A Swift Debrief, Travis’ Preseason Prep and Starting Shedeur | EP 151

27:26the phone call i got from travis scared the shit out of me yeah well i was terrified myself i thought i was writing my death sentence fucking talking to you how does this like you travis called me one day and gave me like a 30 second hey um hey so um she's gonna do it uh somebody will call you with details bye and that was that was the only fucking thing i got also i didn't talk to you about anything you don't even know don't tell him and i'm like oh don't even this message will explode in 15 seconds your phone is being tracked they will know if you said something

28:06so i spent a lot of time lying to people jake didn't find out till we were in the car on the way to travis's house i was just about to say for all of 48 hours he was like yeah i need your help setting up travis's new camera in kansas city and then we got in the car and brandon got a text by someone where i was like oh fuck we're doing oh she oh she doesn't work for pat mahomes and i'm like yeah behind you yeah we're not talking to pat today buddy sorry he's like set up the camera i only know what to do what comes i was like why the fuck do you need my help he was like clear your schedule i need your help i do want to flag this jake is very difficult to get him to go places when you don't explain what he's doing he asks a lot of questions yeah your ticket for kansas city you gotta be on the plane and shut it be more willing to get out of the house what are we gonna do there are we gonna have dinner and i'm like just get in the fucking plane jake maybe we did have great questions like this is i can't i have no time for questions with you just get in you had to do uh the town with them honestly i gotta we're gonna go to a place we're gonna beat some dudes up i need you to not ask questions we were gonna talk to a very nice lady and then we were yeah okay i need you to not ask questions no questions you're gonna sign some form don't worry about it the world also got to see jets jake in fully stressed out glory jake how did your was this was your i was a little concerned watching these videos myself is your heart capable of handling this type of like stress like what is the the yeah i mean i got it fixed to be able to handle this kind of stress got it got it nice look at the little hands sure yeah i didn't realize emily was just filming me all day i would have tried to remain a little calmer that's so good just hold on not now what yeah stop please the man has two laptops out we were just it felt uh to everyone's point like it felt kind of ridiculous that we were being trusted with this responsibility and i was for sure very much in do not fuck this up mode do not drop the baby uh with taylor's album announcement which was a very like very big deal thing that i did not yeah i was yelling at my own computer i just i'm so glad everything worked out great it is very funny and honestly it's like shout out to tay for really coming on the show and deciding to do this with us because like this is something that usually happens meticulously on like tonight shows and like programs that have like hundreds of people like working and operating them she decided to come on the off season of new heights a bunch of like dickheads that don't know what the hell we're doing we've never done or handled anything to this degree no so yeah um no shout out to taylor way to go taylor's team took good care of me so they made sure i didn't freak out halfway through it was good it was good but my only thing to add is like i look a lot like jake stressing before we do things but i'm glad nobody films me the the moment where i relaxed was when i i asked her before we recorded like oh hey at the end we have like a section where like we're gonna like whatever question you have to ask like go for it and she was like oh i gotta ask jason about that wax and i was like oh we're fucking golden we're gonna get her on camera right now she gets the vibe she understands exactly what this show is.

31:31Fucking nails. Go. That's when I finally relaxed. Well, yeah. Thank you to everyone that tuned in. It was easily our most successful show of all time. And I think everybody, we have appreciated your comments. We appreciate how much you enjoyed the episode. Shout out to Taylor for coming on the New Heights podcast.

31:55But I guess now we talk about sports because this is a sports podcast. I think that wraps up new news. New news. All righty.

32:09All right. Are we allowed to play this? I don't know. She sent it to me. I don't care. Shouldn't have sent me a gift that plays music. We're going to get to meet her legal team so soon. I can't wait. Yes. Can't wait. That is the recap of the Taylor Swift episode. Let's give you some bold topics. Bold topics brought to you by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. Travis, we got football to talk about. It's back, baby. It's officially fall. Labor Day is Monday. And then we're done with the fucking summer. We're on to fucking gridiron football. That's right. We're back. The Eagles are back. The Chiefs are back.

32:48Whoever you root for is back. Whoever you hate is back. I mean, that's what's great about football. You get to hate people. You get to love people. You get to root for people. You get to root against people. That's the beauty of it all. You get all the emotions. yeah you don't give a fuck about so let's start with a team that a lot of people that tune into this podcast give a little major shit about and that's the chiefs preseason travis you're fresh fresh out ofst joe's you're back in kansas city we are two weeks before the opening game of the nfl for the chiefs in brazil uh what are your thoughts on the chiefs preseason to date man it It was fun out there in St.

33:21Joe. And I think we, you know, the first two games, we didn't show a great showing in terms of the starters all the way to the fourth quarter and everybody that finished the game. And I think that last game was a little bit better, man. But the Bears figured it out at the end. But, you know, at the end of the day, it's all about, you know, that chemistry, that mold, that culture that you're setting in preseason during camp, during the time that you get back from camp, getting ready for the last couple of preseason games. And we still got a lot of work to do these next two weeks, getting ready for the Chargers down in Brazil, man, which I'm super pumped about.

34:01By the time this episode comes out, I think we'll have the 53-man roster set and everything. But right now it's still kind of in question with where we're at right now. But I couldn't be happier with, you know, how the tight end position is, how the offense is rolling right now. All the excitement. Patty Mahomes was out there the other night against the Bears having a grand old time, smiling, laughing, making plays. And we got to see what that offense kind of looks like for that first, really that first quarter. And it's just, it's an exciting time, man. I know I trust Brett Veach and Coach Reed and our scouting department to get the right guys on this team and to get the right guys if we don't have them right now.

34:46And it's going to be a fun, fun year, man. I think the Chargers are a huge team, are a great team. And as everybody's healthy going into the – Yeah, everybody going into that first week is healthy. And we're going to get everybody's best shot as usual. And I'm just – I'm fired up for it, brother. Dude, the Broncos had one of the best defenses in the NFL last year. They're returning Bo Nex going into his second year. The Chargers have been revamped. They look great. The Raiders, Chip Kelly, fast-paced offense. They got Pete Carroll, one of the most successful head coaches. Think about the head coaches in your division.

35:22Pete Carroll, Harbaugh, freaking Andy Reid. We got some Hall of Famers, man. And freaking – Sean Payton. I mean, it's an insane conference when you just think about the head coaches that are involved of leading these teams. So it is potentially the deepest the AFC West has been in a long time. That's what you love, man. I love competition, brother. I'm here for it. I think, you know, last year it was a competitive division. And this year you're going to see a lot of the same. A lot of teams are making moves. I'm interested to see what Geno looks like in Vegas. I'm interested to see, you know, how the Chargers team looks one more year under Harbaugh where that culture is embedded a little bit more.

36:02And obviously Sean Payton has done nothing but great things since he's been in the league, let alone in Denver. And it's just, you know, a lot of those young guys are going to keep making strides. And it's a huge test to, you know, what we have in Kansas City and how we do things to keep trying to find ways to win and stay on top of this division, man. Yeah, it's hard. Was there a renewed sense of, hey, we want to improve markedly? Or do you think that, I mean, I guess what I'm trying to ask is like, having lost the Super Bowl knowing that you guys need to get better to win this year like it's just a different dynamic I feel like we won the most games that we that we have since I've been here in the regular season it was it was it was far from you know a disappointing year in the in terms of like what the expectations were obviously we lost the Super Bowl in an ugly fashion but it was still a very good team last year yeah I think we got a lot of those pieces back which makes us feel comfortable that we can do what we do and take it up a notch.

37:05Obviously, there's things that you got to get better at. There's things that you look back at last year, and I reevaluate myself every single day, every single game. Looking at the entire work of things last year, that's why I chose a different preparation and a different route in terms of prepping for the season. I think everybody has to have that. And to be honest, that's what Coach Reed is unbelievable at. He's unbelievable at challenging men in the building to be able to one-up themselves and become better at all aspects of life, let alone the football field. But definitely when we're in that building, I think he does a great job of challenging everybody to find that next level that you got to unlock.

37:52Yeah, absolutely. I mean, he's the best in the business and he has been for a long time and he's the man. Let's talk about the new pieces. You brought up you guys got new pieces and there's some exciting ones we got uh oh yeah Rasheed Rice coming back he might be suspended for a little bit but he will be back this year uh Xavier Worthy has another year under his belt Rasheed looks great Xavier Worthy looks great yep we got back and healthy Pop is back healthy running around Kareem gets an off season and a training camp under Andy Reid and is flying around uh looking just as good if not better than last year.

38:24But I want to talk about specifically, you lose one big piece. You lose Joe Toon. Big Toon, which it was awesome to see him on the field against the Bears, man. I fucking love Toon. We have new pieces coming in this year. Josh Simmons, we talked about how big of a fan I am of this kid coming out of Ohio State. If that knee is healthy, Kingsley slides into guard. How have those two played throughout training camp? They look pretty good in that last preseason game. Simmons definitely looks like he's holding it down on the edge. Is this a big step with those new pieces for the Kansas City offensive line?

38:57I got all the confidence in the world in this offensive line, man. These guys, they're in sync. And that's what getting, you know, the preseason and training camp is to get these guys in sync. Big Creed is up there another year under his belt as a leader. Trey Smith, another leader that is just, you know, got paid and is worth every single fucking penny, if not more, man. There's a lot of confidence and a lot of games played, a lot of wins underneath a lot of these guys, and even adding Jawan Taylor. But you had a guy like Josh Simmons in there who's one of the most athletic offensive linemen I've ever seen in my life, just in terms of pound-for-pound strength and just how explosive he can be.

39:39And he sees the field well. He's a smart player. And I think all of this is going to help us out. And then Kingsley moving into guard I think is going to fit him. I can't say is going to fit him. He's been looking great all camp. And I think going into the season, he's going to be able to play a lot more free, a lot more physical. And just that second year under your belt, you feel more confident. You feel more, you know, you got that reassurance of how you need to go about things and how you're going to have to play this game in this offense. And I got all the faith in this offensive line, man.

40:12There's also the simple fact that guard is easier than tackle. Like, let's face it, left tackle is one of the hardest positions to play in football. And the fact that he was even trying to do that, if he can bend and play inside a tighter phone booth style with good feet, he should be able to translate the guard just fine. Which he is. I'm not trying to throw shade any which way. The left tackle position was an issue for the Chiefs. And you saw it affect Pat in multiple ways. He was ante in the pocket. And when that was solidified, when Joe Tooney slid out there, the offense started functioning again.

40:46And they struggled again with it in the Super Bowl. If Josh Simmons stays healthy and he can protect Pat's blind side and they can function from the pocket better and Pat feels more comfortable, it is going to directly lead to a better Kansas City offense. That's the reality of it. I think it's a big freaking move. If both these guys can play the way they have in the preseason and continue to develop a chemistry together and lock down that left side, It is going to make Pat Mahomes play so much better. And that's encouraging if I'm a Chiefs fan. Yeah. And obviously, we got beat on all four phases, or all three phases, I would say, in the Super Bowl.

41:24There's no question. It was a whole lot more than just our offensive line situation. Well, yeah. I'm excited about Josh Simmons. I'm excited about Kingsley at left guard. I think he's going to do much better inside. I think that the right side picked right up where it left off. Let's show this freaking highlight by Trey Smith. I mean, I just look at him finding work there, and then he's not done. He's still fucking blocking. And this is a preseason game. Trey only knows one speed. He's been one of my favorite players to watch since he entered the NFL. I just think he plays the game the right way.

41:57He's an enforcer. He's a great teammate. This made me so excited when I saw it happen because I just love guys that play the game this way. Like he's helping the center, he helps the right tackle, and then he catches the guy beating the left tackle late trying to make a play. I mean, it's just such a great clip. This is literally the bull that I send you on Instagram, the bull videos, dude. Exactly. One dude and then another dude. Trey Smith is just a domesticated bull. Is that what we're saying right now? No, they are not domesticated. That's right. All right. Well, either way, Trey Smith is still Trey Smith.

42:36Pacheco is still Pacheco. Fully back. All gas, no brakes. Oh, my gosh, man. I was in tears. Once I found out he was okay, I was in tears dying at laughing at this shit. Look, just. Oh, God damn, dude. I didn't see that. You got to go down, dude. Anytime I get hit on the sideline like that, I am falling down immediately. I'm going. You hit head first into the concrete wall? That's how you break your neck. That's like the first thing they tell you in hockey is like, if you're going into the boards, do not go into the boards with your head down. That's a great way to break. Check this out. Oh, my God.

43:15Oh, my God. That is so impressive. He's trying to keep his balance, and he just couldn't, man. That's too funny. He's all good, though, ladies and gentlemen. He's all good. And whenever I go to the sideline like that and I get smoked, because the chains, the photographers, There's so many people on the sideline. They're not as – Awareness level is low. That's what I'm saying. It's like, bro, just go down. Just go down. You're going to save yourself a headache sometimes. But Pop's all good, so we're all good, baby. We also got – it says new wide receiver, but Taekwon Thornton has been on the team since last year.

43:51But, man, it is good to have my guy, man. High energy, fast as all get out. So we got another deep ball threat here in Kansas City. And Pat found him this past week against Chicago, man. And I think that's just a little glimpse of what you're going to see out of him this year. And then we've also – we've been giving Josh Simmons a lot of love, probably too much love for a rookie if I'm being honest. Like he's still got to go out there and prove it. No, he's going to have his rookie role. He looks pretty good. It is what it is. I like the way he bends and I like how athletic he is, so I'm going to state it.

44:23He's shown some love. The other person that I want to shout out is Ashton Jelotti. Like, first of all, the clip of him and Josh Simmons getting into it. I like that. I like when dudes are kind of competitive and coming with like a firiness to it. I thought it was the appropriate amount. Threw a couple hands, getting in people's faces. You know, he kind of got thrown around. Let each other know nobody's backing down. Yeah. And then I saw, I think maybe the next day or two practices later, they showed like one of the one-on-one clips on Twitter. and Ashton got him. Like, and I think that Josh is a very good pass protector and he caught him leaning, got his hands and got right around the edge.

45:03And then there were a bunch of clips in the last game where the motor is just very apparent. And to me, half of being like great on defense, especially defensive line, is just like never stopping. Like if you play with relentlessness, I mean, nobody blocked him right there. I think Jets Jake might have been able to make that tackle. But he 100 % has that, though. He 100 % has exactly what you're talking about. This guy has a motor, man. He's got a motor where he just. You just keep going, keep going, keep going. It makes such a difference whether it's in pursuit. You get a lot of sacks that way.

45:40Like, look at this. He's fighting through the left tackle. He's going to play his fucking gap in the run game, and he's going to get to the quarterback eventually. And the thing is, when guys play with motors like this, that does something to the quarterback. The quarterback's watching that on film all day, and he's just thinking in his mind, he's coming. I know he's coming. If he isn't here initially, I know it's happening. I know he's on the way. And a guy like this is, I think I saw him flying around on special teams. Back around, he's fighting through, he's fighting through, he's fighting through.

46:14Yeah, he's got a good punch. He plays his gaps very well. He's technically sound. I got a lot of love for him, man. If you have 11 guys playing with relentless effort and hustling to the ball, that is a great – that is a very hard thing to function with on offense. And I just saw that right away was apparent to me watching him. And don't lose that, brother. I mean, that is something – and it's noticeable by an offensive lineman too. Like you want to play the guy that picks and chooses. And every once in a while when he knows he's not going to make a play, He's just kind of standing there getting his energy back.

46:49He's chilling. Yeah. I want that guy all day. I don't want the Aaron Donald that is like fighting tooth and nail to get to the quarterback. I don't want that at all. Just get to the ball, man. Yeah. Chiefs offense through the first quarter of the preseason final against the Bears. 12 first downs, no penalties, 193 net yards, 10 points scored. Patrick Mahomes averaged over 11 yards per passing attempt, which is huge. There's been a lot of topics being brought up about Mahomes and the Chiefs often struggling to make plays down the field. We saw some of that this preseason. Hopefully that can catch back up for the Chiefs.

47:26Yeah, I don't know. Do you want to add anything else with the Chiefs side of things? No, I think it's a fun offense. When Pat's out there throwing the ball all over the field, 80 yards downfield, making plays in tight windows in the red zone, running around, throwing touchdowns. You know what I mean? Extending plays, having fun. When we're running the ball well and the offensive line can get their mojo going, getting after guys in the ground game, it's such a well-powered offense and Coach Reed knows how to dial this thing up. And, you know, I'm fired up to show the entire league what we've been working on all preseason, man.

48:03Well, speaking of one of the best offenses in the NFL, Papa Kelsey, thinks that this is going to be one of the best seasons. for Travis Kelsey. I don't know if you saw this quote from Papa, from Pops on the red carpet. I think you're going to see one of the best seasons Travis has ever had. He's in incredible. Travis is in incredible shape. Travis is ready to go. And I'm excited about that. Okay, big Ed. You in particular referenced the work you've been putting down in and Boca. So yeah, Papa Kelsey is calling it now big year for the big Yeti. I mean, a human exclamation point. Sorry. It's not out to big Papa Kelsey though, man.

48:40And hey, go ahead. I got you. I'm fixing for a hell of a season, too. In terms of shape, I don't want anybody to think that – I don't want anybody to get that out of context. I know. I'm always in the best shape that I could possibly be in. I think the difference this year from last year and even the year before that, I think, is just the attention to the fundamentals that I'm honing in on. I think I was down in Boca working with Tony Villani and working on a lot of running strides, working on explosive movements, working on back end speed, acceleration. I was working on a lot of things that will translate to how I move on the football field.

49:24And that's where I think everyone is seeing the difference is that I'm being more precise with my my fundamentals and being more precise with my movements, which is making me seem and feel more agile and more more explosive. So I think that's one of the biggest things is getting down there. I think Tony does a great job with helping guys with form and helping guys understand and train that form in a way that you really see the results over the course of a month to three months training with them. I think a lot of the times in an offseason, you're always trying to train and do things to improve on areas of weakness from the season before.

50:07And you're trying to train in a way that you're going to be better the following season. And something that happens as you get older is your body changes and you start to have to realize like, hey, I can't do this kind of training or I should start doing more of this because I need to do more of X, right? Yeah. And for me and for every player you go through this, and you've been in the NFL for a very long time, highly successful. and I think that going and doing this training is you trying to capitalize and move and do things more efficiently and better than you either did them last year or you're trying to hold on to that does this make sense like 100 no that's what I went down there after watching and feeling is how I got off the ball how I was in and out of breaks how what my top end speed was and I went to Tony I was like I need to get my get off off the ball a lot more explosive and I need to get my top end speed back to, back to, you know, where guys can respect me going past them.

51:05I think that's going to help me out. And then on top of that, just working the fundamentals and in terms of stride and then just going through his regimen on how to, how to get that out of the guys that are in the building with him. So it was 100 % of focus on that, knowing that over the past two years, I've come to an understanding that that's what I need to focus on. Yeah. You know, I think, and as I'm getting older, you learn and you start to feel things, you know, get away or you start to feel things kind of go down. And feeling that after last year, I was like, man, if I just train these things and I get that back a little bit more than what I had last year, I think I can play this game at an even higher level.

51:51And I'll give you like a prime example from my career. We were in Chip Kelly's offense for three years where really what magnified me as a great player in that offense was my speed, explosion, and acceleration. And that's what I trained heavily in the offseason. And in the no huddle, you don't have to worry as much about the power of the game because the defense is more fatigued and the no huddle takes care of a lot of that aspect. The first year we went back to a huddle offense with Doug Peterson, it was apparent like, oh, no, I need to work on my technique in stopping a bull rush more. I need to work on that off season.

52:26I like reaffirmed strength and squatting heavier and doing things in a different way because the system that I was in mandated that more. You know what I mean? And I struggled with certain things the year before. So it's like, of course, I'm going to work on those things a little bit harder in that off season. I feel like as you get older, you lose more of the twitchiness and the quick stuff. So you have to do more to retain that stuff. Retain it, yes. You know what I mean? Like when you're younger, I can just walk out on the football field. Didn't even need to warm up. And I can go run full speed right now.

53:02As you get older, it's like, oh, I should probably be doing soft tissue stuff. I can't just go out there and do this. And that's something that every player, as you go off in your career, is having to go into those fields more and more and more. So 100 % hear you. All right, Jason, let's talk about your preseason. And you're still very close with the Eagles, so we'll tie you into a lot of what the Eagles have going on. How did you spend your preseason? I've been to a few practices. I always like to go back and go to camp. You'll find this out. My guy just loves football, man. This guy just loves some ball, man.

53:36You'll see it when you do eventually retire. You miss being in camp. You miss being around the guys. You miss talking football. I was with Joe Thomas this offseason. He said it really well. Like you build up this wealth of knowledge your whole career. And then all of a sudden it stops. And there's not like an outlet to talk about all these things. And going back to camp gets you talking about football again, gets me around stout, gets me around the offensive line, gets me around Nick Sirianni. And I get to talk about something that, you know, I built like over a decade's worth of experience and knowledge of.

54:13and I like to – it's hard to not do that. So I really enjoy – I'm very thankful for the Eagles for letting me go back and get that. Oh, yeah. Well, they'd be silly not to let a fucking perennial all-star feature Hall of Famer and not come back into the building and spit some wisdom, man. Everyone saw you spend a couple days at the Eagles camp with Big Stout, man. How's our guy Coach Stoutland doing, man? I mean, he's the same old guy. Can't fall asleep, like relentless energy. We just talked about Ashton Gelati's relentlessness on the defensive line. I feel the same way about coaches. And that's the one thing that has always stood out to me about Stout.

54:51He just is relentless. He's never going to stop coaching you. He's never going to let you fall asleep in the meeting. He's always so repetitive. He doesn't get bored of it. He loves doing it. And he's passionate and intense about it. Were you ever a sleep in the meetings kind of guy? I'm not going to say it's never happened, but it was really hard for me to fall asleep in meetings. I'll be on my phone sometimes if we're going over something I've been over a million times. I might doze off into that. But no, I was pretty locked in. I was pretty locked in. You catch me in class. I am fucking snoring.

55:26You get me in a football meeting, though. I'm fucking. I'm right here with you, coach. I love talking some ball, baby. Center has to be dialed in. And, you know, I mean, they're in charge of a lot of the calls, in charge of setting everything up. So it's a position that you can't really afford to be disinterested in the meeting. But – Yeah, I just love hearing Coach Reed and some of these coaches talk about their positions. I do miss Coach Talk. That's one thing I miss in retirement is listening to a coach install plays, motivate you for a day. Like I miss Jeff Statlin's motive. We should have a weekly segment on New Heights, Coach Talk, and just have like a video play of like a prominent coach fire us the fuck up for the week.

56:08Because that will do me. Dude, those are my favorite parts. That's all I want. Those are my favorite parts of like hard knocks. Yes. Of these like, dude, you get a coach in there, start telling guys to stop being fucking soft. Man, that's some of my favorite shit. I need that stuff. I need that. I'm soft as shit without coaches telling me to do that. But I, you know, listen, the offensive line is in great shape. We got Jordan. That's one of the things that's fun for me going back is watching guys that I was there with now in elevated roles and being older guys. Jordan Millat has developed into such a great personality and leader in that building and on that team.

56:43Landon Dickerson continues to develop into that role. Cam Juergens in the second year. Tyler Steen had a great camp. He's a guy that's always had the physical attributes to play and play well at guard, and you've just been waiting for it to click on a more consistent basis. He did that this year against Jalen Carter, one of the best defensive tackles in the NFL on a weekly basis. And then my highlight of camp, the highlight of me being there, joint practice with the Cleveland Browns. Dude, I got to watch in practice Lane Johnson and Miles Garrett go up against. I got to watch two of the best of this decade just casually doing one-on-ones and doing team drills.

57:22Two of the best offensive lines in the National Football League. deal with the other side of the ball. Batonio, everybody, you had some specimens out there. Just a big old bunch of guys drinking beer, drinking gas. Oh, yeah. Landon was – so when we went up to Cleveland, Wyatt Teller and those guys had beer waiting after practice. So I think Landon was returning the favor, even though his knee was hurt. He was unable to be out there. Yeah. He was drinking beers all practice. Yeah, I mean, listen, there's one way to rehab a knee issue. It's to drink beers. I think we all know that. Everybody knows that.

58:00Garage beers will help you. But no, I mean, there was a moment in that practice where I'm like sitting here, and Miles is usually over on the left side, right? He's not over on the right side. And we line up for one-on-ones. Well, the offensive. I'm sorry. I always speak from the offensive perspective. Right. But I go out there for one-on-ones and I see Miles Garrett lines up on the right side. And in my head, I'm like, dude, I'm about to watch like these two dudes go at it. This is fucking insane that this is happening right now. And Lane tried this tricky little set that he's been working on and got beat clean inside.

58:38See, that's the thing, but that is also. Boom strategy by Lane to whip this out in a one-on-one. I'm like, brother, one pirate to you. He's like, I'm going to fully test this. You whip it out right there. joint practice on fucking sunday i'm gonna fully test this out right now yeah fuck yeah that's a that's a clear vet right there but that's the thing about a lot of people don't realize in these not even just the joint practices one-on-ones in general yeah guys are testing things out so you don't necessarily get your full like oh he beat him he's better than him like no there's some guys are working specific techniques you know what i mean at the end of the day yeah that's the goal I want to beat this guy in one-on-one.

59:19That's the fucking – that's where you – the love of football is like you get to beat a guy, the guy that chooses you band a man across from you. You know what I mean? Like that's the love of it. But at the same time, like don't get wrapped up in this guy's, you know, a better player than the guy that he just beat just because, you know, you saw a one-on-one rep. At the end of the day, there's – the field is based off of 11 one-on-one reps. But what you really need to focus on is how they work together as a team. But obviously, when you get a guy like Lane Johnson and Miles Garrett going one-on-one, man, that's some fun action.

59:56I think Miles, he wanted to go see what it felt like to go up against Lane because he had been on the left side a couple years ago. Oh, yeah. That's why you see him go to that side. Hell yeah. And watching that, it was a lot during the practice. And watching those two go at it, I was just like, I don't know, man. And I haven't been that giddy about something at like a practice in a long time. And it was just so cool to witness that take place, to be honest with you. I was like, man, I'm really lucky to watch these two dudes freaking do this right now. Like, this is fucking awesome. And then there's also, you know, they still got Saquon Barkley.

1:00:31They still got Jalen Hurts. They still got A.J. Brown. They still got Slim Reaper. Dallas Goddard shook somebody so bad in like a tag-off drill. I mean, I just... Sneaky elusive. I say sneaky because he's 6 '6", 250, 260. Sneaky elusive. I agree, 100%. Yeah, and then watching everything that Vic, and I just have so much respect for what he did last year with that defense and how he rebuilt that thing, all those coaches on that side. Obviously, the players still had to go out there and play, but I think between Vic and Clint Hurd on the defensive line and Bobby King is the linebacker, They coach their positions so well.

1:01:13They can be so multiple. They'll whip zero out of nowhere. They'll play a six-man front. They'll play a four-man rush and play coverage behind it. They'll play a five-man front. They'll play a four-man front. They do it all, and they somehow get it well-coached to the point that everybody's dialed in and knows what their assignment is, and that is something that is not easy to do. so just it's it's really fun to see in practice the offense have to rep all of these different things and know that when the game comes, they're going to have seen all of these scenarios already. And I think it really helps the offense be ready for when those things come up in the game.

1:01:53You know, man, practice makes fucking perfect, man. And you guys got great coaches and great players all coming back, man. But just like we got, man, you guys got a fucking tough division out there. You're right. And D.C. is – Giants D-line. Washington. Had Bill Carter and freaking Dexter Lawrence. Obviously, the Cowboys, you know, obviously new head coach. Defense going back to Matt Eberflus, back to when he was with Dallas. I think that's what it's probably going to feel like. He's a little Rod Marinelli disciple, four down. They're going to move the front a lot, I bet. I'm excited to see how they transition to that for the first game of the year.

1:02:43And then Washington. I mean, they just – I mean, I was hoping they weren't going to get McCorn signed. Washington. Smart job, Josh. Way to get McCorn signed. That's a big one. Electric skill players on top of veteran team. You got Bobby Wagner. You got Zach Ertz. You got, you know, two of my favorite teammates of all time in Andrew Wiley and Nick Allegretti. And, I mean, just so many more guys on that team that are just, you know, I think are going to take that team to the next level, man. And they were fun to fucking watch last year, man. They were flying around. A tough team to beat. I know.

1:03:21We got them Monday night, man, and that's going to be a fucking – it's going to be cool to see a Jaden in person, man. They were beating the brakes off of the Cincinnati Bengals in the preseason game, which Cincinnati's defense, we'll see how they do, but it's also just a preseason game. They added Laramie Tunzel, which I think they're investing in everything they can do to capitalize on this quarterback while he's on this rookie contract, which is why I was so surprised that it took so long to get Terry signed. It's like, listen, guys, you got a small window here while Jaden is cheap. Like, you need to strike now.

1:03:59And they finally shored that up. That's a big part of their offense and their ability to stretch the field vertically. Then they have all the RPOs and the reads and the quick screens underneath that really get freed up. So it's a fun offense to watch. It's a fun team to watch. And everything being a second year in all of those systems, you'd think that they'd be far improved. So I'm looking forward to the NFC East this year. I still think it's Philadelphia's division. I think that they're the most talented team. No doubt. And, yeah, man. I was thoroughly enjoyed going to camp. Oh, let's get into some other stuff that you had going on in the preseason, man.

1:04:41You can see this T-shirt I got going on. You had the debut of Brumate 2 with Chuck Liddell. Dude, how about that? I got knocked out by Chuck Liddell. Not many people can say that. Dude, how cool was that meeting Chuck? It was incredible meeting him, but it was terrifying doing this scene with him. I'm looking at him. I'm like, dude, you can just see that this dude is like, he could knock me out in a fucking second. Like this dude is a badass motherfucker who lived it. You can see it just in his eyes. I'm like, dude, I am like in this right now. This could go sideways in a second. I feel like. You could look shut Waddell eye to eye as if you were going to fight him.

1:05:24That's funny as fuck. But yeah, it was a very fun moment. not only to film that with Chuck, but we've done some great things with Garage Beer. The whole team that embraces these stupid ideas to just have fun, embrace some nostalgia, and just, I don't know, do things in a creative, different way than everybody else is doing them is just a blast. So shout out to everybody, Jordan, Phoenix. There's too many people to name. You should kind of give a shout out to Honey Bobo. Honey Bobo. That's right. Bo Allen has been a big theme. I think we're just going to try and kill him off in every single thing we do now.

1:06:04Like he's the Kenny. Like he just dies and everything. I don't know. We're figuring it out. Hilarious. Anyways, we've had some fun. It's been a good offseason, but I'm ready for football to get ramped up. Eagles versus Cowboys to start the NFL season. The banner will come down. I mean, in front of – it's just like whoever schedules this stuff, Jeff Roger, great job. That is a great scheduled home opener for the Philadelphia fan base. I mean, it is one of the biggest rivalries in the National Football League, if not the biggest. And it's, you know, they just came out with America's Team, the documentary of the Cowboys in their heyday, even though there's a lot of controversy around what's going on right now with the Cowboys.

1:06:49Yeah. That's never an indication of what's actually going on. Yeah, but at the same time, what's going on right now in the media with Jerry Jones is it's never an indication of what's actually going on in that building. Well, listen, since you brought it up, it is on the topic. For those of you who have been living under a rock, Jerry Jones and Micah Parsons, their star player on the defensive line, have been, I don't know, they've been at it, man. Micah wants to get paid and things have culminated into not the best scenario. Jerry Jones claims Micah Parsons agent's spike negotiations told us to stick it up our ass.

1:07:28Harsh words, which his agent has told multiple reports, has told multiple outlets. Is there a video of Jerry Jones saying he told us to stick it up our ass? I don't know. But apparently... If there is, I gotta fucking hear Jerry Jones say that. Mike's agent has told multiple outlets these claims are false. He did not say that. It just, this whole situation, I just like, it feels so weird to me. You know, I don't know. I get that, you know, you might not want to pay a guy what he's owed. I mean, he's one of the best defensive players in the league. Actually, I don't get that. Yeah, I don't know.

1:08:08Maybe I don't get that. I don't know what the controversy is. You would think that one of the team's best players would get the, you know, the backing of the organization, man. I only know one way. I've seen it happen here in Kansas City with a lot of our players, and I feel like that negotiation was always understood, that the team wants you there. If you've worked your ass off and you've done it in a way that has represented the team in the right way. Yeah, you're a good leader. You are respectful of your teammates, all this stuff, yeah. Exactly, all that good stuff, man. I just don't know. there's got to be more to what's going on than than we know it just feels like this there's one common denominator here right and that's jerry right like jerry is kind of the issue of a lot of things that people have brought up for a long time in dallas and you know there's part of me that like really likes jerry jones i i i respect it's like old school i do a landman that freaking scene in Landman is fucking he nailed that I do love that scene it was so good and there's like an old schoolness to him that like I appreciate but like I just you have to find a way to work this out I feel like if you're the owner with Micah Parsons and it just feels like it's not going in the right direction there's so many variables I just feel like there's no right or wrong way to handle these kind of things it's just that's fair it's tough it's the best you can do still be a great teammate still be somebody in the building because those relationships if you do sign that contract and get back in you you don't want those to be tarnished and i'm not saying that this is what mike is doing i'm just saying how i would handle this kind of stuff is that you always just want to be known as a great teammate um a great player to be around and um and hopefully they figure something out man he's one of the best players in the league and you would hope that he gets paid.

1:10:05Yeah. Has he said how much he wants? That is another great question. Like, did he say, I want to be the highest paid? I'm assuming. Yes. So, Parsons, in the final year of his rookie contract, he sat there in$24 million. Goddamn, rookie first round pick. Those rookie contracts are still substantial. 100 % they are. But at the same time, him being the highest paid, you get double that. He's seeking a deal exceeding$40 million, which I think puts him in the TJY Scott, Miles Garrett, like all those guys. Those two are the only two making 40 a year. Yeah. It would potentially make him the highest paid non-quarterback in the NFL is what he's looking for, which, yeah, that's a lot of money.

1:10:47Who knows what Jerry has offered him? This feels like more than just the numbers at this point. Take the Trey Hendrickson thing in Cincinnati. They're not agreeing on the numbers, but it doesn't feel like there's like a personal affront. whereas with the Micah situation in Dallas with Jerry right now, it just feels like not only are they off on the numbers, but there's some type of like – They're in the media and voiced in their opinion, yeah. Yeah, there's some type of like breakdown of like relationship almost. I don't know if he's going to play with one. I mean, he's not said he hasn't going to play, which is a strong indication that I think he probably will play, and I hope he does because as a fan, I just want to watch him play.

1:11:24He's one of the – yeah, exactly. He's one of the best players in the league. Love watching him play. And I'll always be on the player side, So hopefully Dallas can pay him what he's worth. No doubt. Let's get to some other preseason news. Jason, how about let's talk about the Browns quarterback room? A little bit more controversy. Huh? Old Cleveland at 216 where we grew up. There's still ever since they came back, they've been trying to find that quarterback that takes them to the promised land and turns the Browns into a winning franchise. They had Baker Mayfield, who seems to be doing pretty good in Tampa Bay.

1:12:00Took him to the playoffs. I played him in the playoffs. Really good player, really good team. But now they got a guy, a few guys. Looks like as of today, they got three QBs on the roster. Joe Flacco, Dylan Gabriel, and Shadir Sanders. All righty. Yeah, I mean, listen, shout out to Joe, first of all. I was teammates with Joe in Philadelphia for a brief moment. He can sling the pill, and he had a really good year in Cleveland a couple years back. So, you know, I think the spectacle that has been made around this seems excessive. And I get it. Chador is a – the whole story with the draft and him sliding and then the way this has unfolded.

1:12:42It has led to a lot of noise in the media, downright conspiracies, which has been a very fun thing to read and watch take place. But, you know, I think that my analysis of this is usually the most logical answer is correct. And usually the simplest answer is correct. And give the people what they want. Well, I'm not going to give the people what they want. What they want is an outlandish take that everybody else is giving them. But what I'm going to give them is, you know, Stefanski and the Browns are trying to do the thing that they feel gives them the best chance to win football games. Otherwise, they're getting fired, and they're going to lose all their jobs.

1:13:22And at the end of the day, I think that they're – I was going to say give the people what they want in terms of the Browns fans. Oh, gotcha. Start Shadur. Yeah, for sure. I mean, listen, what do I want to watch? I want to watch Shadur Sanders potentially. Who knows I want to watch that? What do you mean, coach? Yeah, give the people what they want. The world wants to see him go out there and not only play but have success. At this point, guys are rooting for him. This isn't against anything against Dillon. This isn't anything against Joe. I'm just saying the excitement is there for him to go out there.

1:13:53He's going to put eyes on the screen. He is going to bring people to the game. It is what it is, man. Why? I would at least, I would love to fucking see it, man. I would love to fucking see it. Well, we're not going to see it. We're going to see Joe Flacco. And I think. I mean, the last time we saw Joe in a Browns, he was, he was ripping. He was ripping. He took him to the playoffs. I can't emphasize this enough. I think that at the end of the day, the reason Joe is starting is because Stefanski and them have the most amount of trust that he's going to go out there. And it's not even – it's like there are a lot of times guys look great in practice.

1:14:31There's a lot of times rookies come in and there's a lot of excitement about them. Coaches oftentimes feel comfortable playing guys that they trust more and they feel more confident. They can expect a certain amount of performance out of them. And I think right now they have that more with Joe Flacco than either Dylan Gabriel or Shador Sanders. And people might disagree with that and that's fine, but that's clearly the way the Browns feel. If rest assured, if the Browns and Kevin Stefanski felt that their best option and the most confident option they had to win games with Shador Sanders, they would be playing him.

1:15:09Like that is not, they're not going to go out there and not do that. I don't believe that. I just don't. I'm with you. I 100 % I agree with you. And they are doing probably the right thing. But I want to see 12 go out there and sling it. I want to see. Exactly. It's the most exciting. It's the attention. It's like I think he's shown that he can be an NFL quarterback in the preseason. I think he's done a good job since he's been in there. Listen, I'm not going to say that he's. Yeah, of course. If I'm evaluating him, I'm like, yeah, he can play in the NFL. So because of that, he should be the starter?

1:15:51From a fan's perspective. No. Fellow Cleavander. I'm a fellow Cleavander. I'm trying to see him shake. Just because you're trying to see him shake. That'll get me the most excited to watch the game for sure. Okay. As a head coach, okay, what is your job? Is your job to make the fans happy and to give them who can shake? or is your job to try and play the person that you think is going to give you the team, the best opportunity to win games? Yeah. You're onto something. I am right there with you. I want to see Shador Sanders play as well. All I'm saying is I don't think the dialogue happening right now is good for Shador Sanders.

1:16:28I don't think it's good for anybody. Just let the kid develop and have faith that the Browns is an organization or know what they're doing at the quarterback position, right?

1:16:41All right. That's fun. I love Joe Flacco. That wasn't a shot at Joe. Some Browns fans are upset with the lack of reps given to Sanders. I just don't know, like, what was the expectation? That's what's confusing to me. Like, every quarterback drafted where he's drafted is. No, but this is my thing. Every quarterback that's drafted where he's drafted at, they're practicing with the twos and threes. Like, yes, I am frustrated that I didn't get to see him, like, dominate and get a ton of reps with the ones. I would have loved to see that too. but I don't know why there was like this expectation that he wasn't going to go through the same process that every fourth and fifth round pick goes through in the NFL, which is, hey, you got to dominate on the second and third string first, and then you just start getting reps.

1:17:25Listen, I say all this as a fellow Clevelander, and I hear with the chatter around Cleveland and how everybody just – you get Deion Sun in the building. He enjoys being in the limelight. He enjoys being on that football field. He's got excitement. He's the showman when he plays. It's just, it's so fun to want to root for that. It's fun to imagine what it would look like if they let 12 go out there and shake it, man. Yeah. I mean, that is the fans' perspective. The way these battles usually work is it's a competition, but the teams have in their head who they think is going to win the competition leading into it.

1:18:03That's almost the way all of these competitions and position battles take place. And if one person shows above and beyond that they are outperforming the other guy, they usually win the competition. If that doesn't take place, the team usually resorts back to giving it to the person that they expected and have confidence in leading into the competition. I think that that pretty much is how this all took place. I don't think it was some outrageous conspiracy. I don't think that it was a major disservice. I just think that this is the way it unfolded. And it's not the last opportunity Shador Sanders is going to get.

1:18:40He's going to get plenty of opportunities to prove he is the guy. It's not over for him. This is just the way this season is starting. And hopefully all of us fans get to see him play. Because I think selfishly we all want to see it. Give the people what they want. Let them. Just let them do it. Give them the keys. Give them the keys. All right. I'm going to try and channel my inner Taylor Swift. So last thing before the season kicks off, if there's one thing NFL fans aren't getting tired of seeing is getting another edition of your NFL Sunday ticket commercial starring Jason Kelsey. Jason Kelsey.

1:19:22Dude, they are fucking good though, man. Let's see this one. With NFL Sunday ticket and YouTube TV, Jason Kelsey can watch every game every Sunday all in one place. But how much NFL in one place can he handle? Yes! Whoa!

1:19:49What have we done? NFL Sunday ticket on YouTube TV. Every game, every Sunday, New Year's Day. Jason getting fired up for some football, baby. What's better than that? Listen, I'll say this. First of all, it's a joy to do those commercials. YouTube TV keeps it fun. I cannot emphasize as a fan, and I'm not getting into anything other than user experience. It was so goddamn frustrating not being able to get the NFL Sunday ticket without having DirecTV for all these years. And that is not, I'm not trying to throw shade at DirecTV, but the fact that I can now have YouTube TV downloaded on my phone, on my iPad, on my television.

1:20:32I can get all of the games outside of the ones that are on streaming channels, which is a little frustrating. I'm not going to lie. But I am so fucking happy to be able to watch football no matter what I'm doing. You were watching football games at a tennis match last year. Yes, I was. I just really appreciate that the Sunday ticket is with YouTube TV. I think the ease at which it is to navigate and watch football has made me a whole lot happier. Young people will never know how frustrating it was to try and watch every game in the NFL. They won't. You used to have to go to a bar. Like, if I didn't have DirecTV, I had to go to Buffalo Wild Wings or I had to go down to some bar to watch all the games.

1:21:18Now, I just fucking can have any iPad I want. I don't have to have some ridiculous satellite on the side of my house. I just need a fucking Wi-Fi. I don't even need Wi-Fi. I can just have LTE. streaming shit while I'm mowing the grass, I can be watching NFL games. It's the fucking best thing in the world, all right? It is easily one of the most happy products I've ever had to advertise, if you can't tell, because it's great. It's a great product. Yeah, dude, I'm right there with you, man. I can't stress it enough, man. It makes it so fucking easy to watch these games. Shout out to YouTube for figuring it out for all those NFL fans, man.

1:21:53We appreciate you guys. Alright, and that wraps up Preseason Bold Topics, once again brought to you by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. The greatest invention since sliced bread. All righty. Well, speaking of plugging some things, Trav, you have some things going on off the field. I got so much shit going on. Kelsey Car Jam is back for a third year in a row, baby. That's right. Kansas City, get ready to show up and show out for another car show. We do it every single year for the Foundation 87 and Running, and this year it will be held Friday, September 26th from 5 to 8 p.m. at Knuckleheads here in Kansas City.

1:22:32Nice. So make sure you get your tickets at 87running.org. That's www.87running.org. It's one of my favorite events to do, man, and the entire city shows up every single time. I love Kansas City for always showing up. My foundation, 87 and Running, helps support the underserved youth in Kansas City, in Cleveland, where we're from, in the Heights, and specifically Operation Breakthrough here in Kansas City, which has been an organization around for a long, long time that's helped out the Kansas City youth and has really raised a lot of kids, man, put them through school, helped them get educations, helped them eat throughout the week when their families couldn't necessarily provide.

1:23:18Man, it's such a beautiful organization. But a lot of the people that are familiar with 87 are running my foundation and what we've done at Operation Breakthrough. They know about the Ignition Lab and all the STEM programs that we've helped create for these kids that they wouldn't have so otherwise. And it's pretty cool and it's unique to anything else I've ever seen in foundation work. And I'm very honored to be a part of it. By all means, there are so many people that I should be able to give a shout out to that that have, you know, made this thing what it is and have helped these kids really learn these STEM programs.

1:23:56And one of the things that they they've done that I love shining light on is they took an old school Bronco and turned it into a modern electric car, which is going to be on site at the Kelsey Car Jam. and it's just it's cool to see what these kids have been able to do over the past you know three to four years since the ignition lab has been up and a lot of it would be on display they they they had an old school Chevy that they had on display last year that everyone got to see I actually got to drive it to a game last year um yeah the the old school Chevelle and um you know it's it's year in year out one of my favorite events like I said because you get to see kind of, you know, the city come out and support its own, man.

1:24:43And it's such a beautiful thing. And I'll vouch for this as well, guys. I went to it for the first time last year and had a blast. There's something about seeing all these classic cars and these muscle cars. Oh, yeah. I forgot to mention that. It's a car jam. Maybe it's a car show. It is so freaking cool. And people bring them all over from all over the state, all over the country. It's just a really fun night. And then obviously everything that they're doing over at Operation Breakthrough with the Ignition Lab. These kids are learning so many valuable skills and techniques and knowledge with Operation Breakthrough and with MindDrive.

1:25:17And it's just, it's incredible what they all do down there. And the car jam kind of displays a small portion of it, which is awesome. Yeah. And an ultimate nod to the kids, man. Oh, no doubt. It's absolutely insane. And if you're interested in hearing about it, I'm sure everybody from the Ignition Lab and the mechanic shop that that that's doing all these fun things with these cars, they'll be there to talk about it. There'll be cars from all over. Last year, we had a dope monster truck. And if you don't like electric cars, they got dope ass gas powered. And like, yeah, we got it. And I'll have I'll probably have my Chevy down there.

1:25:58I might even drive that thing right up to the lot and and have a few other cars on display as well. So we always get a really good show in Kansas City. Always knows how to do it. And obviously, out here in the Midwest, man, everybody loves their old schools. So you'll see a lot of people showing up and showing out. And there will be food and drinks for everybody. So it will be a good opportunity to bring the entire fam on down. But that is not everything that I have going on. That's right. That's right. Yeah. So as of today, we will have dropped the collaboration between True Colors and American Eagle.

1:26:32and I am the creative director for it. It was so much fun collaborating with American Eagle. They are so professional. They have the ability to really bring everything to life that you can imagine. I wanted to make something fun, kind of like a very flowy line that kind of just drapes on you with all these cool fabrics and these really like just great colors. I'm wearing one of the hats right now, as you can see. is kind of a suede and corduroy hat with the True Colors logo and American Eagle collaboration on the side. It's just American Eagle is just, I can't say enough about how fun they've been to work with.

1:27:12So one of the biggest things that I wanted to do is I wanted to, you know, collaborate with a lot of the up and coming. But most importantly, as creative director, I wanted to bring some amazing athletes and friends who are, you know, just real stars into the campaign and really helped push this brand and this collaboration. So we got a bunch of huge upcoming athletes like Anna Frey, young and upcoming tennis player. Drew Allar from a fellow Clevelander quarterback at Penn State. Hell yeah. Kyan Anthony, Carmelo Anthony's son, absolute stud on the court over at Syracuse. Jeremiah Smith, who is the national champion, best wide receiver in the country.

1:27:57over at Ohio State right now. We got AZ FUD, national champion out of UConn, one of the best basketball players in the country. And then Suni Lee, gold medalist. Suni Lee, gymnast. Olympian, yes. And so it's a crazy lineup of athletes, and it's been so fun, man, meeting every single one of them and hearing their story. I just can't wait for everybody to not only see the line, but see how cool these athletes make it look. I can't wait to check it out, Trev. Sounds like it's going to be awesome. Oh, yeah. I'd be silly if I didn't give everybody on the True Colors team a bunch of love. Our brother, Harry Clark, helped me a lot in terms of H.C.

1:28:42the Great, baby. He's one of the best people you'll ever meet, and he did a great job in helping kind of channel the direction of what we wanted in this. And Chris Pearson helped get the star-studded athletes that we have. So it was a real family environment. And one more last shout out. Dani Salzedo does so much for me off the field. And she does so much for True Colors. And she was unbelievable at connecting all the dots. She absolutely crushes it in the fashion world and in the creative world. So I can't thank everybody enough for really getting this thing rocking and rolling for me, man. Well done, Trav.

1:29:21Excited for that. So that being said, everybody, True Colors and American Eagle collab, the first line drops today. That's right. August 27th. Nice. All righty. 92 percenters. That wraps up another episode of New Heights. Make sure you subscribe to the New Heights channel on YouTube and follow New Heights on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. once again new heights a wonder show brought to you by nfl sunday ticket on youtube tv all right all the show on all social media at new heights show with one s for fun clips throughout the week thanks to our new heights production team and again thank you to the 92 percenters as always for tuning in can't wait to see you guys next week we're back baby yeah football's back yeah

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