Chiefs' First Win, Thiccest Sixes and Leonardo DiCaprio & Benicio del Toro's First Podcast | Ep 156

29:03It'll never not be the most exciting shit you'll ever see. Fat guy's running, period, man. It's the best. You get some big boys fucking hauling ass, man. That is one of the great things. It's one of the great things about football is that on one side, you have like Tyreek Hill, who is just like the most agile human being I've ever seen. And then on the same field, you have this Jordan Davis, 340 pounds. And he's still like an incredible athlete in his own right. I mean, even outside of that, you got offensive linemen that can't even get up to like 15 miles an hour running out there. Oh, yeah. It's just the disparity of athletes and body types in the game of football will never, like, get old to me.

29:47It's just so fun to watch. It's a beautiful thing, baby. Final thoughts on the game? Final thoughts are I think I'm happy that we won. Damn happy that we won. We got a lot to fix. But, again, it's one of those things I think it's encouraging when, you know, it just felt like one of those days where a lot of things are going wrong. We weren't playing well. let's face it the Rams have spent all offseason trying to beat the Philadelphia Eagles they lost the playoff game so all offseason they've been dedicating resources and everything to defeating Philadelphia and I thought they had a great plan coming in their players played hard and for the Eagles to win despite a lot of bad play and and things not going their way I mean It's kind of about as good as you can ask.

30:34And now they get to make the corrections moving forward. Half of our fucking wins were like this last year, dude. Seriously. There's something about teams and players. And I know the Jalen thing has been brought up. Like everybody just says, like, all this dude knows how to do is win. And I really do think that the Eagles are uniquely positioned in their mindset of like they want to win. And they're collectively motivated in how they prepare and perform. and everything is designed to just increase the optimal chances of that happening. And it's one of the reasons why they oftentimes end up getting it done.

31:09The Eagles game also gave us a new football term. What's that? The wrong game dickhead. Wrong game dickhead. Wrong game dickhead. What's that? Anybody who wears a jersey that's not Eagles or Rams is a wrong game dickhead. Like, that's what it is. That's a fair point. And the offense guy right there. He's a wrong game dickhead. Or the guy with the Imani 2 jersey right here. why would you go to an Eagles and Rams game and wear an opposing jersey like that? Like, it makes no sense. Wear a white t-shirt. Wear a black t-shirt. If I see that, I'm going to call you out. You're going to be on my Instagram as wronggamedickhead.

31:46Can people follow that somewhere? At JoeyD3444. Instagram. For all the wrong game dickheads, follow that. That's pretty fucking good. I can get on board with that. I get on board with it too. I mean, that's like, you know, you go over to like London or some of these international games. That's a different world. They don't get to see football as much. It does feel weird when you're at a game and you see a jersey that's not of one of the two teams playing. It's like, what are we doing here? You're just announcing that you don't care about this game? I don't understand what the purpose of this is.

32:19You're a Justin Jefferson fan? I get it. Yeah, this is great, but this isn't the time to be. I'd rather you just wear another sport at that point. Like, just wear, like, a New Jersey Devils jersey. What the fuck are we doing? That's fucking funny. Anyways, I can get on board with that for sure. We also have an insane witching hour in the span of 15 minutes. Talking about one of the most insane 15 minutes of NFL football watching Sunday from this past week. The Eagles obviously blocked a field goal, then scored a go-ahead touchdown, then blocked a game-winning field goal with a scoop and score.

32:53That was an insane 15 minutes. But also in that same time frame. The Browns, down 10-0, tied it at 10, then blocked a game-winning field goal from the other team, only for a few plays later to kick their game-winning field goal. The Jets were down 23-6, and Tampa is kicking a game-sealing field goal to go up 9. The Jets blocked the field goal score to go ahead 27-26. Baker then, of course, like Baker does, leads another fourth-quarter game-winning drive. I have seven game-winning scores in final three minutes on Sunday. Ties a record for a single week. Football's better than it's ever been, baby.

33:33It is. How about it, man? This is why it's the best. This is why it's the best. It's better than it's ever been, man. Fuck! In total, four blocked field goals in the fourth quarter on Sunday is the most in a single day since at least 1991. Have you guys been talking about this? Like, why are the blocked kicks feel like they're way up? Why are people trying to get rid of kicking? What are you talking about, punts? no dude everybody's like over here like why is kicking apart because it's a fucking electric play well it is when you block it it's not electric when they just are making 60 yarders like it's fucking nothing still electric no but the the it's electric because you're sitting there waiting to see whether he's going to make this 60 yarder for the game or it's going to get blocked well that's everybody's point is that it's been too easy to make these longer field goals now and people are tired of it not being like oh is he going to make it but now yeah i mean listen if People are blocking four field goal kicks.

34:23Yeah, I'm in. Let's fucking go. I'm all in on this. There's nothing more exciting than a block kick, especially a block kick for a score. Like, that is such a huge momentum shifter to end a game on that. I mean, that's better than a walk-off home run. Think about it. Ending a game, lacking a kick, picking it up, scooping and scoring. That is like a walk-off of all walk-offs right there. That is insane. 100 % it is. Yep. Gosh. That's epic. All right. Is any sport ever going to come close to NFL? No, it's not. Because no other – and here's why. No other sport plays this many games at one time. Like the NFL 1 o 'clock time slot and the 4 o 'clock time slot, you know you're going to get so much action in the span of eight hours.

35:09It's the greatest – that's why everybody looks forward to it every single week. It's so good. It's all at the same time. I'm sitting in the stadium, and I'm trying to watch the game, and i'm also on my app watching youtube tv other games i'm checking the scores on espn i'm like dude being a fan you don't know this yet because you're still playing being a fan is fucking incredible and you can watch so much i've been a fan first you're like i haven't been a fan of this my entire fucking life you're gonna find out you're gonna be seeing it a lot more when you're fucking at the game on one o 'clock and all this shit's happening across the league and you're fucking that was like your fucking one o 'clock games all right whatever you're not but you don't appreciate it the same way until you're done you're still so focused into the chiefs and i still love the eagles but now i'm looking at more of like everything happened across the league one o 'clock on sunday is like fucking let's go baby god damn that's a fun time to watch all right last thing from week three uh this tweet was during thursday night football but we thought It was important to address it.

36:11From got CTE from playing peekaboo. That's funny. Ineligible man downfield penalties are fat phobia to offensive linemen. Let the big men roam where they damn well please. I love the tweet. I think it's hilarious. Hilarious tweet. But as much as I would love to go downfield, I do think it's pretty unfair if a lineman is downfield engaged with a linebacker who's supposed to be covering like a hook to curl. I think we can agree that we should not allow linemen. I would love to run a shallow cross with Creed Humphrey blocking the guy that I'm running away from. It seems a bit unfair from a play action standpoint on what linebackers, as if what linebackers are being asked to do isn't hard enough.

36:56We're going to make this impossible for you to tell whether it's a run or pass. So, yeah, no, I'm very happy that it is a penalty. If anything, I think they could make it two yards. It used to be one yard and a healthy two. Now they go more by the letter of the law of like, no, you get a yard and that's it. We're done with the RPOs going a little bit further. I do think there's some that are called that are borderline enough on screens and whatnot where it doesn't really impact another player that end up getting called. And I think that's kind of bogus. Also, if you guys, if the offensive lineman engages within a yard.

37:34Yeah, you can block him as far as you want. Yeah. Yes. So I don't know. I think the rule is just fine the way it is. But sometimes defensive players know this now, and they can disengage with you, and you can still get called. That's happened to me before, where you start blocking a deep tackle at the line of scrimmage. You got him two or three yards on the field, and he'll throw you. And now that I'm not engaged, I'm technically downfield. But the only reason I was engaged was because I was blocking a guy within that yardage. I think that shouldn't be a penalty personally. But either way, the rule's good enough.

38:06I think offenses really pushed the limit on this stuff a couple years ago, and I think the league, rightfully so, to make it fair for defenses, got it back in line with where the rule and the intent of what it's trying to limit does. What would happen if everyone's eligible to catch a ball? I mean, I don't know. If everyone was eligible to catch a ball, it would have to drastically change how defense is taught. and the creativity for offense is so great already. If everybody's able to catch a ball, it would open up a lot more creativity and it just feels like it would be too much. I'm not a fan of it.

38:49Part of that's probably just because I know the game and the way it is right now, but thinking of a guard sloughing off and somebody having to be responsible to guard him in case somebody throws him the ball, it just feels like that's a bit too much to me. So I think it's fine just the way it is. I'm also in favor of ineligible numbers. Like I don't want to see offensive linemen starting to wear number one. I fucking hate that the NFL changed the rule for defensive linemen. Like I used to love like these iconic numbers that like defensive ends used to wear, linebackers used to wear. And like now I see like a DN and he's wearing number one or number 11.

39:26I'm like, fuck off. Like wear number fucking 98 or something like that. Like I'm not into this. If you're a big body, you're playing on the line of scrimmage, you should have a big fucking number. I don't want to see this skinny fucking number bullshit. I shouldn't be calling out number 11. He's a fucking good player. I don't even know which 11 you're talking about. Every offensive tackle in the NFL does. Mr. Micah Parsons. Well, he's not a fat boy. If you're playing on the line, you're playing a fat boy position, and you need to be playing with it. I just don't like to hold numbers. I really liked that you could tell, just as like a fan, I really like by like even like watching a jersey, looking at a jersey.

40:04I want a quarterback to wear 99. See, I don't want that. I like looking at a jersey and knowing without even fucking knowing the guy, what position that guy played. There was something about the numbers signifying what position you played. I just liked. I just, I don't know. I just was a fan of it. I don't like that now the numbers mean nothing on defense. Anybody can wear whatever the fuck they want. And then on offense, you still have ineligible numbers. That's kind of fat shaming. Now that's fat phobia. Just offensive linemen are restricted to wearing these fucking 50 to 70? Is that what it is?

40:3550 to 80? 79. That's bullshit. Everybody should be restricted. No. Receivers are restricted from 80 to, what, 100? What was the old rule? Receivers could wear 80 to 100 or like 1 to 10 or something like that? 80 to 89 and then 1 to 10. 1 to 10 through 19. 1 through 19. And then running backs were 20 through 40. 20 through 39. 49. 49. 20 through 49. Linebackers were 40 through 59? Yeah. Although I feel like they could wear 60 because Chuck Bedarek wore 60. They could get in the 60s. Yeah, they can get in the 60s. Anyways, I used to like that. I don't know, man. I dug that history of it and that the numbers had some type of specific reason to why you were wearing it.

41:16You don't agree, do you? I don't really. I haven't put too much thought into it, no. Well, that does it for Bold Topics. Brought to you by Gillette. The best a man can get. Stamp of the Week is brought to you by Black Rabbit on Netflix. I already gave Isaiah Rogers the Stamp of the Week on the Hemi nomination on Monday Night Countdown. So that is my stamp of the week. But because I gave it on Monday night, I'll do somebody different for our show purposes. Twitter user Nancy S. We sent intern branding, customized merch. No, I don't give a fuck about that. Colts running back Jonathan Taylor. I mean, he has been fucking balling.

41:56um i don't know what the fuck i'm doing i'll give my stamp to jordan davis for blocking a fucking field goal for the win i don't know what i can't think of a better one than that so i'm going there that's a good one um i'm going breakout games i'm going taekwon thorton man there you go we'll keep it in the house we keep it in house this week guys i mean taekwon thorton a guy that is uh that's kind of been knocking at the door i think ever since he came to kansas the city last year and um just been grinding day in day out getting acclimated showing the coaches he can be trustworthy but on top of that just sharpening iron just getting in there and and perfecting his craft you love it when a guy comes in and you can see the growth man yep and um for him to get a game ball on sunday night make the make the big time plays that he did and um help propel us into our first win, man.

42:49That deserves a stamp from me. I feel like we should start stamping fans of the week. We need a fan stamp of the week. And I think you got to go with the Eagles guy calling out people wearing other jerseys. Give that guy a stamp. That's a fucking great call. We got to stop it with the nonsense. We'll do players because everybody wants to hear about players, which I guess that makes sense. But I'm more interested. What is the person at the game? Show some love. Yeah, show some love to the ones. Some of that stuff is way more interesting sometimes. I'm with that. That felt like the one that was like, that was a good rant, a good grind my gear segment that I can get on board with.

43:21I'm all in on that. Stamp that motherfucker. Stamp that motherfucker. I don't know what it means, but you're stamped, Joey. Made man. Made man in the New Heights community. We've been talking a lot of nonsense. It is time, 92 percenters. Be prepared for the least professionally done interview of all time. We are in way over our head. But this is fucking, I still can't wrap my head around it. You guys are going to love this one. Or you're going to hate it because we're morons. But you'll love that. Keep your cool. Keep your cool. They're here. Keep your cool. Keep your cool. I'm super excited. This is fucking so badass.

43:57Play it cool, guys. Leo and Benicio. Let's go. What's up, Travis? What's up, Jason? How you guys doing, man? It's an honor being interviewed by you guys. Thank you. Our first podcast, fellas. We don't know what's going on. Listen, this is the most unprofessional podcast there has ever been. We act as amateurs over here anyways. All right, here we go. Jason, you want to do the honors. My brother. Oh, baby, our guest today between them have four Golden Globe Awards, two Academy Awards. They have starred in 13 films that have been nominated for Best Picture. Combined, their films have grossed almost$14 billion at the box office.

44:36You know them from their iconic roles in Sicario, Traffic, The Usual Suspects, 21 grams guardians of the galaxy as well as titanic the departed inception the revenant and now as the stars of the new movie one battle after another attitude presenters please welcome leonardo dicaprio and benicio del toro what's up fellas what's up oh my goodness thank you that's an intro that was an intro that was tough that was tough that was like the wwf That's where we go for here. All energy, baby. Hall of Famer intro, baby. How we doing, fellas? Doing good? Good, man. Great. Thank you. Coming to the end of this press tour for this movie, we've been all over the world, haven't we?

45:19L.A., London, Mexico City. Now we're in New York. We appreciate your time, man. The movie is fucking amazing. I can't wait to hear everybody's reviews when it comes out this Friday, man. You two in the movie, your dynamic is so fucking good. And Leo, you mentioned that it's political without like feeling like you're taking medicine. And I feel like your guys' dynamic of making it fun and making it like the banter is great. The characters are so great. You feel like you enjoy all the characters. When you saw the script, did you see the comedy aspects in there or like the hints of like comedy that are in it?

45:57I think the comedy came from the writing and the situation that Paul set up. I mean, he based this on like revolutionaries from the late 1960s, put in a modern day context. And then you have my character who's just trying to raise a daughter who can't get off the couch, who's too stoned to get off the couch. He can't remember the password from his past. And his only homie he can go to is his daughter's karate teacher. The comedy just came from that whole setup. And then I just continue to fail over and over. You think I'm going to use these espionage skills from the past and I just fall off the roof?

46:31we're drinking and driving. I mean, that is one of the greatest parts of the movie is like, but beneath like this very heavy setting of like revolutionary things happening and like bad actors and the government and all this, like really it's a, it's a movie about a father and a daughter and it's like so relatable on that level. And then it's also relatable. I'm like, you're doing the best you can, but you keep fucking up like that. The password scene was just brilliant. And like, it's now time. All these safeguards have been put in place to actually help protect us. And we can't even get it done because we can't remember the protocols.

47:09He's got to deal with a horrible customer service. It's so good. But yeah, there's something about, I mean, I'm a sucker for any movie about a father and a daughter, father and a son. Any way you strike it, like there's just something very like visceral when you see a character trying to protect their child. And you guys just, you did a wonderful Leo. Benicio did a great job of keeping the cool, had to keep Bob in line. Always had a beer for Bob when you saw him. That's right. Always had a Modelo light. A man's best friend. Yeah. That all came from Paul though. I mean, Paul was writing this for 15, 20 years.

47:50He wanted to do a movie like this that was, you know, that was politically charged, but at the heart of it, it is a story about a father protecting his daughter. I think it was very personal to him, too. He wanted to do a story because he was thinking about his own daughter in this crazy world that we live in. Right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, Leo, you were kind of mentioning before we even started this thing that you had always wanted to work with Paul Thomas Anderson, man. And he's one of the greats and a guy that, you know, for those that don't know, he he writes, he directs, he he works a lot of the cinematography.

48:22Like there's a lot on that guy's plate going into it. But what was it that really made you want to be a part of something or work with him on a project? I mean, he's one of those generational filmmakers that come along once in a lifetime. I remember seeing Boogie Nights for the first time. I was like, damn, this is a cultural moment. I remember playing that CD in my car for months afterwards, just thinking about that movie, the visuals. Just the fact that he like, you know, he delved into the world of porn and made all these all this humanity out of the created human beings. And then he just kept improving himself after that.

49:00I mean, from that point on Magnolia, Punch Drunk Love, There Will Be Blood was a masterpiece. You know, he's one of those. You just want to be a part of his filmography. You know what I mean? He's one of those great artists that you say, man, I just love to be a sliver in that man's filmography. Wouldn't you agree? Yeah, absolutely. I think that he's one of those few filmmakers out there also that is like totally original, unpredictable. And also, you know, like you said, he brings that human condition, which means he cares about the process of the actor, too. Yeah. Which makes every actor in this film is fantastic.

49:42From small parts, big parts, everyone is fantastic. And that's him. That's him. We got to work with a lot of non-actors too, which was cool. You know, we were in El Paso. We were in, in the border in Tijuana. We were in Borrego Springs, Northern California. And he brings in a lot of people that have these real jobs that are real shop owners, corrections officers, police, military, brings all these people in and informs, you know, the story. Like what would you do in this circumstance? And what would you say? so we got to work with a lot of people that i think informed what we were doing in a lot of ways yeah it shined through in the movie it really does a great job of humanizing some very heavy things throughout and it's i it's i always love that when you're when you're seeing um both sides everybody's acting in like self-interest human interests and really letting that shine through is just it's spectacular when a director nails it as well as he did in this film so well done fellas thank you man thank you i kind of wanted to jump on the uh the director bandwagon here benicio you worked with wes anderson yes um in the phoenician and i fucking love that one it was it was so i just i'd love the the difference in in in how both of these guys kind of um directing their own worlds and and the the the symmetry and everything west anderson what is the biggest difference from a director like Paul and a director like Wes in terms of on set and just for like the viewers that yeah dream about being on a set with these guys and you guys yeah I think that Wes is a little bit um he's got everything mapped out and um Paul is mapping it out he's got a playbook too Paul has a playbook you know he he knows what he's going to do but he allows the actors to go in and find, he's trying to catch the reality in the moment.

51:42Wes is finding the, he's trying to find the reality in a contained manner, but you can still bring yourself into it. It's just a little bit more rigid, you know, because it's, I think Wes is a little bit more like theater and Paul is a little bit more like a documentary. So if you do a play, you gotta know your lines you gotta like the blocking it's gotta be pretty much staged and then i think paul tries to catch that lightning right there on the spot you know he tries to catch it right there i mean we did many things that you know are not in the film yeah but uh but you know he's just pushing you to like not you get a chance to improvise quite a bit but I mean, with Wes's films, you don't as much.

52:31But with Paul, you do get to improvise a little bit. And he might just catch something that was never scripted. Yeah. To add to what he was saying, I mean, there's a lot of sequences. I mean, this is his first kind of action movie, Paul Tomin. And like we said, he's a master filmmaker. So I was curious what he was going to do in this genre. But he had a lot of stuff, action TBD, road trip TBD. That's to be determined. this guy comes in straight from Phoenician scheme and is like, okay, this is what my character is doing. This is what he's not doing. He's got an underground railroad situation for immigrants.

53:06I know this person in the hospital. And if you kill this guy, I'm not helping him. And we're like, wow. So we went, all this stuff. That was what was so cool about working with Paul. We went on a, we just went on a road trip for a week. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I had to, I had to set the pick. Yeah. Yeah. He goes. Yeah. I just went in there. I knew I had to set the pick, you know, all that driving stuff with the Modelo that happened in two days. Paul's like, all right, let's get a new car. Let's get some sort of a building for him to have this system. We just, we just went on a little road trip for the movie because Paul's open to that.

53:42You know, I mean, he's, he's not, a lot of writer directors, I feel like are very rigid and exactly what they want their film to be but he let us the actors really shape the characters and just said all right let's go somewhere else crew we're moving out west go that had to be so refreshing man and that's so fucking cool that's got i mean that's got to be not only a badge of honor because he trusts you guys and your professionalism but that had to be like refreshing coming from other sets i'm assuming hey he trusts me driving that car going 35 40 miles an hour with this guy our protagonist ld sitting on the edge of the window and i'm driving every now and then he will look at me like this hey are you okay you know it was that eye contact right before yeah but uh but you know i he trusts he trusts his actors a lot yeah he does i was gonna ask who um who signed on to this one first between you two i did man i did i got to he's paul's interesting he starts like a conversation with you you don't know if you're doing a movie or not doing a movie He's like, let's go have dinner.

54:44I'm like, all right, cool. Let's go have dinner. We're out in Tarzana. Some strange restaurant. Just starts talking to you. Then he took us both to dinner. Starts talking about ideas. Then he'll maybe whisper about something that you might be involved in. You're like, okay, give me a call when that happens. Then four months later, there's another dinner, right? And then I get a picture. This is the character you're going to play. And he sends me a picture of a tiger. You know, it's a poster. is a tiger dressed in a judo kimono. And that's sensei. And I'm going, okay, I get it. Okay, I get it. I get it, you know.

55:22Oh, yeah, there's hints of that throughout the movie, too. I remember seeing that in the apartments. Benicio, are you an actual sensei? Do you do martial arts? No, I did a little bit when I was younger. I did a little bit of taekwondo, and I did a little bit of judo. Okay. Which judo was kind of, like, interesting. There's a couple moves. There's a couple moves, you know, the sweep that is like it can get you out a lot of jams but i'm not a sensei i'm not a sensei leo i gotta ask you about the taser scene that was a little bit too good acting dude like you beat me to it dude have you actually been tased before did you gotta have felt that to be able to do that good i just felt the shock of what it must be like but no that was not real watched a A few YouTube videos.

56:11A lot of people are like, did you do your own stunts? I'm like, hell no, I didn't fall off that roof, man. I would not be sitting here. I was in tears, dude. I would not be sitting here. I was in tears, man. That was the cool thing about this character. Every time we got up to the point where, okay, when does Bob do something heroic? And we just were like, nah, let him fuck up with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was on his couch getting stoned and then he found out his daughter's gone. he's paranoid man he's not going to be able he's not going to be mobile enough to pull anything all the way to the end of the movie we still didn't have what the ending was going to be you know we're like yeah is this where bob does a heroic moment and then paul right there's like no what you did is moved on to the next generation she has to accept the trauma of your actions you're going to do nothing heroic except be her dad and say and never i'm here yeah i never give up i never give up yeah fucking brilliant man is it harder to act like you've been tased or high on quaaludes what's harder there i gotta say that quaalude sequence i didn't know when i was shooting it but we were there for three or four days i thought it was like a couple shots and marty had 50 shots set up for me crawling around up and down stairs falling getting into the car i was like damn i didn't know this the taste thing was like 20 minutes we were all right there you go yeah boom nailed it you guys have both worked with obviously we already talked about the two Anderson directors but Martin Scorsese, Steven Spielberg is there anything that all these guys have in common in terms of all the greats you guys have worked with?

57:47Is there one common denominator? What would you say is that one common denominator? I would say the ability to listen to collaborate I think the ones that I consider great they will listen they they're willing to collaborate and um you know some less than others but i think that you know i think it would be like a coach you know that listens to what you're on the field yeah exactly playing it you could sit on the on the sidelines and you know and imagine what it would be like but it's different when you walk in the line you know so i so i think that the directors for me are the ones that will allow you to like that will listen to what you say regarding the actual game you know and i would just add that you know some directors you have to fit into a context or a perception of a world they create you know what i mean there's a lot of plots that are hard to unravel that are very intricate that doesn't allow a lot of movement but even those directors if they're if they allow you as an actor to say you know scorsese says this all the time is i don't care about plot i don't care about plot he goes i want to go with the emotion of what the actor does because that that's the story to me sometimes it could be less sometimes it could be more but those are them when i watch a movie those are the moments that i remember you know right i don't think about oh this happened in the plot that happened i was like that moment with those actors that felt like real life to me it's funny it's crazy joe pesci and good fellas that moment he's he's trying to capture those moments of real life that make you i don't know that make you feel something that that makes you feel like you're a part of the story in a way i mean every every every movie is different every story is different every co-star is different so imagine you guys playing with a different team and a different coach almost every other game the actor has to be flexible you know because otherwise you'll break on the flip side is there a common denominator for the actor to have for like all these different direct, I mean, you guys have been with some of the best directors ever to do it.

59:57You know, is there a common denominator for you guys that you like you go in knowing that you, I don't know, you've, you've kind of, you have your style of acting, but is there any like bend in, in, in how you approach things depending on who that, who that director is? Yeah. I think for me, yes. For me. Yes. I, Hey, the bottom line is you have to be prepared. You know, you can't expect a director to be there for you if you're not there for them, too. So you have to do your preparation, your, you know, whatever it is, understand the story, where you are in the story, because a lot of movies are shot, you know, out of order.

1:00:36So I think that, you know, there's a lot of things that go into play. But I think, you know, you have to also be prepared. It's like condition training. We got to know our lines. that's like the basic fundamentals go in there know your lines and you know you're going to adapt to different actors and their style of doing things you know some people want to go more by the script some people for example like jonah hill i mean this guy's the greatest improvisational actor i've ever worked with the guy will take the take the scene off to left field and you got to somehow reel it back in and understand what the hell we have an ending to the scene you know what I mean, this character's got to get from point A, and Jonah Hill will just talk about whatever the hell he wants.

1:01:19And you just got to react. You got to be on your toes. You know, there's different actors in all these different films that have different approaches. But I'm sure there's a bunch of magic that happens when Jonah does that. And, like, I think, I don't know, there's so many similarities when you hear you guys talk about directors and coaches and teams in football, and that's how us two idiots think about the world. But, like, you know, the best coaches find ways of creating structure and putting in plays, but at the same time, allowing the personality and the uniqueness of their individual players manifest through that, right?

1:01:51Like that's when it becomes special is when you have guys who are talented and like how can we utilize these guys to their strengths, Travis Kelsey, Pat Mahomes and all that. So it just rings so true. And it also makes, not to crap on any director's specific style, but as a player, I just love when you get input and you get ownership over what is being created, right? Like that's what always makes me feel much better about it. And that sounds like exactly the way this movie went down with you guys. And that's got to be just like such a great feeling to know that this thing's coming out and the world's going to see it and that you were such not just a part of being an actor, but a part of actually making the creative piece in a more holistic way, right?

1:02:34Part of the team. Part of the team. Let me ask you guys a question. Are some of these coaches way more structured and rigid and other ones allow you to improvise more? How does it work? Leo, there are some assholes out there, man.

1:02:50I've had the fortune of only playing for one coach. Jason, he's gone through a handful of them, so he's got a bunch of different understanding of it all, I guess. Go ahead, Jason. Well, just between college and the pros, and I was fortunate. I had one offensive line coach in the NFL. And listen, I'm a good teammate. I'm a good player. I've liked, in some capacity, every coach I've ever played for. There's things you like about every single one of them, and there's things that you wish were different. But I've been a part of the micromanaging coaches that want everything done their way, militaristic.

1:03:26And I just don't think that that leads to much creative. It just doesn't ever become the maximum potential that it could be. And the coaches that know how to get the most out of people and how to motivate them, let their personality show. It's something Andy Reid, that's one of my favorite things he always says. Let your personality show. He wants his guys to go out there and be themselves because he's going to get the best version of them. Instead of trying to make them fit this specific thing, let's find a way to incorporate this guy into the offense so it's it's just done and it feels better it sounds like acting there we go welcome to Hollywood it's exactly like that I will say this coach Reed coach Reed uh came in to Kansas City um and he kind of had to break a culture so I my first like taste of coach Reed was very much you you're doing it this way you're doing it this way and and and once we kind of recreated that culture into where he could trust us and and we could collaborate and we could make it that's when we really got the the train rolling and uh and started to have a bunch of success as well as getting a guy like pat mahomes everyone starts on that totem pole of like you're gonna do what you're told to do right now yeah and then as they get to know you as they get to know your strengths then you start getting like you know they start giving a little bit more like as stout start my offensive line coach starts to understand me and we start talking the same language, I feel more empowered to be like, hey, what if we did this, this, and this?

1:04:59That's a good idea. I like this. Let's start. Let's try it out. And then it's just, it starts developing into a relationship. At least you asked. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes you can't ask. You know, you got to earn your right to party. There we go, baby. There we go, baby. I got to earn your right, baby. There we go. You already know, baby. Yeah. I was saying that sometimes the bullets are flying and you can't ask. You just got to fucking do it. You got to just go. In the middle of a whole situation, you got to do it. Some directors are like very structured too, and you got to find your way within their structure.

1:05:36Some of them are rigid like that. They have a playbook of exactly how they want the stories to go, and there's not a lot of room to play in that. But I think the funner movies to do are the ones where you get to come in with your own ideas and and change stuff around and you know um you know there's there's something about having an experience right so you work with an actor like leo for me he's been around for a while so i know we can we can move you know i look will mean something uh you know uh you know if he wants to go again i'll get out of the way so he goes again you know so there's that and that helps a lot sometimes but we had the experience of working with a lot of non-actors in this film and it was kind of funny because i think that helped leo myself bringing bringing the energy and getting these non-actors to get behind us and believe what we're trying to make them believe yeah and it was really funny they jumped right in in line you know they did came in and it and it and it set the tempo for leo myself that we were both like you know part of a team yeah you know You guys ever gone off script and had a director look at it and say, come here, son.

1:06:47Come over here. Oh, yeah. Get over here. Don't ever do that with the football ever again. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I had a director once come up to me and say, don't ever take off an article of clothing while you're talking. Why's that? I guess for the sound. Oh, for the sound. Because the mics. Because the mics. Audio guys. Yeah. Well, I don't know. But he was like, wow, what the hell? Do you guys have like a welcome to acting? Like we ask athletes this and it's kind of like when you first start, get started. Like I was playing with Michael Vick and I grew up watching Michael Vick. And it was just like a holy shit moment for me that I'm actually playing football with this guy.

1:07:27When you guys first got going, like, were there any holy shit? I'm on set with X or I'm doing a movie here or I'm a part of something. Like what were your guys kind of holy shit moments for acting? Like holy shit in a positive way or like a holy shit. It could be either. Whatever stands out. You know, I had some negative ones too. I probably had more negative ones than I had positive ones. I remember auditioning when I was very young. I was like a child actor. My stepbrother was an actor and there were these acting agents that would line you up like cattle and they just go. And I was a break dancer.

1:08:02I'd break dance for like money on the streets sometimes. So I'd like the step haircut. Oh, let's go. It was like, yes, yes, no. And they look at me, no. And then a yes, yes, yes. And they all got agents. And I remember saying to my dad, this is horrible. I went back and they did it again. Yes, yes. No. No. And I just remember my dad saying, someday you're going to have your time, son. Just keep at it. Keep at it. And then I got to do. Oh, and then another thing that was funny. I first got my. These aren't holy shit. I'm just thinking about my whole. No, this is great. This is holy shit to me. This is holy shit for those agents.

1:08:35Those agents are like, what the fuck were we thinking? Yeah. And then they gave me my. remember your first photos that you got? Oh, yeah, headshots, yeah. And they said, your name is too, I finally got an agent, they said, your name is too ethnic. I go, what do you mean? It's Leonardo DiCaprio. They go, no, too ethnic, they're never going to hire. Your new name is Lenny Williams. I said, what is Lenny? I was 1230, I said, what is Lenny Williams? So we took your middle name and we made it your, now you're Lenny. And my dad saw his photo, ripped it up, and he said, over my dead body. And I said, no, no, no.

1:09:11or Benny Dell. Benny Dell. Mr. Dell. Oh my gosh. Lenny Williams, Benny Dell. Let's go. This podcast would not be the same with Lenny Williams and Benny Dell. I tell you that right now. That WWE intro would not sound the same. But that moment that you were talking about of, oh shit, I remember seeing it, and it brings us back to one battle, was the first time I saw I met Sean Penn. you know he was he was that young actor that i was always going like i want to have a i want to do movies like he does the type of movies he does and i think was uh for me was sean pan yeah that'd be cool working with him on on this one man yes yes i mean i didn't get to i've known him i've been a part of his films uh when he directed but you know he was that oh shit is sean pan mine mine was de niro right yeah mine was de niro that audition with de niro that i had that's so fucking cool man are there any other career milestones that you guys like are thinking about like i mean we asked this to like brad pitt and ironically enough uh he said his the next thing he would want to in his like career is to work with paul thomas and anderson which is just like hilarious that he would now we're talking to you guys making a paul thomas anderson film but what is like yeah are there any bucket list career items you guys want to knock off there's a lot yeah there's a lot i mean i'm i'm getting one soon i'm gonna get to work with scorsese again and to me that man is a national treasure he's the greatest director and i'm just feel so damn lucky to be able to do it yes hey maybe you can call him for me and say hey bring benny dell i got this up and coming you down benny dell from the bronx that does sound like a Scorsese actor Benny Dell well let's get into this last segment guys that gets you out of here we appreciate you guys we got one more segment called we gotta ask you don't have to answer you can tell us to fuck off but we gotta ask you don't have to answer this is a sports podcast so we gotta ask what is your greatest athletic achievements I mean you can't compare I play basketball in high school and I got, you know, I did.

1:11:32I played varsity as a freshman. So I got the same. We're the same. Yeah. Let's go. I don't have your hands, man. I don't have your hands. I'll be in the NBA. Freshman on varsity, baby. Yeah. I, I never made any varsity, anything tried to in basketball, but me and my friends are too short. I say it wasn't any big, big achievement, but we went back to play those varsity guys a few years later. They were destroying us. This is like, you know, a half court game. Three pointers in our face over and over again. And I just said to my buddy, Alex, I said, let's go back with the fundamentals. Let's be Bob Cousy and Jerry West.

1:12:12We started to whistle the Globetrotters theme. I was like, pick and roll, baby. Pick and roll. We did that. And we're doing it so obnoxiously. We actually found a way to win this game. Let's go! Let's go! Yeah, let's go. We were a little bit of electric, man. Yeah. Pick and roll. I love it. Layups. Layups. Let's get to the rim, baby. Is there a greatest sporting event you guys have ever seen in person? Favorite sporting event? Kobe, Shaq, Trailblazers, The Lob. I think that was to win the Western Conference Finals. God, that is an unbelievable. And then I got to be there for Michael Jordan's last shot, Utah Jazz.

1:12:51That one, that was incredible. Those are two fucking bangers, man. We had Shaq on, and he said that that was his favorite dunk of all time. I mean, that is. The whole stadium just shot up into the air. I remember that. That was an incredible moment, man. Benicio, anything from you? You know, I'm thinking, yeah, well, I did go to, I think it was 1980, and it was the 60s versus the Lakers, and it was Magic Johnson was the finals. I think it was game four. It's the famous game that Dr. J does that shot. No way. The scoop. The scoop. You saw that live? I was live. No. Sitting up there. Yes. That's another.

1:13:32Oh, man. You guys have seen some fucking heavy games. Scoops it under. Yeah. Wow. Kareem is right there just watching. Oh, that is hell. Yes. So good. It feels like slow motion every time he does it, too, man. He just floats in the air. I think it was May 11th, 1980. Damn, you got the day. Yeah, I got the day. Well, because I got that. I got the picture of the of the shot. Yeah, that's pretty cool, man. That's epic, man. Damn. Those are those are some bangers. What's on your guys's Mount Rushmore of movies? It could be ones you've been in. It could be one. Travis put himself on his own list of Mount Rushmore football players.

1:14:06What do you mean? Oh, here comes the brothers. Very modest. He's a very modest man. He's just I've always wanted to be on Mount Rushmore. OK, Mount Rushmore movies. I gotta say East of Eden with James Dean I saw that when I was 14 I gotta say Taxi Driver with De Niro Scorsese 2001 Space Odyssey I don't know I feel like we're doing our greatest four of all time I'll just go with the movie that I saw when I was a kid that really impressed me was Papillon Steve McQueen and Dustin Hoffman you've seen that? I'm going to have to put that on the list, man. Check it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. All right.

1:14:47On the list. Hoppy on. And then I think you mentioned On the Waterfront. On the Waterfront. Incredible. Marlon Brando. Marlon Brando. Marlon Brando. That's all we have to hear. There we are. Let's go, baby. We kind of heard Leo mention that he saw a movie and wanted to become an actor. For both you guys, was there ever a specific moment or a specific movie that you guys watched where you knew that that was like, man, I want to do that one day. I wanted to be an actor very, very young. I remember, I remember being four, five years old and I'm like, found out you could get an agent and like do it professionally.

1:15:28And I just started begging my parents, take me to auditions, take me to auditions. It was very strange. I used to imitate my parents, crazy friends that would come over to the house and do imitations of them all day and play characters. And I was like, you could do this for a job? I mean, I don't need to go be an accountant or a travel agent. I can actually do this for a job. And I was kind of like the pusher. I was the stage child. You know, they have like stage parents that are like, you have to go to this, go to this. I was like, mom, get me to audition. Drive me there now. You knew. I knew.

1:16:00I was like, I got to get out of this neighborhood. I got to go. I love it. I guess for me, you know, I came into acting a little bit later. I came to acting when I was a freshman in college. And I think I remember seeing Raging Bull. Yeah. And I grew up in San Juan, Puerto Rico. And so, you know, it just reminded me of people I knew, you know, the Italians, you know, the Latin thing. And I just, that movie really like, it's just like De Niro and Pecci and Kathy Moriarty. Oh, yeah. everybody in it it was so incredible that movie yeah mine was east of eden i think i saw that very young rocky was also kind of like i've seen we're seeing rocky and and and doing the egg thing oh yeah and i was maybe 10 you know or or nine you know just doing the egg thing and puking yeah not as good as not as good not as good not as good yeah leo once and for all we got to know Who's your team?

1:17:00Who are we rooting for? We got all these pictures. We got all the hats. Multiple sports. Like, is there a specific one we're going for? You know, it's funny. Absolutely not. I got no team. No loyalty. No loyalty to anything. I'm a Lakers fan. That's absolutely what I could say. But the hats always just were like, oh, that's a cool symbol. That's a dope hat. And I just started doing that my whole life. I don't know. Different college teams, different football teams, different bats. not a lot of different basketball teams. Do you have some favorite ones? Because I'm the same way. Oakland Athletics, the hat, I just love the way it looks.

1:17:36It's just so awesome. Seattle Supersonics, like that jersey and color combo. I used to love that one. What's your favorite you're going with, you think? I don't know. I like the KC one. I like the Raiders hat. I like the Raiders hat back in the day. But now I just wear LA. There you go. Yeah. Can't go wrong. But you had a Bulls hat on. I had a Kills hat on the other day. Like an old school Bulls? Old school Bulls, yeah. That's what I'm talking about. I'm all about the old vintage flat brims from the 90s. Any 90s hockey, basketball, or baseball logo, I'm all in on it, man. Kansas City is a good one.

1:18:15Yeah, Kansas City. Yeah, that's a good one. They're not changing that thing any time soon. No, I have a vintage one from the 80s of Kansas City. Yeah, football. Oh, it's cool. Come on out to Arrowhead. Yeah. I love to. Come on out, baby. I love to. Yes. Get this thing rocking for you, brother. Let's go. What's the best note a director has ever given you guys? I guess I had a director. I think it was Oliver Stone once. I was doing a scene. And he comes up to me. He goes, penetrate. Penetrate? Yeah. You're staying on the three-point line. Penetrate. Bring it in. Get in there. Yeah. And I thought that was cool.

1:18:56you gotta get into the paint baby yeah i get into the paint drop foul get dirty baby yeah i think when we're talking about i guess i told a whole bunch of negative oh wow moments right no no but my my big oh wow moment was being able to do a film with de niro called this boy's life i was 16 years old that was like my i can't believe i'm on set from coming from television doing this great show called growing pains but then damn you're on a set with robert de niro you know the seriousness the focus just the whole the way i remember walking the whole set went quiet i'm like what's everyone's so nervous about i'm like jesus christ let's joke around here i was like you know and then to watch this guy's focus and i remember i had like a month a scene with him where i needed to like step up and i remember the director saying watch him because pain is temporary film is forever pain is temporary films forever i was like got it that was like the note that i was that hit me the hardest.

1:19:52Leo, I got to ask, one of my favorite movies of all time, you've been asked this a thousand times, but I got to ask, one of my favorite movies of all time is Shutter Island. Oh, cool. Do you absolutely, does he know? Does he know what's happening at the end? You know, I think Scorsese wanted that to be open-ended. I got my answer. I got my answer. I'll tell you what my answer is. My answer is he couldn't deal with the pain of what had happened to him, and he decides to go in and sort of end the pain. You know, he couldn't deal with it. He has that look back at the end of it where it's like, yeah, he knows what's happening.

1:20:30That was my answer, but, you know, these directors don't like to. Yeah, they don't. Keep it obscure. Speaking of open courts, we got one last question for you guys. We get asked all the time. Jason was a former linebacker turned offensive center. I was an ex-quarterback turned tight end. We get asked all the time what it would have been like if we would have switched positions or if we didn't switch positions. So we wanted to ask you guys if you could act in one role that the other person had started, who would you want to be, you think? Damn. That's a good question. Yeah. I mean, Sicario was – that would have been a cool thing.

1:21:11Traffic was amazing. But Sicario, that guy was fake. I like to watch that. Kill him in front of his family. That shit on that ass. I would say Wolf of Wall Street. Oh, yeah. There we go. Good answers. Good answers. Hey. The break dance. The break dance finally came back. That's amazing. Dudes, thank you so much for this. this was a fucking blast, man. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you guys for blessing us with this movie. This movie is so badass. Cannot wait to see how the world reacts to this thing. You've got to go see in the theaters too. You got to tell them to go see in the theaters, man.

1:21:56Oh yeah. In theaters. Don't wait for this thing to come out and watch it from your living room. Get the true experience this Friday, September 26th. Check it right now. One battle after another. Leonardo DiCaprio, Benicio Del Toro. Thank you so much, guys. You guys are the best. Thank you, guys. That was amazing. Thank you. thank you to leonardo dicaprio benicio del turo one battle after another is now in theaters this friday september go to the theaters and see it i'm telling you you are not going to be disappointed oh lenny williams and and benny del baby benny del and lenny williams we watched it not in theaters just to kind of get a little preview for it so but you go watch in the theaters be a fuck come on support the movies support your local theater hell yeah man it's the fuck it's the best dude get some popcorn and milk does get some cavities where are you gonna get cavities if you don't go to the movie theater what are we doing that wraps up another episode of new heights thank you to our guests leonardo dicaprio benicio del toro aka lenny williams and benny del so good make sure you subscribe to the new heights channel on youtube and follow new heights on the wondery app or wherever you get your podcast you can listen to new episodes of new heights early and after right now but join the wondery plus on the wondery You have more on Apple Podcasts.

1:23:11That's actually impressive that you can do that all while holding your breath. Once again, New Heights a Wondery Show brought to you by Reese's, Oreo cups, and dang, man, if you don't go and get you some of those peanut butter cups and Oreo cookies, man. All wrapped in one. This shit's amazing, man. Follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with one S for fun clips throughout the week. Thank you guys for giving us your time and having some fun with us. thanks to the new heights production team for always making us looking better than what we are and thank you to the 92 percenters for keep tuning in we'll see you guys next week after week four of the nfl baby yeah baby are you freaking out you're freaking out i don't know i don't know what it is those guys were fucking amazing they're cool man i fucking love cool they thought you were cool they said we were cool they said it I think they're just pros they do that every single time if we say they're cool they're going to be like oh my god I thought it was cool but they don't know that I already love them they didn't know that I was talking to some incredible actors that I have no business talking to no fucking business I just feel like every time I'm interviewing somebody like Leo or Brad what makes a good actor I just feel like Chris Farley and those like SNL scenes where they come play.

1:24:40So remember? And I want to bring up all of these like career achievements while we're talking to them. We're also trying to be, I mean, the movie that's coming out Friday is going to be spectacular. But I also want to ask about like all these other movies and things. And it's like, how do I do this without sounding just like the biggest fanboy of all time? And it's difficult. Sometimes you just got to fanboy it up, man.