In short
The hosts banter and then discuss celebrity relationship fallout (Ariana Grande and Ethan Slater; Ethan’s alleged reconciliation with his ex), a Louis Theroux-style interview about Marco Pierre White’s culinary world and beef with Gordon Ramsay, and advice for an Irish listener stuck in an on/off affair dynamic. They also riff on World Cup pub culture and “moving on” as revenge.
Guests
No named guests appear; it’s a solo/hosted episode with Joanne and Marco (and other recurring voices mentioned only as offhand texts/cameos).
Key claims
Marco says Gordon Ramsay “made himself cry,” and that Gordon’s “kitchen” world involves constant screaming; he also calls the air fryer “the Ferrari of the kitchen.” The listener’s man is “blocking your door” by not choosing her.
Notable examples
Ariana’s new song about hating making someone fall in love; the wife’s article describing breastfeeding a newborn during public humiliation; the listener’s email about being used for support/sex without commitment.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOCasual Banter and Personal Insights
0:45 to 3:04
The hosts engage in light-hearted banter about their lives and friendships.
“Okay, several days later, but little do you know, I'm stuck with these two again today.”
Culinary Hacks and Tips
3:04 to 5:36
The hosts share unconventional kitchen tips and culinary experiences.
“Well, I'm not here for my culinary recommendations.”
Reflections on Celebrity Culture
5:36 to 10:46
Discussion about celebrity relationships, particularly focusing on Ariana Grande.
“Like but obviously it's all guest dependent.”
Health and Body Image Discussions
10:46 to 14:01
The hosts explore the complexities surrounding body image and public perception.
“My top one drawer is an ashtray, the other holds my keys.”
Body Image Conversations and Public Figures
14:01 to 15:10
The hosts discuss the complexities of commenting on the bodies of public figures, using Ariana Grande as a case study.
“I mean, obviously, it's none of our business, but in the same breath, she's a public figure on stage and she is.”
Public Humiliation and Relationship Dynamics
15:11 to 16:46
The hosts reflect on the impact of public humiliation in relationships and share personal experiences regarding infidelity.
“She was like, it was fucking, it was hell on earth while she's there breastfeeding the fucking newborn.”
Conspiracies and Entertaining Shows
16:47 to 18:39
Discussion about a conspiracy related to a popular show and the hosts' reactions to it.
“what you're saying, if incest involved, you're a pregnant woman you're like it's not it's too dark for me and my unborn child Joanne will do that.”
An Email from an Independent Irish Woman
18:40 to 21:55
The hosts read and analyze an email from a woman reflecting on her on-and-off relationship with a man who hasn't committed.
“That is not a comment on other people that might be going to the pub in a boob tube this evening.”
Advice on Commitment and Independence
21:56 to 24:12
The hosts provide advice on recognizing one's worth in relationships and the importance of commitment.
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:02Vogue Williams:This is a global production.
0:04Joanne McNally:Louis said, is it true? He says, Gordon says you made him cry. And Marco went, Gordon made himself cry.
0:13Joanne McNally:Now that's a line I will take.
0:15Vogue Williams:I am a strong, confident woman.
0:19Joanne McNally:The best revenge is moving on with your life. Are you going to the pub tonight? I'm not going tonight. But I should be. I know I should be. You should be. Do you know what? I will.
0:29Vogue Williams:I think it's important that you do.
0:37Vogue Williams:Hello and welcome. Hello. Hello, gang. Hello. Again.
0:40Joanne McNally:Hello. Enough of that, enough of that.
0:42Vogue Williams:A double whammy today, huh? They won't know that. They won't know that. They won't know that. For them, it's several days later.
0:49Joanne McNally:Yeah, they don't know that.
0:50Vogue Williams:Okay, several days later, but little do you know, I'm stuck with these two again today. See them more than my own family.
0:57Joanne McNally:We're on a jolly.
0:57Vogue Williams:it is actually the best job it really is when people ask me about it I'm like it's a bloody it's a good job who was asking me I was chatting to Miriam Hallaghan yesterday oh yeah did you enjoy my Miriam my Miriam
1:11Joanne McNally:no my Miriam no I think my Miriam
1:15Vogue Williams:oh no no it was definitely my Miriam I'm sure of it I'll ring her now
1:20Joanne McNally:I'm pretty sure she's my Miriam I dare you
1:22Vogue Williams:I dare you to ring her
1:24Joanne McNally:she just texted me going go on she just texted me going don't ring me in front of me because it'll be embarrassing because I don't want her to see how close you are.
1:32Vogue Williams:Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She did ask me not to tell you about speaking to her yesterday. She was like, Joanne just gets weird. She's really upset. I'm very territorial about Miriam, yeah. I said, yeah, Joanne's a bit odd like that with friends. I'm not allowed. Have any other friends? What are you drinking? A Barocca through a wine glass?
1:51Joanne McNally:It is actually a Barocca, yes. Through a wine glass
1:54Vogue Williams:with a glass straw?
1:55Joanne McNally:Who the hell do you think you are? I'm romanticising my life. Because no one else is going to fucking do it.
2:01Vogue Williams:It's like Claridge is over in Toronto. So I'm doing it for myself. Yeah.
2:05Joanne McNally:I'm romanticising my life. I have an electrolyte. As I. An electrolyte and some Robinsons and an ice cube would you believe? Treat yourself. I'm drinking Robinsons
2:14Vogue Williams:from the bottle because you know when there's a little bit left and you're like oh that will make a perfect serve if I fill the whole bottle up.
2:20Joanne McNally:I actually froze ice cubes in like the kind of shaft like not shaft what do we call them? cylinder shaped ice cubes so you can throw them into the end of the like water bottles and listen what?
2:34Vogue Williams:I know Talia that's the first ever household hack from Talia talk to me talk to me talk about are you one of those people who makes have you seen when people fill up a balloon and they fill it up with water and then they put like petals and stuff in it and then they put tie it and they put the balloon in the freezer and then it's when they're having special dinner parties that I was watching and then they take the balloon out of the freezer they open it and then you've got this big huge lump of ice with loads of like nice flowers and stuff and it yeah looks amazing or you can put fruit in yeah I'm going to do it when you come over to my house
3:08Joanne McNally:I did have I'll be known for my ice I did have a grape in an ice cube the other day but it was an accident I was in the freezer I was rummaging around in the freezer and I was like who put that grape there frozen in perfect time like a dinosaur and like a fossil but it was obviously I was obviously like piss rummaging through the freezer with a grape in my mouth and a fan not quite the Martin Stewart lifestyle choice I thought it was I was like what the fuck's that good there I was like oh yeah I was pretty no do you not remember
3:39Vogue Williams:people were putting on TikTok being like oh my god frozen grapes taste like like ice cream I'm like no no they don't like they don't they taste like a piece of fruit that's frozen and it's not as nice as a clip out I'll tell you this
3:53Joanne McNally:and then we will move on because we're not here for our culinary recommendations.
3:57Vogue Williams:Speak for yourself, Joanne.
3:59Joanne McNally:Well, I'm not here for my culinary recommendations. One more thing I'll tell you to freeze because it's summer. Well, in our territory, obviously, in other countries, in other places, it's winter. That's how educated I am. I'm aware of that. Where is it winter, Joanne? How are you, Jo? Australia. Nice. Thank you. Very good. I mean, she probably lives there. Because I know that it's the opposite of ours. Hello, Rain Man. They have a lovely Christmas though. I'm a... I'm a weather souvant. Pretty sure, she says, with three or her binoculars and her Bunsen burner, that it's winter in Australia.
4:45Joanne McNally:I'm a meteoric souvant. Anyway, last thing I'll say about it. Frozen Haribo. You're welcome. Yeah. Freeze Haribo. I don't. Oh, he's got some Haribo. You'll be chewing for it. Not that's the shit baby one. No, the adult Haribo. You can't have a small package. No, they're like for kids, Jo. I like chocolate from the fridge. I only eat chocolate from the fridge. Eat it all in one go, I would say.
5:17Vogue Williams:Anyway, on to most more important topics. I am... Marco PR White. I was going to talk to you about Oh that's an interesting one as well. I did watch that but It's so funny.
5:29Joanne McNally:There's so much to talk about. It is so funny. It just made me laugh so much. I'm a big Louis Theroux fan. Like but obviously it's all guest dependent. I kind of just listen to most of them. And I was like I don't know how I'm going to will I enjoy this? I don't know. I started it. It is so funny. But I don't think it's supposed to be.
5:47Vogue Williams:Oh I haven't listened to no I haven't listened to the whole thing. I thought it was pretty dark. No when he just when he's like talking about his dependencies and stuff. Well, yeah. Now I've only listened to a couple of clips so I haven't seen the funny side.
6:00Joanne McNally:Well, like it's not intentionally funny. Oh, okay. It's, so the main, firstly he delivers every line like he's invented. Like every line is delivered with this absolute earnestness of him. Like this, it's so, he's like, besides being really simple, he's like, I baked a potato. and everyone's waiting for this massive moment and then several times in the interview Louis is like oh and then he did this he's like I never did that he's like it's in your book he's like I didn't write my book
6:34Joanne McNally:stop over and out I think three times ago that never happened Louis is like it's in your book I didn't write that
6:40Vogue Williams:did he say that he gave back his mission stars
6:43Joanne McNally:he said he said there's no choice when you're out of the kitchen they just take them he said you don't give them back but when they're out of the when you're no longer in the kitchen, they just take them back.
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6:54Vogue Williams:I'd say he's had a tough life. His son, his son is doesn't go through a
6:59Joanne McNally:great time. Yeah, he did reference that now. I wasn't aware of that, but he did talk about that because he was talking about his beef with Gordon Ramsey. Yeah. And What's the beef with Gordon Ramsey? Well, Marco trained Gordon. Yeah. She says, like she has any knowledge in the culinary industry. Well, obviously, as we know, Marco trained Gordon. Yeah. And I mean Marco was very clear he says because they're all calling each other like screaming at each other the whole time he's like you don't understand our world like that's just that's just our world and Louis said is it true he says Gordon says you made him cry and Marco went Gordon made himself cry
7:39Joanne McNally:now that's a line I will take I will take I kind of oh
7:44Vogue Williams:Gigi oh hi Gigi oh she's on the move
7:48Joanne McNally:Otto's dumpling broke already
7:50Vogue Williams:What's broken already?
7:52Joanne McNally:Otto's dumpling But there's a cello tape All over it
7:55Vogue Williams:Oh who broke his dumpling Okay well he's not Getting another one Don't let him near yours okay You pop downstairs now for me And close my door Thanks a million I'll see you in a minute Who broke his Good girl Who broke his dumpling? Who do you think Broke his dumpling? Otto Who do you think Broke the dumpling That he's been waiting for For two weeks Who broke it?
8:12Joanne McNally:Otto Yeah Is she still there? Is Otto crying? Is Gigi Otto made himself cry. Gigi. Yeah, yeah. Otto made himself cry. And she's holding his head over the banisters. Gigi, you have to close the door.
8:27Vogue Williams:I love you. Yeah, so they've been waiting for these gold dumplings. It's one of those things, Jo. Your kids are probably too young. Yes, like these. I'm Googling it. What's it? They're just these squidgies. It's like a squidgy thing, but they wanted these special gold ones that you can get. And I held out for two. Yeah, I held out two weeks. I gave it to Otto 13 minutes ago and his is broken.
8:49Joanne McNally:He's such a little hooligan. I love it.
8:52Vogue Williams:He doesn't. He really, honestly, he is. I tried to make a deal with him before. I like, because I was like, you can have eight minutes of TV if you're a good boy because he was throwing a wobbler and I was trying to come up here to fit.
9:03Joanne McNally:Sorry, I didn't get sick.
9:11Joanne McNally:I mean, I think I saw some food there, pass.
9:14Vogue Williams:Oh, I just said to them before you came on, I was like, I'm holding, I'm holding out. I'm going to bomb when I get off this call.
9:21Joanne McNally:You're not selling pregnancy to me, I'll be honest.
9:23Vogue Williams:There's nothing to say. Although I met a girl today who says she feels great. And I thought, what a bitch. I will not be talking to you again, my friend. Right? And she's seven weeks ahead of me. Whatever.
9:36Joanne McNally:You've made me, you've made me, I'm determined to get a surrogate after watching you nearly vomit on the podcast twice a week.
9:41Vogue Williams:I wouldn't be a surrogate for anybody. I could not.
9:44Joanne McNally:God, no. No, once you're done with mine, that's it. You're out. Business. business done shut up shop
9:48Vogue Williams:we were talking about Marker Pierre White how did we finish that now Gigi interrupted us you were telling us he made Gordon he made yourself cry
9:55Joanne McNally:Gordon made himself cry oh and he also said he also said Mitch and Starris these days are handed out a confetti yeah he just shat on everyone who was a Mitch and Starris since he stopped cooking yeah
10:06Vogue Williams:oh my now I never died over his restaurants I will say whereas Gordon Ramsay's restaurants I like a bit of Lucky Cat I do
10:16Joanne McNally:He also calls the air fryer the Ferrari of the kitchen. Yeah. Interesting. Because Louis was like, oh, do you use an air fryer? Because I don't, I don't. But I've heard about them. I believe they are the Ferrari of the kitchen.
10:29Vogue Williams:You can't, like, come on. How can you be living your life without an air fryer? Come on. I'm stood next to my Ferrari now. Are you? Are you recording this in the kitchen? How big is your Ferrari? It's a double, double basket Ferrari. I have a double. Yeah. Yeah, half for chips, half for the chicken dippercise.
10:47Joanne McNally:My top one drawer is an ashtray, the other holds my keys. I have the same, two drawers.
10:52Vogue Williams:Wait, where do the eggs go, Joanne? Where's the eggs go?
10:55Joanne McNally:Well, ever since I realised you can't cook an egg in an air fryer, I've given up on the thing completely. But I love it, I love the look of it. I like knowing it's there.
11:10Vogue Williams:I was going to tell you about Ariana Grande's after breaking up with your man, Ethan Slater. and do you know what and supposedly allegedly supposedly he's getting back with the no well I read that he was getting 30 again with the ex-wife that's what I heard
11:26Joanne McNally:no
11:26Vogue Williams:as no why are you so quick to dismiss why
11:29Joanne McNally:there's just
11:30Vogue Williams:no way in hell okay so Ariana Grande started doing Wicked the movie with this fella Ethan I don't remember his second name Slater and he had just had a baby with someone like 10 minutes 10 minutes. Like 10 months previously.
11:46Joanne McNally:Umbilical cord still attached to the kit.
11:48Vogue Williams:Yeah. So broke up with her and then got with Ariana and now Ariana has moved on and she's not with him anymore. But have you noticed like she kind of, once she gets a new, she moves on to something new, she moves everything on. So when she like, Wick, it's over. He's over. Now she's on tour. It's the new Ariana. I actually really like her. I'm not throwing shade, but like it does happen. Yeah. Yeah, I like her a lot. I have to say.
12:12Joanne McNally:She has a song out now where she, yeah, like, and his wife is a psychiatrist, psychologist.
12:20Vogue Williams:Jesus, I wonder would you be able to talk to yourself if you're going through, like, traumatic things, like, sit in front of the mirror and be like, right, like, work on your own, like, you're your own project.
12:29Joanne McNally:Well, she wrote a really good article about the fact that how it feels when all your patients know that your husband left you for Ariana Grande.
12:38Vogue Williams:I feel like there's certain people, like if Spenny dumped me and got with Margot Robbie, I'd be like, obviously it'd be horrendous. I'd end up in an institution, but then I'd be like, you know what? Fair play. I would also dump me.
12:51Joanne McNally:You would in your arse. Do you know what I would? You'd pet your bomb at Robbie's house. No, I would be actually impressed. You wouldn't, you're a hell. You'd be absolutely fuming. There's not an inch of you. I'm so mature.
13:05Vogue Williams:I don't hold jealousy and I would wish them both well is what I would do
13:11Joanne McNally:The best revenge is moving on with your life I am a strong confident woman But I like there is a bit of that I think with like I don't care His wife, were they married but she's a really impressive and a very beautiful woman and she's highly qualified, highly intelligent very attractive like she's you know I mean these things do you know she's not like I mean he's been
13:41Vogue Williams:punching his way through he has been punching his way through life I'm not being mean but he is well yeah I mean he's yeah his partners are
13:49Joanne McNally:I'm not saying he's
13:50Vogue Williams:he's not unattractive no
13:52Joanne McNally:it's just unusual yes yes yes but she Ariana now has released a new song where she's basically saying I hate sorry I hate that I made you fall in love with me but it was just so easy I know and also there's a lot of talk about her body at the moment and that she looks very unwell and they're comparing her to Karen Carpenter whose body Ariana's yeah she's very she's very underweight and like as someone who's obviously been down that road myself it's always that thing everyone's like you shouldn't comment on a woman's body but also on the other side of the argument you're like she's clearly unwell like should no one like say something but then surely her family I'm sure are involved and like she should still be able to work but anyway yeah It's very confronting when someone is like that.
14:37Joanne McNally:You're like, I don't really know. I mean, obviously, it's none of our business, but in the same breath, she's a public figure on stage and she is. I mean, nothing's our business, really, but we always make it. Stop us getting involved, I know. But the body conversation is always really tricky because people are like, it's not your right to comment on women's bodies. But in the same breath, if someone's visibly unwell, are we just going to like, ignore it and not say anything about it? I don't know. Anyway, I don't know. I know. But I will say, huge fan of Ariana and if Ethan gets back, with his ex I will swallow my own hat
15:07Vogue Williams:okay
15:07Joanne McNally:I'll buy a hat
15:08Vogue Williams:get ready I'll buy a hat no you can swallow buy her hat no you can swallow
15:11Joanne McNally:no you can swallow a hat you said you'd swallow a hat I just don't think if you humiliate a woman like that and I don't know in what world she would be able to go back there I just don't see it happening I just don't nah
15:27Vogue Williams:I mean when I was cheated on I just no I like I just couldn't I'd be like no
15:35Joanne McNally:you can privately maybe forgive something if it's like between the two you can maybe private but to be publicly humiliated like that and very visibly terrible and like his wife the essay is really really good I might I might re-share it with you guys she's like talking about it was so clear what was happening and he was obviously denying it and then she said and then not only he left me while I have a newborn baby and then went on the biggest press tour that the world has ever seen and they were just together all the time talking about each other and how talented the other one is and everything.
16:05Joanne McNally:She was like, it was fucking, it was hell on earth while she's there breastfeeding the fucking newborn.
16:10Vogue Williams:Oh, stop it. It's actually so bad. So bad.
16:13Joanne McNally:I just think... It's so bad.
16:16Vogue Williams:Actually, shame on both of them. There is that. That's really bad. Actually, I want you to do a bit of deep diving for us, by the way. You know the thing on the crash, the thing that you told us all to watch. There's some mad conspiracy stuff going on in the TikTok world. Really? So you need to deep dive that and find out stuff about it. Send it more. Yeah. Incestuous and all kinds of things like that I was saying. What? So I'm not gonna yeah, I'm not gonna deep dive it because it feels like you will do a better detective work.
16:45Joanne McNally:Well I guess if, yeah I know what you're saying, if incest involved, you're a pregnant woman you're like it's not it's too dark for me and my unborn child Joanne will do that.
16:55Vogue Williams:By the way, maternal instinct what the fuck?
16:58Joanne McNally:Did you watch it?
16:59Vogue Williams:I'm halfway through it like what?
17:02Joanne McNally:It's banana town
17:03Vogue Williams:I'm scared to leave my home It's banana town
17:06Joanne McNally:I'm told not to watch it
17:08Vogue Williams:That's brilliant
17:09Joanne McNally:Oh my good God Well you know I'm keen to have a charger Look you know I'm not down to you with an Allen key I'm not Crack you open
17:17Vogue Williams:I'm not going to her house alone anymore
17:20Joanne McNally:Steal the new baby with the name with the name that you've already given up Bim Bop-A-Loo Bop-Bop-Boo
17:28Joanne McNally:Vogue I think it's fair to say we're not we're not sporting women okay yeah obviously the World Cup is happening yeah that is that is a sport we're not I believe so it identifies as such okay I mean the main kind of message I guess of the World Cup is that it's a cock feft in the pubs which is good news for the single girlies and the single guys
17:53Vogue Williams:oh come here to me It's on tonight, the World Cup. Yes. England are playing Croatia. At time of recording. By the time you hear this, that was a week ago. Oh, that was a week ago.
18:03Joanne McNally:So you've missed it. The part that I will get involved in is there's an intense pub culture around the time of the World Cup. And it does mean there are a lot of vulnerable men around town, which I think is a healthy message to spread.
18:17Vogue Williams:Are you going to the pub tonight?
18:19Joanne McNally:I'm not going tonight. But I should be. I know I should be. You should be. Do you know what? I will.
18:24Vogue Williams:I think it's important that you do.
18:27Joanne McNally:You're right. I'm torn between it being, I think it might be a bit hectic, but you're right. I might put on a boob tube and sit at the bar on my own. Like a desperate slag.
18:36Vogue Williams:You're not desperate. You're just, you're simply a football fan. That is not a comment on other people that might be going to the pub in a boob tube this evening. That is Joanne talking about herself.
18:46Joanne McNally:Jo, I do that all the time. You've no idea how often I be slagging around up there. Now, with very little follow through, obviously but I'm trying.
18:57Vogue Williams:Well for anyone who plans to do that there is one more England game at least on Saturday at 10 o 'clock against Panama. 10 o 'clock at the night? No. At the night? No. I'm asleep. At the night.
19:11Joanne McNally:At the night. She's like what? I don't understand. That's barbaric.
19:18Vogue Williams:It's just like that's I honestly sometimes I wonder about the Spanish people because you go to Spain and they're going out for dinner at 11 o 'clock at night. Like that's, it's not healthy. It's a bit strange. It is strange.
19:31Joanne McNally:There's a headline. I can see that in the Daily Mail. Vogue Williams calls Spanish people strange and unhealthy. I look forward to liking, clicking on it myself. Print. Yeah.
19:42Vogue Williams:Okay. In the jest of Spain, hello sexy senoritas. I didn't make that up. That's actually the email. Oh. I'm writing anonymously and would love your thoughts on something that deep down I suspect I already know the answer to. Okay. I'm an Irish woman in my late 40s, single, no children, and never married entirely by choice. I've always been fiercely independent, partly through stubbornness and partly as a way of protecting myself from an early life of trauma and disappointment.
20:12Joanne McNally:Sorry, she sounds about as positive as I feel. Go on.
20:17Vogue Williams:Despite that, I've got great friends, great siblings, and I'm a lover of life. I enjoy my own company and I still believe in love. Joanne, I feel like we might be kindred spirits in the most positive sense of the phrase, which is why I'd especially love to hear your take on this. About 10 years ago, I met a man through work. At the time, he was in a relationship. As cliche as it sounds, we ended up having an on and off affair. The chemistry was undeniable and the sex was honestly mind-blowing. Even now, all these years later, he remains in my life in one form or another.
20:50Joanne McNally:As in physically or mentally? Is she talking memory or is she saying like in her life? Okay, here you go.
20:56Vogue Williams:He has since broken up with his long-term partner and still pursues me. The thing is, while I genuinely care about him, I've never really felt chosen by him. He often comes to me looking for friendship guidance, emotional support and intimacy. Yet, at the same time, he's constantly seeking attention from other women and pursuing new relationships. it's left me feeling like i'm good enough to lean on good enough to sleep with good enough to confide in but not quite good enough to fully commit to yeah the logical part of me knows that if a man truly wants to be with somebody he usually makes that very clear yes there's another part of me that wonders whether the history connection and genuine affection between us means something more so my question is this am i holding on to a fantasy because of our chemistry and history or is there a possibility that some people genuinely take years to realise what they want?
21:48Vogue Williams:I'd love your honest thoughts even if they're not what I want to hear. Lots of love an Irish independent woman.
21:54Joanne McNally:Well it's not it's not a fantasy because he is he is there like what's happened is real so it's not a fantasy but I would and listen I could have written this email myself like to say I've been there is an understatement well I guess it's not an understatement it's a statement of fact he isn't he isn't going the extra mile he isn't doing the choosing it's so far down the road isn't he? it's comfortable I would say yeah he's not like he's you're one of you know there's obviously a connection there there's history there there's good sex there there's desire and lust there and there's a friendship there but is he running towards you saying let's make a go of it?
22:34Joanne McNally:no so like that you know that's and you deserve to be
22:38Vogue Williams:yeah you deserve to be number one like you're important and you are more deserving than him coming back and forth and not like I'm just kind of taking what he wants when he wants it and don't feel bad because literally all of us have been there and you really want
22:53Joanne McNally:into thinking it means more than it like as in it's really easy to twist stuff into thinking it means more than it does but when you put the facts on the table like when you lay it out and you're really honest with yourself you're like yeah he obviously values her and he obviously really cares about her and all that jazz but is he saying it's you and me let's drive off the edge of a cliff together like Tham and Louise no he's not so like that's what it is and the fact that he's still like indulging other women and looking for attention elsewhere like she knows herself you know yourself you're you're he's blocking your door I remember someone telling me years ago they were like come in when it comes to relationships come in or come out but don't block the door that's a very Joanne best advice you've ever given thank you he's blocking your door he's blocking your door and you know what maybe when you talk about your independence and all that jazz and maybe it is like a kind of conscious choice but also when you have someone like that who gives you enough rope to hang yourself as in like emotionally you have someone to kind of where it's it's enough to keep you going but it's not a whole thing he's blocking your door you don't know what would happen if he got out of your door get him out get him out of the door close the door on him he's done he's toast
24:10Vogue Williams:now I'm gonna go and get sick so thank you all for listening
24:15Joanne McNally:I appreciate it I'm off to the pub and a boob tube slack yeah
24:26Joanne McNally:with a vape and seven condoms good luck to us all I'm joking I have not seen a condom and Jesus I cannot neither have I which will tell you a lot about my sexual and I wouldn't recognise if it came up and slapped me in the face
24:43Vogue Williams:next time I come to your house I'm going to bring some contacts you should
24:48Joanne McNally:I'd love to see one it's so long it's so long the idea of putting one on do I wear it does he, I can't even remember what happens
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