ANTM Doc, The BAFTAs & Punch The Monkey

10:33Vogue Williams:You see, I sit with that a lot because it's in my toilet at home. Yes. I frequent that area quite often. So I have, I put up, yeah, I put up all the posters because like it's like that is like, honestly, I might put it on my headstone. It's quite the achievement. On my own, I managed one together. We did five. Well, it's a fantastic achievement and I think that you should be very proud and a female comedian headlining the three arena. More of that, please. Well done. Yeah. Epic. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much. But like I say. I will be there, but I'm not buying a ticket because there are none left to buy because I was planning on buying loads but now that there's none left to buy I'm going to have to ask you for them.

11:12Joanne McNally:You were going to buy loads were you?

11:13Vogue Williams:I was actually going to buy loads like you wouldn't believe how many I was going to buy up to 50.

11:18Joanne McNally:Well I bought a tube of Bear by Vogue yesterday and like I as always I'm deeply resentful. That's your own fault. I don't want I do not want to contribute to your finances at all.

11:32Vogue Williams:You have a phone number on your phone and all you have to do is send a text, but you forget. I can't help you out any more than that.

11:40Joanne McNally:A 24-7 tan hotline. My God, like, especially because it's been such a long winter, I am translucent at this stage. I mean, it's, I can see my pancreas through my own skin.

12:02Vogue Williams:Thank you so much for watching our YouTube. We really appreciate it. Now, 32 % of people who are watching are not subscribed. So do subscribe so you'll get out.

12:17Joanne McNally:We've got to talk about the elephant in the rainbow, the talk of the town, the big story. As you know, we take the heavy stories. America's Next Top Model three-part documentary series about the TV show that started in 2003, invented and hosted by Tyra Banks and the chaos and toxicity of the show. Have you watched it?

12:41Vogue Williams:I watched it the day it came out and I finished it by the following day. It is... Drop it to my veins. Insane viewing. Now, but I had like, in a way I kind of, I feel like a hypocrite by being so shocked and appalled by a lot of the things I'm seeing because we did used to watch it and we loved it. And the landscape was different back then. But some of the things are just so wildly out there. I have no idea how they got away with it.

13:13Joanne McNally:Jo, firstly, so to break it down, Jo, I'll explain it to Jo because that's your kind of our... You haven't seen it, Jo, right?

13:22Vogue Williams:I have watched it second hand whilst I was working over the shoulder of my wife who was watching it

13:28Joanne McNally:so the early noughties for reality TV was the most toxic time I'd say in the history of reality TV in the history of the world bar guillotines and this was America's Next Top Model Tyra Banks wanted to kind of show the behind the scenes she also wanted to kind of have a more diverse modelling plan and stuff which I think she did in fairness achieve I think she did do a lot for diversity. That would be my take on it from what I've read. But at the end of the day, it was a reality TV show. So she was really going in and like causing chaos in these girls' lives. And she was like taking a woman from Walgreens and turning her into a runway model.

14:06Joanne McNally:And this was what the dream was going to be. And they went on for like, I think there was like 25 series or 24 series. Yeah, there was a lot of cycles. As the series went on, obviously, the way it is all, it's like porn. It gets progressive, starts out with a bit of missionary. next thing it's a woman a donkey in a lift you don't know what's going on and this is the same the um couple of things to that were like shocking looking back but like you say at the time you're

14:31Vogue Williams:like it is what it is i think that that was the worst one was what happened to that shandy she was 19 at the time so she was she was 19 at the time and they had done a shoot with all these male models and then the male models were invited back to the apartment and they were going to have wine together and so they all started having wine and they're in the jacuzzi together and she said that she hadn't really ever drank that much before she was from a really small town she's quite innocent

14:55Joanne McNally:really she was like 19 going on 15 she kind of said that herself but she was tipped to win it she was the she was the perfect rags to riches story as in she was she had the she was so is gangly can you say gangly she looks like a supermodel of the time she really did yeah she

15:11Vogue Williams:did and she was like she just lived this like really quiet life she was like a little bit like kind of geeky in her own way but like beautiful looking and she was working walgreens and then they kind of scooped her up and they gave her this gorgeous blonde hair and like she was doing really well her shots were incredible anyway so the guys are coming over they're all drinking booze she's 19 she's never really drank that much so she's 19 so she shouldn't be drinking either in america anyway and but i think that they were in europe at the time um so you can imagine she hadn't drank that much and anyway she said she hadn't eaten and she got really really pissed and she had a boyfriend at the time and she starts kissing this fella in the jacuzzi and one thing leads to the next and they're in the shower together and there was a rule on the show that if you were in the bathroom on your own they couldn't film it but because she was in the bathroom with this man in the shower basically getting it on they were filming it but like she was quite clearly like paralytically drunk and then they were filming her in the bed with him and like she was past the point of consenting do you know what I mean?

16:10Joanne McNally:She was in a blackout, basically.

16:11Vogue Williams:Yeah, she was in a blackout. And had she been in her right mind, it's not something she would have chosen to do. And the producers, instead of stopping this, and this is all people, older people, cameraman, everything like that. Instead of stopping this, they just allowed it to happen. And basically she, she, the whole thing happened. And then the next, not even the next day, I think once she sobered up, she was really upset, bawling crying. They wouldn't give her a phone to call her boyfriend. She was like distraught. She couldn't believe what had happened. She humiliated, like all those kind of things.

16:39Vogue Williams:and then eventually she said she was going to leave. So they're like, oh, okay, fine, you can have your phone. So they filmed her ringing the boyfriend and she's literally on the ground crying in a fearful position and they're filming it. And the guys at the end were like, sorry, we had to film that. But like, just no care for her at all.

16:57Joanne McNally:They filmed her ringing the model and being like, did you use protection at all? Like, they filmed everything. So Pernie Tower Banks was never supposed to be in the documentary at all. Apparently it was supposed to be Miss J. Alexander's documentary about their life post-stroke and their kind of part in America's Next Top Model. And then she got wind of it being involved. And she was like, sorry, she got wind and was like, I need to be involved.

17:20Vogue Williams:But even with that thing with that girl, she literally sat there and she's like, oh, I didn't get involved in the production side of things. It's like, it's your show. You absolutely were involved. And I just, the thing about it was, I understand the landscape back then was different, but she's so unremorseful in this thing. She is. and I think that's grim

17:37Joanne McNally:she's sticking to her guns she's sticking to her guns there's some things that she does say she regrets she regrets going mad at Dani remember she's like we were ready for you but apparently she said loads of other shit that they cut from that but she said and your one Dani is in the documentary she's like the fiercest one because she's like I'm taking none of this shit she forced Dani to close up a gap in her teeth which Dani didn't want to do and to this day regrets it and then two series later Tyra actually extended someone else's gap in their teeth like you know all this stuff like they were all kind of you know treated very bad they ripped out like four of those this girl and they ripped out four of her teeth I'm telling you Joanie and she says to this day like she has a kind of an overbite and stuff and then there was another girl that they they would also recreate fashion shoots to trigger them so like one woman one of the young women had to do a fashion shoot with a gun and she got shot because they knew her mother had been shot so they were trying to trigger listen it's dark it's dark dark dark

18:34Vogue Williams:Did you see the shoot where they were recreating like eating disorders and they had a girl and the model sitting on the toilet with sick on her mouth. Yeah. Looking like she'd just been vomiting. It was like how the idea. But I don't remember those ones. I never, I didn't watch it like that full on. I don't remember seeing that. I remember seeing the homeless shoot where they dressed up as homeless people. And used actual homeless people in the shoot.

18:57Joanne McNally:And one of the models was, had been homeless. I mean but the bit where I actually like pulled the cover over my eyes in shock was when she got white models to do blackface and black models to do whiteface I'm pretty sure well she certainly got she was certainly getting black models to um be painted as Korean women and white models to be painted as black models and it was she thought she was trying to show this kind of diversity is all colours and shades are beautiful that kind of thing but I mean to say she missed the mark and one of the J's was like I do not want to be involved in this shoot

19:34Vogue Williams:he was saying about the race swap shoot he was like I just don't want to be involved in this but you were involved in it and then you were involved in the next one when they did another one so they did one early on and then they did another one and he was still involved in it so he can sit there now and say I just never wanted to be involved in any of that but like you did if you really didn't want to be involved at the time you could have pulled yourself out of it

19:53Joanne McNally:well it was kind of his job like he did say he was like Tyra said to me trust me I will sort this all out just go in and do your job and I will fix it all in kind of the interviews at the end and the judging at the end and I will look after it all and I think she genuinely thought she was being a maverick and kind of trailblazing through race issues in the modelling world and look obviously as two white women it's not really our place to speak on race in the modelling world but it did seem I was literally like as this it was so awkward to watch It was so awkward. But two things. One, why is she wearing a jacket in the interview?

20:30Joanne McNally:She looks like she's on the run. The costume is bizarre. Two. Who, Tyra? Yeah, that camel coat she's wearing. Utterly bizarre choice. Anyway, that's the least of our worries. But she's kind of sticking to her gun. She's saying, you wanted it. It's your fault. You're the reason we kept pushing. The gap thing, she says she's apologized to Danny, but she was told that that was just the way it was going to go. Danny's like, bullshit. You know, you used me. and then and she's like look call me on my shit that's fine but you just remember you're going to call on your shit too one day and I hope that you deal with it with the same dignity as I've dealt with it and then she's like I run an ice cream business now and then at the very end our shit isn't it out of fucking nowhere she's like well wait till you see what we're going to do on cycle 26 and announces a new series

21:14Vogue Williams:our shit is not as smelly as Tyra's everyone gets called out in their shit but her shit was so bad but like even even like how she had to get rid of the J's and Nigel Barker when she was told to do that by the network. And then the network ends up getting rid of her and replacing her with Rita Orr and the show. Yeah, I don't remember that. We must have, I don't think, I don't know how much of that we would have got at home. I don't think we would have gotten all the stuff that the Americans got.

21:39Joanne McNally:Well, like everything, there's no way I'm going to watch 20 something series of anything. Do you know what I mean? My attention span just wouldn't allow it. Everything kind of runs its course. And I think that's why she was locked into all these like extreme, the pressure was on, you know, because the models did say, they were like, look, to be fair, we think at the start she just started out trying to do something positive and then she just completely lost her way but like remember her chat show and plugging the Vaseline and all like she was giving everyone a car and she was like Vaseline for everyone and everyone's just getting a bejeweled pot of Vaseline like there's a lot of hypocrisy there and then she brought Shandy on her chat show and showed the scene of her having sex in the shower and she didn't want to see and she's never watched it she she's lost her she's lost her one of herself it's all very it's a little Ellen Degeneracy It's like you got mean for the sake of TV.

22:26Vogue Williams:It is an absolutely incredible watch. And the TV show went onto a fading network and it was their biggest hit. And it was massive, massive, massive. She was always trying to make it bigger and better and more different and push boundaries. But like stuff was like, like I'm in no way is this any way like that because I actually really enjoyed it. But imagine me standing on Grafton Street now in a bikini selling an ice cream. Like that just wouldn't happen now. but like back in the day that was our bread and butter that was our job

22:54Joanne McNally:yeah well like I wish I wish it had been mine sadly I didn't have the body for it but yes I'm agreeing with you like I was also an ice cream model back in the day I'm like god it was so tough being that hot when we were young wasn't it

23:05Vogue Williams:but in the industry though like I've been told to lose weight loads of times like and when I went over to London they're basically like you're a fat fuck there's no way you're going to be modeling at all over here and that was very much said to me like when I moved over there and even in Ireland I was too big for Ireland

23:21Joanne McNally:That is the business is notoriously fat phobic. But one of the women on the modeling show as well, she was kind of like she was thin by normal standards, but maybe not like model thin, which is kind of greyhound thin. But they kept her storyline was that she was putting on weight, that she wouldn't stop stuffing her face with bagels. And the editing would make it look like she was eating different bagels throughout the day, but it was the same bagel. Like she just ate one bagel a day. and then her photo shoot was gluttony and they dressed her with an elephant. Like it was just non-stop. Like I say, different time, but that only gets you so far.

24:01Joanne McNally:Different lens. I agree with that. But have some compassion when you're presented with it now and be like, do you know what? Yeah, it was, I apologize for this and I apologize for that. I lost my way. Instead of going, I sell ice cream in Australia now and I'm putting on series 26.

24:16Vogue Williams:But also it's good to remember that like with TV, like you don't see everything in real time. Like even with shows that I'm done, I'm a slab, anything like that, like all of it is edited in a specific way for a specific reason. So like... What are you trying to say, Vogue? No, I'm not trying to say anything. I'm just trying to say... And even in I'm a slab, you're filmed 24 hours a day. They can't possibly show everybody 24 hours of footage in a day. It's a 45 minute show. Like so everything gets edited. I look forward to seeing Cycle 26, Tyra.

24:44Joanne McNally:What else can we say? Can't wait to see what you do next on. I won't be apologising anyway, that's for sure. She's got a Vogue.

24:52Vogue Williams:She apologises like Vogue. She's actually slightly... I'm going to learn a thing or two from Tyra.

25:00Joanne McNally:I'm sorry you feel I've done something wrong, but I mean...

25:04Vogue Williams:I sent Spenny a message. That's up to you. I sent Spenny a message the other day. And I was like, do you know what? You're actually right. And you sent back the message. You're right with those big eyes. so I was like it's not about anything serious like fuck off yeah but he's like there's a crack

25:22Joanne McNally:she's cracked once she's turning a corner yeah she's agreed the coleslaw is out of date it's stage one it's stage one yeah

25:36Vogue Williams:even at the Brits the vlogging didn't stop I went around with the camera I've gotten all the backstage bits I got as many famous people as I could so sorry you're only allowed to talk about that on this podcast if you call it by its correct name. My vlog is called What Does She Even Do? No, you're vlogging. Guys, I can't do the vlogging. It's really embarrassing. It's bad enough that I'm going around vlogging. Okay, fine. I was vlogging at the Brits. At the Baptist. Do you know what? I have such good friends as well. I met my friend outside nursery town. She was like, oh my God, you're at the Baptist.

26:07Vogue Williams:I was like, what were you nominated for? I'm like, I was at the film Baptist. Between Joanne thinking I'm nominated for a Brit and then think I'm nominated. I'm like, I have the greatest friends. Everyone needs friends like I have that just think that I'm winning awards for dinner.

26:23Joanne McNally:You have a lot of strings to your bow. You have a lot of bows and a lot of strings. You're bowed and well strung.

26:29Vogue Williams:You're a well hung bow. You're a content creator now. You could get some sort of YouTube award. It's possible for the vlogs. I could. Well, thank you very much. We'll check out the vlog. It's all on there.

26:45Joanne McNally:Can I just say, we've added an extra Perth on April 23rd at 6.45pm and an extra Sydney on April 28th at 6.45pm. Do you know who's also going to Australia? Who? Garot. Is he? Check out Garot Farley as well if you haven't seen him with me or you've probably seen him on your own. He's fantastic.

27:03Vogue Williams:I have been threatening for years to get ready in a hotel room like I've seen everybody else do. instead I stay at home and there's three children crying around my feet I never get nice pictures I never get nice videos and I just feel like a stressed mess when I leave well the peninsula hotel offered me a room to get ready in yesterday fair play to them I will I was I couldn't actually stay the night because I have three children that I had to bring to school on Monday morning and I was my god you know when you're not you're not happy to get like Luisa so basically what happened was Luisa my manager was in the hotel with me so she took the room for the night and I've never been more like I wasn't happy for her at all I was not happy hold on can your kids not make their way to school once Joanne we considered it when I walked into that hotel I was like those little they can just can they miss the day can they just fend for themselves see they're not of a school bus like we used to have they know the way they've done it so many times how high end is this school surely they should have a little a bus or a little jet for the babies there's quite there's quite a lot of roads i can't really trust them yes but like you thought i was furious imagine what spencer was like when i said we're not staying there the room got so much use so alice who was doing my hair who's doing my makeup she stayed when we went to the baftas she enjoyed the room for the day while we were at the baftas sending me pictures from the bath she was watching Gordon Ramsay in the bath in this hotel room so it like got used so much but it was it was so nice to get ready there and to just be calm

28:45Joanne McNally:and relaxed this is my issue with award shows and why I I was gonna say why I don't really get involved I mean it's obviously because I'm also not nominated for anything but it's a lot of work it's a lot of fanfare it's a lot of grooming it's a whole it's obviously the legal to choosing clothes and stuff like that I find in my old age I'm CBA as the kids would say I just couldn't be arsed

29:13Vogue Williams:I have had to try and pry myself out of CBA because I literally I have this new mantra I'm like no I don't want to do that I go to bed at 8 o 'clock I'm not going in I'm not doing this. I don't care what anyone thinks. And I literally am like, you have to go out and do something. I can't just, I'll just wither away and die at home. I had to, I had to just step out a little bit, even if I had no, no real reason to be there.

29:37Joanne McNally:I was reading something the other day and it was saying, life isn't short. We just waste so much of it. We just waste so much of it. And it's so true. I waste so much of it. And when I read that article about it, do you know what? I texted my friend because we've been threatening to do this for years. So we're going away. We're going to do ayahuasca. in July. So expect epiphanies and bees.

29:56Vogue Williams:Now this better not

29:57Joanne McNally:go, we're going on holidays in July you and I. Yeah no no no I have Spain booked in, I have it all booked in. July is holidays and spirituality and epiphanies.

30:05Vogue Williams:So I'm standing at the there's loads of photo walls that you go to so I'm standing at the photo wall and I just feel like I just feel like such a sap I just do. And Spenny was like would you just relax and I was like oh my god cringe, cringe, cringe, cringe because you're there and like Kate Hudson's behind me and like Benicio Del Toro, Joanne, oh my god you've got to go out with him he is hot stuff stick him on the list there i would i'm putting him top of your list now benicio del toro the accent he seems like he'd be a bit of crap crack you've seen feeling loathing in oswego but so i'm standing in the photo wall anyway and because i was shitting myself i was just like because i know i have to do it but you're you're cringing because you're kind of like an imposter there in a way and spenny was like darling darling and I was like shut the fuck up I was just like trying to stay in the zone and anyway we got onto the photo and he was like babe like you didn't turn around Leonardo DiCaprio was half a foot away from me he touched my arm and I didn't even know because I didn't turn around

31:07Joanne McNally:I was kind of surprised he was there is that like a normal thing

31:12Vogue Williams:I didn't I think he was quite a big deal to have there but like I was just raging because I was like I was I know he'd look at me and think a corpse because I'm 40. But like, I just really wanted to see him up close. But then at the end of the night, I was standing right beside him again. He can't take it away from him. He's right.

31:32Joanne McNally:Yeah. I saw a really funny meme the other day. It was like, Leonardo DiCaprio distances himself from the 21st century since it turned 21.

31:43Joanne McNally:And he lost out to your man, Robert Arameo, who I cannot believe is from Yorkshire. I was convinced he was Scottish. He was in In Your Eyes with Eve Hewson, which was a fantastic film. He played a Glaswegian and he plays a Glaswegian in that film that he won the battle for by Tourette's. But congratulations to Robert Romeo because he won over Leonardo DiCaprio and I wouldn't say Leo was expecting that.

32:10Vogue Williams:No, but he won over Leonardo DiCaprio and he won over Timothee Chalamet. But he also, so he came up on stage first. he won the Rising Star Award. So he won the BAFTA Rising Star. And he came up and he was like, oh my God, I just, I didn't expect this. I haven't written a speech. I haven't written a speech. And he was like, and then like literally five minutes later, he comes back up and he wins Best Actor. And he was like, what the hell is going on? He didn't have a clue. Come on.

32:41Joanne McNally:I would be the same though. You think you jinx yourself. I think if you're up, like you come on, just something, you know, you got to have a little line ready to go. stick something to chat GPT on your way oh god he was do you know that do you know Sophie Willen she's a friend of mine I did Taskmaster with her yeah I was down at hers recently she has four BAFTAs shut up four BAFTAs from the series she wrote Alma's Not Normal four BAFTAs and I went down she just had a baby and I wanted a photo with the BAFTAs but obviously I had to do one with the baby so I didn't get one with the BAFTAs I said manners would suggest I need to go baby first BAFTA second and then I forgot about the BAFTAs she's four BAFTAs just sitting beside her fireplace I tell you what

33:23Vogue Williams:if I ever win a BAFTA it's BAFTA first baby second

33:26Joanne McNally:100 % in my household

33:27Vogue Williams:thank you thank you yeah thank you sorry Jessie Buckley won Best Actress I love her

33:34Joanne McNally:yeah she's great she's gonna get an Oscar I can tell you I think that's I think that's even I don't even I bet the bookies aren't even taking bets on that at this stage I'd say it's just

33:42Vogue Williams:well Timothée Chalamet I don't know if I'm saying his name right Timothée Chalamet is that right? just call him Tim That is what you always call him. It's Timothee Chalamet.

33:52Joanne McNally:It's the same as... I can't... Jacob Watts' face to this day. Elordi. Elordi. And even... I had a dream about him last night. Now, it wasn't... Yeah, I've been really wuthered by the wuthering heights of it all. How did you get to have a dream about him? How did that work? And it was weird because I was... Hold on, I'm going to get the names.

34:10Vogue Williams:We need to know what happened last night before you fell asleep. What was the sequence? How could it be repeated? do you remember what happened you on

34:22Joanne McNally:you want to dream about him too so I was I was Alison Oliver in the dream so Alison Oliver Oliver is the amazing Irish actress who plays Izzy Isabella in the in Wuthering Heights I was her but I was me you know the way dreams always make sense and I was is she the one with the horse reins that I've heard yes yeah yeah yeah yeah no no no it wasn't it wasn't that now i was there was no there was no bondage but me and jacob there was a vibe and we were kind of scoring and i don't know look i've been very taken with him he's 28 years of age 28 years of age i really need to move on i've gone fully out on to copy but i mean margaret robbie's 35 and she do you know that margaret robbie used to

35:04Vogue Williams:drink in infernos and clapham yes i imagine bumping into her there sorry jacob lord he's 28 i'm sorry that's allowed I'm 40 if Svenny and I break up and Jacob Elordi is around he's 6 foot 5 28 it doesn't matter and he's 28 he's probably not even

35:24Joanne McNally:finished growing yet he could probably get to 7 foot 3

35:27Vogue Williams:6 foot 7 by the end of it but do you know who's the biggest ride ever is Paul Maskell's girlfriend oh yeah oh my she's a singer right Gracie Abe Gracie Abrams

35:41Joanne McNally:Was Paul Meskel really on his phone or was that a bit?

35:45Vogue Williams:Guys it's three hours long

35:46Joanne McNally:Oh my god I had to take a Ritalin to go and see The Crucible at the weekend in Dublin and it was fantastic Gina Costigan a friend of mine was in and she was absolutely brilliant and actually I texted Gina to congratulate her after and who did I text? Your aunt My Gina Yeah by accident

36:00Vogue Williams:who never came back to me Yeah because she probably thought you'd lost the plot she's like I'll let her off I'll leave her time to delete it

36:06Joanne McNally:I said congratulations on stealing the show on The Crucible Gina so she was like excuse me? Yeah. What time was his sent? Gina, the actress, was like, that rude bitch came and she never even commented on the fact that she'd watched me on stage for three hours.

36:26Joanne McNally:Have you seen the AI that they did to me on the thumbnail?

36:29Vogue Williams:I was like, God, I did a great job on my makeup that day. I didn't have a clue.

36:34Joanne McNally:We are AI'd within an inch of our lives. Now, this was not our creative choice. However, I don't hate us.

36:44Vogue Williams:I am desperate. It's my favorite thing on the internet right now is Punch the Monkey, who is a monkey that was born in a zoo in Japan. And basically his mother, I figured out why, his mother abandoned him and didn't want him. Bitch. Yeah. Sorry. His mother was like Sandra.

37:06Joanne McNally:Okay. Can I ask a question? how can you choose it said she showed a lack of interest in raising him like how can you just choose to bail out of raising your monkey baby can they not just keep them in the same enclosure no no no she wasn't

37:19Vogue Williams:I don't think she was kicking him no they were all they've all had a little go so he's this little baby monkey and basically his mom didn't want him at birth but there were reasons the mother didn't want him because she's a young mother first of all she wants to get an education she wants to she needs to go out there and start working living on travel yeah she's one of the priorities he was born during a heat wave so that's a really high stress environment for monkeys and they just feel like they have to protect themselves I've been pregnant in a heat wave

37:48Joanne McNally:if I gave birth in a heat wave there's no way in hell I'm keeping it I can tell you that much

37:53Vogue Williams:I didn't talk to Gigi for three weeks she was born at the end of July and I'm not looking at her until it gets colder

37:57Joanne McNally:mummy's tanning

38:01Vogue Williams:but they basically said that the monkey wouldn't survive in a usual environment so the mum was just like see you later it's a heat wave you can just and anyway so there's this monkey the world has fallen in love with him because basically the other monkeys keep hitting him and scrapping him so the zookeepers gave him I know

38:17Joanne McNally:it's awful like it's like and do you know what the gas thing is the vulnerability of animals like I was this weekend I watched a documentary about a woman who was found dead in a bin and it didn't move me anything like watching a monkey get punched in a zoo now I know I feel very sorry for the woman in the bin I'm just saying there's something about an animal because the absolute vulnerability of them it's I would be terrible on the Serengeti I wouldn't last a second we're not able for the animal world it's too much

38:44Vogue Williams:I just think as well because he's going over looking for a hug which makes it worse like he's not looking for food

38:50Joanne McNally:he has food I assume they called him punch after he got punched they didn't just call him punch first and just set him up for failure

38:56Vogue Williams:no they didn't set him up for failure they've been trying to make it work that's why they gave him that teddy from Ikea so they gave him a monkey teddy which he's using as a bit of comfort and he dragged it around and some of the monkeys have been trying to take the teddy away from him, do you have? And he didn't even hump the orangutan.

39:11Joanne McNally:That shows great strength. I've never seen an animal have a teddy like that and not hump it.

39:17Vogue Williams:What a guy. But also, he got a little hug off one of the monkeys. He did get a little hug, but then he's been... He's been accepted now. We can all sleep again. Not fully accepted. He got beaten up again. Did he? What? Since we went on air? Yeah, well, it just keeps happening. I mean, there are animals. somebody offered 250 grand to take him and they're like no this is like he'll be fine like the soopers have to keep reminding people that he's gonna be okay but it's don't show us this stuff

39:45Joanne McNally:we can't cope with this also they're like oh it's fine he's mentally strong he's not mentally strong he's shaking attached to an orangutan teddy bear from ikea he's not that's not showing resilience that's like watching someone dangle off the side of a bridge and be like oh yeah they're very positive about their future it doesn't make any sense so basically what they're saying is because

40:04Vogue Williams:he had no maternal guidance to help him like infiltrate the group that they're all being a bit mean to him and beating him up. Like I'd love to have Punch at home. I love this story. I feel like it's going to have a happy ending because they have to make it have a happy ending. If they turn around and say Punch has been punched to death, everyone's going to be absolutely raging and we won't forget it.

40:23Joanne McNally:I think it's just the monkey world. I think we just need to accept that that's how they roll. Also, do you know what it made me? It made me appreciate the talent of making Irish nicknames. Punch is very lazy. If that was an Irish monkey, it'd be called like Tobler-Antoni or something like on his toddler tone he would have had something a little bit more creative than just punch

40:38Vogue Williams:my mum calls Neil Billy

40:41Joanne McNally:because he's a rival

40:42Vogue Williams:Billy no mates oh yeah fine

40:44Joanne McNally:that makes more sense

40:45Vogue Williams:but Neil actually has loads of friends but sometimes she'll just turn around if he's doing something on his own you okay there Billy

40:52Joanne McNally:the biggest gaslighter in house Sandra Wilson

40:56Vogue Williams:well Alexander you know Alexander gets called Ray because he's her Ray of sunshine I'm like who the fuck is Ray

41:01Joanne McNally:it's ridiculous Sandra You need to start loving your children equally, Sandra. That's what I would say to her if I met her. Final honorary mention. If you don't mind, I found a new role model. Her name is Danika Mason. She is an Australian sports reporter. Jo, are you aware of Danika? No, please make me aware. And the great work she's doing for sports. Danika Mason. Poor Danika. Very well respected sports journalist. she's over in Milan reporting on the Winter Olympics and she's doing these live, you know, coming to you live from blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And she'd taken a drink, as we'd say, in the business.

41:44Joanne McNally:She's taken a lot of drinks, John. Well, she's saying she'd taken one drink, I said, Danica. From one lush to another. That's not a one drink situation, honey. That's a six. That's a six drinker, I would say. She was slurring her words, talking about iguanas, making no sense. Talking about the price of coffee. the price of coffee in America and Australia I was like oh my god please no Danika and then of course once they closed off their report they're like oh she seems tired and fatigued exhausted as we'd all that's usually the real but anyway she came on after it the next day and she apologised and she's like you know it's not the standard I help myself do and then she's like I hadn't had any dinner it was all very girl math she was like I'm really high up in the altitude like no dinner and it was ill to what I was like Danika and then she's but I take full accountability.

42:32Joanne McNally:This is Tyra Codage. You haven't really taken full accountability yet. You had a nice time.

42:38Vogue Williams:You had a nice time.

42:39Joanne McNally:That's all that matters. You had a nice day and then you remembered. Fuck. I remember once, I remember when I was doing that run at Vicar Streets, one Vicar Streets somehow didn't get put in the calendar, which is, you know, it just didn't get, I woke up that day and I was, it was just, I am like, I'm like your man from fucking. Anchorman. Yeah, Robert, Ron Burgundy. If it's not in the calendar, I don't go. Yeah. And I got it. I've been out on a boozy lunch with my friends and I got a call from the stage manager to be like, where are you? And I was like, I'm living my life, but where are you? And she's like, you're on tonight.

43:17Joanne McNally:And no more than Danika Mason. You hot footed it over there. It was touch and go. It was touch and go. Through no fault of my own, it was touch and go. but yeah so I feel you Danika and I'd like to personally invite you to Penafile in Australia because I feel like you're a bit of me

43:34Vogue Williams:I think you should be good crying, remember I did Dancing with the Stars in Australia and you're meant to do your leaving interview and I pulled a Danika, I got really pissed and I did you? Yeah I stayed up till like three in the morning and I was like well I can't I can't leave here in an hour to go to a TV station, I'm completely deranged so I was like the best thing to do is not to go on telly which I felt like was the best thing to do. But then like everyone turned against me and they were like this disgrace. And then in Ireland, they were like, oh, great. You're just like letting them all think that that's what we're like over here.

44:08Vogue Williams:And I was like, oh, Jesus. That's so not like you though. No, no. Well, you know what happens when once, that's why I don't like to start having a drink because if I have a drink, there might be a lot more drinks after that drink. So I kind of avoid it.

44:26Joanne McNally:That's it for this week. As always, you can check my tour out on joannmcly.com and you can check Vlogs out on vloggingvlog.com. Jo Adiwell has nothing to offer. Okay. Thanks, everybody. See you next time.

45:05Vogue Williams:This has been a Global Player original production.