Pig Brain, Bob Dylan & Harry Redknapp's Boots

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0:31Vogue Williams:This is a Global Player original podcast.

0:45Vogue Williams:Hello and welcome to My Therapist Goes With Me with me, Vogue Williams, and she, Joanne McNally. She's home.

1:01Well, well, well. Well, well, Wellington. The royal adjacent jungle customer, is how I'm describing it. You're not the queen, but you did very fucking well. You're royal adjacent. Once again, Vogue Williams. Well, I mean... I'm not finished yet. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Has brought great shame to the... No, I'm joking. And to my family and friends. And we are humiliated, mortified, disappointed, appalled. I've been in crisis PR for 48 hours trying to figure out how to handle this situation. I'm only messing. Vogue, you fucking smashed it. Well done. And can I just say, on behalf of all of us, your abs were the main event.

1:50Vogue Williams:Thank you very much. You're welcome. And winning 11 stars in the agility. Sorry, let's not forget the 12 stars I won in my first trial. Sorry, was that not the agility course? no that was the snakes sorry I was like she's really leaning into her Crufts era with the agility course I was like she is I've never seen anything like it my ribs my ribs everything my face oh my god where do we even start now I'd like to say for the interest of our listeners I've already had a private conversation with folk where I got some intimate details about the jungle that we can't publicly say I think I can go I think I can go a bit further than I did with the press.

2:32Vogue Williams:There's nobody here monitoring me. There's no one listening to us. Just remember that. When I first came into the jungle, heavily monitored. Yes. Couple of press people, couple of press people around me. Don't say this, don't say that. Well, that's out the window. We are uncensored. Our favourite piece, our favourite way to be. Like, okay. Is there anything you would like to start out by saying or do you want me to just So I went Dig in with questions I went in I went in late Which probably made it A little bit harder And then when I watched Some of the footage back I was like Oh my god They were a bit annoyed That we'd come in But there's always A couple of late comers And it wasn't my choice To go in late They just kind of chose me And I was thrilled At the time Because obviously I got more time with the kids And I was delighted And I still am delighted Because it just meant I was away for less time Like I was in there I think I left on day 13 and although I was ready to leave obviously I would have stayed longer but Joanne you know what I'm like I was myself in there and the messiness just when I saw the rats when we were told there were rats in camp and I was like please please can we wash the stuff but were the rats put in there on purpose or are they just organically living their lives in there Joanne I was in a jungle rats lived there there were rats there were possums we found a snake that they had to get rid of and they don't let you near them because a lot of them are venomous there was this massive iguana like I'd never seen it so big it was like a metre and a half long climbing up trees and stuff so it was full full jungle like I think I don't think I thought it would be as hard as it was because people are like compared to Bear Grylls and I'm like I think it was harder because Bear Grylls first of all I had no family It was just me So I was like As much as I missed Everyone else at home I didn't miss them As much as I missed them This time round Sorry I know what you mean You had no husband and kids At the time Yeah got it Yeah yeah yeah yeah And I just Amber and Sandra Will be delighted to hear Fuck Amber and Sandra You had absolutely no family When you did I went in an orphan Yeah an orphan child I was an orphan Nobody gave a shit I had no one on the outside Yeah No one on the outside

5:00Vogue Williams:But this I was like It's hard So you land in Australia And I got picked up by somebody I swear I never Well when I say I was looked after I mean I could say I did it for the flights alone To be honest with you But they got me Ground transportation So like you know when you see those people In the buggies and I'm like How do they get those buggies and I thought it was for people who like couldn't get from gate to gate there I am Lady Muck sitting in one of the boogies just flying back are they not were you sitting now I'm always interested to know because I always make eye contact with the people who are on the back of the boogies facing out towards us and they always look a little bit embarrassed did you make eye contact on the way or did you keep your eyes kept the glasses on I had to keep the eyes down I had to keep the eyes down very rock and roll at least you were going at full speed I've seen them kind of creeping along and you're like dude you could have walked it in Dubai airport you get knocked over by a buggy it seems to be your own fault and they just they stop for no one so landed in Brisbane at like 10 o 'clock at night and I got collected and then they take your phone off you and I well didn't bring listen there's many things I've learned in the jungle one of them is I need to stop being such a geek and I need to stop following rules so closely because rules are for losers that's what the rules are for didn't Gillian McKeith mule a load of turmeric in when she went in.

6:25Do you remember she made special knickers for herself and stitched a load of salt, pepper, turmeric, cinnamon loads of spices and all

6:35Vogue Williams:in her crotch. To have a couple of boxes of Maldron salt. My knickers are probably bigger than hers as well so I would have put a couple of boxes in there. I miss salt. But you get in the car they take your phone away. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Reality TV going on like you're going into witness protection is one of the weirdest things about the whole thing. I think a lot of it is quite, like it's mentally tough and it's physically tough because mentally you're, you never know what time it is. You never know where you're going because you're always covered up. So your head's covered when you leave the camp at all.

7:11It's so weird. It's like Guantanamo Bay. Like it's supposed to be just a bit of crack. why do they take themselves so seriously it actually but it kind of adds to it because

7:25Vogue Williams:it makes it that little bit harder because but then again you're kind of like like i just assumed that it would it would i don't know i should have spoken to more people before i went in but anyway you go in but you're eating so little and if i see a bean or a bit of rice again i'll pass away and die. Does this mean the Heinz collab is done and dusted? Well Heinz have been on already they're like we're very sad we're very sad to hear you said you wouldn't eat beans anymore can we send you a package? I was thinking yeah they need to send some apology beans like it's not their fault you were waterboarded with beans all day and night in the jungle and they weren't the Heinz very well very diplomatic there Vogue you were like if they were Heinz I could have eaten them all day.

8:11Hashtag Adam.

8:12Vogue Williams:If they were Heinz, I would have been absolutely delighted with myself. So I have a question. I don't interrupt your flow, but I do need to ask you before you move on. I'd rather you ask me questions because I'm going to forget stuff. Fine. So you said to me that when you landed in Australia, that you still had to keep up the facade, that you were just there for personal or business reasons, that it was nothing to do with Celebrity Jungle and that if you were stopped, you had to say you'd gotten a role in Home and Away. I was either going to say I got a roll in Home and Away or I'm going to swim at sharks or something like that.

8:42Yeah, so you weren't asked that?

8:44Vogue Williams:No, because there was no PAPS at the airport when I landed because I don't think that they knew when we were landing. Got us. So we just went straight to the hotel and then we had three days in the hotel but jeez, the jet lag when you get here. And that I think caused me problems when I went in. So I went in and I couldn't sleep. So the first night I think I slept for like two hours. And you're on all day. now in front of the side you're sleeping so your bed situation is just like just this like you saw the beds they're not great but I actually slept really well towards the end but the first night I went in I only got like a couple of hours sleep the next night I was slightly better but not really and then we went out in a night trial the one where I got all the cockroaches and crickets poured on me cockroaches smell so bad I cannot describe the smell I had a little routine where I would do my show and then I would come home in the evening go back to my hotel order loads of room service and then put on Celeb and watch you gargle pig vagina juice and the gagging Vogue the gagging this is what I've realised about this year's version of The Jungle I was like why does it look so hard this year now obviously I had skin in the game you being the skin so I was obviously watching it through different eyes but then I did a little bit of googling and I don't know if this is true or false this is my opinion I think they've cut the budget on The Jungle and I think they've stopped making that.

10:07Yeah, yeah. Now, I don't mean you guys. I don't mean on the talent. That's not what I mean. I mean, that would be an incredibly cruel way to start this piece. No, but they've cut the budget and they've stopped making those really intricate underground. Remember they used to have all these underground layers and they'd stick you through pipes and all because I'd say they cost a lot of money to make and that's why there was so much of the overground drinking rotten shit. I think it's cheaper to do that. And I think that's why you're all gagging so much.

10:40Vogue Williams:Why they did the drinking one is because they haven't done a live trial in three years. And to try and set up a live trial for everybody to do together, they had to do something that'd be quick. Oh. I see. Okay, I see. What were those liquids? What were they really, I wonder? Because they looked... Everyone, like, I can't... I have nightmares of you and Kelly Brooke gagging in my face. It was gross. Mine. was fermented fish and fish eyes. Shut the fuck up. And actually, I swear to God, and then when I started puking, I was like, Jesus Christ, I can taste it again. And I was like, oh! And then, all day long, when I burped, it was just fish.

11:17Vogue Williams:I was like, oh my God. Disgusting.

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12:01Vogue Williams:I had to leave a shop today because I went shopping and I was like, I swear to God, I think I smell cockroaches. And I had to leave because it's haunting me. The pig brain that I had to eat. Jack said to me, because he really does know everything about everything in the jungle. He was like, that's about 700 calories. And I was like, great. I was like, maybe I won't be hungry. There's no way it was real pig's brain. It was real pig's brain. It was a real brain. Folk I just hope You get a chat show The size of Ricky Lake After this Because my god You fucking deserve it I don't know I'm married Because I don't know If I'd get a husband After it to be honest No Well I don't know The gagging Men probably find that Quite hot There's a lot of photos Of you gagging On the internet now I'd say there's men Happily having a gal With themselves Watching you gag Oh god Sorry I have questions Okay H and Shona Yes Real Or Or Fromance I, you see, I'm trying to be very politically correct in talking about them because I do think that they got on very well but I don't know if it's anything romantic because I don't know if either of them are in that situation to get into anything romantic but What are you suggesting?

13:16Vogue Williams:What are you suggesting, Vogue? I'm not suggesting anything I'm not suggesting anything Romance I'm sure that they will talk about it when they come out but I don't think that there was nothing romantic about them in there. Will I tell you a couple of things that people don't know? Yeah. Tell us some stuff people don't know. Give us the inside scoop. So you have to wash your own clothes. There's like this bath and two people have to sit on a bike and this water flows into the bath. So two people sit on a bike and cycle while somebody else gets the water flowing. So we stopped doing that quite early on.

13:51Vogue Williams:So we were just trying to wash our shit in the shower and you just use washing up soap because you get like washing up soap you get shampoo and conditioner but really bad ones because it has to be like because it's going back into the water system there it has to be really natural natural and then you get your little our worst nightmare natural products can I get something that works please my hair is there was a couple of times I went up so you go up and you ask for it and I'm like any chance could I get some leave-in conditioner a bit of carostase guys if you don't no No. Would you have a nail file?

14:28No. Do you know what actually, someone actually messaged me saying, Vogue's biting her nails in there a lot, is she okay? And I was like, sadly I actually can't communicate with her, but.

14:38Vogue Williams:Well, those people were like, she looks sad. But the thing about it is, you're filmed all day long. There are so many cameras in the camp. And like, I don't walk around smiling all day long, every day, but I was generally quite happy in there. I did have one incident because you know I'm such a like I'm just crazy about my sleep and if I don't sleep I get anxious and that's why I worry so much about my sleep so I didn't sleep that night then we went out and did the trial another night with the cockroaches and then I was like right I'm not going to sleep now tonight I'm not going to sleep and I started having an absolute meltdown like just lying there being like please sleep, please sleep and I had to go up to the BT so it's the Telegraph where you go up and do all the chats and I was like I started like having a panic attack and I was like please and I was like don't show this because everyone will see how mental I am like having a complete like complete I couldn't control it like I just went into full panic mode and they're actually so nice when that happens because they're like you're okay it's fine don't worry like and they're trying to like just talk you through it and stuff like that and then the next day I was like I need to talk to Sandra who is the psych oh so she because i was so panicked that night because i just my anxiety just then hit like 90 and i was like i just need to like i have to get rid of this this is really bad blah blah blah went and spoke to her and then i and she just completely i was like do you do therapy in london because she was so good and she just completely like reset me and then like for that whole day i was like this i'm actually totally fine now i don't know what she did but just the way she kind of talked me through loads of stuff and and like i was only talking to her for about half an hour and i just was like okay reset panic stations over and i didn't really have really bad anxiety i like i like that they have a duty of care now on reality tv there was a time where you would just be left flipping and flopping and nothing and no one would have given a shit like do you remember back do you remember like when they didn't there was no kind of mental health help on these shows.

16:40I watched Kinga shove a wine bottle up herself in Big Brother. And no one stepped in at any point and went Kinga. I was only thinking about that like two weeks ago. I swear to God. Are you sure this is your best foot forward? No one said a thing.

16:57Vogue Williams:Sorry, not only did they not say anything, they aired it. Of course they aired it. Now I'd like to think if you'd kind of started behaving that way, that by the time you got up to the top of the label, they would have been like, Well, we're going to interrupt here and say... Put the toothbrush down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Put the toothpaste down, please. No, it had to be something larger and more absurd. Well, we had this little toothbrush container as well, so that probably could have worked. But there are rules in the jungle. One of the rules would be you're not allowed to paw away at yourself. Like, you can't just be under your covers, like, having a guy.

17:31I couldn't think of anything worse. Like, why would you? Like, what are you going in there for, like, four days? Like, get your shit together. like if I if you I no come on now we can all contain ourselves unless you're aroused by the fucking fowl and the snakes you'd be grand and even the fact that actually no I've completely changed my mind you should be entitled to do that if you want to relax how can I help you sleep without having a pack of dog I mean

17:56Vogue Williams:just sitting there and everyone around me like do you think that's fair and everyone else when you're having a little go yourself in the jungle but you're in Love Island they're riding each other in the beds well they don't like that in the jungle there's no riding in the jungle okay Joanne so that's why I said when they said would Joanne do it I said no she wouldn't because she likes riding in the jungle I do indeed I'm an outdoor gal I was in the skates for years I didn't ride indoors for the first 10 years of my sexual life and so is your right and as is my right yeah I was like unless I'm touching grass it's not happening pal I need to feel granted well I did I did a press call because I was well I was I added an arena while you were while you were relaxing I don't know while you were relaxing in the jungle Vogue oh yeah really relaxing yeah okay you added an arena I did a press call for the day in the three arena and I was speaking to the evokes and the goss and the herd buddies and stuff and you know these rooms you go in and you're kind of doing like back to back interviews and it started and there was obviously a lot of chat about you because you were in the jungle at the time and the start the first interview they were asking me would I do it and I said no but by the time I got to the end of the table I was like I'd love to do it I've changed my mind completely because I talked myself into doing it but then the more I watched of you I said do you know what I actually don't think I would even though I do think of myself as an ex-scout I don't think I would Yeah when I was in there I said Joanne this isn't for Joanne I did think that on numerous occasions I was like she just wouldn't like this you like your comforts a lot and I like my comforts a lot but you miss so many things in there and the food is like Like it doesn't taste like anything.

19:36Vogue Williams:So even when you get one of those meals, like, I don't know, kangaroo arse, like it's just, you kind of wish it would just taste like something, just anything. But it's all just like we got cabbage once and we were like, oh my God, that actually tastes like something. It was such a treat. Anyone else, was anyone in there not getting on? Was there anything scrapping? Now I didn't see any scrapping, but I did hear some whispers amongst amongst I can't say who I'm not saying who but there were a couple of people but it was only like it's little words that would seem like big words in there do you know what I mean like oh well he told me not to do that or she was like this to me and like there was only a couple of a couple of things like that but like it never was anything that would upset the camp I think everybody was just like kind of really cool and even the thing with the cup with me and Ginge like I think that that was that wasn't like as big as it was I don't think on TV it was just like come on just like do the washing up that's your chore you have to do that and I was a chore whore so I did all the chores because I actually really enjoyed doing them but I'm a neat freak and you can't really be a neat freak in the jungle also you're trying to kill time in there which you know what I mean yeah

20:53remember when I said I put on an arena

20:55Vogue Williams:yeah yeah December 12th 2026 that's also very important it is not 2025 it is 2026 imagine all the people that are just going to show up in 2025 they're going to show up it doesn't matter it doesn't matter what you say here I'm going to be there on December 6th 2025 it's December 12th 12th well I don't know who's on well I just set up camp just set up camp I think I said I think it was I thought it was your man Dylan what's his face what's your man's name Bob Dylan he's doing the rounds he's on the he's on the Bob Dylan's dead

21:33Hold on, let's fact check this immediately Who the fuck? Bob Dylan is dead

21:39Vogue Williams:Like ages ago he died He's still alive He's alive

21:49You're like me with David Attenborough I keep thinking David Attenborough is passing away Well why does he have a movie about him?

21:55Vogue Williams:I thought that was because he was dead Did you think he was dead? Dylan or Villain Dylan Oh my god No he's still alive Why does everyone think he's dead Hold on a second now Louisa just goes behind me Bob Marley's dead We know that Or is he It's Bob It's Bob Dylan Bob Dylan has been on tour Behind me For the last three months Oh my god Yeah and he is And he's So he was on the He was on in the I &A Sea In Killarney After the night after I was on And apparently He doesn't like Come into the house Like he doesn't You know the way we'd be like backstage in the green room in the dressing room milling around blah blah blah doing sound checks He does nothing He walks from his tour bus in the side entrance onto the stage does his bits and bobs back onto the bus and he's gone Mad is it?

22:42Vogue Williams:I need to just reset for a second because that is really shocking We're sorry to break the news to you but Bob Dylan is alive I hope you're okay Joanne dead years not just recently dead dead alone sorry for your gain as opposed to sorry for your loss well I'm looking forward to the gig I told he was due December 12th this year and I was like well if he rings in sick I'll go in and play to his audience which I'm sure they would be absolutely delighted but I don't know who's in on the 12th but someone is anyway I'm next year 2026 oh my god I must go and see him now I have to go and see him wait until Neil Neil's a big fan I'd be delighted to hear his boobs because he's been resuscitated I don't know Neil he's not dead

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24:23Do you get to bring them home like your teeth after you get them removed?

24:25Vogue Williams:they did give me three stars for the kids so I could give them one star each which I thought was very kind they're nice they're sound we had it was the same with Taskmaster we kept some of the tasks do you know like for you know you gotta you gotta take a little memento I took a few little jungle like clothes bits as well just to keep just a couple of things yeah they can hardly strip you of your outfit the second you get out no like they gave it to me but like I don't wanna take I never wanna see the boots again so I'm not taking them fair enough and they're like I got them and they're like two sizes too big and they were like embarrassingly large.

24:57Vogue Williams:I think they used to belong to Harry Reddnop. Excuse me.