


The 10th anniversary of the first direct detection of gravitational waves, explaining how Einstein’s predictions led to LIGO’s laser interferometer breakthrough and what it enables for testing strong gravity and studying black hole/neutron star mergers.
Cole Miller (University of Maryland; co-wrote a Nature review on the discovery). Also referenced: Joseph Weber (early detector ideas, University of Maryland), Rainer Weiss (MIT; detector work), and Nobel laureates Ray Weiss, Barry Barish, Kip Thorne.
Gravitational waves are tiny spacetime distortions from accelerating masses; direct detection required extreme precision; the 2015 LIGO signal matched expectations for two spiraling black holes.
Einstein’s 1916/1918 gravitational-wave papers with errors; indirect evidence from 1974 pulsar timing of neutron-star binaries; LIGO’s L-shaped 4 km arms; GW150914 (Sept 14, 2015) detected by Hanford and Livingston; future detectors like Virgo, KAGRA, and space-based LISA.
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“This detection was the climax of a cosmic dance between two black holes.”
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“when a certain Albert Einstein predicted that gravitational waves might exist.”
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“and he published papers saying they do exist.”
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“Getting a direct detection of gravitational waves was a whole different ballgame for physicists.”
Examine the implications of detecting gravitational waves on our understanding of the universe.
“And what do two colliding black holes sound like?”
Look ahead to the future of gravitational wave detection and its potential discoveries.
“Cole thinks that our ability to detect gravitational waves will help researchers to answer many questions about the universe.”

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1:27Benjamin Thompson: Hi listeners, Benjamin here. This week marks the 10th anniversary of a momentous moment in science. The detection of gravitational waves. This detection was the climax of a cosmic dance between two black holes. After spending an eternity spiralling closer and closer to each other, eventually these black holes merged, a cataclysmic event that sent ripples in space-time across the universe that were detected by the LIGO facilities in the US.
2:07Benjamin Thompson: This detection was the culmination of a story that began over 100 years ago when a certain Albert Einstein predicted that gravitational waves might exist. Back in 2019, I spoke to Cole Miller from the University of Maryland in the US, who'd co-written a review in Nature about the discovery of gravitational waves. To mark the anniversary, we're rebroadcasting an edited version of this podcast, which began with Cole explaining how the story got off to a bit of a bumpy start.
2:49Cole Miller: Einstein came up with the final version of his general theory of relativity in 1915. Just the next year, he came up with the thought about whether there could be waves related to gravity. Remarkably, though, Einstein made some significant mathematical errors in that first paper, and even a corrected version in 1918 had errors, and he had conceptual problems with it one way or the other. He published papers saying that gravitational waves don't exist, and he published papers saying they do exist. So it was really only in the 1950s where people really accepted that gravitational waves were real things, but detecting them was another story.
3:33Benjamin Thompson: According to Einstein's general theory of relativity, each time two objects orbit each other, the system loses a fraction of its energy, which radiates out as gravitational waves. Removing energy like this brings the objects a tiny bit closer together and makes their orbit a tiny bit faster. As gravitational waves only deform spacetime a tiny amount, they're difficult to directly detect. The first indication of their existence actually came indirectly via the discovery of a pair of orbiting neutron stars. This binary system was identified back in 1974. One of the stars in the pair is a pulsar, a type of neutron star that fires out flashes of electromagnetic radiation with clockwork precision.
4:22Cole Miller: Pulsars are such extraordinarily good clocks that it's possible to measure an orbital shrinkage on the order of a millimeter per day. And with that type of precision, even though it will take hundreds of millions or sometimes billions of years for these systems to finally coalesce and merge, it is possible to see the gradual reduction in the orbit by careful pulsar timing over years to decades.
4:47Benjamin Thompson: Accurate measurements of the two orbits of the stars show that they are slowly getting closer together, which is exactly what you would expect if gravitational waves exist. But this was an indirect detection. Getting a direct detection of gravitational waves was a whole different ballgame for physicists. To detect the subtle presence of these waves required a detector of exquisite precision.
5:09Cole Miller: Nonetheless, people starting with Joseph Weber, who was a professor at the University of Maryland, and carrying on with a number of people, notably Rainer Weiss at MIT, began to think about the prospects. And the method that ultimately became successful used lasers.
5:27Benjamin Thompson: The observatory that picked up gravitational waves as they washed over the Earth was the Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory, better known as LIGO, which is based in the US and is part of a global network of interferometers that includes the Virgo facility in Italy and the soon-to-be operational Kagura detector in Japan. Now, LIGO is actually a pair of detectors. Each detector is an L shape with a pair of arms four kilometers long. A laser is fired into the L and split into two. The split beam travels down to the ends of the arms before bouncing back off mirrors to where they originated.
6:07Benjamin Thompson: Normally the time it takes for the two laser beams to reach the ends of the arms and back is exactly the same. So they strike and cancel each other out. But when gravitational waves pass through LIGO, they stretch space-time, which makes tiny alterations to the lengths of the arms. This changes the timing of the laser beams, which then no longer cancel each other out, producing a signal that can be detected. LIGO, one of the US National Science Foundation's most expensive projects, began searching for gravitational waves when it first opened in 2002. But it wasn't until the observatory had had some upgrades to make it more sensitive that researchers struck gold.
6:47Cole Miller: On September 14, 2015, a signal was discovered which lasted only a couple tenths of a second. And this signal showed clear oscillation in space-time seen by the two LIGO detectors, one in Hanford, Washington, the other in Livingston, Louisiana, which are about 3 ,000 kilometers apart. And this looked absolutely like what people expected to find if two black holes or to spiral together.
7:16Benjamin Thompson: The event, with the catchy title of GW150914, captured the last spirals of these two black holes as they orbited closer and closer, whirling around each other many times a second, releasing more gravitational waves until they smashed together, sending a blast of waves across the universe. Sometimes in science, the stars, or maybe in this case, I suppose, the black holes align, and luck is on your side. LIGO technically wasn't in full research mode. That was due to commence a few days later, but crucially, it was ready.
7:53Cole Miller: The chances of seeing something as strong as was seen were not good. The community got extremely lucky to see it this well. It's almost as if the universe was waiting to show off when the LIGO detectors were ready.
8:07Benjamin Thompson: And what do two colliding black holes sound like? Here's the signal that LIGO detected, converted into frequencies that are easier for us to hear. And here it is once more, just in case you missed it. Well, all right, that might be a bit underwhelming in audio form, but this was an enormous moment for science. Rayna Weiss, Barry Barish and Kip Thorne shared the 2017 Nobel Prize for Physics for their work on the detection of gravitational waves. At the ceremony, West gave credit to the hundreds of other scientists from institutions around the globe whose work allowed the detection to happen. And the discovery has given researchers an insight into the general theory of relativity put forward by Albert Einstein over 100 years ago.
8:56Cole Miller: It's important to remember that, of course, general relativity, Einstein's theory of gravity, has passed every test that has been put to. However, in distinction to our series of other fundamental forces, gravity is very difficult to test. It may not seem obvious to you if you happen to trip and fall, but gravity, as we experience it, is really, really weak. When you're thinking about the type of gravity that would be involved in black holes or their lesser-known cousins, neutron stars, These are so strong that it is entirely possible that the true nature of gravity is different from what Einstein suggested, but that the differences only show up that gravity is very strong.
9:37Cole Miller: Observing gravitational waves from black holes merging gives us direct access to this strong gravity nature, and Einstein is still doing very well, by the way.
9:47Benjamin Thompson: Being able to detect gravitational waves gives physicists a new way to probe the universe. But the LIGO detection was just the first step. To date, several more black hole mergers have been catalogued, as well as collisions between neutron stars. Cole thinks that our ability to detect gravitational waves will help researchers to answer many questions about the universe.
10:10Cole Miller: We expect to learn tremendous things about physics. We're going to have many more of these events. We'll learn more about gravity. We'll learn more about neutron star mergers. What are neutron stars made of? what is in their centers. These are puzzles that have to be resolved by astronomical observations. And it's something that is going to be going on at an accelerated pace as the sensitivity of detectors increases, but also as other types of detectors come up.
10:46Benjamin Thompson: In addition to upgrades to current detectors, new ones are being designed and built, But not just here on Earth. In the 2030s, researchers are looking to space with the Laser Interferometer Space Antenna, or LISA, mission. LISA will send up a trio of probes that will sit millions of kilometres away from each other and usher in an era of even more sensitive detection. Quite what these new detectors will discover remains to be seen, and it's important to remember that researchers have only been surfing the gravitational waves for a few years. Nevertheless, September 14, 2015 will go down in history as the date that these waves were first directly detected.
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In 2015, the Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory (LIGO) facilities in the US directly detected ripples in space-time, known as gravitational waves. These waves were produced by the final spiral of two orbiting black holes that smashed into each other, sending ripples across the Universe.
In this podcast, Benjamin Thompson speaks to Cole Miller from the University of Maryland about the quest to detect gravitational waves, which were first hypothesised by Albert Einstein back in 1916.
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