Coaching Changes, Wildcard Recap & Jameis Winston on Giants Rookies, QB Celibacy & TD Catches | EP 175

26:44And we got a boatload of talent still left in the playoffs, baby. Yeah, baby. Get to some of the other games in the wildcard weekend. We already talked about that Bills-Jags game, but that Rams-Panthers game was just as exciting. A little bit more action on the offensive side. 34-31 Rams. Friend of the show, Matthew Stafford, went to fucking work. It's so fun seeing that dude play the game, man. How he can manipulate the defense with his eyes and his shoulders and just how he casually goes through progressions as a quarterback in the pocket. It's just fun as hell to watch that guy go to work, man, especially later in the game when it all counts.

27:20Panthers almost pulled it off, and I think that was the bigger story is that the Panthers actually gave the Rams a hell of a fucking fight. That was definitely the story. I thought that the Rams would win this game pretty handily. The Panthers kind of snuck in there. Hats off to Bryce. Put up fucking 31 points in a wildcard game. He made a lot of freaking big plays. Hell yeah. Yeah, Bryce Young continues to just improve and improve and improve. A guy that I think everybody was questioning whether he was going to be a bust or out when he got benched, what, two games in the last season? Yeah. Has reemerged.

27:51And, man, the Rams defense aren't any slouches, man. They got some horses over there. Their front can get after it. So, heck of a performance. I know it's not the outcome the Panthers wanted. at this point in the NFC, I do think it's going to come down to the Rams, Seahawks. I think they're the most talented teams left. Seahawks, it'll come down to, like, if Sam Darnold can deliver, that defense is, oh my god. They fly around, dude. It is so fucking fun to watch them. They've got to be ready, though, man, because, I mean, as much as we love to see how that team is played throughout the season and in big moments, to feel like they're ready for these big moments, playoff football is playoff football, man.

28:29It is just a different beast, and you got to kind of have an understanding of what you're getting yourself into. So it's exciting to see, but Sam Darnold's a crafty vet at this point, knows how to win some ball games, and I'm excited to see next week's matchup, man. I am too, man. I think, yeah, Rams, Bears, freaking 49ers, Seahawks, both of those games are going to be awesome to watch. And we watched a great game against the Bills and Jags. Jags almost pulled it off. They were like that Seattle Jew. They had the juice internally. Yeah. And they had the excitement. They come up big in big times throughout the season.

29:08But playoff football, it just felt like the Bills had a little bit more. I don't know. Just had a little bit more the other day, man. And, you know, I think Josh being in these moments before. Yeah, I think that's a big part of it. Huge part of it, yeah. Yeah. And this is what everybody keeps saying. I mean, I know Josh gets a lot of the attention for the Bills because he's the quarterback and he's the guy that's the biggest name left in the playoffs. But I do, I know they beat the Jags and it's a great win for the Bills. I worry that this defense at some point and that Josh, I mean, the weapons they have offensively outside of the run game and Cook, it's not that significant.

29:47And like how much can Josh really get done? Now, they got it done this week against the Jags. I'm always rooting for Josh. I love that guy. But I don't know. We'll see. This will be a big one this week. Threw it for 308 and got that thing out to damn near everybody on the fucking offensive side of the ball. Nine different Bills caught a pass, including Brandon Cooks, who's only been on the roster since November. So he's seen the field well, man. But what are they going to do against Houston? Make plays. They make plays, dude. I don't know, man. I just feel like they're going to struggle to get people open.

30:17Josh is a big dude, and he makes plays as a quarterback. You know, whether it's just breaking an arm tackle, you know, getting out of these sacks, you know, that's huge. getting out of the pocket, making the defense have to play that extra, you know, six seconds. Yeah, I wasn't really talking about this week. I was more just talking about like— If they beat the Broncos, yeah. If they play Houston, they're not going to do anything. Well, the Broncos are so weird, man. Sometimes teams will freaking sneak up on them. Number one team is going to sneak up on them. No, I'm saying sometimes teams sneak up on the Broncos.

30:47Oh, yeah, I hear you. Their defense is really, really good, but every once in a while, it's like, I don't know, Houston's defense is like fucking insane, like across the board. It's about as legit as it gets right now. And the Broncos are really good as well. That's why it's playoff football, baby. It's the best there is. The best there is. Patriots Chargers, not that exciting, but Patriots came out 16-3. Everybody was looking for Herbert to take that next step, man. Drops to 0-3 in the playoffs. Huge Herbert fan over here. And he was trying to make plays with his feet, but it just, at the end of the day, just didn't go well for him, man.

31:21There were a few, what was it, fourth downs that they came up short on. They've been so banged up up front. They've lost both of their star tackles. Yeah, he was back there getting fucking rocked. I don't know what you want the guy to do. We've seen it before, but at the same time, it's like, man, he's a fearless competitor. Yeah, my guy Milton Williams is running around unblocked. I mean, they've had to try and overcome that all year, and it's a testament to them to even be here with some of the pieces that they've been missing up front and how good that defense is as well. Jesse Minner, there's a lot of credit for what he's built over there as well.

31:53As someone who played both of these teams, what do you think of that matchup? Broncos got to show up in the first half. Not that they did it against us. I'm just saying they're notorious right now for finding ways to win at the end of the game. They have to show up in the first half. It's just you can't win in the playoffs by not putting together four quarters. Unless you're Caleb Woods. I stand corrected. I think the Bills being a veteran team kind of trumps some of that. You got to play all four quarters against the Bills. You can't let Josh Allen get up there. He's a tempo controller, you know what I mean?

32:26For sure. And he'll absolutely wear you down as a quarterback, man, both in the pass game and run game. And he's starting to make, like, over the past, like, three, four years, he's been making the right decision, you know what I mean? I think if the Broncos come out, you know, making plays, Bo Nix comes out throwing the ball downfield early, being confident in his read, this is going to be a hell of a fucking game. Yeah. And that's what I'm hoping for. And if you're Denver, man, you got to wrap that dude up, man. And you've got to find a way to not let Josh Allen break tackles and get outside the pocket and not only make plays with his feet, but make plays with his arm outside of the pocket because that's when you can really get fucking torched.

33:05Well, the other game that we had this past week is the Texans-Steelers game. I was at that one. Score, 30-6, looks way more severe than what that game was for the vast majority of it, which was a defensive battle between both teams. The Texans are just so loaded across the board. Like, Pittsburgh's front is incredible. The Texans, like, every level of that defense has dogs all across it. It does. Tomeiko Ryans and Matt Burke, the defensive coordinator, have them playing physical. If C.J. Stroud can stay composed and poised, this team could be the best team in the AFC. That's the reality of it.

33:43Like, last night against Pittsburgh. It's kind of all in his hands right now, man. Dude, I don't want to put it on him. And I think C.J.'s a great player. But it's like, dude, this is a year where it's like, dude, just freaking, you got some guys over there. You got some dogs. Don't make mistakes. Your running back ran last night. Holy shit. Yeah, Mark's. He was getting down fucking hill. When you got that kind of physical game and you're getting pockets like he was getting, man. Yeah. It's all on the big guy, man. And obviously, we're huge fans of him. I had my opportunities to meet the guy, great guy and great player, even better guy on top of that.

34:18and he's just, it's all in his hands right now the way that defense is playing. Listen, it's going to be Texans versus New England. We're going to see the young quarterback that everybody likes, including me, Drake May, up in New England, face the best defense in the NFL. I can't wait to watch this game. I really can't. Points are going to be at a premium in this one. I don't know where it's going to go. And it'll be fun to see between CJ and Drake May who can get it done. I don't know, man. This Texans defense, though, That's what I'm the most excited to watch. Even bigger news than the Texans beating the Steelers is Mike Tomlin stepping away.

34:55Tomlin stepping down means the Steelers will retain his trading rights. He was not fired. That's interesting. The most recent coach that was traded was Sean Payton. Yeah, yeah. He was for a first and second round pick. This is all news to me. I forgot coaches were even tradable. Do you remember the one that happened in our childhood that I was like, That ended up being crazy? Wait for it. You got it. You got it. Wait for it. Another guy that did TV for a long time. Bill Cowher. No. John Gruden. John Gruden was famously traded from the Oakland Raiders to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I did not know that.

35:36And then he went back to the Raiders? He won a Super Bowl and then at some point went back. I think the trade happened before the Super Bowl, which was from Oakland to Tampa Bay. Pretty sure. Are we doing this podcast, Maris Lewis? Is anybody listening? He was traded. Sorry, I was snacking. He was traded to the Bucs and then met the Raiders in the Super Bowl. Yeah. It was the year after. But he went back to the Raiders after. I'm just making sure it was. He did Monday Night Football for like 10 years and then went back to the Raiders. Yeah, I mean, it'll be interesting to see what happens with Mike T.

36:07Hopefully he does great in TV, which I'm sure he will because he's unbelievable. Charisma, baby. No doubt. Moving to the divisional round, which one are you pumped to see the most? Bills at Broncos on CBS. We got the Niners at the Seahawks up there and the Land of the Twelves on Fox. And then Sunday, those are both two Saturday games. And then Sunday, we got Texans-Patriots-Rams at Bears on Sunday Night Football. Yeah, I mean, the game I'm the most excited for is the game that I'm going to actually be at, which is going to be the Texans-Patriots game. And I do think it'll be a game that'll be full of excitement.

36:40I'm looking forward to May versus this Texans defense to see how he responds and how he operates. He's been incredible. He's been poised. It's going to be hard to be poised against these guys. Two defensive touchdowns against the Steelers, man. The one that I'm not going to that I am excited to watch is Chicago versus the Rams. I think it's going to be an exciting one. I also just like watching both those teams play. Like, I like Sean McVay. I like Ben Johnson. I like watching all the design. I like Puka Nakua. I like watching Caleb Williams. I mean, it's a lot of things that will lend itself to just being a fun game to watch, I'm sure.

37:13I'm fucking pumped on this Bills-Broncos game. I'm so pumped that it's the first one we get to fucking see. It's going to be on CBS on Saturday. Josh and Bo Nix kind of play the game similar in my eyes. You know, obviously two completely different athletes. Bo, he's every bit of exciting, especially in his early years because he still hasn't reached that pinnacle yet. And this is an opportunity where he can kind of start to cement his name among the best quarterbacks in the league, man. And I'm fucking, I'm excited to see that matchup. Yeah. That wraps up Bold Topics brought to you by Intuit TurboTax.

37:51Don't forget to do your taxes. Let's wrap up this episode with some stamps of the week. Which is brought to you by HBO Max. Don't miss the new Game of Thrones series, A Night of the Seven Kingdoms, premiering this Sunday at 10 p.m. Eastern on HBO Max. And for my stamp of the week, I'm keeping it in the family. Going to not, Mom? Dude, I'm going, Mom, all day. Did you watch this? Oh, yeah. she killed it she's mom was doing great I mean I know she got eliminated but I was so proud of her man she looked like she was having a blast enjoying it all and for all of you that don't know our mother just did Traitors and she was the first ever secret Traitor that the show has ever had and yeah showed everybody what she's got and it was just so cool to see her in this moment and shout out to my guy Ron Funches for, you know, sticking by her side and being kind to her.

38:49Kind of got through for a loop. I'm sure he probably felt a little, a certain way after he found out that she was the secret traitor. But she got eliminated in the early episodes. But man, it was just so fun to see her out there living out her dream. Giving the world a beautiful message about, you know, being fortunate enough to do these things at her age and where she is in life. And it's just so cool to see her live in that moment, man. I agree. No, I thought she did fantastic. Like, I know she was eliminated, but I think it's really hard to go into those shows as like an outsider. You become like an easy target to try and maneuver in that show.

39:31So I thought mom did a great job. I loved watching her in it. I thought she was way more deceitful and devious than I thought mom could ever be, which was surprising. That too. She was, she stood her ground at the round table. Oh yeah. And it was just, it was just so cool to see and shout out to everybody on this, this Traders. I'm going to stamp some, some kids because who doesn't love stamping kids that are getting into fisticuffs together. Let's take a look at this hockey fight that's been making the rounds. I don't know if you guys have seen it, 92 percenters, but who doesn't love a good hockey fight to begin with?

40:02Oh, look at these kids getting after it in the corner. Wow! You messing with my boy? I love this. Come here. Oh, they go down. Where's the rest? Once they go to the ground, the rest got to get in there. Oh, no. Oh! Where are the refs? This is insane. Are there no refs on the ice? What happened? It's just got to be cleared at this point. Right. Dude, throw in haymakers. Come here. Is anybody using their stick? Good job, kids. Don't use the stick. I love how the goalie came in out of nowhere with the right hooks. He seemed like he was about it the most, man this is so epic doesn't it just take you back yeah who doesn't love kids beating the shit out of each other i mean that's one of the favorite past times of playing a hockey player it's the best dude the best part at this age gloves and helmets those punches aren't fucking doing it you're not even feeling it so for those of you that don't know what locker boxing is when we play hockey you would literally go in the locker room you put your helmet on and your gloves and you would just do this for fun.

41:03Royal Rumble. Let's go. We're already sweaty for practice. Let's fucking go. Come out there with freaking a black eye and coach's like, what the hell are you going to do? Well, we just locker box and coach. Anytime a goalie's getting in, you're getting a stamp of the week. Goalie fights are the best. Let's go, baby. Dude, there is something electric about just getting into a fight. I love that hockey players just do this. Let's give the people a show. Let's go. My guys need some juice. I need to fucking throw some hands in your And you're the only one. Dude, it's so epic, man. Fuck, I love hockey.

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44:21Yeah, I love Game of Thrones. It's epic, it's heartfelt, but it's really about two unlikely heroes on a journey far away from their throne. This is the next Month's Watch chapter in the Game of Thrones universe. A Night of the Seven Kingdoms premieres Sunday, January 18th on HBO Max. You're not going to want to miss it. I guarantee they've done it right. I mean, it's HBO Max. It's Game of Thrones. It's going to be epic. There's going to be people dying, people having sex, people cheating on each other, people backstabbing each other, conniving individuals, and Sir Dunk the Tall. And dragons. Our guest today is a 6 '4 Heisman winning quarterback from Bessemer, Alabama.

44:59He was the first pick in the 2015 NFL Draft from Florida State University. He's a pro boy, BCS national champion, and the greatest dub eater. We are so happy and grateful that the Lord has blessed us to be podcasting with the one and only Mr. James Winston. Yes. The greatest dub eater in the world. No, man, I'm grateful to be here with y 'all, man. No, just y 'all aura, y 'all essence, and the fact that y 'all are changing cultures and generations as brothers, man, united. through y 'all work on the field, y 'all work off the field, man. It's truly inspiring. So thank you. Thank you so much, bro.

45:40You have inspired the entire NFL. You are notorious for your speeches, for your game. It's so cool to just see your career transpire to where you are today and to see you just, like, full of life. You know what I mean? This NFL world could beat you up, man, and you just keep, you know, fueling everybody with the energy. And I just love it, man. I appreciate just who you are as a man. So thank you for jumping on here, dog. We about to have some fun, though, man. You told us earlier you're on the Norma Tex, dog. Is the body feeling good? The body is feeling great, man. I just, you know, one of my OGs, Anquan Bold, he always said it's better to stay in shape than get out of shape than try to get back in it, man.

46:19So I'm always staying on top of my body. Ever since you shared that with me, you got to say, you know that. Y 'all both in the trenches. You know what I'm saying? I get to sit back and throw the ball because of you, Jason. and I get to throw the ball to guys like you. So y 'all in the trenches. So y 'all obviously got to stay on top of y 'all body, but it's the least you can do, man. That 1 % every day is so important. I got to ask you, did you catch wild card weekend this past week? Man, you know I did. All right. A lot of young quarterbacks. A lot of young quarterbacks. Who impresses you or who impressed you the most this first weekend?

46:52Man, I got to go with Drake, you know. It's because like, okay, Josh, Matt, they did it in the time when they're supposed to do it. They know when the ball is in their hand at the end of the game, you guys are franchise quarterbacks. You have to come through. But I just think the consistency that Drake May has played with this entire year has been impressive. His offensive coordinator just got fired last year. His head coach, they parted ways a year before, and he's coming on to this tour. Mike Vrabel, I got a chance to spend some time with him in Cleveland. Didn't know he was from Cleveland. For him to go there with a young quarterback after the year that Drake had the year prior and to have them in the position that they in now, bro, it's like with all the great clouds that's been around that team this year and the quarterback still shows up and shows out, man, and gives that team a chance to win against a tough defense now.

47:51The L.A. Chargers is a tough defense. I know. You know, you see a lot of young quarterbacks winning those big games where they throw for four touchdowns. But very rarely are you seeing quarterbacks in this generation winning the games where things ain't going right early. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He's playing four quarters of football, you know, and that's what it's really about. It ain't just a splash face here, a splash face there, but Drake May, man, he continues to impress me. I love it. I love it. You brought something up there I want to just touch on. And you brought up, you know, he's got a new offensive coordinator.

48:25How many offensive coordinators have you played for, James? One, two, three. Four to five, man. Yeah. Four to five, maybe six or seven. Six, seven. You know, I need to stop doing that. There we go. But a lot, bro, a lot. So you've been in a bunch of different systems. Can you tell when an offensive coordinator is just dealing in a play call? I know what it feels like in the run game where it's like, man, it just feels like it's all clicking. What's that like as a quarterback? Like, can you tell during the week it's like, oh, we got some things designed for these guys coming up? Or is it like an in-the-game moment where you're just like, oh, no, he's rattled them off?

49:03I think this is the sense. And I know you guys know this because they're offensive guys. Like, when we go out there and execute the first 15, like, okay, we know, we got them. Like, we're supposed to execute that. Yeah. What shows me if we're really dialing it up is when the coach pulls something that was installing OTAs. And I'm in a holdout. I'm just like, hey, give me I write, you know, 37 boot, whatever. And it hits. Oh, yeah. He in his bag. I know that one on the install. Yes. And it's a feel, right? Like, you know when a guy has a feel or if a guy is just like, I'm just calling what's on his play sheet, right?

49:43I'm not looking at what the defense is actually doing. I'm calling what's on the play sheet. And I think one of the best play callers that I experienced was Sean Payton. And he had this feel because he played the position. He played the position. I played with two guys that played three. Because Sean Ken Dorsey and Byron Lefkowitz. He did this thing in Tampa, too. There we go, Byron. And we had some historical. We had a very historical year. But back to Sean and Byron. they had the ability to sense what was going on what actually was happening in the game not what we scouted out during the week not their tendencies but they saw what the defense was doing they were able to say okay I know what they're doing we're doing this and it hits and that's a beautiful feeling as an offense I could not agree more I love you saying ripping a play that isn't on the game plan you haven't practiced all week but it's one of those ones you repped it in OTAs you should know how to do this against every defense.

50:48So I was like, why not? Like, if you think it's there, don't waste any time. Who the hell cares what's on our second and 10 play calls? Like, just freaking rip that one out. One thing I always, like, when I talk to, like, office coordinators, like, why do you see the McVeys and people like that that literally run the Andy Reeds, that run the same play over and over again if the defense can't stop it? Yeah. And then you have guys where it's like, hey, well, we already showed that, so did it work? did that play just work yeah so we're saying in this one game this all this is the only time we get to run this play against this team because we know we ain't gonna carry it over the next week because you said we already ran it once yeah like why not run the multiple the play that's been working for us i hear you you know and and i think as an offensive coordinator i i i you know i got a lot of respect for them for them to to to have that much confidence in their bag that they don't want to run the play that just worked?

51:43I got to ask you on the flip side, though. Have you ever been in the huddle and you just hear a play call and you just know, like, man, I don't know about this one, man. There's a pretty big down right here at the game. I don't know. I can't hear you. I can't hear you. All right, boys, this is what we're going to do. There has. Those moments have came up. But, like, I'm a persuasive person. You know how you got those people that they write the narratives. You know, they write the persuasive essays. they write the derogatory I'm a persuasive essay writer so when a play is getting called into me even if it sounds like straight poo I gotta make it sound good to everybody else you know what I'm saying because I'm one of those guys like I'm a believer in like I'm obsessed with it like okay we put in the work like if the play is poo I get it I come to the sidelines and be like please don't call that again but if you call it like I'm gonna find a way to execute this play we got to we don't got no other way it's been numerous of clips that I've seen you, Jason, have to change your protection like, oh, no way.

52:47There ain't no way we slide away from this guy right here. And it's been thousands of clips where I've seen you, Travis. Know your butt supposed to have a simple sale right here. And what you do, you feel zoned and you just right here, right here. You know, but that's what it is. It's, it's not just capability. It's the capacity to know like this is the right thing to do. Like I know when I'm going to get here. So I'm capable and I got the capacity enough of the work that I put in that I'm going to make the right decision. I'm going to help this coach be a better coach. There you go. I'm just doing whatever you want me to do, James.

53:26That's all I'm doing. I'm seeing it with you. I know you want me to hook it up right there. I know you want me to hook it up. I love that. That's why you win. That's why you win a lot. Speaking of your old coach Sean Payton, him and Bo Nix are rolling right now, man. They're rolling right now. They got the bills coming in hot. Now, watching Sean Payton's offense this year, I don't know if you've seen a lot of it on film and just been peeking at what they got going over there in Denver, but can you see similarities and stuff he's transferred over, or is this like a whole new world because Bo Nix is just a different type of quarterback?

54:01Bo is from Alabama, so I got a lot of respect for him, and he can do it all. right but but Sean has really been in his bag this year man like the the amount of plays that he's been able to move the pocket for Bo the amount of yards that they've been able to create on the perimeter by just getting the ball out of Bo's hand and letting the receivers get yak after that Sean is a situational guru and I have to commend Bo on this Bo probably hasn't had the most efficient first second and third quarter this year he had he was way more efficient uh last year as a rook. But in the fourth quarter, he and Sean Payton have been finding ways to win the freaking game.

54:44And I think that is what, and that's what I'm talking about these young quarterbacks with Bo and Drake May. Like, yeah, okay. You can win the game. Well, you can tell, like people put the quarterbacks, game managers, right? Like, but at the end of the day, when it's third and seven and you know the defense is going to be a man, right? You still have to make the throw. It's not going to be, oh, you managed the game, just check the ball. No, you still have to make the play, and Bo Nix have been making the plays for the Denver Broncos to win games. You're speaking truth to me right now. Jason's gone on rants about this already.

55:19Well, not even just Bo Nix and Drake, but Caleb last week, right, against the Packers. Why does a quarterback all of a sudden become more accurate on harder throws? I want to ask you this. Why is a quarterback all of a sudden more accurate on harder throws? Is there like a sense of like, I know I got to put this in a big moment. And you like lock in more? Or is it just like that's the way this guy's wired? It's the routes on air effect, right? Like some quarterbacks, I would say this. Sam Bradford was the most accurate quarterback I've ever seen in my life. Okay. All right. There we go. Seven on seven.

55:49There was not. You were there with him. Oh, yeah. There was not a ball that touched the ground. Yes. Yes. Right. But once you get into a game, like the anticipatory throw that you're making with pressure in your face, unorthodox movements. I think Patrick is elite at this. Being able to throw the ball and be accurate from a different angle, that's just God-given talent. And that's just that it factor that Caleb Williams possesses where, like, he likes chaos more than he likes stillness and peace. Seriously. That's what it looks like. No, seriously. It's almost like it's, like, boring to him. Like he's got, all right, I got a comeback route.

56:25And then all of a sudden he sails it. But then all of a sudden he's running to his left on fourth down. And he puts the ball in like a freaking four by four window down the field. It's insane. Because it's no thinking. It's no thinking to that. Right? When a guy's wide open, man, we have to think, well, oh my goodness, I can't miss this. Oh, it's too late. Yeah. But when it's fourth down, that fourth and eighth throw that he made moving to the left. You got to throw it. There's no making that decision. I have no other choice. You know what I'm saying? So it's either going to look amazing or it's going to look bad.

56:59And iconically, he's made these plays against a similar opponent. Because at the end of the season when they played Green Bay in his fourth quarter was amazing. It's just something to a quarterback being able to not turn it on but fall back into their training. I have to ask you this, man. It takes guys to have the most ridiculous backstory, one of the best careers ever, to get a 30 for 30. like in their 50s when it's all said and done and everybody's looking back, you literally have a 30 for 30. 30 tubs and 30. How crazy was that year and the roller coaster ups and downs? You were out there firing it, man.

57:43Well, Travis, bro, again, I had a coordinator, right? Byron Leftwich. And one, Bruce Arians, we go way back, bro. I'm talking about like Little League football. Not Little League, but like middle school football. Like he used to have these camps in Birmingham, Alabama, right? because his son was a kicker at UAB in Birmingham. I think Cincinnati played against them. Oh, yeah. He used to have these camps, so I knew Bruce, and I knew his mentality of the, you know, no risk and no biscuit. No risk and no biscuit. And, bro, and I took that because I love Bruce. I took that to heart, bro. So I was going, I got Mike Evans.

58:18I got Chris Galway. Let's go. I had a young OJ. Like, we finna let this ride. Like, we got too much talent to be holding on to the football, you know. Unfortunately, the ball ended up in the defense hands too much. You know, and, you know, that still sit with me. But, you know, that was a contract year for me, man. And that was one of the most up and down years off the field that I had in my life, too, man. I just I just asked my wife to to marry me, man. And I was I was doing this freaking celibacy thing, like literally refraining from sex, man. Bro, I thought like like my parents were talking to me about shacking like in the South.

58:55Shacking is like when you're living with with your significant other, you know, in a house. Like, we had to eliminate that, bro. I literally bought a property and stayed away, you know, from my house. You know what I'm saying? Man, you were wound up back there in the pocket, man. It was so much going on, bro. Don't take a black light into that house, you know what I'm saying? It was the first year, and you guys know, it was the first year in my life that my dad, my dad wasn't coming to any of my football games, bro. His brother, my uncle, had passed. He was going through some things with COVID.

59:27And my grandmother passed a year before. So he was my dad was dealing with some things, man. So just spiritually of the family, like we just were going going through it. And I was having a great game while I was having, you know, a not so great game. And it was coincided with what was happening off the field. And that's why when I talk to these young athletes, I ask them, like, man, what are you consistently doing outside of the building to? Because if you are consistently being up and down outside of the building, it's going to come on the field. It's going to come a time and a place where in the players, we can see our teammates can see it better than anybody.

1:00:06You can see when somebody is locked in and when somebody is going through something. And I'm the person where like I'm obsessed with it. So I'm overly locked in. I'm trying to go overboard. I'm trying to make the every throw because of what I'm dealing with off the field as well. I got my first coordinator that's played the game, like, played Byron Lefkowitz. Man, he dialing it up. He's doing his name, man. I mean, we broke records, right? Yes. And I'm trying to impress him. I got Bruce Arians, a guy that showed me my very first Super Bowl ring, right? And I'm doing everything that he's telling me to do, right?

1:00:47And, like, I tell everybody, I'm like, man, go back and check the tape. I told him at the end of it, check the tape. Like, see how many of those interceptions was really, like, joint efforts. We were installing a lot of those plays in Philly. We were watching a lot of Jameis Winston that year. He was like, man, look what this dude's doing down here. You know what I mean? We were electric, right? We were electric. And obviously, everyone knows, like, okay, offensively, we got to make the most of our possessions, right? Because it hurts everybody. It hurts everybody. Offensive line, when we drive the ball down the field, and boom, you throw a pick.

1:01:19Like, the thing is about this, interceptions do hurt, right? But how we were growing as a team was so inspiring to see. Our defense, our defense wasn't lights out at the beginning of the year. But toward the end of the year, they just were like, hey, Jameis, I got your back. Like, we got you. We know you're going to let it fly. Like, we got your back. LaBonte Davis, I'm going to go get you one. I'm going to go get you one, J. You know what I'm saying? Carlton Davis was like, okay, I'll lock it down. Like, that started to happen. And then, you know, boom, poof. They get Tom Brady, they win the Super Bowl next year.

1:01:48It was going to happen with me. But they decided to get Tom Brady to make it seem like it was him that did it. You know what I'm saying? And Gronk and AB and Leonard Fournette and Tristan. I'm going to stop. The team really was a super team. You brought up advice you have for young quarterbacks. You're with a young quarterback right now in New York. What's it been like operating with Jackson Dart and your role within the Giants? Obviously, you're doing great. You're in the player engagement room right now. I love this. Talk about commitment. We're like, what, three weeks into the offseason? Most people are, what, Hawaii right now?

1:02:21My man's in the freaking player engagement room. But it's the vision of, okay, like, man, I done had a lot of short seasons, right? I've only been in the playoffs once. You know what I'm saying? But through this entire reign, I'm just like, man, like, what can I do from an obsessive state to stay engaged? Like, I'm going to keep training. I'm going to keep preparing. Like, I want to play and win the Super Bowl. I hear you. So I'm not going to be out the building and I'm not taking the trips to Cabo like right after the season. You know what I'm saying? Now, if someone if somebody got a job for me, go make some money for my family.

1:02:55You know, I don't do that. You know, but like, yeah, like, bro, like I love this. I it's still football season. Do you know how painful it is? And Travis, you you you you you got to deal with this some this year because it's been a long time since you and Jason. You dealt with a lot, you know, last year of you, you know, deciding to to stop playing. man, when you put in everything, man, and you start from OTAs, you know these teams have a one-year lifespan. And then just out of nowhere, everything just stops. The preparation, the sweat equity, the togetherness, it just stops, man. So that hurts.

1:03:32So I try my best to just try to do as much as I can with what I have and assimilate me preparing for the Super Bowl. But let's talk about Jackson Dart, man. Come on now. You know when a dog walk in the room. You know what I'm saying? You know when a dog walk in the room, man. So when he first stepped foot in this building, man, he's been a dog. And I just really value his work ethic. I wish I could have seen just the sweat equity he was put in with Brian Dable. And I know Dave's got fired, man. But those guys were tied at the hip. because he is obsessed with football. That's awesome. And anybody that's coming in to be our head coach, you got to know that you got a guy that wants to win.

1:04:15He's going to win because he's special. But he's obsessed. In this day and age, man, you got people that are more – they're more worried about what they get from football than focused on what they can do for football. Yeah. Man, I like that. You know what I'm saying? You know, like it's that old JFK quote, you know what I'm saying? that's not ask what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your country that's the type of kid he is like his family where he comes from is just a great wholesome family man he's just he loves football he's a dog I'm just trying to work with him about calculator risk because he'll run over a safety or a cornerback anytime it's been a few times but yeah you already know you see those collisions man look linebackers are D linemen look we not talking no smack to no D linemen because your office line got to pay for that.

1:05:06And we're not trying to run over no linebackers unless it's fourth down or the end zone. Can't take them on thick. You got to roll. You got to roll a little bit when you hit them. You can't just take them on straight up. You got to jack up your AC joints. But I'd rather a young quarterback be bouted than be scared. For sure. I'm so glad you said it. I don't want to talk trash to the D-line because that offensive line got to feel that. I still remember getting ready for an NFC championship game and my man Brandon Graham's in there and he's talking so much trash to Dexter Lawrence I'm like bro will you shut the hell up I gotta fight this dude I ain't trying to rev this dude up what are you doing over here BG but I'm riding with my dog but I gotta ask you this you you just said your goal is to win a Super Bowl what what is what what are you doing to realize that goal like what is what's it going to take for Jameis Winston to get to a Super Bowl obviously there's a team and all that stuff but everything that you can control what are you doing yeah the The biggest thing that I'm doing is speaking life into my teammates, right?

1:06:05Because a lot of these young guys, new generation guys, they look for affirmations and stuff that let them know that, okay, like, I'm where I belong. Yeah, reinsurance, man, yeah. And that's the simple thing I'm doing is being impeccable with my word, right? Because it starts with one, it starts with a plan, right? And my plan is to be impeccable with my word, be a man of increase in the building so everybody can attract that. And then they go out and do it out there on the field. Right. The second thing is just me me doing what I love. I love playing football, man. Me going out there and working, you know, and hopefully they see me working when I invite them to come get some of this extra work for the betterment of both of us.

1:06:47They join me. Right. And that starts with this culture. Like we're building that we're going to go the extra mile. We're building that we're willing and able to do anything, you know, for some success. Right. And the third thing, which really should be the first thing, is just instilling faith into my teammates, man. They're like, they here for a reason. Like, this ain't no coincidence that they here. It's so challenging to see these confident, moxie young athletes just not really believe. Not believe in something that's bigger than them, man. Amen. You know, and that's just what I take pride in because I know how it is to be trying to please a man, trying to please somebody else, man.

1:07:28But it is nothing that competes with knowing that I fight from victory and not for victory for what God and what Christ has did for me. Right. And me instilling just those kingdom values, kingdom morals in them. It's going to at least help them be a better man when they get off the field. And one thing my trainer always say, you know, being a better football player would never make you a better man. But being a better man will make you a better football player. So that is what that's my impact. You're going right into coaching, Jameis. You got too many in the bag. You got too many in the bag, man.

1:08:03Amen. You got me wanting to go strap it back up right now. But it's sweat equity. Like you put in that sweat equity, man. You know what it is to win Super Bowl. You guys are Super Bowl champions. And you know it's those little things. like I haven't been privileged to be a part of that. You know what I'm saying? But y 'all have, so y 'all know that 1 % that you put in. Like my question is to y 'all is like, how do you, how do you continue to like reciprocate that? How do you allow that message to just have a great vibrational frequency and not be stopped by, by people with that, that don't have that mindset?

1:08:37Because every year you, you guys done it on multiple teams. So you've done it with new guys. It's not like college where you got dynasties and all this stuff. You guys have found a way to win with multiple guys. So how do y 'all, what's y 'all approach for welcoming and inviting other people that don't have the mentality that you have is not cut from the same cloth as you and transforming them into being Super Bowl champions? You want to start with it, Travis? I think you've already hit everything that I could even, you know, bring to the table is you just gotta, you gotta show everybody you love this shit, man.

1:09:09and you got to show it every single day by your attention to detail, by how you show up to work. Your energy when you walk in the building is my hood on or is my hood off and I'm ready to rock and roll. And I'm looking everybody in the eyes and I'm like, you ready to get this shit? You ready to see this install? You ready to get after it today? And just having that sense of urgency and that integrity to come in to do something that you absolutely love. And, you know, not everybody plays the game for the same reason. I understand that. But when you show up with that integrity and that work ethic, like it's staying true more than not that guys will find that as something they want to be a part of.

1:09:47And they'll see how you're doing it and they'll look themselves in the mirror and want to do even more, you know? And that's really the biggest thing is setting that culture from the top down, making sure that everybody's doing that from, you know, the coaches to the players to the first guy, the guys that are on the field to the guys that are on the practice squad. everybody's got to have that love and desire every single time and alertness and the attention to details, they walk into the building there. Thank you to our sponsor, Liquid IV. It's no secret that we have insanely busy schedules between podcasting, game days, workouts, meetings, family events, sitting on the couch.

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1:13:07All right, now. We've been talking about some dogs. You got another dog in New York, Cam Scadaboo. The other side of the one bred right there, man. You got to tell us about this guy, man. The world doesn't know enough about him yet. Let me tell you something, man. Look, I was, and this is going to be a perfect example for this. For Cam, it is. Do y 'all know where Cam's from? No. I wonder where Cam's from. I feel like. Go ahead. Arizona? Cam is from Sacramento, California. What? Okay, there we go. You would never in the world think that this man is from Sacramento, California. You would have never made the connection, yeah.

1:13:46And that puzzling that y 'all had in your eyes is exactly how I was puzzled when I saw him. Man, when I tell you, look, so I was watching Lilo and Stitch with the kids, right? And you know how, like, Lilo is in this other land, but, you know, he steals the ship to escape that land because he about to go to prison or whatever. And he just finds his way on the earth. That's where Cam Scatterbow is. he is from he is from a football kingdom somewhere else and somebody just dropped his crazy ass on earth this is so good and said go run that pill because that is how that is how he plays man he plays with a passion and a desire to kill to hunt and when you bro like this is what got me so I told I told Scott you know I was one of them we had these conversations you know we had Russ in the room and Jackson he's young just bless him he said you know Cam you know Scat is about the same size as Marshawn Litch and Russ gave him a look he said he said Marshawn's thigh is the same size as Cam Scat.

1:14:55Listen and I double down I was like Jackson I don't know if he come on now you can't bring him to be small he told that rock he tough but come on he ain't the same size man when we played against Kansas City and him and Nick Bolton met in that hole. And you know, Bolton built like a refrigerator truck. You know what I'm saying? He is grounded. He is put together. And when he ran over Nick Bolton in that hole, I said, okay, this white boy right here is something serious. I said, he right here, he is something serious. I don't know if he ran him over, but he took it to him. I got to ask him about it.

1:15:34It was a statement where I was just like, man, he's fearless. You know, and immediately, you know, people start giving names. Peyton Ellis, Mike Allstock. You know what I'm saying? They whitewashing it. No, no. Man, he is toning that pill. I say it, not the size, but like Earl Campbell, man, he putting his head in there, man. Yeah, yeah. And he's going through guys, man. Like Bo Jackson, like he don't got the speed like Bo. But I'm just saying, man, he is putting his head down and falling forward, bro. Yes. And Jason, you respect this. It's a difference when a running back can give you three and when a running back can make three turn into seven.

1:16:12That's big time, man. Because you know in the fourth quarter, that seven going to turn into 12. And that 12 is going to eventually be a breakout run for us to really step on their neck. And that is what he gave us. And honestly, y 'all talked about Jackson and we talked about the hits he took. But having a running back like that is what took some of those hits off of Jackson. Yeah. Right? Because Jackson felt that he had to bring that to the team. But that's what Cam was for this team. He was that enforcer, a young enforcer that was confident. One of the funniest stories, man. So against the Eagles when they was winning at Kelly Green, I love that Kelly Green.

1:16:49Oh, my God. It's one of the most beautiful jerseys in the world. Okay. We're playing against the Eagles. And he runs a little choice route, man. And he gets right with Zach Bond falling on his ankle. And he fractures his ankle. So, man, Greg Ramron is out there trying to help him up. And he says, Scott was like, help me up. Oh. Help me up. He's like, I don't think so. Like, your ankle is going. He said, but the guy's out there saying, help me up. I got it. And that's the toughness that he possesses, man. Man. So he is from a different planet, bro, with his passion, his enthusiasm, and really his love for football, y 'all.

1:17:26Oh, yeah. It's crazy. It oozes out of him, man. One more thing from this past year. you kind of did your best version of a tight end impersonation here this season. Can we pull up this clip? Can we pull up this highlight? What's going on in your head when this play gets called in, when you're running it? Like, give us the start to finish. So, the start to finish was, I just hope he'd give me a chance. You know what I'm saying? When they talk about giving number one receivers and number one tight ends the ball, all you got to do is give them a chance. No risk it, no biscuit, baby. And when we see this double reverse pass, When I toss him this pill, I'm just like, man, I know I'm about to score touchdown.

1:18:04I've been waiting on this moment my whole life. And as I run down that sideline, I throw my hand up. Oh, he Randy Boston. And that is called attacking the football. And that's called rap. With the filet at the end. It's incredible. It's incredible. Oh, my God. I was waiting for that moment. You know what I'm saying? That was good eyes by that D lineman. He really was a linebacker, but he can't guard me. Nah, he can't tackle you either. Oh, man, that was fucking electric, man. I wish I was the commentator, the media person to ask, you know, the defensive coordinator about, you know, hey, coach, you know, what do you think when the New York football giants did that wide receiver pass and went, well, you know, it doesn't matter what you think.

1:18:49Pull a rock on them, you know what I'm saying? Let them know it don't matter. Oh, my gosh, man. Did you know where the camera was? Did you feel the camera over there? It is pure cinema. It is one of my favorite clips of all time, man. Because you definitely don't expect you to be able to make a play, come back to the ball. Then you give them the ha-ha in the field, shake them, get them off you, come into the end zone, finger roll, get excited with the teammates, and then just right into the camera. Thank you. It is so epic every time I watch it. I got the confirmation from my boy in Detroit, Devin Funches.

1:19:28He from Detroit. Shout out, yeah, Devin Funches. I said, hey, man, like, when I scored a touchdown, like, I really want to hit a dance. He said, you know what, a kill Detroit. He said, do the boss up on him. I said, aye. So in the night meal, I'm talking to, we got Nick Jones, who played for Kansas City, who's also from Detroit. Oh, yeah. He done bought everybody some wings, right, from Detroit, this wing spot. So I'm chewing on some wings, you know. I said, hey, Nick. He said, yeah. I said, man, what about this dance right now? When I score a touchdown, I'm going to do this dance. So I show him the dance.

1:20:01And he said, oh, yeah. He said, yeah, the city really going to do that. So I had to put on for the city, man. I was grateful for that. Yeah, damn, dude. That shit was epic, man. I appreciate y 'all. I got to ask you, as an Eagle, you played us twice this year. Season just ended. A lot of questions about the offense. I mean, I know you didn't probably watch a lot of Eagles offense. What did you see? Okay, all right. Well, the main thing that I saw was we can talk about simplicity in offense. We can talk about all that stuff. But Jalen Hurts, he finds a way to win games. And the running game wasn't as prolific as it was last year, right?

1:20:40Jalen didn't use his legs as much as he did, you know, in the years prior, you know, when you went deep into the playoffs. So it's that balance of, okay, we know Jalen, he likes space, he likes things being open. but how can we put him in the best position for him as well? How can we protect him? Because you need your quarterback but also use the gifts that he has and one of those gifts is his legs and I just don't think that that catered enough to him because I feel like that balance between having to stop Jalen Hurts and stop Saquon Barkley it was tough but I don't think defenses really feared that this year they knew they were like okay they're going to try to protect Jalen And I don't know, I haven't talked to Jay, and I don't know if he was dealing with an injury or anything.

1:21:25But I just feel like y 'all dominated the trenches, really. Pass blocking-wise, y 'all still, that offensive line still is among the top in terms of pass blocking. But in terms of running game, your running game was not as prominent as it has been in the past. And I think it starts, like, you know this, Travis, because Andy is adamant about establishing a running game. Yes, y 'all do everything with quick games and stuff. He's an offensive line coach at heart. You know it, man. But exactly. He depends on that run game because that's what takes the will of a defense. And I just think that offensively, the Eagles didn't have that factor where they are going to finish games with the run.

1:22:02They did it against us. Tank Bixby, he had a great day. But when crunch time came, when the Eagles are up, it should be a win, especially in the fourth quarter because they can run the football. Y 'all weren't able to run the football as effectively. Yeah. And another thing, man, like, and I love AJ and I love Jalen, you know, but it is kind of, it's a beautiful thing to see Jalen, Devonta, what they do outside of the numbers. Because you know it's either a go or a stop. And if it's second and short, it's going to be a slant. Like, it's a three-route minimum, three-route minimum that they're doing.

1:22:42And the execution that they have in those crunch moments, it has to be above 90%. Like, I'm not throwing 50-50 balls to A.J. Brown. I'm throwing 90-10 balls to A.J. Brown. I'm not throwing 50-50 balls to Devonta Smith. I'm throwing 90-10. Like, you know, Travis, you know this. When it's crunch time, all of us together, no matter the angst that we have with each other, all of us have to produce when our team need us to produce. It ain't about who getting targets, but the defense know what we're going to do. We know what we're going to do. Oh, yeah. And last year, again, y 'all executed it on those one-on-one opportunities on the outside, right?

1:23:22So I don't think it's rocket science, right? Like, one thing about Jalen, we talk about me and the amount of office coordinators, like, Jalen hasn't had continuity, and I know it's probably the same scheme, but he hasn't had the same voice for a year, like, for multiple years in a long time, and that's challenging as a quarterback, to get different culture points, to get a different word. Like, when you don't have that discipline, when you are a disciplined quarterback, Jalen is very disciplined. He's straight and narrow. Oh, he is. For you to have different voices every year when you're trying to lead a team to the promised land, it's challenging, man.

1:23:58It is. It's so challenging. I think you hit it on the head, man, because I remember last year, and the run game with Saquon, obviously, 2 ,000-yard rush. I mean, you can't substitute that. But teams are going to adjust. Teams are going to adjust to how you're playing them or how effective you are with it. But I remember in the Super Bowl, man, even when we were trying to claw back and have any chance there in the second quarters, the third quarters, man, we'd get it in a third and medium, third and long. And he would use his legs. And it wouldn't just be for a first down. It'd be for a huge gain.

1:24:32And all of a sudden, they're in an opportunity to kick a field goal. And we just had them on a third and manageable in their own territory. So it's just being able to, I don't know, just him being able to use his legs is night and day, man. It's a happy balance, right? Like, there are calls where the quarterback moves. Patrick has a lot of those. A lot of them, yeah. Where he's moving the pocket, right? Where he's putting the defense. Like, because if you pressure him, you got to risk that we're moving the pocket and you're pressing in the area that's vacated. Yeah. Right? And if we play zone, now it's the two-edged sword.

1:25:10Now he can beat us with our leg. And God forbid you play man, now our back is turned against him, right? I believe it's some creativity that can help Jalen perfect his craft, man, because he is an elite talent. You see the accuracy. You see the ability to win the tough game and the big game. But now he needs continuity for once. Every great quarterback done had continuity. Like, you can't tell me a quarterback that's been freaking, you know, flipping OCs. That's what he doing. He flipping OCs like real estate properties. You know what I'm saying? Like, it has to be important for the organization and for him to have a similar voice, man.

1:25:53I don't think it's fair for him, you know, Jalen, in terms of his quarterback. And I know he's okay with it. Nothing phases him. You know, he's a very disciplined and structured guy. But from the outside looking in, you know, I told you this, Jason. You know, I grew up an Eagles fan. So I'm rooting for the city of Brother Love to win. You know what I'm saying? And not when they play against us, you know, with the Giants, but outside of that, to win, right? And for their quarterback, for this to be their franchise guy, you have to make an effort into at least catering to his needs. And I think one thing that's required is for him to have a consistent voice that he wants, that he loves, that allows him to be in his element.

1:26:31I love everything you're saying right there, man. I really do. And I agree with it. I really do. The one thing you brought up, man, it's not even just the new play caller and getting a feel for that. It's just the verbiage, too. Like, I was so lucky to have Stout for a long time. I would like – we're on like our third different head coach, and I'd be calling a blitz what we called it with Chip Kelly. But because we knew what it was, like I'd be on – hey, they're bringing Wasp, right? And the other coach is like, what the hell are you talking about? and Stout's like, oh, he's talking about the free safety wheel.

1:27:06Wheel free safety, yeah. A lot of that gets homogenized in your brain. And for a guy like Jalen, in the moment, even just communicating with guys, communicating with your teammates, that's hard when the verbiage is changing constantly. I haven't ever thought about that, but it was hard for me. So I know it's hard for him. He's been doing a lot. One thing I wanted to ask you, because I think that's a great point, because obviously, Travis, you reached that pinnacle, and you still keep going. It's crazy how you freaking still turn it up. My verbiage has been the same since I've been in Kansas City.

1:27:35I don't know what you guys are talking about. I experienced it one time in one of the Pro Bowls I played in. I had to go in there and learn a whole new offense. I'm like, bro, I'm not running any of these routes. I'm just going to see whatever covers there. Mack Jones was throwing me daggers that I was supposed to be running. I'm running go routes. But to that point, Jason, you've experienced three, like, what? You had three different head coaches? Four. Four different head coaches. so you know what a head coach looks like. You know what I'm saying? And for us, for the Giants, us being in this position that we're in, like some people aren't blessed with having a head coach for the majority of their career.

1:28:17Some people have different regime changes, but you've won two Super Bowls with two different head coaches. What are those key qualities of a leader and a head coach that teams should be looking for to win football games? Because that's what we're all after. Because this is my perspective. My perspective is, hey, we're all self-policing. It's our team. No crap. We're the one out there doing it. Sure. Right? But what does these men or what does your team have that kind of makes up for a head coach? or what does that head coach have that allows a veteran guy, a veteran person to your status that has a foundation that is established in his role?

1:29:05What makes him want to follow a new coach coming in? That's a good question. Man, I think I was really fortunate in Philadelphia. Although we had a lot of coaching changes, we had a great locker room and a great building. And Jeffrey Lurie, Howie Roseman, it all started with Andy Reid, really. And I learned from Brent Selick, all these players before me, and there's a sense of unity and like a, honestly, because I was drafted to Philly, an unrealistic like idea of loyalty from the organization. I never got cut. I never went to another organization. I was only in this one. And I think between me, Lane Johnson was that way.

1:29:48Fletcher Cox was that way. Brandon Graham was that way. Like Philadelphia, even through the changes, they did a great job of retaining pieces. Like Jeff Stotland, I had four different head coaches. I only had two offensive line coaches. That's rare that offensive line coach stays through head coaches. It's rare that Deuce Daly stays. I think the organization does a great job of keeping pieces. So Philadelphia has always had this tight mindset and the locker room. and that has always been well established. And then when a coach comes in with some fresh ideas, a lot of energy, a moxie to him, and he's surrounded with other great coaches and you already know how he's going to build.

1:30:33What allows us to win Super Bowls? We have some pretty damn good players. That's the reality of it. And the coaches, Doug was a player, so he knew how to navigate, especially older players who knew what they were doing. He was great in building that energy and that motivation, infusing belief. And then with Nick, it's the same way. We didn't win one with Nick. We went to one with Nick. He won one last year. Nick is very good, one of the best at coaching in the team meeting. A lot of times I get into the team meeting, I'm like, man, what are we going to talk about today? What's going to happen?

1:31:08Nick is so good at maximizing and communicating to the team. situational ball, little stories that I feel like sometimes are made up, probably a lot of times are made up. But they get you going. They get the juices going. They set your mindset right. At the end of the day, you still need the players. You need great coordinators. You need a great quarterback. But I think that between Nick and Doug, both of those guys were really, really good at talking to the team, at spreading the message, at communicating with players, right? Doug used to have the player council meeting, So all the leaders would go and talk to the head coach.

1:31:44Like, I think you get a good pulse for the team because really as a head coach, what I want to see is a guy that is just, I want to see a guy that he wants the best for me and the best for us. And he's maximizing everything he can to get the best out of me. And that could come away, like whether you're a player's coach, whether you're, you're MF and me, I don't care if you're MF and me, if you got my best interest at heart, like you want the best for me, I get it. I'm right here. But if I feel like you're MFing me because there's some ulterior motive for you selfishly, fuck me. No, fuck you. Oh, you want to dance?

1:32:23Talk to me like that. You want to dance? Let's go. That is so important, right? Yeah. Like what you just stated right there. And I think we sense that. Like we know when a message is from another human or if it's from a higher up. Like, man, don't feed me, though, what you heard from somebody else. Do tell me what you think. What's in here, man? Creech. What's in here? What are you looking for as a Giants new coach, man? Man, I'm looking for a stern leader. I believe that we got a great young room. But I believe, like you said, that energy, man, that understanding, like, what it takes to be a player is required, especially with this new generation, man.

1:33:04We need discipline. Yep. Because when you got young guys, we need somebody that know how to steer that ship to where we're going. We got one mission, and that's win games and win the Super Bowl, right? Oh, yeah. We need consistency. We need someone that's going to be who they are every single day, right? The emotions as a head coach, like it's Dirk Cutter, my first OC. He always shared, you know, passion versus emotion. We don't need emotions, man, because games are going to have ebbs and flows. We need passion. We need to know that you love us. We need to know that you're for us. We need to know that you're going to make business decisions during the business decision time.

1:33:44Like during the course of a season, we need you believing in what you presented us at the beginning of the season and not going back to your B plan. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like the third thing, man, we need someone that is going to give us a complete paradigm shift, man. because when you have an organization over the past few years that hasn't been accustomed to winning, you have to bring in a winner. Yes. You can't bring in somebody that over the course of the past few years hasn't won because that's doing the same thing that you've been doing. You have to bring in somebody that is a winner through and through.

1:34:27And if you look at his pedigree, he's won everywhere he's been or you bring in a new guy and you start to slate clean, right? And you use the culture, like you said with Howard Roseman. You use the Byron Burns and the Dexter Lawrence's and myself and the Andrew Thomas's. And you use those guys, build around those guys, and you cater to that. And you see these are my leadership roles, this is my counsel. Like what is going to make this team the best team possible? I think you just hit it on the head. You really, it's like how are you conducting? you've got their leaders. You got your guys that have experience that know how to do it.

1:35:04And you're just doing that, man. You're, you're being accountable when you mess up, you're showing up and you're putting the work in, you're showing up and you're competing with maniacal, relentless energy. Like, no, it ain't acceptable. It's not acceptable to lose here. That's not like, I, I know it's just a Thursday, but I take this personal, the passion. Yeah. All of that stuff rubs off and that you're a hundred percent, right. That's exactly where you're at. if you're the New York Giants. You sign guys, you bring guys in like yourself, guys that have had success, guys that are relentlessly passionate about playing the game, and then that rubs off on everybody.

1:35:39That passion's just got to ooze out of you, man. Before we get to this last segment, I got to ask you one more thing about the playoffs, man. Who do you think is going to take it? Who does Jameis think is going to be hosting that Lombardi this year? Man, I really think that the Seahawks, I think they're going to come out the NFC side, man. And I'm kind of in between on really the AFC because like Josh, you know, I'm a big fan of Josh. Oh, yeah. And I think like what better year than this year for him to do it, right? No Pat, no Joe, no Lamar. You know, like he's the head guy on that side, right?

1:36:20But when you look at Denver, when you look at New England and you look at the Houston Texans, I don't see Buffalo beating them. I just don't. The AFC is really a toss-up. And I want to say, I really want to say, I want to say it's going between the Rams and the Seahawks on the NFC. I want to. But man, when I see that Seahawks defense running around. Energy, man. You talk about that passion. It's exciting. Yes. And you see that in them. The whole team. And I'm not saying that the Rams don't have that. Right? I believe they do. But you see it. You can sense it. I feel like the best two teams, I feel like it's three great teams.

1:36:56Great teams. I feel like the Seahawks, the freaking New England Patriots, and the Houston Texans are great teams. I believe the Denver Broncos, they have the chance to win it all. Right? I do because of their head coach in Sean Payton. But I want to see an AFC matchup between the Denver Broncos in the Houston Texans. Woo! And I believe whoever wins out of that is going to win the Super Bowl this year. Okay. I really believe. But I go back to, because I've been talking in circles, I go back to Josh Allen. If Josh Allen can find a way to beat the Denver Broncos this week, I don't see nobody stopping.

1:37:42I think that's the confidence that he needs. It feels like the Bills have their trump card, man. It really does, man. But I'm excited for this next week of football, man, because it's whoever. It's the best. It's going to be so much fun seeing how all this shit plays out, man. Exactly. It's going to be a fucking blast, man. But let's get into this last segment. We always end these conversations with a little bit of we got to ask. You can tell us to fuck off and you don't have to answer, but we got to ask, man. Have you been working on the hard count? I have. I have. I eliminated somebody to jump off sides.

1:38:14You got rid of that? You know what I'm saying? I did. I did. I like that, though. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. What, Eddie? What's that? Hot. Terrible. What's that? Somebody jump off sides. Damn. It was a leech. Yes, it was. But when you think about it, if it wasn't cold, I would have got somebody. When you're playing in cold weather, it's very tough to get somebody. You know what I'm saying? You're just like, I'm froze. And it's something about I'm stuck here. So that's why. I just love it because there's that point where you're doing the dummy count where you know nobody jumping on this. I don't want anything to do with it.

1:38:52I fucking hate the whole dummy count. Like, let's have a play ready to run. Let's try and get them off sides first. But let's just run a fucking play, man. I think it has its time, right? Like, when the clock about to run out, like, when you're just trying to get a free five yards, when you got, like, a second and short. What's your favorite hard count to try and get a team off sides? My favorite hard count is they call it, like, the Green Bay cadence. is when you have a cadence and you're just going through the cadence. And as soon as somebody jumps, we locked in, they snap the ball, we go four verts.

1:39:21Right, that's my favorite. You get a free play. You know, I argue so much with our staff this year about like, why is it not in? You got a smart center. You got guys that can run. Like that plate, like you saw Aaron Rodgers did the last game. The only completion he had over freaking 30 yards was when he got up on the center. He's been doing it his whole career, man. He's been doing it his whole life. And they try to call it the Green Bay cadence. It's not. It's just if a guy jump offside, I got a smart center. We should do it every time. Snap it. Let's go. Let's get a free play. I don't disagree.

1:39:54I think sometimes in the past where we've had issues with it is like, is it a run play? Is the tackle blocking? Are we always just going to do a vertical if we get them off sides? So you kind of got to differentiate. It's really if it's a pass play. Dude, if somebody jumps offside, just take a shot. That's what it should be. Right? But look at this. If you got regular one-word football plays, which we had, if you got one-word football plays with alerts, with motions, with freaking protection adjustments, you should be able to have a single cadence. And in that single cadence, this cadence right here, we're going to call this the Jason Kelsey cadence.

1:40:31And in this cadence, it's one protection and it's one concept. You can do this. I got to get in the hole and call. I write, you know, fake 37 wide zone right, boot right, Z post, X cross, and say on the JK. Yeah. And everybody know what to freaking do. Oh, yeah. Yeah. On the JK if somebody jump on sides. Yes, yes. You know what I'm saying? I ain't running that wide cross. I know that. You going down. You about to score a touchdown. You know what I'm saying? Let's go, baby. You're not. Oh, man. You played with one of the greatest ever in Drew Brees, man. What was it like playing or being in the locker room with him, man, He's obviously, you know, one of the best that has ever done it.

1:41:14Walter Payton, man of the year. The guy just seems like his character and his realness oozes out of him, man. What was the best thing you learned from Drew? What was it like playing with him? The best thing I learned from him was, and it helped me so much with my game, is focusing on the process and not the outcome. Like, he was so process-oriented, man. Like, just his details with his footwork, with his footwork to different concepts, man. And it all stemmed from, again, what we talked about earlier, the continuity that he and Sean had in that offense. He mastered everything that that offense had to give.

1:41:48And at the quarterback position, doing that for a very long time at a high level, it just speaks in volumes of his work ethic and just the love that he had for his teammates, man. So I'm so grateful for Drew and what he helped me, man, because, you know, that one year with him, that helped elevate me to have one of the best years of my career. It got shortly, it was shortly lived because I got hurt. But, like, he helped me just with my process of, you know, what first and second down really is. First and second down, like, we playing Canadian football, right? Like, we not, like, how do you play, you know, the term behind Canadian football is, hey, let's get first downs on first and second downs.

1:42:28Let's eliminate third down. Right, let's eliminate it. So those who don't know the Canadian game, you only get three downs in the Canadian game. Yeah, you only get three downs. And with him, just his approach to everything. One of the greatest stories I had, man, we were losing to the Las Vegas Raiders. And we were down, like, two scores. And Drew, he had a good game. But, like, we were coming back. And, like, we had some shots down the field that were, like, open to me. That was open. Like, the office line was at. Great protection. And I was, like, I asked him on the sideline. I'm, like, Drew, like, hey, man, like, we're down two scores.

1:42:59Like, you ain't trying to push the ball? He was like, man, I never let a mistake that I made earlier in the game hunt me through the remainder of the game, right? Because I think he threw an interception earlier in the game. And he was just like, man, I'm going to stick with my process, right? I'm not going to allow just the greed of wanting to get something right then impact with my process that I have for this two-minute drive, for this drive to help us get back in the game, right? And then the next week, we went and played freaking the L.A. Chargers, and he was in that same position. and he went down, dink, dink, dink, dink, dink, and ended up winning the game for us by just staying on his process.

1:43:36Another thing that I learned from, man, like on Saturdays when everybody's gone out the building, I would just sit, I would take a chair and I would just sit on a chair and Drew would go through two minutes on air by himself calling the calls. Champagne, bless us, like he allowed us to call the calls during two minutes. So he would go down the field, up and down the field, at least three or four times calling his place, like really visualizing that moment. So I'll practice that in my training as well, man. So just to see the attention to detail that he had, even when I was only with him on his last year.

1:44:12And to see what he went through. You saw the full product. That's what the cool part of it is, that you saw the accumulation of all those years into one, and you have to see what the finished product looked like. I did, man. And just to see what he was overcoming that last year with injury and all this and that, man. It was really a sight to see, man. I'm very grateful for Drew Brees. How about it, man? I got to ask this one, man. Your Florida State days, you were known to be on the football field and the Diamond. Has it ever crossed your mind to just, you know, pick up the old wooden bat and go out there and see if you still got it?

1:44:47Man, I actually cross-trained. Like two years ago, I started back swinging a bat, man, man, because I realized that I lost all of my torque and my rotation, man, because every single year, like growing up, like when I stopped football, I went straight into baseball, right? I did my shoulder care. I did my fielding work. I did my T work. I did everything that I would do for baseball because I actually trained harder at baseball than I did football. And once I get to the league, you know, hey, let's work on this. And I'm just like, man, my first five years in the I lost all my wiggle. Like, I came to lead like frigging limber.

1:45:25I was able to take stuff to the house. I was like, I got to get back to building the athlete because you see, that's what the game is. It ain't no more just standing in the pocket, look around all progressions and complete the pass. You have to be able to extend plays at the quarterback position to win in this football league. You have to. And I think that cross-training with baseball has actually elevated me, gave me a few more extra years on my play because of the different movements and different actions that I do when I'm taking fly balls, when I'm fielding ground balls, when I'm swinging the baseball bat, being in different planes, man.

1:45:59It goes. And I try to tell young kids, like, guys, do not try to become a guru at one sport, man. Get on the basketball court. Play some lacrosse, man. Play some baseball. Play some football, man. Like, do not just be focused on one little thing. Like, oh, my baby going to be, you know, the number one pick at a quarterback. I promise you, your baby is going to be looking like that number one pick from age eight to age 18. He's going to look just like he is. You got to get some variety, man. I'm with you, man. I'm with you. 100%. We played all of them. We played absolutely all of them, man. That shit was the best.

1:46:34Yes. Y 'all are athletes, man. Y 'all really are. Not even just physically. I feel like you start to mentally take things over. Like, spacing that you see on the basketball court, you take it when you're just playing. What do you know about spacing on the basketball court? Well, I know that you do it. I took spacing from the hockey rink. There you go. Angles and leverage. I still remember I started playing lacrosse. And I was playing football first. I started playing lacrosse because my money's dead. James, you should have seen this man on the fucking lacrosse field. I can't imagine. Insane. But they got all these moves.

1:47:06They got like a face dodge. You got a roll dodge where you're doing a spin move, all these things. And I'm like playing D-line. I'm grabbing the stick. I'm like, I'm taller than this dude. I swim him like this. Just pull a swim move out. And my coach is like, what are you doing? That ain't going to work. Bro, nobody can stop my swim move. I'm over here swimming everybody. And now there's guys doing it in Division I lacrosse. You see guys doing it. And Coach is like, every time I see it, I think of you. And I'm like, yeah, that's because it's a good move. Coach, if you ain't seen it, what makes you think that they saw it?

1:47:36You know what I'm saying? They don't think about that. Oh, that ain't never going to work. Well, Coach, if you ain't never seen it before, Well, how do you think? Do you think they ever seen the best? So I know it's going to work. All right, last question. Do you have a welcome to the NFL moment? Well, yes, I have an iconic welcome to the NFL moment. I got two. I got two for you. Well, my very first pass in the NFL was a touchdown. And a lot of people can never say that, yes, it was a Cody Simpson ball on the pick six on my very first pass. That was a welcome to the NFL. So, look, this is the craziest thing, right?

1:48:15We both threw a pick on our first. Man, that's why I knew you were my brother, man. Both of our first NFL passes were interceptions, man. Let's go. Listen, no, bro. I'm going to tell you about this. So, I'm with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and you know, we got Lovey Smith. Lovey Smith is our kind of come from the Tony Dungy tree. It's going to be two Tampa, spot drop three, or man. Right? And he'll probably bring a five-man rush pressure. You know what I'm saying? Play zone, fire zone in the back end. Man, our first game was the great Dick LeBeau. All that defense, all the different looks. Pressure.

1:48:50All that fronts, pressures. Man, the first third down was 36. Man, they ran two-man. Two-man. I'm coming from college. Man, I ain't seen two-man all year. Man, I set it up. Man, I threw a little choice route outbreak. Man, Cody Sissabach. jump that thing on the cut. I was like, oh my God. I had to hop on my horse and I was like, well, it was a touchdown. You know what I'm saying? But at first I was pissed. I was like, man, I wasn't prepared for this. You know what I'm saying? I didn't think they was going to play no two-man. I was like, what is two-man? That's too funny. First third, now you play two-man, like, welcome to the NFL.

1:49:29I thought I was an athletic quarterback. You played me two-man? Yeah. And then, look, nowadays you're watching film. You're like, oh yeah. oh, they play two-man. Some people say cover five. Nobody's got me. You hear the quarterback coach, man, look, it's embarrassing if they play two-man against you. And I'm just like, oh, man. So it was embarrassing that they play two-man against me. And it worked. I'm like, and it worked. I should have ran. Nobody's got you. That's too fucking good, man. Well, Jameis, man, appreciate the time. Appreciate the stories. Appreciate the wisdom. Best of luck with you over there in New York in the future, man.

1:50:11Always, always a huge fan of you as a person, man. And I can't thank you enough for jumping on with us, brother. Man, I retweeted that to both of y 'all, man. You know how much respect I have for you, Jason, man, for what you just done for this game, man. And Travis, as you continue to just inspire a whole generation of OGs, bro, the way that you kill it, the way that you dominate, bro. Thank you so much for the passion and the energy, you know what I'm saying? because like you always say, what you always say? You got to fight. No, y 'all.

1:50:45Come on, bro. And you be fighting. You the best, dog. I appreciate that. And that's the energy that we have, the fact that you know where I was going with it. I knew exactly. You already know. It's that passion, baby. You already know. So thank y 'all, man. Love you, brother. You already know, man. All love. All right, that wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you to Jameis Winston. Famous Jameis, baby. He did not disappoint. He never does. Make sure you subscribe to the New Heights channel on YouTube and follow New Heights on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcast. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.

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1:52:08I'm inside Travis is outside I'm inside he's outside but he's inside he's outside but he's inside all is true I have no conflicting remarks