't matter what it is. 100 videos. Improve each one. Try to make one, be conscious about making one thing better each time. I love this advice. I love it for two reasons. Number one, it's true and extremely useful advice. But more importantly, it just shoes people away. Because what they come to you for is the secret sauce, the answer. And what he gives them instead is the path. Here's the way. He teaches them to fish. It immediately filters people out.

21:40He says that like, you know, 99 % of people, when he tells them that, he never hears from them again. They never go to it. So it kind of filters out the unserious people. And there's a lot of unserious people in this life. and the serious people, it also works for them. It shoes them away too, because by the time they do the hundred improving one thing each time, they don't need his advice anymore by the hundredth one. They've got it. It's working. It's cranking. They're so busy. They forgot about Mr. Beast. So that's why there's golden advice. I'm doing that right now. So this content that I'm telling you right now is something I wrote on a new content series that I'm doing.

22:09So four years ago, I started this podcast, my first million. I did it by myself. I interviewed my friend, So it was the first episode and I just told myself I was going to try to do 50 of these episodes. And I said, I'm going to do 50. I'm trying to make one thing better every time. Similar philosophy. I used 50 at the time. Fast forward four years. I've just started my first new content project since then, which is a email series. So if you go to seanpourri.com, you can see it. You get to watch me do my 100 reps. This is now rep number four. All the content that I'm telling you today is something I just sent out in my email to everybody who's on that list.