In short
Joanne McNally and Vogue Williams recap the 2024 BRIT Awards (performances, audience reactions, and tour-opening expectations), then riff on internet culture and celebrity controversies, including Jim Carrey “clone”/facelift speculation, “lux maxing”/bone smashing claims, and Benny Blanco’s “dirty feet” viral moment. They also discuss Lily Allen’s West End Girl tour length/production, share personal show-life rules (training on show days, venue treatment of women), and end with culture picks (Love Story on Disney+) and news (Adele divorce receipts; Katie Taylor as St Patrick’s Day grand marshal).
Guests
No guests appear in this episode; it’s hosted by Joanne McNally and Vogue Williams, with their support care animal Jo Attywell.
Key claims/examples
Harry Styles’ gym-at-6am discipline; women performers treated differently by venues; Lily Allen’s 45-min instrumental warm-up + full album; Jim Carrey looked “puffier,” sparking clone/facelift memes; men “bone smashing” and “microdosing crystal meth” claims; Benny Blanco’s shoeless, dirty feet on a podcast; Adele’s ex allegedly lost $140m due to infidelity evidence from Paris hotel CCTV and California infidelity breach.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOReflections on the Brit Awards
0:45 to 2:50
The hosts discuss their views on the Brit Awards and Harry Styles' performance.
“Obviously, I've had a nine-night run in the Olympia.”
Self-Reflection on Performance
2:50 to 6:00
Joanne shares her struggles with personal commitment to fitness around shows.
“Yeah, but he's running sub three marathons.”
Sexism in the Music Industry
6:00 to 9:20
The discussion turns to the different treatment of male and female performers.
“It's like, what books are you reading that you, this is your general way of speech?”
The Pressure of Live Performances
9:20 to 12:35
Joanne and Vogue share their experiences and insights on the pressure of performing live.
“So I think it's 45 minutes of string ensemble and then the album is 45 minutes so you can get your 90.”
Highlighting Lily Allen's Tour
12:35 to 14:00
The hosts discuss Lily Allen's tour and the challenges of early performances.
“Because then you'd be moving in and out of the tables and you'd be up the front.”
Reflections on the Brits
14:00 to 14:46
Discussion on the excitement and performances at the Brit Awards.
“And I was like, oh my God, this is sensational.”
The Illusion of Being a Star
14:46 to 15:18
Exploring the desire for fame and what it takes to be recognized.
“You should be watching on YouTube actually Joanne.”
CMAT's Unique Acceptance
15:18 to 16:02
A humorous take on CMAT's mock tears when losing an award.
“I was like, how can I win an actual Brit award and be like...”
Awards and Personal Experiences
16:02 to 16:42
Personal anecdotes about attending awards shows and their significance.
“Also, the Brits, I'm not being bad unless I was nominated and I mean, I can't see how I'm going to pivot into the music industry but look, I pivoted from playwright to comedy, you don't know.”
After Party Adventures
16:42 to 18:08
Describing the chaos and atmosphere of the after parties following awards.
“I'll get lumped in at you and I won't get invited back next year.”
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Champagne and Glam Gossip
18:08 to 19:25
Sharing the glamorous lifestyle and gossip from events.
“Alistair you are a lucky ducker that you took this ride because my friend I will be going home early we will be going to bed the dream he just did a lap of the block and collected you and you headed off home again.”
Fashion Critiques and Compliments
19:25 to 21:00
Funny fashion critiques and the awkwardness of receiving compliments.
“maybe nine bottles of champagne on the table and I was like, we're never going to get through that.”
Jim Carrey's Unexpected Transformation
21:00 to 22:48
Discussion on Jim Carrey's recent appearance and the rumors surrounding it.
Accusations and Theories
22:48 to 26:04
Exploring the internet's wild theories about Jim Carrey's looks.
“But anyway, now bearing in mind, Jim Carrey's been kind of out of the limelight for quite a while.”
Lux Maxing and Bone Smashing
28:16 to 30:34
Discussion on the bizarre trend of men altering their looks through extreme methods.
“But the outfit choice was confusing Over the knee shorts and thong flip-flops But he's gotten his money's worth out of those thong flip-flops I just can't Have you heard about this thing called Lux Maxing?”
Australian Tour Plans
30:34 to 31:34
Conversation about upcoming Australian and New Zealand tour, with ticket details.
“We're openly begging for them to send it to you so I won't have to, which is perfect.”
Benny Blanco's Feet Incident
31:34 to 33:50
A humorous discussion about Benny Blanco's unsightly feet during a podcast.
“I'm out in Australia, New Zealand for April, basically.”
Sharenting and New Parenting Trends
33:50 to 36:11
Exploration of the concept of sharenting and its cultural implications.
“As a clean freak, if his feet are that dirty and your feet are washed in the shower, there's something, I'd say, I just think he's smelly now.”
Adele's Divorce and Infidelity Revelations
36:11 to 42:10
Story of Adele's divorce proceedings and the shocking evidence of infidelity.
“I think I asked him to brush his teeth and he goes, fuck off.”
Adultery and Financial Consequences
42:10 to 43:14
Explore how infidelity affects asset division in California law.
“He cheated and used her money to fund the affair.”
Nostalgia and Song Lyrics
43:14 to 44:09
Reflect on the nostalgic power of song lyrics and personal memories.
“This is all very, is it Whitney Houston?”
Katie Taylor's Remarkable Role
44:09 to 45:33
Discuss Katie Taylor's new role and her family dynamics as a stepmother.
“I look so fucking cool Yeah you would And you would have Who wronged me?”
Preparing for the St. Patrick's Day Parade
45:33 to 46:24
Get ready for the St. Patrick's Day parade and discuss outfit choices.
“Yeah, so all the women are shining for the Dublin Marshall Parades.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:01Vogue Williams:This is a Global Player original podcast.
0:15Joanne McNally:Welcome to My Therapist Ghosted Me. As usual, it is myself, Joanne McNally, and herself, Vogue Williams, and our support care animal, Jo Attywell.
0:33Joanne McNally:Where do we even begin?
0:35Vogue Williams:Where do we begin? What are you drinking? Let me guess. I'll vote.
0:38Joanne McNally:Yep. And milk thistle.
0:40Vogue Williams:And milk thistle? Why are you sick? Are you sick?
0:44Joanne McNally:Yeah, sure. That's why. Obviously, I've had a nine-night run in the Olympia. It was, as you know, Vogue, very hard to stay in the straight and narrow pre-show, post-show, any time of the day, really, for myself. so I'm there was some drinks taken and I'm on the milk thistle do you know do you know okay so straight into it I was I don't say I don't I don't watch the Brit Awards I was reading around the Brit Awards and I was reading Harry Styles had a great performance I thought it was kind of weird and I liked it it made me feel strange and I enjoyed it okay but I was reading then about Harry Styles and the day of the performance basically my point is when I do shows I'm like oh I couldn't possibly do anything today.
1:30Joanne McNally:I have a show tonight. No one contact me. I'm 0000. I have a show. I couldn't possibly train, walk, exercise. I couldn't possibly do anything. I have a show tonight. Reading about Harry Styles like, oh yeah, he was in the gym 6am the morning of the show and I was like, I am a lazy piglet. I need to cop the fuck on. I need to stop giving myself an out for everything. I need to start moving my body, focusing on mobility, cheese strength training, protein intake, huell, thistle juice, whatever the fuck that is. Huell. Why have you took huell in? Okay, scrap huell, scrap huell. I don't know what huell is.
2:09Joanne McNally:I just mean I need to start taking some supplements and just start giving myself a pass and that like I don't need to physically move on the day of shows because it is an excuse. I'm aware it's an excuse. It's not good enough.
2:22Vogue Williams:Do you know what? I don't think that you need to be that hard on yourself because it is tiring doing shows. Your timing changes around those days. Do you have time to train? Yes. You do. You do. It's true.
2:35Joanne McNally:Yeah, and I appreciate the honesty and the, you know, no bullshit approach. If Harry's, no more than if Taylor Swift can get engaged, if Harry Styles can work out the days opening the Brit Awards, I'm pretty sure I can do a little squat.
2:52Vogue Williams:Yeah, but he's running sub three marathons. like Harry Styles is going to bed after the show. You are whining and dining your friends who are coming to the show. It's not your fault. And tell them to stop showing up. Like, fuck off. Except not me.
3:05Joanne McNally:I'm going to come back. Obviously, you're going to free pass. But like, sometimes I'll be like, OK, Mary, the tour manager, she'll be like, OK, I'll have the Fiat Punto, the engine on outside the stage door. We're just going to go, go, go, go. And I'll run off stage in the tracks and jump into the Fiat Punto and we take to the cobblestone streets of Dublin like the Italian mafia. But then, inevitably, someone says, I'm here can I come back and say hi after and I'm like of course I'd love to see you because I do want to see them and then of course we start drinking and blah blah blah blah blah
3:32Vogue Williams:poor Mary I say Mary's like great it's an early night tonight I know and you're just like
3:37Joanne McNally:not tonight Mary she goes then she goes yeah I don't make anyone wage around anymore do you remember the three arena
3:43Vogue Williams:when we just decided we owned it and we stayed till like three in the morning and one time you stayed even later than that
3:49Joanne McNally:well yeah but I do remember hearing that Post Malone like had a lock in there for three days or something mental. Shut up. Because I do think, and I will, and sexism is in the room. Sexism is in the room. I do find, and I'm not going to name names, but I do think I, as a female performer, and Vogue, you were on board with this in the Ghost of Tour, you are treated differently by venues. Some venues, not all, some venues, and you're like, if I was a male performer, they would never speak to me like that or they would never make those demands on me or they would never kind of cut me off at a certain hour.
4:21Joanne McNally:Whereas female performers who maybe aren't even doing the numbers, but they have more sway in venues. I have noticed that massively. So I push back.
4:31Vogue Williams:I kind of feel like that about men in general. I think it's, a lot of the stuff is very different. I just had an interesting chat there because I'm going over to an event next week in Dublin. And she said to me, she's like, I don't really want to ask you how you like juggle family life because I wouldn't ask a man that. But like, maybe. Because they don't. Yeah. And she was like, so I don't really want to ask that question. And I said, I don't mind you asking about my family, but like, that's quite nice that you're thinking along those lines. Finally, people are. It's like when, it's like when like Serena Williams is asked who she's wearing.
5:01Vogue Williams:It's like Serena Williams is like the greatest tennis player ever. Are you not just going to ask her about her goddamn tennis? It's like that woman in the Winter Olympics who I'm a big, massive fan of, I didn't go. And she basically is like, one journalist was like to her, do you think before you speak? because what you come out with is just so intellectually perfect. Like she just has the most... I'm always getting... I am forever getting that. They're like, can you dumb that down for us there? I know. And I'm like, that's... Between the two of them.
5:35Joanne McNally:Yeah. They have the IQ of an astrophysicist.
5:39Vogue Williams:But yeah, I love listening to her answer people back. And she did that thing about when someone said, how do you feel about going two silvers or something like that? and she's like, I'm the most decorated Olympian, blah, blah, blah in this sport. And I just, I love that she just, she's clever. And like her answers are so fascinating. It's so fascinating to watch somebody talk like that. It's like, what books are you reading that you, this is your general way of speech?
6:04Joanne McNally:Well, I'd say it's not the first time she's been nagged by a male journalist. I'd say she's got answers ready to go. And like the frustrating thing is as well, she's been asked these questions by a lad who probably can't even tie his own shoelaces. Do you know what I mean?
6:16Vogue Williams:Yeah.
6:17Joanne McNally:It's very easy to be critical of people who are doing something that you cannot do yourself. And we go to reviewer culture. Lily Allen's West End Girl Tour has started. It looks like a visual masterpiece. It's absolutely beautiful. I wasn't actually expecting that much production. I don't know why. This is only me reading on the internet. I haven't been yet. She started it in Glasgow. It's like some people are like, it's the best thing I've ever seen. Some people are like, it's a bit short. It's only 45 minutes. Blah, blah, blah. What? her whole show was 45 minutes well no because I think she does I think she's doing some instrumentals at the start of old songs like not old songs like songs of a previous album as is her right but I was saying I was reading around it and I was like well it's I would say as someone who also does shows my Pinafaa when I started Pinafaa's definitely longer now than when I started the tour last year and I think it's definitely better now than when I started the tour last year and so the problem is when people buy tickets to the first shows.
7:16Joanne McNally:They're so buzzing to go and they're probably the most enthusiastic people involved on the whole tour. But with that comes a little, you have to just understand that it's the start of a tour. And no matter how much rehearsals or whatever you do at the start, there's always going to be those little things to iron out. There's always, they're always going to be a little shorter. I remember when we started our Ghosted tour a couple of years ago and we started, we opened it in the Gaiety, do you remember? Yeah. And a woman messaged me and she was like, oh, felt it was a little short. And I was like, First, it's our opening night of something we've worked incredibly hard on.
7:50Joanne McNally:We've put a lot of production into. I think she actually called it a cash grab. And I was like, a cash grab? You've no idea how much money we put into making the show. It's not a cash grab. But people do. I just think it's important to remember that everything at the start, it's got little bits to iron out.
8:04Vogue Williams:Yeah.
8:05Joanne McNally:It's just the way it is with shows. It's just the way it is with live performance.
8:11Vogue Williams:As a music lover, and I adore going to gigs, and I really, really enjoy going to see an artist. If I went to see an artist and it was 25 minutes long, I don't think I would.
8:21Joanne McNally:Really? 45 minutes? But how long is the album? Because she was very clear. She was like, I'm singing, I'm going at her and I'm performing the album live. That's what this show is. It was never going to be like a greatest hits tour or anything like that.
8:34Vogue Williams:No, I know that. But like, if you look at, I'm not, listen, Taylor Swift is her own beast. But like, Taylor Swift is doing a three hour tour. That for me would be too much.
8:42Joanne McNally:Well, just in case I have it completely wrong, can you just Google Jo and just make sure? Because when I was reading it, I was like, that to me, opening night, I said what will happen is she'll kind of get more comfortable with it and she'll start chatting to the crowd more and it'll kind of flesh out that way. Or her director, whoever's director, will be like, actually, yeah, we could add something here or kind of flesh a little bit out. I just felt I just was like I think it's worth saying that at the start of a tour for me anyway it's always been the way the show is the show gets better as the tour goes on
9:15Vogue Williams:I agree with you there but I think 45 minutes is I wouldn't really be happy paying for a ticket that's something that's 45 minutes
9:20Joanne McNally:well I'm a big Lily fan so she could get up there and sneeze for 7 minutes and I give her a standing ovation it does say in the review
9:27Vogue Williams:that she it says she only comes on after 45 minutes of a string ensemble and then she delivers the album in full. Oh yeah, well that's a warm up. So I think it's 45 minutes of string ensemble and then the album is 45 minutes so you can get your 90. Yeah, you're getting your 90 and I actually kind of, as a fan of orchestral music as you guys know, God, we know that about you. I cannot get enough of the violin. Do you? She's always on.
9:56Joanne McNally:Oh, I was like, if she starts going on about orchestral music one more time. But okay, so I stand corrected. We're happy. Yes, we're happy. It was 45 of Instrumental, which is her gorgeous, delicious warm-up. And then she does 45 of basically sings the album. And the place looks absolutely stunning. The production's unreal. The set's beautiful. Yeah. Fair play, Lily. I can't wait to see it.
10:17Vogue Williams:I will definitely go and see it. Yeah. She's an incredible artist.
10:22Joanne McNally:She might ban us now after this. But I'm trying to... Well, she might ban you
10:26Vogue Williams:because you're going to have to pull on the wicket on her.
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10:31Vogue Williams:Solid 10 minutes out of Lily Allen. Loved it. Don't judge. Joanne loves Lily Allen so much that she's like, 45 minutes, perfect. Stop complaining. It's enough.
10:41Joanne McNally:She could stand up there dermablading her own face for seven minutes and leave and I'd be like, I loved it. Five stars.
10:49Vogue Williams:You know, she didn't turn up to the Brits.
10:54Vogue Williams:Well, she's saving her voice. I know, but she wasn't singing at the Brits. I kind of love her. She couldn't give a fuck. A fuck. What a nice way to be. There was a great joke as well. Jack Whitehall made about David Harbour in that. Oh yeah, I read that. Jack Whitehall's a great... He's a... Joanne, I think we have to go to the Brits next year. It was a lot of fun. Like compared to other awards ceremonies, it was... Like Jack Whitehall was so funny. I saw Harry Styles for the first time.
11:25Joanne McNally:What did you think of his performance? Now, I'm not a muse, though. But I have opinions, like I said.
11:30Vogue Williams:Okay, well, I have opinions, but I'm scared. I get in trouble for them. I think Harry Styles is a great performer. His song is brilliant. I don't love when he does choreography.
11:44Joanne McNally:I liked the dancing. I thought it was weird. But I thought it was intentionally weird. I couldn't look away. I liked the head moves, the weird gestures, the weird faces.
11:52Vogue Williams:Yeah. I liked the head stuff. I didn't like the dancing with the dancers behind him because it's like me. I only dance with half my body. no he's a better dancer obviously than me but I just think he is so cool that he should just be like the head thing was really cool in sync I loved it but I think him dancing on his in front of all the dancers outside of that was not my favourite because he's Harry Styles like he should just be going around owning the stage as he always does and just doing and doing his own personal dancing you know what I mean you gotta try something different you know
12:24Joanne McNally:you gotta grow you gotta evolve as an artist I loved it I did think it was it was unexpected I loved it the way he moved and he moved but his face was like I don't give a shit that I'm moving I just thought it was I liked it I really enjoyed it sorry
12:37Vogue Williams:what I will say is 10 out of 10 song 10 out of 10 ride yeah he's a very handsome man
12:42Joanne McNally:and look he's working out in show days so fair play to him before after Rosalia am I pronouncing it pronounced it Rosalia Rosalia apologies Rosalia Jo did you see this no I've not seen this no she won it best international act she's a Spanish singer she has a song called Burghine but it's what her performance at the Jo you have to watch it
13:04Vogue Williams:performance it was it was the performance of the night I haven't stopped she's in all my liked spotify's now she is so epic but the performance on the night was so amazing and then I was like I'm standing there with Amber and I was like watching it because like you're quite close to the stage it's really cool like I've never been to the Brits and it was like it was way better than I expected it to be because at the end of the day it's an awards show and they're quite long I just thought it was see I told you I
13:30Joanne McNally:I told you it was right to go in with the catering team, Vogue, didn't I? Because then you'd be moving in and out of the tables and you'd be up the front. And that's what you did. And fair play to you. I did. You serve the drinks. That's the best place to be.
13:41Vogue Williams:I absolutely would have done that. But she was, she was brilliant and she was singing. And then I was like, gosh, you know what? She sounds very Bjorky. And then all of a sudden I was like, is that Bjork? And it was actual Bjork on stage.
13:55Joanne McNally:Real life Bjork. She's back, baby. Yeah. Real life Bjork. And then she broke into a techno remix version of her song, Berghain and the lighting. And I was like, oh my God, this is sensational. I think it's one of the best things I've ever seen. Up there with Riverdance for me.
14:16Vogue Williams:But all the performances on stage were so good like that. Like hers was amazing. Mark Ronson was amazing. He had like Julepa popping up and he had all these famous people popping up. James Blunt was on stage, but it was just like, a mishmash of all these amazing Olivia Dean and oh my god Ray was on stage. Imagine you go to a concert and all those people are there. It was so cool.
14:46Vogue Williams:Are you watching on YouTube?
14:47Joanne McNally:No.
14:49Vogue Williams:Well you should be. You should be watching on YouTube actually Joanne. And if you are watching on YouTube please subscribe. Subscribe to The Folk.
15:03Joanne McNally:It's one of those, when I watch things like the Brits, and again, I'm sorry, full transparency, I don't watch. I just scroll, get the highlights, you know yourself. I'm like, I'd fucking love to be able to sing.
15:16Vogue Williams:Oh, do you know what, John? That's all I was thinking. I was like, how can I win an actual Brit award and be like...
15:22Joanne McNally:Because I'm that arrogant that I assume if I could sing a night, I'd be at the Brits. Opening or closing or middle.
15:28Vogue Williams:I think that is an important way to think about yourself. Like if you're going to do something, you're going to do it properly. Do you know who I thought was really funny? You know, CMAT. So CMAT was up for an award. And she didn't win, but she does this thing. Irish treasure.
15:43Joanne McNally:Treasure. What's it called? National treasure. Yeah.
15:46Vogue Williams:National treasure. She's brilliant. But she does this thing. And like when she doesn't win something, she'll pretend to cry. But it's like this thing between her and her fans that she just takes the piss out of the whole thing by just like like but she does it when she's sitting there so I think loads of people in
16:02Joanne McNally:the audience are like oh my god and I was like that is actually it's so brilliant I think that's a great idea take the piss but like I've always wondered about when you're not gonna if you're if you're not gonna win like that's why I wonder did Lily Allen know she wasn't gonna win and that's why she didn't go because do they know no I don't think that they know before but I think they might
16:20Vogue Williams:try and entice people to go but I just genuinely think Lily Allen is like you know I'm actually doing something that night so I cannot go.
16:29Joanne McNally:Also, the Brits, I'm not being bad unless I was nominated and I mean, I can't see how I'm going to pivot into the music industry but look, I pivoted from playwright to comedy, you don't know. I will be back.
16:39Vogue Williams:Are you mad? Joanne, don't say that out loud. I'll get lumped in at you and I won't get invited back next year. Do you remember,
16:45Joanne McNally:Geri, do you remember the British Podcast Awards and I was nominated, Avril Lavigne, the, Who Killed Avril Lavigne was nominated for the British Podcast Awards and I was invited, obviously I went I was hosting I was like oh they asked me to present some awards and I was like that's to make sure I go I think they even asked if I want how I would like my name engraved on the trophy oh my god I love that that's great yeah and I was like this is in the back spent 10 grand on hair and makeup obviously not that much so I've got to see exaggerating now I did get a nice getty image out of the day but yeah I mean I was I was lured in under false pretenses so less than words.
17:26Vogue Williams:Joanne, we need to, as you know, we need to update your online images so I think that you need to come to the, like Amber came to the British with me this year and we went with, Joanne, how do you say this car company? A-U-D-I. Audi. You say Audi.
17:43Joanne McNally:What do you say?
17:44Vogue Williams:I say Audi. I thought Irish people said Audi.
17:48Joanne McNally:Am I right or wrong? I don't know. Which is it?
17:49Vogue Williams:I don't know. No, Audi is right but I thought Irish people said Audi. so we went with them my god you want to see the American champagne so I got a car up and back with Alistair who was driving me Alistair struck gold because he was like now I'm your driver for the night so like 3, 4 in the morning if you want to come home I was like Alistair you are a lucky ducker that you took this ride because my friend I will be going home early we will be going to bed the dream
18:19Joanne McNally:he just did a lap of the block and collected you and you headed off home again. He'd be thrilled with himself.
18:24Vogue Williams:Well, what happened was after the Brits, I was like, I'm so hungry that I had to go home, order a pass to the hotel. And then we got changed to go to the after party. And we went to the after party and Gruber and Maladou were playing at the Warner after party. But honestly, I don't know if it's, it's not a social anxiety thing because I do like being out. I don't like being somewhere that is so busy that you can't like turn without touching someone. and it was, I don't know if it's like, if I was always like that. I think I used to like sweaty. It's age. Yeah, I think. It's age, it is age. I just decided, I went home after like half an hour, Amber was absolutely, Amber doesn't even remember.
19:04Vogue Williams:I sent her down to get my pasta while I was changing and she doesn't remember going down to get the pasta. I was like, Amber, pre or post show? This is post Brits, but I was like, I don't know if we can go to the after party unless she's smarting the fuck up.
19:19Joanne McNally:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some smelling salts for Amber, please. Some smelling salts. Yeah.
19:23Vogue Williams:But now there was, they had maybe nine bottles of champagne on the table and I was like, we're never going to get through that. We did.
19:31Joanne McNally:I love that we can send you into these events and you can bring us back kind of the glam gossip at all.
19:39Vogue Williams:Do you know what it is? Well, we're in our pajamas.
19:41Joanne McNally:It's the perfect setup.
19:44Vogue Williams:Well, can I just say, you're going to have to take a few of them on yourself now. I'm not doing all the work anymore we're like, that's a lot of work.
19:51Joanne McNally:Fine, I'll go to the Oscars. Fine. I don't even think of you a goody bag. Jessie Buckley was asking if I go to her plus one. I said, Jess, honestly, I wish you the best of luck, but I'm just not arsed. But I'll ring her now and I go, go on, I'll go with you, go on.
20:04Vogue Williams:Thank you, I'd appreciate that. You know Shabazz, who was on Instagram, I love him, I follow him. So he does this thing where he basically talks through people's outfits. Like he did it after the BAFTAs and he did it after the Brits and when he came up to me because I was talking to him on the red carpet and he goes, oh, look at you. You're giving disease. Was this the yellow or the black? The yellow. The yellow he was like, oh, the colour is disease. He kind of gets it spot on. He was saying about Harry Styles. He was like, I don't have to say disease now.
20:41Joanne McNally:No, it's a lovely dress. He only takes the piss. You know you have to take the piss. Liver failure, maybe I would have said. a bit of liver failure liver fluoro yellow
20:49Vogue Williams:yeah John DeCy but he said about Harry Styles that he looked like a car a car salesman and it would be a car that you'd break down in the motorway like five minutes later and you know Rosalia do you know what he said about her she's wearing this big she's wearing this big fluffy outfit and he was like she looks like dirty chickens from a battery farm and she just went in and was like I'll take them
21:09Joanne McNally:this man is going after the Joan Rivers crown do you remember Joan Rivers to the fashion police and she was the meanest woman alive I have to say I think Joan Rivers died in perfect time just before because her style of comedy was like so on the nose and so funny but like super bitchy and
21:25Vogue Williams:I think we need that though I think that we I love it people were complimenting me yesterday I was talking to people yesterday and this person like complimented me three times in a row and I swear to God I felt so awkward like I just was like I know it's difficult I'd rather somebody call me disease I know I just think that I'm like I can't
21:48Joanne McNally:bear it I know I'm the same although I have to say I'm very good now at saying thanks because like ultimately when someone compliments your top I just say thanks I go yeah it's cool isn't it because like I obviously think it's cool because I bought it I didn't make it you know I'm not saying thanks I didn't like invent the top I'm just like oh yeah thanks I made a good choice in this top I agree I made some good decisions anything professionally now has new the professional compliments would have me now bowled over in pain and trying to scrub my insides with a brillo pad but clothes and hair and stuff I'm happy to take speaking of is this a segue?
22:25go on what is this?
22:28Joanne McNally:how will I segue? I'm excited twist it up compliments someone who wasn't getting compliments this week was Jim Carrey bang she's done it
22:39Vogue Williams:that was very good thank you
22:42Joanne McNally:yeah Well he was getting some strange compliments and some accusations Jim Carrey
22:48Vogue Williams:Do you know that this story has gone so far that I'm talking about it on Lorraine tomorrow for the entertainment station Oh for God's sake So thanks for doing the research with me today Joanne I'll use some of the No problem Some of the jokes you say I'm going to say them tomorrow because they'll come out on Wednesday Yours won't come out until Friday This is my intellectual property vote I will do No let me get my notepad Go on Tell us Well Jim Carrey I ain't gonna try and say one on air
23:16Joanne McNally:he won an award he was being nominated sorry he was being celebrated getting some awards at the Caesar awards in France nothing to do with the salad he can have that one
23:27Vogue Williams:and he sorry nothing to do with the salad salad nothing to do with the salad I'm gonna try and get that in I'm gonna screen record it and send it to you say you and I
23:39Joanne McNally:have been nominated for the Cobb Awards if you wanted to do a gag there, you can have that. Okay. With a caprese. Caprazy. Caprazy, yeah. But anyway, now bearing in mind, Jim Carrey's been kind of out of the limelight for quite a while. He kind of semi-retired a couple of years ago.
23:58Vogue Williams:He's been saying a few strange things though.
24:00Joanne McNally:Well, he's gone spiritual is what Jim has done. He's gone spiritual and he kind of disappeared and he was like, look, I'm not into the celeb life anymore. I've had enough and I want to go off and just paint and be spiritual. and unless some script is like written in 24 karat gold and I feel like the story needs to be told to the world, maybe then I'll come back. A couple of years later, he was the voice of Sonic the Hedgehog 3, which of course he got a little bit of jibing for, but he said, hey, I need the money, which I appreciate. We like honesty. Because that's basically why most people do most things.
24:28Joanne McNally:So we haven't seen him in a while. So, you know, let's bear in mind, you know, people age and their faces change. Anyway, he turned up at the Caesar Awards, did a speech and was interviewed after on the red carpet and there has been accusations as there always is with the internet because there's not a sense of critical thinking on the internet but he because he looked a little different a little fuller in the face a little the nose was a little broader the natural journey is he's been replaced by somebody it is a conspiracy theory and there is it's a clown it's a clown someone is impersonating Jim because he obviously couldn't be arsed going himself I mean, Jim doesn't have a lot going on.
25:08Joanne McNally:I'd say he'd go.
25:09Vogue Williams:It's the only explanation. And if Putin is doing it, which I heard he does do, allegedly, not that Putin's going to come and sue me. He's in a bit of hot water himself. Okay, take the allegedly back. Putin has people that he sends off to like lookalikes and stuff like that. Aren't they all on it? The dictators are on it. So why shouldn't Jim Carrey do it?
25:28Joanne McNally:Well, apparently Jim made a comment years ago. I think he used a decoy years ago. he said he was leaving a restaurant he sent someone out to kind of get the paparazzi off so obviously people have dug this up and said but it's like the man has the Pinot Puff like if anyone if anyone recognises Pinot Puff it's me I was like he has the Pinot Puff he sleeps facing down like myself all he needs is an antihistamine and some nice and a bit of Jade Roland and he'll look like himself again
25:55Vogue Williams:I have to be honest with you I don't agree with you there I don't think he has the Pinot Puff I think what's happened here is he's after having some kind of a facelift. He hasn't allowed for the downtime. Like, what's his name? Bradley Cooper. Remember Bradley Cooper came out and then he started looking like that other fella. Hadn't had the downtime. And so he hasn't let the face settle. The problem with men is women seem to, like, you look at Kris Jenner, women seem to take surgery. But just, women, men age probably, they get away with it more than women. But when they try to reverse it, it doesn't work as well as it does with women.
26:31Vogue Williams:Like, Benicio Del Toro, I said he was a ride at the BAFTAs but like he had really dyed hair and I just find men dyeing their hair. It's really hard to strike that balance because you can just it's so noticeable or something it just doesn't look right. I knew a lot he used to use shoe polish on his hair. God love him.
26:46Joanne McNally:But anyway Jim Carrey so the accusations of the clone and everything they range from genuine suspicion to meme theatre which are just like hilarious or whatever but like I say Jim Carrey does not strike me as the kind of person who would get a facelift. He just seems to he's kind of he's holistic
27:05Vogue Williams:I feel like
27:06Joanne McNally:no one holistic
27:06Vogue Williams:gets facelifts it feels facelifty to me I mean but I personally don't think he looks that different to be honest with you if no one else has picked up on it I probably wouldn't have
27:14Joanne McNally:he looks like maybe he's had he looks like he enjoys a late night whiskey he's a man who isn't going to do anything to his face he's a little a little puffier in the face and remember the nose never stops growing
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28:15Joanne McNally:There was a video going around and I'm sorry about Bunny But the outfit choice was confusing
28:20Vogue Williams:Over the knee shorts and thong flip-flops But he's gotten his money's worth out of those thong flip-flops I just can't Have you heard about this thing called Lux Maxing? No. So there's men on the internet who are basically doing things to maximize the looks that they already have. One thing I've heard that they're doing, it's called bone smashing. So they literally are taking like little hammers to their face and they're reshaping the bones on their face to like give them a bit of a cheekbone. Like imagine, look at your nose. I'll just take the tip off
28:59Joanne McNally:I hate to bring I hate to fact check you I really do because I don't like to be fact checked either but are you suggesting that men are taking hammers to their own face and just beating the shit out of themselves in the hope that they turn out hotter
29:11Vogue Williams:their panel beating their face just go and look it up Jo their panel beating the face I'm telling you they look in the face and they say do you know what just give me a little like if I could whack up the old cheekbones you know what I mean they're just doing little and also there's another thing that they're doing, which is called, well, it's called drug use. I've written it down as. Oh, yeah. So they're microdosing crystal meth. So, now, I'm not saying this is all men, but it's a thing that's happening on the internet. Hashtag not all men. Go on. Can't wait. Crystal meth. So they're microdosing crystal meth because it's giving them the hollow cheekbone look.
29:50Vogue Williams:Are you looking up the phone, Smashing Joe?
29:52Joanne McNally:Mike, I'm sorry now. Sorry there's a lot of fact checking to be done
29:56Vogue Williams:I'm trying to do it in order I know Joanne says she doesn't like being fact checked It's fairly widely reported that Jim Carrey Has said many times he doesn't drink alcohol So that we need to probably consider
30:04Joanne McNally:Oh well then it's a clone Sorry that was the only excuse For a face that puffy I can't Pinot face whiskey
30:14Vogue Williams:Joanne for God's sake
30:16Joanne McNally:That's what I'm going to Pinot puff girl that's what I am
30:20Vogue Williams:And bone smashing yeah that exists that's the thing that we like you wow
30:25Joanne McNally:wow they're just kicking the shit out of their own face I mean would you not just save up the cash and get a facelift
30:36Joanne McNally:can I talk about my Australian New Zealand tour
30:39Vogue Williams:please for a sec only if I can ask you something first and I'm not going to allow you to promote those tours on here anymore unless you promise to bring me back this outfit from a shop called Dish in Australia I know you're going to be there for a couple of weeks loads of time to go over and I would appreciate that. Thank you.
30:54Joanne McNally:Go on.
30:55Vogue Williams:Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dish, I'll do that. I'll send you a picture.
30:59Joanne McNally:Yeah, yeah. Obviously now we're begging. We're openly begging for them to send it to you so I won't have to, which is perfect. No, no.
31:06Vogue Williams:I followed them and everything. I went in when I went to the jungle and I got loads of stuff but now I'm like, oh my god, I want that but I don't want to pay the import fees. And I was like, my friend Jermaine is on tour in Australia.
31:16Joanne McNally:Get in touch. I'm going to come in. I'll be like one of those people who will demand the shop is shut down for my visit and they'll be like, who are you? You absolute loser. I'll be like,
31:26Vogue Williams:it'll get you out of the house. You said you wanted to start doing stuff when you were on tour. I do. I do.
31:33Joanne McNally:So obviously, I'm out in Australia, New Zealand for April, basically. And we've just added three last shows and that's it. So the shows are selling well. Thank God. So thanks to everyone who bought tickets. So places that I have, there's some tickets left for Wellington on the 16th of April. And we've also added a Melbourne on the 12th of April and I've added a Perth, a 6.45pm show on the 23rd of April and a 6.45pm Extra Sydney on the 29th of April.
32:04Vogue Williams:That's my, I think that's my, I think that's an ideal time. It's an ideal time.
32:09Joanne McNally:Yeah, yeah. So we've squeezed in some earlies because I can't stay either, I can't stay, I can't go earlier or stay later in the month. So we're squeezing in some earlier shows on the days of other shows because I love you and I'm willing to do that. I'm willing to double drop.
32:23Vogue Williams:Well, you can't go out in the days that you're double dropping so just make sure there's a little bit of time to go shopping for moi.
32:28Joanne McNally:Of course. Of course. I'll be like two shows and I can't possibly do anything. I can't possibly do anything. Don't even open the curtains.
32:37Vogue Williams:Do you want to hear about my favourite thing I've seen on the internet this week? Is it Benny Blanco's feet? Oh, fucking hell. That was another thing. Jesus Christ. Let's talk about his feet first. Honestly, the rudeness of that. He's blaming the venue.
32:50Joanne McNally:Benny Blanco Selena Gomez's husband who is a bit eccentric I would say has started a podcast and they're obviously filming it and it's a new studio and he had his feet up on the couch shoeless and his feet look like he has basically wandered out of a forest or that he's been raised by wolves for the last 10 to 15 years they were fairly dirty now listen I'm not a hygiene freak but if I thought my feet were going to be on camera and I know what it's like to be foot shamed remember those photos of me in Greece it ended up on my footopedia or whatever it's called. Because I hadn't managed to get a pedigure in time.
33:24Joanne McNally:Sorry, sorry, sorry. And it brought down my rating completely. So I understand what it's like to be foot changed. But come on now, Benny.
33:32Vogue Williams:Benny Blanco's feet and they were not just trotters that had been walking around a dirty floor for five minutes. They were like, well, no, no, no. They were well worn feet. And also, he was sitting there on that podcast, by the way, farting. Imagine I sat here and just started farting in front of you two. He is just, I think he's a bit,
33:49Joanne McNally:That's, yeah, he's a bit, it's a bit, it's all a bit, it's all a bit frat boy, isn't it? It's all a bit teenage.
33:56Vogue Williams:As a clean freak, if his feet are that dirty and your feet are washed in the shower, there's something, I'd say, I just think he's smelly now. Now I'll always think there's that smelly man.
34:08Joanne McNally:Listen, she's mad about him and, you know, she obviously sees something we don't see. It was very much like when Cher did the interview with Dax Shepard and Kirsten Bell, Kirsten Bell, Kirsten Bell, which is a joke. Kristen Bell and Cher looked Jack Shepard up and down like he was a bin bag and said, she obviously sees something in you I don't see. And it was quite uncomfortable because she meant it. It was very clear she meant it. So listen, Celine obviously sees something Benny Blanco. But I would recommend, I mean, if you're a videographer on a shoot, like if I worked with a shoot, someone would be like, the stylist, someone's like, would you rub a cloth
34:42Vogue Williams:over that foot there? You can't just, like someone was, someone was looking at those feet and I wouldn't want those feet on my cage either. Sorry, they're filthy. Filthy. Anyway, that's not who I was talking about. My favourite person on the internet this week was someone called At Sometimes Nike. So she is an influencer and she was on that page, you know, influencers in the wild. Oh, yeah. I dread the day I show up on that. Throwback. So she basically has set up an Instagram page and it's called Naturally Baby Teami. Mommy, Is that me? She's put up a picture of herself pregnant looking in the mirror and she's pretending to be the unborn child.
35:26Vogue Williams:And the child is saying, Mommy, is that me? And then the mother is writing back saying, Of course, it's you, my princess. What? I'm at my... What? So the mom has set up this Instagram page. She's pregnant. She takes a picture of herself in the mirror pregnant. And then she set it up in the baby's name as if it's the baby's Instagram page. Then the baby asks the question, the baby in the womb. Oh, for God's sake. Says, says, mommy, is that me? And then the mom writes back and says, of course it's you, my princess.
35:55Joanne McNally:I understand people being excited for having kids, but can we just rein it in? I don't want to listen to the, I don't want to listen to your feeders chatting to me through an Instagram account. Mommy, it's me. Is that me? I can't. There's a term called sharenting. Have you heard this term? Sharenting? Where people share? Yeah.
36:15Vogue Williams:Parents sharing. Hang on, we've got trouble here. Speaking of which Hello darling Right on cue No mind your handies You want to see What he was saying to me yesterday Fuck Fuck
36:29Joanne McNally:Is that fuck In a really English accent I love it He told me to fuck
36:33Vogue Williams:He told me to fuck off yesterday In the right context In the right context What do you mean Right context As in like you did something Deserving of clean towel
36:41Joanne McNally:To fuck off Smart baby What did you do In fairness I did deserve it Yeah
36:45Vogue Williams:You called me out
36:46Joanne McNally:my shit.
36:47Vogue Williams:I replied to him. I think I asked him to brush his teeth and he goes, fuck off.
36:55Joanne McNally:Well, this is very encouraging because you know what they say, the more you swear, the smarter you are. You're building a rain man over there. I love it.
37:04Vogue Williams:You're not meant to do anything, but I had to record that video to send it to Amber. But you're meant to ignore it. But like when he's downstairs saying fuck's sake and stuff, I'm literally like, I can't even look at him. Where do they get it? well where do you think he got fuck's sake who says fuck's sake all the time you yes yes yeah yeah yeah yeah theodore and gg no bad words so and they'd never say it like tt was ratting someone out yesterday he was like this boy in reception he said fuck off and and i was like does he get in trouble no it was after school and he went and as he walked out he sold he told three different
37:37Joanne McNally:families about this boy did you ever see that video that went around it was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. I think it was a nativity play and there was a little girl and she took the microphone and she was like, everyone in my class is really sweet. Do you remember this video? No. Except for one little boy and then everyone just grabs the mic off her and she just walks off waving and she was about to just go Chernobyl on one lad in her class. Everyone in my class is like, one little boy and she's her little finger up. I was like, she's going to put this four-year-old on blast in front of the whole school.
38:13Joanne McNally:Fair play. I was like, this is how I flirted as a kid, so they'll probably end up getting married.
38:25Joanne McNally:I'm still just kind of enjoying thinking about Wuthering Heights, to be honest.
38:29Vogue Williams:Stop, I haven't watched it. I still haven't seen it.
38:32Joanne McNally:Ugh.
38:41Vogue Williams:Oh my God, sorry. Can we just do a little culture pocket or corner, whatever we call it? Yeah. Who has watched on Disney Plus, it's called Love Story. It's about Carolyn and John F. Kennedy Jr. And it is... Have you seen it? Stunning. You've seen it? I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen it yet. You're so lucky. There's five episodes. They come out on Fridays. It is like, I started watching it on the way to Manchester and I finished it by the time I was getting back and it was just... Oh, great. It's the kind of, I was trying to take my phone out when I was getting my makeup done and I was like, that's a bit rude.
39:20Vogue Williams:Just stop watching it. But it's so addictive to watch. Oh, that's mine for the week.
39:25Joanne McNally:I love a love story. I love a love story. Well, so my culture corner, I haven't been yet, but when I go, I will tell you, I booked a single ticket Single woman day eight To go and see Cynthia Erivo In Dracula In the West End I booked a little matinee For myself She plays all the roles And 20 ,000 lines she has What? It was recommended to me By Louise O 'Neill She was saying The first opening night There was a bit of They were saying That she was kind of Struggling with some of the lines I'm like yeah Because she's 20 ,000 of them But apparently now She's nailed it So I can't wait That's a nice little date For yourself Isn't it?
40:01Joanne McNally:Yeah Good afternoon G &T And me Just me and Cynthia Just me and Cynthia
40:05Vogue Williams:I kind of I don't know And this is mean of me Because I think it's just Off that wicked press tour I'm a bit like Ooh I don't know No
40:12Joanne McNally:She's phenomenal
40:13Vogue Williams:Can I just say I did meet her at the BAFTAs Like three years ago And she was very nice
40:18Joanne McNally:Yeah
40:18Vogue Williams:It was before her It was before her wicked stuff She's an artiste Do you know what popped up On my Instagram today Me You and Jo Of course You pop up Not Jo Don't see Jo very often Adele basically you know Adele the singer like Adele no who? I mean I don't even know she doesn't have a second name just Adele just Adele
40:41Joanne McNally:do you remember when I was due to go and see her in the sphere in LA and she called in sick yes
40:46Vogue Williams:do you remember? but sure you were having a ball at U2 at your pal Dave Grohl
40:50Joanne McNally:we went to U2 then yeah yeah yeah we went to U2 then yeah yeah yeah we did
40:54Vogue Williams:so Adele I do love it I love a divorce story like when you when someone's trying to do you out of something and then they don't win. So Adele, when she was getting divorced from her husband, Simon Konecki, they were married for seven years. They have a child together. So he asked for half of her$380 million fortune of money. In the words of our great philosopher, Otto, fuck off. Yeah, fuck. Fuck off. So her team were preparing to pay. I love this story. Her team were preparing to pay him$190 million. Then she had a forensic accountant and he found a receipt. Yeah, a receipt that changed everything.
41:41So it was from, it was, will I start whispering?
41:44Vogue Williams:Does that make it sound better? It was from 2017. His credit card, he used it at a hotel restaurant in Paris. But do you know what? Adele wasn't in Paris. She was in London recording that week. And so what the investigators then did was pull the hotel CCTV and found him checking in with a woman, staying for three nights, using their joint account to pay for the getaway. He cheated and used her money to fund the affair. Now, California law. Is there a CCTV from that long ago? Jo, don't ruin my story.
42:20Joanne McNally:It's Adele. Yeah, Jo. She can turn back time.
42:25Vogue Williams:That's Cher. But Adele, maybe she could too.
42:31Vogue Williams:They both can, collaboratively. Well, come here to me. The reason that they could do this is because in California, they have an infidelity breach. And so if one person commits adultery and uses community funds, they forfeit their right to equal asset division. So basically, they have the receipts for it. And he spent$47 ,000 on his affairs. And so he didn't get 50-50. Now he's still, he's still got 50 million, but he was due 190 million. So he lost 140 million because he's a dirty fucking dog. And I hope he has to pay tax.
43:08Joanne McNally:If I was having an affair with Adele's husband, I expect more than 47 grand spent on me considering how much money he has access to. That's my take from it. Cheap bastard. This is all very, is it Whitney Houston? What's that song where she goes to the receipts? It's not right, but no. Yeah. Friday night you and your boys went out to eat
43:32Joanne McNally:Then they hung out And you came home around three Yes you did If six of y 'all went out Then five of you were really cheap Cause only two of you had dinner I found your credit card receipt Yeah you always got to keep an eye on the lads don't you?
43:51Vogue Williams:You know what a loser I am I remember when that song came out It was before I owned a car And my dream was To have like A convertible car So I could listen to that song On full volume With my friends driving around Who wronged you? I look so fucking cool
44:11Joanne McNally:Yeah you would And you would have
44:12Vogue Williams:Who wronged me? My dad He got me a Skoda Fabulous saloon In burnt orange
44:18Joanne McNally:Love Where is it? Iconic but when that witness document you're like this is so these lyrics are so specific do you know when you're like this is like she's actually reading from her diary like she's not even pretending to kind of dress it up so Vogue I got quite the fright today okay I was spinning through the papers ticking through the headlines and I saw Katie Taylor named Grand Marshal of St. Patrick's Day Parade and I went oh my god Vuj has been sacked already scandalous genuinely got a fright and then it went in the US and I was like oh thank god her role is safe her role is safe
45:01Vogue Williams:are you telling me there's a spot for me
45:03Joanne McNally:in the US next year I didn't know Katie Taylor lives in Cape Cod with her husband who's a widower and with five his five children Jesus Katie fair play I didn't know that sorry and so Katie Taylor the boxer the boxer yeah yeah really she's married to a man whose wife obviously passed away and so she's the stepmother to five children I'm going to I'm going to she loves him very much that's quite the undertaking
45:29Vogue Williams:that's what I say to Neil I'm like Jesus Christ she must really love my mother it's a lot she seems like a lovely person I like her even more now
45:39Joanne McNally:that she would do something like that I know I know I know they're obviously very special kids well I wish her well we wish her well as a fellow grand marshal we've you in Dublin and we've Emma Dabbery in London. Do you know Emma Dabry? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't touch my hair. Yeah, so all the women are shining for the Dublin Marshall Parades. No men.
45:57Vogue Williams:No men that I can see. Oh my God, I'm so excited. It's a bit, like I, I still don't know what I'm fully wearing yet. I think I'm going to wear like a really nice Paul Costello jacket. I have to wear Irish.
46:07Joanne McNally:You've got to wear Irish. Imagine you're rocked up in Alexander Wang. It's like, no, no, no. Read the room. Read the room. Yeah. Just an Alexander McQueen,
46:17Vogue Williams:just like a British flag dress.
46:19Joanne McNally:yeah yeah yeah the union dress flag that Jerry Hollywell wore in the Spice Girls perfect that's what I'm wearing that's what I'm wearing get it girl
46:31Vogue Williams:thank you everyone for listening that was I thought I've had a great time guys and I hope you have all had a great time listening and do subscribe to our YouTube and want to listen to Rosalie again
46:40Joanne McNally:I mean it like what a tune it like to say it'll make you want to hit the town it'll make you want to hit the town
47:12Vogue Williams:This has been a Global Player original production.
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