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Podcast Summary: My First Million - Episode 616: The Market Is Crashing. Here’s What We’re Doing About It…
Hosts
- Sam Parr: [Twitter](https://x.com/theSamParr)
- Shaan Puri: [Twitter](https://x.com/ShaanVP)
Episode Overview In this episode, Sam and Shaan discuss the recent dip in the stock market, their reactions and strategies for coping with market fluctuations, as well as share their thoughts on the Olympics, highlighting winners and losers from the latest events.
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Key Topics Discussed
- Stock Market Reaction
- Market Overview:
- The stock market experienced a significant drop of around 5% in the week leading up to the recording.
- Tech stocks, such as NVIDIA and Google, were particularly hard hit.
- Personal Reactions:
- Sam reflects on the emotional responses among his peers regarding the market downturn, emphasizing the need to maintain a level head and avoid impulsive financial decisions.
- He shares a personal anecdote about a panic call he received from a colleague amidst the market dip.
- Philosophy on Market Fluctuations:
- Sam and Shaan discuss the distinction between reacting (emotionally driven) versus responding (thoughtful and logical) to market changes.
- Importance of a long-term investment approach, focusing on index funds, and not making hasty decisions during downturns.
- The Olympics: Winners and Losers
- Winners:
- Fem Kabul: Recognized as a standout performer.
- Team Refugees: Emotional highlight of the Olympics, representing athletes who have fled their home countries due to conflict.
- Noah Lyles: Noted for his performance in the 100 meters, although Shaan humorously remarks on his cringe-worthy persona.
- Losers:
- Simone Biles and Gymnastics: Discussion around the intense pressure in gymnastics and the emotional toll it seems to take on athletes.
- Pole Vault Guy Memes: A humorous commentary on a viral moment where a pole vaulter's private parts became the focus of memes.
- Business Insights
- Cintas – The Uniform Rental Empire:
- Discussion about Cintas and its growth from a small laundry business to a $75 billion company.
- Emphasis on the importance of building a succession plan within businesses to ensure longevity and maintain family involvement.
- Building a Business Line of Succession:
- Sam shares thoughts on how to create a sustainable business model, ensuring that family members are prepared to take over leadership roles when needed.
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Key Takeaways
- Market Strategy: Stay calm during market fluctuations, focus on long-term strategies, and avoid impulsive decisions driven by fear or greed.
- Understanding Pressure in Sports: Recognize the mental and emotional strain on athletes, particularly in high-pressure environments like the Olympics.
- Importance of Legacy: Building a business with a focus on succession planning can lead to sustainable growth and family involvement.
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Additional Links
- [Business Idea Database](https://clickhubspot.com/mfm)
- [Cintas](https://www.cintas.com/)
Follow-up Recommendations
- Shaan Puri: Consider using services like [Shepherd](https://bit.ly/SupportShepherd) for hiring needs.
- Sam Parr's Resources:
- [Hampton](https://www.joinhampton.com/)
- [Ideation Bootcamp](https://www.ideationbootcamp.co/)
- [Copy That](https://copythat.com)
- [Hampton Wealth Survey](https://joinhampton.com/wealth)
- [Sam’s List](http://samslist.co/)
Podcast Production Details
- Network: HubSpot Podcast Network
- Producer: Arie Desormeaux
- Editor: Ezra Bakker Trupiano
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This episode captures the dynamic discussions between Sam and Shaan, blending financial insights with personal anecdotes and observations from the Olympic games, ultimately reflecting their unique perspectives on business and societal issues.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00All right. Can we talk about the stock market going down? Because I had to yell at a bunch of people.
0:14So basically, the markets dropped, what, 5 % this week? And in our little circle jerk world, it felt like the world was ending. So I guess the Dow had its worst day in two years. S &P 500 is down about 5 % so far this week as of time of recording. And I think the tech stocks did a bit worse. So NVIDIA is down 12%, Google, you know, whatever. A couple of the tech stocks, which is more maybe where we are at in a bubble, did worse. They gave back a lot of the gains that they've been having so far this year. And so it was a bad day for the markets. And by the way, I wake up, I wake up, and I think some people on the East Coast, you're on the East Coast, a couple people in the group chat are on the East Coast, and it either says one of two things.
0:56It says the world is ending with four or five likes on it in our group chat. Or it says we're going to Valhalla boys. And it has four or five likes on it every morning. And I really, I don't even check the market. I just look at that text and I know directionally is the arrow up or down, but it kind of gets to you that, that, that way of thinking. It bothers me. I had to yell at my partner, Joe, because he just calls me, are you freaking out about this? I'm like, freaking out about what? He's like, the markets are just going down like crazy. Like, should we sell everything? Like, what do we do?
1:24So like my reaction was just like, well, this is expected. Like if you if you just buy index funds like I do, like there are ups and downs. But in general, over five, 10, 20 year periods, you're expected to do that, to go up and down. And he just like freaked. And I and it made me angry. Like it made me angry because I was like, I wasn't stressing. But now I am. And this is not healthy. And that's what happened. OK, so I had a similar experience. Ben calls me. I'm on vacation. So Ben calls me and he's like, dude, what are your thoughts on the market? First of all, are we only going to do calls when the market crashes about the market?
2:05It's not a topic we normally discuss. Okay, so first of all, I have no thoughts. It reminds me of that skit back in the Dave Chappelle skit where it was like, what does John Rule think? What's John have to say about this event? We got to get John on the line. Yeah, let's get John on the line. Let's talk about the market. second thing he was like he goes yeah i we should probably do that thing but uh you know i did think like maybe we should do xyz and he like laid out some like new plan and the funny thing is i have been in a mode where i've just been trying to i've understood that one of the most powerful things you could do is take a simple idea very seriously i'm actually gonna do a whole episode on this taking a simple idea seriously but in general picking a few things that matter and then just simply doing them as well as possible and reinforcing it.
2:55So I actually do a thing, which is I wrote out for the year. I said, here's the three big things, big shifts. I always call it like three shifts I'm making this year. I'm making this shift, this shift, and this shift. Those are the three things that need to change in my life. The rest of the things are going great. I don't need to talk about the things that are going great. And every single week I write down that shift. Again, in our Slack, I retype the exact sentence. And then I say what I'm doing today and how that ties to that shift. And if I'm going to do something today that doesn't tie to that shift, I just simply don't do it or with very rare exceptions to it.
3:27So I've been doing this for a while now. And I told Ben, I was like, Ben, so remember that thing we've been saying over and over again, but like what we're doing this year, why we're doing it, why it's the right plan. Did we need to add a disclaimer, which was unless the stock market crashes and then we're just going to throw all the shit out the window and suddenly change our decision making about all the things that we're doing. And it sounds ludicrous to say it like that, but that's where his mind went in the moment. And I don't blame him because my mind used to go there too. And I've, I've developed a set of rules for myself through making horrible, expensive mistakes, which is fundamentally when markets crash, just I have to assess like a, it is the wolf at the door.
4:09Like, do I actually have an existential crisis? If so, okay, I'll, I'll, I'll make a child shift my attention to this and change. But like, If that's the case, it's because I somehow over levered or like really stretched myself too thin or like I've made a huge bet that I should have never made in the first place. So is the wolf at the door? No. Okay. If the wolf is not at the door, simply do not react. Just do nothing for 30 to 90 days and then see where you land. How would you have reacted five years ago? Well, I can tell you how I did react five years ago, making mistakes. So when COVID, actually, even before COVID, I remember at the end of maybe 2019, 2020, we had just sold our company.
4:46And my cousin, who's a hedge fund guy, and really all I know is like, this is my cousin. He's a hedge fund guy. And our whole family thinks he's the smart stock market guy. You know, people like in your family, when you don't really understand what people do, you just boil them down. You just categorize them into, well, he's the doctor. So no matter what my issue is, let's call the doctor. He's a heart doctor. I got a foot issue. Doesn't matter. That's the doctor. I'm the tech guy. It's like, whether your router doesn't work or you're making a startup investment, just call Sean. Well, this is the stock guy.
5:13And he was like, it's been a long bull market. I'm moving this, this, and this. And so I went to cash. I was like, yeah, yeah. Longest bull market in history. I'm going to shift some of my allocation around because I got this one hot tip from my cousin, the stock market. Isn't that funny how when you phrase it as wonderfully as we're in the longest bull market ever, you're like, I don't know any of the evidence, but that was a great line. I'm in. exactly exactly he told me something about a dead cat bounce damn that sounds fancy what is that i'm googling it's like if i'm making decisions off a wikipedia article i just read like bad things are happening in my life um when covid happened i'm you know it's like i don't know it's global pandemic the world is ending and people are talking about l-shaped recoveries or uh w-shaped recoveries or whatever the hell like v-shaped recoveries i don't know what's going on i'm drawing on my notepad trying to figure out oh that means stock market goes up or just stays down and by the way you know what it ended up being a k-shaped recovery the letter they didn't even talk about at the time i was listening to all the smart money and it turned a k-shaped recovery where you know mainstream main street went down it just got bogged down by inflation and assets soared and people how do you have a k like doesn't there's multiple lines on that chart i guess up and down when they talk about um like flattening the curve i'm like i literally have to draw like could access i'm like wait so what is flatten like what does that mean by the way the dumb thing isn't drawing it out and trying to understand it that actually is the smart thing to do it's taking you know uh poorly informed action action was the mistake and so i ended up doing a bunch of things that i really never should have done i sold a bunch of things thinking that that was being safe and conservative but it was actually a poor decision in general the number of poor decisions i've made simply from reacting versus responding and i define a reaction as making a decision in the moment based on an emotion that I'm feeling, usually fear or greed.
7:09Responding being, I have let the emotion cool off. I have let that settle. And I am now choosing a decision that I'm going to make based off of some sort of logical rationale that I could write down. And I could write down the counter argument for it. And when I look at my argument for and my argument against, one of them wins. And so anyways, now that's the short version of my My current for us is, which I do not claim to be foolproof, but it is just an improvement over dumb mistakes I made in the past. I found this great chart. I think it was like starting in 1990 or 94. This chart breaks it down to if you missed the top gaining days of a market, what would your portfolio be like versus what would your portfolio be like if you just set it and forget it?
7:55And it was something like, what was this? I think the starting number was$10 ,000. And so it was like, if you missed the 30 best days, you would have only$30 ,000. If you missed the, which is roughly 83 % less than if you just set it. So if you just set it and forget it, you would have 181. If you missed the 30 best days, you would have 30 grand. And then if you missed the 10 best days, you would have 83 grand. You know what I mean? Like you would like, I see this chart of like, if you miss it. Now I posted that chart and people are like, yeah, well now do that chart with missing the worst days.
8:27and I'm like, well, you'd have way more money. But if you have some magic balls that could tell me, get that pole vaulter guy with the huge balls. Maybe he could tell me where is the worst day that I could time it and we're good. You know what I mean? Tell me where I'm going to die and I'll know not to go there. Yeah, that type of situation. And so I'm team set it and forget it. I also think that you have to look at VTI, the Vanguard Total Index Fund. We're still up like 8 % or 10 % year to date. even with this little crash. So I still feel good. Okay, great. Good segment. Anytime I talk about the stock market, it reminds me of any time a tech VC suddenly is a foreign policy expert or is a pandemic expert or whatever.
9:15I'm a novice when it comes to investing outside of my realm, which is basically starting businesses or investing in private startups. those are the two things I actually you know have spent enough time in to feel like I know what I'm talking about anything beyond that I'm better off sticking to a you know an 80 20 type strategy where I just just do just avoid huge mistakes and don't try to beat everybody yeah and if you look at how many hedge funds beat the market it's something like five percent of them and so these are companies that have thousands of nerds just sitting around a computer to try and like beat the index and they still like the vast majority of them struggle and so that like whenever I see that stat.
9:55I'm like, yeah, don't try that. All right, dude, I got to ask you about the Olympics. So you're my Olympics guy and I am famously not an Olympics guy. I like watching them, to be honest with you. I just think the Olympics are an insane, an insane sport. But I emailed you as part of my Friday newsletter thing. And I was like, dude, what should I be watching for? And you gave me a couple of tips, a couple of storylines that made the Olympics, I don't know, 10 times more interesting for me. And I want to talk to you about a couple of the things that you you brought up starting with this 1500 meter race how good was that a race i did not even know i cared about i didn't even honestly know this event existed but can you set this up because you gave me storyline i needed uh to really care about this and it was incredible all right so going into the 1500 meter so the 1500 meter is uh 109 meters short of a mile so roughly 15 seconds of a mile.
10:52So a really fast mile, let's say, is four minutes, a good 1500 is three minutes, 44 seconds. Going into the race, there was two clear favorites. This guy named Jakob Engelbritsen. So basically, this guy, I call him the Justin Bieber of track and field. So he was raised by his father and like, I think he has seven siblings of which two or three others are also elite runners, not as good as him, but elite runners. And so he's raised in this family with his dad who's very disciplinarian and he's also his coach and he's like they're raised to be great runners and in norway where he's from they have a tv show so they're almost like uh reality tv stars also in norway because these uh three brothers are wonderful at running so this guy is the best he's been the best since he was like 18 uh he has i think the second fastest or third fastest mile time of all time he has the world record and the two mile the problem with him he's kind of a pretty boy he's got these like cute tattoos all over his body and all the runners are a little bit arrogant and cocky.
11:52You have to be like that in order to be one of the best athletes in the world. But his cockiness comes off as more arrogance. And it also kind of sucks because he's like this guy who's kind of been the best since he was young. And so he's not easy to root for. You know, he's like the guy who's had it all and he is the man, but he kind of acts like the man. Now, the other guy he was going to race against, this guy named Josh Kerr. I've been lucky enough to meet Josh in Austin one time because I was friends with his manager. Was this the guy you asked to see his calves or to touch his calves or something?
12:21Yeah, yes, yes. So Josh, I think he's from Wales. I forget. Or no, Scotland. Sorry, is it Scotland? Whatever it is, it's part of the UK. And so they run under a British flag. And so he is more of a silly, quirky, like he's got like the British, like shithead kind of attitude that's very likable. And interestingly, the reason I talk about his calves, unlike a lot of the runners, he's still a really skinny guy. He's not as skinny as the other runners. And so he kind of sticks out. But he's like the man. And leading up to this race, they'd been talking trash to each other constantly. And track and field is usually a gentleman's sport.
12:58No one talks trash. And that kind of is one of the reasons why it's boring. They talk trash going into this race. And so it was like framed as Josh and Jakob versus each other. Josh is typically slower, but he usually wins races. Because in championship racing, it's not always the fastest person who wins. It's the person who shows up that day and has the best tactics and comes through in the end. because oftentimes they go sort of slow. And then the second half of the race is really fast. So it's typically not who's fastest. It's just who performs that day. So we go into this race and it's just those two.
13:27We think that's what's going to happen. It comes down to the last 200 meters, which is half a lap. So the last half a lap, it's setting up exactly like we thought, where Jakob is in front winning the race because he's the faster runner and Josh Kerr behind him waiting to kick and beat him. And Josh takes off and he's about to get Jakob. And out of nowhere, this American Cole Hawker, who's got the slowest time of most all of the other eight runners in the field, comes out of nowhere and he wins. And not only does he win, with 100 meters left, that's the last straightaway, he's boxed in between Josh and Jakob.
14:01And you see him try to take off and Jakob is kind of blocking him a little bit. So he kind of pushes him a little bit, but he loses his momentum. And that's really hard in running because accelerating is the hard part. So when you lose the momentum, typically that's your one and only chance to do it. somehow Jakob goes just to the right a little bit. So Cole Hawker can slip right through him on the inside rail and he beats him. And not only does he beat him, Jakob fades to fourth, which is like insane. Josh Kerr gets second. And this guy Cole, he doesn't just win. He runs the Olympic record. So the fastest time ever in the 1500 meter.
14:34And he runs something like the seventh fastest time in the 1500 meter ever. And he crushes his PR. And it was one of the best races I've ever seen. That was a great summary. a couple of things that I thought were fascinating about this. So when he was doing the trials and the semis, basically leading in, that guy Jakob had this strategy where he was so cocky, he would basically just start at the very back. So the race starts, he doesn't really care. He lets every single runner get ahead of him. And he would just hang back at the back. And then kind of the second lap, third lap, he would pass everybody and he would win the qualifiers.
15:11And it was just a cocky thing to do. but it was also effective because he knew he could push the pace and he just didn't want to burn too much energy right at the very start. The goal of the semis and leading up, it's to win and qualify using the least amount of effort. Right, exactly. And in the semis, him and Josh were going and it looked like at the end, they both kind of were feeling each other out. It was the first time running felt like boxing where you could see, oh, they're kind of measuring each other's distance, their power, and they're getting a feel for each other. You could tell even in the semis, there was almost a moment where Jakob won, but Josh kind of realized, like, if I had pushed this last 50 meters, I think I could have taken him, but I don't want to show him the full bag right now.
15:53They did something that was very controversial, not controversial, but it's very it's part of the story and running, which is when you are winning a race or you're at the end of the race. If you look around to see who's around you, that's like a cocky move. And what you do is you see Jakob turn his head as if he's looking behind him. it's like i see you behind me and that's like uh that adds to the the story which is always fun yeah yeah the runner's insult and so we uh and so but in the final you what you were saying was amazing because he did the exact opposite he starts the race immediately in first place this guy jacob goes faster than anybody has planned in the first two laps faster than even afterwards i was reading some interviews like why did he fade so hard he's like dude i i went way too hard at to start accidentally like i didn't pace myself properly i just got out you know kind of like it lost myself in the moment lost some composure he just went too fast at the beginning pushed a pace and it was it was basically that part you talked about where the american dude tried to pass him got kind of pushed back it looked like it was a complete wrap for him at that point it looked like there was no way you can get bumped back and then pass him again but it ended up working out which i thought was amazing if you haven't seen that one go to youtube and just type men's 1500 meter watch the uh six minute clip on the on the nbc sports channel it is like straight out of a sports movie type of thing you know like if you're an american you watch that it is uh super inspiring to see this guy who was a complete underdog nobody was even talking about him it was just a question of which of these two other guys and then this little the little engine that could basically passes them all at the very end runs the race of his life i thought that was amazing and the best part dude paris has killed it with this olympics the best part is they have this bell right at the finish line of all the events.
17:40And when you win an event, you walk over to the bell and you ring it. And he goes over and he rings this bell. And it was just like a really cool moment. So like I was all about it. I was I was screaming so loud. I woke my kid up from a nap. I was so pumped from this. So, yeah, I'm happy. I've been a distance running fan for years. It's not the most popular sport because it's not that exciting. I'm happy this existed. It's good for the sport. OK, so I have a couple other winners and losers I want to go through with you. So winner for sure, Cole Hawker and the 1500 meter race. I'm going to do another winner here.
18:12Mixed relay. Another race I didn't even know existed. It's new. Did you watch this? So historically, America's greatest event is the four by four relay, which is a quarter of a mile, one lap, four people each running one lap. We've almost always been the best. The mixed relay, I think it's a weird event. I think it's only lasted for two Olympics. This might be the only second Olympics that we've done it. Uh, and America, we got our ass kicked by, uh, was it Belgium? No, the Netherlands. So the Netherlands, sorry. This was a hilarious race because the way that the mixed relay works, say this is two guys to girls and they alternate.
18:50So it's a baton. You're, you know, you're handing off the baton. The American guy gets off to a good start. The woman for the, for the American team is standing in the wrong spot. Did you see this? She was standing 30 meters forward. and at the last second the official was like yo what are you doing wait you see all the other people like in her leg of the relay they're all standing literally like 20 meters back and she just spaced she just spaced during the olympics it didn't pay attention to where she was supposed to stand it's like if you lined up for a kickoff at an nfl game and one dude was just at the 30 yard line and everyone else is standing somewhere else completely it made no sense the last second she gets into the to the zone where she's allowed to be so she didn't get DQ'd, which would have been horrible.
19:34But then the crazy part was this woman at the end. The Femke Boll. Femke Boll is awesome. Femke Boll shoes. I am thrilled by this athlete that I didn't even know existed 24 hours ago. Femke Boll. If you haven't watched her, you gotta go watch this woman run. She just dominated the US in the last leg. She's this Dutch runner who looks like she's not even expending any effort whatsoever. She's like she's like ai dude she looked like fucking chat gpt grew legs and ran effortlessly ran the rest of this race when the rest of the humans were like sweating and trying femke bowl dude i feel like in another life that would be your uh your your dream girl femke bowl i love her i love her she is my my dream girl uh she's gonna be so she's another life this life yeah hey fam if you're listening uh she uh she's a 400 meter hurdle specialist and she's gonna race uh this woman named sydney mclaughlin and sydney's gonna kick her ass uh but fem's gonna get second and it's still gonna be a fun race that's my prediction wow okay fighting words i am uh officially i'm like a half citizen of the netherlands after watching that race so i'm i'm in on that one that's another big winner for me that race and specifically femke bowl was a huge winner can i do some losers losers of the olympics let me do one more winner so this is a relatively new thing.
20:57So starting in 2016, I think, in Rio, something like that, the Olympics did something cool. So there's a bunch of refugee athletes, so people who fled Iran. There's a wrestler who fled Iran because he was protesting and he fled. And so he can't compete for Iran anymore. There's a bunch of Syrian athletes, things like that. And so what the Olympics do is they put these guys into this team. I forget what they call it, but it's basically the refugee team. And they come into the stadium with the Olympic flag. and I always cry. I get really emotional when I see these guys come in because this is like the definition of the Olympics for me.
21:32And so they like pick athletes who are refugees and who have a shot at doing good and hitting the standards. So anyway, they have this one boxer who is from Cameroon and she had a fleet Cameroon. And it's the first time that one of these refugee folks has ever medaled. And so she's guaranteed to get third place at least, maybe second place in boxing. And so her match I think is tomorrow. And so that's amazing. So like a lot of these kids, well, they're young men and women now, but they like, for example, fled Cameroon or South Sudan because they were being recruited to be children's soldiers, things like this.
22:07So they like walk across, you know, a country to flee. And now they're in the Olympics. And that's my favorite part of the of the Olympics. Do they have like a so they walk in with the Olympic flag? What do they wear when they're at the Olympics? I haven't seen this. What was that uniform? Historically, they wear like blue Olympic jerseys. And so they and when they come in to the stadium, they all look different, you know, because there's Syrians and then there's Africans and like they all look different. And it's really cool to see this group of people who are all from all over the world but have similar like troubled backgrounds.
22:38And they all come together wearing this jersey. And it's really cool to see that jersey kind of unite them. yeah i love that there by the way there's a surprising number or maybe they just stand out when you hear the story but there's a there is a surprising number of olympic athletes who were either like foster kids or you know adopt this is basically the blind side story right it's like oh there's their parents and you're like oh that doesn't look like their parents interesting what's the story here and it's like well they they had this like incredibly tough upbringing but then it makes sense at the same time it's like if you're looking for the people who are like extremely gritty and the people who are going to overcome the incredible number of obstacles that it takes to become the best in the world at something it kind of makes sense that maybe you were forged in the fire that way i remember like you know i was a track athlete and i remember being really nervous before races but you wouldn't you'd be a lot less nervous if you came from a really hard life because you'd be like this is easy dude this is like you know like this is nothing compared to what i experienced like today's a day off of my normal life i'm running for a time, not running away from dictators, right?
23:39It's different stakes. Yeah. And so that's why I love sports. And so who are the losers? So we got another winner. So the winner, another winner we're marking here is the team refugee team. And my honorable winners are the parents who adopted several of these foster Olympians. That may be my future career. All right. So some of my losers here. And of course, I say this playfully because they're Olympians. They're not actually losers. i'll give you the most controversial one first simone biles and in general gymnastics can i give you my case can i zag here can i give you my case on why there's something about gymnastics that just creeps me out dude there's something strange and joyless there's not only the controversy that happened where a lot of like sexual assault stuff was going on with with gymnastics but gymnastics seems so high stress dude like when she fell on the beam and like there goes you know four years there's something just they have to do this fake smile while they're doing their routine but it's like the they look like the joker dude that's not a real smile i've seen real smiles that is not a real smile it just seems incredibly stressed it seems like a joyless sport and she is so dominant which is amazing but there's something uncanny about it's like watching an ai video where you're like this looks beautiful but there's something inhuman about what I'm watching here.
25:02There's something joyless about gymnastics. Dude, isn't it weird that you're judged in a sport on your appearance and your smile? I think that's weird. I think that's weird. If one of these women didn't smile and just had a plain face, I think she would get hurt. Dude, have you seen our YouTube comments? Everybody's judged on appearance. It's just weird that it's like sports. I'm going to get ripped for everything I'm saying and mostly the way I look. I think it's weird. I also dislike sports that are mostly judged. You know what I'm saying? That always makes me mad. Gymnastics was a rough watch for me.
25:38Also, can't tell the level of difficulty. It all seems hard. They all look absolutely incredible, and it's like, well, no, this one was clearly four-tenths of a point worse than that one. And so it is kind of an unwatchable sport also because everything that all the athletes are doing looks superhuman to me. Whereas a race, there's something just so pure and primal about a race it's like that person ran and won i could tell who won and lost in gymnastics i really can't tell who wins and loses um at all so in skateboarding that's now an olympic sport and i like to skate and you get points if you do so there's uh like your regular stance the way you skate all the time and then you get more points if you do a switch which is you put your not dominant foot in front you know you switch around it's freaking weird like who cares which footed footed you are like why do you get well it's like what if you're like you know what i mean i always thought that's weird and it's similar with gymnastics like if you use like like who's to determine what's more challenging if you use like your less dominant hand to lead i think it's weird that's why i'm not a fan of take the sats with my left hand do i get an extra 100 points so that doesn't make any sense right or like with an eye patch i so i think that's strange okay other losers uh that i have this pole vault guy going viral because he got a big slong yeah okay the wrong contest yeah exactly dude if i see another meme about this guy everybody had the same joke it's actually not even him it's everybody who made the same exact joke of like he actually won come on basically a guy went up on a pole vault he cleared the bar but on his way down his dick hit the bar and it fell over uh it sucks that sucks no he won dude all right um last one is a winner no aliles uh what do you have to say about this the guy wins what seemed like the closest hundred meter race did nobody even realize that he won until it was finally like the camera in like a 90 analysis realized that his chest hair crossed the line first noah has a little bit of a problem he's an amazing athlete i think he's a great guy he's real cringe so you'll have to if If you pay attention, he's going to be run the 200 meter, which is his better of him.
27:56And he's probably going to win because he's great. He's got a cringe problem, which is, he's the, you know, what do they call it in UFC? The triple C. He's a three-time champion. The third medal is for a cringe. Yeah. So he's the cringe champion. Noah Lyles has a little bit of an issue with that. Were you surprised, impressed by the finish? I thought that he was going to get second. Yeah, I was surprised that he won. Um, I was surprised that he won. And here's another thing. I was surprised that the Jamaican guy who got second, you should look, look at how big that guy is. People don't realize this.
28:30These a hundred meter runners and these 200 meter runners, they look jacked and ripped and they look jacked and ripped because they're like mostly naked and they're like flexing, right? They just, you always look better when you're like working out. But if you look at their body weight and their height, they're pretty lean, small guys. They're actually, it's like you saying bolt was six, four or six, five, but he only weighed like 190 pounds. It's actually not that, not that huge of a guy. the guy who from Jamaica just beast just beast of a guy I was shocked that he did as good as he did he's like Usain Bolt's protege right he's like training with him or something well Jamaica is a small ass country they all train uh with similar coaches so no no he's not good enough to be called his protege but he's good okay fair enough fair enough um okay two questions for you number one do you believe that any of these guys are clean yes uh I tend to be optimistic.
29:20I also thought Lance Armstrong was clean though. So, uh, but I, I tend to be optimistic. I think, uh, beating drug tests is, is fairly challenging, but I think they're clean. Yeah. Right. Before you ask me for my investment advice, I advise you to look at my portfolio, my portfolio. Yeah. Like I was like, I thought Lance was clean. So you don't. Right. Um, okay. Second question. What's left to look forward to rest of the Olympics for me? because the Olympics are also a complete... The other loser is the Olympics programming, how impossible this is to follow and watch. If you didn't tell me, hey, here's three or four storylines that you should pay attention to that I could get emotionally invested in and understand what I'm looking at when I look at it, which event to pay attention to, this would have been impossible to even enjoy.
30:07So what's left to enjoy for me? So the men's 200 will be fun. So here's a sleeper of an event. There's a kid named... And Quincy, there's a grown man named Quincy, Quincy Hall, who's in the 400 meter dash. He potentially is going to win. But then there's younger Quincy, who's a 16 year old kid who looks like a 16 year old kid. You know, a lot of like 16 year old prodigy athletes, they don't look like children. He looks like a child. He got fourth at the 400 meter trials in America. You have to get top three in order to go to the Olympics. But he got fourth, which means he's put on a relay. He's probably not good enough to be in the final four by four.
30:41But if you watch the prelims from when America is in the four by four, watch this young kid, Quincy. He's 16 years old. He's like darling. Like he's got like the perfect type of charisma where he's like composed, but he still like talks like a child. That's going to be really exciting. I think he'll be the youngest American track and field athlete ever to go to the Olympics. My mind only has room for Femke Bowl. So I really look at my notes here. I've just put boxes around the name Femke Bowl like, you know, 16 times as you've been talking, because I'm not really paying attention to anything except for her.
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31:12I mean, she's good, but she's going to get her ass beat in the 400-meter hurdles, but she's a wonderful second-place winner. So watch Quincy in the 4x4 relay prelims. He'll be a runner, and that will be really exciting. Okay, one last question for you. You're a runner. One of the things that they were talking about was like, yeah, I had to recover from that 100-meter thing to be ready for the 200 or whatever. Noah Lyles is talking about this. I understand that in theory, but also this is a 10 second race. They run it. It takes nine seconds. You really need to like you have two days. Is that really hard to recover from a nine second race?
31:49No. So yeah, it is because you get sore from that. They do that. So to run a race at a big championship, you have to run three races. So one one sprint race is actually three. So the quarter semi race. The semi and the final are usually always on the same day. So that final happened, I don't know how many hours, but the same day as the semifinal. So he had ran that morning as well. And when you run sprints, it taxes your central nervous system, which is different. So you basically, it's sort of like, if I were to say like, hey, you have to do this box jump squat 20 times in a row, and you got to go for max height, you're going to be this type of sore where your insides like you feel like your nerves hurt not necessarily like your aerobic system do you know what i mean this is like how when i get done with this podcast and i go hang out with my wife and i'm just like i need to just uh not talk for a while and she doesn't understand she's like you talk for a living what are you talking you're tired from talking i need to tell i need to go with this uh sympathetic nervous system uh explanation just to confuse her to to make it acceptable so and that's how it feels like if you go and do like a explosive workout it's like your it's like your insides just feel depleted.
32:59It's kind of a weird feeling. I guess I'll take your word for it. Never going to do it. All right. That's the Olympic segment. Thank you, Sam, for making that interesting for me. All right. Let's take a quick break because I got to tell you a story. Let me tell you about the first time I tried to run payroll for my team. I was using a traditional bank and you know the type. It's got a janky interface. It's built like a 2002 tax form and it was open only during business hours. And I hit send and it froze. They flagged the transaction, they locked my account, they put me on hold for 45 minutes, and then they told me I got to visit my local branch.
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34:00All right. So let me tell you about a story. And I want to hear something. I have a question for you on how the story ends. So in 1929, there's this guy and he starts this company where it's very odd. He basically is cleaning the rags and uniforms for circus performers. Very strange start, but that's how this company starts. And he turns that into a business and he calls it Acme Industrial Laundry. And he scales that up, but not a lot. It's a very small business, but he scales it up to where he starts doing laundry for other uniform businesses. Now, he started that in 1929. By 1960, his son, who's 21 years old, comes into the business and he's like, Hey, Dad, I would love to work for you and maybe take this over one day.
34:44And the dad's like, Yeah, sure. Let's do it. And it does okay. But inevitably, there's a little argument between the father and the son. And so the father calls the son into the office and he's like, Hey, look, man, this isn't working. And the son's totally expecting him to be like, you're fired. You're out. And the dad goes, Look, this isn't working. Here's the keys, man. You run it. Let's see what you can do. I'll step out your way. Let's see if you could pull this off. And so the son, he's at the time 21, 22, 23 years old. His name is Richard. He takes control of this business. And he's like, Let's grow this sucker.
35:18And so in 1960, when he takes it over, it's doing$180 ,000 in revenue, which is something like$2 million. Today it has 12 employees. And he's like, look, we're going to focus on doing laundry for companies who need cleaning supplies. So extra rags. They're basically just washing rags. And he grows it. And it works out well. And he grows it to the point where after I think eight years, the business grows from $200 ,000 a year up to$1.6 million a year, which is the equivalent of$15 million a year. He's growing this business and he's now expanded into laundering company uniforms, which is a very strange thing to get into.
35:56I didn't even know that existed. But he grows this sucker for the next 50 years. And now they've renamed the company to Cintas. Have you heard of Cintas? Yeah, I see their trucks. I see their trucks all the time too. And I'd have no idea. Okay, so do me a favor. Go to Cintas Market Cap. Just Google that and look at what it says. 75 billion dollars it's a 75 billion dollar company and their main business is still one now they they launder uniforms but they also supply the uniforms so they make uniforms for all types of businesses you know like you'll see like if you see like a typical janitor outfit that's a very easy one but it could be restaurants it'd be anything and then they uh rent you your uniform and they'll launder it for you but then they've expanded so like if there's a fire extinguisher in the bathroom of a restaurant, it probably has come from them.
36:48If there's cleaning supplies, it probably comes from them because once they made inroads into a business, they're like, hey, along with your uniform, we're going to sell you all these other things. And so I think they do something like eight or nine billion dollars a year in revenue and it's subscription revenue. So it's like a huge company. Why is it subscription revenue? It's uniform rental. oh nice yeah they got you uh it's called uh ras uh you know like rental as a service i don't know it's just that's just what they do uh they they sell uniforms or they rent uniforms and so they're able to get like these subscription businesses and then it's also like real recurring revenue because uh they'll sell you all this other stuff and they've got inroads but as the business was taking off richard farmer uh his name uh he starts getting old and he's like i need to figure out a way how to keep this within my family.
37:35And so to this day, the family, the farmer family still owns something like 20%, I think, maybe 18 % of the business. And he was like, I made it my mission to create this generational thing. And I've trained my children to help take this over and to make decisions as it comes to giving away our money, but also governing the company. A family member isn't the CEO, but they're still involved. And so the reason why I looked this guy up is I'm very fascinated with how you could pull this off where you could keep your family in the business. I think that it's very hard and it's high risk, high reward.
38:08And so I've been studying all these families who have pulled it off and these guys have. And from the outside, there's a dozen other examples of people who have crashed and burned and this has not worked. My question to you, is this a thing that you aspire to have? One of your three kids kind of take things over or you pass the baton to them or do you not care about this? Because I've talked to a lot of people and it seems 50 50 of people who are like adamantly in favor and other people who are just like, I don't give a shit. My answer is really split. I don't aspire to do this, meaning it's not something I'm planning to do or really want to push on anybody.
38:52Do I think it would be awesome? Yeah, Yeah, totally. In the same way where like if my son plays basketball as his favorite sport, that's going to be awesome for me because I love basketball and I could coach him and I could help him in a way that I couldn't if it was tennis or not sports at all. So to me, it's a bonus. It's not a plan. I do think about this stuff because on two ends of the spectrum, on one end, I've met way too many rich guys who talk themselves into working too long, working too much with this like i'm just doing it all for my kids it's like dude kids just kind of want you at home actually they just want to spend some time with you right now they they don't really care you know whether you leave them you know 12 million dollars or 22 million dollars or 42 million dollars it's not like your kid right now doesn't care and also doing that giving them more might actually be a disservice to them back to the kind of you know uh more conversation earlier about belt olympics and how like you know what does uh where does character come from um so i think that it's really dangerous to talk yourself into i'm doing this for my kids so i refuse to let myself do that i think anybody who says that honestly is lying i think you're doing it for yourself um and you use your kids as a justification to uh why you're why you're doing that as my my general opinion and so i just to safeguard myself from ever lying to myself in that way because it's such a sexy lie, right?
40:16Who's going to say anything bad to you? You can never get checked, right? There's no checks and balances if you just say, I'm just doing it for my family, doing it for my kids. And so I think it's really important for myself to not lie to myself that way. If my kids happen to have an interest or appeal to it, awesome. I will be super excited and can't wait to do that. I do hope that that happens, but hope is not a plan, not a strategy. On the other hand, I'm on vacation. And one of the best moments of my day yesterday was I went to a water park? Dude, have you been to a water park in the last 20 years?
40:47Dude, Nick Gray rented a water park for his 40th birthday, but in order to save money, he rented it from 7 a.m. to 9 a.m. and so me and a bunch of 40-year-olds went to his birthday party where we had a whole water park for ourselves. Besides that, have you been to a water park? No, it's just too full of pee, man. It grosses me out. I know. I was absolutely disgusted by being in that pool with so many people. Dude, somebody like Tweety Bird shirts. Oh, no, not for me. Yeah, they did this thing where they because I'm in the kids section and they take a break at the top of the hour for five minutes as a potty break.
41:29Like, hey, this is the time. Take your kids to go and pee. That just brings more attention to it. Nobody left the pool. And I was like, nobody's leaving right now. They're going to leave you one explanation for this. it's filthy besides that there was one beautiful thing amongst the disgust which was while we were walking in there's this dad he's pulling like a wagon like his when you have kids just bring so much shit everywhere and his kid was walking next to him his kid's probably like seven years old and he's walking in front of us and he stops like 10 feet ahead and it's like a really narrow path and normally like my like flaw as a parent is i'm very impatient it's like you're like you're like really like fussy and like annoyed easily when i'm like beyond like a four-hour stretch with my kids i just become like cranky and so this guy stops i'm ready to be cranky they does something really really awesome i realized why he stopped is because this kid asked him something and the dad who was the kid was like kind of like look kind of athletic the dad didn't really look super athletic looked like you know typical water park american let's say and he but he was showing him he goes oh when you're doing that in soccer um he's like when they come at you this way what you want to do and he was showing him how to use his feet to like not have the ball get stolen and the kid was not like making eye contact but he's processing it he was watching the dad and he's processing he wasn't saying a whole lot back and the dad was trying to just show him something and in the moment at the base it's just like a dad teaching his son something and i don't know i'm getting pretty soft but like that like kind of like touched me for a moment i was like this is so amazing just this uh this dad just teaching his kid this little thing like just being able to pass down one little bit of information and the kid so earnestly processing it because there's so many things you tell your kids that they're not listening and they don't care they don't want to know and they don't want to listen they don't want to take their vegetables basically um but the kid genuinely cared and it meant something to him and you could tell the kid had had like a bad experience it was trying to figure out how to overcome the bad experience and i fucking loved it dude and it just made me for the rest of the day i just found like all these little pockets little moments to like have a different conversation with my kid and so like you know later that day we were like parking the car and i was like told my son i was like come come back to me he's only three years old i did the thing like illegal thing you're not supposed to do i like put him on my lap and like had him like drive in the parking lot to like park the car uh but like he had to sit in my lap while i was driving it like this is like 50 feet but like whatever i told him i said um my son does this really cute thing where he goes he'll do something and then like an hour later he'll go dad you know why am i do that like you know why am i said i wasn't gonna eat that and he just keeps all he's always like you know why am i punched her and it's like then he's got some explanation that never even makes sense but it's so cute and so like me and my wife whenever we fight we do that now it's like you know why am i was an asshole earlier is because i whatever and so i told him i go you know why am i let you drive just now and he goes why and i go because I'm teaching you how to be a man.
44:24And he goes, okay. And I'm like, go tell your sister when you go back. Say, you know why I got to go do that? Because dad is teaching me how to be a big man. He goes in the room and he goes, hey, bless you. You know why? Why dad let me drive? Because he's teaching me to be a big human.
44:45Dude, that's awesome. I'm excited for when my kids are old enough that I can try to do that. And I'm totally going to do a ton of them. And yeah, I'm thinking about the same thing too about children and like what it means to like bring them in if, if it's all at all possible. But I do believe that what you said was true of it is mostly a lie that we tell ourselves of why we are grinding. It ain't for them. It's so we could feel fucking dope and powerful. Exactly. By the way, I didn't answer your question fully, which is if they're interested, a lot of people don't want to do it because they're like, oh, working with family's messy.
45:17Working with friends is messy. um i learned one thing on this podcast episode some i don't know one of the first 20 episodes with mike brown he said uh i asked him about he brought his brothers into his business and i was like was that a good idea to bring your brothers in and he looked at me like i was it like i was asking him like are you sure you don't want to drink water it's pretty wet and he goes my view of life is you find the people you love and you do life with them and then that became like fucking central to my core over like in that split second, I like changed as a human being. I was like, oh, okay.
45:49That made total sense to me. And that's the answer, right? Like find the people you love and then do life with them. And I will hit up people and I'll like try to find an excuse to just do a project with them or do a trip with them or do a something with them. Like that has been so fruitful. And in one of my businesses, we brought in, I do a business with my wife. We brought in my sister into a business. I've done so many different, I've done a business with my two best friends. like that has become just an operating philosophy that that has served me very well and like yeah there are times where it doesn't work out well so what that's like everything there's no foolproof strategy but the upside of finding people you love and doing life with them is so much higher than the downsides of when it doesn't work out uh in my opinion but um right and that's how i feel about this podcast by the way like you know when we met i always loved hanging out with you it's like sam's this crazy combination of really smart but smart about things that nobody else i know is smart about those things like he knows about this fucking family apron rental business you know like you just have a trillion of these things and you're also really fun and funny which is super like which i learned to appreciate was very rare in people like the more kind of successful you get the more serious people get whereas you were one of these people or the more successful you got the sillier you got and i was like dude i just want to have this guy in my life somehow right like how i don't know what the excuse are you moved away but i'm glad this podcast became like an excuse to do to do that well i'm glad too and by the way to the people listening that shit takes work like i uh particularly like like you and i uh like like we give and take uh to make each other happy but i would imagine it's the same thing with children in business where it's like i know this is the wrong thing that we should be doing but i gotta let the kid like fuck up you know what i mean and i think that's really hard to do dude there was a great quote i don't know if i'm allowed to quote this i think i am uh when i went to that event for the tiny event in canada chris uh andrew wilkinson and his partner chris they've been tiny the holdco the holdco has like 40 companies inside they're doing a session about holdcos and somebody asked them they were like hey i'm i'm setting up my holdco i'm in year one and i just want to know like how much support do you guys have from the back office like do you centralize finances because i think that could be really good like cost savings plus easy way to have oversight and do you centralize legal like what do you all what do you what do you guys centralize to to get the most synergy and um their answer is chris was like basic up till now we've done nothing we centralized almost nothing and he goes for two reasons number one.
48:22So he had a smart reason and then he had a great quote. His smart reason was he goes, whenever we own the financials, it felt good because we felt in control. Problem was we were in control. The CEO looked at the numbers and was like, those are your numbers. Those aren't my numbers. I don't own that. I don't know. I don't know what that target is. I don't know what those numbers are. I'm on the receiving end of these numbers. And that's a good point. The second thing that quote he said he goes um we wanted all of our companies to be able to run without us and the only way to do that was to just completely you know they're not completely neglect but like to to neglect them to not offer support and services and he goes uh the children of deadbeat dads grow up tough and independent it was like a groan in the audience but i was like i like that i like that a lot.
49:11He's like, it's true. It's the kids that grow up in a harder environment that are tough and independent. The refugee team of the Olympics. Exactly. And I thought that was such a good quote and a great answer. He said, by the way, now that might not be the answer. Now we might end up centralizing more as we're now a public company and all this other stuff. There's other reasons to do it now, but what got us here and what worked for us was that. All right, that's the pod. like I can rule the world. I know I could be what I want to. I put my all in it like no days off. On the road, let's travel, never looking back.
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Episode 616: Sam Parr ( https://x.com/theSamParr ) and Shaan Puri ( https://x.com/ShaanVP ) talk about what they are doing in response to the market dip, plus The Olympics biggest winners and losers of the week.
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(0:00) Boys React: The market dip
(4:32) React or respond?
(10:48) The Olympics winners and losers
(19:03) Winner: Fem Kabul
(21:26) Winner: Team Refugees
(24:48) Loser: Simone Biles and Gymnastics in general
(27:30) Loser: Pole vault guy memes
(28:18) Winner: Noah Lyles
(30:41) Loser: The Olympic's programming
(34:00) The $75B dollar uniform rental empire
(38:18) Building a line of succession for your business
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