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6:02Vogue Williams:but anyway, it's taken a turn.

6:04Joanne McNally:Well, I, you know, you're not going to like what I have to say. What? I would go to, I would, I want to go to prison.

6:13Vogue Williams:Joan, that can be easily organised. And I think you'll need the break after the tour.

6:17Joanne McNally:Jo find out where find out where Lucy Leppie is I want to go in there fuck I want to speak to her directly find it Jo Google it

6:25Vogue Williams:now I know that you you are convinced that that woman might be innocent I know somebody

6:32Joanne McNally:no no no no no no no no no I think there's questions I think she had I think there was flaws on both sides of the both legal teams I'll tell you but I do think she's guilty I do I'm sorry I have nothing to base it on which is the problem it's all circumstantial do you know what I was actually speaking to someone about it the other day and this again this is why like I'm not a legal professional

6:55Vogue Williams:you can see Jo's face when we start talking about serious things

6:58Joanne McNally:it's the talk of the town because there are questions and there are holes in the argument on both sides and if she is innocent my god this has to be one of the biggest miscarriages of justice in well certainly our lifetime but I do think do you know and again this is why I'm not a legal professional. The fact she didn't defend herself in court. I don't know why but that to me Two things. Sorry.

7:25Vogue Williams:If police came into my bedroom in the morning and started telling me that I was being accused of murder I'd have more things to say.

7:32Joanne McNally:In her defence when they came in to arrest. Jo it's fine Jo. This is fine. In her defence when they came in to arrest her it was going on two years at this stage. It's not that she didn't know this was possible.

7:45Vogue Williams:You'd still be a bit more weirded out with them all coming into your room instead of just sitting there like come on have a bit like there's absolutely no emotion and didn't she not turn up to her sentencing I just think that that's so fucking grim after everything that you did just said she's one of she's the worst child killer in the history of Britain you know what's that called it's so strange

8:05Joanne McNally:and I don't know whether it's because we just have this rapport but now that you're arguing that she's guilty I feel like I need to defend her and I don't know why I'm like well hold on a second now there are holes in the prosecution.

8:17Vogue Williams:How has this woman not gotten a job on this morning? Or Good Morning Britain? You know somebody always has to take the shitty side. Good Morning Britain, there's always a real shitty side. You should take that.

8:28Joanne McNally:Do you remember, so there's a pub down the road from where I live. Donald Trump is a gentleman. I would call him shiverous frankly. My point is and a lot of nurses I speak to when I say speak to, like women in my DMs who I chat to, who I've never met nurses are convinced she is innocent someone was saying to me the other day there's a saying where it's when there's a crime find the woman they're always blaming another woman they're talking about maybe the care in the hospital wasn't up to scratch anyway folk like I say I'm just representing both sides I do think she's guilty what is that

9:01Vogue Williams:we could have egg on her face there's a there's a phrase there's a phrase for doctors who what's it called Jo so they basically because they're able to take life away and bring people back and some doctors like they I mean very rarely Jesus' complex Yeah the God God complex The God complex where they can basically take life away and then bring people back and there's that like I mean remember Harold Chipman I mean we're really getting deep into things he was absolutely grim killing people Yeah but he

9:28Joanne McNally:he had a strong motivation it was money the problem with Lucy is they can't find a motive for it there was no I think The God complex is her motive I think it was for attention I think it gave her attention yeah and it gave her power that's it I don't think she was financially motivated because obviously there was no financial benefit from it. Jo's sweating visibly on its face.

9:49Vogue Williams:What should we do next? Do you do the Epstein girls or trans women in sport?

9:52Joanne McNally:What would you like? Let's just revert to form. Let's just talk about penguins ice skating. Or let's go back to the horses on skis. We'd have a serious conversation about anything.

10:04Vogue Williams:Sometimes I think people imagine me and you, Joanne, just sitting there talking utter shite the whole time. We actually do talk about Yeah

10:14Joanne McNally:Time for telly-tubbies We do keep up with current affairs Well I'm not current I'm like what's happening five years ago I tend to lock into I'm a big woman for like I'll latch into a story that was huge in 2010 Do you know what I mean? And really get involved Yeah Lucy if you're listening I'd like to know why you didn't speak for yourself in court but listen

10:35Vogue Williams:I feel very strongly that she's guilty So and guess what everyone is allowed to have their own opinion

10:40Joanne McNally:100 % a billion percent I must listen to that podcast also imagine being the parents the horror of of this this happening the person being accused found guilty in a court of law like in a court of law found guilty and then people are

11:05Vogue Williams:you look so like that girl from Derry Girls

11:08Joanne McNally:Saoirse Monica Jackson yeah

11:10Vogue Williams:We must watch

11:12Joanne McNally:Lisa McGee's new show.

11:13Vogue Williams:Oh, yeah, I heard there's something. Someone actually told me about that. Someone who's designing a dress for me told me about that.

11:19Joanne McNally:Yeah. What is it, Jo? How to get to heaven from Belfast.

11:22Vogue Williams:There you go.

11:24Joanne McNally:Saoirse's in it. It's Lisa McGee wrote Derry Girls, her new show. Garode, which did the late, late recently and they were on, Lisa and Saoirse were on with Garode. Sorry, this is a really weird segue,

11:37Vogue Williams:but I was meant to go to a dinner last night for Agent Provocateur.

11:44Joanne McNally:Sorry! Am I chopped liver? With Emily, with Emily. Well, Emily,

11:53Vogue Williams:they know about our knickers. I was surprised that I was invited. But Emily Atac, have you seen her? She's doing the new campaign and she looks, I mean, sorry, she looks, I love her because I love Rivals so much. Yeah, Rivals is fantastic.

12:07Joanne McNally:Joanne,

12:08Vogue Williams:she's going to the rugby. she's going to the rugby.

12:13Joanne McNally:I'm sick of being your ugly underdog, Stanton. I want my own invitations to my own events. Jo, ring Rick now.

12:22Vogue Williams:She's done. Would you like an email? Is it an invitation to something?

12:27Joanne McNally:Otherwise, no, I don't want to.

12:28Vogue Williams:Dear Joanne, would you like to come to the Rugby with Vogue? There is catering. There is catering.

12:35Joanne McNally:Yes, I would actually. Yes.

12:37Vogue Williams:Okay, perfect. Joanne watch this Joanne will be in Cork doing a show or she'll be you're in Australia what's the date it's on the it's on the 21st of February Joanne's in Dublin

12:49Joanne McNally:I'm in Dublin yeah I'm on tour sorry I'm in the Olympia

12:53Vogue Williams:this is why I don't invite you places I have it for July and I'm I'm content with that it's nice to be invited you know yeah yeah okay great I'm actually going to Ireland on Friday would you like to come with me

13:02Joanne McNally:I have a terrible I have a terrible vision of you from page of the Irish Times in an English rugby jersey though. Please folk, don't let us down. Are you crazy? Even if they start winning.

13:13Vogue Williams:You're going to wear an Irish rugby jersey to the rugby. Come on. It'd be a good joke. Come on. He will. I'll make sure of it. Don't worry.

13:20Joanne McNally:He can. Because we're the underdogs. You can't.

13:24Vogue Williams:Are you crazy?

13:26Joanne McNally:Do you honestly think?

13:28Vogue Williams:Anyway. Okay, email. Email. 21 minutes into the bonus. Okay. I went looking or hand written letters? I went looking. can I just say something about handwritten letters the amount of thank you cards that the kids get from other children and I'm just not that what? yeah I'm not that mum I really want to be that mum but I'm not I'm not that mum I can't do it

13:52Joanne McNally:I got one Christmas card this year and it was from a brand I don't think I got any and then I realised I said Joanne you can't sit here feeling sorry for yourself you don't send any cards if you don't send any you can't you can't expect to accept any.

14:08Vogue Williams:I don't want, I'm like, I love, I did this with Ciarán, my business partner, I said, you don't get me anything for Christmas and I won't get you anything. That's my favourite kind of deal. It's the best deal to have. Don't send me a card and I won't send you a card, but so many people send thank you cards and I'm like, I'm not a terrible mum who doesn't get my kids to do that. They're rude.

14:23Joanne McNally:I want to say, so I found this, you know the way we like, we've lost our kind of culture corner, culture pocket, whatever we were calling ourselves, but I was obviously scrolling last night and I'm after, so there's this, events company I guess called Pints of Knowledge which are based in London and they do talks all around London about anything it could be space Instagram gender whatever but I've booked one for it's called How the Internet is Pulling Men and Women Apart called the Algorithm Divide which I'm very interested in because I do firmly believe that my disdain for monogamy or distrust of men at the moment is completely based on my algorithm.

15:07Joanne McNally:I do. I really, really do.

15:08Vogue Williams:Yeah, but once you start clicking on certain things and that's what just comes up for you so it just like kind of poisons you.

15:14Joanne McNally:Exactly. So I will feed back.

15:16Vogue Williams:Carry on, Vogue. Don't worry. We did notice that we were not invited or thought of for that either but it's fine. No, no, no. Don't you dare. It's a one-way street. It's my personal private time.

15:25Joanne McNally:Personal private time.

15:25Vogue Williams:You don't have personal private time with me. That's it. I am your personal private time. Okay. what did we say we were going to do? I went looking I went looking okay girls why do we do it? why do we go looking?

15:41Joanne McNally:because we know we know

15:43Vogue Williams:you go looking when you know oh look I know I know it's because we know but seriously why? also fuck you Jo as the man in the room oh Jo Jesus my boyfriend okay yeah

15:57Joanne McNally:Jo's frigid she's fine sorry Jo

15:58Vogue Williams:I just added that I just added that line in it wasn't in the email.

16:05Vogue Williams:My boyfriend has always been the type to follow lots of women he barely knows on Insta. But he's, because he's, and he's always taking lunch at work with his girl mates. But I went looking because I was suspicious of his relationship with this one woman at work. He often mentions her and it's always about a funny thing she's said or done and he basically advertising that he fancies her. I've gone into his phone and I knew the place I had to look was on his team's messages to her. Fair play, I wouldn't even think about that. There it was, all day, all the time, constant messages to her about fuck all to do with work.

16:40Vogue Williams:I looked back and in the last two weeks he's mentioned Valentine's to her five times. Five fucking times, like what the fuck? I know exactly what we're doing for Valentine's because it's the same thing we did last year. We'll get a takeaway and he'll make the assumption that I've bought new lingerie just because he bought some shit roses. Don't get me wrong, I'm angry and making it sound bad but I do love him he's just a stupid fucking man but I'm feeling possessive because he's supposed to be my stupid man the last message to this woman was still no plans for Valentine's yet better get creative lol is this guy 12 basically is there any world that exists where I can confront him or is it too sneaky what I did how on earth you have held back from confronting him immediately I would have no self control I would read them and be ringing him at the time of continuously reading the messages I wouldn't be able to help myself so well done can I ask

17:35Joanne McNally:I don't understand the Valentine thing is he asking her if she's got plans

17:38Vogue Williams:yeah he's like kind of like lol what are your plans like you've nothing to organise and like just kind of chatting to her okay so it's him to her

17:45Joanne McNally:yeah

17:45Vogue Williams:yeah yeah yeah he fancies her yeah I'd say he fancies her I'd say that it's the truth it's the truth yeah he probably knows it's gone too far I'd say he still does love you oh no

17:56Joanne McNally:no no no this man will stand head-tail proud what are you talking about we're only chatting I can't have any friends it's a work thing but we all know he's crossing the line he's getting his ego stroked he fancies her sorry

18:11Vogue Williams:I he is crossing the line I if I was in your position that probably wouldn't be something I'd accept and I always feel bad saying this because it's someone's life and it is happening to somebody but like I wouldn't I wouldn't I would be too pissed off at that

18:27Joanne McNally:But the other thing is technically he's done nothing wrong. Like this is just your feelings. You're like, he's giving her too much attention. It's making you uncomfortable. We know there's a flirtation there. He's obviously attracted to her in some way. That's why he's giving her all the attention. Chat, chat, chat, chat, chat all day, all night, whatever. But like he's done nothing wrong technically if you go by the boundaries of a relationship. Like he's not trying to, he's not suggesting they ride. He's not having sex with her. but there is an emotional line that has been crossed in her eyes and I would agree with her I'd be like her I'd be like yeah this is you're playing with fire here and now you're making me feel like shit and it's awful it's a horrible feeling it's a horrible feeling I've been there myself it was horrible I think that everybody

19:12Vogue Williams:would kind of agree with you that it's gone too far and he'll probably try and gaslight you to say that it hasn't gone too far I always look at it and I'm like would I do that to you in a relationship I wouldn't do that to you like what kind of respect level are we at here like there's no way I would cross a line like that with somebody and if Spenny was doing that to me I'd be like you're fucking dead

19:31Joanne McNally:yeah you're out

19:33Vogue Williams:I'd make him go stay with you for a while John oh god

19:37Joanne McNally:I don't know where I'd put him he could go in the Pilates bed two of us head to toe in the bed I'm like we've both pissed her off now we need to make amends we need to get back

19:49Vogue Williams:into the bigger house you need to get out I don't think necessarily you have to like it's the end of a relationship here if you want to try and make it work but that would be a big line crossing for me. That to me is like, it's like when people omit the truth from me so they're not lying to me but they're not telling me the full truth so that in itself is lying to me so this to me would be along the lines of cheating and I'd be like this isn't, it does not sit okay with me.

20:10Joanne McNally:Yeah, there's always technicalities and people will always defend their position and all that. I had a similar situation years ago I was going out with this guy and like that he started this emotional affair with a woman and he who never admitted anything to me like ever because he was also physically cheating but this was just an emotional thing said he admitted he was like yeah look we crossed a line because nothing physical happened she was very much you know defending her position you know exactly what you're fucking playing on you know what you're doing you know exactly what you're doing you know what you're doing it's a betrayal lines were crossed I'll tell you what you know exactly what you're doing

20:44Vogue Williams:you know that you shouldn't be getting involved in people's relationships like that it's not just the woman who's at fault I mean I will go back to the time that I scored that guy, kissed that guy when I was like 16 and he was going out with somebody else. And she actually mailed me. She heard it on the pod. And I have felt so bad about that. I'm just like, I just couldn't be the one to be. But like, then he's leading this girl on as well. Like, why is he constantly mailing her? And like, why is he doing that? Like, why does he need to do that?

21:12Joanne McNally:No, I'm not. I'm not turning this into a boy-girl thing. But what I will say is I've met guys where there's like a vibe maybe or some chemistry. but then they're in a relationship so I'm like oh no you're a grant do you know like I won't engage in it when I was younger I probably wouldn't have had the cop on but now I do I understand it I'm like no no I won't we won't be texting and we won't be ringing and we won't be meeting up do you know

21:38Vogue Williams:yeah

21:39Joanne McNally:anyway I don't know where I've gone with that but yeah it's shit because she can't say she hacked into his meeting messages really she can't like you just can't

21:48Vogue Williams:oh god really no Oh, I just, honestly, I would not be able to hold it in. I wouldn't be. I would be ringing while reading them. I can't. I'm just not that kind of person.

21:59Joanne McNally:Do you know what, actually, Vogue? You're dead right. She's in a position to be like, he's going to defend it. He's going to say nothing happened, blah, blah, blah. Nothing has happened. Fine. But like, whatever. He's dancing the dance with the devil. I'd be like, do you know what? I was really paranoid about it. Something resonated with me. My instincts were on fire. My spidey senses were burning. and yeah I went into your phone and I've seen now there's something going on and I'm not comfortable with it and it sounds really bad but like

22:27Vogue Williams:have the chat with him have the chat with him he's obviously going to defend himself and then just go fucking cold silent on him because it will take him a while to realise it because I'm not like Spenny and I don't fight about things like that but like if me and Spen have a fight about something I'll literally say to him I'll be like you're doing the same thing you're going to apologise to me in about half a day and then we'll talk and I just leave him I'm like if you send me one more message I'm blocking you and like I'll just leave it and you just have to say your piece take a step back and then he'll realise because he will try and gaslight you or set him up set a trap oh god

23:00Joanne McNally:no Jo no you haven't heard it yet I think actually if I'm if I'm if I'm reconnecting with my girlfriend flex my girlfriend muscle which I haven't had for a while what I would do is I'd be like what is the crack with you and this woman it sounds like you're fancier are you like would you be chatting during the day see what he says yeah get him to lie get him to lie

23:24Vogue Williams:see if he defeats the messages and then look again

23:27Joanne McNally:he won't because he'll never think she saw them he'll never think get him see what he says see what he says and if he lies about it now you have him by the balls and then you go well actually one two skip review FYI I fucking hacked into your messages and I know you're chatting to her all day so now you're lying to me about it what's going on?

23:49Vogue Williams:Or That's what I would do Leave it like a day say it to him ask that question he'll deny it leave it a day then check again and if he's deleted the chat which he might do Joanne they're not all that stupid if he's deleted the chat then you say well I looked at your chat and then I looked again after he spoke and you deleted it all so if there was nothing wrong why did you delete it?

24:09Joanne McNally:Objection objection your honour she doesn't need Sustained She's sustained Overruled she doesn't need to check it again because she's well within her rights because he's being snaky. Guilty. He's being snaky. As charged. No, but I would. I would test him. I would test the waters. I'd be like, are you chatting to her all day? And please let us know what happens. Let us know what happens. I mean, it could be innocent enough but I just don't think it is. I'm sorry. Join the female commune. Get rid of this lad. He's a snake.

24:39Vogue Williams:Joanne and I are essentially starting our own commune. She's coming to live beside me and that's our commune. We're starting it.

24:45Joanne McNally:It's the only way. That's why I'm going to this talk on how the algorithm is driving us all apart because I've really lost faith in the system.

24:55Vogue Williams:Okay, everyone, thank you so much for listening. Thanks a million. We'll see you on the next one. That has been enlightening. I've enjoyed myself. I've enjoyed both of you.

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