In short
The hosts recap summer social chaos, especially Wimbledon (Emirates tent caviar, watching tennis, branding pink “tennis balls”), and debate dating etiquette—blocking/ghosting “losers” vs being kind and direct.
Guests
No named guests appear; it’s a roundtable between the hosts (Joanne McNally, Joe, and “Spenny” referenced as a friend/partner in stories).
Key claims
One host says she’s never late and describes bailing on a Harry Styles concert after realizing she couldn’t make it; she also claims Harry Styles mentioned her in print via her ex-husband’s partner. Another host argues that if someone might be a dick, blocking can be justified; counterpoint: ghosting/blocking can still be harmful and should be replaced with clear communication.
Notable examples
Wimbledon outfit changed to avoid looking like a tennis ball; Spencer’s friend allegedly bought a Wimbledon Ralph Lauren-sponsored mannequin/statue; a listener email praises “Katie Price justice” and “say long Queen, that guy is a loser” after being love-bombed and ghosted.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOGigi's Birthday Party Plans
0:05 to 0:24
Discussion about upcoming plans for Gigi's birthday party.
“I'm just here as a pawn in a giant game.”
Wimbledon Recap and Celebrity Sightings
0:24 to 1:38
Reflections on Wimbledon and mentions of celebrities like Harry Styles.
“I'm getting pumped up for Gigi's birthday party.”
Social Calendar and Busy Days
1:38 to 2:10
Exploring the busy social calendar and events attended by the hosts.
Ticket Rescheduling and Celebrity Connections
2:10 to 2:56
Discussion about rescheduling concert tickets and celebrity interactions.
“Now, obviously, I sound very booked and busy.”
Wimbledon Experience and Etiquette
2:56 to 3:46
Sharing experiences at Wimbledon and the etiquette expected at such events.
“Sorry, who's giving you these tickets that you're rescheduling?”
Discussing the Perks of Invitations
3:46 to 4:25
Debating the perks and responsibilities of being invited to prestigious events.
“I was due to play and I said, you know what?”
Discussion on Caviar and Wealth Perception
4:25 to 5:36
Lighthearted talk about the perception of wealth and experiences with caviar.
“I'm very aware of not riling people because I'm also very aware that we are very lucky that we do get tickets to stuff like this.”
Spencer's Humorous Wimbledon Story
5:36 to 6:40
A funny story about Spencer's embarrassing experience at Wimbledon.
“Listen, if you want this podcast to fall apart because we have two unrelatable women, fine.”
Harry Styles and Personal Connections
6:40 to 8:05
Discussion on personal connections to Harry Styles and past interactions.
“Well, I'm not missing a moment because Bear by Vogue, we've got the team on the ground there next week and we've got all these bare by Vogue tennis balls.”
Fact-Checking Celebrity Stories
8:05 to 9:15
Exploring the validity of celebrity stories and claims made by the hosts.
“Spenny basically invited one of his friends to Wimbledon and he was like, oh great, it's going to be such a lovely day to go to.”
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The Confusion of Truth in Storytelling
14:00 to 15:00
Explore the challenges of distinguishing truth in storytelling among friends.
“Well, listen, I'm going to get my internet sleuthing.”
Harry Styles and Fan Dynamics
15:00 to 17:00
Discuss the evolution of Harry Styles' fanbase and the implications of his fame.
“You're obsessed with my podcast wife, Phil Goodens.”
Navigating Relationships and Ghosting
17:00 to 19:00
Delve into the complexities of ghosting and how personal experiences shape responses.
“they would absolutely not hesitate to do whatever they wanted in the situation without a care in the world or a millisecond of thought as to how the other person might feel.”
Conversations on Accountability
19:00 to 20:40
Reflect on accountability in relationships and the importance of communication.
“Had I known he was obsessed with you, I would have contacted him directly for tickets.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:02Vogue Williams:This is a global production.
0:04Joanne McNally:How on earth have you not dropped that clanger before?
0:08Vogue Williams:You don't even like that.
0:09Joanne McNally:I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm just here as a pawn in a giant game. He has no respect for me. I'm out. This is how awful rumours start.
0:24Joanne McNally:I'm getting pumped up for Gigi's birthday party. So I'm pre-drinking.
0:30Vogue Williams:Imagine you arrived at Gigi's birthday. Absolutely.
0:35Joanne McNally:I've seen that. Do you know, I need to go up and do one of those fun, you know, when the cool aunt, the child-free aunt arrives and she's just chain-smoking on the slide with the kids. That's what I need to do. That'll be you, yeah.
0:47Vogue Williams:I'll get you a super soaker, will I? Do you know what? I'd actually love a super soaker. I know you would.
0:55Joanne McNally:I know all the things that you like. Very south side there. A super soaker.
0:58Vogue Williams:I am not Irish, but even I know that that was incredibly Dublin Southside. Super sauker.
1:05Joanne McNally:Super sauker. I disgust myself.
1:09Vogue Williams:Well, you don't disgust us, but I want to know.
1:12Joanne McNally:How was Wimbledon?
1:14Vogue Williams:Couldn't get a hold of you, I said, yeah. And I thought, Jesus, do you own stories? I feel very light on the Harry Styles. For such a busy day. Such a busy girl. But calendar-wise, that's what was happening, wasn't it? Maybe.
1:26Joanne McNally:Yes. Maybe Harry wasn't her thing.
1:32Joanne McNally:well Vogue she knows full well she likes to poke the bear she looks Vogue loves I think you sexually climatise to someone saying you were right I think that's if Spencer if he's struggling to finish up give it to me if he's struggling and you're taking ages if he just goes you were right all along I'd say she just spasms with pleasure is that right that's what I think are we going to need
1:54Vogue Williams:to put parental advisory on this video you're about to climax I am prepped and ready don't worry I'll save it for the wank bank later that's your kink your kink is being told
2:04Joanne McNally:do you know what you were riding all along I should have listened to you
2:09Vogue Williams:I'm having a big day out I'm going to do two things are you sure Joanne and then I started questioning myself I thought both you're pregnant and you're boring and that's what's happened you would do two things and then I thought I don't think I would do two things and I know Joanne won't do two things
2:25Joanne McNally:it was two It was three things, actually, because we had the pod record and then I had Wimbledon and Harry Styles. Now, obviously, I sound very booked and busy. That's an unusual state of affairs. It's just the way the social calendar fell over the summer. Super secret. Anyway, I obviously bailed on Harry. So, Taz... And he's not replying to my text now, so I've obviously pissed him off. And you've only got two more. He's got two more concerts, though. I have rescheduled. I'm going in on Saturday. Are you actually... Sorry, who's giving you these tickets
2:59Vogue Williams:that you're rescheduling?
3:00Joanne McNally:I know. I can't. I can't. I'm taking the fifth. I'm taking the fifth, but I'm just going to say, if you see me hanging out with Zoe Kravitz, don't be too shocked.
3:12Vogue Williams:Well, I will say. If she's not going to give any evidence on how she got tickets, I can give a bit of evidence here just for context's sake.
3:20Joanne McNally:Harry's a big fan of the pod, Joe, as is Zoe.
3:22Vogue Williams:Absolutely. So they want you there. We recorded the podcast and I was walking out of Joanne's at 10, no, 11.30.
3:32Joanne McNally:Yeah.
3:33Vogue Williams:And I will say that the champagne was open.
3:35Joanne McNally:Yes, it was because it's Wimbledon Day and I'm not playing. If I was playing, I wouldn't. And Jo, it was hot.
3:43Vogue Williams:It was hot. Yeah, Jo, it's hot. It was dreadfully hot. It was hot. She was really hot.
3:49Joanne McNally:She was trying to hydrate. I was due to play and I said, you know what? CBA couldn't be arsed I might play next year but this year I'm just going to have champagne and hang around and dilly dally and just be one of those really annoying people who everyone's like you don't even know
4:03Vogue Williams:who's playing did you stay till the end? em I think I did actually were people still playing tennis when you left?
4:15Joanne McNally:I think they were there was definitely some tennis happening at Wibletown that I can't confirm
4:21Vogue Williams:ok you have to you have to tell us the truth
4:23Joanne McNally:How much tennis did you watch? I'm very aware of not riling people because I'm also very aware that we are very lucky that we do get tickets to stuff like this. And I'm also aware that there's people queuing and selling organs to get in. So as funny as I think it is to sound very flippant about it, I did also go and watch the tennis. Just in case anyone thinks I just sat on the lawn getting deranged all day, I didn't. I also saw some supporters.
4:50Vogue Williams:Well, it's nice of you to say that, but like I don't think any one of our listeners or myself or Jo Believey but it's nice that you would say that.
4:58Joanne McNally:What are you talking about? Of course. Come on now. I know I'm lazy but I'm not that bad.
5:03Vogue Williams:I just Joanne just doesn't feel very Joanne.
5:07Joanne McNally:Thank you for Emirates for inviting me in.
5:09Vogue Williams:Did they have the caviar? Did they have that? They did. Did they? It looks like they did. You don't even like that. I'm sorry.
5:18Joanne McNally:I'm sorry. I know I don't deserve it but I'm not I'm certainly not going to turn it down. I think you should, John. I know it's... This is what happens when you move into such a big mansion like John. Shut up, folk. I know what you're trying to do and I won't have it.
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5:36Vogue Williams:I can finally do it. It makes me so...
5:43Joanne McNally:I know what she's doing. Listen, if you want this podcast to fall apart because we have two unrelatable women, fine. John, you had people believing I owned a helicopter her at 1.2 years ago. I'm here. I'm keeping our legs in the ground here. Okay? Carry on with this. Snort and caviar in the Emirates tent. I'm just saying, I'm aware. I have enough self-awareness to know that if you go to Wimbledon, if you're lucky enough to be invited in, you have to go to the tennis.
6:16Vogue Williams:Ah, yeah. They do. They shuttle you out. They don't let you just sit there getting pissed. They do shuttle you out. But the tennis is part of the buzz.
6:25Joanne McNally:I was keen to go anyway.
6:27Vogue Williams:Okay. That's what people do when they've made a scene and they're being thrown out. They go, I was going anyway. Don't push your luck. She's pushing her luck.
6:37Joanne McNally:They've caused a scene.
6:39Vogue Williams:She couldn't wait.
6:40Joanne McNally:You can't force me to watch it. You can actually.
6:43Vogue Williams:Well, I'm not missing a moment because Bear by Vogue, we've got the team on the ground there next week and we've got all these bare by Vogue tennis balls. And I'm like, sorry? Are you serious? Send me the tennis balls and I will be amongst the crowd doing Wimbledon content. I'll tell you. I'm going to try and shove tennis balls on my heels and wear them. Are you serious? Yeah, we got bare by Vogue pink tennis balls. Pink? Why not brown? Oh, because brown doesn't look great. Yeah. Come on. Do you want a shitty tennis ball? Like, no one wants that. Short of the point, though.
7:19Joanne McNally:No, he's right there. You can't fault him on that one now. As marketing, as branding goes, it should be brown.
7:26Vogue Williams:Our branding is pink, okay? And we're not doing...
7:31Joanne McNally:It would look like people were just hitting fecal matter across the court for the day. On balls, it doesn't look good. But on women, it looks great.
7:40Vogue Williams:I had to change my whole outfit for women's own because I had this gorgeous, like, neon, you know those Serena boot dresses? And it was so neon yellow. And Spenny was like, I love it, but at Wimbledon, you'll look like a tennis ball. And I actually had to, I was like, you're dead right. I can't wear that to Wimbledon.
7:56Joanne McNally:Yeah. I'll never forget one of the funniest stories you tell me about Spencer. And we do, we do love, we do love his stories. Do you remember the year that he went into Wimbledon and bought the entire costume from the Wimbledon shop?
8:08Vogue Williams:This is how awful rumours start.
8:12Joanne McNally:Did he not do that? No. So, Spenny invited one.
8:16Vogue Williams:Was he not dressed like a ball boy?
8:17Joanne McNally:What happened?
8:18Vogue Williams:I thought that's what happened. It's kind of along the lines. It's along the lines. Spenny basically invited one of his friends to Wimbledon and he was like, oh great, it's going to be such a lovely day to go to. And then his friend, you know the friend.
8:30Joanne McNally:That was a friend. Sorry, I thought it was Spencer. I just enjoyed that version more so I just made it happen in my head. Yeah.
8:37Vogue Williams:Well, I think it works better. The friend went into Ralph Lauren when Ralph Lauren were like sponsoring Wimbledon and he basically bought the Wimbledon statue. That's like the mannequin. He bought the mannequin. And Spenny was like, you can't, like, it was too late. He was at Wimbledon when he saw him and he was like, please, like, I can't go around. This is secondhand embarrassment for me that I'm going around with you. Like, you're dressed in their uniform. How did nobody tell you? I think the people in Ralph Lauren were like, what? Well, someone has to wear it.
9:07Joanne McNally:Why are they selling it? Who's buying it? I don't know.
9:11Vogue Williams:I don't know. I mean, and I wouldn't have been cheap in there. I would have been waiting for the cast-offs. I'll get the cast-offs. Yeah, yeah.
9:19Joanne McNally:Anyway, I'm glad you had a good day.
9:21Vogue Williams:And I did think, I did feel Harry Styles was too much. I meant to go to Harry Styles today. I already turned down my ticket. It was with a friend of mine. And to say I deeply regret it. And he's texting me and he's like, I'm going to send you pictures later. And I'm like, don't, because I will block you. I'll block you.
9:36Joanne McNally:Yeah, well, the party of people that went. They look like a crack. when I lost the stamina in the day, said it was absolutely brilliant. I'm trying to think who in that party
9:47Vogue Williams:is getting you a ticket. Let me see.
9:49Joanne McNally:I missed out. Whatever. I've rescheduled and I understand how I am lucky. I don't want to sound like a spoiled bitch, but obviously with something, obviously you're going to take them.
9:59Vogue Williams:We want to know, what time did you say, oh, no, I couldn't. When was it obvious? When did you know that the steam was running? Let's guess. Let's play a texting game. Don't tell us. Oh, 2.30. 2.30. Oh, that was...
10:09Joanne McNally:Well, the day was, it was an early start and we wanted to be in for Shania. And also, obviously, with the crowds and the queues and stuff. So the arrangement was to meet in around the Wembley area at five, which is quite early, really. Yeah. And you were planning to work in a nap as well, weren't you? Well, I mean, once I realised the napping wasn't, yeah, I know. I had unrealistic expectations of the day. I hold my hands up and say I misread the day Joe guess your time
10:44Vogue Williams:I think so she was I'll check my phone I think she was at Wimbledon at 1 I think by half past 1 I think she decided she already called it at half 1 I'm going to check Hey listeners get your time in your heads when did she pull it
11:03Joanne McNally:oh it was bad I don't know how bad this makes me look I'm worried about reputational damage
11:12Vogue Williams:it was on the way
11:19Joanne McNally:I'm just trying to figure out if this is in my interest to share this
11:23Vogue Williams:how bad can it be? it can't be that bad don't tell me it was midday
11:27Joanne McNally:no it was later than that it was quite late it was around the 5 o 'clock mark
11:36Vogue Williams:around the meeting mark yes yeah oh i'm not gonna make it yeah well i think they were due about half i think i started trying to make calls at around half four yeah i just knew and i and i i'm i'm
11:49Joanne McNally:i'm you know i'm allergic to i'm a i'm a yes woman and i hate i hate any sort of confrontation so i'm obviously when i decide i can't do something i can't make it work i then even though i know what I'm going to do I don't have to build myself up to saying I'm not going and then I just I feel just I let the shame flow around my body for a solid hour and a half to two hours before I actually just bite the bullet and make the call it's awful
12:13Vogue Williams:Joanne McNally you're not a you are not a yes person what you are is a person who's not late is what I will say yeah and everyone I say that to is like I don't believe that and I'm like no I swear to God she's never late very punctual very punctual one of my strangest traits I don't want I'm not showing off but I feel like when we talk about Harry Styles I should probably bring up At that time he spoke about me in an interview. What?
12:34Joanne McNally:Yeah. Yeah. Are you sure he wasn't talking about the magazine?
12:39Vogue Williams:No, Joanne, actually. He was referring to my ex-husband's current partner, and that wasn't me at the time. Mm-hmm. What? No. In the magazine, they asked him who he would like to go on a date with, and he said my ex-husband's name. He said his girlfriend, and it was me. are you actually taking the piss? Yeah, so I feel like
13:03Joanne McNally:No, so you just said yes, you are taking the piss?
13:05Vogue Williams:No, I'm not taking the piss.
13:06Joanne McNally:Well, you said yes, which is confusing.
13:08Vogue Williams:So what I'm saying is Harry Styles is madly in the film.
13:11Joanne McNally:Sorry, so how on earth have you not dropped that clanger before?
13:16Vogue Williams:I'm sure I have. I'm sure I've brought it up quite a few times. Never in my life. You never heard that, Jo? No. Jo, have you heard that? Is that in print? It was in print, yeah. Are you looking at all? I'm not calling you a liar. I'm not, but I'm saying Well, don't you dare. If it was out there, we'd be able to find it.
13:31Joanne McNally:You do have a habit of...
13:36Vogue Williams:I don't lie about people saying nice things about me. Are you embellishing? Joe, I didn't embellish it at all. I had to bring up my ex-husband. He didn't even know my actual name. He just knew I existed. That's all I need from Harry. I have just asked ChatGPT, and it says it doesn't have any record of Harry Styles ever having mentioned you. Well, by name. He doesn't mention me by name. I told you. Fine.
14:00Joanne McNally:Well, listen, I'm going to get my internet sleuthing. I don't fucking dare you, Joe. Trying to take this away from me. Well, we've got to fact check.
14:06Vogue Williams:It's my job.
14:07Joanne McNally:Folks, sometimes you'll tell a story and then when the joke comes to a natural end, you'll just keep going. And then we get really confused as to whether it's a true story or not.
14:18Joanne McNally:And you just keep saying it's true and it's clearly not true. And then me and Joe get really confused.
14:23Vogue Williams:No, you know me. And then we have to start a separate WhatsApp group
14:25Joanne McNally:to try and figure out what's happening. so
14:28Vogue Williams:as much as you're never late I never lie I can't do it yeah I don't lie
14:34Joanne McNally:everyone lies everyone lies
14:36Vogue Williams:I would say I lie probably the least of everybody I'm terrified I can't even like I can't even like break rules I just there's just this annoying thing in me that I just can't do it anyway
14:48Joanne McNally:I think you should be really careful saying this out loud because the people who are into Harry Styles anyone he fancies they try to assassinate yeah so I would keep this information well on the podcast are they still at that though do they not like his new his new his fiance i think maybe the harry styles his audience have grown up with him and they're not quite as fanatically mad as maybe people were at the start they've kind of gotten a bit used to
15:12Vogue Williams:him now and uh yeah they probably know that like their chances that harry are are low well when i
15:18Joanne McNally:when i when i meet harry on saturday i'll i'll tell him tell him that i'm like i think you know
15:22Vogue Williams:I'm right but willing. You're obsessed with my podcast wife,
15:28Joanne McNally:Phil Goodens. Sorry, Zoe. This is awkward for all of us.
15:32Vogue Williams:Zoe, I know you're sounding right there. He said what he said.
15:34Joanne McNally:He said what he said.
15:35Vogue Williams:He's harbored those feelings for many years. Many, many years. Those words were binding. Yeah, they were. Well, they were for me. They were for me. And if I have to get rid of Spenno, I will.
15:48Joanne McNally:I'm thrilled for you. I just, I'm in awe of the amount of male attention you get publicly. I had a DM from a guy last week who was a teacher from Leash. Now, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that.
16:03Vogue Williams:Joanne, we're talking like, we're talking, this is like 12 years ago. Doesn't matter. This is before I had the four kids.
16:07Joanne McNally:Doesn't matter.
16:08Vogue Williams:The four kids ruined me.
16:09Joanne McNally:Doesn't matter.
16:10Vogue Williams:Well, I can collect all these things.
16:12Joanne McNally:Yeah. You have that in your arsenal. Fine, I'm in. FYI, Friday the 17th of July, I'm going to be an exeter.
16:20Vogue Williams:Jesus, that's a random one.
16:22Joanne McNally:Powderham Castle. Wow. Stunning. Powderham Castle, Friday the 17th. If anyone's swinging around that area with their, with a bit of free time, pop in. I'll be there. Doing jokes.
16:38Vogue Williams:Let's have an email. I love the pod and all the advice. have never been motivated to write in before, but I was screaming, crying, kicking my feet during the advice to the girl who blocked the loser Michael Jackson Farage lover. I know it's technically mean to run out on someone and block them, but oh my God, these men. If the roles were reversed, they would absolutely not hesitate to do whatever they wanted in the situation without a care in the world or a millisecond of thought as to how the other person might feel. Really? Okay, I can understand that, but also two wrongs don't make a right.
17:14Vogue Williams:Men are so used to having their feelings be thought of as a default that I think it's a brave and genre-changing dynamic to just nope out on them. Look at all those losers love bombing women and then ghosting them. Katie Price justice for Joanne. Anyway.
17:33Vogue Williams:Love you and always agree with the nuanced takes but in this situation say long Queen, that guy is a loser. He lost. Good riddance. No regrets as they say. P.S. Joanne, I have my tickets for two of your three nights in San Francisco. Rest assured, I'm counting the days, spreading the word, firing the town, stocking up in the Pinot, etc. Thank you.
17:52Joanne McNally:Thank you so much. So because she's bought tickets, I'm just going to say I agree with everything she says.
17:57Vogue Williams:I take it all back. I apologise. Because I have just said that I love following rules and I don't lie and stuff to people, I would disagree. I don't think that like if someone, if you think there's a possibility of someone being a dick to you, you should be addicted then. I think that just to be kind of, like, I think just a general level of soundness amongst us all could take us a long way.
18:19Joanne McNally:I just know, I know myself, I am quite a porous person. I'm porous. So I take on things, as we all do. I mean, like, I'm not saying this is anything unique about me, but I am porous. And I probably am too sympathetic to sometimes the male plight if I'm with the guy I can kind of be a bit too too sound actually I think certain occasions come into mind there and I just know myself I wouldn't I wouldn't walk out in a date that's all I can say unless it was like unless I was like at the bar asking for Angela because I was like this guy's an absolute nut job but like with just a difference of opinion like that I wouldn't if we could all
18:59Vogue Williams:and I know not everybody does it but if we could all just have a general yeah if we could all just
19:04Joanne McNally:stop fighting yeah
19:05Vogue Williams:stop fighting
19:07Joanne McNally:Yoko Ono over there
19:10Vogue Williams:do you know what I think when I think when I got ghosted that time like it really fucked me off so much that I was like I'll never do that to somebody like because I remember how shit I felt and for how long I felt shit and I was like for something as simple as to just say don't want to be with you anymore instead of just disappearing and making someone feel like shit for that long I just I just would never do I just wouldn't want to be the cause of making someone feel like that
19:35Joanne McNally:I went yeah I understand we are all a product of our own experiences I I was in a relationship ages ago and it ended really badly and he was like please don't just please don't block me and I would have been well within my rights to block him but I didn't because I felt I felt bad for him which I'm like Joanne cop on but I didn't because I'd had that happen to me and then I knew how hard it was to get over it so I just wouldn't do it anyway look maybe we're just maybe just turned into two male apologists to go to Wimbledon. I don't know. We certainly don't go to Harry Styles. We prefer to ourselves.
20:13Joanne McNally:Had I known he was obsessed with you, I would have contacted him directly for tickets.
20:18Vogue Williams:I have. He's actually doing a matinee just for me. On a Saturday morning, yes.
20:23Joanne McNally:He's performing at Gigi's birthday party. How did you know? I guess. Don't start telling everyone.
20:29Vogue Williams:He told me.
20:31Joanne McNally:He told me. We're thick as thieves.
20:38Vogue Williams:This has been a global production.
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