In short
The hosts chat about a hit West End/Tudor play (“1536”), then pivot to internet reactions to Andrew Tate’s arrest/extradition and the hypocrisy of “toxic masculinity” influencers. They also discuss personal stories (holiday reading, theatre reviews, travel mishaps) and an advice segment about a 27-year-old Dublin listener choosing between a secure IT job and floristry/ceramics.
Guests
No external guests appear; the episode is hosted by Vichae Williams, Joanne McNally, Jo Attawell, and Ambrose Arne.
Key claims
“1536” is sold out and critically acclaimed despite a one-star Irish Times review; mood affects reviews. Tate’s arrest involves serious charges (trafficking/indecent images) and his outfit (tight shirt, pedal-pusher/capri trousers, tiny dancing shoes) is mocked as ridiculous hypocrisy.
Notable examples
Meryl Streep and Nicole Kidman allegedly attended “1536”; Grace Campbell’s humorous post about Tate’s trousers; listener advice about delaying house-buying for floristry.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOGlobal Production and Initial Thoughts
0:00 to 0:40
The episode begins with thoughts on pretentiousness in modern masculinity.
“They're all like posing in front of cars, they down down and all.”
Holiday Reading and Jealousy
0:54 to 1:50
The hosts discuss their holiday reading choices and feelings of jealousy over others' book selections.
“Because, anyway, for reasons beyond things I could help.”
Reviewing 'Yesteryear'
1:50 to 2:56
The hosts share their mixed feelings on the book 'Yesteryear' and the impact of its strange ending.
“The other two books, The Wedding People, I'm bittersweet.”
Theatre Experiences and Buddy System
2:56 to 3:42
Discussions about theatre visits and the joy of having theatre buddies.
“I'm not sure what I was expecting from it.”
The Play '1536' and Its Reception
3:42 to 5:12
The hosts discuss their experience watching the play '1536' and its mixed reviews, including a one-star review.
“with my new theatre buddy, Rosie Ramsey, in London.”
The Impact of Reviews on Art
5:12 to 6:30
A conversation about the significance of reviews and their subjective nature in the arts.
“Meryl Streep was there the night that I was there Nicole Kidman's going to it.”
Andrew Tate's Arrest and Public Perception
6:30 to 7:49
The hosts react to Andrew Tate's recent arrest and discuss the ridiculousness of his fashion choices.
“Well, I think as a theatre critic, I mean, you have to be above your mood, surely.”
Charges Against Andrew Tate
7:49 to 8:10
In-depth discussion on the serious charges against Andrew Tate and their implications.
“Well, now, it's not the first time, but I had a great laugh yesterday, as did the whole of the internet when Andrew Tate was arrested again with his brother.”
Fashion Critique of Andrew Tate
8:10 to 10:14
The hosts critique Andrew Tate's fashion choices while highlighting the irony in his persona.
“He looks like the kind of cheap, classless.”
Cultural Commentary on Masculinity
10:14 to 11:35
The hosts reflect on masculinity and societal expectations through a humorous lens.
“But in the same breath, the state of him.”
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Critique of Influence and Celebrity Culture
14:00 to 15:45
Discussing the dangers of Andrew Tate and Conor McGregor's influence.
“And I feel like I don't understand if the rest of the world doesn't actually know that yet or else they're just pretending that they don't know it.”
Personal Anecdotes and Reflections on Enjoyment
15:45 to 17:05
Personal stories about nightlife and pregnancy, reflecting on enjoyment and social experiences.
Emails and Listener Stories
17:05 to 19:25
Reading listener emails about career choices and personal dilemmas.
“And not to mention all the cost of the food.”
Advice on Career Crossroads
19:25 to 23:10
Giving advice to a listener contemplating a job change and balancing creativity with stability.
“All she gets is abuse and she did her best.”
Exploring the Balance of Work and Passion
23:10 to 27:45
Discussing the importance of pursuing passion while maintaining financial stability in life choices.
“And then thank God started making an income through doing something that I love.”
Discussion on Andrew Tate
28:00 to 28:10
A brief commentary about Andrew Tate and his character.
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:02Vogue:This is a global production.
0:04Joanne McNally:They're all like posing in front of cars, they down down and all. It's all just such pretense. So then if they build something real, like a bicep or an ab, they have to display it so they wear these skin tight clothes. Like your man, he looks like Shirley Bassey.
0:18Vogue:A little, tiny pair of dancing shoes and he looks completely ridiculous.
0:23Joanne McNally:I'm conscious of making him like a joke because I think he's actually way more dangerous than that.
0:28Vogue:It just makes me so sad that we're still there in the world, that somebody like that would be, like you'd be impressed by somebody like that.
0:39Vogue:Hello and welcome to My Therapist Ghosted Me with Vichae Williams, Joanne McNally, Jo Attawell and Ambrose Arne.
0:54Vogue:She's on display. she's only flashing her crotch it's like belly button down
1:03Joanne McNally:presenting herself to us it's Jo I feel sorry if this video gets taken down from YouTube we know why it's Jo I feel sorry for his innocent little eyes I know he's not ready for it
1:17Vogue:we are I am coming to you live from BAFA and I have one thing first of all. I was down at breakfast there shortly. For a short while. Because, anyway, for reasons beyond things I could help. But anyway, I was walking by this woman and I smiled because she was reading a book that I'd loved, that I'd read. Same thing happened yesterday. So if you're going on your holidays, three books, I'll have to put in Big Mouth in my own book because it would seem strange not to, but I didn't actually see anyone reading that. But still. The other two books, The Wedding People, I'm bittersweet. They're the two that I've seen people reading and I'm like, oh, you know, when you get a sting of, oh, I'm jealous you're reading that.
2:01Vogue:Oh, really? If anyone is looking for a good holiday read. Yeah, really, really good.
2:05Joanne McNally:I am listening to or reading with my ears, as I like to call it. Yesteryear.
2:12Vogue:Oh, yeah, I read that. Did you read it? What did you think? I thought I would like it more than I did. It was so strange towards the end that I was like, my head was kind of like, I don't get it. it just it kind of popped off, what do you think?
2:30Joanne McNally:Someone said to me someone messaged me saying the end was so weird, I have seven hours left and I'm going to finish it but I'm not like, I'm going to finish it and that means it's enjoyable enough that I'm going to finish it, you know what I mean? Because some books I'm just like, oh no, fuck that. But someone messaged me saying the end got so weird she was like, I felt like I was on fentanyl because I didn't know what was going on. So I'm going to keep going, I'm told it's worth finishing. I'm not sure what I was expecting from it. But I am going to finish it for sure. And I think it's the talk of the town.
3:03Joanne McNally:Do you know what I mean? When something's the talk of the town, you've got to talk with the town. If you want to talk with the town, you've got to talk the town talk. So I'm talking the town talk.
3:11Vogue:John, if you want to be a townsperson, you've got to get involved and get involved in the talk of the town. You know? Exactly. And I was the same as you. I feel like I got to a point where I was like, no, actually, I am going to finish it. because it started getting a bit weird and I was like, I don't really get this. And then I was like, no, no, no, just keep going. You don't have that long left. And actually I did, I enjoyed it. I didn't enjoy it as much as the other two books I had just mentioned previously.
3:37Joanne McNally:But it's very, very readable. Speaking of talking of the town of the town talk, I went to see the talk of the theatre town, 1536, with my new theatre buddy, Rosie Ramsey, in London.
3:52Vogue:I would like to be a theatre buddy please and thank you you weren't here
3:56Joanne McNally:you were on your hollypops fine you're away with that one I'll let you away with that one when you're back you can absolutely be part of the theatre buddy crew 100 % every time you go to the theatre
4:07Vogue:don't you just feel like you're like I'm going to go I have to go I'm going to go every couple of weeks I'm going to go to the theatre it's the best thing in the world
4:13Joanne McNally:well it's no not always sometimes I'm like wow that's two hours of my life I'm never going to get back wicked I am looking at you
4:23Joanne McNally:still watch the movie i love the movie flew by 10 minutes in and out as we know yeah so i went to see this play called 1536 and something interesting has just happened because like i could i'm always calling it 1832 but it's 1536 right and it was the talk of the town everyone was talking about it and i went and to say it didn't disappoint you know there's sometimes things you're like oh don't oversell it and then you go and you're expecting to have this like epiphany moment and it's going to be like the theatre like theatre equivalent of ayahuasca it was brilliant it was so so good I think it's sold out and I think it's run it's over but I'm sure it'll come back but interestingly just there Vogue while you were trying to fix your mic and I was looking down at my notes because I was trying to remember the name of the place so I googled it and I've just found a one star now to say this play has taken the town by storm Meryl Streep was there the night that I was there Nicole Kidman's going to it.
5:17Joanne McNally:It's fucking unbelievable. The acting's unbelievable. The storyline's unbelievable. It's like Tudor, it's around the time that they killed Anne Boylan. It's about the impact that happened on kind of the towns and villages around. And it's unbelievable. I found a one star review in the Irish Times because I literally just put in the name of the play. Now it's 2025, so unless I've made huge edits to it, but I doubt they were, by a man called Clive Davis in the Irish Times. 1536 review, terrible Tudor drama descends into TikTok's opera. Let this be a lesson to us all. Reviews. Hectic nonsense chaos.
5:53Joanne McNally:Except when I'm looking for five star reviews then of course it's the only thing that matters. But like that is so I'm so glad I saw that actually because that is just a lesson to, well me in particular because I'm in that industry where you get reviewed. One star. This thing has blown up. I'd say it's going to go to like Broadway. Probably has. Actually Google it Joe. Has 1536 been on Broadway? one star in the times in the Irish times gas no sorry the times English times how embarrassing but watch this space it is described as critically acclaimed and a hit well a lesson to us all you know reviewers but I do know I do agree with you pinch of salt pinch of salt giant pinch of Himalayan rock salt but we're a beat in salt for where I am a lesser five stars than that of course I'll blow it up and put it on my poster it's terrible it's terrible I'm a hypocrite
6:46Vogue:but it's very much it depends on someone's opinion but it also can depend on someone's mood like sometimes like I'll be listening back to the pod to the edit and I'll be in a real snot with it and I'll be in a bad mood and I'm like what was wrong with us that day and then I'll listen to it like I'll just I park it and I'm like I'll just listen to it again tomorrow when I'm not in a bad mood and all of a sudden I'm like God that was great totally totally it just depends you can be in a really bad mood and go and see a play and not be in the mood for it and just be like that's that's what will generate the opinion that you bring on it.
7:18Joanne McNally:Well, I think as a theatre critic, I mean, you have to be above your mood, surely. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think he reviewed it when it was in Edinburgh. So he's being an absolute snob about it. It was in Edinburgh, you see, where all great art starts. But you're also like, it's people's livelihood and people's work and people's art. Anyway, look, like I say, fantastic play. If you get a chance to see it, go and see it. and ignore the haters.
7:46Vogue:The world is coming to rights again. Well, now, it's not the first time, but I had a great laugh yesterday, as did the whole of the internet when Andrew Tate was arrested again with his brother. But not only was he arrested, which is a bit of a shit show, if you're getting arrested, you're like, oh, for fuck's sake, I'm arrested. And he's arrested on pretty high charges. And he was arrested in Miami. And he's been extradited to the UK. And he's being arrested on really, really, really, like trafficking and like indecent images like really really bad charges because that's the kind of person that he is but yeah the rig out he was arrested in the man was wearing the tightest shirt i think known to man it was a child's confirmation shirt teamed with a pair of pedal pushers trousers that were not ankle grazers they were pretty much just below the knee and a little tiny pair of dancing shoes and he looked completely ridiculous and it made me just feel like the world is on a slight little turn like I always worry about people like the Conor McGregors and the Andrew Tates of the world and I just really want them to just not be in anyone's eyesight not be like infecting anyone's brains anymore and it just brings me joy when I see things like that happen and it's like that's the dude that you follow that you think is cool like really smart enough
9:08Joanne McNally:I've said it before and I'll say it again Andrew Tate has always dressed like a man who just won a million pounds in a fruit machine. He looks like the kind of cheap, classless. Do you know those lads? Because he's like so the godfather of the whole manosphere culture. But they all recommend that they're all posing in front of cars they don't own and all. It's all just such pretense. So then if they build something real, like a bicep or an ab, they have to display it. so they wear these skin tight clothes. Like your man, he looks like Shirley Bassey. He looks like a Latino ballroom dancer. And so for a man who preaches masculinity and is kind of quite homophobic in his rants, to then be caught or arrested, dressed like...
10:00Joanne McNally:I've seen more masculine outfits on Housewives of Beverly Hills. And you're so right, folk, you're so right to mention the charges because sometimes you're like, we can, you know, slagging them off and all, but they're serious, serious charges. Like, very serious charges. But in the same breath, the state of him. The fucking state of him. The loafers. It looks like he's about to count you in. One, two, three, four. One, two, three, four. He makes Michael Flatley look butch. He does. I was horrified. Yeah, horrified.
10:35Vogue:I mean, did you see Grace Campbell? Did you see Grace? You must have seen Grace Campbell did a post about it. And I, oh my God, she did such a funny video of it. And she was like, and do you know what else, Sandra, in the height of summer, you're ruining pedal pushes for the girls when they've just come back into fashion. Big time. I actually looked at his trousers and I was like, I was wearing that only to Silverstone a few weeks ago. And now they're gone in the bin now. Can't wear them again.
11:01Joanne McNally:Do you know, that's gas. because when I was this morning, I'm so glad, Grace, because I was like, he's wearing pedal pushers and then they were like, it's capri pants. And I was like, maybe pedal pushers is an Irish thing. So I'm glad Grace is on board with the pedal pushing.
11:14Vogue:There are pedal, maybe she said capri pants. We call them pedal pushers.
11:18Joanne McNally:We call them pedal pushers.
11:19Vogue:Can I just say, girls, let's not let that man ruin another thing. He is not taking pedal pushers away from us. And he didn't look great in them and we all look fantastic in them. So let's just decide together that we're all going to keep wearing
11:31Joanne McNally:our pedal push-up slash capri pants. It's the tight clothes, you know? It's like men with a... Men who have trained torsos wearing skin-tight clothes. It's the male equivalent of a child at the lemonade store. Kind of like, look what I've made. Do you know what I mean? Look what I've made. Like, I've got out with these lads.
11:58Joanne McNally:I've dated these lads. It's like, we don't need to see every ripple of your body. Like, it's a status thing. Now, again, raving hypocrite because I'm about to go to a pizza. It's also... I can wear fucking nothing for a week because I think I have half an ab coming through, but it's on my ass. So I'm not sure if it's an ab or cellulite. I don't know what it is. Anyway, I will be whipping it out. But I just, it's the silky shirt. It's the irony of this man preaching this toxic masculine bollocks. and then he's dressed like, he looks like he's just walked off strictly.
12:33Vogue:I know a guy who was, who, now he's a great bod in front of his time, but even his ski suit, even his ski suit was fucking skin tight. I was like, how did you find a ski suit in the right length that you are able to make skin tight on you? I was like, that is absolutely, I applaud it, I suppose in a way, because I don't know how you've managed to get it to fit you lengthwise. It certainly doesn't fit you anywhere else. Yeah. Men love showing off when they've got a Look at Spencer Now Sven is nowhere near But like he does Sven does like his body Works hard for it But he's got a little peep in the mirror every so often I see him just pull his top up I'm like there you go
13:10Joanne McNally:I think I would know Spencer's body more than my own At this point I mean I think I'd struggle to notice my own body in a line up But I'd certainly recognise his headless torso I've seen it so often He loves whipping it out
13:22Vogue:No yeah he doesn't wear underwear We've known that for a long time but currently for the last like four or five months he hasn't worn a top either. So it's rare to see him in a top shirt. He came over to me in the park when I was at the kids picnic. He was on a run. I said, you can't come over to me like that. No. The school is here. Look at you.
13:39Joanne McNally:Yeah.
13:39Vogue:Run away. Run away. No.
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13:42Joanne McNally:Some fucking clothes on. So when I was looking at the Andrew Tay content it's really funny. So I was like, you know the way it's all about like escaping the matrix and all this shit. They're like, oh I didn't realise. I didn't realise escaping the matrix went getting arrested across three different continents
14:05Joanne McNally:I hope now that this because I'm conscious of making him like a joke because I think he's actually way more dangerous than that yeah like you know but in the same breath he is a absolute toxic clown he's the reason I have material about men not being able to chew sunglasses to suit their face because I every interview in these huge big Ray back like he's he is a joke and his brother what's the crack with the weird sidekick
14:30Vogue:they're grim and you know what else you know what else makes me absolutely
14:34Joanne McNally:that's such a good term for it folk they're grim
14:37Vogue:but you know who else is grim and who has so many followers and people that are like actually interested in following him is that complete tosser Conor McGregor I just feel like he is the charges that are against him are heinous They're just so bad what he did. And I feel like I don't understand if the rest of the world doesn't actually know that yet or else they're just pretending that they don't know it. And they're still continuing to put this man on a pedestal. And it makes me it just makes me so sad that we're still there in the world that somebody like that would be like you'd be impressed by somebody like that.
15:12Joanne McNally:And when the women post these videos, they get this onslaught from men and women saying, oh, hasn't been proved guilty yet. Or, you know, wait till the trial and like, you know, all this all this mad stuff. It's all very strange, very strange, but not as strange as the pedal pushers and the loafers.
15:34Vogue:Don't forget the silk shirt. Come on. He looks like what was that video Michael Jackson did? where the shirt is going like oh what about what about
15:43Joanne McNally:what about earth song
15:46Vogue:earth song he kind of looked like Michael Jackson earth song but also I don't think that we need to get into Michael Jackson will we do an email
15:53Joanne McNally:to lighten this up would we not bring out tote bags and t-shirts and jumpers with allegedly written on them come on by the way do you know that I woke up to a message from Amber saying that she's decided that she thinks you boys should go to Carl Cox and she's going to go in and wake you up
16:08Vogue:okay so we got home I went to bed at quarter past twelve Amber left the balcony door open so I woke up sweating at half one and then I was like Amber get to bed that girl has been on a jolly since she arrived down here in Spain are you having a ball having a ball but she woke up and she was like she was like you're the worst person to sleep beside now I had actually moved the bed away from the wall I was moving so much in my sleep but like it has nothing to do with the drink and stuff that she had last night it's only me that could
16:42Joanne McNally:have made her of course i just can't believe like and this is not this is a reflection of me and and my restrictions i if i was a pregnant woman the fact that you still go out and enjoy yourself blows my mind i think if i was pregnant and i couldn't like have a glass or whatever i think i would just sit inside for nine months gesticulating
17:07Joanne McNally:like staring at the wall I'd be like there's no point going out sure I can't have a drink there's no point leaving the house and that's pathetic and I realise that
17:16Vogue:yeah but some days you do kind of feel like that but then other days I'm like right get up just do something get out there waddle around and you'll be happy with yourself and the waddle is full on waddling but not only have I waddle now I hold my back as I walk at the same time but you've got to get out there and get shit done Right now listen Which email do you want Charcoal Or should I take the job
17:36Joanne McNally:My trainer Olivia Was telling that she has She has two little sausage dogs And she came home One day And one of the sausage dogs Douglas Had broken in She has locks on the door He'd somehow managed to get in To where his biscuits are kept And he'd eaten Like 10 kgs of biscuits Anyway the dog Had to have its stomach pumped Would you believe that She said it was like It was just all Huge body And these four tiny Tiny little matchstick legs Popping out of it and I had to have a stomach pumped which cost her£650 and they used charcoal on the dog.
18:08Vogue:And not to mention all the cost of the food.
18:10Joanne McNally:The cost of the food. The image of this huge like morbidly
18:16Vogue:Yes! Bertie's dog food is bloody expensive. So I'll go with what was the other one? Should I take the job? Should I take the job? Hi, please keep me in on. Love the pod. I'm 27 from Dublin and I feel like I'm at a bit of a crossroads. I feel like I've been working I've been super responsible my entire 20s. I got my degree, master's, and then began working in IT. Wow. I bought a flat at 24 with my now fiancé?
18:41Joanne McNally:Jesus.
18:41Vogue:Oh my God. We took a career break and went travelling for six months. You sound like what my mom would be looking for in a child.
18:49Joanne McNally:Yeah. Sounds like she's already taken many jobs.
18:55Vogue:We're sitting by the bill yesterday and it's a family-only hotel, which, by the way, oh my God. these are the places to be. Family only? Joe, they've been gatekeeping family only hotels. Do you mean adults only? Adults only. I was like, I don't think they've been gatekeeping family only hotels. Well, they've been gatekeeping adult only or I just haven't been to one in so long. It's quiet around the pool, Joe. There's no noise. Anyway, there was a family in the pool and me and Amber were watching them and they were thrown a table tennis ball kind of thing at each other but it was a beach bat ball and they were in there for about 45 minutes two kids older obviously because they were in the adults only hotels so they were like I'd say they were in their early 20s and then the mum and the dad and for ages there and I looked at them and I was like do you remember we used to do that with mum we never did that with mum we never ever played anything with mum I'm just like remember we used to spend ages doing that with mum and in the pool I don't think
19:58Joanne McNally:I've ever been in a pool with my mom or Neil. Poor Sandra. All she gets is abuse and she did her best. She did her best.
20:06Vogue:She did her best. My auntie was telling me, my auntie Naomi was telling me a story about when her and my mom went to Ibiza years ago when they were in their 20s. And she was like, and I had to tell your mom to put the pictures of the children away. She kept showing me pictures and I was like, are you sure it wasn't just a magazine of some kind? Was I in the pictures? And she was like, no, all three of you. And then she told me that they were asleep in their hotel room. And my mom was like, someone's in the room. And Naomi was like, what? Like kind of waking up out of her sleep. The waiter had to come up, let himself into their room with a bottle of champagne.
20:43Vogue:And they screamed their heads off, took the champagne, screamed their heads off and kicked him out. Yeah, he thought that this was going to be a really nice gesture to come up in the middle of the night with a bottle of champagne.
20:54Joanne McNally:To two women, to two single women in a room. I mean I know yeah if sexual assault is a nice gesture like what
21:03Vogue:I no I was like Naomi I need more stories in what world is a woman going to be
21:07Joanne McNally:in what world is a woman going to be receptive to that come on in we've been waiting all night for you to use your own key you've got champagne and come into our hotel room sure pop out to the balcony there we're going to slip on something more comfortable we'll see you out there oh my god
21:24Vogue:I mean this day and age now Pete
21:26Joanne McNally:be going down.
21:28Vogue:I'm so aware of how lucky I am and I'm so grateful for my life. However, my dilemma is that I did a mostly creative degree in media and then a master's in art and I never got into that because I went into IT for the mortgage, travel, etc. Okay. Yeah.
21:40Joanne McNally:Yeah. Okay.
21:43Vogue:I've always felt like I should be doing something creative and I do get a bit drained in my current job even though it's really secure and the people are lovely. I tried to counteract this by doing a floristry course. Who is this angel? After work. Lovely. Yeah. She's like what we want to be. We aspire to being you. I fell in love with... Well, I have...
22:04Joanne McNally:I have signed up for a ceramics class. I'm thriving. Now, I'm going to need to see the email for that.
22:09Vogue:I just... I feel like I'm not sure you have.
22:12Joanne McNally:How dare you? You won't see the email, though, but what you will see is the breakfast set I'm about to make.
22:17Vogue:Yeah. Okay. I look forward to...
22:18Joanne McNally:I signed up to make a breakfast set. I enjoy your decaf tea at night. Well, you're not having it. I will have it.
22:24Vogue:Okay. now I'm worried if I get the job I've applied for a job in a flower shop and now I have an interview now I'm worried if I get the job even though I'd love it with how Dublin is it would affect us getting a house next year my friends and family all say I worry and plan too much and put too much pressure on myself I just don't know whether to take this leap into a less secure job that might delay buying a house or stay on the current path, get the house and hopefully explore floweristry later I get a bit like I'm running out of time and I don't know and I don't if I don't do it now and I will when will I which I know is dramatic at 27 I can hear how it sounds which is why I don't want to bother my friends with it too much that's why I think you lovely ladies would give the best advice as you seem to have reinvented yourselves at different stages of your life
23:12Joanne McNally:yeah probably have a few left in us to be honest so my first thought is that and I hope this doesn't sound condescending but at 27 I think and she flagged herself you are so as women in our 40s you are so young you are so young and it's fantastic I don't mean that to be patronising I think I was still living in my mum's attic at 27 but I was also insane at the time but you are like I didn't even get into stand up until I was in my early 30s so and I hadn't a pot to piss in for years like literally remember a mushroom toilet, like all that stuff. And then thank God started making an income through doing something that I love.
23:59Joanne McNally:But it was like late on in the day, it took me about six or seven years. I was basically working for fuck all. I would say, I don't know if you're going to agree with me here, Vogue, that actually, and I'm going to sound like my mother here now, I would stick with the job at the moment. Isn't that terrible? I would get a house, just get a fucking house and then go and explore the floristry. Because I had a friend who did exactly that. She was super creative. I think she studied fashion in college and she was working in a kind of a corporate style job and she absolutely hated it. She went exactly like this, did floristry, went to work in a flower shop and then actually had to leave then and go back and take something else because she like that was trying to get on the property ladder but she was on her own trying to get on the property ladder and she was like this is just never going to happen.
24:45Joanne McNally:And now she kind of just floristry on the side which is, so she's still kind of getting the artistic kick that she needs but she's bought a house and I don't know am I just getting really old where I'm thinking that that should be the priority at 27 and then you have explore your creative side in your spare time and then work towards doing it full time when you get the house am I just am I just really old now I mean I didn't do that so it's a bit rich for me to say it I didn't do it at all i i did not do that i did literally the opposite thing i think on paper that's what
25:21Vogue:makes sense but my feeling as somebody who is really like like i'm the same as joanne when i was 27 i was living in australia i was married to somebody else that i'm not married to now my life was nowhere near where where it is today what i'm doing today i feel like and i felt like this over the last like six months especially i just feel so lucky that i'm in a job that i love so much like I love all the different parts of my job you're 27 okay let's say you don't take the job in the florist and you keep doing the job that you're doing and then you get your house and then you take the job in the florist can you afford to keep your house if you have the job in the florist after having or is it always going to be you're working this job so you have enough money to have the lifestyle that you want but like is the lifestyle worth spending so much of your week in a job that you don't love that doesn't bring you joy that doesn't make you happy every day whereas you could be doing something in floristry and like you could be working for somebody else to begin with but like i know amazing florists that do all these things for events for people that are like really you know what that's actually true you could move on you sound like the kind of person that could move you sound like you've got a really good head on your shoulders and i think that if that's what's going to make you happy and you should try and take the leap like of course it would be amazing if you could buy a house but like you're 27 like that's very young to be thinking of buying a house.
26:42Vogue:It's amazing of course, but like it's very rare that people are buying a house when they're 27. What happened to the apartment? Did she not say she bought an apartment? She did. Where's that gone? So you're on the property ladder. You're on the property ladder. Fucking hell, what age is she buying an apartment? I'm doing a whole 180. I'm like,
26:59Joanne McNally:you've got a gaff already. Go be a florist.
27:01Vogue:I would say do the floristry court. I would say do the, like if you do it and after a year you're like, shit, I wish I hadn't done that. You can go back, you can buy your house, you can get your old job back but this seems like something that you'll really enjoy and you'll love and I think go with your gut on the fact that you'll really enjoy it and just worry about all the adult stuff later you're 27 just try and enjoy yourself do you know what like I'm so
27:25Joanne McNally:very well said and shame on me because I've just given someone the opposite advice of what I actually personally did myself which is a bit nuts so I kind of slipped into some sort of maternal mode there. Yeah, fuck it up. Go and be a florist.
27:42Vogue:And let us know.
27:43Joanne McNally:We'd like to see some of your work. I'm open to regular bouquets. If she does go down the floristry route. Fogue hates flowers, notoriously so.
27:52Vogue:I love flowers. Don't tell anyone that. That was a mistake.
27:54Joanne McNally:I love them. We all make mistakes. We all make mistakes. We're flawed. Except Andrew Tate. He's a c**t.
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