Mum Guilt, P*rn Ban & Labels

8:56Joanne McNally:I was actually I was talking so I've told you before so Pat my mother who's like she's incredibly motherly and she's like if mothering was an Olympic sport Pat would certainly be she'd be on a podium would she be first? I don't know but she'd be certainly numbered and again the other day rings me and I was like yo and she's like oh my god you haven't been online in hours I was just so worried and I was like does that like I'm 42 years of age and my mum is sitting on WhatsApp checking when I've last been online to make sure I'm okay now I think there's other issues there I travel a lot for work I'm on my you know I'm on my own a lot blah blah blah so like you know if I kind of fall and crack my neck in the shower.

9:41Joanne McNally:There's no one to, there's no housemate or child or husband to find my dead body and contact Pat. So like, I suppose she's kind of doing the minding for me. But I was like, does the worrying ever go? And she's like, it never, ever goes. It's the tax of love.

9:55Vogue Williams:I know, but I just, I worry about everything. And that's when my fear of death came. Because I used to be kind of normal about death. And I was like, that's all. It never crossed my mind. And then I had kids and I was like, oh my God. my mortality is like if I can't leave them like that's the worst like I couldn't leave them to be on their own and like obviously you can't control that and that's like why I'm off getting MRIs and stuff like that because I've got to make sure I'm around

10:20Joanne McNally:oh my god two things to say about that and we love chatting about death I spoke to Pat about death recently and she was like you can't do that to old people Jesus Christ she's not old she's my next kid she's old I don't talk to any

10:34Vogue Williams:I don't talk to any of my parents

10:36Joanne McNally:about death Jesus Christ. Frankly, for the record, my brother is her next of kin, which is slightly insulting, but whatever. But she said, the saddest part about my death is I wouldn't know what you're up to. And I was like, oh my God, her only concern about her own mortality is that she wouldn't know what me and my brother are up to. Oh, God. I know. She'll be flying around. I was like, Pat, that's going in the eulogy. Sorry, no, I'm already writing it. I'm just preparing myself so I don't have a mental breakdown.

11:08Joanne McNally:Would you like to see the gift I got you from Australia? It's not a Tim Tam, is it Vogue? Come on.

11:12Vogue Williams:I didn't get you a Tim Tam. Oh, grand. I didn't even eat a Tim Tam.

11:14Joanne McNally:I really think that. I know, it's just a penguin bar. Come on, calm down. It says wine time. Oh.

11:25Joanne McNally:Like you, we're in our 40s now, Vogue. Health and wellness. We're getting smears. We're getting tit tests. We're getting bloods. We're getting all done. God, I have to get a smear. You have to get your smears, get your smears in.

11:36Vogue Williams:I've got to get a smear I haven't had one in a while get a smear

11:39Joanne McNally:I'll do it for you

11:39Vogue Williams:I don't like that word I haven't seen you in a while can you call it something else a fudging

11:43Joanne McNally:a retraction

11:45Vogue Williams:yeah

11:46Joanne McNally:extraction I liked that in bed the other night obviously contemplating my own mortality existential crisis all the rest I said I should probably try and elongate my life rather than what I tend to do which is shorten it with bad behaviours I contacted a private hospital in Ireland and I was like I would like a full what would you call it body scan body scan

12:05Vogue Williams:yeah

12:05Joanne McNally:open the panel crack in knock around see what's going on how long have I left to live what's the crack you gotta do it this is really the thing to do at the moment 100 % so have you heard of Fofo no is it a relative of a labubu

12:19Vogue Williams:no it is not a relative of a labubu fear of finding out so people who are thinking of getting health scans and all that kind of stuff like some people are just like no I'm too scared to find out so I'd rather not do it but you have to go and do it just to try and figure out if you're alright that's why I went for that MRI and I think that like thankfully everything was okay but but like even, sorry I know this sounds terrible and I don't know if anyone's had it done you know when you get your boobs checked and they put it in a little so they put it in this thing and they squeeze it how are they going to squeeze mine, there's nothing there like nothing will fit in, I can't do, but that's the beauty of it folk you'll never get breast cancer

12:59Joanne McNally:a tumour wouldn't fit in there I just don't

13:03Vogue Williams:I don't know if that's how it works but I just don't know how you do. What's it called when you get your boobs checked? That's bad. What's it called? Breast screening. Mammogram. Mammogram. The man has to tell us about it. Well, a mammogram. I'm worried that my tit won't put in because there is no tit. Exactly. They were like, there's no room for infection here.

13:23Joanne McNally:We'll just see it. If you ever grow a tit, you know what it is. They're like, we'll check your mouth because that could harvest many, many an infection. But your tits are grand. Totally fine. I have the opposite at Fofo that's why I hack into like boyfriend's phones and stuff because I want to know everything but so I contacted this private hospital in Dublin and I was like send me in screen like everything screen everything and obviously I'm not alone in wanting to do this because they were like we can book you in for March 2026 for the record time of recording is December 10th 2025 so I was like I'll just fucking throw a bit of money at the problem see what see what's going on under the hood March 2026 they were like we'll get you in for a private screening but also

14:10Vogue Williams:like these things aren't cheap and I think that this should be something that's made more available to more people because I actually think it's really important to go and do all that stuff and bloods and everything that's why I was so surprised

14:22Joanne McNally:that going privately was like the fucking waiting list was so intense could I not just hang around in the airport x-ray machine a little longer and they can tell me if there's anything going on like why am I doing what are they looking at there putting your hands up at all. Is there what's inside? What are we looking at? Tumours, cirrhosis, what's happening? Verrucas, come on, give it to me, the clamp, what's happening? Surely they can see you, or what are they looking at?

14:43Vogue Williams:Verrucas. I don't know, Verrucas. Still around. They are still around? Oh God. I'm wandering around swimming pools with no white socks on because I just thought Verrucas were gone, I know. You're raw dogging it in pools. And I was all over centre parks, raw dogging it the whole time. I'm going to get myself a pair of the socks for the next time I go.

15:02Joanne McNally:Have you looked at the laws around the kids and all that jazz because apparently you're going to have to pay those kids if they're going to be on your YouTube channel. John. Those kids, Gigi's going to unionise. She's going to come to you when she's 18 and be like, you owe me 60 grand. Just be careful.

15:15Vogue Williams:Those kids will be pretty happy with what I'm going to give them but I'm just not going to let them know anything about it. They can't. No, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, right. They won't accept that. No. I'd say they might get to an age where they don't want that but like, I kind of don't. Well, I suppose I do but I feel so proud of them when I see them though that I'm just like God you're so cute I'm going to post about you

15:35Joanne McNally:but there are laws around all that shit now but also what I was going to say is I'm jumping around but do you remember you're one that fucking nut job in the States who was who was gone to prison

15:46Vogue Williams:yeah what's her name what was her name again Jo what's her name Jo remember she was but she was this mommy influencers but she was actually remember she made her kids sleep on the floor for like seven months

15:55Joanne McNally:she was absolutely like kind of abusing in plain sight her kids but like making a fortune on these YouTube channels and Frank yes really Frank

16:06Vogue Williams:telling people how to basically discipline yeah discipline your kids

16:12Joanne McNally:very very weird because now when you look back you're like oh my god like all the flags are there you know very strange behaviour very controlling behaviour but people were bet into this YouTube channel just thought she was a really good mum with really like severe boundaries and now she's in prison for child abuse

16:30Vogue Williams:she's gone to prison for quite a long time as well. Did you know Australia has banned under-16s for... I heard. From, yeah, from all social media. I don't know how they're going to do it. I don't know how they'll do it either. No, but they have, like, mad rules. Like, I went to get melatonin and it's only two milligram melatonin because I was like, that will help a jet lag. And I went to get it. You have to be over 55 to get melatonin in Australia. Can't even get melatonin.

16:54Joanne McNally:Oh my God, that's because apparently it gives you dementia because it increases tooth decay. Obviously, oh my God, I sound like you're a wild one. I've no idea if that's actually correct. Sorry, Vogue. No, you know what? You actually...

17:04Vogue Williams:No, no, no. It's not a medical podcast, but that is that they actually do link dementia to toothache. They do. They do. Because I know somebody who got all their teeth done because they were starting to get signs of dementia. I'm not joking. That is actually true.

17:17Joanne McNally:Yeah, it's kind of not fake news, but not also correct news. You know, we're like, drink your toilet up, guys. You'll be fine. Very, very rogue vibes.

17:25Vogue Williams:Delve into it a little bit more. I worry because I forget things all the time, though. even now at this age but I'm like I think my brain is so full of other stuff that like that's probably why I forget

17:34Joanne McNally:but you know the way you were saying that Australia's banned social media for under 16s which how they will police that I don't know I'm obviously like you know is it just something as simple as putting your date of birth in like they could literally you know like do you have to show proof of age I don't know because I haven't read it in depth but do you know the way these is it Pornhub brought in an age restriction and apparently the viewings have dropped through the fucking floor. Again, I'm making up stats. I think they've lost like 50%. I don't know. Something massive has happened.

18:08Vogue Williams:Yeah, but also with Pornhub, people have to have a VPN.

18:15Joanne McNally:Vogue, I'm sorry. You can not just find porn wherever you are. What's your loyalty to Pornhub? Have you invested in it?

18:21Vogue Williams:Joanne, all porn, you have to have a VPN if you want to watch porn. You can't just watch it. You're not allowed to watch it in the UK anymore. There's certain countries that you're still allowed to watch it, but you can't watch it in the UK. We've gone all Dubai on it. You can't watch it. You have to have a VPN. I'm telling you.

18:37Joanne McNally:That is factually incorrect, because I'm watching it right now while you're talking. Okay, go Google. I'm dual screening,

18:44Vogue Williams:and I'm literally watching one of those lads ride one of those dolls.

18:50Joanne McNally:Joanne doesn't watch Pornhub. What?

18:53Vogue Williams:You don't watch Pornhub. Go try and get Pornhub right now.

18:56Joanne McNally:I read Vogue What?

18:58Vogue Williams:Go try and get Pornhub on your phone right now

19:00Joanne McNally:Do you know the lads who ride the kind of dolls Do you know the fake women Yeah Oh yeah Is that what you are? Oh Jo Shut up Jo Jo's looking at us Now we know Joanne's porn history Do you know what I Do you know what I I was listening to something today and do you know it was so interesting So you know the way I'm a big fan of Esther Perel who is the sex psychiatrist She was saying

19:23Vogue Williams:Ruby Wax is friends with her

19:25Joanne McNally:Is she? yes interesting okay bring her into the fold Esther was saying that women are turned on by being the turn on so women are aroused by men being aroused by them specifically like if a man comes in to you and this is Esther's words with like a huge hard on he's like I'm really horny let's go she's like no because I didn't give you that horn oh fuck sorry

19:51Vogue Williams:she scared the shit out of me sorry

19:52Joanne McNally:whereas if a man comes in and he's like oh I'm not a raised but now I see you when I'm massively a raised she's like let's fucking go she's like it's basically it's the opposite of that kind of maternal kind of affection side of women I thought it was really interesting really interesting because I was like yeah I understand that I do think that's true like it's hot for a woman if she is the reason a man is a raised it's not hot to meet a man who's already a raised and ride him do you know what I mean

20:18Vogue Williams:yeah but I don't know more as I get it

20:20Joanne McNally:maybe

20:22Vogue Williams:maybe maybe maybe because I'm married I don't really mind where he's gotten the hard on I just would once it's there I'm kind of happy about it it's still going on so it's kind of I'm like whatever

20:32Joanne McNally:When I saw him scoring you in the Daily Mail today I said that poor woman is fucking asleep tonight Oh my god I don't want to be bad I texted you and she didn't reply and I said of course she didn't because she's being assaulted down in Battersea Park and she just wants to relax

20:48Vogue Williams:He had a Lebanese right before I met him and there's this sauce that sometimes Food or woman? The sauce

20:59Vogue Williams:He had it right Wow He's really treating himself Isn't he There's a sauce we get And we only get the sauce And have it together So because we know We won't be anywhere Near each other that night Well Spenny didn't consider The sauce when he came To meet me After not seeing me For nearly a month And the stench Of his breath I could smell him Before I saw him And then I was like Oh my god And we were in the taxi On the way home And I like had my head Up against the window I was like, Sven, it's real bad. I don't know what you're going to do about it. But I can't help you out here if this is going to be the smell that I have to deal with when we go home.

21:32Vogue Williams:Thankfully, after four times of brushing his teeth, it kind of settled enough. And we did have an enjoyable evening together, but it wasn't as long as you would think it was because I was very jet-lagged.

21:40Joanne McNally:Yeah, yeah, yeah, fine. No, I understand that.

21:48Vogue Williams:Oh my God, I've got 41 subscribers of YouTube.

21:52Joanne McNally:Can I join Vogue? You're not going to charge me, are you? Yeah, I will, yeah. I'll charge you. Give us a swipe of code to watch you sleep, will you? Why am I in my phone? What am I looking for?

22:03Vogue Williams:Pornhub. You were going to look for Pornhub. Yeah, go on. I'm surprised at how little she uses it, that she doesn't know about that yet, because that's been for quite some time, as you know yourself, Jo. There's no getting to that, not without the technology. I mean, we were telling everyone to download VPNs to vote for you, but of course they already had them. Oh, I know. Okay, sorry, sorry.

22:24Joanne McNally:I am now on Pornhub.com.

22:26Vogue Williams:Okay, go on. Try and get into it and watch some porn.

22:29Joanne McNally:Okay. Unmute, please. Why? Is there royalty issues? Anyone can moan, Jo. They don't own moaning. No, but that's explicit. We can't have that going out. Also, I don't want to say, it's probably embarrassing to read what's automatically coming up. It's a bit telling.

22:45Vogue Williams:Go on, go on.

22:46Joanne McNally:Tell us what's already going on. I won't actually. I'm allowed a private life, folk.

22:50Vogue Williams:I wouldn't, to be honest with you, there's a lot I share, but I wouldn't I wouldn't shout my porn history I'm sorry this just no my porn history is

22:57Joanne McNally:Vogue's YouTube channel I'm like oh what what did she even do

23:03Joanne McNally:okay I'm in warning you will see nude photos of horny milfs yep that's okay yes oh there's a lot of ads here now oh I've been kicked off the page hold on yeah

23:14Vogue Williams:there you go gone where is it gone gone it's gone I know no no no where has it gone? You're not allowed to have it and I actually think it's a very good thing because it means under 16s can't get to it but then again do they not know about VPNs but I suppose they don't have the money to pay for a VPN

23:35Joanne McNally:I'm sorry and I do think I've read around the sex culture of younger men who have access to porn and this it's not and all this I talk about it in Pinafile all this like choke and shit and all it's like it's you know it's not great it's not great bring back pastry girls there's an innocence to it there's a wholesomeness to that

23:55Vogue Williams:it's not as dangerous to be fair like I do think young kids watching porn is really bad and it was so easy to accessible and now it's just not because you do have to have a VPN and hopefully they don't have any money to buy one because they cost money also I have one but I had one for the jungle I don't it's nothing to do I also think

24:12Joanne McNally:I also think young men need to know that when they're watching these finishing scenes in porn that there was an hour of work put in before that that they're not seeing.

24:21Vogue Williams:Sometimes I was watching a video, I think it was GK Barry is doing something on porn and this guy was talking about it and he said that obviously because you can't get the cum shot all day and so he has to like, he squeezes something into his penis and then does like a pretend cum shot. So I think it's like lube they put in and then there's like a pretend cum shot. Exactly.

24:43Joanne McNally:It's kind of like us growing up on rom-coms if you think about it and the happily ever after and then having no understanding of the happily ever after is actually the start of a whole lot of compromise and work that goes into a long term relationship it's fake fucking news I'm glad it's banned I'm glad it's banned

25:01Vogue Williams:I'm actually glad to hear that you didn't even know it was banned what are you up to? sure I'm dead from the waist down

25:06Joanne McNally:dead from the waist down well are you only going

25:10Vogue Williams:to ask me this now? oh well I had a story ready to go up and I was like I don't know if she'll be annoyed by that so I won't put it up but girls on the day of record it is currently December 10th and true to her word Joanne McNally was going on a date on December 9th which she had planned in October. Did it happen?

25:32Joanne McNally:Well Vogue I'm delighted you finally asked me about this. As you know I've had a date in the diary for six weeks

25:40Vogue Williams:Oh please did it happen?

25:43Joanne McNally:I had a very long day yesterday I was filming for Anxious Pagpard I filmed with Trini I was very tired four or five no do you ever get this stick with me stick with me do you ever get this so I have this and I've learned to trust it as I get older if I know in my brain you're not going to do that Joanne you couldn't have said this six weeks ago I know now oh no I can't do the date no it's the day of I'm a monster I'm an asshole oh I'm evil I'm the devil in my defence I had no rapport with this man I'm working my tits off at the moment it's Christmas we're all up to our tits everyone's busy I'm doing 12 hour days I was like I am so tired I'm lethargic the idea that I'm going to scrape I looked I had enough makeup on me to sink a small country I'm going to scrape this makeup off myself at 7 o 'clock get on a tube go in and meet a total stranger to make small talk I was like do you want no So we're back to plan A, which is dial-on.

26:48Joanne McNally:I'm sorry, I tried. Oh my God, Joanne.

26:52Vogue Williams:I tried. Honestly, you were so excited about it yesterday morning. What happened from when I spoke to you to when, like, that poor man has hung around to have a date with you for six weeks and he dumped him on the day off.

27:06Joanne McNally:Had I known Pornhub was no longer available easily to me, I probably would have gone, but I was so busy, I didn't realise that that was no longer in the system. Do you know what? Your man, I'm sure he's lovely, I'm sure he's sound. We had no rapport, we weren't texting, it wasn't like we were flirting, there was nothing. It was literally like going to meet a stranger for dinner.

27:24Vogue Williams:I don't care what he was like. Do you know how long we've been waiting for this? How dare you? Do you know? Joe, let's go. In terms of content, it was a payoff.

27:34Joanne McNally:We were waiting for a payoff. Do you know when you're like, do you know what if an idea gets in your head and you're like, uh-oh, uh-oh, the idea has planted itself. Uh-oh, uh-oh, this is going to happen. I'm going to cancel this date, you know. I'm going to cancel this date and then

27:48Vogue Williams:what did he say when he cancelled was he like

27:50Joanne McNally:to be fair like he was like whatever he's like whatever he's like yeah we're all busy blah blah blah no worries no stress and he said but he actually went but don't do I don't mind rescheduling but don't do it again do you know what

28:04Vogue Williams:with my first boyfriend I was so embarrassed to go on a date with him because I wasn't much of a dater that I cancelled the date twice and he told me when we got together that like if I had cancelled a third time he wouldn't have gone out with me and I ended up gone out with him for six and a half years and that's why he was

28:23Joanne McNally:lying through his tits and he said that because he was trying to pretend that he had standards but he didn't he was just absolutely mad about you but I also like he's like if you'd cancelled on me on a tenth time I wouldn't have come back shut up you fucking married are you mad no no it was a different person different guy finally

28:43Vogue Williams:he was the only one I didn't marry that's

28:48Joanne McNally:so he shouldn't have bothered really the lot are loser but he's he's saying that to you like we all do to kind of you want to come across like you have some standards for yourself but I think you could have cancelled on that man nine times but this guy and I understand it he's basically saying alright Graham but like I'm not up for getting fucked around fine but I have no I have no relationship with this man like I've gone on dates with men whereas previously there's been texting flirting, rapport like voice notes all that shit I had nothing with this dude at all I literally was going because I feel very much and we've spoken about this before your light's on or your light's off my light is off I think someone's removed the bulb like it's not even like the light's off it's like someone shut down the power so I was like alright this man seems normal fuck it I'll go and meet him and then when it came to the day and look I know it's bad look I know it's bad form to cancel on the day but I will say as well I've been cancelled with on the day you fucking get over it I don't know it's all transient online

29:43Vogue Williams:no one knows each other it doesn't matter if you weren't that interested in him then fine but I was just really excited about this I know but you could have got to know him it could have been nice I know but you know what it is December why don't you reschedule and go out with him in January because no one's around in January yeah yeah does that sound at all like she's going to go out in January yeah your voice went right up that's a lie

30:06Joanne McNally:I could do that I think I think and like do you know what I think I think dating and the single women listening to now sorry, I think the single women listening to this will know, it's like a job. Like, I put a shift in on Hinge. I'm like, okay, I'll go in and put a shift in. I'll see you in two hours and I'll work from six to eight on a Sunday on Hinge. You have to put the time into it. And I'm really enjoying where I am with work at the moment and there's loads of good shit happening. And I'm like, I don't fucking care

30:35Vogue Williams:about meeting some randomer in Soho. But I know someone who broke up with someone on Friday. On a Friday.

30:41Joanne McNally:Oh, on a Friday, not the Friday.

30:43Vogue Williams:On a Friday. Someone who broke up with someone who they were seeing for quite a while on a Friday. And by Sunday, dating someone else. Like day two on Sunday. So literally went on to Hinge. After the breakup, Saturday, date. Sunday, she's in his house watching TV. And that's very intimate.

31:03Joanne McNally:The key here is in his house. So it's a man. Yes. Thank you. I've said it before and I'll say it again Well do you date like a man evidently Do I? No no Men date all like there's men who have remarried while their wife isn't fully cremated in the oven Her hair isn't even smoking yet and he's walking down the aisle with a woman Women are not that way inclined Women can be on their own for long periods of time We're much more emotionally resilient in that way We've better tribal we have better communities all that shit so I was listening to that story with intent until you and then you were like it's a man that makes complete sense

31:49Vogue Williams:but maybe I date like a man because I do go from relationship to relationship I did that like one, two, three all consecutively so maybe I date like a man

31:58Joanne McNally:no because when you're in them you're incredibly invested as are men but like no no no you're just you're just you're just a catch men are like fuck it let's get mad you know and you're quite you're quite suggestible fuck it fuck it do you know what fuck it let's get married

32:13Vogue Williams:date two let's not bother you're like

32:15Joanne McNally:I've already got the dress let's keep reusing it I hate to see waste it makes sense

32:20Vogue Williams:I did have different dresses though to be fair so I did not I'm just gonna

32:24Joanne McNally:chill out lie in my cage over Christmas and wait for a delivery man withhold a code until he comes in and rides me something like that I have plans but I will not be going on dates again it was I just don't care I don't know Vogue if you were any sort of friend you'd come over and you'd electrocute my labia and get me back on the scene because I I couldn't give a flying Fandango at the moment

32:50Vogue Williams:I feel like you just need to you need to maybe it's the summer when you decide to do it again but then I look at people like Katy Perry and I'm like look at her she's gone out with like a Prime Minister or something because she is she's Katy fucking Perry so like she's popping up

33:03Joanne McNally:three floors she's got like twirly lollipops latex outfits It's...

33:08Vogue Williams:But you're Joanne McNally. Why shouldn't you? Excuse me. You're doing the three arena. People are frightened of you. Yeah, you're doing the three arena. It's time to get lollipops in later. No one cares. Yeah, and you're doing a matinee show. You wait till I pop up through that floor.

33:19Joanne McNally:You fucking wait. And you're going to fly. I'm excited. Spinning through the air. I think.

33:24Vogue Williams:My God, she might fly like a little witch going around the place on a broomstick.

33:29Joanne McNally:Do you know, I watched an interview with Talisa recently. She did the Great Company podcast. I was watching clips. And she was saying, she was like, because they're trying to label her with some sort of sexuality. There's some like demisexual where you're like, oh, I just don't ride people I'm not attracted to. And everyone's like, ooh, interesting. Like that's a sexual orientation. It's like, no, I feel like that. It's not a sexual orientation. It's like, I won't, I've no, I need to be invested in you in some way emotionally to give a shit.

34:03Vogue Williams:I now in fairness I wouldn't like I would be very much someone who would need like I need to get to know somebody maybe it's I don't know it's not just because I'm a frigid it's just because actually what I like is getting to know somebody and fancying their personality and wanting to be friends with them before yeah

34:21Joanne McNally:that's what's hot like look I can't speak for all women I can only speak for myself and Vogue which I'm more than happy to do because I know you well enough to speak on your behalf and you're like me there has to be some sort of emotional connection. I don't, I don't, I don't care about fucking getting ridden by some random, like I don't care. Like it's not like I'm, I don't care. I just, I need to have some connection with someone and they make me laugh and I need to fancy them in some way.

34:48Vogue Williams:Okay, I think that we just need to shelve it. I think that you're enjoying your life. You're going away for Christmas and stuff like that. You're going to have a nice time and maybe we'll revisit in the summer.

34:58Joanne McNally:I think dating apps are on the way out. I think apparently it's all coming full circle. apparently Bumble is falling through the ground and people are going back to real life meetings in pubs it's all going to come 180 yeah it's going to be get yourself to the Devonshire Joanne

35:16Vogue Williams:go to the Devonshire

35:17Joanne McNally:I'm going to write the postman anyone who comes into contact with the house

35:22Vogue Williams:okay well do you want to write that do you want to write that in your delivery slip you know it's like first floor please call the bell code will not be released Come in, not hard

35:47Joanne McNally:Go on, just pop the bra before you go, will you? Just anything, just a bit of mail Just any bit of touch or feeling

36:00Vogue Williams:Have you heard about Cynthia Eriva and Ariana Grande are in a non-demi, curious, semi-binary relationship? And a demi-curious means someone who is a little bit curious about trying something often sexual or romantic, but not fully committed or sure. Semi-binary means someone who feels partly connected, but not fully. So I have no idea what this means.

36:24Joanne McNally:Do you know what? Do you know what? And I really like those women. but I have to say in the words of our great philosopher Shakespeare yeah fuck off you're just mates stop trying to add all these weird labels to it you're just mates Fogamore just me and you holding hands announcing we are in a demi-curious lazy slot plug semi-non-sexual demi like shut up you're just mates it's a friendship it's a friendship you're just mates

36:52Vogue Williams:and not everything has to be labelled you don't have to label everything just like

36:56Joanne McNally:if your label takes seven minutes to get out of your mates forget about it no one cares

37:00Vogue Williams:non-demi curie semi binary I feel like we need something Joanne I mean it sounds kind of interesting we probably need a label on us

37:08Joanne McNally:I'll give us a label mates pals call us friends we're mates but like have you noticed that and this is what I because that obviously did come across my radar and there's something I think I will say and like obviously anecdotal just going off what I see myself I think this is driven by Cynthia more than Ariana and I've noticed when it was a stitch on TikTok so obviously like I'm brainwashed but like every time Ariana talks about their friendship Cynthia will fix something on her body she'll fix a necklace she'll fix a ring it's like it's I'm not going to control sounds terrible because I'm not saying that it's kind of coercive or anything like that I think they're like really good friends but they're obviously thick as thieves and there's a huge intimacy there and they've really bonded and making this amazing piece of art together.

38:00Joanne McNally:But there's also, you know, like an ownership thing there or maybe they're doing it for press. Like... I don't, I don't, I don't.

38:09Vogue Williams:It's not that I don't like people touching me. And I, like, I said this when I was in the jungle as well because everyone was very huggy in there and I was like, I'm not really like a massive hugger. Like, I don't like go around hugging everyone. It's just not my thing. And I just, I don't know how I'd feel about having a friend like that who's always like touching me.

38:25Joanne McNally:I don't think I've ever touched you have I?

38:28Vogue Williams:I once had someone sit in my lap before and I was like oh my god this is odd it wasn't me

38:33Joanne McNally:I wouldn't last a second there no no wouldn't last a second oh god yeah I think I think that I feel like that's led by Cynthia I could be wrong that's my personal opinion I think Cynthia's more kind of witchy woo woo bit away with the fairies like fantastic incredibly talented and all that jazz and I think Ariana is

38:58Vogue Williams:Where's their mom to tell them stop being like that?

39:01Joanne McNally:On the receiving end of Cynthia's intense energy is what I would say.

39:06Vogue Williams:But I don't know. I went home to Sandra Wilson and I said Mom I just want you to know that Joanne and I are now in a non-demi curious semi-binary relationship. My mom would be like pardon? What?

39:17Joanne McNally:And then she'd be going back to Rosara Fitz in the hallway. She has no time for that shit. Nor does Bacchus. I'm not kidding. Mom. you shop anywhere else like God and get Massimo Dutty I think there's been something highly entertaining about the Wicked Press tour it they I still haven't seen it

39:38Vogue Williams:because you told me it was two hours 40 minutes long I said there's no way I'll get through that so I still haven't even seen it

39:42Joanne McNally:well I actually told you it was an hour and 30 and then misunderstood and then Joe fact-checked and turned it was nine hours long but I'd bought a couple of cans of gin and tin a couple of Ginny

39:53Vogue Williams:a Ginny T's

39:54Joanne McNally:a couple of Ginny Ginny's in but yeah I think at this point they are I think Cynthia and Ariana might be trolling us I mean it does get a lot of press for Wicked now

40:03Vogue Williams:because it just goes

40:04Joanne McNally:absolutely everywhere but if you have to use a thesaurus for every single word in a nine word description of your relationship fuck off

40:12Vogue Williams:okay here's one thing that I will say though imagine they're doing the press days all day long and there's just people in and out and in and out and asking the same questions the entire time which by the way I blame their PR because when I do things like that you're like given certain set of questions that you can ask and it's like why is that so boring for me and it's for them but like maybe they get so bored that they just come out with this random stuff. Do you know what Vogue you've hit the nail

40:36Joanne McNally:on the head so I'm doing a lot of press at the moment I'm selling that 9th Apollo I'm doing the 3 Arena I have additional dates and like these shows you know they're going to need some work to push because I've obviously been on the road for a year already so we're you know I'm doing the I'm doing the scene and I am already bored of my own story at some point someone's going to go and you're adopted I'm going to go no not actually made it up. Pogues my mum. This is why Kate Beckinsale owned the Jimmy Fallon show by talking about her daughter's boyfriend laying eggs.

41:12Vogue Williams:What?

41:14Joanne McNally:You need to see this it was a masterclass

41:17Vogue Williams:I asked you to tell me if anything important had happened in the world and you didn't tell me that you started harping on about the budget and I said no John I mean like real problems what the fuck

41:26Joanne McNally:it's a masterclass it's a masterclass

41:33Vogue Williams:okay everyone thank you so much for listening we will be back with a bonus on a Wednesday day

42:02Vogue Williams:this has been a global player original production