Franchise Records, Sanders NFL Debut, Taco Domination and We’re Going “Belly Bucking” | EP 165

0:00Going down the only road I'd ever known Like a drifter, I was born to walk alone

0:11And I made up my mind And at the time, here I go again I don't know. Is that how it goes? I don't even know. Yeah, basically. I ain't wasting no more time. All right.

0:32welcome back to new heist ladies and gentlemen boys and girls a wondery show brought to you by adobe acrobat studio that's right on you pdf lovers adobe's been doing it for a long time we're selling software now there we go we're your hosts i'm travis kelsey is my big brother jason kelsey out of cleveland heights ohio cincinnati bearcat alums shout out to the Cats, a tough one this past weekend. But since he's since we got to get this thing fucking rocking and rolling, man, we got one at the house this week. Yeah, baby. Let's turn this thing around. Subscribe on YouTube, Wondery Plus, wherever you get your podcast and follow the show on all social media at do height show with one as for fun clips throughout the week.

1:10Jason, why don't you let the people know what we got coming up? All right. United percentage. You know the deal. We got a great episode coming up right now. We're going to recap the Chiefs of Broncos. return to james winston and rest of week 11 of the nfl coming in right now let's get into what we always get into and that's a little bit of that new news new news is brought to you by american express our taylor episode was named one of the best podcast episodes of 2021 of them what the are we talking about i mean yeah what is beating that one so magical is there are they rating other ones up there there's nothing that's even fucking coming close to that oh elon musk was actually a big one but anyways he was cheating he was doing political shit maybe we need to have amy and and tina fey come on here tina can do a great delco accent phenomenal delco accent pretty sure she's got a few good accents in her back pocket thank you apple for putting us up there for doing pretty much nothing and just having the most famous person in the world hop onto our show if you haven't heard it go check it out if you've been living under a rock or something okay we also got some more new heights headed your way that's right this friday we are dropping a heights hotline hot takes bonus episode on monday we're also gonna be dropping a guest conversation with aaron andrews and carissa thompson that's right maybe two of the most demanded guests of all time EA and Carissa are so much fun, man.

2:38You guys are going to love this. They are fantastically entertaining, knowledgeable, and charismatic. Again, if you are spending Thanksgiving in Philly and you're sick of your family, feel free to stop by the New Heights Tailgate at the link on Black Friday. We're going to be having a New Heights Tailgate in the parking lot. Reminder, we'll have food, merch giveaways, a photo booth, a DJ, games, a field goal competition. I don't like the field competition. I'm not stealing Pat McAfee's. We can do a better competition. We don't need to feel a competition. And it's free to enter. Just join us in Lockcase starting at 11 a.m.

3:13I say a snapping competition. Yeah, we can do, we can figure out. I want to do one-on-one pass blocks. I've been trying to get ESPN to let me do it. Oh, my gosh. I've been trying to let ESPN do it. And ESPN keeps giving me freaking pushback because it's like not safe. Whatever, ESPN. Just sign a waiver. You can make this shit happen. I think we do the belly bumping. Brandon, show the clip of the belly bumping. The belly bumping? That's the kind of competition I want. And in Philly, at a tailgate, this would be fucking electric. Brandon, hit it. This is what I'm talking about. Belly bucking. I want a belly bucking competition at the New Heights tailgate.

3:50That's what I want. You're hilarious. This would be. We got to get Bo Allen in town. Who else can we get into this thing? Who's got a big old gut? Golly, who else? Sponsored by Garage Beer. Look at that. Dude, I'm telling you. Basically sumo wrestling, but you're only allowed to use your belly. And if you get pushed out of the circle, you're out. You will have to sign a waiver. Yeah. Gosh, this is electric. It looks like the trick to this is to wear some tight fit jeans with a good strong belt. Look how he's grabbing his own belt. It's fucking. Yeah, that's how you do it. I love that part of the competition is just showing people pouring beers and drinking.

4:33Yeah. Yeah, these two guys are going to bump bellies, but it's more just a reason to get together and drink beer. How do you think they got those bellies, Jason? Drinking those damn beers. Dude, you drink too many beers and start belly bucking, you're going to start fucking puking all over each place. Sounds like we're going to do a belly bucking competition at the New Heights Tailgate. As long as, Brandon, are we amenable to that? Can we get a pretty good... Yeah, sure. What's it called? A waiver? Waiver? yeah we'll contact the new heights legal department and get that way i'm just saying dun dun fee with the freaking fanatic has his leg healed the last time i was about to say the last time i did something with him i was towards acl he's a year after he should be he should be about ready to go yeah the reality is i only want to do this because i want to compete okay i wouldn't throw this out there just for 92 i'm joining hold on just recap we're gonna do belly bucking the day after thanksgiving in the link that's right that's right all right done solved good luck Amazon Wondery and Philadelphia best of luck I'll see you guys in Philly Kylie responded to our announcement post ooh Jason take me okay Kylie's coming to the tailgate too it looks like there we go Kylie's missing a little bit of the tailgate in life Kylie's gonna compete in the bucket belly bucket can we confirm whether Princess Guyana will be in attendance at the tailgate Kylie are you going to the tailgate i mean yeah you're always invited all right she's in uh well the crowd is more pumped for kylie or jessie i mean kylie are the intern and jess j competing in the belly bucket you're gonna wear some tight jeans and a fucking tank top and start belly bucking jake i'll do it i'm in jake might medically be disqualified i think i've been cleared for belly bucking i'm in if you have a scar that goes right down your sternum you're out of the belly bucking it stops before the belly we're good i don't think i feel good i don't think we need to do this all right it's fine it's fine that wraps up new news brought to you by american express all righty let's talk about exactly where travis wants to go in this conversation oh yeah bold topics to wrap up week 11 in the nfl bold topics is brought Brought to you by KFC.

6:52All right, Chiefs 19, Broncos 22. I'll let you have the floor before we dive into anything else. Bunch of flags all over the place, whether it was, you know, procedural penalties, which is the fucking most frustrating thing ever, or holding penalties, which some I'm here for, others I'm just like, what are we even doing? And it's, you know, obviously putting up touchdowns instead of field goals, man. It's frustrating because it's gotten to the point where we're 5-5. We're 500 going into the back end of the schedule here. Got seven games left. And we basically got to run the table. And I haven't been in this situation in a long, long time, man.

7:35And it's even more frustrating knowing the kind of guys that we have, knowing the kind of talent that we have, knowing the type of coaches that we have. And everybody's got to just kind of look themselves in the mirror, man. You can't sit around pointing fingers about, you know, whether it's, you know, somebody missing a block here, somebody missing a catch here, somebody, you know, play calls, whatever you whatever you go into mentally. When you're frustrated, you got to kick that shit aside and you got to think about how you're going to fucking attack the day. and you got to put all the selfish shit all the all the things that you want for yourself aside and it's just got to be about this team about the guy next to you and you got to have fun doing it man and we got a hell of a team coming in that's that's firing on all cylinders that's that looks like they're getting after everybody in the in the run game and pass game and we're gonna have to put up fucking points to help our defense last week we didn't do that this week is uh you know it's it's about time we put it together man we've seen what this train looks like when when we're We're rocking and rolling, and we're having fun, and we need to just get back to playing Chiefs football, man.

8:41Yeah, I mean, well said. I do think that it's frustrating where you guys are at. You're 5-5. Five of those losses, though, are one-score games. There's like one or two plays a game, and you guys could easily still be at the top of the AFC. Let me ask you this. This is what's crazy about the NFL. If this year's Chiefs team played last year's Chiefs team, who wins you? I'm taking this year's. That's what I'm saying. I am too. somehow you guys are better but you're sitting at five and five you're just not being you're you're not executing as well at the end of games which is very uncharacteristic for pat and what you guys have been obviously last year it feels like it's all self-inflicting um and uh and and it feels like the answers are right there in front of us and we just got to fucking do it i hear you and it's frustrating to watch because i know how much you put into it how much you guys as a team and how much Andy puts into it.

9:32And well, there was one good thing that happened in the game, which is the Big Yeti set a record for the most touchdowns in organization history. He's now the triple crown holder for receivers in the Kansas City Chiefs organization. That's right. He has the most receptions, most yards, and now the most touchdowns for receiver in the history of the Kansas City Chiefs. Well, most touchdowns across the board for any player. I know you always like to downplay this stuff. Trav, this is a huge accomplishment and a testament to the career you've had in Kansas City. And I don't want to hear you downplay this one bit.

10:07This is incredible. The Chiefs are a storied organization that has been around since the beginning of the AFL, the NFL, all of it. They've been around forever. Tons of people have put that Chiefs uniform on. Hall of Famers out the wazoo. And you're the one guy at the top of that organization for an entire career in multiple categories. and I know you would trade all of that to have a successful season this year because that's the type of person you are, but you deserve all the credit in the world for this accomplishment. Congratulations to the big Yeti. Thank you, big guy. And it is an honor, man.

10:43Obviously, right now it's sour because it's coming off of a fucking loss, our fifth loss of the season. But I got so much, first of all, so much respect for the organization, so much respect for the guys that have paved the way, not only in the Chiefs organization, but in the National Football League that have made an opportunity for myself to come in and make a living, live out my childhood dreams, man. And I think shout out to Priest Holmes yet again. We talked about Priest on the show and how much we fucking loved him when we were kids watching the game. Obviously, Tony Gonzalez is a guy I still feel like I'm trying to fill his shoes and what he's been able to do in the National Football League and in this Chiefs organization.

11:27I just love coming into work, man. When you come into work with the right mindset and the right attitude and you've got a really good coach and a really good quarterback and you stay long enough, they don't fire you for 13 years, man. You start to pile up some stats, man. I'm just a product of my environment, and I love Kansas City for it. Let's go ahead and keep adding to that fucking record, baby, and score some more touchdowns this year. try and get us into the playoffs, man. Currently, you guys are 5-5, 8th in the NFC if it started today. Everybody wants to get concerned and all these things, but I think Andy is always head-on straight in these situations.

12:07We're not quite as negative as the outside world is. We know what we need to do to clean up, and the guys, they get it. Some of these guys have been through some pretty good seasons. It's not like this one is lost. The answers are right in front of us. I said it. Their answers are right there. You turn on the film. You see what's going on. You see where your strengths are, where your weaknesses are, and you keep getting better. And, you know, the concern isn't with do we have the guys? Yeah. The concern isn't do we have the coaches? Do we have the guys? Do we have the right people in the building?

12:40I have all the faith that we got the guys that we need. We just need to turn it up a notch. The accountability, the details. I'm right here raising my hand saying I need to get my shit right. And that should be the mentality of everybody that steps in this fucking building. And there needs to be a sense of urgency to get that shit done and to be proficient with how you're getting it done. And I got a lot of faith in the guys in this building. I know I'm going to go to war for them. I got a lot of faith in you guys as well, especially you. We just talked about this. Statistically, the Chiefs in 2025 are better than the 2024 Chiefs.

13:182024, 11th in EPA per play on offense, 15th in EPA per play on defense. 2025, third in EPA on offense. 10th in EPA per play on defense. I don't know that that means shit, but this is the one thing that I do think is showing the differences of the two seasons, 2024, 11 and no and one score games, 2025. Oh, and five. I know that you're saying you got to pick it up throughout the rest of the game, right? Like it's not just about end of game scenarios, but when I think of the chiefs, I do think about end of the game. I think about like, you can't give the ball back to Pat Mahomes. And I think it's important.

13:52I think winning a lot of times I talk about this on Monday, a little bit. Winning is a skill and you get used to that. As someone who has had immense success in late game scenarios, what do you think is the mindset you need to have to be able to execute better in end of game scenarios? The team isn't getting it done right now, but I know from you, from Pat, from Andy, there's so many guys there from Chris Jones understand what the thought process is late in the games. And it feels like right now the whole team is just not executing as well as they need to. I think just getting guys acclimated into the mindset that you have in those late-moment games.

14:29There's things that kill drives like that. Penalties, sacks, and big-time mistakes, right? Those are the three things you can't have in end-of-game scenarios, two-minute drills. You try and preach not making those. We had all of them, not only on that drive, but the drive after that. It was a little bit of everything. It was just, you know, for whatever reason, we just aren't in sync in those moments. And I don't know if it's having all of the guys healthy in these moments. And it's not effort. I can promise you that. You turn the film on, it's not effort, man. It's just getting the details right and focusing in on the task at hand, the play call, where we're going offensive line-wise in terms of blocking.

15:08And then receivers-wise, there's a sense of urgency. We got to fucking get going. We got to run. We got to make sure that we're on time knowing Pat's under duress. I feel like a lot of the times on the best teams I've been around, when you get into these crucial moments, communication gets heightened. And it gets heightened in a way that it brings you back down to just doing what you have to do. Like little things like, hey, it's going to be loud. We know it's going to be loud this drive. Lock in on the snap count. Make sure you're not offside, right? Little things like you're saying with the receivers.

15:40Like, hey, the moment you're breaking the huddle, you see guys communicating and saying, like, hey, you're going to hit the timing of it. Like, all these little communications between players, between the quarterback, like, hey, the end's jumping the play. Let's get a double count in here this next snap. Like, all of that just gets heightened in these crucial moments. And I know you guys have been a part of it. There's the clips with you and Pat talking before the Buffalo Bills game and him just giving you the do it, do it, Kels, right? There's a clip last year with the block field goal. You guys are losing the game.

16:13And these guys know they're going to go out and block the field goal, and they're talking about it on the bench before they go do it. The communication and great players in those crucial moments gets heightened. And that's something you guys have been so great at throughout your time with Andy and Pat and you and Chris and everybody over there. Everything you're saying is spot on, man. Tyreek Hill tweeted out, congrats to you. I didn't see this until right now. All right. Nice. if Cheetah was here if Cheetah was here he'd probably be the one celebrating the record that's a very good point he was fucking he was having himself in KC for a while shout out to the Cheetah get healthy my man DJ Cheetah he's on the boards now baby he's finding yeah he's getting every every every every I didn't know this is he good what kind of music like old school not old school hip-hop, but like our generation hip-hop?

17:0990s? Early 2000s? 2000s. I think it was 2000s hits. I forget the song. He posted it the other day of him transitioning from one song to the next and getting hyped that he finally made it sound decent. Nailed it. Sound up to the cheetah. Cheetah, let me know where you're going to be at, man. I got to come see my dog. You just mentioned you got the Colts coming up. The Colts have been red hot. They've been demolishing teams. Come back down to earth a little bit the last couple of weeks, but still find a way to get it done. This is a big game. You know, yeah, it's a huge game against a great football team.

17:41They're firing on all cylinders offensively. Defense is stout, communicate very well, play their gaps, play their fucking tails off. And obviously a great D coordinator that we've faced a lot. I was about to say a lot of familiarity. Lou Anarumo. Yeah, and got a lot of respect for him and every defense that he's been at the helm of. And we're going to have our hands full, man. But it's at Arrowhead and it's at noon and I'm already getting fucking fired up for it, baby. Thank you to our presenting sponsor, Adobe Acrobat Studio. How about it? You know what's worse than getting blindsided by a 300-pound defensive lineman when you least expect it?

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22:19What are your thoughts on the game? Oh, my thoughts are the defense is playing unbelievable right now. Probably the best they've played since Vic Fangio has been here the last two games against Green Bay. And now the Lions, who were coming off their best offensive performance of the season against the Commanders, they're playing so well right now. And it's at every single level of the defense. The defensive line is playing out of their minds. Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter were playing volleyball out there, batting down passes left and right. They had five batted passes. One of them ended up being a pick early that the Eagles ended up scoring off of.

22:55And I think that you know the Lions. They like to do all this run and play action. They hit a lot of stuff over the middle of the ball by sucking those linebackers up. When they batten down those passes early, that clearly, I think, got them out of their rhythm. Yeah, that makes you, as a play caller, as a quarterback, That makes you think about the next time you're about to fucking either call that or throw that kind of pass. Guys are winning their one-on-one matches up front and pass plays as well. Jalen Phillips has been a huge addition. They got Nolan Smith and Brandon Graham and all these guys healthy outside of that.

23:25They got great depth. Their linebackers, N 'Kobe Dean, Zach Bond, and John Campbell are freaking playing out of their minds right now. N 'Kobe Dean getting healthy has added another dynamic to this defense. Their DBs outside of the one corner position have been great all year, but even Adoree Jackson's playing better than he was earlier in the year. They're playing so cohesive and fantastic right now as a defense. To hold the Lions to nine points is very difficult, and it took everything they had. They had to stop them five times on fourth down. That's a very difficult task against the Detroit Lions.

24:00Their fourth down conversion percentage, I would assume, is well above 60%, 70%. The one thing that is frustrating, I think every Eagles fan is frustrated. Here's the thing. I thought the Eagles would win this game because I thought we match up well with the Detroit Lions. The Detroit Lions are a big, we're going to stuff this ball down your throat and then throw it over your heads. Control the line of scrimmage team. And the Eagles have always been good against teams that try and play football like that. Because we got the guys ourselves as well. And they line up and they play man coverage. They ain't hiding nothing.

24:33Like you play some teams are going to disguise the coverages are going to be, is it zone? Is it cover three? Is it quarters? Is it man? Like, and they're great at that area, Detroit, Dan Campbell, they line up and you know exactly what they're doing. Come beat us. And I thought we would perform honestly much better on offense against a defense like that credit to Detroit. They came to play on defense. They played up. They played well up front. They're linebackers. They stopped the run. They condensed the line of scrimmage when it was a run play. And in the back end, bro, they played really well in coverage.

25:09There's no other way to say it. Like, they answered the bell. I expected the Eagles offense to play much better than they did against the Lions, to be honest with you. They had some drops early that I think kind of got them out of a rhythm. The run plays, they were doing great on counter plays, but it just wasn't there consistently. But I got to give Detroit credit. But Dan Campbell, the way these guys play, we've talked about it for weeks now. I'm such a huge fan of the ethos of this team. I know they didn't get the win. They wish they did. 16-9, no, that thing was right there. They get two of those five fourth-down conversions that they didn't end up converting.

25:43This game could be completely different. And I thought it was a game that you want to see. There were two games this week that I thought were the four best teams in the NFC plan. Rams and Seahawks and the Eagles and Lions. Those are the big dogs right now. Credit to Detroit for playing a great game on defense. They get a couple more of those fourth downs. It's different. But for the Eagles to win this game against the Lions and now be the top of the NFC, awesome, awesome team win. Got to clean this stuff up on offense, but overall really happy. There you go, baby. Like you said, defense came up huge, 0-5 on fourth downs, but also held the Lions to 3 and 13 on third downs, which is fucking huge because the Lions are so good in those critical situations.

26:33And there's so many weapons on that fucking side of the ball, man. Fast, fast running backs. Did you see Jameer Gibbs in person or, like, even on TV? That's how you know you're fast. If you look fast on TV, you're fast. Because every once you'll be on the field and somebody will run by, you're like, that guy's moving pretty good. But then you see it on TV. He's always running about the same speed as everybody else. When you look like you're in a different gear than everybody else on the television, as what does Gruden say? Blur the screen. He blurs the screen. He does, man. And you guys held him, man.

27:05You guys held him. You guys shut down Glasses' Dan Campbell. I shut down my stamp of the week last week, man. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, who knows? Maybe a little rematch coming in the playoffs, baby. I mean, I would not be surprised at it at all. I would love, as a fan of the game of football, to see it. Because both of these teams, don't get me wrong, I love watching the tricky stuff that Detroit does. I love watching the unique coverages and fronts and everything that Vic does. But there's just something about both of these teams that they get also at the core of football, which is like we're going to line up and we're going to beat the shit out of you today.