Homeschooling, Garlic Breath & Arguments

7:06Vogue Williams:yeah yeah it is nice I've even been telling them how disappointed you are.

7:09Joanne McNally:No, no, I haven't. I haven't even involved. I haven't even told them about the surrogacy thing. I'm just like, let Vogue have her moment. I'm like, just have another baby.

7:18Vogue Williams:And I... People are, I see when people say it to me now, they're like, oh my God, congrats. And I know they're looking at me like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Four kids. What the fuck?

7:28Joanne McNally:I got a very strange message from a woman about you having a fourth child. And you know that we talk about this projection that all the time people are kind of projecting their own issues, traumas, insecurities, paranoias, whatever. And the message was something along the lines of, why is she doing this? Is she trying to show off? And I was like, I didn't, obviously didn't engage with the message. I think your fertility triggered her in a way, which I don't, I don't know. I read it immediately and I was like, oh, this woman has obviously had some, you know, issues along the way. And she's kind of...

8:03Vogue Williams:No, Joanne, she's completely right. That's why I've had a fourth child. I only wanted to show off.

8:08Joanne McNally:It's a flex. There's literally no other reason except for the fact that I wanted to show off. It's a fertility flex. It's a fertility flex. And my God, you've made your point.

8:22Vogue Williams:Your point has been made.

8:25Joanne McNally:This woman's got eggs for days.

8:29Vogue Williams:No, we were on a walk and Spenny was like, oh, you're probably going to want to have. I was talking about Miriam O 'Callaghan who had seven kids eight I think it's eight Joe will you fact check that how many kids Miriam O 'Callaghan

8:41Joanne McNally:do you know she sent me a beautiful letter

8:43Vogue Williams:she's very nice isn't she

8:44Joanne McNally:she's so kind and I actually must get on to her because I only actually found the letter a week ago eight it went into the tour bag yeah eight eight eight four girls four boys

8:52Vogue Williams:oh my well I was talking to Spenny about Miriam O 'Callaghan because I was talking about how brilliant she was Miriam

8:58Joanne McNally:just for context Vogue now that you're big into the context

9:01Vogue Williams:Next, Miriam is. Miriam is a huge TV and radio presenter in Ireland. She's really clever.

9:08Joanne McNally:And she is just. We love her.

9:10Vogue Williams:She's just. Yeah, we love her. So she. So we were talking about her and I was like, no, God, no, we wouldn't have any more kids. And he started telling me that I had said that when I was pregnant the last time. And I was like, well, that's not true. Because I've always said I wanted four. Even I know that. I said, no. Yeah. I had a phase where I said, no, three is enough. And then I decided, no, actually, I do want four. because I hate myself and I don't want any time alone for myself ever again.

9:36Joanne McNally:As someone who comes from a smallish family, I've one brother who I adore and a mother who I adore. But like, I would love if there was thousands of us. Like I would.

9:45Vogue Williams:You know, when you're full to the brim, I know that I'm nearly full to the brim. I've started giving you my she's clothes. I'm going to be like more like you. I'm going to get more dogs. I'm getting a cat because the kids want a cat. Considering ducks because there's a pond I didn't see in the garden of our house. and if it is tiny and I know that the ducks will fly away but still I'm going to get the ducks

10:04Joanne McNally:Oh my god imagine just discovering a pond after you purchase the house like

10:10Vogue Williams:it's like the secret garden It's a sink it kind of looks

10:14Joanne McNally:a bit like a sink This is very Gordon Ramsey coated Well the woman who owned her house

10:20Vogue Williams:before us loved gardening and she won all these gardening awards and like we have pictures of the garden when she was like when it was at its best and everything obviously now it's a bit overgrown but we're going to keep all the like cool stuff that she's planted and trees and everything like that I think that's the same

10:35Joanne McNally:I think that's the same thing to do like I have as you know just bought a house literally four minutes from me

10:43Vogue Williams:absolutely thrilled

10:43Joanne McNally:yeah literally when are you going to move in? I'm a year away well I think I'm going to be in in June ish now it's all been a bit hectic obviously I haven't been there and whatever but yeah I think it's June-ish it's happening yeah what was my point what were you saying about the house

11:00Vogue Williams:we went to our new house our build started yesterday and I went over to the house to meet the builders now I was will you get

11:09Joanne McNally:will you get a flower wall

11:13Vogue Williams:so for your content of course

11:14Joanne McNally:I'm a basic bitch I'd like a flower wall if that's possible just some hydrangeas and a ring light that's all I need and I can go out with art my garden I've seen your garden and it is it's like art my garden's lovely but it's just it's just a normal little garden but I would like I'd like a flower wall there if I can make some requests

11:30Vogue Williams:Why don't I get you a flower wall for your garden and that could be your moving in peasant No no let's keep the tack let's keep the tack up in yours Okay fine we'll keep all the only oh I can't wait for my fake flower wall but I went over and I was introducing myself to the builders and I kind of went into the garden with Sven and I was like fuck's sake like I kind of I expected to see a crane or like a bulldozer or something there's nothing they're ripping up a floor and he was like did you honestly think they were just going to come in on the first day and knock out the back of the house. And I was like, yes, I did.

12:00Vogue Williams:Yes, yes.

12:01Joanne McNally:I was expecting serious movement.

12:04Vogue Williams:I've moved in. I've half packed. Should I change the kids' school? Then I had to get back onto the school. And I was like, sorry, lads. I'm after going a bit prematurely. I have to put them back in for another year.

12:16Joanne McNally:Would you not homeschool them? That's all the trad wives are doing. They seem to be very happy. You know what?

12:21Vogue Williams:I have so much time on my hands that I would love to homeschool the kids. I'll help.

12:26Joanne McNally:I also am the same. I have a lot of time on my hands and I'd love to come down and teach them civics and Greek and Roman mythology studies.

12:38Vogue Williams:You are very civicky. You're a civics teacher.

12:40Joanne McNally:And as you know, I have a first class degree in sociology, just to put that out there once again. And happy to lean in and teach, what one's mine? Otto about sociology. Otto is yours? Yeah.

12:54Vogue Williams:Okay.

12:54Joanne McNally:If I was homeschooling my children, it would just be wall to wall nature tables and that would be the height of it they'd come out they'd know what an acorn was but they couldn't read

13:07Joanne McNally:I need to lick my wounds

13:10Vogue Williams:what's happened?

13:11Joanne McNally:I just had a weird show

13:12Vogue Williams:why? no I wouldn't say you did I had a weird show unless you took out like a machete or something and threatened the audience besides that I don't think it could have gone that far well that's exactly what I did okay

13:23Joanne McNally:it does sound like something you might do That is what I did. Yeah. I took a machete out. I tried to open the show with a machete and it didn't go down well. What happened? So I'll tell you, it was grand, but I'm just off stage. So I'm kind of, it's in my soul. Like it's in my DNA. I'm just fucking tired, I think, to be honest. It's like Tuesday night in Sydney. Anyway, I've had like a wonderful tour, Sydney and Australia, New Zealand. And then tonight I was just really, really tired. And you know when you're like, it's fine, but I don't feel like I'm firing on all cylinders. So then I do that very Irish thing where when anyone has tagged me saying, oh, nice show, I've written back on.

14:03Vogue Williams:I'm so sorry about that. I was really, really tired.

14:05Joanne McNally:And they're like, oh God, I really don't need this much information. I've forgotten. I've forgotten I was there.

14:11Vogue Williams:They had a nice time. Stop fucking ruining it for yourself.

14:14Joanne McNally:I literally forgot I was there, Geron. I've moved on with my life. And I'm like, no, no, I can only apologize. I can only apologize.

14:20Vogue Williams:I was quite tired.

14:22Joanne McNally:I was quite tired. Do you know when you're like, just you're like I just couldn't get the energy in me so I apologise it was grand it was fine no one left her not that I could see anyway

14:33Vogue Williams:my friend went to see you in Sydney and first of all Grace thank you for not asking me to ask Joanne for a ticket she bought tickets for an square usually I'll have people I'm like I don't get back to certain people I'm like I'm not asking her for a ticket I'm just not doing it but even though you kindly give some like fair play Grace she said she had a great time yeah that's nice she had a great time

14:54Joanne McNally:she didn't go to the Tuesday snail show

14:56Vogue Williams:it was like an

14:57Joanne McNally:out of body experience I can't explain it it was mad and then of course I rang Rick my agent after and I was like and he was like stop stop this stop self-flagellating but I think do you know what

15:11Vogue Williams:Rick is like the complete wrong person to ring he is such a boy's blokey boy he'd be like oh god why is she crying

15:19Joanne McNally:no he was actually fine no I didn't cry it wasn't that bad but he was like do you know what there's always one week show and a tour and you've just had it and that's it but I think it's like do you know when you have a cold sore on your face and you meet someone and you're like you have to say that you're like oh I know I have a cold sore do you ever get that show where you're like

15:37Vogue Williams:I'm spotting my face do you not know

15:40Joanne McNally:you know you get ahead of it you get ahead of it you get ahead of it

15:43Vogue Williams:yeah I know I know yeah so the show was fine

15:46Joanne McNally:but it wasn't to what I would like it to be at one point I was like I would literally I would lie down here on the ground now and just nap. And I had two Red Bulls before I went on. Anyway, tomorrow's a different day. I have a double show tomorrow and then I'm gone. I'm gone back to the UK. And it was fine. I don't want to make out like it was dog shit. It was grand. But I was tired. I was tired. I'm tired.

16:06Vogue Williams:Well, you're going to have a lovely sleep tonight. The Red Bull will kick in in about four minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I've ordered a barrel of Ritalin

16:14Joanne McNally:for tomorrow for the double.

16:16Vogue Williams:Yeah. I've been going around apologizing for my breath all day because do you ever see people when they go, oh, fuck. Like even doing this podcast, I feel a bit ill because like it's bouncing off the mic and I can smell it myself. There is an odor through the screen. Sorry, folks.

16:31Joanne McNally:There is an odor through the screen.

16:32Vogue Williams:I basically, do you ever see all those people and they go wild garlic picking in Ireland? There's always someone. No. Fulham Keane, one of our friends, are always out garlic picking. It's the wild garlic picking season. Now, I went and picked mine in the nice shop down the road, but I put it on my eggs this morning and fuck, it's like, Like it's the biggest stench. Like there's no, this is like a four-dayer, I'd say.

16:56Joanne McNally:Are you foraging your own garlic? Or am I so tired? Yeah, in Bailey and Sage. Oh, sorry, fine. I missed that bit.

17:05Vogue Williams:Yes, I went wild garlic picking in Bailey and Sage.

17:08Joanne McNally:Sorry, I missed that bit. My ears are collapsing with the tiredness. I missed that bit. Sorry, sorry. Well, no, sorry, that is still foraging. It is. I got my own. and that shop has a lovely, they'll give you a lovely basket. It's a lovely basket experience.

17:24Vogue Williams:Sorry, do you know they charge like 22 quid for almonds in there? For a bag of almonds. 22 quid.

17:29Joanne McNally:Sorry, a bag of what? Spenny's mom goes in there. Sorry, a bag of what?

17:33Vogue Williams:Of what? Almonds. We know you say almonds, but everyone said that you were wrong. Joe, say almonds. Well, no, I'm not the arbiter. I'm not the judge. I say almonds, but that doesn't mean I'm right or wrong.

17:46Joanne McNally:Sorry, I do realise we are at the stage of there's a heavy repetitiveness of this podcast because we're 28 years in. This is ringing a bell. But you do realise that no one says almonds, only American.

18:00Vogue Williams:Everybody. No, almonds? Almond? Where's the L gone? Why have you just forgotten about the L? It's silent. It's not a silent L. It's not. I think what we discovered last time is, Joanne, you do side with the Americans, whereas we are the other side How dare you?

18:19Joanne McNally:Don't throw me down that MAGA pipeline I know exactly what you're doing Jo I have an American tour coming up I am very proud Trump

18:27Vogue Williams:We can Gosh what a revelation

18:31Joanne McNally:Don't you dare tar us all with that book While I'm talking about that Salt Lake City Las Vegas Denver San Francisco All on sale Thank you All on sale Yes and Joanne

18:43Vogue Williams:likes to say Basil as well Okay just so we know put it out there herbs

18:47Joanne McNally:I don't believe in the H I don't believe in the H she has an herb speaking of spelling can I actually ask you a question so

18:55Vogue Williams:no I can't spell jewellery I say jewels well no

18:58Joanne McNally:no one can spell jewellery it makes no sense

19:01Vogue Williams:jewellery I can't spell spaghetti or disappointed Miss oh no I was thinking about that poem from Matilda but that's difficulty no I can spell difficulty you know

19:12Joanne McNally:I can I can obviously spell Mississippi because that obviously comes with a jingle and a tune. But I did a TV show over here yesterday. Yeah. Called The Spelling Bee by Guy Montgomery. It is a big show in Australia. And ultimately it is comedians spelling shit, right? So I was like, obviously, I'd love to join. I have a degree in English. Fire, fire, fire. I love how Joanne's degrees just morph.

19:42Vogue Williams:They morph into different philosophy to English. Arts. Arts. No, no. Go on anyway.

19:47Joanne McNally:No, no, not philosophy, Vogue, but you can check the stats. Sociology image. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay. I read a philosophy magazine. It's not quite the same thing. And a lot of memes. So anyway, straight out of the bat, they have the show. It's actually a really good crack. They have three pots that you can pick from. There's like the really easy pot, the middle of the road pot, and then there's like the kind of the smug barrel if you think you're like super smart. So I was like, okay, okay. I have a degree

20:17Vogue Williams:You went smug

20:18Joanne McNally:No I didn't actually I played it safe And I went mid First question

20:22Vogue Williams:I think I'd go smug I'm actually good at spelling

20:24Joanne McNally:You would have struggled I'm sorry now And this is no That's no commentary Okay well what was the first question

20:29Vogue Williams:I'll answer it right now Well this is what I was going to ask you Because I

20:34Joanne McNally:Was like Oh god This will be Now in fairness I also do know My IQ Know more than a lot of things in my life I'd just rather not know what it is

20:42Vogue Williams:It's enough It's enough

20:43Joanne McNally:Caterpillar

20:44Vogue Williams:Oh, you couldn't spell that?

20:46Joanne McNally:Spell caterpillar, please. C-A-T-E-R-P-I-L-L-A-R. Yeah, 100%, yeah. When I say my brain shat itself. What the hell did you spell it?

21:01Vogue Williams:No, Joanne.

21:03Joanne McNally:Live on Australian TV. Oh my God.

21:08Vogue Williams:42-year-old woman.

21:09Joanne McNally:Without any shade.

21:11Vogue Williams:Solely for a video, without any shade. I'm going to record Theodore spelling caterpillar later.

21:17Joanne McNally:You should. You should. Because I deserve that. I deserve it. It was mental. My whole brain I do say and I know I'm repeating myself I am very tired at the moment. I am working. There's a lot going on. But even that I don't think I can defend. I misspelled cat. So I was like okay well cat I've got that. I've got that thing.

21:40Vogue Williams:I said C-A-T

21:41Joanne McNally:and he was expecting like a round of applause from the audience. They're just like, yeah, bitch. We all know that. Not just a pretty face.

21:54Joanne McNally:You can't have it all. Look at me. Look at me. C-A-T. You know the rest. You know the rest. You know how it goes. Yeah, you take it from here, guy. And then I honestly don't know what I said. I don't know what I said. I think I actually said you or. I don't know. I think I said no do you know what I think I said I think I said C-A-T no do you know what I'm actually looking at it now I cannot I cannot even remember how I fucked it up

22:23Vogue Williams:it's mental how bad it was an out of body

22:24Joanne McNally:when is this air please

22:28Vogue Williams:oh it gets worse I'm finally gonna get my comeuppance from do you know what we're thinking about doing a new tour this sounds like a great piece of content for the tour well getting people a little spelling bee

22:40Joanne McNally:a spelling bee I have to say the show was a great crack. It was so much fun. Hat. Spell hat. Yeah. I was like, so then I was like, because one guy, when we opened the show, he was kind of, you know, the way they ask you questions at the start of a show and they're like, oh, so like, you know, in Ireland, he was kind of taking the piss. He's like, you know, is your language different there? And I was very like, how dare you? This is all very racist coded and how dare you? Obviously, are you going to ask us if we have Wi-Fi? Like, obviously we spell like you do. One, two, skip a few. the second I fucked up Caterpillar I was like it's different in Ireland

23:17Joanne McNally:that's how we spell it in Ireland

23:18Vogue Williams:that's how we spell it in Ireland stick to your guns

23:21Joanne McNally:yeah we're our own ethnicity and it's different in our country I got nearly every single word except the last round which was literally like cat mat sat every word because I feel like because when you're young you're writing and you're taking it in and you're like it's just the muscle is gone

23:41Vogue Williams:Don't listen. You don't need to feel bad about it. Like I only got it because I'm such an avid reader. So I see these words crop up for me. She inhales, inhales books.

23:50Joanne McNally:I made a holy show of myself.

23:55Vogue Williams:A holy show. I know, I know how that feels when you go on a show and you don't, you answer something stupidly. But you're also on a show and you're under pressure. It's not the same as spelling caterpillar amongst friends.

24:14Joanne McNally:The Devil Wears Prada preview.

24:18Vogue Williams:Absolutely. Oh, thank God. Exactly what you want it to be. Thank God. Really funny. I'm even more in love with Meryl Streep. The whole thing just worked seamlessly. But like, a premiere is a premiere. I have a love-hate relationship with them because I love the idea of going and getting dressed up and having fun. But then I just feel like a pleb when I'm there. because I think if you're not in the movie like just go away you know what I mean that's kind of what I feel about like all of us I think it's just should be about the movie people but like then we just kind of pop along and like yeah but they want you there

24:52Joanne McNally:they want people there for press and stuff for Getty Images and like that's like you're invited and you're supposed to be there like you can't feel bad about that they've invited you

25:01Vogue Williams:no I know I know but anyway

25:02Joanne McNally:I didn't get the plot well you were always invited sure when I got invited first

25:08Vogue Williams:my agent was like oh you have a plus one and I was like oh cool I'll ask Joanne and he was like would you not you don't think of Aston Spenny and I was like Jesus Christ he didn't even cross my mind did you think did you think about me first I thought about you first and my agent was like that's so cute what he didn't I was like no he didn't even cross my mind he wasn't even second on the list that is so nice

25:27Joanne McNally:aw did he go in the end he did there he is how weird is that there he is

25:33Vogue Williams:okay I'm just recording

25:36Joanne McNally:hey Chica

25:37Vogue Williams:I think so I'd stay away.

25:38Joanne McNally:What do I stink of? He's got his pants on for once. That's a relief.

25:41Vogue Williams:He does have his pants on. That's because he has sore balls because he ran the London Marathon.

25:46Joanne McNally:Yes. Which I know I went on a bit last year,

25:48Vogue Williams:but if you're ever in London or anywhere that has a marathon on, the atmosphere is actually so much crack. It's really, really nice to go to. But I was there, obviously, to see Sven.

25:58Joanne McNally:And so we're tracking him. Did he win? Did he win?

26:02Vogue Williams:Do you know somebody broke a sub two-hour marathon?

26:06Joanne McNally:Now, Vogue, you have to remember who you're speaking to because you realise this is jibber-jabber to myself.

26:10Vogue Williams:He broke the world record for the fastest marathon ever run. His name is Sebastian Saul. He ran it in one hour, 59 minutes, 30 seconds. Like, that is 26, what is it, 26.2 miles? What is it in kilometres? 43 kilometres? I'm having a fucking clue. For instance, it takes me nearly an hour to do 10 kilometres.

26:29Joanne McNally:If the man leaves the station at 9am and runs 54 kilometres, what time does he arrive, Jo? just in time I'd have thought sorry folk I have a question was he wearing a running vest who was who wearing a running vest your man who won the thing was he wearing a running vest oh so he's allowed to wear a running vest

26:46Vogue Williams:I see oh no oh sorry that's not a running vest you would suggest that's you you're talking about a tank top I thought no Joanne he is he is a record breaking runner he wasn't going around with a running vest and I've no problem where is Keith it's

27:02Joanne McNally:it's for people

27:03Vogue Williams:who are going on a 5k run and they're bringing a litre of water. You do not need a litre of water for a 5k run. You don't need any water.

27:16Joanne McNally:You don't know what I need. You don't know what I need. I do.

27:20Vogue Williams:And it's not that. Spenny, on the other hand, so he ran by me and I was like, hurry up, you're going to break sub three. Now he claims he wasn't trying to break anything. He was taking selfies with people along the way. he ran it in three hours and four seconds

27:36Joanne McNally:is that see you're you're both reacting to that like I should have a what is that

27:42Vogue Williams:because he could have ran it in less than three hours if he had just sped up by six measly seconds that's all he had to speed up by

27:49Joanne McNally:oh he was going three hours he was being full princess Diana going around doing the photos and all so he lost his record is what you're saying he's a saint three

27:58Vogue Williams:and you want to see his balls Joe he is like I don't. He's... I take a look. I take a look. I don't want to see a ball. I take a look. Joanne, Spenny does this pose at night where he's watching the iPad. I'm going to send you a picture of his balls. It is the funniest fucking thing. Are they crying?

28:18Joanne McNally:Because he's lying on his side. Tiny.

28:20Vogue Williams:He's lying on his side watching his iPad and his balls are just poking out the back. I went and touched the wall. He nearly flew off. He literally flew off the bed. Is he in a lot of pain? Yeah. He has this huge, this like big long strip of just like raw flesh. Oh my God. I know. I got out the Elizabeth Arden. I was like, you'll have to put that in the balls. God love him. But I was thinking, you know, when you're, you know, when you're, when you're at the marathon, you're kind of like, maybe this seems great. Maybe I'll run the marathon. I've actually thought of reasons that I wouldn't run the marathon instead of reasons to run the marathon.

29:06Joanne McNally:Yeah, let's go.

29:07Vogue Williams:So reasons I wouldn't, I wouldn't like to take someone else's spot. It's very hard to get a spot at the London Marathon. And I think I just do selfless old me.

29:15Joanne McNally:I've seen you do the egg and spoon, Vogue. It's very impressive. I've seen you on Parent Sports Day. And if you're going to apply half that energy to the London Marathon, I've no doubt. Usain Bolt will be quaking in his knickers.

29:26Vogue Williams:This Sebastian fellow won't know what hit him. I'll fly by him. But I also don't like eating those gels that everybody has to eat. You know them? They just look, they're just not food. Not food. Yeah, yeah. I only like running 5K.

29:40Joanne McNally:Just at the very top of the race. And then they realise she's on like some sort of motorised skateboard. Like she's cheating.

29:48Vogue Williams:The image of Joanne going around with the running vest filled with gels for her 2K run.

29:55Joanne McNally:Vogue with her fairy, her fairy vest on, raising awareness. For washing pods.

30:03Vogue Williams:Keep out of reach of children.

30:06Joanne McNally:She's on the wheelie shoes. Do you know the shoes with the little wheels in them? Yeah, yeah.

30:13Vogue Williams:Well, you can do the London Marathon. Well, no, you can't actually. You have to use the hair. Well, I don't want to do it. I don't like really entering competitions unless I know I'm going to win. And I also don't like ever running more than 10K. so there are my reasons and I'm not going to do it I find even 10k

30:33Joanne McNally:like wildly impressive too much

30:37Vogue Williams:it's too much I haven't now I say I don't like running 10k I'm not saying I run 10k but I'm saying that would be my limit if I was to ever get up to 10k I don't get up to 10k I did 8k last year sometime

30:48Joanne McNally:we're not supposed to run that much like or otherwise why are Spencer's balls crying and disappearing like we're not supposed to run that much it's not normal Jo it's not natural it's not natural the bulls are not supposed to do that well he didn't

31:02Vogue Williams:to be honest you know this is a little normal lesson he doesn't wear underwear

31:05Joanne McNally:hunt and gather like hunt and gather that's an afternoon like that's a that's a gentle day out that's what we're supposed to do bit of hunting bit of gathering not running fucking 28 miles I'm sorry it's not normal it's not natural

31:19Vogue Williams:you talked to your man Sebastian who did it in under two hours which is incredibly impressive did you see there was a fella who ran with a fridge on his back we did do him before is he back? No no no no there's another fellow with a fridge on his back there was one guy who ran in full work gear including work shoes you know like those the brown shoes that all the lads used to wear the doobries running along in the no no no like proper brown like wedding shoes he ran and he did like a 3.28 marathon 3 hours 28 which is pretty impressive this is like that lad

31:50Joanne McNally:do you remember your man in the spinning class in the double denim I told you about him

31:56Vogue Williams:do you remember your man

31:56Joanne McNally:God love him I don't know what the deal was I don't know was it for charity was he raising awareness for Bewitched I don't know what he was doing but he was wearing double denim and he I think he was just like he was like I'm going to get involved in exercise but maybe he doesn't have the gear yet so he's probably like I'll see if I like it so he's the opposite of me whereas I'd buy a drum kit to see if I like playing the drums whereas he's like I'll try it first and see if I like it and then I'll buy a pair of shorts and a tank top or whatever but he was in double denim he was in a double shirt and jeans.

32:28Vogue Williams:I need an opinion. I need an opinion from both of you. Well, you've come to the right place. I've gotten loads. And from the listeners. I don't know how people feel about this, right? I agree. I don't know if the moon

32:41Joanne McNally:landing was true. Is that what you wanted to know?

32:44Vogue Williams:I'm kind of on the same page as you. I think that the Americans might have made that up just to beat the Russians. I don't know. Listen, we're not going to get into that. That's for another day. Very conspiracy. Now, I was in the gym the other day because I joined a gym. And thanks to the girl who mailed me. Some girl mailed me and she was like, is that supposed to be a back squat? And I wrote back, I said, no, I'm tap dancing. Fuck off. Oh, sorry.

33:07Joanne McNally:Sorry. I will defend you to the end of the earth when it comes to fitty bits. Fogue knows her fitty bits, okay? And if Fogue's squatting, she knows what she's doing. Don't be trawling her on the squatting.

33:21Vogue Williams:So there was a lad in the gym and he had no shoes on

33:25Joanne McNally:and he had no socks on. he was going around barefooted,

33:28Vogue Williams:trampling all his feet all over the gym. And I honestly, I nearly went and ratted on him and then I said, Vogue, you're not at home. You can't tell tales. You can't tell tales and you have to say it to him yourself or you don't say it at all. But how do you feel about it? I just don't like somebody going around with their bare Veruca feet.

33:47Joanne McNally:Well, Vogue, it's how interesting that you've brought this up. Because only recently, yeah bit of news coming your way bit of news only recently in Auckland and like I say I'm really trying to keep on top of my health on this tour so I am doing my little fitty bits as much as I can I wouldn't say I'm consistent but I'm dipping the toe in and out and when I say the toe I mean the bare naked toe one reason I've run out of socks fine second reason I'm wearing runners and when you're lifting weights and like I said, like you know yourself now I'm like fannying around, but it's very you're on runners that are kind of plushy, runny runners it's hard to lift the weights

34:37Vogue Williams:so yeah, I was in the gym

34:39Joanne McNally:in the hotel, in Auckland in my bare feet, living my life disgusting, irresponsible

34:50Vogue Williams:now, did I feel a little self conscious? Remember she got the trousers out in the plane. She had the trotters out in the plane as well. She just gets those feet

34:57Joanne McNally:out wherever the wind might take her. I did not.

35:01Vogue Williams:You admitted it to us on this very podcast. Not my bare feet. You had naked feet.

35:05Joanne McNally:Did I?

35:06Vogue Williams:You had nude feet.

35:07Joanne McNally:I do. Yeah, I do. I do think there's a slight neuro spice with me when it comes to socks and the feeling of them. And so, yeah, I probably did take my socks off on the flight. But you know what? Let that be a lesson to us all. I don't know what the lesson is but let it be you don't

35:26Vogue Williams:it's not a lesson to Joanne that's for sure she's wandering around the gym in her bare trotters I

35:33Joanne McNally:let it be a lesson I know you own a pair

35:35Vogue Williams:you own a pair of Metcons which are specific to weight training what are Metcons you're still going around they're the flat shoes for weight training and you have a pair because I have the same ones as you and you're still going around with your those little fluoro things

35:52Joanne McNally:yes Jesus I thought they were a little fashion shoe I've been wearing them with cloths

35:59Vogue Williams:they're a weight shoe are they they're a weight shoe I just like the colour

36:11Joanne McNally:so now that Australia and New Zealand has finished I'm obviously on my next pluggy Mac plug and my big plugs for this week are Canada Vancouver when he when he got to Canada so Vancouver October 17th and Toronto November 8th

36:30Vogue Williams:sorry last thing on the London Marathon did you see Peppa Pig someone ran in a Peppa Pig costume Daddy Pig and then everyone thought it was Harry Styles which now brings me on to the fact that Harry Styles sorry

36:44Joanne McNally:is engaged I can't I can't

36:49Vogue Williams:I mean I would just girls girls who are upset by this news don't be upset who's upset by that it's his first marriage okay a lot of hearts were broken when I got married the first time

37:04Joanne McNally:indeed I agree there was a lot of sad wet eyes and people were like oh my chance is over

37:12Vogue Williams:national day of mourning in Ireland national day of mourning the bank's closed they look like they might go the distance now I have to say they look like they have a very nice time together I know absolutely nothing about any of what they get up to but I just know when I see them thanks for confirming they look like they match you have no inside information

37:30Joanne McNally:I have nothing at all when I say and this is no shade to Harry Styles because obviously he's very talented and like we all start from somewhere but I can only imagine if you told Harry Styles when he was 17 in his plaid shirt and his skinny jeans on Britain's Got Talent you were going to marry Zoe Kravitz

37:54Vogue Williams:I mean

37:56Joanne McNally:come on the fuck like

37:59Vogue Williams:Lenny Kravitz was another one who doesn't know what to wear at the gym remember he was working out in his leather trousers full leather pants yeah very blatant

38:06Joanne McNally:and when I say no shade to Harry like he's a very talented man blah blah blah but like there's you know we're all the universe is our oyster is what I would say the universe is our oyster now I do

38:18Vogue Williams:I would fancy Harry Styles quite a lot. Do you not fancy him quite a lot? I do think he's gorgeous.

38:24Joanne McNally:He's got a vibe. He's got game, for sure. Yeah, of course he's got game.

38:27Vogue Williams:He was always, he was always my favourite. The one that I fancy the most. Did you hear about that scrap that Zayn and Louis had?

38:35Joanne McNally:Is that true? Do they punch each other in the face?

38:38Vogue Williams:So supposedly, like, again, we have no context behind this because we don't know them, but we will speculate. It's never stopped us before. Never stopped us before. At least we're admitting it before we're diving into it. But so basically they had a massive fight and then someone cut his head and they're both and he was concussed. They were doing a Netflix documentary filming a three part road trip. And there were the two of them were traveling around. I actually didn't know that they were like such good friends even before. But supposedly then Zane made a comment about Louis dead mom before punching him.

39:12Joanne McNally:Jesus.

39:13Vogue Williams:Yeah. And so there was a massive mill. And so Netflix pulled the whole thing. But I don't know. I feel like Zayn might be the kind of person who would go a little bit too far in a fight. You know, if you're having a little argument with somebody and someone takes a jugular, like what he did to Gigi Hadid's mom. I don't think he's a clean fighter. Oh my God. It would be like if you and me had a fight and you started slagging my mouth or something.

39:35Joanne McNally:If you and me had a fight. You just went really far with it. In a hypothetical land.

39:42Vogue Williams:I'm waiting for you to land, right? Which terminal are you in? You're dead.

39:48Joanne McNally:one of my favorite things when I do interviews in other territories is I love talking about so actually do you know what this is an interesting segue so you know the way we do our culture corner so yeah I'm in the middle of listening to Lena Dunham's new memoir Fame Sick right which is yeah I'm a big Lena Dunham fan even though I've been very clear I've never watched Girls because I'm saving it for my deathbed but I read everything she writes I watch all the clips I read the first book I listened to Sorry I have a brilliant idea

40:19Vogue Williams:Why don't you and I when you move into your new house we'll have a date night once a week I have never watched Girls and our date night once a week can be watched

40:26Joanne McNally:I'd love that but if we can do it

40:29Vogue Williams:in front of the flower wall

40:30Joanne McNally:I feel like my relationship towards Lena Dunham is I think she is like obviously incredibly talented and she was so young when she had all that success and the repercussions of having it, even in her own family when it came to her, was originally her sister and her brother, her parents, her creative relationships. Everything fell apart. She was going out with that guy Jack Watson's face. Everything fell apart. And as it transpired, the whole way along, she was also dealing with like massive fertility issues. She ended up having a hysterectomy. She said she had blood clots the size of fucking braces coming out.

41:10Joanne McNally:Like, yeah, really intense. But she talks about her, so your one, Jenny, who she had this creative relationship with, who started kind of, Girls was obviously Lena's baby, but Jenny was kind of her co-writer on it, or director on it, I'm not quite sure what the relationship was.

41:29Vogue Williams:Yeah. Hello?

41:37Joanne McNally:Oh, sorry.

41:39Vogue Williams:Are you being told to shut up? Yeah.

41:44Joanne McNally:Sorry, there was just a knock on the door there from someone to tell me to keep it down, which is like, whatever, fair enough, fine.

41:50Vogue Williams:And I think that you should treat her to one of your violent documentaries on loud as you're going to sleep tonight.

41:56Joanne McNally:Air crash investigation. She's obviously from somewhere in Dublin where she knows my accent's incredibly annoying. She's like, shut the fuck up. But the Lena Dunham memoir is unreal. Like, I'm a huge Lena fan. It's unreal. But she, hold on, oh yeah, sorry. She talks about this fallout with her creative partner, Jenny. And I think there is something really interesting about creative relationships or business relationships, which Vogue, me and you, you and I have. And Joe, we also have to a certain degree. And the honesty around the trickiness around those relationships at times. And I so whenever I do interviews and they ask about me and you, Vogue, I always tell them about arguments.

42:41Joanne McNally:I love it. I love it. because I'm like, it's real, it's honest. And then I talk about how quickly we get it back. And I say about the fact you're like a sister to me and that we always rein it back in. But I think working with people long term is tricky at times. Why should I start this?

42:55Vogue Williams:Yeah, but I also think though, even though that we have those fights, we do fight like I fight like you. I fight with you like I might fight with Amber. But I wouldn't fight with other people like that. I know. It's an honor.

43:08Joanne McNally:It's an honor. You're welcome. It's an honor to scrap with you. and also like in the words of Esther Perel it's rip and repair you rip and then you repair and the kind of the power is in how you repair and how quickly you repair and that is the power

43:23Vogue Williams:I actually have you wanted to segue into something good to watch I watched something that I've seen on like on Netflix the whole time and I've never bothered watching it and I sat down and I started season 2 weirdly because I was like I'm not going to like this I'm just going to watch one because I was waiting for Spend to come downstairs because we're watching the Murdoch thing which is actually really good on Netflix and so I put on season 2 episode 1 of The Furies oh my guy like it's about Tyson Fury and his wife and their family Paris Fury and they are I just I can see why it does so well oh my god they're so like their kids are just little mad jokes running around the place how she is able to keep so calm with so much noise going around Like she's got, they've got seven kids, I think.

44:13Vogue Williams:And he obviously is this massive fighter, but they're just really nice people. Like they're really, like they're absolutely minted, but they're just really normal, nice people. And I absolutely, 10 out of 10, I know everyone's probably already watching it. I saw it was number one on Netflix, so they probably don't need this boost, but I absolutely loved it. You're like, you're welcome, Furies. I feel like when I meet them now that I'm going to be like, hello.

44:37Joanne McNally:Well, I have two other recommendations. sorry I have one recommendation and one complaint okay my recommendation is I've just finished reading Half His Age by Jeanette McCurdy Jeanette McCurdy

44:51Vogue Williams:yeah

44:52Joanne McNally:I'm glad my mother died and it's fantastic and it's brilliant and it took me a beat to get into it but it's weird and sexy and hot and I love it but I have been waiting for White Lotus to come out for how long stupid yes I fucking did Helena Bamber Carter has just been either walked away from the project been removed from the project whatever I don't know whatever the spin is they're like it no longer works the character doesn't work for Helena Bowman Carter which means they're going to have to recast and rewrite that it's going to take longer it's going to take longer I don't know it's going to be 2036 by the time this comes out

45:27Vogue Williams:no no no no because they're already there they're already in France they're already shooting they're going to have to make it work I'll do it actors whoever else they get in

45:34Joanne McNally:yeah yeah yeah we'll all do it I don't know what happened Helena if you want to if you want to slip into the DMs the email is hello at mtgmpod.com feel free to share what the issues were

45:44Vogue Williams:we're here we'll keep it to ourselves we'll keep it to ourselves and if the Furies would like to get in touch yes we would like to spend some time with you so really? do we fancy the Furies? okay I'm on board I love the Furies oh god we better tell you we're on a break we're on we have a bonus to come and then we are on a break so we're just taking a two week break I mean it could have been planned better considering Joanne's been in Australia But anyway, the two week break starts after next week's bonus. Back Friday the 22nd of May. Oh my God, the 22nd of May.

46:18Joanne McNally:I have to keep my voice down. My neighbour hates me. That's you, Vogue. That's not me, you know. That's you. She can't hear me. It's you screaming. She can smell my breath.

46:33Joanne McNally:She's like, bang, bang, bang. There's a bang of garlic in there. I'm trying to sleep

46:39Vogue Williams:Oh God