In short
Joanne McNally and Vogue Williams banter about sunglasses, online sexual markets, and pop culture. Topic highlights: Vogue’s under-eye treatments and cheap orange-tinted sunglasses; “pay pigs” (men who want humiliation/demoralisation for money) and a real-life DM/DMs Joanne receives; online chat sites like Chatroulette and concerns about the dark web; moving house with male movers and how it felt “not misogynistic”; sex-toy mishaps during moves and a mistaken accusation involving Dior sunglasses later revealed to be fakes.
Key claims
sunglasses should cost more because they protect eyes; pay pigs can be monetised via humiliation; AI restrictions now prevent “undressing” requests.
Notable examples
South Korea police spending £54,000 on a suspected murder that turned out to be a sex doll; Jessie Buckley winning a British Choice Award; film talk around Hamnet and The Housemaid; Bradley Cooper directing a John Bishop biopic.
Guests
Vogue Williams (co-host). No other guests.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOSunglasses and Style
0:45 to 3:00
Discussion about sunglasses, fashion choices, and personal anecdotes.
“You know, the real scuba ones, the black ones.”
The Cost of Sunglasses
3:00 to 5:00
Exploring the value of sunglasses and their protective features.
“Well, maybe if you were topless, not if I was.”
Pay Pigs Explained
5:00 to 8:00
Joanne introduces the concept of 'pay pigs' and her experiences.
“It was a weird coincidence because paypigs are on my mind because she talks about paypigs in the book.”
Unexpected Offers
8:00 to 8:30
Joanne shares a surprising offer from a man to be called names for money.
Engaging with Pay Pigs
8:30 to 12:00
Discussion on the ethics and implications of engaging with pay pigs.
“now back in the day the beep beep days I'm not surprised you got a couple of wanking videos and I obviously very much put out that hostile vibe that you give out to me for it's about to make me your shit ton of cash.”
Moving House Confessions
12:00 to 14:01
Joanne talks about her recent move and her observations about hard work.
“But like, I kind of thought something quite misogynistic yesterday and today.”
Exploring Gender Norms and Fashion
14:01 to 16:40
Discussing men's fashion choices and perceptions around masculinity.
“Yeah, but this was, yeah, no, you're right.”
Moving and Misunderstandings
16:41 to 20:20
Sharing humorous stories about moving and the chaos that ensues.
“A very prominent reality star came here and viewed this house.”
Accusations and Misplaced Blame
20:21 to 24:10
Recounting a story of accusing a housemate of theft and its repercussions.
“do you remember the sunglasses maybe they borrowed them because I had come back early and I was like maybe they borrowed them and they were going to drop them back.”
Bizarre News Story: The Sex Doll Incident
26:21 to 28:01
Discussing a strange news story involving a sex doll mistaken for a body.
“eating everyone's shit from the fridge as well.”
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Exploring Relationship Dynamics and Technology
28:01 to 29:59
The hosts discuss the complexities of relationships, particularly with technology's influence on intimacy.
“Like it feels like, it does feel kind of like its own murder in a way.”
Celebrating Jessie Buckley and 'Hamnet'
30:00 to 32:48
The hosts celebrate Jessie Buckley's achievements and discuss the film adaptation of 'Hamnet'.
“There's Oscar chats so basically Hamnet is the film of the year allegedly and it's two Irish leads Paul Meskel and Jessie Buckley and it's do you know what's so weird?”
Book Discussions and Personal Reading Experiences
32:49 to 35:30
The hosts share their thoughts on various books they've read and the importance of enjoying the reading process.
Amber's Journey on Dancing with the Stars
35:31 to 39:54
The hosts discuss Amber's progress on the dance show and share humorous anecdotes about it.
“So I don't think, so it's basically, let me Google.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:01Vogue Williams:This is a Global Player original podcast.
0:15Joanne McNally:Welcome to My Therapist Ghosted Me. We're back. It's me, Joanne McNally, and tis herself. Hello, Vogue Williams. Joanne.
0:24Vogue Williams:I didn't know you were such a Jimmy Salvo fan. Nice shades.
0:29Joanne McNally:Listen Vogue I'll take criticism of sunglasses from a lot of people but I won't be you and say what you want about Jimmy but he'd great style He'd great style and we're similar in ways I do a lot of charity work myself
0:43Vogue Williams:Did you get those glasses through a charity? Do you like hanging around the morgue?
0:50Joanne McNally:Do you know who gave me these glasses? Who? Oh no, sorry I gave them to myself I forgot because Deirdre O 'Cain gave me a set of glasses once I thought they were this so I bought now the reason I'm wearing spectacles is I've had a little bit of under eye treatment done I was down in the in the dermatology getting my bits and bobs getting a few tweaks here and a few rolls there and a few jabs here and there and I've yet to heal I'm surprised that even concerns you
1:18Vogue Williams:I actually do like the shades because they are up my street listen to that well we are in London it's broken make up your fucking mind are you going or not going
1:32Joanne McNally:yeah like is it an emergency or not sounds like you're just trying to decide whether to use the siren to go home for dinner
1:39Vogue Williams:I posted my shades when I was skiing but like they're ones that I only wear and I feel like I wear them as rage bait because I know they annoy people so much so I take them on certain holidays and the amount of people ask me where they were from and I thought they were taking the piss out of me to begin with but they actually wanted them. You know, the real scuba ones, the black ones.
1:58Joanne McNally:Yeah. But they're very, they'd be very cool on the off-pist, as they say, or whatever. Oh, half-pist on the off-race ski. Off-pist. I bought these off Amazon. Why? I don't know. I loved the style of them, but I forgot. They were like 15 quid or something. So goodbye to your eyeballs. Well, do you know what, folks? See, this is why, in many ways, you're way smarter than I am. And in some ways I'm smarter than you. But when it comes to health, wellness, capitalism, business, mothering, contraception, sexual health, financial issues, you are smarter than me in those areas. And I didn't, it didn't occur to me that there's a reason that sunglasses cost money because they protect your eyes.
2:50Joanne McNally:I'm basically wearing two plastic two pieces of plastic over my eyes and then walking out into the common and wondering why I can't see anything
2:58Vogue Williams:and I would say they actually would bring more sunlight into the eyes rather than reflecting it because they're like an orange shade you'd be worried now a bit of Fred West in there as well it's just it's an unusual mix of shade they weren't orange when I bought them
3:12Joanne McNally:they've burnt from the sun I think
3:16Vogue Williams:were they clear when you bought them and now they've just turned into this dirty brown
3:22Joanne McNally:I love your top Those 80s sexual predators ruined sunglasses they all wore those big aviators and now no one can get away with wearing them and you know God damn you paedophiles I'm here to raise awareness I'm bringing them back
3:38Vogue Williams:Well everyone guess what if you want to see the shades in question you'll have to go over to the YouTube to go and see the full episodes of Joanne and I
3:46Joanne McNally:on the YouTube It's not a great sale really it'd be better if we were topless or something, wouldn't it?
3:52Vogue Williams:Well, maybe if you were topless, not if I was.
3:55Joanne McNally:What would be the point of that? I'll do one tit and you do two, so we're equals.
4:00Vogue Williams:I'd have to get something below the waist, to be honest, for it to make any difference.
4:05Joanne McNally:Is there a guy that comes in? So I have two guys in my DMs at the moment. Great news. One is a pay pig. What's that? Oh, you don't know what a pay pig is?
4:13Vogue Williams:A pay pig? No. I can probably guess.
4:17Joanne McNally:Yeah. it's a man who wants to be demoralised for money I'm actually reading a book at the moment that I'm thoroughly enjoying which also mentions pay pigs it's called Allow Me To Introduce Myself On You Nawab and Nelly now I probably butchered that and I apologise Show us the cover The character has grown up under the spotlight of her stepmother's social media empire Now this could be
4:39Vogue Williams:Does she write this?
4:40Joanne McNally:I was going to say actually I was reading it and I was like I must send this to Vogue Her entire life has been photographed, documented, monetised, liked and shared now she's had enough she's here to take back control
4:49Vogue Williams:uh oh
4:50Joanne McNally:don't deny
4:51Vogue Williams:make sure Gigi doesn't find that book I know
4:54Joanne McNally:she'd be she'd be worth Gigi's got a lot of money coming to her if she plays her cards right there's a lot of money back there's a lot of back business money out to that charge listen they're not going to say a word when they see what I'm
5:05Vogue Williams:putting aside for them they could get lost yeah they're going to they're doing well
5:08Joanne McNally:they'll be delighted driving around to their little tiny little tiny Ferraris little baby Ferraris what was I going to say Yes, sorry. It was a weird coincidence because paypigs are on my mind because she talks about paypigs in the book. But also I've noticed there is a man who comes in to me, not on a weekly basis, I'd say once a month he comes in and asks me if he can give me money in exchange for me calling him a piece of shit. Okay. Hang on a second. No strings. I know, it's wild. And online, you can do this online. We haven't got into the nitty gritty because obviously I'm not engaging with him.
5:47Vogue Williams:Well, I not only speak on my own behalf, but I speak on the entire ghosted community and Joe that you must engage. Yeah, I know you're right. You must engage. What was I thinking? Sorry. That's quite rude, actually, that you already haven't done it. Don't come to us with Half-A-Story. Get back there and call him. What's some awful name? Yeah, Piggy. I'm going to cut your willy off, Piggy.
6:08Joanne McNally:This is your job as a journalist. You're right. I forgot my safety means nothing. We have a podcast to make.
6:13Vogue Williams:It's more because she's got a pure mind, you know? Pure in marketing. It's not, she hasn't really tapped on the journalist. So get in there.
6:20Joanne McNally:Do you know what? You're right. I'll put it back on my list of to-dos. But basically, it's kind of, I wouldn't say it's a common occurrence. It's probably maybe the circles I'm living in. But I have heard other women talking about it, that they just want to be completely humiliated. And then in exchange, they give money. Now, I don't know, in the book, she's made quite a bit of money on them. But I don't know how much money my guys offer me. I'll go back. I might get Rick to chat to him about race.
6:41Vogue Williams:Listen, to be honest with you, I think that this one you can take a hit and just give him a little a little bit for free and see what he comes back with
6:47Joanne McNally:do you know what you're actually so right pay pig if you're listening to this because he doesn't come up as pay pig but he actually DMs me on Twitter as well he's quite keen he's quite keen
6:56Vogue Williams:listen Vogue Williams if you wouldn't mind as well please thank you very much I'd be more than happy to get involved no Vogue you're married listen John I know you're not gonna you're not gonna be you're not gonna be arsed oh okay well you try just for calling him a prick. You'll do it for free. But I have to pay tax on that. Well, yeah. If you get him to rev you, I suppose.
7:19Joanne McNally:Well, I have to pay tax on it. Okay, we'll beep all of this out now. We'll say nothing. If I could get a couple of cash deposits now for the year ahead, I'd be fucking thrilled. And I just get to slag a lad to do it. I mean, it's literally my dream job.
7:32Vogue Williams:Do you remember Snapchat? I used to get a lot of strange people like that on Snapchat. There was one guy who used to send me wanking videos. Like, and it would be, They would be like four minutes long And I'd sit there and watch some of people Oh my god Look at this madness And then like he would It would go the whole way And I'm like who the fuck What the fuck I found it all so weird And then I came off the Snapchat I said I don't want to see things like this
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8:00Joanne McNally:It's rude I was never on Am I on Snapchat? No I'm not on Snapchat No It's too young for us I think We have We obviously both have a vibe that we put out and yours is very much yours is
8:14Vogue Williams:oh that we put out I thought you meant we just had a vibe that we put out and I said no we don't
8:19Joanne McNally:no no no sorry not out and I was like sorry I think you're on no no I don't mean well Beau I'm not saying like that you deserve to have wanking videos sent to you because you're although those thirst traps now back in the day the beep beep days I'm not surprised you got a couple of wanking videos and I obviously very much put out that hostile vibe that you give out to me for it's about to make me your shit ton of cash. This is true, actually. Who would have thought? Do you remember Dick, not Dick Roulette, sorry. It was called Russian Roulette. Oh, yeah.
8:48Vogue Williams:Chat Roulette. Chat Roulette. Dick Roulette. Well, that's all you were waiting for. It should have been called that.
8:53Joanne McNally:Yeah, sorry. Freudian slip.
8:54Vogue Williams:Click, click, click, click, Dick. Dick, yeah. Click, click, click, Dick.
8:57Joanne McNally:What happened to Chat Roulette, Jo?
8:59Vogue Williams:It must still be a thing. I think there's a new version now. I don't know if it doesn't exist. It might exist, but there is a new version because I've seen people doing a new version. Hang on, I'll research. I think when you've got shows like Naked Attraction and stuff you don't need Chat Relate as much because you've just got it all there on TV.
9:15Joanne McNally:But it was supposed to be just a form of people a way of people connecting like kind of connecting with randomers it was wasn't it? Like a chat room like it was it was supposed to be like a chat room Yeah it was supposed to be like a random chat room and of course of course it was ruined with dick pics. It still exists. Does it? It still exists. It still exists. What does it say about it? We could invest in that folk. It says The first page It says chat roulette
9:42Vogue Williams:Meaningful connections There you are It's just wanking though isn't it It's just wank Well I mean That's two jobs for you now Do you want I want you to get back to your man And go on to chat roulette tonight And see what's going on there I'd rather it be in your browser history Than mine I don't want it to be in my browser history Mine's already weird
9:56Joanne McNally:Sure I still have the dark web On my computer Remember from doing the Furby From doing the surveillance podcast For BBC Sounds Yeah your man Jake came out With a cyber security guy came over and he put the dark web on my laptop. But the problem with it is it's not like you can't just go in and Are you allowed to have it or are you not allowed to have it?
10:17Vogue Williams:I thought, was it not illegal to have the dark web?
10:20Joanne McNally:Am I allowed
10:22Vogue Williams:to have a VPN as well? Because I'm watching Amber.
10:25Joanne McNally:Between the tax evasion and the fucking dark web we're going to have to really chop this one up.
10:30Vogue Williams:No, it's not illegal to have access to the dark web but there are lots of illegal things that you can expose yourself to.
10:38Joanne McNally:Yes, because they can't track your IP address. Isn't that it? So I might actually go, do you know what? All joking aside, I'll go and have a look later and see if it can get anything.
10:47Vogue Williams:Yeah, but I think if you start looking for stuff like that, like if the police, listen, this is because I'm such a wint, if the police intercept it and you're wearing those sunglasses as well,
10:57Joanne McNally:you'd never get away from this. I look like an assassin. I look like I should be putting up a LinkedIn account on the dark web.
11:02Vogue Williams:Fear and loathing in Las Vegas over there.
11:08Joanne McNally:I had to have some under eye rejuvenation.
11:16Vogue Williams:You're always rejuvenating those under eyes. It's not a bloody wrinkle on you.
11:21Joanne McNally:I'm surprised I have any room left for any of those fish. I'm surprised I haven't thrown gills at this stage.
11:27Vogue Williams:You won't be able to breathe outside of the water soon. I fooled it.
11:35Vogue Williams:Look here, I'm sitting beside a Caroline box. I have got to, I've never, right, there's a couple of things. Caroline are moving me. And I was like, yesterday I was like, I love moving house. And all day I was like, I love moving house. I love moving house because I'm getting rid of loads of stuff. I was like, why do I love moving house so much? I was so stressed about this. What was I thinking? Then I remembered in my pre-Caroline days before I knew them, I was packing up my whole house. I was renting a van I was putting everything in the van then I was taking it out and I was putting all the stuff and unpacking it all so that's the difference that's why I love it
12:13Joanne McNally:yeah moving with a company like if you can afford to do it it does make the whole thing insanely easy enjoyable it does but it is a fairly it's a fairly you know not everyone can
12:26Vogue Williams:no that is very true not everyone can and this is I haven't moved in eight and a half years so this is the first time that I have moved in a way that has been as nice as this feels. But like, I kind of thought something quite misogynistic yesterday and today. So there's, I have like six men working here and they're just trying to get all the stuff together. Never in my life have I seen a man work so hard. Never. Not once. And I know, and I said it to them and I felt really bad about it. I don't even know if we can use it in the pod. No offence, Jo. But they never stop. I thought, God, I've never seen anything like it.
13:00Vogue Williams:What's Jo Googling? If that's bad? I don't know.
13:01Joanne McNally:I don't know why it's bad to say men working. Hard is bad. Because I just thought
13:06Vogue Williams:I was taken aback by how hard they were working. Which I shouldn't be doing.
13:13Joanne McNally:No, you can be saying that you're so impressed. Did you think they were just going to come in and take a nap?
13:17Vogue Williams:Well, that's usually what they kind of saunter around is the vibe I usually get when I have someone in the house doing something. There's always a bit of sauntering out of a man. Less sauntering out of a woman. But there's no sauntering out of these lads. Oh, I know what you mean. What I was Googling was it's not misogyny because they're men. So it's not misogyny. That's always about women. You're a philogenist. I'm a philogenist. There you go. Oh, hang on. No, you're not. Misogyny against men. What is that?
13:47Joanne McNally:Reality. Reality. Snap. Truthfulness. We love men. We love them.
13:55Vogue Williams:What I fucking do now, I'm telling you, they're like locusts going around. Misandry. Misandry.
14:01Joanne McNally:we're a misanthropist misanthropist honestly I look into a room
14:07Vogue Williams:and all of a sudden bam it's gone it's empty I just I've never
14:11Joanne McNally:seen anything quite like it Caroline was moving me once before I was living with the lad for a while and he was he had quite feminine fashion style which always never sat quite right with me and he had a kind of a like high end designer kind of it was a handbag for want of a better term and the lads tried to pack it.
14:31Vogue Williams:Jacob Elordi loves a handbag, so. He does.
14:34Joanne McNally:Yeah, but this was, yeah, no, you're right. You know, and I can't be a philanthropist. Was this like a clutch
14:38Vogue Williams:situation or something?
14:39Joanne McNally:Men should be allowed wear handbags. We're all equal. Diverse. Yeah, you're phalangey. I'm a philanthropist, I believe. And he, they tried to pack, they tried to pack some of his, some of his kind of floral shirts and his handbag. And I was like, and the look on there, because they're lads. Do you know, these lads are lads. Yeah, yeah, they're lads. They're lads. Do you know? They're like points. Yeah. Lads. Very attractive actually a lot of them. But anyway. A lot of them are very attractive. Very attractive. It's hot when men can do things. But I said to him, they're actually my boyfriends and the look on your man's face he was like, what?
15:15Vogue Williams:Do you know where Spen went through his floral trouser phase where he was buying floral trousers from women's Zara? Do you not remember that? Sorry. Taking my mom's cast offs.
15:25Joanne McNally:The best story and I don't care. I know that sometimes we repeat stories in this podcast. I actually don't care because we're only two women and half a man and there's only so much life we have lived. So, and I think it's a really funny story. The funniest story about Spencer Matthews was when the women went in to organise his wardrobe. I'll let you tell the story, folks.
15:46Vogue Williams:They came in to organise his wardrobe and they put all these pieces of clothing into a dressing up box and Svenny was like, why are they in that box? And they were like, oh, these are for fancy dress. And he was like, no, they're not. They're my clothes. Do you know what happened on this move. Oh my God. Okay. I have to explain how this happened. Remember Spenny did a job with Clean Co and Love Honey, that sex company. That sex toy company. No, I didn't know that. Oh, I told you. I have like, so anyway. Is that why they sent me the cereal with the vibrator? What? They left a shit, like an unusual amount of sex toys in the house.
16:24Vogue Williams:Like a wank sleeve and everything for a man. Gave it to Pete. He used it, said it was all right. Anyway. 3.5 stars. But anyway, they left boxes and boxes of stuff. And so when we're viewing this house, first of all, I went to Sven's dressing room and there's boxes of fucking sex toys like stacked up. I was like, Svenny, there's people coming in and viewing our house. A very prominent reality star came here and viewed this house. She did. She would have seen boxes of sex toys. You're public facing. You need to be more discreet. I look like a monster. I look like I belong in those sunglasses. No, but then, I'm there with the lads, going through Spenny's wardrobe and in one of those boxes there's about 20 sex toys and I've got three Caroline lads standing beside me and I was like guys now listen they're all in the box and they were all laughing none of them would listen to me I was like I swear to God they haven't been used and then I was like they're Joann's they're Joann's you know that box in the hall these are also Joann's well in that case
17:19Joanne McNally:if they're mine ask the lads to drop them over I've no shame and again once again I am repeating myself this is becoming like a greatest hits podcast but do you not remember again in that same move and Caroline moved me do you remember they wrapped up the two spank paddles
17:33Vogue Williams:oh no god well I never
17:35Joanne McNally:they're very meticulous they wrapped up two spank paddles with dirty whore and daddy's little like a bitch I can't even remember what they were and individually wrapped them up I know they're going to think the two of us
17:47Vogue Williams:are very sexually adventurous like I've got about 30 sex toys here that they've seen and now they've packed and I've just I've lost interest in caring like I went to the trouble of hiding the ones that I actually use. Do you know what's... And now they find 30 of those ones. Yeah, they've gone in for a pair.
18:03Joanne McNally:Yeah. I actually find myself with low levels of shame around these kind of things. Like, I had... I am away a lot for work, right? There's several people who have keys to my apartment for various reasons.
18:20Vogue Williams:Yeah.
18:20Joanne McNally:I came home one night and I couldn't get... There's a cupboard in my flat that has some like kind of bits in it. Some cash that I have that is above board and being accounted for.
18:35Vogue Williams:Yeah.
18:37Joanne McNally:Given to by the pig man. What's it called? There's some cash, there's some jewellery and there are some vibes. Vibes.
18:44Vogue Williams:That's a much better way of saying it. The vibes.
18:47Joanne McNally:Right. So obviously I'm a grown woman blah blah blah you kind of accumulate these things over the years. Plus I get sent a lot of them Joe as you know because I get sent to Joe and he possibly.
18:54Vogue Williams:You're about to get another
18:55Joanne McNally:yeah and I've got another 30 for you you won't know what to do with yourself couldn't find the keys to unlock it I was like that's very strange immediately I'm like I've been robbed I break into the drawer Joe but I break I pull the bottom out of it and out falls the cash one piece of the jewellery another piece missing and no vibes no sorry one vibe one vibe fell out and I was like I rang Lauren my PA God love her it's like 7pm and I was like I've been robbed what did they take? A ring and three vibrators. He's like, okay. And left the cash. Left the cash. Left the diamond. And left one. I said, yeah.
19:36Joanne McNally:And they left the shit vibe. So they've obviously tested, tried it while I was away and took the three that worked. I was convinced. I was like, there's no other reason. There's no other excuse for this behaviour. But obviously, as I began to ring around and tell the story, I realised, you know, when the words come out of your own mouth, I couldn't understand it but I was like look it doesn't I know how it sounds but I'm telling you they're gone and like can someone explain it anyway turns out there was I hadn't I hadn't taken the bottom of the drawer out properly and there was a little bit extra drawer or everything else fell out but I hadn't accused anyone I just thought it in my head I hadn't said anything I had sent some texts around being like did anyone open this cupboard or know where the keys are and everyone said no do you remember the sunglasses maybe they borrowed them because I had come back early and I was like maybe they borrowed them and they were going to drop them back.
20:27Vogue Williams:Do you remember the Dior sunglasses? Actually, I don't even know where they are now, remember?
20:31Joanne McNally:Oh, do I what?
20:34Vogue Williams:And I blamed, this is a long time ago in the pod. Again, we've told the pod. We've told the story again, but let's do it. Let's tell it again. This was really bad. Do you remember this joke? I had these Dior sunglasses. I don't remember. It bodes well for it, but do stay tuned for, you know, a story that hasn't been told. I know. I have, your Adidas top from that night when I was the night that I'll never forget for as long as I live the night that I gave up drinking
21:00Joanne McNally:yeah the night before I gave up drinking I must get that back
21:03Vogue Williams:yeah it's a nice one it's a nice one but no so I had lent Joanne this lovely pair of Dior sunglasses like really nice I must go down and see where they are I don't know where they are actually it's heartbreaking must have been your one anyway I was convinced Joanne had the sunglasses and Joanne you haven't given me back the sunglasses. Like, where are they? Like, I really like those sunglasses. Anyway, me and Joanne decided that this person who was, we saw her wearing the sunglasses in pictures and we had decided that she had stolen the sunglasses.
21:33Joanne McNally:Oh, I'll tell you. Oh, I'll tell you. I'll tell you the story. I'll tell you the story. I was down in Vogue's, you know, like as I would be in an age or whatever.
21:42Vogue Williams:It's not unusual for you to borrow something and forget.
21:45Joanne McNally:No, no, no.
21:45Vogue Williams:But you mean, we all borrow.
21:46Joanne McNally:We all borrow and we give back. We do. We do. And so anyway, and Vogue then says to me she's like you've got my Dior sunglasses I said I don't because at the time like I kind of have a couple of nicer bits now but at the time I really didn't so I would have really known if I had a pair of Dior sunglasses do you know what I mean this was before we started getting paid to do a podcast touch wood thank God anyway
22:11Vogue Williams:so you'd have the eyes burnt out of your head
22:14Joanne McNally:I'd have the eyes burnt out of my head just two fire two smoke and sockets just smoke coming out of my sockets anyway Vogue was like you absolutely have them you have them and I was like god this is really awkward because I am a bit scatty with stuff she was like you've obviously lost them once you skip a few there was a new woman had moved into the shared house I was in and we didn't really hadn't really gelled at that point no but one of the girls was like I think you'd really like her like look at her Instagram she's quite cool because her Instagram is private and in the photo she was wearing the glasses right and that's
22:48Vogue Williams:Joanne sent me the screen grab and I was like the bitch
22:52Joanne McNally:she's taken my shit she's stolen the glasses so she's lifted them out of the house so I'm of course in this really awkward position now because my housemate has stolen the glasses so I and Vogue is like basically Vogue in fairness to her I was like I want them I want them replaced you were down on your holidays you're like I want them back I want them either back or replaced so I was like right the glasses are about 400 quid yeah they weren't
23:14Vogue Williams:cheap glasses now
23:15Joanne McNally:they weren't cheap glasses
23:16Vogue Williams:I'm very concerned where are they honestly I don't have them anymore. So anyway, I
23:21Joanne McNally:started texting my housemate. What could I do? I had to text my housemate going, hey, you haven't seen my glasses, have you? Blah, blah, blah. Anyway, I was trying to get the planter. She said, no, no, she's like, I haven't done anything. And then I ended up screen grabbing the photo of her wearing the glasses and sending them to her. Are these not the glasses? And she went, no, no, I bought them for really cheap. They're fakes. See, I think she knew. Me and her didn't really get on. Oh God, and then you were accusing her of stealing. I think she knew. and I think she knew she hadn't and I think she intentionally wouldn't prove to me that she hadn't.
23:55Joanne McNally:I think she was kind of proving a point, which is fair enough. Anyway, she's like, oh, they're gone now. I've lost them. I don't know where they are. So I was, of course, convinced that I was like, oh my God. So I bought new glasses. So I went to my housemate, accused her of stealing, bought the new sunglasses.
24:10Vogue Williams:Two pairs of sunglasses, by the way, because she decided she'd treat herself and get the pink pair. So she got the pink pair. Pink pair or half-pice?
24:16Joanne McNally:Pink pair or half-pice?
24:19Vogue Williams:and then I went up to Scotland up to Spencer's parents place up in Scotland and I'm sitting at the dinner table and one of the girls comes around and she goes Vogue you left your sunglasses here when you were last here and I opened them and I was like and it was the Dior shades and then for a second I was like I can't tell her I cannot tell her what I've done I can't do it and then I was like there's no way because it's too funny
24:46Joanne McNally:to your fairness to you you could have said nothing But then I realised It was then that I realised Because everything was stacking up It was almost like she was letting me It was almost like she was letting me think she had It was like she was kind of putting it up to me Just come out and say it Because she wouldn't show me the glasses She would not show them to me
25:07Vogue Williams:Imagine accusing somebody of stealing When they hadn't done it And the two of us were really like Oh my god
25:14Joanne McNally:What else has she taken Such a weird coincidence though. They were the exact same sunglasses.
25:21Vogue Williams:It was, it was. And then we were like detectives just barking up the wrong tree. And I mean, you can't come back from accusing somebody of stealing. That's when you had to move out.
25:32Joanne McNally:That was kind of the end of the vibe in the house. I mean, the house wasn't vibing at that stage anyway. And I was like, I think I should go now. I'm kind of causing scenes here. I'm the problem. It's me.
25:43Vogue Williams:I'm the problem. You were the common denominator by the end of it.
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26:20Vogue Williams:You were going around eating everyone's shit from the fridge as well.
26:23Joanne McNally:I ate one of the girls Easter eggs. She went fucking mental. As I said to her on the day, you're too old to have Easter eggs anyway. That's what I was. What am I thinking?
26:30Vogue Williams:Yeah.
26:34Vogue Williams:There was a sex doll in South Korea and she had a long and lustrous life.
26:39Joanne McNally:Only the one?
26:40Vogue Williams:Only the one. She fucking went
26:42Joanne McNally:through the mail, I'd say.
26:44Vogue Williams:Well, she did. Anyway, So the doll Before the doll was shown to be a doll The police basically were told Of this dead body that was like lurking Within the woods like you know There's an arm or something hanging out There was a potential murder scene in South Korea So people had seen like Arms and legs like hanging out of this bush In the middle of this place in South Korea A passerby had said that So 50 officers Arrived at the scene They sealed the area off for 31 hours thinking it was a murder scene. 50 police officers. No! Because I love to know the price of things, of course I had to find out how much that would cost.
27:22Vogue Williams:So to have 50 officers for 30 hours, it cost them£54 ,000, right? And after looking at it, first of all, they went and looked at the body and the texture was so similar to that of a real person that even when they touched it, they thought it was a real person. It was only when they took it out that they realised it was actually a discarded, sex doll. And they spent 54 grand checking out this murder scene, wasting 30 hours of their lives when it was a doll. Now I actually thought, getting rid of a sex doll like that after all the work and love she has put into you is a bit shitty, isn't it? It feels vengeful.
28:01Joanne McNally:Like it feels like, it does feel kind of like its own murder in a way. It feels disrespectful, it feels sexist, it feels violent. It feels like, do you know what, it feels like some of the end of my relationships as well. I just felt discarded. Do you know what this Sorry, I've just copped on what's happened here. This is a man whose girlfriend is moving in with him. Isn't it? And he's like, maybe she surprised visited him or maybe a long distance relationship and someone flew over to surprise him. This is a panic. This is a panic disposing of a very high-end sex doll by the sounds of it. This is a very expensive one.
28:43Vogue Williams:It must have been. If I was getting into a relationship with somebody, I don't think I'd be able to accept the existence, pre-existence or ever even thought of a sex doll. And there's another thing, you know, the lads who wear the, what are they called, the VR goggles and wank alone to porn. I just think, I don't mind if you want to watch porn, obviously, I don't mind about that. But like when you're working on VR goggles and stuff, that's a bit much for me.
29:07Joanne McNally:Did you see all the stuff that they're getting rid of? AI now won't be allowed. Is it grok? What's the Elon Musk? Oh yeah, what's a crack with Grok? Grok is on, it's on formerly known Blah X. And basically it was undressing people, women and young people. Which, you know. And Keira Starmer. Did they undress Keira Starmer? Elon Musk undressed Keira Starmer. Which I was undressing people. So now they've made it illegal for AI. You can't ask AI to undress someone. Which means I have to do my own fucking naked shoots now. Which is a pain in the hell. I can't catfish anymore I have to actually go back to the gym
29:46Vogue Williams:You didn't look a backlog
29:47Joanne McNally:You used the old ones I looked at my dating profile the other day I said Joanne In all good faith You can't move forward with those pictures Joanne It's just not who you are anymore
29:59Vogue Williams:Send me them and I'll see which ones you can still use But you know when I was going through my knicker drawer Because I haven't gone through it in so long I was going through my knicker drawer You want to see some of the shit I found in there like suspenders like these little red lacy outfits with suspenders I'm like send them up to me will you give me a cup of the arse I binge them I just don't know when I'd ever be wearing them again I was embarrassed and knickers with like knickers with like like where they just have like a little a little triangle where the crack is what
30:34Joanne McNally:as two Irish women can we just offer our massive congratulations to Jessie Buckley who won the British Choice Award. There's Oscar chats so basically Hamnet is the film of the year allegedly and it's two Irish leads Paul Meskel and Jessie Buckley and it's do you know what's so weird? I literally so Maggie O 'Farrell I was reading a book which I didn't finish I will go back to I lost it somewhere so whatever but it was called This Will Be The Place and then someone was messaging me going oh you must read her book called Hamnet it's brilliant and then do you know when something just comes in someone comes into your ether and then it's all you fucking hear about so anyway then it was announcer making a film about it so I haven't I'm doing that thing in my head that I won't do where I'm like no no I'll read the book first I won't but I'm just saying that I might
31:18Vogue Williams:I actually might read the book first oh my god we could do it together let's do it together let's okay let's do a book ghosties
31:24Joanne McNally:very hard though and it's all it's gonna be all the cinemas fucking everywhere and it's like but I would I'd be up for reading the book as well because apparently the book is fantastic okay let's I'll tell you what I'm going to order the book now. Let's read the book. Number one bestseller and there is chat now. There's, there's, it's, and I, do you know what? It's not fair to put the Oscar pressure on because she's just won something incredible. So it's, do you know, and it's kind of like if you have a kid, they're like, are you having another one? She's just won something incredible. But they were, I was reading about it today and they were saying, you know the way sometimes people are really surprised when they win something?
31:55Vogue Williams:Yeah, she was.
31:56Joanne McNally:No, she wasn't. I think it's very clear. No, she was, she was just, she's accepting that this is her moment. And I'm not saying that in a shady way. I think it was really impressive that she's like, yeah. She's been slogging away though.
32:09Vogue Williams:She's been, she like, I think like, I feel like you don't necessarily recognize her name, but when you Google her, you're like, oh my God, yeah, like I know her. She's been in so many different things.
32:20Joanne McNally:She came up in your man, whose name escapes me, Andrew Lloyd Webber. Wasn't it his reality TV show she came up in?
32:28Vogue Williams:Is that where she came from?
32:29Joanne McNally:I think so. they wanted her to do it she's got a great voice you see
32:32Vogue Williams:I've actually ordered The Housemaid as well because that's another thing I really want to go and see in the cinema and if it's in the cinema you know the book's going to be better
32:38Joanne McNally:well do you know what folk I'm going to tell you now I must be the only person in the world who didn't enjoy The Housemaid really I didn't enjoy it I didn't enjoy it everyone was talking about it I bought it read it I didn't even finish it I didn't enjoy it at all I don't know it just didn't grab me at all I don't know do you know what I will say
32:52Vogue Williams:and I saw Ryan Trubble saying this the other day because he has a bookshelf podcast like if you don't like a book put it in and get rid of it I ordered this book adults and I started it and everyone was like that's the best book you're ever going to read it's so so good and then I started reading it and I was like I'm not enjoying it and I actually I just stopped I was like I'm not going to keep reading it if I'm not really enjoying it it hasn't grabbed me and I think if you're reading a book don't force yourself because it'll put you off reading You feel like a failure though don't you you're like
33:16Joanne McNally:no come on power it through and also I think because we're such dopamine addicted whore bags at this point that thank you very much not every not every minute of a book is going to be riveting do you know what I mean like sometimes you have to let the slow burn you have to take we're so we're so we're so used to like really quick hits it should be good
33:36Vogue Williams:it should be good straight away but I've started Slags now which was another one that people were telling me to read and I do like Slags I have to say it's a good book
33:43Joanne McNally:good yeah and Jeanette McCurdy who wrote I'm glad my mum died has a new book coming out called Half Her Age Half Her Age Half His Age something like that so that's going to be that's going to be
33:52Vogue Williams:that's going to be a TV show as well the I'm glad my mum died which I can't wait for is it Jennifer Aniston is going to be in it
33:57Joanne McNally:Jennifer Aniston it's been in it because it's also
33:58Vogue Williams:this little movie and TV buffs what's this called our culture pocket our culture pocket and did I tell you I went to see Marty Supreme is it good well now I only have an attention span of 53 minutes but I did enjoy it but then at about 53 minutes I was like I need to get the fuck out of here and just go for a little walk for a second and I did but it's not that I wasn't enjoying the movie I just I can't it's very difficult for me
34:23Joanne McNally:he's grand he doesn't listen you can say what you want yeah
34:27Vogue Williams:I love him and Kylie Jenner I'm sorry I love her so much she might be my favourite Kardashian don't talk him
34:33Joanne McNally:she's certainly having a moment because he's having a huge moment and he thanked her in his speech his partner of three years so they've gone
34:40Vogue Williams:he said partner twice partner feels a bit like something you say in your 60s
34:43Joanne McNally:partner you know what the actors are like they're all mad at the box of frogs my partner your partner do you know there was I was chatting to a lesbian friend of mine recently and she was like straights have to stop calling their partners partners because when I meet a woman and she's like my partner I assume she's gay and then her fucking fellow walks in she's like he's your boyfriend she's not your partner
35:00Vogue Williams:we can't take that word I agree I don't like the word partner unless you're over the age of 60 slash 70 and I wouldn't I don't know no I would still use boyfriend now
35:10Joanne McNally:but not over 60 partner to me is an extra layer so that to me would suggest that maybe he's building up to make her like girlfriend is maybe they feel like they've yeah maybe they feel like they've kind of graduated past that partner is it's a big it's a big swing of a word for a lad his age but he's also I mean he's an actor it's Timothée Chalamet an actor yeah you wouldn't say girlfriend girlfriend does feel partner feels more solid like there's more currency to it like it's a kind of a weightier term girlfriend or boyfriend does seem a little lighter I still I can't really get him a word of partner
35:43Vogue Williams:I just I'd prefer he didn't use it to be honest with you yeah fair enough thank you glad that he's listening and that he cares we'll contact him
35:54Joanne McNally:Australia tour dates they're still ticking along I still have tickets now for Sydney, Melbourne I think there's something out for Perth and we're adding an extra Brisbane we're adding a 4pm we're adding a matinee oh fantastic
36:12Joanne McNally:also a bit of good news I watched Bradley Cooper did an interview with Joe Rogan and I actually watched it on YouTube because he's promoting a new film called Is This Thing On which is a film about John Bishop. Did you know this show?
36:26Vogue Williams:Sorry, Brandon.
36:26Joanne McNally:I was in the comedian. He was playing John Bishop. Yeah. Comedian. Yeah. He's not doing the accent, is he? No. So I don't think, so it's basically, let me Google. Do you know what I thought
36:36Vogue Williams:you were going to say the good news about Bradley Cooper was? I thought you were going to say and he went on this podcast and was admitted to his facelift.
36:43Joanne McNally:That's what I thought. There's nothing you need to admit. I think if you've eyes, you know what's going on. But the face has settled. That's what I will say. Oh, good. Okay. Is this thing on? facing middle age and an impending divorce Alec finds new purpose in the New York comedy scene while his wife Tess confronts the sacrifices she made for their family and Bradley Cooper Bradley Cooper is directing a film about John Bishop's life written by Will Arnett so he's not playing
37:05Vogue Williams:and Will Arnett wrote it that's wild
37:08Joanne McNally:I never heard of Will Arnett that's a new name to me Google him you'll know him Google him and the actor was going around doing stand up and doing the scenes because John basically the story goes that John Bishop's wife left him and he was in the doll and he was kind of drinking his sorrows away in a pub. But there was a little room at the back and he didn't want to pay the cover charge. He said, if you want to come in, you don't want to pay the cover charge, you'll have to get up and do stand-up. And he went, okay, grand, I'll do it. And then he started talking about his divorce. That's what happened.
37:39Joanne McNally:That's kind of how it started. And then he got kind of the horn for comedy, as you do. And then it's kind of the love story about him and the wife. And she walked into a pub one night randomly and he was on stage doing stand-up. That's John's actual story. So his wife
37:52Vogue Williams:that he was breaking up with or he got a new wife?
37:54Joanne McNally:His wife who he was breaking up with Oh they're still together She came and saw him so it's kind of the story about their journey but anyway John was telling the story to someone in LA because he's a hobnobber now and yeah they were like that's a fantastic story and now Bradley Cooper brought the rights and it's happening It's wild It's rolling Yeah it's good isn't it? That is kind of wild I'd actually go and see that Absolutely
38:17Vogue Williams:We should write down our little stories as well. We can see if we can get them straight through.
38:22Joanne McNally:Great story. How we met and all, you know. Our love story, Vogue. Yeah. It's such a beautiful fairy tale.
38:33Vogue Williams:Come here to me. I have to add this in as well. Amber is, she got through on her week of Dancing with the Stars and she was a vast improvement from last week where she was like the Tin Man.
38:44Joanne McNally:Huge, huge improvement.
38:45Vogue Williams:She is on a journey. Huge.
38:46Joanne McNally:She's on a journey, which is what you need to be on these dancing shows.
38:49Vogue Williams:I'm going to the show this Sunday. Oh, fantastic. She's doing hilarious. But please vote for Amber because she is obviously up for the vote off again this week and there's a week I really want her to stay in for. So if you can, please vote for Amber Ozie. She's making a real effort. Are they getting free sunglasses one week or something? No, but I would like...
39:09Joanne McNally:Please God, stay for the freebies.
39:11Vogue Williams:We'll get her out around week four because I don't really want her to be there longer than I was, you know? A bit competitive like that. Oh, of course. a bit of healthy
39:19Joanne McNally:familial competition of course tick tick tick well I watched her and I kind of fell in love with her I love Amber anyway but she was just she just looked like she was really enjoying herself she looks like she's working hard and and yeah I hope she goes all the way
39:34Vogue Williams:I saw her though there's a video of her in the background and it's like she forgot she was on camera and she's there doing this like sticking her fingers up thing in the background and then you just see and she catches the camera and she's like really still I'm like Amber you're always on camera it's a live show for fuck's sake stick it to your fingers live TV baby
39:49Joanne McNally:where is she gonna go next she'll be dancing on the ice over here soon dancing on the ice
39:53Vogue Williams:that show's over they don't do that do they they don't do dancing on ice anymore
39:57Joanne McNally:oh this is similar to when I rang my agent and asked why I wasn't doing Mock the Week and he said because it was cancelled six years ago you're not doing your job properly why am I not on Mock the Week do you know you put in one call a month where you're like what are you actually doing over there huh I'm doing all the work Mock the Week he's like do you want Mock the Week it's been cancelled that hasn't been on the TV in years. I was like, what a lovely comeback for him. I'll bring you next month though. Hey, Joanne, fuck you. Yeah, it was very funny. We laughed and laughed and laughed.
40:26Vogue Williams:Can you hear my kids killing each other out there?
40:28Joanne McNally:Thanks for listening. Like and subscribe. Bye everybody. We'll see you next week for the bonus.
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