Chiefs Take a Step Back, Jason Does Disney, Wild NFL Trades, World Series Haters and Midseason Meme Awards | EP 163

5 Nov 2025 · 59 min

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Podcast Episode Summary: New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce - Episode 163

Episode Overview In this episode of *New Heights*, Jason and Travis Kelce discuss a range of topics that include Jason’s adventures at Disney World, the Kansas City Chiefs' recent performance against the Buffalo Bills, NFL trades, and a variety of entertaining segments including the "Mid-Season Meme Awards." The episode captures the humorous and insightful banter typical of the Kelce brothers while providing listeners with an inside perspective on the NFL.

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Key Topics Covered

  1. Jason at Disney World
  2. Location: Jason shares his experiences from Disney World, emphasizing the joy and chaos of managing his kids in the theme park.
  3. Traumatizing Rides: Jason discusses the challenges of convincing his children to go on rides they might not enjoy, particularly emphasizing a meltdown over a waffle.
  4. Memorable Characters: He reflects on his children's reactions to beloved Disney characters and highlights the joy of watching them engage with the environment.
  1. Chiefs vs. Bills Recap
  2. Game Details: The Chiefs faced the Bills, losing 28-21. Travis expresses frustration over the loss, especially being at Buffalo in a high-pressure environment.
  3. Chiefs’ Performance: Discussion on the struggles of the Chiefs’ offense, with Travis analyzing missed opportunities and the need for improvements heading into the bye week.
  4. Tush Push Debate: The brothers discuss the controversial "tush push" play, with Travis criticizing officiating inconsistencies, particularly how it's viewed differently when executed by the Eagles compared to other teams.
  1. NFL Trade Deadline Insights
  2. Trade Analysis: The brothers review notable trades, including the Eagles acquiring key defensive players to bolster their roster.
  3. Strategic Moves: Jason and Travis speculate on how these trades can impact team performance as the season progresses.
  1. Mid-Season Meme Awards
  2. Awards Given: The Kelce brothers introduce fun awards, including:
  3. I Owe You an Apology: Recognizing players or teams that have exceeded expectations.
  4. Unk Still Got It: Celebrating veteran players who continue to perform at a high level.
  5. The 6-7 Award: For notable players or moments that engage the younger audience but might not be fully understood.
  1. Pet Advice Segment
  2. Listener Questions: The brothers answer pet-related questions from listeners, sharing humorous and candid advice about pet ownership.

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Notable Moments

  • Sibling Banter: The playful ribbing between Jason and Travis adds a personal touch to the discussion, keeping the tone light and entertaining.
  • Cultural References: Throughout the episode, the brothers reference pop culture, particularly Disney characters and their own childhood experiences, which resonates well with listeners.

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Conclusion Episode 163 of *New Heights* blends sports insights, personal anecdotes, and humor, showcasing the unique dynamic between Jason and Travis Kelce. Their discussions not only provide a glimpse into NFL life but also engage with broader cultural topics, making the episode enjoyable for both sports enthusiasts and casual listeners alike.

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0:00Who is your favorite Disney character, Jason? is it goofy i mean definitely goofy growing up i fell for pluto's charm a little bit pluto is the dog which goofy's a dog as well but pluto's like the one that's actually a dog like goofy's a dog but maneuvers and talks like a human albeit a kind of like craig parmenter-ish human like not he's got a little bit of goofiness to him you know i mean exactly what i mean pluto is more of just like a dog dog pluto doesn't talk goofy is a dog maneuvers like a dog Goofy does talk, but is also a dog. Maneuvers like a human. Donald Duck's a good, solid one. Despicable.

0:37No, you're thinking of Daffy Duck. What's the difference? Well, Daffy Duck is Warner Brothers, which is not Disney-owned property. See, yeah, no. Never mind then.

0:49Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. A Wondery Show brought to you by Audible. We are your hosts. I'm Travis Kelsey. This is my big brother, Jason Kelsey, out of University of Cincinnati. Natty and dang-nam-it. Yeah. The Utah Utes got us, man. I thought we had a good chance. We got killed. Couldn't get it going. God damn it. Yeah. Defense couldn't stop, man. I'll tell you what, man. When their offense gets rolling, man, I got to go all the way west coast, play it like midnight east coast time. Yeah, it was a tough run. But shout out to Utah. And shout out to McAfee and ESPN College Game Day, man.

1:25That was a fun one. McAfee and the gang, a lot of them gave us a shout out over here. on new heights let's hear this i want to hear what this is i'd like to reiterate some of your points like hey you got really good wood too you know what i mean but the greatest wood comes from new heights and that's a cincinnati working through and through he's like a walking jason you talked about the absolute dogs from ohio how does he fucking do it it's off the cuff too it's unbelievable it has to be they don't script any of this stuff i don't it's just amazing he can just go dude he's the best man he's the best the guy's got crazy talent man but um we're moving on, baby.

1:59Good game, Utes. Arizona, you're up next, baby. Let's go, Cats. Get back on the win train, baby. Subscribe on YouTube, OneDry +, wherever you get your podcasts. Follow the show on all social media, at New Heights Show with one S for fun clips throughout the week. Jason, tell the people what we got coming up. 92 % as we got an amazing episode lined up for you today. We're going to get into a little recap of the Chiefs-Bills game, unfortunately for Travis, and then we're also going to get into a little bit of trade deadline moves. We're midpoint now, the NFL, maybe hand out some awards that mean nothing to anybody other than people that watch this show, you 92 percenters.

2:35This is all for you guys. And then we're going to check in on the Heights hotline. We've been having a lot of guests, which is always fun and interesting to talk to people who have achieved great success in this world. Far, far outreaching things that I could ever do. Maybe not Travis, but we're going to listen to some of your voicemails and answer those. And to be honest, that's some of my favorite things we do on the show. So before we get into that, though, We're going to get into a little bit of that new news. New news. All right. Now, let's get it out of the way. Jason, you're out of the house today.

3:05You're not in Philadelphia. This is correct. Pennsylvania. You are? I'm in Orlando. I'm down by our mother, Travis. Nice. You're in Florida. Florida. Florida. Is that the right? Is that the right? Florida. Yeah. No, it's great. No invite for the rest of us. Thanks, Jason. I mean, Travis, it's difficult for me to maneuver around Disney World. I could not fucking imagine you trying to do this right now. Dude, I'd just put on a goofy mask and keep it moving. I don't think they have masks. They have goofy hats. You're not allowed to wear masks? I mean, I think since COVID, I think anything flies with the masks.

3:42I did go masked one time to a Phillies game so I could sit in the outfield so I didn't have to sit in a box. How'd that go? Didn't last long. I got picked out real quick. Yeah, you did. Something about the face. It's like the shape of the face. You could just do it like a shadow of your face and people would be like, Jason. Is that a Japanese maple walking by us? I think I've seen that guy. That's lovely, man. What's been the most exciting so far? I mean, seeing the girls react to all the characters because they're still young. And Wyatt's starting to get old enough where you can see she's starting to ask questions.

4:15Or like she meets Ariel. She can't wait to meet Ariel. And the entire time she's just staring at Ariel's fin and she's kind of like.

4:25like she in her head i think she knows and like she's petting pluto and she's like that doesn't feel like a dog and then going on the ride any ride i can talk the girls into going on which is very hard here's what's hard kylie's family is not ride people kylie's not a ride person so the girls i think are that rubs off on them a little bit they're a little bit more skittish because mom's not a ride person. So whenever I'm trying to talk them into it, and then I'm an idiot. So I talked them into a ride and then it's like immediately like regret. Right. You get on the teapots and the teapots spin.

5:05And I'm like, you want to go in the teapot? I say, no, no, no. And I was like, and she was like, I don't like that. It spins. I was like, we won't spin. Dad will make sure that it doesn't spin. And in my head, of course, I'm like, she'll get going a little bit. Spin a little bit. And then she'll realize she's having fun. Cause that was big Ed. That was our big Ed's method of everything. Yeah. talk you into doing it, lie to you that you're not going to do it, then start doing it. Then you're like, you know what? Actually, Dad, this is a good idea. I like what you're doing here. It doesn't work on my kids.

5:29My kids immediately. No. I start spinning that thing, and Wyatt starts losing her fucking mind. And then I'm trying to just hold it, and she's still not having fun. No, she actually liked the teacups. Teacups, she liked. Any of the stuff where you're just basically a moving story, whether you're like Peter Pan or what is it, A Small World. They could do that all day. And then every once in a while, Dad will sneak off and do Space Mountain. We did Tron. I missed Animal Kingdom yesterday because I was at Monday Night Football. So unfortunately, didn't get to see that. I did get to eat a turkey leg while watching the parade go by.

6:03And I was just baby in this arm, turkey leg in this arm, waving to the creatures with my turkey leg. I felt like a Neanderthal, like in the most glorious fashion. So yeah, we've been having a blast. Kids are just complete chaos. I'm in a full fight with Wyatt over a fucking waffle. Ruins about 30 minutes of our entire day because she wants a whole waffle. And I'm trying to explain to her that there's only four waffles and there's like fucking 15 people. So just take a piece of the waffle. And she's like getting furious. And I'm like, listen, I'm not. I'm putting my foot down on this. You ain't getting another fucking free waffle.

6:41I'm not giving you a whole fucking waffle. You can't get her a whole waffle? And then Kyle is like, just give her the waffle. what are you doing i'm like no i'm not fucking i'm not raising some spoiled little fucking rotten child she's getting hurt she's sharing kylie actually had my back so it was good ah way to team up guy and she cried she had a full meltdown thankfully thankfully um snow white came in with no no it wasn't snow white you know who came in and saved the day jack sparrow jack sparrow came by saved the fucking day whoever was being jack sparrow was like the best version of jack Sparrow.

7:17In the morning, too? He nailed it. Absolutely killed it. And then from there, Wyatt was in a better mood, and then she found out that we were getting beignets from Princess Tiana's area. And it's like, but we're going to share the beignets, right? And she's like, yes, I'll share the beignets. I'm like, you know what? We're back. We're fucking back. You got some bougie-ass kids, man. Beignets. Travis, it's Disney World. You're experiencing culture. If you've ever been to Epcot, It's basically the most cultured place on the planet. I was going to say, it's like going around the world. Is there alcohol served?

7:51Not at Magic Kingdom, which is where we've been the last couple of days. Animal Kingdom does have, and I found this out from Dan Orlovsky. Shout out to Dan Orlovsky. The Daiwa Bar, the jungle juice, is very good in Animal Kingdom. If you're an alcoholic beverage drinker, Epcot is your place. Tons of it. I think we're going today. Can't wait to partake. Magic Kingdom, I think you got to go to like an actual restaurant, sit down restaurant in the park to get an alcoholic beverage, which is probably right. Magic Kingdom doesn't need alcohol being served. This is like the land of like children, fucking creatures all over the place.

8:28We don't need drunk dads at Magic Kingdom. Epcot, we can kind of finagle it. You can figure it out. We don't need a Jason versus Jack. Don't get too drunk at Epcot, but you can get buzzed. We don't need buzzed people walking around Magic Kingdom. This is a place of children, sir. That makes sense. Yeah. All right. Well, that wraps it up for new news. Let's move on. All right. Bold topics to wrap up week nine in the NFL. Let's start with the one you can't wait to talk about, Trav. Chiefs 21, Bills 28. All right, Trav, four losses. Man. What are we thinking? What are the initial thoughts from the game?

9:01Where are we at? I mean, obviously, it's the bye week, so I'm kind of looking at everything. Like, I've taken a step back and kind of looked at the whole scheme of things, and it's frustrating, man. I mean, 5-4, a little over 500 right now out of the playoffs if the playoffs started right now. We've got to get this shit going, man. The schedule doesn't get much easier. Our next three opponents are absolutely on fire, two in which are the Broncos who we have coming up after the bye and then the Colts after that. So we've got to get things rolling, man. And we got banged up on the offensive line and this and that.

9:40But at the same time, man, we got the players that we need, man. Even if it's the next man up mentality, we still got the guys that can get the job done, man. We just have to keep fucking figuring it out. This one was a tough one, though, man. Going up to Buffalo is not an easy thing, man. That stadium was rocking. That place was electric. Shout out to all the Bills Mafia that was talking all the shit in the world. I love it. And it's just, you know, it's a sacred place to play a football game, man, and I cherish every game that I get an opportunity to go up there. But that shit sucks when you don't come away with a victory out there because they let you have it, man.

10:14And it's frustrating. It's frustrating, especially when you think that, you know, you put it on yourself. I'm looking at this score right here, 21-28, and if I find a way to get my head and hands around on the pass that Pat threw me in the end zone right before half, I feel like we have a better chance at getting a field goal there late instead of a touchdown. That was going to be a tough catch. I hear you. Here's the reality. That play before half, we got to be able to tush push that thing in. They got two tush. We need to get the tush push down, and we need Noah Gray or somebody over there to get the tush push down.

10:51That's how they scored every time they got to the one-yard line. Josh Allen, tush push. Philadelphia Eagles, that's how we score every time we get to the one-yard line. You can't go into halftime only getting three points because you don't fucking got a tush push in the goddamn play. And I get that Pat can't do the tush push because he's got funky knees. We got to have somebody doing the tush push. God damn it. Yeah. Or we just, you know, strike with low leverage, you know, head in the hands, run the feet and give the ball to Kareem Hunt, who's one of the best right now at short yardage situations.

11:23I was going to say, I did actually see that Kareem Hunt had a higher rate than the tush push league wide in short yardage situations so far this season. I don't know if that's true. This past week, I guess he did get in there later in the game on the one, really short one. It took a couple, but he got in there. I honestly think that halftime, only getting three points there, was one of the biggest points in the game. Because if you go into halftime, sneaking out a touchdown there to end it, that's such a difference in kind of where you go. I mean, you would have been down 17-14 at that point. I know you had a lot of other game left.

11:59All I'm thinking of is that last drive. Like now we're throwing a Hail Mary instead of trying to kick a field goal to tie it. For sure. It changes it completely. And listen, the Bills were really good on offense. Uncharacteristic game for the Chiefs defense in terms of rushing the football, especially. Like that's one thing that like Spags is very good at. That defense holds their hat on is shutting down the run and making teams one dimensional. They did a great job against the Detroit Lions. One of the best rushing teams in the NFL. The Bills have done a great job the last two weeks. Josh played his tail off.

12:30He did. He did. He had three incompletions. He had a great game, yeah. The Bills played a phenomenal game in all phases. Offensively, they played well. They ran the ball well. Josh played great, threw the ball extremely efficiently. And then defensively, McDermott had a good plan coming into it, and their players executed it. I mean, they got pressure on Pat. Joey Bosa had a great game. They kept running the pops on the tackles, but it was a unique way where the backer would kind of like come over late so it wouldn't feel like it was a game. And then the guard wasn't really getting it on top of the tackle.

13:04That got home a couple times. It got pressure on Pat. And then I think whenever teams can get pressure on the quarterback rushing four, it's really hard offensively to have production, especially when you're in third and long situations or you're in a fourth down, got to have it. If they can maximize coverage while only having a rush four, it's hard. and they execute in that area. Yeah, the biggest thing was third and longs. We got to get out of third and longs. And, you know, it's all right if you have a few of them. But when you have over a handful of them, if you've got like five or six, third and eight, third and ten plus, like you're making your day way harder.

13:44I got to give a shout out too to Colt Bishop. He made a bunch of like really good plays in that game for Buffalo. I feel like when you're in those soft zones, what you've seen Pat a lot of times do is you go to Worthy underneath on some of these jet sweep things. He does that thing where he catches the ball, and it's out of his hand quick. And he was – they were playing these soft zones, but he was playing aggressive underneath those and really jumping a lot of that, which allowed them to kind of do both, it felt like. I thought it was a – you could tell that he was prepared coming into it, made a lot of good plays.

14:19And I think 100 % to echo what you're saying, staying out of third and long makes a big difference. Yeah. And when it is third and long, it's already hard to pass block. And when you've got guys like Joey Bosa and schematic things that I think Buffalo is doing a really good job of up front to create pressure, it just makes it hard. Trav, speaking of Cole Bishop, how are you feeling after the hit? It knocked the wind out of me. He caught me. I got kind of sandwiched in there. I haven't had the wind out of me in a while. That's a fucking annoying one. You know you're okay, but you've got to just kind of...

14:54no it's coming back it'll come back it'll come back i can breathe in a second no i'm good i'm good i'm good football god damn it it's the best go into the blue tent you got your wind knocked out what why am i in the blue why do i go into the no it was at halftime and then i got like got evaluated in the locker room yeah i had to get evaluated in the locker room i'm just sitting i'm like why what is this why is this what day is it fucking sunday what What? It's Saturday. Get me the fuck out of here. Before concussion or after a concussion, I don't know who we played last week. We're in week nine.

15:34Are you kidding me? You're going to make me sit here and fucking. Who did we play last week? The Commanders. There we did. We played the Commanders. Oh, gosh. The concussion testing is kind of funny. I do enjoy baseline testing because the first time you do it, it's a surprise. And they give you the four words at the beginning. And you don't know they're going to come back at the end of the test and recite the same words. But then every time after that, that trick doesn't work. You go into it like, yeah, I'm going to need to remember these all right. Think about these the entire test. And then at the end, I'm like, ace that motherfucker.

16:13And I'm like, actually, it's going to be really hard to come back from this concussion protocol now. Exactly. That's the thing. You've got to make the baseline test literally the baseline. You can't do it. What? I don't remember. You gave me words at the beginning of this test. Oh, shit. Yeah. Anyways, Chiefs also are headed into the bye, as you just stated a little bit ago, Trav. I know you guys just lost, but you lost to probably one of the other front runners in the AFC in a tight game at their place. Just a week ago, the Chiefs were everybody's darling again in the NFL. Now the Bills win, and it's kind of changed.

16:51But I think everybody still is of the opinion that the Chiefs are playing really good football right now. I know you're going to buy a little bit sour from the Bills game, but you've got to feel pretty good with where the team's at. I feel good about it because I know the characters that we have in the room. I know the guys that we have there, and we're going to come back recharged and ready to rock and roll. And I can't say that I'm not frustrated more from the entire start of the season than just this Bills game. I mean, there's games that I don't think we had any business losing. I feel like we didn't come out with our best punch against Buffalo.

17:28And we got to find a way to clean all that up, man. We got to get back to playing passionate Chiefs football, dying for each other out there on the field, man. And whatever that takes during the week to get yourself ready on Sundays, man. Even on a short week, it doesn't matter. No excuses. We got a few games ahead of us where we're going to have short weeks. I think there's a stint around Christmas where we have like back-to-back short weeks. Yeah, this has been the motto of the Chiefs. When you win a bunch of games, you play games on odd days. Yeah. Yeah, I think you guys are rolling right now.

18:06You get Josh Simmons back. That'll be good for the offensive line, hopefully. Just get my guy back in the building, man. Yeah. I miss my guy. Fair point. Then now you guys are two games back of Denver. You have a chance to move closer to that right after the bye week. Do you guys think at all about home field advantage in the playoffs or any of that stuff, or are you just one week at a time? At this point, it's got to be one week at a time. You can't be thinking about trying to get home field this, home field that. Obviously, you set goals out in the beginning of this season to win the division, win the conference, get that home field advantage, make everyone have to come through Arrowhead.

18:42But right now, it's just not that. And I'm not thinking about that. I'm thinking about how the fuck are we going to beat the Denver Broncos? That's going to be on my mind for the next two weeks. Well, for the next week, at least take your mind a little bit elsewhere. Are you doing anything fun? Are you going to get into travel? What are you doing here? What are you doing over the week? Tell us about your personal life. No, no chance. See you guys. last thing the bills are the actual kings of the tush push hate that you guys put this in there and said that but uh one of the things that was fucking crazy to me watching is just like every time i watch the eagles play and they do a tush push it's like a complete meltdown on social media to like the nth degree of like it shouldn't be allowed it's unfair they cheat all this stuff I watch the Bills do it.

19:30It's like celebrated. Everybody's like happy, but I don't see one fucking person talking about the problem with officiating it or anything. Everybody's just like, oh, what a great play by the Bills. Really smart heads up play by his buddy to push him in there. And it's like, yeah, thanks, guys. I agree. Yeah, man. It's I mean, I feel like the Eagles just they get away with more. on the push push. Everyone else kind of just plays it fair. Plays it much more fair. Nobody else is trying to exploit the rules of it. Nobody's jumping off sides. The officials, for some reason, just officiate it much better on all the other ones where there's not.

20:09Nobody even questioned the touchdown. They're on pins and needles when the Eagles push push. Nobody even questioned the touchdown. If Jalen Hurts would have been granted a touchdown when Josh got that one granted, it would have been insane. People would have been, they're just going to give him that touchdown. We got to ban it. We got to get rid of it. Josh Allen scoring, what, is the most rushing touchdowns ever by a quarterback? I mean, that could be celebrated. Yeah, I'm pro-tush push. I think everybody should be pro-tush push, but everybody's not pro-tush push. It sounds like you're kind of sour about all the other teams.

20:41I am sour that the Eagles face a lot of criticism for a play. I hear this all the time. It's hard to officiate. Well, why is it not hard to officiate for the other 31 other teams now that are running a version of this play? Everybody in the league is running the tush push, in some degree now, other than the Chiefs, which you guys need to. I'm telling you for your own fucking good you need to. It's a cheat code. Do it while they let you. I'm good. I don't want anything to do with it. Okay, well. I'll let my older brother have the honor of being the Tush Push King. um the um just running a play action roll out with patty mahomes it's just overall the false starts and stuff get brought up when the eagles do it i watch on monday night a short yardage play the cardinals run a short yardage play the guard clearly leaves early and not a fucking peep about it on social media and i just like it's so unfair In the words of Ed Kelsey, life is unfair.

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24:52All right, let's get to the rest of Week 9, brother. Let's do it. Starting with Little Eagles. have the greatest bye week of all time. The Commanders, Cowboys, Packers, Lions, Giants, all lost. The Eagles won a game without playing a game. They won a week without playing a week. Now a three-game lead in the NFC East. Well, the NFC East is a debacle right now. Nobody's good. Before the season, I was like, gosh, you know what? That's going to be another fucking tough division. Yeah, well, Washington was in the NFC. I mean, it was the NFC Championship game last year in Jaden Daniels' rookie year, and they've been hurt all over the place.

25:26Terry McLaurin's been hurt. Debo Samuel's been out. Jaden Daniels has been out. Now Jaden's out for a long foreseeable future with the elbow dislocation. So it's not looking good. Their defense is atrocious. The Cowboys' defense is not good. And I don't know what Jerry Jones' move is today. It hasn't been released yet. Apparently he's doing some type of trade, although he might have canceled it based on the performance last night from the Cowboys. We'll see what happens. No, they just picked up a linebacker. A linebacker. That'll help out. Who was it? Logan Wilson from the Bengals. Nice. The NFC East might have three of the worst four or five defenses in the NFL.

26:03I mean, the Bengals are the only ones competing right now with the Commanders, Cowboys, and Giants. Who else is worse on defense? I don't know. It's bad. It's bad defensive ball right now in the NFC East. Good if you're the Philadelphia Eagles, given a lot of locker room material, but whatever. Well, the Eagles making moves as they always do right before the trade deadline. They acquired Jets cornerback Michael Carter II, Ravens cornerback Jair Alexander, who was formerly a Green Bay Packer, teamed back up with his old Green Bay defensive backs coach. And Dolphins edge rusher, who was a big – he was a hot commodity during the trade deadline.

26:46Jalen Phillips reunites with Vic Fangio. 92 %ers remember him as the guy who called me eyebrows. That's who called you eyebrows. That was nice. That's good shit. It was too good to not stop me in my tracks and make me laugh. So he's going to bring a lot to the defense. I mean, the defense, the thing that they've really been missing is the defensive backfield and depth, really, at edge position. I think they have good players there. Nolan Smith has been hurt. They lost Sweat and Brandon Graham in the offseason. They lose Milton Williams. Now, all of a sudden, BG comes out of retirement. Nolan Smith is going to get healthy eventually here.

27:22And now we got Jalen Phillips coming in, who's been a proven good rusher in this league. And he's familiar with this system in Vic Fangio. Yeah. I think it's a no-brainer. It feels like it's going to make a big difference to the depth of the defensive line, as well as getting pressure on the quarterback. I wanted to ask you, so Michael Carter gets paid by the Jets. He's renowned as one of the best nickelbacks in the NFL. Supposedly his game has kind of tailed off a little bit because of injury in recent years. And then Jair Alexander, who at one point was considered one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL.

27:59And then all of a sudden this season, people have been crushing him and he just hasn't had the year he's won. So I want to ask you, someone who's gone up against both of these guys, what is the New Heights take on these guys as players? Did the Eagles win in these moves, in your opinion? I honestly, I never played Green Bay to the point where I was guarding. Well, yeah, hopefully we got – this is the reality. The backfield with Quinion and Cooper is really good. It'll be interesting to see how these new pieces fit in. Michael Carter, as we've said, has been a nickel. We have one of the best nickels in the NFL in Cooper DeGene.

28:39Does he slide out and play outside corner? Does Michael Carter become a starter? Do we start with Jair outside at the cornerback position and keep Cooper inside? It's going to be interesting to see how Vic utilizes these new pieces, but it does bring a level of competition talent to players who have been really good in this league before in the building, which I think in general hopefully will improve. That's what you want around the trade deadline to make a run, though. You know what I mean? For sure. You want guys that are experienced, that understand defense, you know, recognition, can get lined up at least and not be scared of the moment.

29:20I think that's what you guys got for sure. And I think – Not necessarily scared, but don't let the moment get too big. It also just reemphasizes the team's idea on how competitive we are right now. You don't go out and make all these moves. Yeah, makes them every year. Howie might have been the only person with a busier phone than Adam Schefter this weekend. Making three moves at the trade deadline, it's pretty – Did you guys lose anybody? How do you guys just trade and picks? I think this is all picks. Jalen Phillips was a third-round pick, but I don't think we gave up players, if I'm not mistaken.

29:52He could be even brewing up something else. And the rest of the league could be brewing something else. It's only Tuesday morning. Like we said, the trade deadline isn't until later today. I will say, I'm giving the Cowboys defense a lot of crap. I do think, like, Iberflus' scheme, you need to have really good linebackers if you're going to run this cover two shell. That's why they went out and got Wilson. If you want to run cover two, if you want to play with two safeties back, you have to have great linebackers, and you have to have some guys on the D-line that can get after it. You've got to have six guys that can stop the run and get after the passer in the box.

30:321 ,000%. Hopefully this guy gets them closer to that for the Cowboys' sake, for the Eagles' sake. I hope he doesn't work out at all. All right, now that does it for the trade deadline. Jason, let's get into the rest of week, whatever it is. Okay, we're officially at the halfway point of the NFL season. Let's hand out some halfway points, halfway point awards. That's a weird way to say that, halfway point awards. We based all the categories on memes. For the player or team that isn't getting talked about enough, we're handing out the I owe you an apology. I wasn't familiar with your game award.

31:06There's a lot of people that can win this one. That's the thing about the NFL season, man, is somebody could get hot right now. Somebody could just, a team could just like mesh. And a team could get an injury and then all of a sudden be buns. I mean, look at the Ravens first half of the year. Lose two games early on, get decimated with injuries, and all of a sudden they're back to competing. So who do you think is a, you know, was not given enough credit? I mean, obviously the Colts are probably the biggest thing. Daniel Jones, I would say. And a little bit of a letdown this past week. But another one's a sneaky one, man.

31:39Sam Darnold up there in Seattle. Seattle's all the way the fuck up there in that Northwest, man. And they just don't get talked about enough. They don't get talked about at all. That team is fucking physical. They have a number one in that wide receiver room. Yeah. That dude, Jackson and Jenga, bro, what? Yes. That dude is fucking nasty. He's crazy routes. Yes. He's pissing everybody off that plays him. He's a fucking problem. And then their run game is fucking downhill. It's coming at you, and that's giving Sam Darnold a lot of time back there, man. Yeah, they're running that Kubiak system. And Sammy D's fucking balling, man.

32:17They're running that Kubiak system very well. Clint Kubiak is – I mean, it feels like the same thing as when I was watching Houston with Arian Foster and all those guys. I mean, it's – the run and play action marries up very well. And Darnold is fantastic this year. I mean, it's crazy that one playoff game, Everybody had already come back around to Sam Darnold being a good quarterback. Then he has one absolutely terrible, like a couple games to the end of the season. And then everybody was like, oh, yeah, I guess Sam Darnold actually does suck. And then he's out there again. He's like first or second in QBR through the first half of the season.

32:53Like he's balling out. And, yeah, it helps to have JSN this year just like it helped to have freaking – Justin Jefferson last year. Justin Jefferson last year. But Sam Darnold is slinging it. Leonard Williams, the guys they got up front on defense, they have some players in Seattle. NFC West is going to be an interesting one because I think the Rams have also, they could very easily, I mean, you take away a blocked field goal and a fourth down conversion, and they haven't lost a game this year. Isn't that crazy? You could just fucking pull out two plays at the end of a game, and it's like that's how close victory is in this fucking league, man.

33:33So I'm with you. I think Seattle and Darnold got to be the I owe you an apology. And I think everybody kind of owes Darnold an apology. All right. For the veteran that is still balling out, it's the Unk Still Got It. I'm not familiar with this meme. What's this meme? Can I see this one? Unk Still Got It. It's impressive that Unk ever had that. Ah, that boy going crazy. Unk Still Got It. How do you even find out that you could do that? Unk is traditionally an older player. Got to be an older player. Got to be an older player balling out. Yep. I feel like Stafford is the obvious choice because he's – I mean, he might be – he's definitely up there in contention for MVP through the first half of the season.

34:15But I feel like nobody thought Stafford didn't have it. Like everybody kind of knew Stafford's a great quarterback. Are you kidding me? Yeah, Stafford's unbelievable. So Funk still got it. I feel like it's got to be – It's got to be one of the oldest players in the league. It's got to be Flacco, right? It's got to be Flacco. Like, nobody expected him to go out there and throw for 470 on a team that he's only been on for like two weeks. Yeah. The most by a 40-plus-year-old quarterback in the regular season. The only 40-year-old quarterback who was thrown for more was Tom Brady in Super Bowl 52.

34:50Yeah, I remember that one. That was a wild one. That was a fun game. For the team that is getting healthy at the right time, we're calling this the ambulance, but not for me. I don't know this one either. Am I just not plugged in on these memes? No, I don't know this one. I knew the last one, but I don't know this one. Hopefully the younger audience gets this one. All right, we got Ravens, Tampa Bay 49ers. The thing with the 49ers is are they even getting healthy? I feel like a lot of the guys they've lost are freaking out. Yeah, that shit sucks. I think they got Kittle back last week or two weeks ago.

35:23I guess. Do they even want Procbrier to come back at this point? Mac Jones has been balling out. The way Mac Jones has been balling, man, Man, that's a tough decision because you paid Purdy a lot of money. And I didn't like Purdy was playing bad. It's just Mack Jones has really played well in his time. It's tough, man. It's tough. I mean, I still feel like Tampa Bay is the real deal. Once they get healthy, I think they're going to be competitive. I think Baker is one of the best quarterbacks in the league. They've kind of been injured to this point, and they're still one of the top teams in the NFC.

35:55Ravens, I mean, those are two good options. All three of these are really good options. I'm going to go Tampa Bay. I'm going to keep on the Baker Love Train. Yeah, keep it in the NFC. Yeah. For the team or player, we can't really explain, but it gets the kids going. The 6-7 award. Nice. That's a good one. That's a good one. You know about this one? It's just supposed to mean like it's okay, but then at the same time nobody really knows. Everybody just kind of says it now whenever it's just like a 6-7. Yeah. All right, whatever. I feel like the 6-7. Who's got the juice? It's got to be Jackson Dart, right?

36:32He's gone in and played really well. I love the energy and effort and excitement that he's had on the game day, but it doesn't feel like it's not all there yet. There's still a few pieces away up there in New York. And that's the perfect for the team or player we can't really explain, but gets the kids going. I mean, he gets the Jackson Dart scadaboo, really scadaboo, was the scadaboo is it there still ah man broncos are another good choice i don't know how you feel about that but the broncos defenses lights out bo nicks is only good when his team is losing for some reason bro the guy when it when it comes down to it listen the guy just needs pressure he needs pressure he needs to be like oh shit shit's fucking hitting the fan i gotta fucking make a play exactly and he does crazy and he does every time yeah i've seen it firsthand last year he tried to pull off like a second half like downfield lateral yeah i don't know if you remember this bro and i was like bro he's out there doing this shit with the fucking game on the line man fuck do you want to name the broncos the 6-7 award or is that feeling no i think i think it's either drake may or i just feel like even scataboe on the drake may is a 10 you can't give him a 6-7 award this dude is balling out right now 6-7 to me is not balling out 6-7 is like you're having a moment you're playing well but you're not like the best i thought it just kind of got the kids going for some reason i saw a video of uh of drake may and his uh his tackle they're at a uh they're at the boston celtics game and they put drake may up on the uh on the screen on the floor and everybody's going crazy and there's a boston celtics kid like a kid like a fan in the stands that had a i love drake may shirt on and he was going fucking nuts i mean it Definitely gets the kids going.

38:26I just don't think that that's what 6-7 is. I don't. Yeah, trick me. Sure. Yeah, you fucking crushed it, Jason. Thanks for selling that bit.

38:35You leaned in. Thank you so much. You didn't just leave that out to dry. Fuck. That was great. Sold it. Do you think I know what 6-7 means? I don't fucking know. All right, that's our midseason awards. And that does it for week nine bold topics. This show is sponsored by Liquid IV. God, I hate IVs, but I love Liquid IV. It's no secret that we have insanely busy schedules. Between podcasting, attending, and playing in games, workouts, meetings, family events, we barely have time to catch our breath some days. That's right. And trying to stay on top of your game when you're running on empty. Now, that's rough.

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43:32win to receive bonus bets which expire in seven days minimum odds required nba league pass auto renews until canceled additional terms at dkng.co slash audio limited time offer all right now let's move on to stamp of the week stamp of the week and brought to you by starbucks nice man god i could use some starbucks right now your new protein coffee destination i could use some protein and some caffeine are there other protein coffee options i think that's the only one i've never heard of it never heard of it very good protein coffee all right nominees yeah who you going with big guy well we got nominees nominees the owl that attacked brian schottenheimer i did not see this he was attacked that's a that's so that's not photoshopped there was actually an owl in his house chas you remember when there was a bat in our house growing up a bat there was a bat one year and then there was a bird i just remember the bird i don't remember the bat we had a bat one year and a bird another year those didn't fare too well over at the kelsey household well flash flash was a badass she was she had a lot of that stuff she wasn't she wasn't we found dead birds all the time dead birds mice yep you name it like little gifts all right arch manning little gifts clearly uh intern brandon put that in there baseball we're gonna stamp baseball for what listen just because the phillies didn't make it doesn't mean the world series wasn't absolutely epic that was the awesome seven games of fucking baseball man it was back and forth every team was both teams had their had their shining moments blue jays are up all game going into the eighth inning so you're telling me i'm supposed to get excited about a canadian baseball team and a team that just spends more money than everybody else who the fuck cares about both of them both of them spend more money than everybody's it's the baseball well yeah that's why baseball sucks That's why baseball is like, you just buy World Series championships.

45:25It's the dumbest thing in the world. It's exciting. It's exciting that the team that spent the most money and everybody knew was going to win the World Series won the World Series. It was an unexpected person that won it for them. Everybody knew this was going to happen before the season. We just had a bunch of meaningless shit happen before it, and then it happened. And on top of that. You still got to go do it. I'm not. Yeah, well, they did. Yeah, they did it. So, yeah, no, baseball not getting my stamp. baseball get a stamp if it adds a salary cap and starts making people actually having to win championships on merit rather than just spending a bunch of money on japanese phenoms but it is fun when one of those teams with merit find a way to get the win you know they don't have merit travis they they have merit one of the teams that don't pay for it find a way they did like that's The Blue Jays are high in the payroll as well.

46:18That's what I'm saying. No, I'm saying this year wasn't it. When has it been it? When the guards went to the World Series. Did they win? Unfortunately, no. Oklahoma kicker Tate Sandell. As a coach, get off the field, son. Go put pants on or you're not playing for me. I don't think this should be allowed. Kicking is already too easy. Why the fuck is this dude's... Why am I seeing VMOs? I see his goddamn quad muscle. I don't want to see this. I don't want to see Daisy Dukes on the football field. Just put the fucking pads on. His fucking VMOs. His helmet that looks like he's from the Little Giants.

46:54Cam Little sets the record for a field goal. I mean, it's impressive. He fucking kicked a field goal that was snapped at the 50-yard line. That's fucking insane. Yeah, that's crazy. I'm going to go with my guy, Brock Bowers, man. I love giving tight ends the love. And Brock has been injured. He's been banged up all year. He comes back and man alive. two fucking great touchdown grabs as well as 133 uh it through the air man actually three touchdown grabs i should say but two of them were absolutely electric one an option route that he broke off the defender and fucking man the guy can fucking roll i want to know how fast that guy was going um on on his uh long touchdown and then uh the back shoulder one-handed grab where he landed on his back in the end zone man rocky b rocky my stamp of the week brother stamp of them is a bad I already gave my Hemi award on Monday night to Sam Darnold.

47:44I'll give it to the kicker, not the one with fucking shorts. I'll give it to the one that made a 68-yard field goal in the NFL. I think that's pretty remarkable. I routinely am known to shit on kickers, so I'm going to do the honorable thing and give the award to somebody who set a record. Chicken Little kicked a 68-yard field goal. Brand new record. Well done. And that does it for Stamp of the Week, Brought to you by Starbucks, your new protein coffee destination. 92 %ers, it's time for a special edition of Heights Hotline, Pet Parent Edition. Brought to you by Hills Pet Nutrition. Brandon, can you please show some of the product to our fine viewers?

48:24That's right. We got Hills Pet. We got the pet. Oh, yeah. Wonderful, wonderful. This is a Hills Pet dog right here. As we said, this Pet Parent Edition is brought to you by Hills Pet Nutrition. Because while your pets are perfect, you're only human. 92 %ers, we asked you to call in your pet advice questions. So let's take a listen to some of these voicemails right now. Can't wait. So me and my fiance, soon to be husband, are thinking of getting another puppy. We have a dog who's three right now. But with just like a 9-5 job, we're just wondering, is there really any good time to get a puppy? Do we just kind of pull the trigger with it?

49:04Because there are a lot to handle. So if you could just give your advice on if you think that there's really any good time of the year to get a puppy. Any good time of year? I mean, it depends on your setup. I'll say this. It's not a good time to get a puppy if you're having kids because that is having a puppy, trying to potty train that thing, while also trying to potty train a human being is a difficult thing to freaking navigate. The dog is now pissing in the urinal. Yeah, pissing shit happening all over the place. And the kid is now pissing outside. Yeah, it's not ideal. You don't want that.

49:39I would say winter, depending on your climate. But winter, typically you want to let the dog outside if it needs to go to the bathroom. And going outside for a walk or just letting the dog outside, depending on your setup at your house, is difficult sometimes when it's cold out there. Summer, you want to be out of the house and doing stuff. You don't want to be weighed down by a puppy. so i would say i think fall spring spring's a good time if you want to get a fucking puppy you're it's you're gonna make the decision to take care of the dog no matter when you get it and that's gonna have at least some inconvenience to your life you know it's gonna switch up your daily routines and shit like that so it's like the best time is whenever you're up for switching that routine soon to be husband's a good time to get one too you can find out a lot about the nurturing habits of your soon-to-be husband.

50:31If he's shit with a puppy, I mean, you might not want that guy around. It's a good test. Dogs are a good test for humans as parents, which I do not pass usually. Don't listen to him. Good Lord. No, you get one of these things. Do we know what breed it is? No. Do we know where it's from exactly? Also, no. You get one of these little creatures, it just hangs out with you all day. That's a cute, whatever it's doing with its ears, I like that. Let's be honest, the breed matters a lot. The breed does make a big difference. when you're adopting. And could not possibly tell you what breed this is. His DNA test came back like a fucking pie.

51:04But you can see its face. It's a harmless dog. Look at that face. Look at that face. So get you one of these. That's somebody that just wants to be loved. See? Yeah, I would adopt like an old bloodhound. I would just get like an old bloodhound that just can't even move and it just sits on the front porch. It just drools and farts all day. And its lips and ears are just like matted down onto the carpet. What's the next question? My name is Ruth. My question is, was there any kind of pet that either of you wanted as a kid that your parents absolutely wouldn't have allowed. Like, for instance, my mom would have been cool with just about anything, including snakes, which I am pretty sure that's not the norm.

51:40But like, is there anything that Mama Kelsey or Papa Kelsey would have immediately vetoed? Also, my cat, Autumn Willow, she watches the show with me every week. Okay, Autumn. All right, Autumn. Nice. Shout out to Autumn. I don't think we would have been allowed to get anything other than a dog and a cat. I think that's where mom and dad drew the line. I remember bringing it up that I wanted a ferret. I thought they were the coolest animals ever. Very much remember that. Then learned that they're not very, like, my college roommate had a ferret. Who had a ferret? And I got to, Isaiah Pede. Isaiah Pede had a ferret?

52:16Dude, yes. I forget the name of it, but it was living in our dorm room illegally. Yeah, of course. Frowned upon because you can't have pets in the dorm rooms. I was the same thing with Marcus Barnett. Marcus Barnett had an alligator in the dorms.

52:33Bones Barnett, man. That's right. God damn it. What a legend. Yeah. So a ferret is a very, it's a, I mean, you got to be ready for the room to smell like absolute shit. It's going to be a fucking mess. Those things are not like as cute and friendly as you would hope they were. I feel like we talked about, definitely remember you wanting a ferret. Yeah, my dad mentioned that when I told him. I was like, yeah, my roommate has a ferret, and it is the fucking worst. And he's like, hey, you remember when you wanted that fucking rodent? Yes. Dad got fired up. He was like, thank God. We didn't fucking lean into that.

53:13I feel like we almost got a hamster. The rodents were definitely a thing for a little bit. Then there was like a rabbit. Somebody had a rabbit or a bunny, one of our friends. And we talked about that for a little bit. No chance our parents were letting us get a snake or anything like that. We'd have done something done with it. I do remember you wanted a pygmy marmoset. This is when you're a full-grown adult. I wouldn't be surprised if you still want it. Pygmy marmoset. You remember those little finger monkeys that you got into? Oh, yeah, we were fucking around with that. Those things look fucking cool.

53:44I just saw them flying around, jumping on fingers. I just wanted to put my finger in the air and see it jump from one side of the room onto my finger. I did have a buddy that had a monkey growing up, and I remember going there and seeing the cage for this thing and just being like, what the fuck i was like a kid and i was like why the fuck do you guys have a monkey dude you know the one the pet that i kind of want now i saw one online where uh somebody had like a like a full on not a sea turtle but like those old the tortoises that grow to be like a hundred turtles no they're like just like a it's just a big tortoise i can't giant tortoise or whatever it's called yeah i know i know exactly they had them in chicago and it was like had a garage beer on its back and it was just walking down the street i was like god dang a tour a tortoise like that would be so fucking sick but then it's like all right where do i keep this thing because it's 100 years it outlives you pass it on down yeah it's bill he's older than everybody in the family you're stuck with him now it is now a year inconvenience good luck caring for him in the winter in pennsylvania um do you recommend exotic pets for kids jason i don't remember exotic pets for anybody.

54:54I think exotic pets should stay exotic. Wild animals. Dogs and cats are kind of the big ones. Do you know the one that's kind of getting interesting? Donkeys? Like a miniature donkey? That's not an exotic pet. That's an exotic pet to fucking me. Hi, my name is Eleanor, and I'm calling regarding pet parenting advice. I have a five-year-old cat. 1950s name right there. And I'm getting ready to adopt a younger brother for him. And I I just need to find a perfect name. So my question is, what should I name my new male kitten? Perfect. Perfect name. That's a tough task. What did she say the older cat's name was?

55:32Franklin. That was Franklin the cat. I like Franklin. I'm a big fan of human names for pets and pet names for humans. Franklin is a great name. Franklin is a good one. I like that. So she's kind of into this territory. What's a good pet name for a male cat that's a younger sibling to Franklin? I mean, if you're going Franklin, why not keep it in the childhood cartoon, like kids? You know what I mean? Like, hey, it's Franklin. You can go Arthur. Arthur. That's it. That's it. I mean, I think that's it. Artie? You got Franklin and Arthur. No, Artie. Frank and Art? Frank and Artie, yeah. I think we just did it.

56:07That's the perfect name. She's not going to think of it. Eleanor's not going to get it better with an art. What are some other options? We got Arthur. Arthur's great. Doug. Doug Funny. Doug doesn't feel like a cat. I'm not getting a dog. Unless it's like a cat that just fucking sits around. Doug kind of does Doug. I don't know why Doug kind of feels like a fuck up for a name. Yeah, I think it's Arthur. Arthur is the perfect name. As we've said, we like people names for pets. I think it's always fun. All right. Now that does it for the Heights Hotline Pet Parent Edition. That's right. Brought to you by Hills Pet Nutrition.

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57:08And thanks to the New Heights production team for always making this look better. And yeah, we're on the bye week. So I'll see you guys next week after I don't play football. Bye, 92 %ers. See you guys.

57:28robin williams is the genie in aladdin is the best it's the greatest nobody's done a better voice acting role in anything ever i don't think i don't know shrek was pretty good not even fucking close to the comedic timing and ability that robin williams executed with the genie from Aladdin. I mean, it's the only reason the movie is like redeemable. They tried to redo it with Will Smith and it was a fucking disaster. Like nobody liked it. You thought it was a disaster. I thought it was pretty good. I mean, you are so out of your fucking mind if you thought that movie was even remotely good. I thought it was good.

58:03And it was bad because everybody expected the genie to still be Robin Williams. It's not like an indictment on Will Smith. Anybody in that role was going to fail. I remember the songs in Aladdin a lot. They're great. It's my favorite Disney flick of all the old school ones that's the ones i watch i like the messaging behind it and like i think it's a great film it's a fantastic film and then of the new ones i'm kind of into coco which really isn't even a movie for kids like a child watching coco gets nothing out of it but if you're an adult you're in tears at the end of it it is fucking an intense movie just telling you dude you're fucking knee deep in it some of the new movies are a little bit too straightforward with what they're trying to message they're too descriptive the songs are more straightforward.

58:45Like there's no interpretation. It's all just like, this is what this movie's about.

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