MTGM EXTRA! "My friend's husband..."

0:02This is a Global Player original podcast.

0:10Joanne McNally:Hello, welcome to the bonus episode of My Therapist Ghosted Me with myself, Joanne McNally, coming in from Derry, and my partner, Vogue Williams, coming in from London. I'd like to point out that Joanne is currently in her boffice, I've just realised.

0:27Yeah, we're in my boffice.

0:31Joanne McNally:I'm here filing things and working in my boffas

0:38Joanne McNally:I just see the point of standing outside of the boffas for you two and no one can see me

0:47I've had a morning and a half already my god why? oh just some mornings I drop the kids to school and it's usually the nicest thing in the world but Otto just wasn't having it today and he was just whinging he wanted me to carry him so I have him on my shoulders with a scooter and a dog it's I feel like I've kind of run a marathon and I've just come home and then he's starving and I was like you had breakfast anyway this will be a good refresh mothering restart mothering restart mothering

1:17Joanne McNally:well if it's any consolation I had an awful night's sleep I was dying to ask you about that because I'm not happy about it because I don't I always feel bad for people who have a nice night's sleep and I did mail Jo this morning I was like Jo I'm just gonna let you know Joanne has been up till about half three in the morning it looks from her insta she hasn't slept we might have to move the pod well no no no I'd always get up and martyr myself and power through like a trooper but I I did that thing where I was very tired yesterday before the show I'm in Derry so I bashed a giant can of Red Bull for that fake sweet energy that poisonous energy and then the wings really kicked in about 1am and then that was it.

2:02Joanne McNally:Tossing and turning and yeah too hot you know hotel rooms they're either like you're either like what is with it anyway they just can't regulate themselves hotel rooms emotionally physically heat wise but you know what I watched a lot of last night you've obviously seen it so I was talking about it on Insta this show so there was have you heard of the Murdoch murders Vogue? I have, yeah. Oh, great. So, for anyone who hasn't heard, the Murdoch murders are, it's a true crime, it's a true crime beauty from South Carolina in the States, about a very well-to-do legal family who got themselves into a lot of trouble, which is the understatement of the century.

2:47Joanne McNally:Basically, everyone's dead. And I listened to the podcast years ago, then there was a documentary on efforts, and now there's a serialised, dramatised version. on Disney Plus and it's very good. That's my little rack for today. Disney are pulling out all the stops lately, aren't they? They actually are doing a really good job. They've loads of good stuff coming in. Did you see that documentary that's going to come out on Caroline Flack and everything that happened to her around the time of her death? And my, my management company looked after her and one of my manager looked after her and she's part of the documentary and she just is like, it is the wildest thing to watch and Spenny interviewed her mom recently like yesterday I think and he was just like if you hear the story it is just crazy what went on and how things changed and like what she had to go through and like God it's just so awful when you just but like stuff like that still goes on.

3:47Joanne McNally:To be honest I have seen the advertising for the new Carly Flags documentary and I was surprised that there was still more to be told of that story. I thought that was kind of done and dusted. Well, I don't think the public really know. Like, obviously she had a massive, she had like so much trolling and abuse online. But also it's around the way the police handled it and how they brought a case to CPS that was never actually a case and like how she was just like kind of made an example of and like how like the papers ran pictures of that like scene when that's actually not what the scene was, but they made it look like it was something else.

4:25and I don't know if they go into that because you and I know about that but I don't know if it's public knowledge.

4:31Joanne McNally:I think, are you talking about the blood? I think it's a bit graphic but wasn't that her own blood and it looks like in the photo that it was her partner's blood that she'd drawn that from him. Yeah, yeah, I do remember that. But I mean, I'll be watching. I was a big Caroline Flack fan and I think it's awful what happened to her. God love her. It's just desperate. Yeah, so I'm definitely going to watch that. I'm reading a book. Let me give you a book record. Like yourself, I couldn't sleep a few nights ago. That was the night Svenny woke me up three times. And usually I just, I'm like, okay, I'll read a book.

5:00But like, you know, when you finish a really good book and then you're like, I have to start a new book. I hate starting new books because I just want it to be good. This book from the start, now I haven't finished it. So if it gets really bad, don't blame me. But one good thing is so good. It's by Alexandra Potter. And I, from the second page, I was like, I really liked this book. And that never happens. literally from the second page I was like I'm going to enjoy reading this and I am nearly halfway through still love it very wholesome yeah so there's a little brecco I feel better already

5:35Joanne McNally:you're not saying recco folk please no I can't my ears are bleeding Joanne if I want to give a recco after having my brecky before I go on my halliers to Scotland I will it's so annoying I know I hate me too I'm sorry but it's the person I am I'm sorry We can fix that You don't have to say it I don't know who's making you feel You have to Joanne I've tried to get help I have tried and I just haven't been able to Not enough I'm happy to be involved I'm happy to fund it If there's a clinic we can send her to To treat On the back to Marco

6:24Joanne McNally:to treat abbreviations. I'm willing to chip in. I'm willing to do it. I've done hours of CBT. It hasn't helped. I don't know where I go to next. I'm sorry. I was on a program for it and it just hasn't worked out well. What about that? What about that therapy that they put? You look at beeps. You look at red dots with your eyes. I've heard that's really good. Do you know that one I'm talking about? do you want me to get an botany? It's for trauma so either you get it or I get it one of us is going to have to get it because if this continues I'm going to be in there for it's going to be me going to Marco for PTSD and wake up, that's why I couldn't sleep last night, it was just a image of you going sassos, sassos, sassos I do, I do say, listen do you know what, the worst thing that I say and actually when I say it I'm like I call Sven Odada and I'm like please stop, please, please stop, please anything.

7:20I can't take it anymore. And it comes out of my mouth. I'm like, stop calling them data in front of people. Stop doing it. And I text them in. I think a lot of

7:28Joanne McNally:parents call each other mommy and daddy. I mean, it's quite an 80s thing, I think. But I've heard the term bandied around between parents. I know. It's funny that I wouldn't know what's okay in your book now. I'm surprised that you're okay with that. That would be a real trigger for me. Because it's a true status. like I mean to be honest if I had to choose I wouldn't mind you calling me daddy if we remember we got rid of Wrecko is that an option can we shop one in a Louis shop one out in a order If I get rid of Wrecko and I call you daddy I'm sorry I could do you know it's because I lived Joanne it's because I lived in Australia stop slagging off the Australians you're about to go on tour there don't slag their abbreviations that's where I got it from Vogue I mean I hate to break the news to you but I also lived in Australia Okay Joanne how long did you live there for because I was a real native that you're not fine same as me that's fine you obviously weren't hanging out with you obviously went there and weren't even a real Australian because you only hung out with Irish people I was hanging out with Australians okay you're in the underbelly of the Aussie culture clearly I get it absolutely yeah I was a proper Auss Australian starting to relearn your own language by the way I had an Australian dog by the way Winnie yeah when he's almost did you never hear the accent he's the one he kept saying rack out I know it was him it was really Sasa's that started it all to be honest Joanne finished him off because she couldn't take it anymore stop that's terrible

9:04Joanne McNally:speaking of Dizzy Plus and I think we should do a more substantial discussion on the main but just I can't I can't not bring it up at this point have you seen the reviews of Oldsfare with your podcast. Yes. I'm sorry. Did I speak to you about this already? No. Did I speak to you about it? No. Okay, listen. Here's, right. I'm not even paid to say this. I'm done now. I wasn't allowed to talk about it until it came out. What did people expect? It's everything I wanted. I'm on app too. I have them downloaded. I'm going to Scotland today. I have them downloaded for the pain. It's like, you're not going to get something more heavy hitting than like selling Sunset.

9:51It's that kind of vibe. It's like a courtroom drama full of amazing archive clothes. Is it ridiculous? Yes, it is. Do I absolutely love it? Have you watched it? It is. I adore it. I think people were expecting Law and Order or something. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. That's never what it was going to be. It's Kim Kardashian in a show producing it. It's gas.

10:14Joanne McNally:sorry just to explain what we're talking about it has been universally panned it has 0 % on Rotten Tomatoes The Guardian gave it 0 stars which I'm not sure if that's ever been done before and they're kind of saying it's not even a hate watch it's just unwatchable someone was like it's the worst TV show ever made it's really bottom of the barrel but folk I agree with you I'm going to give it a go I'm going to give it a go and I think it's going to be is it like I was about to compare it to Dynasty which is actually highly offensive to Dynasty but I'm going to I'm going to give it a go. I think it's that ridiculous style TV show.

10:47Joanne McNally:I mean, Kris Jenner is exec producer, like you say. You want to see the PJs they're on. It's amazing. All the jewellery, like it's like this, the houses they're in, it's mental. And it's just like, it's so outrageously out of this world that I love it. And I love watching TV that I can just sit and kind of just melt into the couch. I want mindless TV. Spence sits there watching Ed Gein's. I can't sleep after that shit. I don't want to see someone having sex with dead bodies. I don't want to see it. I want to see Kim Kardashian in an 80s parachute. Yeah. And also, I have to say, as someone who is, you know, doing a bit acting myself at the moment, Kim K's acting style is very much my brand.

11:32Yeah.

11:33Joanne McNally:I like that kind of deadpan, clearly reading an autocue with one eye, delivering the line with the other. absolutely no facial reaction no movement very I would say what would you say reassuring you know exactly what you're going to get there's going to be no big rollercoaster emotionally no highs and lows she says hello goodnight with the same energy like I've just been murdered I love it tell you what if they ask me to be in series 2 I jump with the chance and do you know what else I do it for free that's how much I'd love to do it obviously I'd do anything with Kim Kardashian but I'm just saying it's not just because I love Kim Kardashian.

12:11It's because like you've got Glenn Close, you've got Naomi Watts. Strange that they're in it, yes, but they're in it. You've got Sarah Paulson who's a brilliant character in it. I just think it's, I think it's really, really funny and I think people were just expecting some like high-end like drama. I don't think I would call it a drama myself. It's really, really, it's just, it's funny in parts. Anyway, I think everyone should just give it a go. Watch one. I loved it.

12:37Joanne McNally:I'm desperate to know what that cast is getting paid because let's face it Glenn Close being in that is like I mean what's it like it's like you getting paid to cut the ribbon on a nativity play like it's like what is you know it's beneath her sorry it's beneath her I'm sorry I just I struggle really now to tear it apart I've enjoyed it and if that says a lot about me I don't care I just want mindless TV I don't watch TV to like learn stuff I just want to chill I read my books to learn stuff okay it's like rejoining the circus it's just unexpected I actually do you know what that's your homework this weekend and listeners as well oh no it's not the weekend that's your homework this week it's a midweek watch it's fine just watch one and we can all decide what we all think about it but I I would just like to say I'm not saying it's gonna like you're not gonna learn anything from it but I think that you're just going to sit and chill and enjoy it and kind of giggle away to it.

13:43Joanne McNally:I just have to finish watching the Murdoch family get murdered and then I will move straight on to Kim K manning a legal office. I will reverse. Well I'm excited to hear what you think.

14:05Hi ladies and Joe. If you're back from vacationing again Yeah Joe Always on holidays That one He's a great life Big fan etc etc

14:14Joanne McNally:And he's always crying But he's a great life Fantastic life Always crying for himself Yeah Giving out about his life Great life I'd say he never The bag's never unpacked So what if some holidays Are to a mental institution Joe You're still getting out And about Okay Okay I have a big problem When my son started school It obviously took some time To get to know The other parents etc I finally got friends with another mom. Super fun person, etc. I really like her. Then in comes her husband. When I say my jaw dropped like I was drooling. He's the most beautiful man I've ever seen. I'm not alone. Lots of the mom fancies him.

14:56But I mean, I have inappropriate thoughts about him.

14:59Joanne McNally:Yeah, okay. Well, thoughts is fine. Recently, we were over in the house and me and him got chatting more than usual and got on really well. He started hugging me, holding me around the waist. There obviously had been drinks, but it was so flirty. I don't think he thinks anything of it. He's probably just a flirt. But I can't be thinking this about him, right? I love my friend and this is so wrong. You might be asking, but what about your relationship situation? And this doesn't say the best about that, to which I can tell you that you are totally right. My husband and I have been having lots of issues lately and haven't been intimate in a long time.

15:31So is that just someone has shown me affection that I'm well, let's call a spade a spade, obsessing and man masturbating, oh, I was going to say man-bating, and masturbating over him.

15:41Joanne McNally:Oh, yeah. Rough, rough to the races. I'll tell you one thing. Joanne never stops doing that about Spencer. Never stops. Why do you think she's got so many products for that masturbating stuff? she's always at it one breaks down thinking about him his ears are always burning I'm in the middle of it now if you wouldn't mind hurrying up and just get back to it you're interrupting it you're interrupting my spend Paul how can I stay friends with him if I feel like this we're planning holidays next so we're done go the fucking holidays that's for sure I would say a lot of that has to do with you and your husband having problems and like you obviously really are probably quite horny at the moment if you're not getting intimate so you kind of have to start looking after yourself a bit more you don't think about your husband because he's pissing you off anyway that that would ruin the game for you and I think that this new fella is in the bank for you and you want to think about him but it's awkward yeah but I wouldn't god it could get real bad now that could turn messy I think this happens all the time I'd say this is like classic 101 friends fancying each other's partners.

17:00Joanne McNally:I'd say that happens all the time and I'd say a lot of affairs happen because of it because ultimately your partner long term, you're bored of them after a while and then you fresh meet that you get to know it's the way when we were younger you'd always fancy your boyfriend's friends because they were around and you didn't know them that well so you could flirt with them. There was always a bit of the unknown there it was always a bit of strange. I'd say it happens all the time. That's where I don't, that's where I'm never going to get married. I'd be constantly accusing my husband to fancy my mates because they're fantastic.

17:27Joanne McNally:I fancy them. I just think that even when you're married it doesn't mean that your brain just switches off and you just don't think someone's attractive anymore. It's completely normal to think people are attractive and that wouldn't even really bother me. I would think, just because you're on a diet doesn't mean you can look at the menu. I always say that. You can't look at the menu. You can always think that somebody's attractive just don't do it in front of your partner like be staring someone out of it don't let them see just because you have one job doesn't mean you can't get a second one well you shouldn't get the second job but you can go for the interview sorry you can go for the interview you're right sorry well you can look you can scroll through LinkedIn but maybe don't go for the interview send a CV possibly after a drink well okay okay well yeah yeah but the truth is you're like he was flirting of course he was like i'm not i don't mean to piss into his wife's cornflakes but attractive men like that i mean come on if you're an attractive person who gets a lot of your validation from being attractive that muscle that muscle doesn't go away if that's where your validation comes from you need that for the rest of your life.

18:46Joanne McNally:I've seen it in people. I've seen, I've dealt with people whose, their thing is that they're attractive. And so then that becomes their entire thing and then I watch them kind of search that out socially and it's like, oh, okay. I've seen it happen. So yeah, I'd say he was definitely flirting with you. The holiday might be ill-advised. I mean, keep us in the loop. I don't think you'd even like the holiday if you went on it. You wouldn't like it. If I was around an attractive husband who was flirting with me, I'd probably, you know, get involved meant creatively not physically creatively maybe get involved yeah that actually does this all makes sense yeah she wants to feel she makes her feel attractive she makes him feel attractive boom so good look at that let us know how it progresses think about the consequences think about the consequences of taking that into the real world think about that just enjoy the flirtation I would say yeah keep it close to yourself the consequences aren't worth it sorry you couldn't Jesus imagine waking up with the fear now You read it all the time My husband ran off With my best friend My wife ran off With my best friend They're always running No one ever just leaves on foot At a normal pace They're always lagging it It happens all the time Next email Joanne The future for Joanne Abogue Hi girls and Jo I worked in hotels On receptions for many years And have many a good story But one that has always Stuck with me is this one I was working the morning shift On reception And a couple came to check out They did not have a happy face so I knew a complaint was coming and it did.

20:16They were livid. Asked me why we would put them near a hen party when we knew they were a couple and wanted a quiet night. They could not believe we would have put them right bang in the middle of the hen night. Now this hotel was a very old-fashioned hotel. Hen nights were not really our thing so I was confused. There was no hen night in last night. What were they talking about? So I told them to go and have breakfast and I will check the cameras and see what was going on and have some sort of answer for them. Well, I checked the cameras and I couldn't believe what I saw. There had been a group of women in-house for an 80th birthday and they decided to play Ding Dong Ditch on their way to bed at 2am.

20:54So I watched on the camera as three of the women knocked on this couple's door then tried to run away. However, they did not make it very far which was not surprising especially considering one, we will call her Betty was on a Zimmer frame. Now Betty was the birthday girl. I know this as there were balloons and a naked inflatable man tied to her Zimmer frame.

21:16Joanne McNally:That's hilarious. Betty knocked on the door, tried to run away, but fell over with her Zimmer frame on top of her. I can only describe her as looking like an upside down turtle. She couldn't get up. Her legs were in the air. Her Zimmer frame was shaking with the laughing and she was doing, she was doing, and as for her friends, we'll call them Biddy and Arlene, they were a little less than helpful. They were laughing so hard that Biddy crashed into a different door and went flying onto the floor. There was a moment where they stopped laughing as Biddy wasn't moving. But then she stuck the hand in the air and chaos ensued once more.

21:49Eileen was crossing her legs, trying not to have an accident, and Betty was still on her back on the floor, not able to get up. Eventually, Betty was able to get up, but Biddy and Eileen could only continue by crawling on the floor. Betty then proceeded to knock on the door and try it all again. This went on for a long time. So I can only imagine how late this was if you're in the room, they were outside. So, of course, when the couple returned looking for answers, I was speechless. I did not know how to describe to them what I saw. So I let them look on the camera and they both just turned to me and said, well, fair enough then.

22:23We all agreed that we hope we have that much fun for our 80th birthdays. So ladies, whenever I think of this story, I can just picture the two of you like this for your 80th birthdays. I very much hope it would be like, I will be like that too.