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30 Sep 2026 · 18m · 9 chapters

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These optical illusions are why butterflies are so hard to catch

In short

This episode of Nature Podcast argues that butterflies’ wing patterns act like an optical illusion that misleads predators’ motion detection, making butterflies hard to catch in flight.

Key claims

repeated advertising can improve recall in podcasting (50% more likely vs 17% less likely), and more importantly, butterfly stripes create a “barber pole effect” that makes motion cues ambiguous, often appearing to move in the wrong direction or at the wrong speed.

Notable examples

high-speed footage and a bird-vision model showed downwards motion detection despite upward takeoff; removing patterns reduced the illusion. A human touchscreen “butterfly net” game found attacks aimed at the back of wings, reducing vital hits. Computer simulations and selection produced stripe patterns resembling real swallowtails and nymphalids; “immaculate white” variants also emerged.

Guests

Jolion Trushanko (visual ecologist, University of Exeter) and George Hancock (University of Exeter).

Written by AI. May contain mistakes.

Chapters

1:06

The Mystery of Butterfly Patterns

Exploring how butterfly patterns confuse predators and the implications of this behavior.

“Butterflies are hard to catch, perhaps uniquely so.”
2:16

Field Research in Cornwall

Nick visits Cornwall to meet researchers studying butterfly flight and predation avoidance.

“I made a trip to Cornwall to meet the authors of the New Nature paper.”
4:23

The Barber Pole Effect Explained

Understanding the barber pole effect and how it relates to butterflies' flight illusions.

“So Jolion tried to find some of this footage and run it through a vision model, which replicates how birds' eyes see to understand what was the cause of the butterfly's unique weirdness.”
6:03

Predator Confusion Through Motion

Investigating how butterflies' patterns mislead predators and the implications for survival.

“In essence, the stripey pattern misleads the eyes.”
9:17

Evolution of Motion Confusion

Examining how motion confusion traits in butterflies evolve and their benefits.

“isn't a big deal to a lot of butterflies, but surviving to mate and bring forth the next generation is.”
11:38

Broader Implications for Animal Defense

Exploring how other animals might use similar strategies to evade predators.

“By manipulating their predators with motion cues, the butterflies are able to avoid being caught.”
14:00

Exploring Optical Illusions in Nature

Learn how animals use optical illusions to evade predators.

“fold that wing up and hide it on the way up.”
14:38

Research Highlights: Loud Bird Communication

Discover the findings on the loudest birds and their communication methods.

“We've turned it down a bit to save your eardrums, but trust us, at full volume, it is loud.”
16:33

Iron Age Iron Production in Europe

Learn about the discovery of a significant Iron Age iron cache and its implications.

“You can read that research in full in Evolution.”
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0:00Allison McGevna: Most media plans treat frequency as a risk, something to cap. But in podcasting, that costs performance. Hearing a brand advertised repeatedly makes 50 % of fans more likely to remember it against 17 % who say less likely. And that positive impact is true against every outcome we tested. Podcasting is where repetition builds, not where it wears out. Get more insights like this from ACAST's latest podcast Pulse report, which is out now. Download for free at acast.com slash pulse.

0:56David Selva: Welcome back to the Nature Podcast. This time, how butterflies can trick you into thinking they're flying one way when they're really going another. I'm Nick Petrich-Hout.

1:18David Selva: Butterflies are hard to catch, perhaps uniquely so. and new research in Nature proposes that this is down to their patterns, and how they confuse predators. Now, you may think that butterflies are pretty and colourful to ward off predators. Don't eat me, their stripes say, I'm poisonous. Or that they're useful to attract mates. A dull butterfly may not stand a chance against a charming, colourful competitor. And you'd be right. But that doesn't explain everything. For instance, butterflies in Europe aren't poisonous, but still have the bright patterns that suggest they are. It seems these patterns may also be doing something more.

2:05David Selva: And the new study reveals something new. These patterns are sending predators the wrong way with a confusing motion cue. Curious about these confusing colourations? I made a trip to Cornwall to meet the authors of the New Nature paper.

2:39David Selva: That's Jolion Trushanko, one of the authors of the New Study, as he welcomed me into his office. He is a visual ecologist who studies how animals interact with the world they see. And while there are a lot of ways that animals use visual cues to avoid predators, camouflage being the obvious example, he told me that butterflies may be uniquely good at this.

3:02Allison McGevna: The really, really telling, interesting thing is that there are no birds that have evolved to really specialise on catching butterflies in flight. So lots of things will try and eat moths and other insects, but butterflies, despite being the most obvious thing, they're so visually salient. There's nothing much that really specialises on eating on the wing. When you see a bird try and catch a butterfly, they sort of just try and chase around it. They can never actually grab it. So this is an interesting tell that there's something weird going on with butterflies.

3:29David Selva: It's rare, but some birds do actually catch butterflies, but they do it when they've landed. when a butterfly is in flight or on the wing there's no known predators that specialize in catching them in fact i even got to see quite how hard it is to catch butterflies in person

3:48Allison McGevna: oh no oh sod

3:53David Selva: this is george hancock one of joelian's colleagues and another of the authors on the new paper trying and failing to catch a butterfly. Now in fairness to him he did quite expertly catch another two butterflies later on but those had landed. Butterflies in flight seemed particularly hard to catch even with a net. Sir Julian and George were curious why this was and they thought that they could look to advanced camera technology to figure it out. These days high speed footage that you can slow down to a crawl is fairly commonplace. So Jolion tried to find some of this footage and run it through a vision model, which replicates how birds' eyes see to understand what was the cause of the butterfly's unique weirdness.

4:40Allison McGevna: I just went on YouTube and took a high-speed video of a butterfly taking off. It was a BBC Natural History video, and I just thought, right, I'll take this, put it through the model, see what happens. And I thought I'd made a big mistake. It was colour-coded, so green was upwards motion and purple was coded as downwards motion. and this butterfly was taking off and it was just loads of this purple, this downwards motion was really powerful. And this is before I'd really conceptually thought about how this visual illusion might work. And I thought initially, I've made an error, my code's gone wrong.

5:11Allison McGevna: So I did lots of double checking and then, no, it was true.

5:15David Selva: Despite the butterfly clearly moving upwards as it took off, Julian's model was identifying downwards motion.

5:22Allison McGevna: This is really this eureka moment of realising, wow the way the stripes are angling in the different points in the wing beat cycle they are turning into what we call a barber pole effect they are creating sideways and downwards motion from a wing that's actually moving up the barber pole effect gets its name from you guessed

5:40David Selva: it barber's poles these are the often red and white rotating poles that you see outside of barbers. They're made of a cylinder painted with a diagonal spiral stripe. This spins sideways, but looks as though it's moving up or down. This is because the information about the movement is ambiguous to our brains. We don't know what's happening to the stripes behind the pole, but because the stripes are diagonal, our brains interpret the movement as going up or down, as if they're twisting around the pole and then disappearing off the end. In essence, the stripey pattern misleads the eyes. Jolion thought that a similar thing was happening with the butterflies, but he needed more than a single video nicked off YouTube to make sure.

6:29David Selva: So he, and mostly George to be honest, caught some butterflies and then recorded them taking off with their own high-speed camera.

6:36Allison McGevna: And we took those videos, put them through this bird motion vision model, and then a really fun thing that we could do is, in each frame of the video, we could take away the butterfly's patterning. So we could simulate, here's the butterfly taking off with its real wing patterns, and then we could, in every frame, get rid of those patterns, make them an average grey or white or black. To simulating the same butterfly moving, same flight, same exact dynamics, but taking away the patterns, and then we can put both of those through the model and see how much patterns interfere with motion detection.

7:11Allison McGevna: And that was really cool because that showed that the presence of patterns had a really powerful effect at making it look like they're flying in the wrong direction.

7:19David Selva: As the butterfly's wings move up and down, the stripes and patterns create illusions that make it look like the butterfly is moving slower than it is. That would mean a would-be predator would end up attacking behind the butterfly, missing all the important bits and allowing the insect to escape. But that's just what the model implied. The researchers wanted to see how this would work when an actual predator is trying to catch a butterfly. Unfortunately, such an experiment would be really difficult to do with birds. But George came up with a solution. He made a game that humans could play. In the game, they could see how much the butterfly's patterns interfered with the humans' abilities to net them.

8:02Allison McGevna: So in this game, your goal is to try and catch a butterfly. You're going to try and catch it as fast and accurately as you can. There is going to be a tutorial where it teaches you how to play.

8:09David Selva: This is George explaining the game to a player. They have to catch a virtual butterfly on a touchscreen. George and the team can monitor how successful they are at catching it, as well as exactly where their missed attempts are landing.

8:23Allison McGevna: What we find by getting people to play this game is that the more motion confusing you are, the more attacks are directed towards the back of a butterfly, the more likely you are to hit less vulnerable parts of the wings. So the hind wings of many butterfly species, especially those such as swallowtails, which have a long tail are evolved to break off so if a predator just catches a butterfly but only catches that part it's not going to come away with a meal and the butterfly is going to be able to

8:49David Selva: continue to flee with its life the human butterfly predators were also quite bad at catching butterflies i can personally attest to this having played the game myself on average people caught only 40 percent of butterflies if only my own percentage had been that high but as george says even when the people hit them, they tended not to hit anything vital, being directed to hit towards the back of the wings. Survival, it seems, is the name of the game. Losing a bit of the hindwing isn't a big deal to a lot of butterflies, but surviving to mate and bring forth the next generation is. Which is what the team wanted to look at in their next experiment.

9:29David Selva: It seemed that butterflies had confusing motion cues. They could mislead predators or at least humans playing a game into missing them or hitting non-vital parts. But if this is the case then you'd expect it to be an evolved trait. Rather than waiting to see evolution play out over the next few million years the team used a computer simulation to fast forward through generations of natural selection.

9:55Allison McGevna: And what we found was that if you select for our motion confusion metrics, you get butterflies that eerily resemble real butterflies that we see in the natural world. So if you select for a metric that we called forwards confusion, you get the same kind of stripe patterns you see all across swallowtail butterflies and various different nymphalids, and they've all settled on having these stripes. If you've ever seen a tiger swallowtail butterfly or a scarce swallowtail butterfly, they have stripes in almost exactly the same positions on their wings and we think this is because they have evolved in order to try and redirect attacks towards the back of them onto this tail which can break off.

10:35David Selva: George and the team think that this observation really validates their study. It's another bit of data along with the high-speed camera footage, the game and the real world observations that point towards the butterflies misleading their would-be predators by creating confusing cues with their patterns.

10:52Allison McGevna: But one thing that really annoyed me it was whites so the white butterfly this wasn't explained this got no it's an immaculate white butterfly often or it sometimes has little black spots on its wingtips this wasn't really being explained by our model and so another thing we did in the genetic algorithm model this fully computer-based thing is we flipped it say instead of making the butterfly look like it's flying too slowly too far backwards what if we try and make it look like it's flying faster than it really is so that the birds attacks might be deflected too far forwards and then they all turn immaculate white almost instantly sometimes with the little black spots on the on the wingtips too so this is a really nice it's an elegant way i feel of showing that this is it's a strategy where there's lots of different ways of achieving this and this fits in really nicely with how we think evolution should work for kind of creating lots of diversity lots of different strategies for evading being eaten by

11:44David Selva: birds jillian and the team think that the method of avoiding predators that they've explained could be the most successful visual defence strategy in moving animals. By manipulating their predators with motion cues, the butterflies are able to avoid being caught. This probably is also aided by the butterflies' rather chaotic flying style. They change direction seemingly at random and can barrel through the air, flapping madly at 70 centimetres a second, about a mile and a half per hour. Pretty fast when you're only a few centimetres long yourself. and the team are currently investigating how Butterfly's flying style affects this.

12:24David Selva: One big caveat here, though, is that there's a lot we don't understand about how motion vision works. We also don't really know a lot about how birds see, which may have implications for the game the team created. While the game simulated how we think birds see to the humans playing it, it would be better to have actual birds try it out, something that's very, very difficult to do. I don't, for instance, envy the researchers who need to corral flying birds in their lab to hit butterflies. Ultimately, though, Julian and George think that it's likely that many other animals influence how their predators see them using similar motion tricks.

13:02David Selva: It seems to be a widely distributed trait amongst butterflies, according to their study, and there's no reason to think that other animals don't also do it. Zebra stripes, for instance, have puzzled researchers for hundreds of years. So this work may help uncover the real reason why they have their stripes. Perhaps they too set off confusing cues that mislead their predators. So in the end, Julian and George hope that this work will inspire investigations of other animals.

13:31Allison McGevna: It's really exciting when you think that there are so many animals that need to be protected from being eaten while in motion. if you think about fish and birds many of these animals have really high contrast markings on their wings or on their tails and a really important thing here that we've kind of realized is this is due to biological motion so real animals have limbs that at some points are moving in the opposite direction to where they're going so on the butterfly their wings are moving downwards at one point so you maximize the motion on that downwards moving limb and then hide the motion fold that wing up and hide it on the way up.

14:07Allison McGevna: And there are lots of animals that can do this. As a fish is, you know, escaping its predators, the spots on its tail will at one point move in the opposite direction to the rest of the fish and where it's going to be in 100 milliseconds time. And so this is potentially super common in nature. And yeah, we've now hopefully got the tools to start exploring this.

14:25David Selva: That was Julian Trishanko from the University of Exeter here in the UK. You also heard from George Hancock, also from the University of Exeter. For more on that story, check out the show notes for some links Right now though, it's time for the Research Highlights with Dan Fox

14:51Allison McGevna: Don't worry, you're not receiving an emergency alert That is the call of the bare-throated bellbird One of two birds in contention for the title of world's loudest bird The other, the red-legged ceriema, sounds like this. We've turned it down a bit to save your eardrums, but trust us, at full volume, it is loud. These two avian ear splitters were identified by researchers investigating the role of evolutionary biology on bird communication. Being loud is vital for communication, and this team set out to answer two questions about bird calls. To what extent can birds vary their vocal amplitude?

15:37Allison McGevna: And what are the evolutionary factors that drive this? Using laser rangefinders designed for golfers and sound level meters intended to ensure workplace safety, they were able to make field recordings of over 100 species of bird at locations in the US and Brazil. Well, analyzing the data, they found 58 dB of variation in bird calls, from a tiny hummingbird singing at 64 dB up to the booming duo we heard earlier peaking at 120 dB, louder than a chainsaw. They found that bigger birds tended to be louder, with wider beak openings and stronger muscles to compress and explosively expel air. But birds are often louder than significantly larger land animals.

16:26Allison McGevna: And so, the authors suggest, other mechanisms enabling their extreme vocalisations remain to be discovered. You can read that research in full in Evolution.

16:39Allison McGevna: In Iron Age Europe, around 2 ,200 years ago, iron was, unsurprisingly, pretty important. But the scale of its production and trade has been unclear. Now the discovery of a huge cache of iron bars suggests that iron was being shipped along the river Danube more than a ton at a time. Researchers analysed 193 complete iron bars and hundreds of fragments recovered during gravel extraction along the Danube in northern Austria. The pieces represent at least 500 forged iron bars, making the find the largest known assemblage of such objects from Iron Age Europe. Radiocarbon dating of three bars, together with analysis of similar artefacts found elsewhere, suggests that the cargo dates to the 3rd or 2nd century BC and would have been enough metal to equip around 500 warriors with swords.

17:37Allison McGevna: the authors say the iron was probably being transported down the danube when it was lost in a shipwreck pointing to large-scale iron production in central europe during the late iron age you can find that paper in antiquity

18:03David Selva: and that's all for now if you want to stay in touch with us you can we're on email podcast at nature.com or you can find us on social media at nature podcast we'll be back again soon with more from the world of science until then i've been nick petra ciao thanks for listening

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From the publisher

High-speed footage of takeoffs reveal that the butterfly markings mislead the eye, making them harder to catch.


00:45 Butterflies in flight create confusing motion cues that baffle birds

Research Article: Hancock et al.


14:09 Research Highlights

Research Article: Menezes and Podos

Research Highlight: Huge hoard of metal bars hints at vast Iron Age trade


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