Spain, Wimbledon & Glastonbury

18 Jul 2025 · 41 min · 16 chapters

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In short

Joanne McNally and Vogue Williams return to “My Therapist Ghosted Me” and chat about their recent lives, plus Spain, Wimbledon, and Glastonbury. Topic: Vogue’s “holiday” in Spain (working remotely), Wimbledon fashion drama with Joanne’s mum, dating rules around men paying, and a Glastonbury ticket fraud story.

Guests

none; only the hosts (Joanne McNally and Vogue Williams).

Key claims

Wonder ads about “food without the fight” (combining 20 restaurants into one delivery). Vogue says Spain feels “workable” because there’s “nothing to look at.” Joanne describes being scammed by a private Glastonbury ticket concierge: she paid £2,000 and later learned the tickets were invalid; the scamster used his parents’ address as business address.

Notable examples

Wimbledon outfit criticism (“cheap polyester” comments) and Joanne’s mum’s “don’t explode” text urging a dressy trouser suit/long skirt; Glastonbury fraud where a mother reported her own son to police and a phone call was recorded and posted to TikTok.

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Chapters

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Post-Holiday Catch-Up

0:45 to 3:00

Hosts discuss their recent break and experiences during their time apart.

“Hello, welcome back to My Therapist Ghosted Me, with me, Joanne McNally, and my co-host and trad wife, Vogue Williams.”

Video Launch and Beauty Talks

3:00 to 6:00

Discussion about launching video episodes and their beauty routines.

“No I don't know what it is No I never toned Back when Toner first came on the scene I was still using nail polish to clean my face So no Toner's back Who told you Toner was back?”

Toner and Skincare Trends

6:00 to 7:40

Hosts share their thoughts on skincare products and the return of toner.

“Yeah, you need to take on the fitness regime of a gay man.”

Holiday Reflections and Body Image

7:40 to 10:40

Vogue discusses her holiday experiences and body image issues.

“But anyway, yeah, so we're having a great time down here.”

Wimbledon Experience

10:40 to 14:00

Joanne shares her experiences at Wimbledon and interactions with her mother.

“Well Wimbledon I mean how many times did you go in the end?”

Wimbledon Wardrobe Woes

14:00 to 15:10

The hosts discuss outfit choices for Wimbledon, including personal stories and advice.

“And then she said but in capitals I'd just love to see you in a dressy trouser suit or a long skirt dress for Wimbledon this Thursday with a kind of a sad blushy face.”

Psychological Dressing

15:10 to 16:30

A humorous look at the impact of friends' opinions on personal style and choices.

Dating and Fashion Preferences

16:30 to 19:41

The conversation shifts to dating experiences and fashion preferences, including a critique of men's fashion.

“And when I looked at her and her shorts, I thought those shorts need to go in the bin.”

Returning to Dating

19:41 to 23:14

Discussion about getting back into the dating scene and the conflicting feelings involved.

“No, but you have given up on the other sex for quite some time.”

First Date Dynamics

23:14 to 28:00

Exploration of expectations and behaviors on first dates, including payment dynamics.

“And Gina said to me, she's like, if I were you, I'd make an effort now because she was like, when you get to my age, blah, blah, blah.”
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Dating Reflections: Setting Boundaries

28:00 to 29:22

The hosts discuss their evolving attitudes towards dating and personal boundaries.

“to kind of give him what he needs and yeah so no more and this is the attitude I'm taking into the dating world which is why it's not going to work but no more there's your dusty ass pig tongue out of my mouth.”

Glastonbury Scam: A Cautionary Tale

29:22 to 31:15

A recount of being scammed for Glastonbury tickets and the aftermath.

“I have to give an update on Glastonbury.”

Conversations with a Scammer

31:15 to 32:59

An exploration of a phone conversation with the scammer and the absurdity that follows.

“His parents' house, it was his mother's birthday.”

Festival Culture: Drug Accusations and Expectations

32:59 to 36:10

The hosts discuss the culture around festivals and being accused of drug use.

“I think there's loads of opportunists when it comes to Glastonbury because I was trying to get you a ticket off my cousin Killian.”

Oasis Nostalgia and Ticket Talks

36:10 to 37:54

A conversation about Oasis and the challenges of getting concert tickets.

“You go, so Terry, that's actually psoriasis.”

Show Closing: Reflections and Returns

37:54 to 40:24

The hosts wrap up the episode with reflections on their time away and the joy of returning.

“to my siblings and I know that Spenny is going to be absolutely raging on the night in Dublin and we're like, bye, put them down at seven.”
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Transcript

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0:00Vogue Williams:Boom! No!

0:02Joanne McNally:Come on!

0:02Vogue Williams:Kids, what should we order for dinner? Pizza! Thai! Tacos!

0:06Joanne McNally:Hey boys, let's not get loco. What kind of restaurant sells pizza, Thai, and tacos? I'll never please all my guys. Why can't we have food without the fight? With Wonder, you can combine 20 restaurants and one delivery, so your family never has to compromise. Download the app today. Wonder. Food without the fight.

0:31Vogue Williams:This is a Global Player original podcast.

0:45Joanne McNally:Hello, welcome back to My Therapist Ghosted Me, with me, Joanne McNally, and my co-host and trad wife, Vogue Williams.

1:00We're back.

1:02Joanne McNally:Hello. We're back. We're back. Vogue, I'm sorry. I can only apologise on behalf of myself and Jo, but you're back looking at us. She couldn't wait to get away from us. How do you feel? You've been away from us for two weeks. Do you feel good? I'm trying to be on holidays.

1:18Vogue Williams:Please. I think that the break, well, I mean, we've spoken to each other and we have been out with each other. So to be quite honest with you, Joanne, there wasn't a real break. Well I've loved it.

1:32Joanne McNally:I've woken up every day and said thank God I don't see those two pricks. But we're back. We're back. Jo did you do anything nice?

1:44Vogue Williams:I just made preparations for our episodes to be in full video which they now are. You can watch them on YouTube and Global Player on Monday.

1:52Joanne McNally:We're in full video. You're just feeding us into YouTube right now. Is that right Jo? We're going live.

1:58Vogue Williams:just feeding it in I love how we were like right if we're doing YouTube sorry but we're getting full hair and makeup because we're not having full videos up without hair and makeup I saw Joanne and you do look very well so I didn't even have mascara on to begin with so the effort from my side has already been minimal

2:17Joanne McNally:well you're on holidays you know what I mean this is true and I've been up icing my puff face for the last 45 minutes holding the ice cubes in my bare hands in my bare hands because I lost my I refused to buy those plastic bits of shit off Teemu so I've been ice rolling I've used under eye patches I even slept so I could keep in my space buns that I got done for a shoot yesterday now this is this is episode one trust me by the bonus in two days time I'll be back in my pyjamas

2:47Vogue Williams:I have to say I was quite disappointed to see the way you turned yourself out today because I thought we were on the same page but and but you

2:55Joanne McNally:you have a natural way about you I have to put in a 12 hour shift

3:02Vogue Williams:Excuse me I had eye patches under my eyes this morning Thank you very much Sometimes I actually put eye patches under my eyes Before I even leave my bedroom Because my eyes are so black That like some mornings they're blacker than others Like I have such bad circles That I'm like I'll just put on an eye patch So I don't have to frighten anyone

3:19Joanne McNally:You need to learn to use that weird green concealer That comes in every little concealer box And no one ever knows how to use it It's something to do with colouring Speaking of heavy hitting news Did you hear Toner's back?

3:31Vogue Williams:Did you ever tone?

3:35Joanne McNally:No I don't know what it is No I never toned Back when Toner first came on the scene I was still using nail polish to clean my face So no Toner's back Who told you Toner was back? Amber's still using face wipes Dr. Katrina Ryan Our in-house dermatologist Towed me that Toner's back So I've been

3:53Vogue Williams:For any uninitiated listeners that don't know what that is What is toner? No idea, Jo. All right, okay. You do cleanse and tone. It's part of the system. It goes in a row. It's just this water, but you're meant to cleanse and it opens your pores and then tone and it closes your pores. That's all I remember it from my clearest little days.

4:15Joanne McNally:I'm happy to tone my arse. I've no instant tone on my face, but I am willing to give it a go because I do everything Katrina tells me to. But anyway. Vogue, tell us, how's your holiday?

4:25Vogue Williams:I have to show you. you're talking about tone in your eyes i have to show you this picture from yesterday it was like what the fuck i have worked so hard on my eyes wait until you see it's like it's like it goes back legs there's no like wait let me see this picture look no i got myself look at that ours is it because it's quite flat is that it? I think it's because I was tensing forward you know what I mean I was tensing my arse and pushing forward

4:59Joanne McNally:oh okay so you're saying that the arse isn't the size that you think it is in real life

5:04Vogue Williams:I know and I've been going for hill runs and stuff hill runs not even walks and I'm like my arse is going to be massive and then I saw that picture yesterday and I was like Bridie if you're going to post that picture cut out the arse it's hard it's hard being a white woman

5:19Joanne McNally:we have our own challenges okay We don't get enough sympathy for them. And building the arse is one of the obstacles in the way. I could squat all day and all night and I still have a pathetically flat arse. Doesn't matter what you do. We need to go for BBLs.

5:36Vogue Williams:I'm sorry, but I see some white men with fantastic arses. One I saw walking around the hills. That's why I started running around the hills. I saw him walking around the hills here and I was like, look at that arse. Where did he get that from? And he was ripped everywhere else. on just this gorgeous arse.

5:52Joanne McNally:Yeah, he's gay. He's putting in the work. That would be my take on that. When I'm in the gym and I see the lads focusing only on the arse area, I'm like, hiya. See you down the George. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, you need to take on the fitness regime of a gay man. They're all about the buttocks. Glutes galore. Speaking of naked fit gays, you'd want to see, like obviously I live in Clapham Common and it's the sun's out, the buns are out. There is more torso than a slaughterhouse at the moment. There isn't a top to be seen. And when I say these lads, I know, everyone's like, oh, the Clapham Gays, I never see them.

6:30Joanne McNally:Do you know why I don't see them? Because they're in the fucking gym. I have, they're as biceps and triceps and tits and nips. Even their nipples are ripped. They're not for me. They couldn't give a shit. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But it's impressive. It is impressive.

6:49Vogue Williams:I'm in Spain. I'm having a great time I love it it's kind of like I don't really like to say full holiday because I am working here I just kind of relocate for the summer because my mum goes away she actually she tried to drop the bomb yesterday she was like we might not leave as early next year I thought sorry yes you will you'll get out of here when we are the swap is happening Sandra she even kindly made the tiniest bit of wardrobe space in her wardrobe and when I say the tiniest bit she has this place that's got four bedrooms that she owns and every single wardrobe is filled to the brim. She's a room outside that's a storage room full of hats.

7:25Vogue Williams:She must have 250 hats and she's asked me about more packages that are... Yeah. She... I didn't lick it off the ground. She has a serious shopping problem. I'm actually... I'm worried about her. That's how bad it is. Check her in somewhere. Get her sectioned. It is just too much. But anyway, yeah, so we're having a great time down here. what's been going on nothing really Amber's here with us I've been going for runs with Spenny had a couple of drinks just you know yourself chilling I've only been here for a couple of days chilling I'm already getting the messages what does she even do really

8:03Joanne McNally:that's record time is it all they do is go on holidays I'm not on holidays it's a working trip I'm just working remotely in an exotic country well it's not Spain it's not even exotic

8:15Vogue Williams:I know I'll tell you what I feel like I'll end up like I'm going to start spending more and more time here it's just so relaxing you can actually work here because you know I've said it before when you go to certain places and they're too like not saying that Spain isn't nice Spain is gorgeous but like it's not like when you're away in the Caribbean or something and it's like I can't possibly work here it's too like I have to get out and like feast my eyes on the landscape at all times here you can actually sit and work and I just feel like in the winter Are you saying it's in bits? That's why you're giving it No it's not

8:44Joanne McNally:That sounds like that's what you're saying. Spain is so old that I can get loads of work done, is kind of how that sounds.

8:50Vogue Williams:There's nothing to look at.

8:51Joanne McNally:Yeah, there's nothing to look at. It's more workable.

8:55Vogue Williams:It's more, well, maybe it's just me. Because it's only down the road, isn't it? It's more accessible, I think is what you mean. I just feel more worky here. Do you know what I mean? I just feel like I can actually sit in and do jobs, whereas I can't really, if I'm on an actual holiday.

9:11Joanne McNally:Fogue Williams calls Spain a kip says easy to get work done because nothing to look at I wrote it there for you Are you drinking? I'm on the carotene What's carotene? For your hair? Sorry, no, that is what that is so I'm on the creatine

9:28Vogue Williams:It was only a matter of time before she went on the creatine I actually read something somewhere and I bet you saw the same article and I looked at it and I said Joanne's going to be on that in no time

9:39Joanne McNally:Well, you know, one of my biggest fears is Alzheimer's forward slash dementia. I don't know the difference between the two. And apparently, and as we discussed before, it comes in through your teeth and it goes up through your gums. It's all about, apparently it's like, do you know that stuff that builds on your teeth? Plaque. Apparently it comes in through the plaque and it, anyway, it goes up into your brain. What? You know, whatever. Yeah. According to the hospital, I follow on Facebook, Jo, okay? Oh, right, okay. And apparently creatine is really good for staving off dementia. Now, I know I'm starting to sound like Joe Rogan and the toilet duck and the COVID.

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10:17Joanne McNally:But genuinely, there is actual scientific proof to say this. It's really good for stimulating brain, neuroplasty and memory. So I'm strung out on the shit. Not a medical podcast. Do consult your medical professional. Well, I'm more consult your trainer. I don't think it's really a medical thing.

10:33Vogue Williams:I thought, oh, no, I'm thinking of pre-workout. I take supplements and stuff like that, though. I think it's important to take brain health stuff Of course Gotta look after the brain But I did hear that about the teeth Because I know somebody who got their teeth done Because of Alzheimer's But like I don't know how much Again we're not a medical podcast But it is interesting Because I have heard that before That it does have something to do with your teeth Something to do with the teeth

10:58Joanne McNally:Will I tell you my Will I just I've all glassed from me and Wimbledon and everything We might as well just get into it Will we get into it? Well Wimbledon

11:05Vogue Williams:I mean how many times did you go in the end? It's over there. Are you still hanging out over there or like what's happening?

11:12Joanne McNally:I went twice to Wimbledon. Once I was a guest of Vogue Williams at a very fancy Emirates party with Hello magazine and she got a plus one and she very generously took her little peb pleasant friend Joanne and I went apparently in the wrong outfit according to my mother. Your mum said that? Oh. You looked lovely. I thought I looked great. I thought we both looked great. We got in Hello magazine. I'm a hello girl now. Yeah.

11:40Vogue Williams:Joanne, I saw someone comment on our post. I think it was you and me standing at Wimbledon. And they were slagging your outfit. And then they were like, and look at Vogue. And that cheap polyester. I was like. Excuse me? They really did. It's on one of our posts. And I actually thought it was so funny that I was like, I'm not actually going to delete that. But they were basically calling us cheap bitches.

12:05Joanne McNally:I mean you can put a lot of caviar in their mouth but ultimately do you know what I mean

12:20Joanne McNally:I thought your dress was lovely

12:23Vogue Williams:I thought you looked lovely sorry but obviously we're a bad judge apparently not judge

12:36Joanne McNally:so I sent my mum the photos because she likes to get photographic updates of everywhere I go when I'm out and about and she there was silence then there was no she didn't reply to the photos and I of course didn't think anything of it because I don't think so I just moved on to the next project of the day and then she knew I was going back to Wimbledon with WME who are the American agency and she said that she was like what are you going to wear and I said I hadn't thought about it and then I got a very very well curated text that I'd say she's written a couple of times to make sure that it didn't start an argument I'll read it to you me and my mum we were very we're much more diplomatic with each other now like it's a more thought out like we don't lose the rag with each other as much and when we do we're quicker to come back and make peace we went through a phase where she was like I can't say anything to you but I was like everything you say is massively offensive do you know what I mean and then she'd be like sure I'm only making conversation where'd she get so sensitive it was all that so we went through we went through a phase where everything was war do you know what I mean and I felt like she was that thing that you feel I felt like she was picking at me all the time and so then when you feel like I do think they go

13:45Vogue Williams:through phases of that though mums do

13:47Joanne McNally:yeah they probably do and then it's just you know you're just fucking rubbing each other up the wrong way and I was living at home at the time and everything was a bit of a drama but now so she's much better so she says she opens the text going don't explode. So you know what I mean? So she's like calm down. And then she said but in capitals I'd just love to see you in a dressy trouser suit or a long skirt dress for Wimbledon this Thursday with a kind of a sad blushy face. I know you don't do frilly flowery but you look so elegant in long lines. Nice. What do you mean, nicer? Mom's calling her a whore.

14:31Joanne McNally:Complimentary. You look nicer. You look elegant in long lines. I don't even know what that is. Cover up. Yeah, maybe.

14:39Vogue Williams:Yeah, possibly we could read that.

14:41Joanne McNally:I love the mini. Of course I do. She doesn't. She's just forgetting this has been very well curated. But just the other one, but the other one can be more dressy for a specific occasion. And then she wrote at the end, cool can be done in the heat, you know.

14:56Vogue Williams:Ooh.

14:57Joanne McNally:thanks Anna Wintour I think you should run for political office yeah it was very it was a very carefully written message but hey basically it's like put some trousers on your slag is ultimately what she was is the message there so then I was freaking out and I was like I don't know what to wear and then Sophie who came with me on the Friday came over and I was in a Supreme you know Supreme I was in a basketball top yeah same and she's like you're not wearing that anyway I ended up wearing what I thought was quite feminine it was like a pink frilly dress with like little green fair play to Sophie

15:30Vogue Williams:I wouldn't I wouldn't cross you like that now if you came out in a like remember when Gemma what's her name Gemma what's her name Collins Collins yes remember when Gemma Collins came out in that like almost like NFL outfit oh yeah where was it

15:48Joanne McNally:was that for Halloween I don't know

15:51Vogue Williams:it wasn't for Halloween but she came out and it kind of went everywhere if you came in to me and you were like I'm going to Wimbledon to this with you I'd be like okay

15:59Joanne McNally:yeah you wouldn't say anything you wouldn't to be fair but you would advise if I was looking for advice and it was very clear when Sophie came in it was very clear Pat had fucked that you were looking for it she'd fucked with me psychologically she got in my head and I was lost and I didn't know who I was or what I was going to wear I was having an identity crisis in the bedroom so she guided me gently towards the pink frill

16:20Vogue Williams:you know when you know someone doesn't like what you're wearing though like yesterday I went to the supermarket with Amber and I was wearing what I thought was the most stunning outfit that anyone has ever worn. And when I looked at her and her shorts, I thought those shorts need to go in the bin. So I had judged her mentally for that. But I was wearing this outfit and I was like, hmm. And I got in the lift with her and I was like, oh, unusual. She didn't tell me I looked great.

16:49Joanne McNally:So as she always would tell you you look great, that's sisterly love for you.

16:52Vogue Williams:Well, no, not just that. the outfit in my mind was so good that I couldn't believe she hadn't just automatically said wow and then we were getting back to the supermarket we were standing in the lift and I just looked at her and I said you don't like this outfit do you and she just started laughing there I was sauntering around the supermarket thinking

17:14Joanne McNally:I was brilliant well folk now more than myself and I will put myself in this conversation we both can be a little hit or miss and you know that's Joe always hits but Joe doesn't take risks

17:27Vogue Williams:oh no there are no risks Joe doesn't well I mean sometimes some of your darkness t-shirts aren't my favourite they're very old they're very very washed many many times you don't

17:36Joanne McNally:you don't just you know when you take when you take risks you're gonna hit or miss you know what I mean and I know my style isn't for your style isn't for everyone

17:47Vogue Williams:but no but you excuse me Joanne our style is fantastic when you're as fashion forward as us. People are just catching. Just look at the whims of them. People are just catching. You're polyester. Yeah, polyester is going to be in next year. Okay? What is polyester? I don't even know what that is. I don't know. I don't know and it wasn't polyester anyway. It wasn't.

18:07Joanne McNally:Once no one turns up in linen. It's all, I just, I can't bear linen. I went to a date with a guy recently and he's... I have three linen shirts here with me. Please just, just don't show me them. Fashion forward. you know you can't wear you can't wear white linens and call yourself fashion forward

18:29Joanne McNally:since our break I've been on a couple of dates just letting the world know I'm back in the game go on go on tell us tell us all well one like I said one wore linen and like it's it's it's terrible and I don't but I'm no longer going down the road of icks and red flags and all that stuff I'm you know I'm Buddhist now so I don't agree with any of that shit but I can't stomach linen okay so and also I realise that men's fashion it's more like a jumping off point because as a woman I know I can I can change that

18:58Vogue Williams:I'm going to send you a picture of Brad Pitt in various linen suits and you will I'll convert you

19:05Joanne McNally:I can't I can't with the linen it's awful

19:08Vogue Williams:so what kind of linen was this fella wearing linen trousers and a linen shirt or just

19:12Joanne McNally:it was a matching two piece no

19:14Vogue Williams:it's

19:15Joanne McNally:it's 32 degrees in London I think that you're being very unreasonable you have to defend these people because these are your people these are my kind yeah they are

19:24Vogue Williams:I like a man in linen

19:25Joanne McNally:you engage with the linen people

19:29Vogue Williams:you like Onslow

19:31Joanne McNally:you like a man in an Onslow top I like a linen I do I like a mesh tank a Popeye tattoo yeah ill-fitting like kind of O 'Neill's tracksuits you know there's a certain kind of Irish hooligan that I am very attracted to so he was a non-runner and also he was the rugby vibes and I I don't know why I was fooled I didn't realise he wasn't clear that he was rugby on his profile and then I went and once I spotted the lin and then he started talking I was like okay I know where I am now and it's not my world but at the point I was like Joanne do you know when you're like have you ever had a phase well no neither of you have but have you ever had a phase you're like if I don't engage with the opposite sex because obviously I'm straight at some point soon someone is going to come and take my genitals off me and be like you're wasting these we're going to give them to somebody's going to use them.

20:18Joanne McNally:Has anyone ever had that?

20:20Vogue Williams:No, but you have given up on the other sex for quite some time. I'm glad that you're back in the game.

20:29Joanne McNally:I was at a loss for a little while of like, what is the fucking point of this? But I am, do you know who I spoke to? Do you know who I spoke to? And I don't know if she's going to want to put this on the pod. I spoke to Gina, your aunt.

20:40Vogue Williams:What do you mean you don't know if she's going to want to put it on the pod?

20:42Joanne McNally:She's not going to have a clue. Okay, perfect. Let's give her out her eye ban and her blood type. Gina, what? Gina.

20:48Vogue Williams:When I,

20:49Joanne McNally:when I, what the hell did Gina say? When I popped into Gigi's birthday party, she says smuggling.

20:55Vogue Williams:She popped in. With presents. Gave a bag.

20:57Joanne McNally:Yeah. Gave a little handbag, which when I, obviously Gigi was predictably bored by and started crying because one of her nails popped off. I was like, why do I bother with this child?

21:08Vogue Williams:You got her, you got her at the wrong time. That was the third time the fake nails had come off. She couldn't take it.

21:14Joanne McNally:And that was a designer bag that was gifted to me, but it's too girly and tiny and I gave it to a child which in hindsight was a terrible mistake and I will be taking it back.

21:24Vogue Williams:Sorry, it's already found a new home downstairs in her wardrobe.

21:28Joanne McNally:Do you know what? I'm actually so glad because as I handed it over to her because like, do you know when you're, I was like, oh, I just, I had this moment of real love for Gigi. I was drunk on a plane and I was like, I want to just give Gigi loads of presents. I was having one of those. Every time I fly in the sky, I drink and I cry about not having kids, blah, blah, blah. I do it all the time. And then I get, I feel a lot of love for the kids that are in my life and I wanted to give Gigi this little designer handbag. As I handed it over to her, I realised with her little, little, little, little face, her little face, which is about to crunch up over her popped up nails.

21:58Joanne McNally:I was like, this child doesn't want this bag. This is such a waste of a bag. So I'm so glad you took it.

22:03Vogue Williams:It's not that it's a waste of the bag. When a child, I find at parties, like they get too many presents. Yes. They don't know. It's too overwhelming for them. They don't know what to do with it.

22:14Joanne McNally:Yes, yes. and when Jane Spencer's mother came over she goes God I'd love that bag myself I realised I was making a huge mistake handing it over to this little her little I was going to say chocolate covered hands her hands actually weren't her hands were perfectly manicured obviously because she is a tiny drag queen but anyway

22:30Vogue Williams:I didn't touch anything because in case a fake nail

22:33Joanne McNally:had fallen off I know

22:34Vogue Williams:do you want some cake now?

22:42Joanne McNally:With me Joanne McNally and my co-host Vogue Williams and that predator in the corner Joe Attywell.

22:49Vogue Williams:Oh thank you. That's excellent. That's really good to put that out there.

22:56Joanne McNally:So me and Gina were sitting on the couch together and Gina asked me she's like have you seen anyone etc. And I was tanner and I was like I've absolutely given up I said I'm dead inside I said there's no point to having Janice anymore the vagina's like she's deceased need to fucking resuscitate blah blah and I said I'm not arsed don't need them and blah, blah, blah. And Gina said to me, she's like, if I were you, I'd make an effort now because she was like, when you get to my age, blah, blah, blah. And she's like, and I didn't make the effort. I was exactly like you and I didn't make the effort and I really regret it.

23:24Joanne McNally:And I thought, do you know what? You're dead right. So I went home, did a shift, put a shift in on the hinge and the raise and set up two dates. Linen Man was number one and then the second guy, I felt very sorry for him because do you remember recently I was saying I had a habit of paying for men's, of paying for men's dinners on dates as some sort of weird, as some sort of weird paraflex on my property going, I don't need your fucking money. And then the second I pay for their dinner, I don't respect them anymore. Yeah. And I spoke to a friend of mine, Tom, and he said, stop paying for men's dinner on dates.

23:56Joanne McNally:So I went into the second date and we were going for dinner and I went in with a very intentional decision that I was not going to put my hand in my pocket at the dinner. This day too. This day too. So we had, and he was a very nice guy, but I knew it wasn't a runner. And I still, I was like, he was like oh I'll get it and I said thank you so much and he went oh usually people like kind of pretend that they're going to pay half and I said I'm absolutely not going to pay half I'm a forward thinking feminist I'm a progressive woman I'm an independent I'm a lone wolf problematically independent pay me away blah blah blah but something shifts in my neuro area where on the the brain I believe it's called yeah that's the boy yeah that when it comes to paying for something on a first date, if he doesn't pay, I don't respect him.

24:50Joanne McNally:I don't know what it is. I can only blame my cave wiring. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is, right? And if we go splits, I'm like, good luck. But if you want to be, when a man pays, it's so old school, I'm embarrassed to even admit it. But I do kind of need them to pay for dinner on the first date. I do. It's a story as old as time. but I knew I committed the crime I did what I I don't know why I did I knew I was never going to see him again I knew I wasn't going to ride him he'd already tried to score me and I'd recoiled

25:22Vogue Williams:oh no

25:23Joanne McNally:tried to score you

25:24Vogue Williams:on the first date how does that work then go on I can't remember anything like I'd I'll never have that

25:30Joanne McNally:well we don't fucking like this long we don't we don't know we actually can't say that he tried to score me on the first date and I I've been in that situation before where men will go in because they're just like and this is the bit where we score. This is the part where we score. So are you sitting at a dinner or are you having drinks and then he goes in to try and just score you like that? We'd had dinner and then he went to score me after.

25:54Vogue Williams:Where'd you go for dinner?

25:55Joanne McNally:That's a very full on date vibe isn't it? Well it was really busy in town. Dinner's the only way you can actually chat to someone to be honest. It's Saturday night in town. It's fucking it's wall to wall. You know what I mean? I'm 42. I want to sit down eat. I'll just get my protein in or I'll get muscle atrophy. I have to eat all the time now.

26:13Vogue Williams:And I do love sitting. Like I really, I can't be going somewhere where there's no seats. I just can't do it. I can't stand up for that long. Not anymore. Exactly.

26:23Joanne McNally:He went to score me and it was one of those things where you could tell, there was no real, there was no real sexual chemistry between us at all. But he was going in for the wear anyway because he was just doing that thing that some men do and they're like, this is the bit that I wear. This is the part where we wear, which is Irish for scoring. And I went, no, no, no, no, no. Because I'm done with scoring lads who I know don't want to score me. I'm over it. I had that with that fucking, your man, one of the Vogue knows who I'm talking about. He was really, the big lad. It was like, you score me like I'm your mother.

26:51Joanne McNally:You don't fancy me. Leave me alone. Go away. And this, I sensed that this was exactly what it was going to be the same again. I was like, no. And he was like, oh, I didn't, I didn't realise. It's almost like they're like, I didn't realise you had to fancy each other. It's like, yes. You're not fucking putting your tepid tongue in my grown ass woman's mouth. take your dusty tongue elsewhere you don't fancy me you don't fancy me and I don't fancy you Doja Cat well no in fairness I made it clear in the moment Doja Cat pretended she was all about it and then went to slagged him off online I have to say

27:27Vogue Williams:I've said this before and I know how bad it's going to sound but like I've been married for like seven years so maybe it was my immaturity back then or whatever but like if someone went to score me I'd be like oh this is awkward okay fine I'll do it I know

27:42Joanne McNally:yeah I know sure I've had sex with people out of so I didn't because I didn't want to embarrass them by saying no it's insane that's true I'd say most women have done that I really think most women have just ridden someone because they're like oh he's kind of you know he wants it and I don't want I don't know I don't want to make it awkward it's my job to kind of give him what he needs and yeah so no more and this is the attitude I'm taking into the dating world which is why it's not going to work but no more

28:07Vogue Williams:there's your dusty ass pig tongue out of my mouth.

28:10Joanne McNally:Yeah. I'm not receiving tepid tongue anymore. I'm only receiving tongue if it's hot, sexy, lusty tongue. I'm not doing tepid tongue anymore. I'm out. Anyway, I committed a carnal crime. I let the lad pay and I knew full well I was never going to see him again. And you know what? I've thought about it. I feel so bad about it. I feel so bad about it.

28:35Vogue Williams:Why don't you rev him? Rev him.

28:37Joanne McNally:That's actually not a bad idea.

28:38Vogue Williams:Rev him for half And be like Dude I actually feel really bad That I didn't pay half And like And now in fairness I think that'll be nice Because I remember I'm not going to mention Whose name it is And he was going on A lot of dates And he was like It's costing me a fortune And I actually don't have The money to be going out For all these dinners So he did switch it around Where he started taking Girls for coffees And walked Because he was like It's actually becoming Too expensive So I think that man Would be very Very happy If you sent If you revved him Half the money for the date So he could go And take someone else out

29:06Joanne McNally:You're so right Now, I don't think he's short of cash. I got the impression he had a bit of money. I took out what I'd done on previous dates. I brought in. I brought in energy from previous dates and dumped it on this poor bastard. And Jack, if you're listening, I can only apologise. And I probably won't rev him. But look, the thought was there.

29:31Joanne McNally:I have to give an update on Glastonbury. I have to. Daylight robbery. As we knew, last time we spoke, I was we were debating whether or not I was being scammed wasn't that correct?

29:42Vogue Williams:Yeah It was

29:43Joanne McNally:And I was being scammed Pretty

29:47Vogue Williams:I have to say it was a pretty good scam it wasn't

29:49Joanne McNally:he made a lot of money from that scam He did you know and this was you know I've been scammed a couple of times but this is definitely the biggest one you know this is kind of this is like 6 ,000 smeg kettles

30:01Vogue Williams:That was an expensive scam I've been scammed before with something like that like with a pretend trip to New York and like hotels and flights included and then it wasn't the trip to New York. Yeah. If it's too good to be true it's too good to be true. They were like you know you're going to York and you're like oh. I wasn't even going to York I went nowhere. I got you a fridge magnet

30:22Joanne McNally:from New York. Okay thank you. This guy ran a private concierge company now listen I don't know a private I don't know what that means but it means Glastonbury gives a certain amount of tickets out to these kind of companies every year and then they sell them privately right so it's a bougie way of doing it and this was my punishment. This was the punishment for it. Gave him two grand and then so turns out he got two grand off 50 of us which is

30:49Vogue Williams:100 grand.

30:51Joanne McNally:And not only that but he put his parents house address down as his business address. So the night before Glastonbury when the people and some people some people did get their tickets off and this was a really confusing thing. Some people got functioning working tickets but Glastonbury didn't honour any of the tickets then. So even if you got your ticket off him, you weren't getting in. I know, you'd be raging, wouldn't you? So anyway, a couple of people go out. Ross, my friend, because he organised the ticket, I think he felt guilty, went out to the house. His parents' house, it was his mother's birthday.

31:18Joanne McNally:She's crying in the hall.

31:20Vogue Williams:Oh no.

31:21Joanne McNally:Grim. The mother takes her handbag, goes down to the police station to report her own son for fraud. The father's sitting in the hallway while people are queuing up and he's taking notes on how much money his son owes. Isn't that so sad? Something about the mother taking her handbag out in the car to tell the police really made me really sad.

31:41Vogue Williams:I mean, how could you do that to your parents? Like, to do it to people that you don't know, like people are bad people. They're frauds. They do stuff like that. But to do something like that to your parents and have people arriving at their house and they were probably older is just shocking.

31:58Joanne McNally:He says he owes the money to Albanian drug lords. Now, he's throwing the Albanians under the bus. Everyone's throwing someone under the bus here. He's like Frank Abagnale from Catch Me If You Can. He's full of shit. Well, I don't think he's as intelligent as Frank Abagnale, in fairness. Actually, that's true, yeah. Frank Abagnale surely wouldn't have put his parents' address to end his business address. That's not something Frank would have done. What an absolute pick. Also, then Ross and him, Ross, he's my friend, start up this kind of conversation. They're in communication. and then Ross rings him.

32:34Joanne McNally:He answers. Ross is like, where's the money? Where's the money? Ross records the phone conversation, puts it up on TikTok and then this guy, whose name is ***, messaged Ross and said, I've seen you record my phone conversation. Do you know that's illegal? This guy is teaching Ross the law and the morals of the whole thing. He's like, you could get in real trouble for that. You're not allowed to record phone conversations. You're not allowed to rob 100 grand.

32:58Vogue Williams:But you know what? I think there's loads of opportunists when it comes to Glastonbury because I was trying to get you a ticket off my cousin Killian. Killian wasn't scammed but a load of his friends had been scammed by this other girl. Same kind of deal. And they had tickets and then he had given his tickets to them.

33:19Joanne McNally:I'd be a terrible drug dealer because, well firstly we should be going to drug dealing because it's a very male dominated industry and it probably needs more women in us.

33:26Vogue Williams:We need to be more feminist about that.

33:28Joanne McNally:We do. It needs more women in it. But also, I would never kneecap anyone for cash. I'd be like, look, we'll work out a payment plan. Don't worry about it. If someone was like, my husband left me, I would take the bag for free.

33:40Vogue Williams:I wouldn't be able to keep tab of all of the outgoings. You would. You'd be all over it.

33:46Joanne McNally:I'd have to get Neil involved. Neil would have to get involved.

33:49Vogue Williams:I'd say, Neil, I don't know how much cocaine I'm supposed to put in this bag. Yeah. and I'd be like

33:55Joanne McNally:please use the new anxious preoccupied little baggy bags that I brought out with the little sandwich bag the tiny anxious preoccupied bags which for our drug dealing now it's all going to be heavily branded yeah heavily branded little metallic sandwich bags please and if you buy 10 bags you get one

34:11Vogue Williams:one free fake tan

34:13Joanne McNally:swipe up yeah swipe up for 20 % off girls 20 % off your streams

34:29Vogue Williams:I told you what I did with Spencer. I insisted on half, half, half with everything. And do I deeply regret it? You do. I do. He's held you to it. Yeah. Still a bloody half. I take it back.

34:41Joanne McNally:That is desperately sad.

34:46Joanne McNally:I posted a video of me on the last day of Glastonbury.

34:50Vogue Williams:Yeah.

34:51Joanne McNally:With the saying kind of like, this is how I've survived Glastonbury. and I had a couple of Craig Davids at that stage, which is double tequilas and pineapple juice. So I was a little squiffy, as Bridget Jones would say, even though I hate that term. And I posted the video and the amount of people riding underneath accusing me of being on drugs. It's like, it's, you know, it's all, yeah. They're like, look at your eyes, your eyes. I was like, I'm just pissed. I'd hardly do a lot of drugs and then put up a TikTok about it.

35:16Vogue Williams:Do you know what I mean? I saw that video of you and honestly, I was like, first of all, she looks like a supermodel on day four of Glastonbury I hate her guts I was like I can't tell you how many people I showed that video I was like look at this look at her this is day four I was like it doesn't make sense

35:34Joanne McNally:I pulled it off but do you want to see me after Wimbledon I was more hung over after our day in Wimbledon than I was after four days at Glastonbury

35:42Vogue Williams:I am I said to Joanne I was like that's it the next time I go to Glastonbury because obviously I had horrific FOMO and I'm definitely going the next time I was like if I even wake up and whinge once I'm just going to say what would Joanne do cop on to yourself and get out there have a double tequila

35:57Joanne McNally:and go online so everyone can accuse you of doing drugs yes you're going to get up you're going to mainline three Craig Davids you're going to get out and make a titty yourself that's what you're going to do and I'm going to love every second of it I can't wait you're going to love it but people love everyone who's at a festival everyone loves accusing them of being on drugs but then you mentioned a waste

36:16Vogue Williams:it's because it's the biggest insult it's like God what's wrong with you

36:19Joanne McNally:you're on drugs it's really yeah because it's really like you've let yourself you've lost control of yourself do you know what I mean it is it's quite the it's quite the heckle but Noel was saying that Noel my friend Noel Gallagher by the way there's an amazing podcast on BBC Sounds about the rise and fall of Oasis it's fucking brilliant highly recommend five stars anyway when I was listening to that they did Glastonbury and Noel did so much drugs he forgot that he was on and he was walking around the festival and someone was like you're on in an hour and he was so high he went no no I did it yesterday and they were like no you didn't you haven't done it but he was on mushrooms he said but he was saying that when he was walking through they'd just gotten really famous and they were big and they were like real like rock and roll like drink drugs alcohol all that stuff and someone was like look look he's even got cocaine in his hair and I was like how dare you that's psoriasis

37:11Joanne McNally:I know I was like we just love accusing people of doing drugs and I was like well and then I didn't post anyway That's psoriasis. Psoriasis. You go, so Terry, that's actually psoriasis. I was just watching the whole thing roll out and it was very exciting and very thrilling, but the whole ticket system was very stressful and I was like, I'm not getting involved. But now that the clips have started and I'm listening to the podcast and I'm seeing the tour start, now I'm like, I've big, not even phono, because I am going to miss out. I'm just mo.

37:41Vogue Williams:I've big mo. Oh no, you've got to try and get a ticket, but then there is the chance of... Well, to be honest with you, I tried to get Spenny another ticket because I'm still, I've got, I managed to get, I did get four tickets. I know I'm very lucky to have gotten four tickets but I had to give them to my siblings and I know that Spenny is going to be absolutely raging on the night in Dublin and we're like, bye, put them down at seven. Oh yeah, that's shit. No, but I can't. It's really difficult to try and get any more tickets.

38:07Joanne McNally:I need to go. Like, I, they're my, they're my ideal. Firstly, obviously I want to see Oasis but also, I am, I have an, I have an, I have, I am weak for a lad in a Ben Sherman shirt there is nowhere where there's going to be more Ben Sherman shirts shirting around than an Oasis gig you'll really miss out yeah you're right I need to get on do you know what I'll do I'll ask the concierge guy if he has any

38:33Vogue Williams:has any tickets going

38:35Joanne McNally:he's in prison now

38:37Vogue Williams:he's really changed his ways did you see Little brought out a parka like an Oasis parka and Aldi have called them Alda Alda A-L-D-E-H they've renamed themselves Alde the accent because that's how

38:51Joanne McNally:Liam and Noel would say Alde oh okay riding yeah they're riding the wave

38:55Vogue Williams:yeah I can't imagine we're going to ever find them in an Alde themselves but still they're riding the wave

39:01Joanne McNally:everybody's catching on to them this is the wastes are what Brat Summer was except bigger I think this is like it's their summer oh my god

39:07Vogue Williams:this is way bigger they are like but when are they when are they when are they playing till Joe like October or something like that yeah they're still into November they're playing in Brazil in November they're still going oh my god remember Madonna did that concert in Brazil and like she had a free concert and over a million people showed up yeah

39:23Joanne McNally:Lady Gaga did it as well she did her sound check or something I think it's something to do with pride well I think Lady Gaga

39:29Vogue Williams:actually had the most amount of people even more than Madonna and she's playing by the way Lady Gaga and it's on my birthday I'm just saying okay it's on my birthday

39:43do you want to go

39:44Joanne McNally:do you want to take it I didn't go I don't know

39:47Vogue Williams:I want us all to go to Lady Gaga I was slow to pick up on that I'll get us I'll get us tickets No no no no no Vogue No no no no no No because I I've got I've got a I got my present off Joanne and it's a really good present I got the I got the North Face jacket she got me and I got a really nice print that she got me so I'd rather you didn't get me the tickets because I know you'll get me something Vogue

40:09Joanne McNally:I got you that was your Christmas present that I delivered in July because that's how I roll

40:15Vogue Williams:It was amazing. It was a great present.

40:17Joanne McNally:Yeah.

40:18Vogue Williams:Yeah. Well, that's it for today. We're back. We are back. I'm thrilled to be back. I feel like invigorated. Do you know what I mean? I feel like I've had a break. Even though I've been doing other podcasts. It's not the same without you. No, thank you. Not the same. You knew I was excited to come back.

40:34Joanne McNally:You did. Yeah. She likes our little chirp faces.

40:37Vogue Williams:I do. I like spending time with you guys. Yeah, she does.

40:41Joanne McNally:She does. We have her in the bag, Jo. She'll never leave. Oh I'll never leave

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Like they were never away... Vogue & Joanne return with so much to talk about. How many times did Joanne go to Wimbledon? What really happened with the Glasto ticket and how does Vogue manage to work in Spain?

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