In short
Bonus episode of My Therapist Ghosted Me with Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally. Topic: morning banter that spirals into beauty trends (blepharoplasty vs brow lifts), plastic surgery ethics, and an ice-bath “snorkel” face trend; then shifts to listener advice.
Key claims
brow lifts are often mistaken for blephs; full face lifts are invasive with weeks of painful recovery; doctors sometimes refuse unnecessary procedures; ice can reduce puffiness but may worsen rosacea.
Notable examples
references to Emma Stone/Kendall Jenner/Kris Jenner; TikTok pain accounts; a child dart injury causing loss of an eye; Amber’s glasses/eye-surgery refusal; a listener’s Dubai move.
Guests
no external guests—only hosts Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally. Guests/letters: anonymous listener in Dubai missing home; anonymous listener coming out as gay after a first lesbian encounter.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOMorning Conversations and Blepharoplasty
0:45 to 2:15
Vogue and Joanne discuss morning routines and the concept of blepharoplasty.
“The Bronx is probably gentrified now as well.”
Political Commentary on Greenland
2:15 to 3:45
The hosts share humorous thoughts on Trump's Greenland remarks and political situations.
“What I was saying was that now when I wake up as a 42-year-old woman, my eyelids are preparing me for death because I have to kind of wind them open now and there's a lot of...”
The Changing Beauty Standards
3:45 to 6:45
A discussion on beauty trends, including brow lifts and societal pressures regarding appearance.
“travel to Korea and get a facelift because it's just what people do now isn't it I'm just gonna I'm gonna find Kris Jenner's fella Kris Jenner's fella sorry It's like going to home sense at this stage.”
Personal Experiences with Cosmetic Procedures
6:45 to 10:00
Joanne reflects on her thoughts about cosmetic procedures and the psychological impacts.
“So I'm going to wait until I come to the end.”
Navigating Life Decisions Amidst Loneliness
10:00 to 13:00
A listener shares their struggle with feelings of loneliness and the dilemma of living in Dubai versus home.
“That's a big wad of cash to be missing out on.”
Reflecting on Family and Home
13:00 to 14:02
The hosts discuss the importance of family ties and the emotional pull of home.
“My friends now have boyfriends, so suddenly I'm feeling like a bit of a lonely loser.”
The Dilemma of Home vs. Dubai
14:02 to 16:44
A discussion about the emotional pull of home and the uncertainties of staying in Dubai.
“I know Christmas is an elite time to be at home anyway.”
Coming to Terms with Sexuality
16:44 to 20:03
An anonymous listener shares their journey of discovering their sexuality and seeking advice.
“And like, that's obviously what you're kind of yearning for.”
The Reality of Hidden Lives
20:03 to 21:12
A compelling insight into the struggles of many who deny their true selves due to societal norms.
“Would you wonder how many people are living a lie?”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:02Vogue Williams:This is a Global Player original podcast.
0:10Vogue Williams:Hello and welcome to My Therapist Ghosted Me, the bonus episode with me, Vogue Williams and...
0:16Joanne McNally:It's Joanne McNally.
0:17Vogue Williams:Is it?
0:18Joanne McNally:It is. I know. I know. It's morning time. I know what you're thinking. She needs to get her bluffs done.
0:23Vogue Williams:No, no, no. We were just having a little conversation about the bluffs and the bits and the bobs and... in the mornings now, my eyes. Sorry, translation, blephs, what? Oh, blephs are like the skin above your eyelids kind of thing. And like a lot of people get bleph surgery. And a lot of people when they don't need it, like Joanne, you do not need it. But Joanne lives in the Bronx. Oh my God. The Bronx is probably gentrified now as well.
0:50Joanne McNally:It's Clapham. It's Southwest London. It's every time we record this podcast remotely, which is pretty much all the time now. Sorry, you know the whole Greenland thing? I'm trying to keep, every day I wake up and there's something I just can't I can't bear it do you know what I will say as well we've so much information now like this this has been going on since time began war and but we didn't have so much access to it because sometimes it can feel quite overwhelming when you wake up you're like oh for fuck's sake I know what's going on now but you know that Trump was offering everyone in Greenland a hundred grand he is so wild but he's so serious about it and you're like are you actually there's no lanes for him he's like I should go buy Greenland but I will say and like again me and Vogue are very aware of staying in our lane he's saying he thinks Russia's going to take it and apparently he's trying to protect there is method to his it's all fucking kicking off anyway look let's focus on blacks sorry Venezuela
1:44Vogue Williams:he's really trying to help them they just happen to have loads of oil well I do think that isn't that lucky
1:50Joanne McNally:isn't that lucky so I've spoken to a couple of Venezuelans and they say it's they're delighted that it's happened
1:56Vogue Williams:I think we're probably And if you would like any more political conversations from Joanne and I, we are actually creating a new podcast on the side which is called Fogue and Joanne do politics.
2:07Joanne McNally:The ignorant witches.
2:09Vogue Williams:Yeah. Back to things we do know. So come here to me. Blefs. Loads of people. Sorry, what I was... From Trump to blef to whatever. What I was saying was that now when I wake up
2:21Joanne McNally:as a 42-year-old woman, my eyelids are preparing me for death because I have to kind of wind them open now and there's a lot of...
2:29Vogue Williams:Well, I have one heavy eye and it's always been like that. But I... First of all, one thing because you just said it there and I keep saying it. I'm going to stop referring to my age and you should too. As a 40-year-old woman, oh, now that I'm 40, I'm not doing it anymore. I'm not... It hammers home too much. I don't need to do it. I'm just... Whatever. She's already in denial.
2:50Joanne McNally:She's only hit the chapter and she's already starting to deny it. Excuse me, I'm not in denial.
2:53Vogue Williams:Anyway, I'm not in denial. But so brow lifts. So I was chatting with this plastic surgeon. I've actually, I've been lucky enough to sit beside two plastic surgeons in my life. And one of them was showing me pictures of lots of things, this American one. And he was absolutely brilliant. This other guy from Ireland, it's the Hanson Clinic. And he was telling me about like people, like there's a lot of brow lifts happening. So you think people are getting blephs, which is a thing that's done to their eyelids. But a lot of people are getting little brow lifts, which just like if you look at Emma Stone.
3:24Vogue Williams:Now, I don't know if she has. she hasn't come out and said she did Emma Stone Kendall Jenner like all these people whose eyebrows are just it's brow lifts so I just felt like I came across that nugget of information I was like
3:34Joanne McNally:yeah that it's not the breasts it's the brows I mean I will say and like you know me now I love a tweakment and all that jazz and I've said openly at some stage I will probably travel to Korea and get a facelift because it's just what people do now isn't it
3:49Vogue Williams:I'm just gonna I'm gonna find Kris Jenner's fella Kris Jenner's fella sorry
3:54Joanne McNally:It's like going to home sense at this stage. People just nipping in, getting a whole new face lifted on, taking off, removed. Yeah, if you can get in with Chris Jenner. But I will say, I know a woman who's going in to get a full face lift. She's someone I know in my personal private life. And she is 32. And even I, in all my middle-aged family... Why does she want to get that? Because this is what happens, you see. And I sent her, and I was like, look, I'm not trying to... you've made your decisions, you're going to do what you're going to do. But I sent her, because I think now, because there's so much stunning before and afters that people don't see, we're not looking at like...
4:35Vogue Williams:The bad stuff, there's lots of bad stuff. You have to be so careful.
4:38Joanne McNally:But also, it's a very invasive procedure. And so... Weeks recovery. And it's incredibly painful. So I was sending her links to stuff on TikTok where it shows people like, talking about the pain or... it's not a throwaway thing you know it's not like going in and getting your car washed
4:58Vogue Williams:yeah you have to you really have to think about it but I saw that and then you go just think about it think about it for a minute it's like when you go into a shop you see a nice jacket you say I'm not spending that on the jacket and you leave the shop and you're thinking about the jacket then you go to another shop and you're still thinking about the jacket by the third shop I'm going back to get the jacket if it's still in
5:15Joanne McNally:yeah if your new face is still in your basket the next morning I guess is what we're saying yeah exactly
5:21Vogue Williams:but should you see that thing Kendall Jenner did And listen, if someone doesn't want to talk about getting plastic surgery or anything like that, that's totally fine. It took me ages to say that I got Botox because I didn't want to be labeled Botox girl. But Kendall Jenner was in this podcast and she was like, no, I've never, ever had plastic surgery. And if you see her nose before and after, it's like, but you have. Like when it's that obvious, you have.
5:45Joanne McNally:See, I think, wonder, are they getting away with it because it's like a lift or, you know, the way the term plastic surgery, there's a lot you can do without plastic surgery as such so they're probably using it as a kind of get out clause you know
5:59Vogue Williams:maybe plastic surgery is adding stuff and just surgery is when you take stuff away but if you're adding stuff like a tit then it's plastic surgery I don't know
6:08Joanne McNally:I don't know I don't know is the God's honest truth but my God
6:11Vogue Williams:it's none of our business if she wants to lie and say that she's like I don't know Barney the dinosaur she's well within her rights it's none of my business they're looking they're looking great for whatever they're doing we've no evidence that it's a lie at all. Exactly. Now, well, it's photographic evidence in my opinion. But anyway, stop being bitchy folk. Did you see the thing? I nearly bought us one each and I think I will because I think I'll buy you a gift, especially now that you've said that this morning. Did you see the ice bath thing that people are putting their faces in and there's a little thing that you breathe through?
6:41Joanne McNally:I did, yeah. I mean, I think 80 quid,
6:44Vogue Williams:but you have to get them from America. And I was like, I nearly bought it. It was in the basket. And I said, what about import fees? So I'm going to wait until I come to the end.
6:50Joanne McNally:Have you seen this, Jo? So, you know, so there's a kind of a trend in beauty. You put your mouth, it's like a snorkel, it's like snorkel equipment basically. Snorkeling in ice. To ice bath your face. Now it took me, my father, God rest his soul, etc. Took him, I remember evenings up in the bathroom sink in the yellow mustard 80s bathroom with the brown carpet upstairs in the old house. And I'd have goggles on and my father would be trying to teach me to keep my head under the water. And it was the most traumatic. It was like getting, I was actually like, I was getting waterboarded even though like he wasn't actually like putting my head under or anything but I it took me so long to learn how to put my head under the water that even watching her or sorry even watching You couldn't do that?
7:32Joanne McNally:Even watching them use that little tiny snorkel for the underlying under face ice bath brought me out in hives.
7:40Vogue Williams:Oh I think I'm going to get it. I just I think that ice is so good for your face and sometimes I think those ice sticks that you put in the freezer stick to me.
7:48Joanne McNally:But then I was using I was using an ice stick once and then Sue Brophy who does my hair and makeup in Ireland messaged me and she's like stop doing that it's going to bring out your rosacea one person tells you something someone else tells you but I do know that obviously ice is good for swelling and and puffiness and puffiness yes now I've not I have never once in my adult life seen you with an inch of puffiness in your face look at mine even today I look like I'm having a cortisol meltdown
8:16Vogue Williams:I'll show you I'll send you a picture tomorrow of the eye because my eye is very one of my eyes is very puffy in the morning anyway we shouldn't be let's not talk about it anymore we're all gorgeous the way we are and especially with all the extra bits they say yeah after fucking booking in
8:30Joanne McNally:for a facelift and buying an under snorkel equipment to ice our faces in the morning we're all
8:35Vogue Williams:no we are we're all gorgeous how we are we are I've just had my Botox done
8:39Joanne McNally:we need to stop we talk about we talk about tweakments too much we have young listeners yeah
8:44Vogue Williams:this is not right it's not right 32 though getting a fucking face
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8:48Joanne McNally:it's crazy isn't it
8:49Vogue Williams:I think that's unethical to be giving someone like that a facelift. Yeah.
8:53Joanne McNally:Lift. But like, yeah, I know what you're saying, but I mean, the age... I'm getting paid. The age... What's it called when there's an age? Sorry, the age limit on my stand-up show is 14 plus, I've realised the other day. And I think that's quite unethical.
9:08Vogue Williams:Oh, I don't know. I wouldn't want my 14-year-old going to see you, no face.
9:11Joanne McNally:Not to a 15-year-old boy. No one's taken. Yeah, do you know what I mean? So, but I mean, if the business is there, like, that's not me, so I think we should up the edge on my show but I mean if the business is there that doctor's not going to say and also I think it takes I love when you hear the people going in looking for treatments or treatments and the doctor says you don't need it I love hearing that
9:33Vogue Williams:do you know Amber went to get her eyes done in that thing that you had done before and your mum was like I'm not doing it you don't need it and Amber no way I actually think she does need it though she is she's wearing glasses all the time and I'm like I don't really understand where that's coming he's like you don't need it and so he wouldn't do it for her The fish chis? No, no, no, no, no, no. Where you can't see properly and they lift your, like, they laser your eyeballs.
9:58Joanne McNally:Oh, laser eye surgery? Mm.
10:00Vogue Williams:Oh, sorry.
10:02Joanne McNally:Oh, wow, really?
10:03Vogue Williams:That's a big wad of cash to be missing out on. And he said he don't need it. Yeah, he said,
10:09Joanne McNally:and I think she might need it. But anyway, maybe he just didn't like her. God, that's crazy. I've never heard someone getting turned down for laser eye surgery.
10:17Vogue Williams:Oh, my God. this girl told me a story about sorry she only told me it yesterday and that's why it reminds me we're talking about eyes so they were young, this family she was friends with and they were all quite young I mean they were like 9, 10, 12 that kind of age, this family and the boys were playing darts and the sister was told to hold the dart board because they hadn't hung it up so she's holding the dart board and then she came out from the side and said are you finished and he threw a dart in her eye yeah, lost the eye yeah, yeah I know I know I imagine the pain anything remember Otto stabbed me in the eye I'll never forget that pain I'll never forget how painful that was I think you just faint
10:57Joanne McNally:I do remember when he did that to you yeah yeah yeah wow
11:02Vogue Williams:oh my god I know eyeballs are just they're just not a great they're like I read this book oh it was so long oh Jesus and now I've forgotten what it's called but fuck me never again and this guy his eyes were torn out and I was like Like, oh, anything to do with eyes just freaks me out. I can't stand them.
11:20Joanne McNally:A child holding dartboard is never going to end well, is it?
11:24Vogue Williams:No, I know. Come on. I remember Amber used to, my brother had this golf net he got from Santa and Amber stood at the back and put her hands through it and was like taunting Frederick and he's so kept hitting golf balls and they belted her across the knuckles. She broke her fingers and just had this swollen hand. You used to do mad stuff like that when you were younger.
11:42Joanne McNally:I remember my cousins were fishing and my boy cousin cast the rod back. Yeah. Where did it go? Into the neck of my girl cousin. Maura, if you're listening, hello. Yeah, and then he reefed it forward. Oh, God, and it just came out. Yeah, and then it like pulls out the skin off. Oh, yeah, I know. I know.
12:14Vogue Williams:Hi Joanne and folk. Help. I'm coming to you both in a state of mild but constant panic and would love some extremely unqualified advice. Perfect. I moved to Dubai in 2024. Jesus Christ. Does anyone live here anymore? Is everyone just living in Dubai? I'm a massive homebird. Do you ever see how those means about moving to Dubai? They're so funny. And I'm a massive homebird.
12:39Joanne McNally:They're like the worst insult you can give someone is you look like you'd enjoy Dubai you know. Yeah. They're not our thoughts. You love living in Dubai. I'm just saying, you've read them on the internet.
12:48Vogue Williams:And they're funny. We don't think that about you. I'm a massive home bird and underestimated just how emotionally attached I am to my family. I've really struggled at the start. Some of my friends moved out after me, which helped. But this year, Dubai feels different. My friends now have boyfriends, so suddenly I'm feeling like a bit of a lonely loser. I miss my family constantly. I went home for Christmas and had the best time ever, like genuinely considered not getting back on the plane. My sister is my best friend So that makes everything 10 times harder I love my family to bits And I worry about them all the time There's just this low level anxiety Humming away in my body about not being home I'm currently on a career break from my job in Ireland It might be there when I go back But it also might not be extended And even if it is Is that actually the job I want to be in forever?
13:32Vogue Williams:Or am I just clinging to it because it's familiar? My job in Dubai has offered to extend my contract For another year And I don't know what to do Dubai has so many positives I live in a really nice apartment that I absolutely could not afford in Ireland. It's the centre of travel. I can be in a different country every few months. I'm in my mid-twenties and this feels like the time I should be doing this. And I feel like I should want to stay. And I might look back and say, I wish I did one more year. But surprisingly, I actually get paid more to work in Ireland. So financially, it makes zero sense.
14:01Vogue Williams:Emotionally, I just think I want to be at home eating dinner with my family. I miss home so much. I know Christmas is an elite time to be at home anyway. but even outside of that home just feels like me. On the other hand, I'm terrified that if I go home now I'll regret not giving Dubai one more proper year to travel because I know that when I move back to Ireland this year or next year, I will settle there for good and I won't ever make that move again. What would you do if you were me from an anxious in Dubai? P.S. Vogue. I also miss how accessible Bear by Vogue is at home. Well then you should move home.
14:31Vogue Williams:That's it. You should move home because you can't be using the stuff they have out there. I'm just saying.
14:36Joanne McNally:Carcinogenic. allegedly possibly allegedly well I think this feels very clear to me this feels like she wants to move home you want to
14:46Vogue Williams:you want to move home and you're just feeling guilty that you might leave Dubai but you've done Dubai and like I would I've been to Dubai many times I really like Dubai I think that you can do Dubai in a year and you can live there and be happy there for a year but you don't have to force yourself to stay for another year and yes it's easier to travel to certain places from Dubai but I think Dublin's really easy like there's like Sure, Erling just goes everywhere, doesn't it? It goes straight to L.A., do you want? You can fly loads of places in Ireland
15:13Joanne McNally:and you can still travel. Dubai's not going anywhere.
15:17Vogue Williams:No.
15:18Joanne McNally:Dubai's locked in, as they say.
15:19Vogue Williams:I don't know how much fun you're having in Dubai either.
15:23Joanne McNally:People do make, we tend to make these grand statements of like, I know I'll settle here and I'll settle there. You actually don't know that. You don't. And so if there's no real financial benefit, like most people stay in Dubai because it's financially beneficial because obviously there's no tax, which is astounding and a very seductive reason to live there. But if that's not a reason to do it and you're struggling and you feel lonely and you miss your family, go home.
15:47Vogue Williams:I don't think I could live away from my family, not that far away. Like we live away, but like we go home, you go home to Pat all the time. I go home to my parents and sister and stuff.
15:56Joanne McNally:You don't have to settle in Ireland either. She's no kids by the sounds of it. Early 20s, mid 20s I think. Jesus, I'm thinking, I'm half thinking of moving to America next year. It's all to play for. You can go anywhere you want at any time of the day or night.
16:10Vogue Williams:Don't worry, Jo, don't worry.
16:12Joanne McNally:You know that's something that you need to run by. I want to let that.
16:17Vogue Williams:Remember she wanted to move east. It's like, no kids.
16:20Joanne McNally:Stop it.
16:21Vogue Williams:You know? Stop it.
16:23Joanne McNally:What I mean is for this young woman, you always feel like you're way older than you are. You always feel like you've less time than you have. Although until you hit, well, sorry, Vogue, I hate to bring it up again, our age, and then time starts flying in. But in your early 20s and 30s, this is the time to explore. But don't put yourself through any hardship that you don't need to. Don't force. Yeah, don't force yourself.
16:43Vogue Williams:Go home. Home is great. I love being home in Ireland. And like, that's obviously what you're kind of yearning for. So don't.
16:49Joanne McNally:I do think as well, Dubai is such a, there's such a cultural difference there as well. Do you know, like you're really far from home. It's not like, I mean, London to Dublin, it's kind of no biggie really, do you know, because it's only across the way. but Dubai is it's a real culture shift and and you're far away and there's a significant time difference and yeah go home there's no failure in going home like I say Dubai's not going anywhere you can go back if you want yeah you can move to Greenland get 100 grand off Trump if you want yeah move to Greenland that's all to play for come to New York with me you're not going to feck off I need to get into the clubs over there I'm like, feck off, honestly
17:34Vogue Williams:I'm fed up with this shit First of all, she hits me Is this because I'm moving to your area? Is this what's happening here? Because every time I remind you that I'm moving to your area Don't worry, you have 18 months
17:44Joanne McNally:I have a bad case of ants in the pants and I'm always like If it's easy, it's not working I need to be challenged Not that it's easy I mean geographically I should start all over again somewhere That's my mantra That's kind of, I know You know yourself, it won't happen I'm just saying to this woman I'm 42 and I'm thinking I'm moving country again I might move to
18:06Vogue Williams:America with you
18:06Joanne McNally:you should
18:07Vogue Williams:why don't we do that I would move to I'd move to New York why not
18:10Joanne McNally:I'd love to live in New York give the kids a little New York twang instead of whatever is going on bloody lovely
18:18Vogue Williams:yeah jeez I don't know what's happened
18:19Joanne McNally:very aristocratic aristocratic they're developing they're more they're more posh
18:24Vogue Williams:than Spencer I don't know what's happened honestly Gigi in particular mama I know sorry One more smaller email. Ready?
18:36Joanne McNally:Yeah, always.
18:37Vogue Williams:I will too, Ray.
18:38Joanne McNally:But we're ready, Ray.
18:40Vogue Williams:Hi Joanne, Vogue and Jo, a.k.a. my unpaid therapist at this point. Thank you. Please keep me anonymous. Just listening to this week's pod where the woman has had her first lesbian encounter and I'm sat here in tears listening to your words of advice. I'm currently struggling with my sexuality after years of thinking I was straight. I realise that I am in fact as gay as Christmas I've met the most amazing woman and we're very much in love oh stop there's a revolution there's a revolution happening just waiting for you to come out Joanne I've never felt like this with anyone and I'll be really disappointed if you say you never fancied me because that happened to me with a lesbian friend of mine and I was really upset
19:21Joanne McNally:that your lesbian friend didn't fancy him
19:22Vogue Williams:never once never once and we'd known each other for 10 years previous
19:25Joanne McNally:this is the thing I feel sorry for lesbians who have female friends because they're like, I don't get over yourself. I do not fancy you. And we're all like, why not me?
19:37Vogue Williams:Yeah, look at me. Because you're in bits. Do you see this picture of me though? Do you see this picture of me? They're like, no thanks. It's taken me a long time to come to this conclusion and I have a lot at stake if I come out. But just wanted to thank you for being so open and honest and validating people who are feeling a bit confused at the moment with love, tears and snot. Anonymous, we will leave it. It's very cute. Very nice. that's so nice that you've got that's like it's like i know it's nothing to do with like it's it's the complete opposite of being like oh when you realize you have a problem like that's the first step but like you don't have a problem you know what i mean the first step is realizing you're gay and now pastor williams is setting up for conversion therapy skill and now you'll be on the like you'll feel you'll get more confident and you'll feel like more comfortable tell like you've told us now there's another step so the next step is telling your mates and then like tell your family and you'll realise that actually it's not that well it is a big deal in friends like that but I think that you'll just realise that it's better that everyone knows and you'll feel so good about yourself and I am thrilled for you and I wonder well do you fancy
20:41Joanne McNally:me? Would you wonder how many people are living a lie? Do you know what I mean? If this is the kind of time for people to feel comfortable coming out or explore their sexuality or whatever and a lot of them are exploring it and staying over the other side or the same side I guess. How many people are denying a huge part of themselves because it just wasn't acceptable? Like I'd say I'd say half the husbands in Ireland are gay. Half? Yeah I'd say so.
21:14Vogue Williams:Jesus Christ I better cut it off. Thanks everyone for listening. I'm worried.
21:18Joanne McNally:Shook the priests. As I said thank you for listening. Half of them are on Grindr when they're training and all. Huh? This is... Yeah. Keep that in now, Jo. Don't you be silencing me. I know what you're like, Renee. You know I don't listen to the podcast right now. Half of what I say gets removed.
21:41Vogue Williams:Joanne, Joanne just lurks around the gym looking over men's shoulders to see that they're on Grindr.
21:46Joanne McNally:I said to a woman at a show recently, I said, no, I said to a man, I said, are you gay? And the woman went, he's my husband. And I said, That means nothing. Are you gay? Are you gay? Yeah.
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