Chiefs Shutout, BGs Back + Allen Iverson on Crossing Jordan, Philly Fans, Step Overs & More | EP 161

25:41That's what's so wild. It just tastes like a, yeah. Everything that's protein enhanced either has that grit or it's got that weird little artificial sweetness that you always like, you're like, oh, this is not a real thing. This is off, but it doesn't matter. However you want to level up your protein game, Starbucks is coming through to help you out. Try the new lineup of high-protein beverages at Starbucks or add protein-boosted milk to your favorite drink to customize and create your own. Swole. Yeah. I mean, listen, I can get on board with this morning routine very easily. Let's get to the rest of the NFL, including Philadelphia Eagles.

26:16Finally back in the win column. Eagles getting the dub, baby. Eagles 28, Vikings 22. I feel like there's a little bit of a rivalry in here from the days that you were playing, man. I don't know why. For sure. I might be from the outside. Oh, I know why. Outside in. Travis, you were at that game in Philadelphia, right? Yeah, I was. I loved being there. You should know why there's a rivalry. Those fans got brutalized in Philadelphia. Oh, no. They did. Dude, I was in Ireland at the Minnesota Steelers game, just mingling about the day before the game at some of the pubs. Vikings fans coming up to me, they still are talking about that game.

26:54Guys, that happened. I mean, that's over nine. We're like nine years past this, guys. Yeah, what was that, 17? 17. It's still, but that's, I mean, look at, like, that's like the last time that they've made it to the NFC Championship, right? Yeah, I think so. They've been in the playoffs since, but I don't think they've made it to a championship game since then. That was a legendary year. That was like the Kirk Cousins to Stephon Diggs down the sideline. That was a lot of juice going into that game. Did Eagles fans maybe go a little far? I'm going to say some of them probably did. I don't know if we should have been throwing rocks and buses.

27:30But I'll say this. Vikings fans came in there. Vikings fans came in very confident. Beating their chest. And they were doing skull chants on the planes and all that shit's going on on social media. They're putting the Vikings jersey on the statue. You can't entice it. Jason, we already talked about the statue. The Eagles fans are doing that. I think that that was a legitimate Vikings fan. I think that was a legitimate Vikings fan. There was too much memorabilia. There was a lot of stuff on that statue. The Chiefs one that just was written on a red shirt, that was an Eagles fan. That might have been an Eagles fan.

28:03But either way, I think I don't condone everything that happened to the Vikings fans that day, but they came in mighty confident. I mean, their defense was incredible that year. It really was. Listen, that was a fucking great game, man. It was. It was a great game if you were an Eagles fan. All right. Either way, we're going to talk about this one from this year. There we go. Eagles 28, Vikings 22. Big game for the Eagles, man. They've been obviously on a couple game losing streak, losing to the Giants on Thursday night. We talked about Cam Scadaboo and freaking Jackson Dart. And, you know, listen, in Philly, you know, when you're struggling, they're going to let you know, especially when the expectations are high.

28:44So, you know, they've been going through it. So to come back and bounce back and have this type of game, very, very happy. Not just as an Eagles fan, but, you know, happy that these guys responded this way. Yeah. Well, the offense is definitely back. Yeah. I mean, Jalen Hurts has been under a lot of scrutiny. I mean, it's still like, I think, yeah, first of all, Jalen played out his mind. I mean, what's new? It's like a roller coaster. This guy just keeps showing up the work, man. Bring it on! I feel like the Eagles, when everybody doubts them early on, I would rather start off having struggles, and then the fans get on them, and then it's like, okay, we're going to hunker down together.

29:19We're going to have to figure this thing out. Otherwise, we're all going to get killed here. So I think ultimately, nine times out of ten, makes the team better at the end of the day. It makes you circle the fucking wagons. That's right. It makes you figure shit out in-house. Yeah, we got to circle the wagons because we're surrounded by Philadelphians who are out for blood. I thought Jalen, I mean, the deep ball, he was on the money. He was hitting all the big shots down the field. Saquon was going the first drive, then Cam Juergens goes out, kind of stalled out. But the big thing I thought that was really different, everybody's already talked about it, the under center stuff, the play action, I think it seems like it added some more to the offense.

29:56So it added to it. Jalen went 19 for 23 is how it added to it for 326 yards, three tutties, AJ and Smitty, Swole Batman and Skinny Batman combined for 13 receptions, 304 yards and three tutties by themselves. You think it's a conscious effort to just throw the ball downfield or you think they're finally starting to get everybody to really play the run specifically? I just think that they're figuring it out, man. I think that the running game still wasn't really clicking. I mean, it clicked the first drive, but they stuck with it and they kept kind of trying to establish it. And then they hit the big shots when they were there and they hit the off schedule shots.

30:35And listen, Minnesota is a great defense this year. Brian Flores is one of the best coordinators in the NFL. Their weakness had been stopping the run. They were the best pass defense in the NFL, I think, to date. Been getting a lot of turnovers. So this is a huge game for Philadelphia Eagles and Jalen Hurts and these guys to get back on track. And you saw it in the emotion they displayed after the game, right? You know that they needed to get this monkey off their back, get one under the belt, and now they're going to get to go play the Giants again. It's a weird schedule where you play an in-division opponent back to like one week removed from just playing them on Thursday.

31:11But I just, these guys are great. Nick Sirianni is a fantastic coach, and I know it hasn't looked perfect up until this point, but I just got to think that these guys are, they're going to continue to figure this thing out they got great players they got great coaches and eventually you have stuff like this where it's going to explode and the running game is only a matter of time as well i really believe that they got a great when you have a 2 000 yard rusher yeah newsflash nobody's gonna everybody's gonna be focused on trying to stop the fucking run when pat went for 5 000 yards and 50 touchdowns did we the next season we saw cover four and safeties at 20 yards before the the snap of the ball you know what i mean like it's a different world uh going into that next season you you got to keep adapting you got to keep changing it up and unfortunately that means saquon might not get as many carries or might not get as many yards and touchdowns and have the crazy 2 000 yard season but it definitely doesn't mean that he's not going to make an impact and uh and it definitely doesn't mean you're not going to win football games you just got to keep finding ways week in week out to to adjust to how defenses are trying to stop you.

32:18And Saquon's coming, man. I just don't, there's no, I don't care how it's looked to this point. Yeah. What's the fucking guy from the Marvel universe? I am inevitable fucking Thanos or whatever. Saquon is inevitable. It's going to get going. All right. Jeff Stalin is a fantastic coach. They have great players up front. I know it hasn't looked great till right now. Landon's starting to get healthy and that's going to help. Cam got a little banged up and that kind of stalled things out this last week, but he's going to get back there. Eventually, this thing's going to start. We got my man Fred Johnson out there.

32:49Six offensive linemen on the field. That's dedicating to running the football, right? We get six big fuckers out there. Yeah, come on now. Let's go. We're running downhill. It'll get popping. I got no doubt in my mind eventually that run game is going to get going. And once it does, now that the pass game is starting to click, you know this, Travis, half of being successful as a passing offense is staying out of shitty situations on third down. Like, it is hard to operate continually in third and long situations. If we get that running game going, we get all these play actions off of it, whether it's the play actions under center and the runs under center, whether it's the RPOs and shotgun and the runs and shotgun, you marry all that stuff up.

33:28And, I mean, it's going to happen. I just know it. So, listen, I'm happy we got it done this week and looking forward to continuing to watch this. Looking forward to getting the Giants in Philadelphia this next week. There you go. I also get to watch Ken Scadaboo run like a fucking piss missile right into the fucking linebacker again. So can't wait to watch that. All right, here we go. Well, you're talking about big fuckers. We got a new way that big fuckers are trying to stop the tush push. Yeah. Vikings defend the tush push by having a player legitimately just lie down on the line of scrimmage.

34:05And I'm not sure what this technique is. I don't. Did it work? No, we still got the first down. Yeah, I mean, you're just trying to go to every— It was a valiant effort. —every length to not get peeled. I'm assuming that's what the center's trying to do all the time. I just like watching the creativity of it. I mean, they still got the first down, but I understand the strategy. You take out the guy's legs and have the other guys go over top. I mean, it was a good strategy. I don't know. They didn't get another opportunity to do it, So I would have been curious to see what it would look like the more times you executed it.

34:41I mean, if I was doing this and this happened in a game, I would just line up and tackle over, and I would treat the left guard like the center and just do the quarterback sneak over there. Just have Jalen roll over there and do the tush-push. But either way, I like the creativity. I like Brian Flores coming up with something that's different rather than just complaining about it and trying to stop it. Let's keep it on the defensive side of the ball. Brandon Graham has officially unretired. My man. He's back. He's back. From his podcast, Unblocked. I know that it was year 15. It was just like a great way to go out, but I don't want to have no regrets either.

35:16This is the only time in life that you could do it. After a while, ain't nobody calling no more. That's right. So he's officially an Eagle? He's officially back, yes. How about it, man? With the Philadelphia Eagles. He is on to, I guess, his year 16. I mean, he's the most tenured Eagle by far at this point. I'm just happy that Brandon's doing what he wants to do. He wants to continue playing. And that opportunity's there. And to be honest, I think the Eagles can use him in multiple ways, not just as a player, but his personality. He brings a lot to that locker room that I think will be awesome for him to be back out on the field with the Philadelphia Eagles.

35:50I think it feels right sometimes when you win a Super Bowl, you have some soft tissue things, and everybody wants what's best for Brandon, right? It's like, man, just go out on top. it's such a great way to end your career but at the end of the day man if you still want to play you gotta you gotta go play because you don't want to look back in 10 years and be like man i really wish i would have done another season i wish i would have been there with the guys for that following one and i just i i don't think anything that happens this year is going to erase the incredible career that he's already had to date right like what's the downside of this he comes back he gets injured injuries heal you know it doesn't heal having to live with the fact that you miss not playing anymore right and you wish you would have done another year so i i'm happy for brandon because i think this is the decision that he wanted to make and he's happy with it and ultimately i think it'll be good for the philadelphia eagles so uh love you bg happy to that i get to selfishly watch you again in an eagles jersey for at least one more year how about it.

36:56Shout out to BG. Jason, you actually, you're considering not coming back out of retirement. You have formally announced that you are staying retired. There's no considering. I am not coming out. It is a firm decision. Philly, the boss on X, responded to Scheffner breaking the news that BG was coming back. He says, yo, Jay Kels, you busy? And you responded, very. I'm very busy. He's got a lot going on. Too busy for football. Listen, if I wanted to and I felt like I could, I would come back in a heartbeat. I mean, I think that... I sprayed my calf jumping rope last year during the season. I knew my body can't do this.

37:39Like, listen, I might be able to go out there. But now you're a lean 265. More reason why I can't play. More reason why I can't play. Listen, like you said, they could use you more than just at the offensive line. They could use you a tight end now. I would go out there and my body would crumble if I tried to play football at this point. You just did an NFL workout the other day. I did. You looked amazing. A three-hour workout. I did a three-hour workout without having to go hit anybody. That's how long the average game is. I knew my body was done when it was done. The moment I stopped that following year, I'm spraining my calf, jumping rope.

38:14I'm pulling pecs, trying to bench press. I don't have it anymore. I'm very comfortable admitting that. More so, the team doesn't need me. They have Cam Juergens, a great center they have multiple depth players behind the center position at this point they drafted a guy this year in drew kendall and like like brandon could go back and he can do 10 to 15 snaps a game and be a major contributor to the defense i'm not what i'm not gonna go do like practice i'm gonna fucking like go anchor on bull wrestling these guys right go do 80 plays you're fucking out of your mind like there's not a fucking world Jordan Davis every day in practice.

38:51My body would break in half trying to do that dumb shit anymore. I look at it now and I'm like, I can't believe I used to do this fucking thing. You're hilarious. Yeah, no chance. And they don't want me back. So it's not like it's even. Well, let's talk about that attempted football workout with the Eagles that they posted. He responded on X saying that this was humbling. Honestly, speed was still there. Nice. But getting pinned, trying to squat 505, which is a fucking ridiculous thing to even attempt. when you only weighed 265 pounds. I don't think so. And my power numbers were weighed down. I'm going to blame us doing a full workout on the field first.

39:28I do think that was the reason. I think if I would have just went in there and lifted, I would have got it. And just know in my head, so in your head, you're like, oh, fresh Jason Kelsey can still hit it. Nice. I don't think I can hit the power numbers I used to, but I do think I could have been respectful. I definitely could have got 505. And not only that, dude, I don't know how I missed it initially when he posted it. Arnold. That's right. Arnold Schwarzenegger in the comments on the Instagram post said, he said, you just overthought it. Go do it again. I think that was a direct quote. Like, and so now I got to do it again.

40:00Cause if Arnold type me up, I'm going to go fucking do 500 pounds. I just got a little SI joint dysfunction. So I got to wait for my back to heal up a little bit, but it'll be fine. I'll go do it again. It was fun, man. I, we've been wanting to do that video for a while. I think we did the, the bodybuilding workout video, this, this off season with Dr. Mike up in Detroit. People loved it, But one of the biggest comments under that video was, you know, we want to see what a football workout looks like. And linked up with my guy, Fernando Noriega, and got a little football-specific workout in, trying to beat some of my old records.

40:29Well, I enjoyed watching you fail at doing 505 in the face that you made. Hey, I pulled my hamstring at Beer Bowl. I didn't – Moving on to some other things that Week 7 gave us here in the NFL and around the league. Broncos Giants insane fourth quarter down 19 going into the fourth Broncos scored 33 points in the fourth quarter alone what the fuck it was an insane fourth quarter um Bo Nix if you look up some of his stats when he's trailing dude I looked this up the other day hold on let me find these Okay, Bo Nix's overall completion percentage is 65.2%. Just what he is regularly. When they're leading or tied, he's worse, 62%.

41:18His rating is worse as well at 89.2%. When he is in the fourth quarter trailing, he has an 81.3 % completion percentage. That's a rating of 162.8. I saw that fourth quarter. guys were fucking making plays that's true the the last the last drive was just two jump balls crazy catches i'm like holy shit which at the same time you got to be on the same page with your quarterback and guys are making plays and he's putting it in a position for them to be able to make a good fucking play on the ball but why aren't we just doing that more it's crazy is it harder is it harder than that i think it's way harder than what you're trying to make it seem And also on top of that, there's something about, and I feel this a lot when the game gets down to the wire with Pat, too, is that you just get more locked in.

42:13You get more focused. You get more, you feel that sense of urgency to have to make the play. And all of a sudden, you start to get in sync with the guy back there calling the plays or slinging the ball around. And it's just, the ball is just kind of always in that perfect place for you to make a play. That's a trait. Some guys feel that and play worse. This guy clearly feels that and elevates his game, which is a great sign. We just got to spot him some points early, Sean. I mean, come on. Give him a lead and get this kid fired up. I don't know if that's how that works. Just have somebody at home on the scoreboard just put up a wrong score so that he thinks he's trailing maybe.

42:52I don't know if that's how that works. It doesn't happen like that? No. Do you think it's a better win for Denver or a worse loss for New York? It's definitely a worse loss for New York. I mean, they had the game in the bag. I mean, they blew it. Swag brought up a lot that they were playing prevent defense and not really playing the same style of ball late in the game. It's a tough decision to have to make as a D.C., man. And then, obviously, the Jackson Dart interception late hurt them, right? It was under five minutes. At that point, you're still in a two-score game. The one thing you can't have happen is a turnover like that.

43:23And, listen, he's an incredible quarterback. I love watching him play. Hell yeah. But, yeah, I mean, that's a learning experience for him as a young QB. How about a little late-night Monday night football last night? Listen, man, we got to see our favorite player from another team, Baker Mayfield. Shake and bake, baby. Had a rough one night. Yeah, it was. Listen, I just love getting to Washington play. I got to see him pregame. I have so much respect for the competitor and player that he is. And they played a great team. Detroit came ready to go. Dan Campbell. Dude, I feel like Baker is, like if Dan Campbell played quarterback, I feel like he'd be like Baker Mayfield.

44:03I can see Baker's a biting kneecaps kind of cute. For sure. For sure. It was a – So is Jared Goff, man. Everyone thinks Goff is – he's not a runner, man, but he's a tough son of a gun, man. He is. He is. I thought Detroit did a good job on defense. I mean, they have a lot of injuries in the backfield. Branch is suspended. I mean, it was a cast of replacements, and they answered the bell. They got after Baker up front. Aiden Hutchinson, Ali McNeil back in the lineup. up they made it difficult uh early they got pressure on them and i think it was just you know they came ready to go dan campbell's a great coach man i got it we don't talk about it enough like they're dealing with it every time we talk about the line i don't think we talk about it enough he's dealing with an entire secondary that's out branches out kirby joseph's out they're missing one of their starting corners their nickel avante maddox like they are decimated and these dudes showed up and they weren't afraid to play man-to-man.

44:59They're mixing in all the zone coverages, doing all this stuff. But there's not a team that has their self-identity figured out, in my opinion, better than Dan Campbell and the Detroit Lions. They know exactly who they are. They know exactly what they stand for. This dude has been building it the entire step of the way. They lose, and that's why they're able to weather losing Ben Johnson and losing Aaron Glenn. They know who they are. They're a physical team. They're biting kneecaps. They're going to get after you in the trenches. They're going to challenge you on defense, getting pressures on the quarterback and playing man-to-man.

45:33I know you guys just beat them. I know you guys just beat them. No, I'm saying they got power and speed on offense, man. Yeah. And a fucking smart ball player slinging that thing around, man. For sure. And I just love the entire ethos, man. They feel like they're a team. Like, they got Jameer Gibbs. They got Amon Ra. They got Montgomery. They got Jared Goff. Sam Laporta. Yeah, they got all of these great playmakers. but it feels like it's just the Detroit offense. You're hearing about Penny Sewell. One of the most recognizable players on the team is Dan Skipper. Like, he isn't even a starter. He's a fucking extra guy in.

46:07He's a replacement tackle starting right now. Like, most teams and organizations and cities don't even know who their Dan Skipper is. But in Detroit, he's celebrated. He's like, he's getting a game ball or Dan Campbell shouting him out in a freaking post-game speech, right? Yeah. I just feel like they're a unit, and I just love everything about them. They played great on Monday. I love Baker and Tampa Bay as well. These are two of my favorite teams, so I was very torn watching. I wanted it to be a great game, but I just thought it was an outstanding rebound for the Lions coming off of the Chiefs.

46:44I just think, Dan, and that entire team, and the way they play up front, the way they run the ball, the way they all work together. other guys receivers inserting into the box to uh to get a block at the second level like it's an unselfish team and they play that way across the board and it's a reflection of who their leader is as a coach and they all live it and i just love it so anyways it's that's enough for me giving dan campbell love but yeah like you said never enough baby um what do we think of the 10 p.m. kickoff did you stay up i was fucking there travis i did the half half time from detroit i i listen it's and i don't feel this way just for football we had a philly's playoff game it was a fucking playoff game that started 9 p.m.

47:36on eastern like coast it should be against the rules shouldn't be allowed why so eight o 'clock eastern is the latest Just a big sporting primetime or playoff game should start. If you want to do a regular season basketball game, a regular season baseball game that nobody's tuned into for fucking on the East coast for a West coast game, you can do it. But a goddamn primetime game shouldn't be starting past 8 PM Eastern time. You heard it here, folks. You know what grinds my gears? Time zones. Well, that does it for week seven of bold topics around the NFL. So thank you to our partner, DraftKings.

48:15All right, Brandon, let's build a same game parlay for the people. That's right. It is week eight, and we are looking at what I think a lot of people are calling the game of the week. Dolphins at Falcons. Personally, I like the Falcons right now. I like the Falcons. I like watching the Falcons. My guy, Bijan. That's my guy. Let's look at the same game parlay for this game. Jake, start us off. All right. So, Brandon, I am riding with your guy. I'm going with Bijan. B. John over his rushing yards. The Dolphins run defense the last three weeks has been horrible. So would you not take over total yards?

48:50I bet he's going to go over that at least. Right. That's a great wrinkle. We could do over total yards because they use him equally in the past game as much as they use him in the run game. But I agree. He catches a lot of balls out the backfield. He's on my fantasy team, gets a lot of PPR points. So let's switch it up. We'll do B. John total yards over. Thank you for that adjustment, Jason. I think if you look at what's happened with the Dolphins and running backs the last three weeks, putting B. John, who's arguably the best running back in the league, not named Saquon Barkley, not to, you know, shit on one of your former teammates.

49:22But if you if you're going to say, I don't think he's going to be offended by that. He watches this segment, Jake. I know Saquon is a big fan of our reads, so I'm going to go ahead and say that B. John is a top three running back in the league. And when you look at what the Dolphins have done, this is a deadly combination. I'm taking B. John over total yards. Thank you both. All right. I'm going to go. I'm going to go with a pretty simple one. I'm going to go Drake London anytime touchdown scorer. I feel like another good one. Getting hot. Dude, every time you watch the Falcons, it feels like there's two people that are targeted.

49:55B. John and Drake London. You were talking about the Chiefs earlier. There's like nine people on the stat sheet. it's a minimal stat sheet usually with the falcons it's like we're going to these two guys yep jake what's our last one my last pick the jake hater pick of the week mike mcdaniel said they're going to try and not throw 10 interceptions that makes me feel pretty confident that two is good for at least one so i'll be taking two over 0.5 interceptions that is a haters pick that's an asshole pick is what it is completely unbiased jets fan opinion that two will be throwing an interception this game there we go i can say sprinkling in like an interception pick in your parlay is pretty electric every throw is so exciting anyways that is our same gay parlay for dolphins falcons jason take us home now that everyone knows about some of the awesome bets that are available on draft kings you're ready for the game that's right and it gets better all new DraftKings customers who bet$5 get$300 in bonus bets if their bet wins.

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51:20varies by jurisdiction. Void in Ontario. Restrictions apply. Bet must win to receive bonus bets which expire in seven days. Minimum odds required. For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see dkng.co slash audio. Limited time offer. How about we get to some Stamps of the Week? Let's do it. Stamps of the Week is brought to you by Starbucks, your new protein coffee destination. How about it? Go get your protein and your coffee. Caffeine. That's genius. That wins every time. This week, we're going to do a special occasion. We've talked about this for a while on this show. Well, not a year, but it's been promised and it's been coming.

52:00And listen, if you're willing to get ink on your body, I mean, that's a stamp. I don't know that I condone this behavior. There you go. But, you know, he did it, so I think he deserves a stamp. Yeah, we sent it out in the universe and it got answered. And so, Jason, why don't you do the honors and introduce our stamp of the week. Alrighty, we do have one very special stamp of the week to hand out. That's right. We said if anyone got a Jets Jake pin-up tattoo, they could be on the show and turns out we had a fan crazy enough to do this. Let's go! Wild man joining us today. Show them his face. Show us your face!

52:42We are men of our words, so here to receive a special stamp of the week, please welcome case and barrett let's go let's go dude never in a million years did i think i'd have my name on that intro so thank you for that come on man hell yeah brother you deserve it man hell you earned it with stupidity bravery whatever you want to call it how many tattoos do you have i've got quite a few you see you're sleeved up a little bit on the arm yeah okay are most of your tattoos pinups or yeah not not all but one got a sleeve so i got you know the the cross oh nice the cross yes and then we got you know the fame one everybody wants to see let's see this

53:29it's a little generous on the body right there let's see you're telling me man i think the whole thing was generous we got a better picture of it right here so we can show the people. There you go. What has been the reaction to the Jet Shake tattoo that you've gotten from other people? It's been absolutely insane. My mom is so proud but disappointed. She's so disappointed.

53:54She's a saint, man. I don't know how I've reacted. You showed mom? That's hilarious. Oh, yeah. Day one. I'm in my 20s. You know, I'm young and dumb. This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Maybe I can make this 15 minutes of fame last 30. Who knows? I got to send it. Oh, yeah, dude. Have some fun, man. You sent it. You definitely sent it. Are you a Jets Jake fan? Like, what is – are you a Jets fan? Are you a Jets fan? I mean, you got the Cowboys hat back there. Yeah, I think that answers that. I got the Cowboys hat. I got the pictures. I got them all. All right. I'll tell you what. Why don't we bring the man of the hour in this thing?

54:26Jets Jake, why don't you come on in, man? Let's get him. Let's get him. Hey, guys. You don't know. I'll tell you what. If I didn't know any better, you two look like brothers. I know. This guy looks like he could produce the show between me, him, and Brandon. It's just three white dudes with beards. You kind of look like brothers. I'll take it. And you can pass that tattoo off on your own as soon as this is done. But I'm truly honored. Thank you for making me look way more Jack than I am in person. It was very nice and generous to you. Yeah, this whole thing has been very surreal. It's nice to finally get to meet you, bud.

55:03Yes, sir. You too. I appreciate you not thinking I'm too totally, you know, weird for having a naked version of you on my lap. You know, opportunity came knocking. Well, just to be clear, I think you're extremely weird, and I love it. You'd be right. It's the right kind of weird. That's precisely why you're here. We're on board. Are you aware the Jets have not won a game since you've gotten this tattoo? Oh, yeah. I'm very aware. You know, I'm hoping, you know, maybe if they go 0-17, I'll cover it up with the Cowboys logo. so okay i wouldn't i wouldn't do that that tattoo might be cursed it might be hey pass that off on the cowboys if jake paid for this would you get it removed at a at a laser removal potentially hey i mean yeah sure but i mean it's you know it's really worth the story it's got it's got a good story to go with it you know it's something there we go i might not be happy and every time i you know i'm gonna take my clothes off i look at my leg and i but it's got a good story so i'll go with it very good story you might have started a trend man who knows if there's if there's other podcast tattoos on the horizon man you you got any other uh shows you follow along with pat mcafee show i'd get pat on my oh yeah let's go a pin up pin up Pin a pin.

56:17Let's go. Theo Vaughn will do it with me, probably. Probably. Hey, I'll tell you what, Travis. You got the Cowboys on, I want to say, Thanksgiving, isn't it? Thanksgiving Day. Oh, yeah, Thanksgiving. Oh, yeah, right there, Thursday night. If you beat the Cowboys, hey, I'll get you on the other leg. Oh, my gosh. This guy's insane. Come join me, Travis. This guy's insane. Come join me. He just wants tattoos at this point. There's no way the Cowboys are beating the Chiefs, Harry. don't you put that don't you put that hex on me my bad my bad my bad let me ask you this case and um you're on the show you've gone to extreme lengths to get on the show do you want to share something we i got to give you some type like is there a message you want to get out there is there anything you want to say to the people watching this you know moments like this come once in a lifetime so if you ever get no matter how fucking batshit crazy the idea is for something like that You would go.

57:13You'd just take it, man. Just take it. I mean, what's the worst that's going to happen? Just take it, man. You got to send it, baby. That's awesome. You got to send it. Just got to take it. Just got to send it, man. I love it, man. That's the best advice Will Ferrell ever gave me. Full send. Full send, baby. That's right. Full send. Travis, you know, I was talking about the Cowboys, but hey, man, I'll tell you, you're doing a pretty good job out there, man. You're still balling. Thank you, dog. You already know, baby. Wait till you see me Thursday, Thanksgiving Day down there in Dallas. Fire me up, man.

57:40Start shaving that other leg, baby. That's all I'm saying. I'm going to try to find a way to get to the game. I just got a new job, so maybe I'll afford to get a ticket out there. But, hey, if you see me in the crowd after the game, just come holler. Oh, you already know. I might know a guy. What's your new job? So I inspect airplanes. So funny story, actually, about the tattoo. This guy's way smarter than I thought. No, not at all. I failed math like twice. I failed algebra. It's good that you're inspecting airplanes. Yes, sir. When the podcast came out, when you read my Reddit question, seeing if you got to actually do it, I was at this other job.

58:19And, you know, as you kept talking about it on the podcast, I was like, man, I might actually have to get this damn tattoo. So finally things happen. I end up leaving that job. And with my last$800, like I'd spent all my bills paid. And my last$800, I had that tattoo scheduled before I knew I was going to lose it. And I had a decision. and I was like, man, should I be a grown-ass adult and not get this tattoo? You know? Maybe do the responsible thing. I was like, man, fuck it. We got to get this tattoo. That last$800. Because you got to send it, baby. You got to send it, baby. Hell yeah, dog. Now you're a jet inspector with a jet streak tattoo.

58:59It's perfect. It makes perfect sense. I mean, you can't script it better. Kaysen, thank you so much for buying it. For honoring our jet streak. For sending it. That's right. You already know, man. You definitely get our stamp of the week. Our stamp of the year, man. I'm giving it to you. No doubt. A literal stamp. And a permanent stamp. Yeah, I got a permanent stamp right there. Keep Thanksgiving open, man. I might know somebody that can get you in the building. Hey, if you do, great, man. I don't want to put no pressure on you. I don't want to be a douchebag. Be like, hook me up. Nothing like that.

59:31But seriously. If something comes up, something comes up. I have left that date open on my calendar. you're the man brother appreciate you hopping on apparently we'll see you down in dallas i cannot thank you no for this opportunity man i appreciate it oh fuck it we thank you man and that does it for stamps of the week brought to you by starbucks your new protein coffee destination thank you to our sponsor peloton that is right there we go one more time peloton peloton nice the new peloton cross training tread plus is seriously next level that's right imagine having a personal trainer and high-end gym rolled into one sleek machine in your home standout feature is peloton iq that's right which has a movement tracking camera that counts reps i can't tell you how important that is because i lose track quick i get caught thinking about muscles yeah thinking about yeah was that eight was that seven i'm just i don't know now you don't have to worry about it because there's a camera that's tracking it for you it does provide real time form corrections as well oh my god making strength and training more effective than ever that's so good man this has to be some of your favorite features on the peloton it is it is the camera is fantastic again counting is hard especially when you're fatigued yeah so having this ai thingamabobber deal do it for you is a major game changer there you go there's classes you can ride the bike you can do the tread you can do strength exercise you can do pilates sometimes you gotta work on the core especially if you just had a baby i haven't had a baby why don't you tell us about peloton iq and with peloton you can get personalized guidance to suggest when to increase weights to optimize your progress and help you reach your goals the thoughtfully designed screen swivels so you can turn it around when you're uh going from running to strength training and stretching uh all in one workout you can just do it easily let yourself run lift flex push go explore the new peloton cross training Tread plus at one Peloton.com.

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1:04:28That's right. The first overall pick in the 1996 NBA Draft, 1997 NBA Rookie of the Year, 11-time NBA All-Star, 2001 NBA MVP, member of the NBA 75th anniversary team, He made a member of the NBA Hall of Fame, 92 percenters. Please welcome. We're talking about podcasts. We're talking about podcasts. Mr. Allen Iverson, baby. Let's go. What's that, man? Appreciate that, man. We get so many guests that come on that is just like, it's crazy that we're talking to them. Insane. For you, the legend that you've been and were, like the entire of us, like growing up in the NBA. Man. You know, it's an honor to be sitting here talking to you.

1:05:12Absolutely. Grew up in the heart of it. You as an icon, as a person, as a player, your swagger, how much confidence just oozes out of you at all times. Man, I can't thank you enough for who you are and what you are. And congrats on this documentary, man. Three-part documentary. It's a beautiful story of a lot of ups and downs, but it's told by you and your family and the people closest to you so that you could, I don't know, it sounds like so you could kind of like lay the law and let everybody know the truth about your entire life story, man. It's a beautiful story, man. Thank you guys, man. First and foremost, I'm a big fan.

1:05:47I love you guys. You know how much I love football. You know what I mean? I definitely know the best of the best. I've always been a fan of you guys, man. I've been a fan of your story. You know what I mean? I wish you guys make me wish I had a brother my age in that area. to navigate through life the way y 'all have together. You know what I mean? The great support system that you guys have. Man, I love mom. She's the best. You know what I mean? You know, it has to be. I just love the way she tackled the situation of having two sons. You know what I mean? And having to root for and support both of them.

1:06:28You know what I mean? I just love her to death, man. And now she handles everything. But thank you, man. The documentary is just a gift. as athletes, everybody think when they think role model, they always think little kids. It's so cliche. You know what I mean? But we inspire so many. We inspire so many adults. You know what I mean? Of all ages. You know, people of all ages. All races. You know what I mean? And it's a beautiful gift for us. And I want to give back my gift of being an open book. You know what I mean? The determined life that I've had. You know, the ups and downs, obviously, like you talked about.

1:07:03And, you know, Some of them are embarrassing, but it's a bigger picture. I feel like a lot of the situations that I've been through in life, people go through those situations and they give up. And I think that's the worst thing you can do in life is fall down and not get back up as opposed to getting up, brush yourself off, and keep going. You know what I mean? I think it's a gift to people and letting them know and understand that it's all right to be you. whoever God made you you know what I mean it's alright to be that person I think it's a disrespect to God for wanting to be somebody else like I always wanted to be like Mike but I always wanted to be myself I was happy with who I am you know what I mean and I think it's important for people to be satisfied and comfortable with being them and realize that this is I know it sounds you know cocky or arrogant but it's not this is your world you know what I mean how is it a world if you're not in it You know, I mean, everything in this world and everything that you want to achieve and life is achievable.

1:08:08And I'm that living proof. You know what I mean? And that's why I feel like this is a gift to everybody. You can see all of the things that I've been through and all the things that I've fought through and come out unscathed. And I'm still standing. Amen to all of that. Guys, that was a freaking A. That was amazing and could not agree more. I got to say, and I think you just said it on the head, like authentic, be who you are yourself, an open book. All of that is on display in this documentary. It really has been on display your whole life, brother. Like, I really think you're a living legend in the city of Philadelphia on a scale of nobody else.

1:08:45And I think not only because you were an unbelievable basketball player, but everything that you just said, like all of the press conferences, but how you carried yourself on the court, the passion that you played with, how you related to fans. Like, I think that goes a lot, especially in a city like Philadelphia, it paved the way. And in this documentary, you go through a lot of, like, all of it. And behind the scenes, it's very much an open book. Oh, yeah. So I think Philadelphia in particular is going to love this. But I think anybody is going to be able to draw a lot from this documentary.

1:09:18I don't know. Where do we want to start, Tram? We can always start back to where the docs started with you being the AP player, both in football and basketball, man. Absolute legend. You grew up in the 90s or in the 80s and 90s doing all this. And did you ever look at a guy like Deion Sanders, a guy like Bo Jackson, and think, you know what? I know they kind of cross over a little bit in terms of their leagues, but did you ever have it in your mind that, yeah, I could play football and basketball? That was the dream, man. That was the blueprint. You know what I mean? That was the – my thing was I wanted to – football was my first love.

1:09:53You know what I mean? I never liked basketball. I thought basketball was soft. You know what I mean? I didn't like, you know, I didn't like that. I remember one day, my mom, like, I had, she drug me, her and my basketball coach out of there. And I cried, I kicked and screamed. And I didn't want to play basketball. I kept telling her basketball was soft. and I got in there and I remember getting in there and all of the guys that were on my football team were trying out for basketball. So, you know, I came back home, but I'll never forget it's this legendary day that me and my mom talk about all the time.

1:10:31I was telling her, thank you, Ma. I love you so much. You know, I love basketball. You know, I want to play basketball too. And it was like that from that point on. And my dream was just to play in the NFL and to play in the NBA. And obviously the circumstances happened and I ended up having to play basketball. And then one little story is I remember being at Georgetown and I used to have to walk past the football field to get to the gym. And every day I would walk by and I would look at the players. And I think we were like division three or something. And I used to cry when I watched those guys playing because it used to hurt so bad because, you know, football was my life.

1:11:14and I used to cry when I watched, you know, looked at the field and the guys out there playing. So I took a route that it used to take me from my dorm five to ten minutes to get there. I used to not go by the football field. I took a route that was like 45 minutes. So I didn't have to watch it. And it took a lot for me to get over not being able to play football, but it all ended one day when I went into the office and asked Coach Thompson, could I play football? Could I try out for the team? What did he say? I don't think the language. It depends on what type of language I can use. You can go ahead and use any language.

1:11:56I'll tell you what. I never thought about playing football again after that, after what he said. He basically said, don't ever come to me with nothing like that, no nonsense like that. Never again. And I never thought about – well, it actually helped me because I never thought about playing again. I would just always, you know, remain a big football fan. Why were you such a big fan, girl? Like, what about the sport did you love? Like, the physicality, like certain players? Shash said it best in the documentary. He was saying, he was like, listen, there's only a few guys out here taking as much of a beating as me in this game.

1:12:30And he was referencing you and how much guys were just – you were so fearless when you attacked the rim that you were on the floor. I was going to say the exact same thing. There wasn't nothing soft with the way I played. And that come from my football roots. Like everybody thought it was a big deal with me hitting the floor. You know, I remember my coaches used to always tell me, like, if you're not hurt, you know what I mean? Like, get up. Don't ever let the other team see you hurt. You know what I mean? So, you know, I would hit that floor, but I was so used to, you know, playing football that everybody thinks thinks that it was a big deal with me hitting the floor like that.

1:13:06It was, it was nothing, you know, breaking bones and getting, you know, a hundred stitches in my face all together throughout my career. Like it was nothing like playing football though. Do you think playing football made you a better basketball player in that regard? Absolutely. I mean, I was, I was always playing football with a basketball always. That was my mentality. You know what I mean? So I implemented so many things, um, from, you know, what I could do on the football field to the basketball court. Who was AI's favorite football players growing up or favorite team growing up? I've been a cowboy.

1:13:40He know that. He sent me an autograph. He signed his name and put fucking cowboys up there. I got it hanging in my house. People coming in like, what's this all about right here? Like my man sent me that, so I got to hang it up. And so it's in my man cave. Oh, that's dope. Oh, gosh. Definitely Deion. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Definitely Deion. I mean, obviously, I'm a big Troy Aikman fan. I love Troy Aikman. Nice, man. Walter Payton, Tony Dorsett. The list goes on and on. You know what I mean? I love so many football players because I love the sport. You know what I mean? I mean, this is what you guys like.

1:14:25I know everything about, you know, you guys. I thought that we would be all right once he retired and then they get a center to come in as just as good. Hey, you're jerks. You know what I mean? And then, you know, Travis, like, I think, you know, obviously we all know that, you know, Shannon Sharp really kind of changed the game at the tight end position because he was like a wide receiver playing tight end. And, you know, you came in and just did it 2.0. and it's like, how the hell can you stop him? Because it's like trying to check a wide receiver. We were both blessed with some good quarterbacks.

1:15:07That's why. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you definitely got the best of the best with you. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? Definitely. Well, we've had a long-running debate on the show. I'm sure you know. Is it easier for an NBA player to play in the NFL or an NFL player to play in the NBA? What do you think? I would say it's a difficult question for me because I love both sports and respect both sports so much. Yeah. It's hard for me to answer because I played football and I played basketball, but I played basketball on an NBA level. And I never played on a professional level in football. So that would be something that I couldn't answer.

1:15:52And I think it'll be disrespectful for me to, you know, to answer that because I know what it took for me to get to the NBA. And I'm pretty sure what it took for me to get to the NBA, it was hard for guys to get to the NFL. So I leave that one alone. Well, I respect it. I respect it. Just so you know, I am a thousand percent on board of NBA athletes taking over the NFL if they ever decide. But I can see I can see you playing on the NFL team right now. Could you imagine AI on a field? I can still spin it. Not right now. Not right now. 30 years ago, okay. I can still spin it. But it's crazy. When you're getting older, like I'm 50 years old now, and I'm like, man, I'd be out there shooting with my daughter.

1:16:41We outside. And I'm like, I'll wake up the next day, and I'm like, damn, I don't know what we're doing, but shooting jumpers. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, man, listen, while it lasts, enjoy it. You know what I mean? Because when it's over, it's over. Like, Allen Iverson is still here, but the answer is going to heaven. It's over.

1:17:07Oh, my gosh, that was great. You were a two-way player on the court, man, just a natural competitor, no matter what you had to do to make your team win. But you were the same way on the field. You played quarterback and you played safety. If you did play at that next level or try and make a run and go into the NFL when you were younger, what do you think you were better at? Do you think you were better at or more natural at one position than the other? I always loved being a point returner. I loved being a kick returner because I thought it was basically, you know, I had too much of a big advantage of somebody, you know, running at me.

1:17:43Just like I know cornerback has to be the hardest position ever in sports. 1 ,000%. You know what I mean? It has to be. I have to be under the helm. I have to be in some type of control of the game. You know what I mean? And what better position than the quarterback? You know, you think of all how great you are. You know what I mean? If it wasn't for Patrick, you know what I mean? You have to have somebody to get you the ball. You know what I mean? And I just felt like if I had to give it up, you know what I mean, I would definitely give up the defensive side of the ball. And I wasn't a great defensive player on basketball.

1:18:22I played the passing. I'll tell you what the hot thing. I had the Kimbe behind me to make up for all of my mistakes. And we really had teams. Like the year we went to the finals, like I was the one that everybody knew that was going to have to. My job was to put the basket, you know, the basketball in the hoop. But my job was just really that and playing the passing lanes and Dikembe and T.O. Rattler made up for my mistakes. Turnovers, baby. They made up for it. Turnovers win games, man. Yeah, the deficiencies that I had, they made up for it. That's what made us a team. The things that I couldn't do on the basketball court, they made up for it.

1:19:02They could do. So when people say I carried a terrible team to the NBA finals, that was the most disrespectful thing in the world because I know what those guys did out there for us to win basketball games. Oh, you guys were a complete team, man. It was actually cool in the documentary to see how close you guys were because I think that doesn't get talked about enough in sports, especially in basketball. Everyone thinks it's like, oh, if you got the superstar, you can go all the way and he's like the team and this and that. When you see that documentary, man, you guys were tight in a group. You guys were very close.

1:19:38You could see the way you guys hugged each other after games, by the way you guys, you know, the emotion that you shared when you won and when you fell short in the finals, man. And that's the type of shit that I love, man. And still like this today. Still like that today. Still like this today? You are. That's awesome. Still like that today. Same relationship. You know what I mean? It's just the, that's one of the worst parts of retiring. You think that you know what I mean? Everybody thinks when you retire, you just gonna, it's just the game that you missed. Just playing the game. No, it's the people, it's those people that that help you become who you are.

1:20:12Like I didn't, I didn't become top 75 all time by myself. You know what I mean? I didn't become a hall of famer by myself. I had so many teammates, so many coaches, training staff, doctors, family, your friends, the whole support system. You know what I mean? When you become a hall of famer, all the people that help you get there, they become all the famers. You know what I mean? They, they help you live out that dream and, and they are proud. When they're proud of you, you know what I mean? When they walk around, they can feel like they're all the fans, too, because they help you get there. I love that.

1:20:44I love that so much. I love it, too, man. That shit's awesome. You talk about playing in Philly. How would you describe the fans in Philadelphia? I feel like a lot of times there's a lot of noise around them. There's a lot of chirping on, I guess, the attitude that they have from current players, former players, other fans. What was it like for you playing in Philadelphia and interacting with the fans in Philly? It was, I was, believe it or not, I was on both sides of it. I got the wrath, too. Everybody gets the wrath. You don't play in Philadelphia and not get the wrath. You can't escape it. Nobody's escaping it.

1:21:21Because sometimes people think that I didn't go through it. You know what I mean? Like early in my career, I went through it. Now, I mean, it was a point where I was on the trading block. It was some bumps in the road. Like it was rough. but they are the most loyal, beautiful fans in the world. I remember, you know, I used to always talk about the Eagles fans, and I was like, you know, I always loved the Eagles players because nine times out of ten we had a relationship. We were that close to each other, you know what I mean? And, you know, you see them out all the time, and, you know, me being a Cowboy fan, you know, it was difficult for the fans in Philadelphia to embrace that because they felt that I belonged to them.

1:22:08And I do. You know what I mean? But I became a cowboy. I was a cowboy 16 years before I got there. You know what I mean? I've been a cowboy for 45 years. You know, that part, they had to just understand that. And the documentary helps a lot when it comes to that too. But they're the most loyal, passionate. You know, like if you think about the stadium, I think in recent years, they had a jail cell, you know, a holding cell. Oh, yeah, we talked to Kevin Hart about this one. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He was in the jail cell at one point. No way he was in the jail cell. Come on. They are for real, man.

1:22:43And they're the most beautiful, loyal fans. Like, I mean, it's crazy that 15 years after I retire, that the relationship is still the same. Like, you can look at Michael Jordan and the relationship with him in Chicago or LeBron and fans in Cleveland. I think one of the most powerful right now is Steph. in Golden State, you know what I mean, in San Francisco. But I just feel like there's no other relationship with player and fan like it is, you know what I mean, and with myself and the Philly fans. They're just beautiful people. They've been with me. Matter of fact, we grew up together, basically.

1:23:24I became a man in Philadelphia. I was 21 years old when I got there, you know what I mean? So they were with me throughout my turbulent life, you know what I mean, all the ups, all the downs, and the good times, the bad times. And they always step beside me, and that's why the relationship is everlasting. You're hitting on so many sentiments that are true for myself as well, playing in Philly. And I think it is hard when you're going through the tough times. There's no question. They're going to make you feel it. But like you just said, if you make it to the other side of that and you show grit and perseverance and the ability to overcome those things, I feel like you're loved forever in this city.

1:24:04You know what I mean? Like you touch on a lot of this stuff in the doc and it's very much happens throughout your career. And in this city more than any, like if you overcome that, I feel like it's like you're one of ours. Like you almost have to earn the right basically. Right. But they care so much. It's like with me, like that type of shit was organic. Like, I mean, I play every game like it's my last anyway. You know what I mean? Because you never know when, you know, my high school coach told me that. You know what I mean? You never know when your last game is going to be your last game. You know what I mean?

1:24:38That's why I never, I mean, to each his own, y 'all. We're not judging nobody. I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. I'm not, you know what I mean? I mean, it's different. It's different now. We know what you're talking about. You could never come to me and talk to me about low management. Like, AI, you're not playing tonight. Why? You know, we're arresting you. In the doc, they said they had to hide your jersey to prevent you from playing when you were hurt. I can't believe somebody, like, you're resting me. Like, you're resting me. Like, that's not low management. That's a suspicion, man. Like, you know what I mean?

1:25:14Like, you're resting me. I mean, like, tomorrow we have practice. Rest me then. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's when you can rest me. Don't rest me during the game. That don't make any sense. I would have never went for that. You know what I mean? But Philadelphia, like, that's – like, I've always played every game like my last. Even if I went 0 for Winfrey from the field, had an awful game. I could feel good about myself because I know I played harder than everybody else. And Philadelphia fans, like, that's why the Eagles, if you think about the Eagles, their DNA is tough. You know what I mean?

1:25:46Now they just got all the great skills players. You know, their quarterback and their, you know, Goddard. You know what I mean? And then you got the two wide receivers. Brown. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you got Saquon. Saquon. You know what I mean? And then on defense, there ain't too many superstars. Jalen superstar, you know, basically. But other than that, everybody is just dogs. And they just feel like we can beat you ugly. We don't have to. We're just going to beat you regardless. You know, we're going to out-tough you. And that's what the city is. That's what the fans are. That's what they're used to.

1:26:20But if they don't see that effort, they can detect it. And they're going to let you know about it. You can smell it like a dog too, yeah. No doubt. No doubt. I'll tell you what, there were some dogs in that 96 draft class, man. It's got to be the greatest draft class ever, right? It's got to be. The only one even close is 03 with LeBron and Dwayne, but it doesn't have... It's crazy. So, Charby, when you say that, when you name that draft class, you said LeBron, and you will say Dwayne and you will say Carmelo. You throw Chris Bosh in there too, yeah. Kobe Bryant went 13 in all drafts. That's crazy.

1:27:03He went 13. That's crazy. You know what I mean? Ray Allen. I mean, we had Ray Allen. I mean, come on, man. Marbury, Antoine Walker, Pasia. All of these names. Hey, man. It's wild. It goes on and on. You know what I mean? And, you know, that was a great draft. What was that, 2003? Yes. 2003. But our draft, like that 96 draft was just, that was ridiculous. That was ridiculous. It's crazy. The 90s, baby. I will say this, though. I am glad that the Sixers are showing love to the 2001 Sixers and bringing back that iconic Sixers jersey. It is still to this day one of the most iconic jerseys ever, and you made it what it is today, man.

1:27:47So I'm glad they're showing some love that way. But we don't want to waste any of the time. We got one more segment, though. It's called We Gotta Ask, but you don't have to answer. You can tell us the fuck off. Oh, shit. I'm going to start off with something that I got to ask. Out of all your signature shoes, what is your favorite signature shoe? The question. It's got to be the first one. First one is the first one. All your life you dream of that. Your whole life. And then when you finally see it, like when you look at it, and then, you know, they were actually like, you know how you, they'll give you the shoe.

1:28:20and then they basically, you know, you can add or you can take away from it. Like, they could have probably handed me a Timbaland. And it would have been, you know what I mean? I would have been like, yo, this is it. You know what I mean? So, you know, just me being, you know, a Michael Jordan fan and loving Mike the way I've always loved him and wanting to be like him and, you know, and him giving me the vision. You know, that was one of the things that I cared about, having my own shoe and looking like a superhero on the court. And that was now. So, yeah, number one, the first one, of course.

1:28:54I had to ask you, and just to let you know, I had the answers. I had the answer once, man, when I was a young cat. I had the answers and the headband, but I was playing the five, though. I wasn't. I didn't handle the ride. Speaking of Mike, you said, or a lot of people say your greatest highlight in your NBA career is crossing over Michael Jordan. Do you agree with this? Is that your favorite highlight? No. No. I mean, I've done people way worse. Yes, you have. Way worse. Yes, you have. But if you think about it, you got to, you know what I mean? Y 'all know a highlight, you have to make the shot or you're not going to see it on ESPN.

1:29:36You're not going to see it on the highlights. So it's a lot of things I've done to people and didn't make the shot. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. That was way worse than that crossover. like Mike got it, but he didn't get it worse than a – You reach, I teach. No, just back up. Just back up. There it is. And don't try to beat me to the spot. If you don't want to get hit by it, just let me go by you. If you try to beat me to that spot, then you going to stay there and I'm going to be somewhere else. Do you have one in particular in mind that maybe people don't even know or remember because you didn't make the shot?

1:30:09I'm trying to like – is there a specific – Like is there one that you missed the shot and you were like, oh. Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure, like, damn. But your friends, like, your friends and your family after the game, like, man, you missed a shot. Like, damn. Because they had the game. They had the game. So, you know what I mean? And then everybody, you know, everybody, a lot of people try to lie, you know, especially the guys that play the game. They lie and say they don't go watch the games after they play them. You know what I mean? Like, you go home and everybody take the game. You better be.

1:30:41And then eventually go home and watch it, especially if you play a good one. Now, if you play a bad one, 9 hours to 10, you don't want to go home and watch it. But you're going to see it in a film session anyway the next day. So I definitely had a lot of those moments. But I made some. So, you know. Listen, you made most of them. You made the arm sleeve, the shooting sleeve, iconic to the point where it's literally you can't watch a basketball game to this day without seeing at least five to six guys wearing a sleeve. Where'd the shooting sleeve even come from? Why didn't I patent that? Oh! Where did it even come from?

1:31:22Why is it so smooth? I don't know how much time we got, but I mean, I'm loving it. Listen, we got, we're on your time, big guy. I'm loving it. Great question, but I'm loving it. The crazy thing about the sleeve is, you know, obviously you see now everybody's wearing it in every sport. If you think back on it, it was just, what is the, I know y 'all used it, man. It was the, it was the, I don't know what it's called, where the trainers used to pull it and they used to cut it. Oh, yeah, like a pressure sleeve. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I used to wear that all the time. And then my trainer had actually got somebody to make the sleeve because I was hurt.

1:31:55I used to have a bursa sack on my arm. Ooh, the bursas, man. It's two weeks in a row we get hit with bursa sacks. Those bursa sacks will swell up on you. Yes, man. I used to have to get it drained like before every game. Wow. Before every game. But it would smash you down because it looked ugly. so it would smash it down and I had the surgery and I had bone fragments so they moved it out of there and after I got the surgery I used to wear the sleeve and my trainer had someone make like the actual sleeve that they wear today so after I recovered from my injury I was so used to it I just kept wearing it you know what I mean and then the rest is history everybody just you know I guess it looked good too I had to know where it was coming from Heck yeah, he's a swag guy.

1:32:42Yeah, but I was hurt real bad, so that's why I used to wear it. I can't take the credit and act like I just, okay, for fashion, I'm going to just do this. No, I was hurt. So my trainer, I'm actually, my trainer getting credit for that. There you go. There we go. There we go. All right, Eagles Cooper DeGene brought back the AI stepover. Did you see this clip? Yes, and I always see him. I always see him out in Philadelphia. Hey, Coop is living it. Coop's a great dude. He a bad motherfucker. Yes, he is. Yes, he is. is this taunting i don't think this should be a taunting penalty if you're just getting up they said he taunted him that's a they they called it yeah you know what so so listen that looked like it was um because obviously it was um i don't know i feel like it was premeditated you know what i mean so but with mine i didn't even know that i did it like when i did that i was so into the game and and he was you know tar was a pest to me that's really he was he was I mean, we were getting ready to fight.

1:33:40He was getting on my nerves. He was grabbing. He was holding. You know what I mean? And the crazy part about it, I love him to death. Like, I love the guy. We are the best friends now. But, you know, Shaq and Kobe was teasing him before the game because he looked up at me. Like, when he was in college, I was his favorite player. So they were like, you're going to let AI come in the series and you're going to let him do this, do that. So he was trying to prove himself to those guys. so that's why we were having problems throughout the game and when it when it happened I hit the shot and I stepped over him I I didn't know until after the game that it actually happened when I was watching the highlights like I didn't even know I did it and both of you guys know you know your emotions during the game you just yeah when you're in a game a lot of times they said what happened when you crossed this person that person I don't remember I was just you know what I mean I was just playing.

1:34:35You know what I mean? So I don't know, but to see other people do it, I've seen, I think Tyler Lockett did it one time. It's just dope to me. I was about to say, whenever anybody walks over someone like that, it immediately takes everyone back to that finals game. Yeah, that's dope. I got one more for you, big guy. We always ask all of our guests that come on the show, what is your welcome to the NBA moment? We started this thing off of what is our welcome to the NFL moment. It could be good. It can be bad. It could just be something that you didn't think you were going to experience coming into it.

1:35:09But what was your welcome to the NBA moment? When I saw him, when I saw him up close, when I saw him up close, that easy, that easy. You saw Mike, you're like, oh, shit, I'm really doing this. It's him right there. I'm looking at him. I see him. It's like, mama, I made it. You know what I mean? Yeah. The moment, like the guy that I would not even be on this court right now today if I didn't have that vision, if I didn't actually want to be like him, he made it possible in my mind that I could be an NBA basketball player. And then for me to see him is a moment that is going to live in my mind forever.

1:35:59I'll never forget it. I can only imagine. You kidding me? Did you say anything to him? It's sort of like when I see him now, it's the same feeling. You know what I mean? I'm just nervous. You know what I mean? He's stosh, bro. Like, it never changed. He never looks real to me. You know what I mean? Like, that's why I know he's stosh, bro. But I've never seen a human being that didn't look real to me. Like, every time I see him, it's like, I don't know, man. It's just embarrassing. Listen, I get it. I know exactly what you're talking about. Yes, absolutely. AI, you're the best, man. Thank you so much for joining us, man.

1:36:31Big fans. I love you guys, man. God bless y 'all and your family, man. Hope all is well. Thank you, man. Thanks for having me. Shout out to mom. Your mom looked amazing in the documentary. Did it. And she could just tell how amazing she was as a mother to you. You always gave her her flowers every single time you had an award. You had her kisses on your cheek, man. I love to see it, man. Hell of a documentary. And thank you so much for coming on here and having some fun with this big dog. Thank you, baby. Appreciate you guys, man. You already know. You ever want to come out to Kansas City and see some football, man?

1:37:01Come on out, baby. Right on. You already know I do. All right, that wraps up another episode of New Heights. Yeah, baby. Man, thank you so much to the one and only Allen Iverson. Thank you so much for joining us. Also, thanks to the one and only owner of a Jets Jake pinup tattoo case and Barrett for joining us. Make sure you subscribe to the New Heights channel on YouTube and follow New Heights on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus on the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Once again, New Heights, a Wondery show brought to you by WhatsApp.

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