Sleeves, Spoilers & Saints

12 Sep 2025 · 40 min · 19 chapters

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In short

The episode is a chatty, comedic catch-up covering: TV renovation “reveal” tears and “revenge renovation” ideas; taste tropes like “live laugh love,” “wine o’clock,” and American spelling/phrases (“herbs” without the H; “I could care less”); tattoo/“sleeve” commitment; smoking/vaping judgments; and travel mishaps while recording in Barcelona (airport/tech problems, late-night hunger, hotel budget regrets, and a detour to a five-star W hotel). They also discuss two major “homework”/news topics: the Catfish documentary “high school catfish” case and a new millennial saint, Carlo Acutis (Italian teen gamer who died of leukemia at 15; exhumed body displayed; claimed miracles).

Guests

none—this is just the hosts, Joanne and Vogue (no guest interviewees). Key claims/examples: the Catfish troll was the mother; she allegedly sent violent/sexual messages and served prison time; the sainting is framed as the Catholic Church trying to attract millennials.

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Chapters

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Renovation Rescue and Brighton

0:15 to 1:06

Discussion about filming a show in Brighton and the local area.

“Hello, welcome back to My Therapist Ghosted Me.”

Reveals and Reactions on Home Shows

1:06 to 2:06

Exploration of emotional reactions during home renovation reveals.

“the renovation rescue, have you watched any of the old clips where the people, when their rooms are revealed to them, start crying?”

Stereotypes in Home Decor

2:06 to 2:46

Discussion on the stereotypes of home decor and trendy phrases.

“It was like, it was two couples that were friends and they had swapped houses to do.”

Language and Terminology

2:46 to 3:50

Fun discussion about language, pronunciation, and cultural differences.

“Live laugh and love Three you know Three L's Three big things But then it became Kind of like a stereotypical Because they were selling them Everywhere They're like the Ramones t-shirt of the walls.”

Tattoo Traditions and Choices

3:50 to 4:47

Debate on tattooing traditions and the idea of getting a sleeve.

“I do believe Patricia Trisha, Pat McNally is an original almond mum.”

Smoking and Cultural Perceptions

4:47 to 5:26

Conversation about smoking styles and perceptions in different cultures.

The Role of Drugs and Healthcare

5:26 to 6:42

A humorous take on drug accessibility and the evolving role of drug dealers.

“His Insta is where he kind of takes words and he talks about their kind of original form.”

Travel Adventures and Stories

6:42 to 14:00

Sharing travel experiences from Edinburgh to Barcelona and events during shows.

Barcelona Arrival and Show Mishaps

14:00 to 16:41

The hosts share their chaotic travel experiences and mishaps upon arriving in Barcelona.

“I'm just sitting on a bike and I'm recording.”

Cultural Insights on Spanish Dining Habits

16:41 to 19:24

Discussion about the late dining culture in Spain and its historical background.

“so I came in starving now I mean like you know ravished is that the word?”
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Late Night Hotel Decisions

19:24 to 21:31

The hosts discuss their late-night decisions regarding hotels and room service.

Budgeting and Travel Regrets

21:31 to 23:24

A humorous take on budgeting and the regrets of travel spending.

“I'm sorry now because it's a fucking I don't know it's certainly not worth what they're looking to write did you get that?”

Audience Interaction and Misunderstandings

23:24 to 26:08

Hosts share funny audience interactions and the confusion about their identities.

“If you can't treat yourself, who can you treat?”

Catfish Documentary Discussion

26:08 to 28:01

The hosts discuss their thoughts on the Catfish documentary and its shocking revelations.

“and we're spoilers okay so we're aware we're spoilers so we're we've warned this is a big spoiler alert nino nino nino clax and clax and emergency emergency I haven't watched it.”

Trolling and Jealousy: A Mother's Obsession

28:01 to 29:39

Exploring the bizarre case of a mother who trolled her daughter and her boyfriend, and the psychological implications behind it.

“no the daughters sorry I think that the mother did fancy the daughter's boyfriend because when you think of all the explicit messages and why she would be saying all those things to her daughter.”

The Daughter's Reaction

29:40 to 31:02

Discussing the daughter's calm demeanor during the shocking revelations about her mother’s actions.

“If you haven't watched it, you have to watch it.”

Societal Reflections on Jealousy

31:03 to 32:46

Examining the societal conversations around mothers being jealous of their daughters and its psychological roots.

“And she didn't have huge reactions to anything throughout the documentary at all, really.”

The New Millennial Saint

32:47 to 36:40

Introducing the story of Carlos Acutis, the first millennial saint, and discussing the contemporary relevance of sainthood.

“and her boyfriend was kind of like they were like a cool couple you know they were kind of like the cool hot couple of the school and that the mother was actually jealous of her.”

The Church's Attempt to Stay Relevant

36:41 to 39:10

Analyzing the Catholic Church's efforts to attract younger generations through modern narratives and figures.

“Apparently the young children, the youngsters are getting back into Jesus.”
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Transcript

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0:01Vogue Williams:This is a Global Player original podcast.

0:15Joanne McNally:Hello, welcome back to My Therapist Ghosted Me. It's us again.

0:26Vogue Williams:Oh, hello Joanne.

0:27Joanne McNally:Where are you?

0:29Vogue Williams:Where are you? Where are you? First. Okay, just outside of Brighton. It is absolutely gorgeous. I'm filming a show, Renovation Rescue. We're doing a reveal day.

0:41Joanne McNally:Oh, of course. Yes, yes, yes.

0:42Vogue Williams:And it is absolutely, you want to see this place. They have this beach. Now, there are stones on the beach, which I'm not particularly a fan of. But clear water, these massive houses. Obviously, I then had to Google how much they cost. You could probably get a studio flat in London for one of them. It's so nice. It's such a nice village-y feel and like an hour from London. So I'm moving you now.

1:04Joanne McNally:Have you had, now that you're doing the renovation rescue, have you watched any of the old clips where the people, when their rooms are revealed to them, start crying? Oh, crying of happiness? No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1:19Vogue Williams:Oh, no. You're talking about changing rooms when Lawrence, Lubell and Bowen went into anyone's house and did anything. They always cried. It wasn't all Lawrence's fault. sometimes it was the other ones.

1:32Joanne McNally:There's old clips, I just remember watching them ages ago, where couples, because you know the way you're always trying to figure out how much of it is staged and how much isn't, and have they really never seen the rooms before? There's old American ones and English ones where they bring them in and they kind of reveal them and the wife starts crying and the husband's like, you're going to have to fix it all, you're going to have to put everything back. Because sometimes they do kind of, the renovations they do, do feel like they're for the TV audience rather than the people in the homes. Do you get me?

2:02Vogue Williams:I mean, it's a, yeah, it's a very niche kind of thing that they do to someone. Did you ever see that one? It was like, it was two couples that were friends and they had swapped houses to do. And like with the couple who went in and like were really upset, we're like, why do you not like us? Like, have we done something wrong to you? Why did you do this to us? Revenge renovation.

2:21Joanne McNally:That'd be a great TV show, wouldn't it?

2:24Vogue Williams:Yes There'd be a lot of Live laugh love signs Going around the place But I know people still love them

2:28Joanne McNally:But I just don't love them No well I mean They're kind of a very Very obvious They're like They just became That stereotypical trope Of having no taste at all Really didn't they

2:38Vogue Williams:Yeah

2:39Joanne McNally:No thanks to anyone

2:40Vogue Williams:Who still has one

2:41Joanne McNally:Is that terrible to say it Because you know

2:42Vogue Williams:It's a good way to live your life

2:43Joanne McNally:Yeah it is It's a good mantra To live by Live laugh and love Three you know Three L's Three big things But then it became Kind of like a stereotypical Because they were selling them Everywhere They're like the Ramones t-shirt of the walls. Yes, I totally agree with you. I think I had a Ramones t-shirt. And the other one that's very kind of typical in a woman's kitchen is wine o 'clock. Oh, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mine starts. I'm actually not ending up with them. Why am I always trying to make out of an alcoholic? Actually, keep this in, Jo. Keep this in. I'm not.

3:17Vogue Williams:Okay, we're editing the edit now. We're editing the edit.

3:20Joanne McNally:Yeah, we're editing as we can. Keep it in. I always you know when you just lean on all the the old gags and it's like the old gags are Vogue's really rich and out of touch and I'm an absolute piss head lush and it's actually not true not true it's not true Vogue's in touch and hasn't a pot to piss in and I've been sober for three years that's the truth of it that's what we're like they're all lies as well okay we don't know where the lies begin around now our kitchen was very much a kitchen of the 80s I do believe Patricia Trisha, Pat McNally is an original almond mum. And so on our fridge was almond mum.

4:00Joanne McNally:Almond. Almond. Did we figure this out? Yeah, yeah, it's almond.

4:07Vogue Williams:It's personal taste. The Americans do it differently. It's personal taste. Javon likes to eat tomatoes and basil, and she has her almonds in her coffee.

4:17Joanne McNally:And herbs. Herbs. Herbs. Is there a reason the Americans Won't acknowledge the H in herbs It's right there Do you know as well American saying It wrecks my head I could care less It's I couldn't I couldn't care less Why I could care less Makes no Fucking sense

4:34Vogue Williams:If you could care less Then it means That there's an amount of care

4:38Joanne McNally:Exactly I could care less Means you're measuring the care And I couldn't care less Is the point of the thing To say I don't measure the care There's no care here at all Lots of love To the American citizenship Yeah live laugh Loved the Americans And their herbs

4:50Vogue Williams:But doesn't that depend on the argument Really how much you Because sometimes you could care a little bit But sometimes you really couldn't care less

4:59Joanne McNally:Well they're using it They're using it as if they couldn't care I couldn't care any less There's no less care to give But they say I could care less Speaking of Now that we're turning this into a tiny little Tesaurus session Yes You know that super super posh guy Who his name has escaped me Spencer Matthews

5:21boom that's the one okay who come on how's he these days

5:27Joanne McNally:still running around his little legs still running around in his little shorts and no top yeah yep his little legs planting thirst traps all around bad as he park i see him okay go on i'll tell you something after do you know the really really posh guy i've met him actually i met him once and i was like do you really sound like that do you speak like that and he does a lot of kind of language. His Insta is where he kind of takes words and he talks about their kind of original form. Oh yeah, Tom Reed Wilson. Tom Reed Wilson. You know that he has his little... He has his little... The gi bag. Blackboard.

5:59Joanne McNally:Yeah, he did gi bag.

6:02Vogue Williams:A posh person trying to explain what a gi bag is.

6:06Joanne McNally:It was so sweet.

6:08Vogue Williams:How many times were you sent it?

6:11Joanne McNally:Oh, plenty of times, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I watched it three times. I said good Tom that's I thought it was very good for Irish and English relations actually

6:19Vogue Williams:We'll have press next so we can explain what the press is And Joanne why don't you send in your favourite words C-U-N-T and see how he describes that I'd love to hear him say that in his accent Oh yeah

6:30Joanne McNally:I've heard him say it Have you? I've never heard him say that Off camera he sounds like a London geezer

6:35Vogue Williams:He does not I bumped into him on the street and he's so like he's so pleasant

6:42Joanne McNally:How's it going? How are you? that's what he sounds like off camera yeah live laugh love yeah live laugh love you dope sorry firstly do you like my out Jen I look like I'm working in a call centre with the striped shirt and the headphones

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6:56Vogue Williams:well you kind of look like you'd kick the shit out of me to be honest with you when you didn't have the headphones on I was like she looks like she's about to batter me in her Fred Perry it's the Fred Perry yeah yeah yeah yeah you look great but why do you look like that what have you done nothing I've done anything did you go get your makeup done

7:09Joanne McNally:I'm just really kind you look like the referee in Gladiators You will go on my first whistle I'm wearing a striped Fred Perry t-shirt I'm zooming in from Barcelona Where I am doing a show Has anyone sprayed you with a water gun? No I look like a local Yeah I'm like bonjour girls So they all know that I'm just Hola Hola Yeah no no no There's none of that There's a lot of signs telling everyone to shut the fuck up They're saying it a nice way Like please respect the local blah blah blah but I guess now with the dark hair and all I'm just like I'm just like a Barcelona chick two things one Barcelona it's so cool every time I come here every time I leave I forget how cool it is I'm staying I obviously don't know where I am I'm just in Barcelona Barcelona road Barcelona but it's I'm beside a I did go out for a little explorer earlier I'm beside a film school so there's loads like these really cool film students these gorgeous girls and some sort of fashion something around and they're even smoking and all they just look so effortlessly cool covered in tattoos and you know the way I have this this reoccurring horn to get a giant tramp stamp of a dragon or a snake up my neck

8:24Vogue Williams:I think if you're going to commit to it you have to commit to like a full like you need to get a sleeve you can't just get one singular tattoo you're going to have to commit and spend hours in somewhere which I can imagine you doing no no no no

8:35Joanne McNally:you can't get a sleeve you have to build up to a sleeve you can't just get a sleeve you know what I mean that's you can't You're supposed to build them up You know That's like the traditional way Well this isn't meaning to sound bad

8:47Vogue Williams:But like we don't have time for that Like people who start getting People who start getting tattoos When they're 20 They build up to a sleeve You've just got to get the fucking sleeve I'm 42 I'm not 87 I've got time on my side You're not allowed to have You're going to then start hiding it When you're like 60 Because you'll be fed up with a sleeve So you've only got a real good 18 years with a sleeve I wouldn't waste time building up That's all I'm saying

9:11Joanne McNally:I'm telling you now Like it's happening I want to get A barbed wire heart On my ass chief And I'm sorry Oh I'm sorry if that upsets you Not to pick apart Everything that you said But it obviously

9:25Vogue Williams:Is worth saying Smoking is definitely Not cool And we mustn't do it Very bad Who's smoking?

9:30Joanne McNally:Oh the Barcelona chicks

9:31Vogue Williams:The Barcelona ones

9:32Joanne McNally:Who said it was cool You can say Joe Joe Firstly we're not The Tally Tubbies Okay this is an adult podcast Okay Secondly Secondly, I correct you there. When I do it, it's not cool. You'd want to see these chicks standing outside the film scale. It's very fucking cool. This is like Quentin Tarantino vibes. They are like dressed to impress. They're just, it's all rollies and all. And they're like rolling them properly. Whereas when I roll them, it all kind of falls apart.

10:00Vogue Williams:I have a real thing about, I have a real thing. Does it, Jo? Show me the facts. I have a real thing about Rowley's I can't I used to go out with a guy who used to smoke Rowley's and he would leave like it was he was like the dirtiest smoker there'd be all the white tips all over the place there'd be tobacco everywhere like I mean on every floor and just like that put me off Rowley's

10:26Joanne McNally:Do you want to hear something really embarrassing in relation to Rowley's?

10:29Vogue Williams:Yeah When I

10:30Joanne McNally:remember when I well you don't remember because we weren't friends at the time but when I was younger I'm saying remember I told you remember I had my stint in France and I came back wearing a floor length leather coat listening to French rap and all. And I was also came back smoking. I went smoking Jean Pébleu. I came back smoking Rolies because that was what the Parisian or the French kids were doing. But I couldn't. I had to bring a machine.

10:55Vogue Williams:A Roli machine? Yeah. Okay, that's not fucking cool.

11:00Joanne McNally:I mean, talk about discrediting all the street cred that smoking Rolies has when I had to bring out this like machine. Did you not just pre-roll them at home so no one saw you? It was like, do you know those things that you roll, you see them cooking pasta, they kind of like spin it at one end and the thing kind of rolls off. I had this little, what would you call it, like an instrument to use. It was like a wazoo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know, yeah, I should have kind of rolled them at home, but yeah, I mean, it was embarrassing. Thres embarrassment. It's French, guys. Thres, you obviously learned a lot of French.

11:34Joanne McNally:Thres embarrassment.

11:42Vogue Williams:I just don't want you to think I'm not looking at you but my phone battery's about to run out and I'm tethering off it

11:47Joanne McNally:Shavok, I'm a megalomaniac I'm only looking at myself I forgot you were on the call to be honest

11:59Vogue Williams:I prefer if someone's smoking a real cigarette because the rollies have me triggered from your man I think as someone who used to smoke vapes I think when you smoke vapes I think vapes aren't cool I think you look a bit embarrassing Especially those ones that are like the size of your head And you're like And then you like This plume of smoke comes out of your face And then it goes into everyone else's face Not into them And I can say that because I used to smoke vapes

12:24Joanne McNally:Yeah yeah yeah Now the ones that were there They're like basically pulling on a car engine You're like that's a bit much new I know Do you know what?

12:31Vogue Williams:I fell in love at London a little bit last night Will I tell you why? Sunday evening it's about 9 o 'clock and I started feeling a bit sick I'm not going to tell you what was wrong with me because I don't want anyone to write about it it's not pregnancy but anyway I was feeling a bit sick and it was one of those sicknesses that you're like actually do you know what I really need to get this I won't be able to sleep unless I get something for this and you need to get a prescription for it and so I was like this is going to sound terrible it wasn't anything bad by the way it's monday now and it's already gone but i was like oh my god sunday night no doctor first of all no chemist open what the hell am i gonna do i was like i'm living in london thank god 24 hour doctor online got on to the doctor she sent me a prescription then i found this random place that delivers prescriptions to you it took two hours it didn't get to me till midnight but between the areas of like my doctor's point when it was at 9.45 by midnight I had a prescription on a Sunday night and I just thought this is why I live here but it wasn't drug dealer drugs because actually on this chemist website they said that we do not give out benzos and all those kind of things because I'd say there'd be a few people thinking on a Sunday night I might get a few benzos in, who wants a zanny

13:47Joanne McNally:also drug dealers are not what they used to be, they usually knock off about 9 or 10

13:52Vogue Williams:particularly on a Sunday they want their spare time too They want their spare time too They deserve time off Yeah they're like I've got to put the kids down Do you know what I mean I've got to count my cash I've got to count my cash From Saturday night It was a very heavy night

14:09Joanne McNally:They work very few hours I'm out loud in the drug dealers I'm in Barcelona I don't think you're allowed To do the Lisb Are you Barcelona

14:19Vogue Williams:You always do it I know Sorry Sorry Barcelona

14:24Joanne McNally:It is Sorry sorry the damage has been done anyway I'm here I'm doing a show etc but I got in very very late the flight I flew from Edinburgh to here by the way oh my god someone nearly fell off the top of the balcony in the show Edinburgh Playhouse no in King's yeah in King's theatre yeah I heard this kerfuffle when I was on I was like and I was like what's going on when someone tell me after stop she there's like

14:52Vogue Williams:are you like on the road yeah I'm just I'm actually recording from a motorbike. I'm just sitting on a bike and I'm recording.

14:59Joanne McNally:It's like you're inside one of those burger vans in Clapham Common, just sitting on a bench at the lake. That was a fun... That sounds like you were on a motorbike. It was so loud.

15:08Vogue Williams:It's a good opportunity to acknowledge that recording conditions for today are what I would describe as suboptimal. We have had an absolute shitemare today.

15:19Joanne McNally:I left my equipment at the airport. Folks seems to be recording on a main road. My hotel has no wifi Blah blah blah blah Anyway look We live to find another day

15:28Vogue Williams:We're fine Do you know what

15:30Joanne McNally:I am in such a good mood today And I've no idea why Because I've no reason to be

15:35Vogue Williams:I'm surprised that you are Because you had an absolute You had the biggest nightmare this morning To be able to climb yourself out of that bullshit I know

15:43Joanne McNally:I don't know It's like all my meds have kicked in all at once I don't know what's going on It's Barcelona So got in late oh yeah sorry your one nearly fell off the balcony she didn't fine but I'm thinking about maybe putting netting underneath the balconies from now on so if they do fall off they kind of like ping back up like a circus like a trapeze artist anyway on to Barcelona it's very late now Spain Barcelona is Barcelona but Spain Spain Barcelona yeah notoriously late diners yeah oh they like a 1am dinner and stuff they love a 1am dinner do you know I actually googled it to find out why they eat so late because you think it's because they're so late back apparently now this is like you know this is very boring but kind of interesting apparently Franco changed the time zone in Spain to match Nazi Germany to be sound he was a bit of a Nazi sympathiser and he just they just never bothered changing it back so the Spaniards were just like alright fuck it okay we'll eat dinner at nine instead of eight that's where it originally came from but they're notoriously late diners so I came in starving now I mean like you know ravished is that the word?

16:48Joanne McNally:famished famished what the fuck is ravished? but looking ravishing

16:53Vogue Williams:pretty ravishing

16:53Joanne McNally:the song yeah I was yeah I was yeah I was ravishly famished right yeah I looked like shit as you always do when you get off a plane the sky does something to my quarters all levels or something I always look like I've got gout when I land anyway spinning along in the taxi and I was saying to your man I'm ravishly famished and I was like I better ring ahead to the hotel just make sure then I'm going to get right in the hotel and they were like kitchen's closed and I was like okay whatever okay but like it's Spain come on come on I'm expecting like 24 hour 24-7 access to Gambus Come on Prawns, pill pills All night, all day Like that's the deal It's Spain Yeah No, no, no Kitchen's closed I said okay Listen dude Like we have a situation here Because I'm I was like I eat a banana or anything No, kitchen's closed

17:38Vogue Williams:It's an unsleepable hunger

17:41Joanne McNally:It's an unsleepable hunger Vogue You speak from a woman Who knows what it feels To be ravished It's an unsleepable hunger

17:48Vogue Williams:I'm ravished Every four hours I become ravished to be honest

17:55Joanne McNally:it's non-stop ravishing here and I was like are you not even going to fucking are you not even going to fucking throw me a bit of an orange from the kitchen

18:04Vogue Williams:do you know what I mean where did you make it through the banana the last time you needed him back

18:08Joanne McNally:the racist the racist day crime that I suffered when I first arrived in London I'd say you'd accept that banana now he screamed top of the morning to you when I bashed into him when he bashed into me at the training station and I was like oh my god it was the my first victim I was victim of a racist anyway her mum was like no computer says fucking no so I was like obviously I'd had a couple of drinks on the plane so I was like I'm checking into a different hotel so I went to I went to went to another hotel lived my best fucking life checked into a different hotel ate room service until 5am thrilled with myself threw money at the problem now

18:45Vogue Williams:what did you get from the room service how good was it it was delicious

18:50Joanne McNally:now it wasn't it wasn't in a sober light of day it was it was it was not a commercially viable decision which is on my account and me are talking a lot about what's commercially viable

19:02Vogue Williams:you wouldn't have just gone you wouldn't you wouldn't have just gone to a takeaway

19:07Joanne McNally:you wouldn't have just gone to a takeaway we're doing a lot of work on commercially viable decisions so someone messaged me this today then he was like would you not have got Uber Eats I was like oh my god it never even occurred to me instead I just bought another hotel room like a fucking idiot I know yeah yeah yeah so I'm in the red now basically I'm losing my balls in Barcelona but hey who cares fuck it I've no kids

19:31Vogue Williams:she's not making a cent in Barcelona do you know what oh god not making a cent well sometimes it's worth it just for the travel experience when I used to do this travel show I didn't make a bloody penny because I used to go anywhere I went I'd buy myself an outfit and that was it that was my my fee was gone and I was like it doesn't even matter because I got to see Seattle who cares

19:52Joanne McNally:exactly that's the way I look at it as well I'm like you're getting paid to travel around it's an honour and a privilege but I'll tell you this the hotel I went to it's a swanky hotel it's a five star hotel and I actually stayed in one of the different one before and you know

20:07Vogue Williams:did you take yourself to the W she's out

20:11Joanne McNally:and you're there I did she took herself

20:14Vogue Williams:to the W for a fucking sandwich I did I did

20:19Joanne McNally:I did

20:21Vogue Williams:I recognise the view because I've seen it on people's stories

20:25Joanne McNally:do you know what I'd always wanted to see what it was like the one in Barcelona yeah look I did I did yeah I did you see the moment

20:32Vogue Williams:that she considered lying and saying

20:34Joanne McNally:I was like what are you talking about it's a travelage down at the pier

20:38Vogue Williams:as Joanne started

20:39Joanne McNally:treating herself again you love treating yourself I've no children as I said to my mother I've no children and she says you also have no pension Joanne

20:45Vogue Williams:but I say I've no children If I can't You're saving yourself I'll tell you I'll text you what those kids Cost me a year And you won't even give a shit You might book another night In the W Book another night

20:55Joanne McNally:It's like gas though Like so It's so funny The way the brain works Around saving And cost Cost and all that I was in Edinburgh airport On the floor Ripping all my Like suitcase apart To save myself Thirteen pounds Because my bag Was over The limit So I was pulling out Like runners and everything And like I boarded the plane with like you know like trousers and everything for my suitcase and then arrived in fucking Barcelona after a couple of drinks I was like take me to the W please

21:27Vogue Williams:I'm sorry hunger hunger turns you into a different person it turns you into not a great person you're not yourself you weren't in your right mind

21:35Joanne McNally:all rules are out the window all talk all accountancy chat gone out of my head everything I was like I need to be fed and yeah and I went and I went and do you know what I will say about the W? I'm sorry now because it's a fucking I don't know it's certainly not worth what they're looking to write did you get that?

21:58Vogue Williams:yeah understood it we won't be going there

22:02Joanne McNally:well no we won't be going there

22:04Vogue Williams:and you won't be getting any discounts on the W when they hear that hey? do you know what I mean? I'd just like to say to the W particularly the one in Ibiza I am that's Joanne's We're not a duo We're not a duo So like I'm out my own here Okay She doesn't even go here I'll go I'll go She doesn't even go here She's unappreciative People are going to think

22:26Joanne McNally:I'm a wanker now But I was so I was just I was hangry As they'd say And I couldn't believe Your man This hotel This hotel I'm now in The hotel where I belong Trying to starve me to death I went off I was treating myself The W Listen

22:39Vogue Williams:I'm my own screensaver I'm on a journey You dragged yourself back To the old hotel

22:44Joanne McNally:I can't fucking stay in the W room

22:47Vogue Williams:Well your tail between your legs

22:50Joanne McNally:My fed tail My fed and watered tail

22:56Vogue Williams:Did you go to the shop first

22:57Joanne McNally:And bring your own bananas up there Would you I looked at my budget I budget now We're budgeting I'm a budget bitch now So now She won't even touch the bloody water

23:08Vogue Williams:She's gone and bought her out in the shop

23:11Joanne McNally:There'll be nothing Aten or drinking now again for the rest of the Barcelona trip and Garaud will be sleeping on the streets. Fair enough, fair enough. So Garaud, sorry, I blew the budget of the W, so you're sleeping in with me.

23:28Joanne McNally:If you can't treat yourself, who can you treat?

23:37Joanne McNally:Although I do, I do, I do have a little regret over not just ordering an Uber Eats, but there you go. It's okay.

23:43Vogue Williams:Speaking of us not being a duo Someone mailed me And they were like My girls are loving your show They've had the meet and greet And they're looking forward To the second half And I thought I'm not her Why does everyone know I am What? Someone who was at your show The mother obviously was like They're having a fantastic time I'll tell you what I'll mail her And then I got the mail And I was like Well I'm glad they're

24:05Joanne McNally:Enjoying themselves I don't know whose show They were at Because I wasn't doing Meet and greets So I don't know where I don't know whose show that was.

24:13Vogue Williams:Don't lie, you've started them in Barcelona to try and recoup some cash.

24:19Joanne McNally:They're obviously at some other show. I think Kerry Catone and Katie Price are doing shows at the moment. They weren't at mine.

24:26Vogue Williams:I don't do meet and greets.

24:27Joanne McNally:I don't do meet and greets.

24:28Vogue Williams:She's like Avril Lavigne when she meets fans.

24:31Joanne McNally:Remember that? So funny. One of the funniest things I've ever. There were like COVID photos where like you're not allowed to touch anyone. Sorry, I'd rather,

24:39Vogue Williams:I'd rather her than Chris Brown I saw a picture of him And he's like There's a woman who's First of all Who is going to a Chris Come on Who's going to his concert Like seriously I just I cannot understand And particularly as a woman And so many women I know That's another matter But there was someone there At the meet and greet And in fairness He puts a lot into them And she was pregnant And he had He was behind her And had his hands On her pregnant belly I was like Ugh That's so personal

25:05Joanne McNally:That's the least I've seen women like Gyrating on him and stuff Jesus Christ I know He's in bed He fucking hit He hit Rihanna I know

25:15Vogue Williams:But like Focus There's been other things There's been other things though And like Did you ever see those TikToks Of people going and asking Women who are going to the shows Like do you not Like do you know all this stuff That he's done And they're like Yeah but like That was years ago It's like No

25:30Joanne McNally:I saw that Yeah I know It's like

25:33Vogue Williams:He hasn't murdered anyone in ages Yeah What's the big deal Yeah Why are we bringing out this documentary on fair dress? That was years ago. It's not his fault anymore.

25:43Joanne McNally:It's been three years since he kicked the shit out of a woman. Come on. Let's all move on.

25:48Vogue Williams:Anyway, I want to talk about the homework for the week, which sounds terrible. We'll have to come up with another name. But you said you'd watch the Catfish documentary. And I watched it as my homework. And spoiler alert for anybody who hasn't.

26:02Joanne McNally:Massive spoiler alert because Kayleigh Trapp outed us recently. for she was she did some video about us spoiling something some other story that we spoiled and we're spoilers okay so we're aware we're spoilers so we're we've warned this is a big spoiler alert nino nino nino clax and clax and emergency emergency I haven't watched it. Exclamation point. Skip, skip, skip. Okay. Anyway. We're safe. Go. It was the bummer.

26:30Vogue Williams:Oh, there we go. I just. I was in deep. Because I had read the story and Joanne was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know who it is. And then I was watching the show. And it's basically about this young girl in school, in high school. And she's getting trolled for, I think it ended up being 22 months by somebody. and no one could figure out who it was and her young boyfriend yeah and her young boyfriend and as the show was going on I was like oh I thought it was the mom but but it couldn't possibly be the mother with the stuff that she was saying she was telling her daughter to kill herself to commit suicide and then she was saying sexual things like about the boyfriend like he only likes bjs and like stuff about sticking fingers in like it was so fucked up and she was crazy in the end but i was trying to break it down because spenny who i watched it with had no interest in doing a breakdown deep dive after it with me and i was like well fine fuck you

27:32Joanne McNally:i'll talk to joanne and the listeners yeah um not joe so there is joe joe's like spenny's camp

27:40Vogue Williams:I haven't seen yeah and anyone who actually it was the mother Jo

27:44Joanne McNally:it was the mother just Jo in case you were planning on doing it yeah it was the mother don't bother

27:49Vogue Williams:because you didn't do your homework tough luck here's my take on it I actually do think that the mother fancied the daughter's son I do I think that daughters no the daughters sorry I think that the mother did fancy the daughter's boyfriend because when you think of all the explicit messages and why she would be saying all those things to her daughter. It was like she was really jealous of her and the relationship. And it was just bizarre because it was like she was spending eight hours a day on it sometimes. She was pretending to go to work and she'd lost her job. And all she was doing was at home texting.

28:25Vogue Williams:Unknown number, the high school catfish. Unknown number. I know, but I have to say, I was given a spoiler from just reading the paper, just going about my daily life. At least if you read an article on the show itself, then it's like, oh, spoiler if you haven't watched it. But when you're reading the paper and it's like, bam, it just tells you this mother was trolling her daughter. How do you even, how do you even start something like that?

28:45Joanne McNally:Because she has, she's got the munch.

28:48Vogue Williams:I was thinking it was the munchie or something weird as well.

28:50Joanne McNally:She's got the munch by proxy. She's got the munch housing syndrome. That it's, I think she's attracted to the drama. She's obviously mentally unwell. She definitely had a crush on her daughter's boyfriend. Because even the boyfriend said on the show. Oh, so you agreed with that? Well, he said it. His name's Owen. He said it himself. he said she was always just a little too attentive it was just always a bit too much you know but what I said

29:12Vogue Williams:she was really jealous of the daughter's life as well but she wanted to keep the daughter close but the fact that she was even on the show and sitting there

29:20Joanne McNally:and like it was wild and she was telling the daughter as the troll because she was scrambling her numbers and all they couldn't find her number telling her to kill herself and everything like this you know like it's ultimately it's completely bizarre she did prison time the daughter now is back living with her which I found Is she because I thought that she wasn't

29:38Vogue Williams:allowed to see her still Oh hold on let me google because because the thing about it is I kind of get that as the daughter because like her mom's not dead and it's your mom like I I'd probably forgive my mom as well like I would I'd say Sandra what the hell Well

29:56Joanne McNally:I'd say I mean I'm always slagging Pat saying I'm I'm pretty sure she's running our tattle thread she is I agree on her burner that she won't give me the details for you know what I mean she'll do Pat would do something like she if she wanted me to do something you know she always wants me to wear more A-line skirts and stuff that'd be her she'd be set up an account Poosh McNoodle I'd be like God I wish she'd wear more A-line she looks terrible in those short skirts she needs to wear more floor length gowns that'd be Pat trying to get stuff across the line.

30:34Vogue Williams:Watch The Catfish. If you haven't watched it, you have to watch it.

30:37Joanne McNally:What I found interesting was because obviously when police arrest people, especially in the States, but I assume it's everywhere, they have the body cam so you're watching the whole thing happen. But the daughter, now, I found the daughter, she's quite a quiet girl. She's quite meek. She's quite reserved. She's not, you know, she's quiet, I would say. Reminded me a lot of myself. I agree. Very demure, very like yourself. Very like yourself. And she didn't have huge reactions to anything throughout the documentary at all, really. Now, obviously, she's kind of processed it herself. But when they showed us the recording of the police arriving to the door and basically outing the mother for trolling her own daughter and her daughter's boyfriend for 22 months, and violent trolling, like awful trolling.

31:24Joanne McNally:Yeah. The daughter just like kind of just took it on. She just rolled with the punches. She doesn't seem shocked.

31:34Vogue Williams:I feel like they kind of didn't explain it to her properly, though. Because when they were saying it, it was like, are you saying she's done it? Like for a second, I was like, are they saying she's done it or not? And then when the daughter came in, I was like, I don't feel like they told her properly or something. But then even when the dad came back, she kind of didn't really react either. But maybe she was shocked.

31:52Joanne McNally:And then the dad was like, you need to move out just for a little bit to the wife. And I was like, are they all in it? Oh, no, the dad dumped her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want her. You mean she's She's sending sex Like she's sexting A 14 year old boy You know There's flags It's not It's not It's not great For the old Marriage

32:10Vogue Williams:She was lying about Having a job I think that she was A compulsive liar as well She was just She's a really Really odd person Well I think it's a little Like you weren't sexting your No I wasn't A 15 year old No I wasn't

32:22Joanne McNally:So you can lie about Whatever the fuck you want Thank you for clearing Thank you for clearing that up I lied about going to college every day but I mean whatever you know water under the bridge a lot of the talk around there's a lot of articles now coming out about it they're talking about the fact that a lot of mothers are jealous of their daughters and it's not spoken about and that that's where I came from she was jealous of her daughter who had this kind of nice life she was a very attractive young girl and her boyfriend was kind of like they were like a cool couple you know they were kind of like the cool hot couple of the school and that the mother was actually jealous of her.

32:57Joanne McNally:But also mad about her and was like ringing her every day from prison and everything. Anyway, I don't know. Oh yeah. You think Pat and... We think we've... I think... Do you know what Vogue? It just makes us grateful for our realm of... Pat and Sandra. Yeah. Well that's because they definitely aren't jealous of us. They're quite the opposite. Pandra. Yeah, Pandra. That's their collaborative name.

33:17Vogue Williams:They look at our lives and think, not for me. Yes.

33:25Joanne McNally:Jerome McNally coming from Barcelona Vogue Williams coming from

33:27Vogue Williams:Coming a lot of times But Well

33:32Joanne McNally:Alright

33:34Vogue Williams:Wow We've had to become

33:37Joanne McNally:Jesus Christ

33:43Vogue Williams:Another thing I saw in the papers And I know that you haven't seen it yet And I want you to Google him right now Right there is a new saint on the block he is

33:54Joanne McNally:a young oh yeah yeah yeah did you see any of it I didn't I just general osmosis I know what you're talking about but I haven't I don't know the deets what's his name Saint what Saint what

34:05Vogue Williams:he was he used to be a team gamer he's an Italian teenager who grew up in the UK and died of leukemia at age 15 that is so sad he's going to be the first millennial saint This is happening on Sunday. Carlos. Acutis. I don't know why that was so. I was going to say, are we still sainting people? That feels very old school. Still sainting people. And I was like, what has he been doing to be saintly? Because you have to have like perform certain miracles. But his body anyway has been on display. And so this boy died in 2006. he was exhumed after something like 16, 17 years he was exhumed and look at Joe his hair is nicer than yours go and look at his body you're doing it?

34:54Vogue Williams:could very well be

34:55Joanne McNally:I did say to you firstly gamers notoriously are indoor people okay so if he has no direct sunlight he's no you know what I mean there's no sun damage remember I said to you that the sun turns your hair great

35:07Vogue Williams:he's been underground for 17 years

35:10Joanne McNally:dead exactly Exactly. No sun damage. No. You're nowhere safer than in the ground, Vogue. It's the only way, it's the only way, it's the only place the UV rays can't get you.

35:22Vogue Williams:We'll go to Joanne's, we'll go to Joanne's house and she'll be digging holes in her plant pots for herself. Goodnight. But here, okay, so I have to give you, so basically, now his hair looks great and everything like that, but now his body was preserved in a wax. And I think what the Catholic Church are trying to do is to get more millennials on board with their practices. And that's why they're getting this young saint in. But supposedly he performed two miracles and helped people that were going to die by them going and praying on his body. Listen, who are we to question this? I was going to say,

35:54Joanne McNally:were the miracles that he accessed like level seven of fucking Mario Kart or something. What miracles was a gamer carrying out?

36:02Vogue Williams:Well, he completed it. He completed Mario Kart,

36:04Joanne McNally:which hasn't been done before. And so now he is a saint. This is the bang of trying to stay relevant off this from the Catholic Church is pathetic can I just say well his mom

36:13Vogue Williams:his mom says that he didn't he didn't do anything that like young kids would do he only did like nice kind saintly things I think she's trying to hide the fact that he was a gamer I don't know why it just doesn't feel

36:25Joanne McNally:very saintly God love him set to be canonised with the Catholic Church at the end of April first millennial to become a saint I mean next thing the Vatican are going to be doing the apple dance and all this is it's it's you know what do you know what I mean they're going to be hanging out with Charlie XCX having a brat summer even though that's all over do you know it's like do you know what I mean they're like they'll be lip syncing to shit that's been and gone

36:48Vogue Williams:but I'm getting the the clergy are going to go to one of your shows just to show that they're on board down with kids

36:55Joanne McNally:we're Pinot girlies no you're not you're paedophileies I'll be like it's Pinot file not paedophile get out

37:04Vogue Williams:but isn't that mad I just thought like I know it's great that he's going to be a saint for him and his family and stuff like that but I just thought his exhumed body looks just I just couldn't believe my eyes

37:13Joanne McNally:I'm still scrolling here and I hope you don't sound insensitive because it's obviously very tragic he died so young but like I'm still I am still strolling down looking for him I'll tell you

37:25Vogue Williams:who's not happy about it Saint Francis of Assisi he's like what the fuck is he doing on my turf loads of people used to flock to see Saint Francis of Assisi and now they don't even bother they just go to your man Heath they're calling him

37:36Joanne McNally:God's influencer yeah Wow. Oh my God. This article agrees with me. Church moves too slowly to ever be hip. There will always be a bit of that. Hello fellow kids. Energy. There is also genuine religiosity. Religiosity. Apparently the young children, the youngsters are getting back into Jesus. Have we discussed this?

38:01Vogue Williams:There is a lot of people. Everyone's walking with Jesus now.

38:03Joanne McNally:Everyone's getting their steps in with Jesus. This is all the bios now. A lot of the influencers, they're walking with Christ. They're walking with Jesus. Don't know where they're going They're off Anyway Congratulations to the young To God's influencer

38:14Vogue Williams:I think that's something nice For his parents at least And as you said It's gonna bring People are loving God You say

38:22Joanne McNally:The pressure I just hope I don't do anything else Good Because the pressure of knowing When I'm dead Potentially be dug up again Like it's hard enough Trying to stay on top of my grooming When I'm alive Let alone the pressure of thinking They're gonna come back to me In 15 years time

38:38Vogue Williams:fret not my friend you will not be you will not be made a saint

38:45Joanne McNally:if I go before you Vogue just know that I want an extra layer of bare by Vogue extra dark just to keep me going I'll wax you I'll put the wax on you that's the way to go

38:55Vogue Williams:why aren't they doing that to all of us please do

38:57Joanne McNally:please do make sure and get the little chin hairs okay just in case I end up coming back up because when they realise how sound I am after I die when I'm post-hormously decided to be sound It's always the way Isn't it Post hummus

39:10Vogue Williams:You never know what you've got Until it's gone Huh Everyone Wise words So wise folk

39:17Joanne McNally:Where did you come up With that yourself I did actually It's one of the many things I've come up with You should write that down You should coin that Oh I have You should No you should patent it Hey do you want Life's a bitch

39:27Vogue Williams:Then you die You know Stop

39:30Joanne McNally:That's That's a mic drop moment there You should have that On your kitchen wall You should put that In a song folk Oh hold on That's my live laugh half love

39:41thank you so much

39:47Vogue Williams:for listening before we get cut off yet again we're gonna say goodbye Jo I'm sorry

39:52Joanne McNally:I'm going to Bournemouth if anyone's around I'm around that's all just Bournemouth Bournemouth and Plymouth Plymouth they kept changing the venue and we didn't think it was gonna happen now it is so of course I didn't try and sell it blah blah blah

40:05Vogue Williams:but she loves Plymouth that she was talking about the other day. She can't wait to go. See you all.

40:10Joanne McNally:Make it on to the Vatican. It's got an extensive email list.

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THIS EPISODE CONTAINS SPOILERS FOR UNKNOWN NUMBER: THE HIGH SCHOOL CATFISH!

Apparently there's a new saint in town and it's a pretty radical selection from the Catholic church. Meanwhile, Joanne's tour has taken her to Barcelona, but don't worry - the locals are fine about it. Back in the UK, Vogue has done her homework and she's as perplexed as you are... Provided you did your homework? SPOILERS!

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