George Kittle on Tight End Respect, Mike Evans on the 49ers, F*ck Dallas Shirt & TEU Recap | EP 197

1 Jul 2026 · 1 h 20 min · 27 chapters

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In short

New Heights episode featuring George Kittle and Mike Evans, plus a Tight End U recap. They discuss tight end respect, the 49ers offense (and Mike Evans’ fit), Kittle’s rehab and offseason activities, NFL travel, and the Tight End U summit’s origins. They also debate cut-blocking and what makes tight ends valuable.

Guests (backgrounds)

  1. George Kittle: 6’4” Iowa tight end; 7-time Pro Bowler; 5-time; co-founder of Tight End U; holds 49ers franchise records for most receiving yards in a game, most receiving yards in a season, and most receptions in a season.
  2. Mike Evans: veteran wide receiver now in a San Francisco 49ers uniform; praised for red-zone savvy and route/run effort.

Key claims

  • Tight ends are finally getting more recognition/pay, but blocking-first “dirty work” players still aren’t paid enough.
  • Shanahan-style offenses use tight ends to shift formations (wing to eye to spread) and create defensive mismatch problems.
  • Cut blocks should remain because defenders usually see them coming and they can reduce dangerous head-on collisions.

Notable examples

  • Kittle rehab: Alter-G treadmills, jogging at 100% body weight, first cleats on field.
  • Kittle Tight End Day story: 3 TDs vs Cowboys; airport Vancouver fan bet slip.
  • Tight End U origin: Kittle and Greg (Craig?) invited other tight ends after COVID; started with ~20, grew to 50–60; held first year at Lipscomb HS in Nashville; now includes guests like Kyle Juszczyk teaching fullback skills.

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Chapters

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New News and Updates

0:03 to 0:31

Discussion about the upcoming season finale and updates from the Beer Bowl.

“We take oral health as seriously as you take sports.”

Injury Rehab and Football Evolution

2:38 to 4:33

George discusses his rehab progress and evolving as a tight end.

“Our guest today is the 6 '4 tight end from the University of Iowa.”

Golfing Adventures and Plans

4:33 to 8:27

Discussion about golf trips and experiences, including plans for future tournaments.

“I am, I got, you know, like the Alter-G treadmills that are like the anti-gravity stuff.”

Oklahoma Roots and Player Connections

8:27 to 10:29

George shares his Oklahoma connections and experiences as a high school player.

“I'm like, I went to a ton of games over the course of three years.”

Mike Evans and Team Dynamics

10:29 to 14:00

Conversation about Mike Evans joining the 49ers and his impact during practice.

“We played him in 2000, I think not eight, maybe.”

Mike Evans and Team Chemistry

14:00 to 18:13

Discussion about Mike Evans' performance and his impact on team dynamics.

“Mike Evans is now in a San Francisco uniform.”

Tight End University Origins

18:14 to 24:48

Exploring the inception of Tight End University and the collaborative effort behind it.

“I heard there's some great golf out there.”

The Evolving Role of Tight Ends

24:49 to 29:50

Discussion on how the tight end position is gaining recognition and evolving in the NFL.

“elevated just a little bit more and a little bit more and like you know hey now use checks coming this year to teach guys how to play a little fullback.”

The Journey to Tight End

29:50 to 31:55

Discover the personal experiences and challenges of transitioning to tight end in college.

“And like you just said, all of the best offenses are trending in that direction, especially the ones that are coming from, you know, the Shanahan and McVay and all those trees.”

Iowa: The Tight End Factory

31:55 to 33:59

Explore why the University of Iowa is renowned for producing successful tight ends.

“But after my freshman year, they're like, hey, we might move you to linebacker.”
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Iowa: The Tight End Factory

36:12 to 37:00

Explore why the University of Iowa is renowned for producing successful tight ends.

“Yes to the weird idea somebody throws out.”

Tight Ends as Quarterback Allies

37:00 to 39:08

Discuss the vital role tight ends play in supporting quarterbacks on the field.

“That's easy because you're the blanket, man, that just keeps him warm and cozy.”

The Physicality of Blocking

39:08 to 42:03

Examine the techniques and challenges of blocking, including cut blocks.

“I remember the first practice I ever went to, collegiate practice I ever went to, was with Jason on a visit to the University of Pittsburgh.”

Tight End Inspirations and Playing Style

42:03 to 44:20

Learn about the tight ends that inspired George Kittle and his playing philosophy.

“who were the tight ends that you watched?”

Emotional States in Football Performance

44:20 to 46:28

Discover how emotional intensity can impact performance on the field.

“I get fucking pissed and I go on like a terror for like an entire quarter where I am just feel like I am fucking killing people.”

Draft Experience and Meeting Teams

46:28 to 47:55

Hear about George Kittle's draft experience and interactions with NFL teams.

Mount Rushmore of Tight Ends

47:55 to 49:48

Explore George Kittle's personal picks for the best tight ends in history.

“Like, I was one of those guys at the combine.”

Podcasting with Family Dynamics

49:48 to 52:36

Listen to George Kittle discuss the challenges of podcasting with family versus friends.

“And I was like, that's, that makes you a great football player, man.”

The Origin of the 'F*ck Dallas' Shirt

52:36 to 56:00

Uncover the story behind Kittle's infamous shirt and its significance to the 49ers.

“Yeah, and so that means, Jason, you can no longer refute this.”

George Kittle's Inspiring NFL Journey

56:00 to 1:02:58

Explore George Kittle's experiences and memorable moments from his rookie year.

Passion for Football

1:02:58 to 1:04:01

Discussion about George Kittle's love for football and his dedication to the game.

“You can tell the story with the best of them.”

Passion for Football

1:04:13 to 1:05:18

Discussion about George Kittle's love for football and his dedication to the game.

“Whether it's stretching before a big game or, you know, just hitting the golf course or...”

Highlights from Tight End U Recap

1:06:09 to 1:10:00

Recap of the Tight End U event, featuring memorable experiences and standout moments.

“and I came back with the shiny shirt that I will ever own.”

Tight End University Highlights

1:10:00 to 1:12:00

The hosts discuss their favorite moments and people from Tight End University.

“So, I mean, it was really cool getting to, like you said, see all these guys on the field.”

The Experience of Tight End U

1:12:00 to 1:14:20

Insights about the open practice and fan interactions at the event.

“Mac Jones was a delight, an absolute delight.”

The Concert Experience

1:14:20 to 1:17:00

A humorous recount of a concert experience and its excitement.

“The roar of that crowd, like, it was, I've never heard anything like it.”

Reflections on the Event

1:17:00 to 1:19:35

The hosts reflect on the joy of meeting fans and the overall experience of the events.

“if I have room in my schedule now as a certified influencer, I guess.”
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0:00This podcast is brought to you by Colgate Total. We take oral health as seriously as you take sports. That's why Colgate Total Active Prevention uses advanced technology to help prevent oral health problems like cavities and gingivitis before they start. It's clinically proven to provide 24 hour antibacterial protection with twice daily brushing after four weeks of use. So get a winning routine and prevent oral health problems before they start. Shop Colgate Total Active Prevention at a retailer near you. As a fellow NFL podcaster, which is harder, hosting a podcast with your brother or your wife?

0:36I think with your brother, because you guys will just talk to each other. Like, I will not talk to my wife. She will whoop my ass. Claire will beat the shit out of me. To be fair, Jason will whoop my ass, but we do most of these remote. Yeah. So, like, I'm terrified to say the wrong thing. And then once the camera gets off, I'm hiding. Claire, know all about that. Oh, yeah, dude. Your wife beats your ass all the time, Jason. I know that. I'm a true son.

1:04Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. A Wondery Show brought to you by Expedia, the place you go to go places. Gotta love that slogan. We're your hosts. I'm Travis Kelsey and my big brother, Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Jason has kids if you can't hear and subscribe on YouTube, wherever you get your podcasts. I can follow the show on all social media. That's New Heights Show with one S. That's at New Heights Show with one S for fun clips throughout the week. Jason, tell the people what we got coming up this episode. Well, we got another great episode coming up, 92%, as we finally got them.

1:36We finally got them. That's right. George Kittle is here. That's right. The People's Tight End, baby. The People's Tight End is in the building. He's going to get his intro. And we also sent our interns to summer school at Tight End. Yep, they're going to recap their time in Nashville at the end of the episode. We might have some footage. I hope that we have footage. We're 100 % getting some footage. And we are also going to make fun of them. Let's get into some of that new news first, though. New news is brought to you by American Express. Yes, the Express. All right, programming updates. Next week is the last episode of the season.

2:14Can you believe that, Trev? How about that? It flies by. Yes, it does. We got a video recap on the fourth annual Beer Bowl and should be coming out in July. Nice. And yeah, that's it. That's it for new news brought to you by American Express. And now we're going to toss it to George Kittle. The intro he's been waiting for his whole life. This conversation is brought to you by Mentos Gum. Say yes to fresh and say yes to tight ends. Our guest today is the 6 '4 tight end from the University of Iowa. he's a seven-time pro bowler five-time and the co-founder of tight end ue holds the 49ers franchise record for most receiving yards in a game most receiving yards in a season and most receptions in a season come on a defender of tight ends chugging beer that's right please welcome the people's tight end george kiddo there we go let's fucking go i need it again wow i'm sweating i don't know if you guys are that felt great i was just as good as i expected it to be thank you perfect perfect i gave it my all i gave it my all george my first question out of the game i have to ask you this you are you're the people's tight end you are the founder of tight end you yes is travis kelsey a tight end yeah yeah all right there we go easy it is the cool thing about tight end has played a bunch of different ways that's the cool thing about it yeah so he just plays his way the best probably of all time thank you for saying it as nice as nice as you can say it right there just because you're not frontside outside zone 24 7 like other offenses you still do what you're supposed to do at a high level so it is what it is i might have to adapt and and start changing my ways my my ways were not working as well as I wanted to last year.

4:11So always evolving too. Always evolving too. Just go back to what you were doing at Cincinnati and just hitting people. Hey, let's fucking go, man. I'm going to have to gain 20 more pounds. I don't know if those AC joints are holding up to that. How is rehab going, George? I know that. How's everything going? Rehab's going great. I am, I got, you know, like the Alter-G treadmills that are like the anti-gravity stuff. hell yeah so i i got i love those i'm at 100 body weight uh going at nine miles an hour jogging so i think i'm ahead of schedule we just started uh our jumping series doing some you know 1080 walks some marching stuff so we're out i was in cleats for the first time yesterday so hey we're back on the field yeah so i'm pumped fuck yeah we're excited about it fuck yeah man all good news football is just so much better when we got fucking eight five out there fucking scoring tighties man yes lots of touchdowns let's just do that both this year traf please come on now just lots and lots of the year the tight end what was what year was it where like it felt like every tight end on uh national tight end day had like a reception tight end was it the first one the first one was really good and i think it was 2023 because that national tight ends day was on my birthday i had three touchdowns against the cowboys or something like that and i literally saw someone i was in an airport in vancouver and i'm sitting there and a guy walks up he goes hey can i show you this it's his bet slip from that national tight ends day and i scored in the night game and he put like five hundred dollars down he won like 35 000 fuck yes i was like yes yes yes so he bought me he bought me a beer to repay me i said thank you yeah we're even yeah we're even that's a taste that's a tasty beverage right there that's a tasty beverage that's pretty happy dude you uh you've been rehabbing your ass off we all know that but um it hasn't stopped you from get out on the golf course we had some fun out in bandon you've been seen all over the place with your shirt off on some courses what establishment is this allowed at cabo cabo yes well there you go cabo will let you do it okay let's do what you want to do the banding thing was fun because i was told that as soon as i got out of surgery my achilles ellatrosh walks up to me the surgeon my first question was can i golf at the end of march i'm going to band and dunes with the boys and he said yes absolutely and i was like i'm good i don't ever ask him that that's what player told me that i asked that question i was like that's fantastic and we did it six rounds in four days boys that was a great time we got pretty lucky yeah we got lucky but george you were playing some pretty good golf i had some good golf i had like a great round i shot an 81 on the first day which was diabolical and then i was like i was like i was like high 80s uh most of the rounds but the 30 like we did two days of 36 holes and i think those those crushed the group oh dude walking at the rate of the drinking rate and the walking rate uh and the swinging rate into the wind that kind of caught up to us after a few days we we we i think everybody the last day was not golfing at a high level just like woke up like what the fuck are we doing some decently early tee times that was a great time where would you go for another good golf trip i will recommend for sure i went to ireland last year for the steelers game out in dublin steelers vikings and played a bunch of course out there absolutely highly recommend ireland i've heard scotland all that uk area uh i think that that's one that i would i would love to do personally more.

7:45There's that Northeast, though. I think right now, like around the Hamptons, while New York is beautiful, I think there's like five, six, seven courses kind of all within like a drive that can be pretty fun. I would do that as well. National, Sabonic, Shinnecock is having the U.S. Open this year. Oh, yeah. The Bridge. Yeah, there's a bunch of great golf courses up there. Because for the most part, we're working. the best time of the best time to golf up there is usually now either the heart of the off season where you're you're trying to like enjoy the last bit of uh break with everybody or it's when the season ramps up in august and all that stuff so but there's great golf up in the northeast yeah one of these days let's make a trip let's make a trip boys you have a new heights golf tournament i'll be there dude i don't know why we haven't thought of that trip i think we have actually thought about it you wanted to go straight pga you wanted to take it to like the most official golf tournament ever but you're right when uh when time is right that's definitely something we got to put on the uh the schedule you were not only seen golfing you were seen at a thunder game i was absolutely apparently a lot of people don't know you're from oklahoma so this was a learning experience for the internet it is it was i went to high school in oklahoma for three years so it's I got to see James Harden, Russell Westbrook, KD, Nick Collison, Serge Ibaka in the prime.

9:13And so I went to so many games. I feel like, why are you a Thunder fan? I'm like, I went to a ton of games over the course of three years. And it was fantastic. I got to see Kobe play down there. I got to see the Spurs and Tim Duncan down there. It was so sick. So I went to so many games. I've been a Thunder fan since 2010. 10 my bay area fans are not fans of the fact that i like the thunder i get a lot of crap for that yeah there's nothing worse than getting called out on twitter or x-man uh that you're a bandwagon guy or that you're not a loyal fan i think it's actually my last tweet ever is uh me trying to defend my fandom the guardians who i now am a proud owner of that's right that's sick i um it was definitely not my uh most best uh way to handle a situation but you handled it perfectly can you chill can you just can you just fucking chill just chill out man it's not that big of a deal were you close to going to oklahoma was it obvious going to iowa was that ever a contentious thing oh i had a preferred walk-on spot in high school i was six foot one 180 pounds so not a lot i don't think that oklahoma was looking at at that point i mean i was no slouch i mean what are we talking about well this was i mean what this was 2012 and i think what trip williams just got done playing at oklahoma they were just all in the bcs championship all the time so i didn't really fit that quota but my dad was a coach there my dad my dad was a coach it always seemed like oklahoma back then had like the biggest freaking natures that you had ever i was not a i was not a freak no oh who was the fucking tight end man gresham gresham germain gresham so sick oh my fucking God.

10:54We played him in 2000, I think not eight, maybe. And it was Phil Lodeholt, Trent Williams, Gresham, like the entire line. Six out of five other linemen were drafted in the NFL that year. So sick. Made no sense. Actually, I was still in 2010. I was still, it was right before I transferred to Oklahoma. My dad went to college with Bob Stoops. So he would always let us come down to Oklahoma games. And I got to go to the El Paso Sun Bowl, Oklahoma because that was the year that they had Sam Bradford, Trent Williams, Gerald McCoy, but they all got hurt. so he kind of lost some games. It was the El Paso Sun Bowl versus Stanford where they had Toby Gerhardt.

11:29And so I got to watch OU play them. I was on the sideline hanging out with Trent Williams and Jermaine Gresham for like the entire game as like a sophomore in high school. I'll never forget it. It was one of the first things I told Trent Williams when we got him in 2020. I was like, dude, we hung out like 10 years ago. He had no idea. No memory. Zero memory of it. I have the same type of memory with my guy Chad Henney. my high school coach just happened to know the QB coach up in Michigan. And I sat in meetings with him and everything. Like it was him. Shout out to Ryan Mallett, RIP Ryan Mallett.

12:04But it was those two and like five other QBs. And I'm sitting in there listening to them basically speak Chinese because it was a form of an offense that I had never heard in my life. It was basically double post to Mario Manningham every single play. And I told Chad this story back in, I think, 2017, 18, when he joined us. Man, he had no fun. He said, oh, yeah, we used to try and play catch with those dudes and just watch Ryan just fucking rip 100-mile-an-hour bullets at their face. Ryan Mallett was at my Exos when I was training for the Combine. And so we would do the gauntlet. And he would just stand there.

12:43He was huge. He'd be the last quarterback. And he would throw it as hard as he could at your face. And I don't know if anybody ever got a pass from him. I was like, dude, can you just make it a little easier? He goes, no, this is what the league's like. I was like, all right, man. Sounds good. I didn't know any better. Fucking gauntlet. Oh, dude, I would love to do that. Let me go through it as a tight end. I feel like I could have played tight end in another era. Travis, no. Well, like George said, you know, you can play tight end your own way. Hopefully a team picks you up. What's it? Freaking Washington from Steelers.

13:14Just be straight fucking meathead blocking. I don't know, man. They need to keep incorporating that man down the scene. He was making some fucking plays. He had some sick plays last year. There was a play, he broke like four tackles, and it took three guys to tackle. I was like, oh, my God. He was on someone else's podcast, and he said he weighed 320 or something like that. I was like, goodness, great. There's no way. 320? He's enormous, Travis. Holy fucking shit. He's one of the biggest people I've ever seen. Listen, I get up to high 260s, and I'm like, I need to get down. There's no way I can play this position like that.

13:50This dude is just rumbling and bumbling. Owning everybody. That was pretty. His highlights are fun to watch. Well, we had you back at OTAs. You were talking about being in the Ultra G. We also got you pushing a sled. Looking great. Other pictures out of OTAs. Mike Evans is now in a San Francisco uniform. How does he look to you? How's Mike looking? Well, we had a red zone period yesterday, and I'm pretty sure he had five touchdowns. So that's a highlight. Yeah. Yeah, that's getting some good use out of the big guy, man. I love it. One thing that I was talking to Purdy about last, a couple of days ago was that this is our first like veteran wide receiver since we had Emmanuel Sanders in 2019.

14:27Like I had Debo and I had you, but like they were both like years one through four, you know, D was like year five. But like Mike Evans is a guy like just watching him and his savviness. Like he had a, you know, you know, like the concept like you, it covers you're in the red zone. One guy has a corner. The guy has like the, the now right underneath it. and the way he sets it up versus a guy without like he has guys outside leverage the way he sets it up and then just gets wide open and i'm just like so it's so fun to watch just so savvy catches everything runs great routes gives great effort i'm all in on mike good dude also awesome tv to harry potter enthusiast loves harry potter more than anything really what are you i was gonna say i haven't gotten to that with him but he is a he likes trivia like he's read all the books countless times and so he wants you to hit him with trivia that he doesn't think that he will know.

15:14He'll just walk up to you and he'll just ask you around a trivia question. Like, who was the potions master in book three? I'm like, I think it was Snape at that time. But that's what he just does it, and he loves it. So that's been pretty fun, too. I am fucking in on this. So he's read books more than once? Yes. Damn, I didn't know that. Some people do that. Some people do that. That's a thing. That's a thing that people do. Yeah, if you find a book you really like, you go back and read it again. i thought it was just like if you could get through it and you were finished like that was the finish line you're people actually retaining these things they're actually understanding what they're and they want to read it again it's a new it's a new concept it's a it's a new one it's a new concept reading and retaining people are getting people are getting smarter are you ready for all the traveling the niners got to do this year dude uh yeah what is it 40 000 miles i can't wait just yeah you guys are gonna log uh the most travel miles by it'll be good you'll be as far away from the nuclear facility as possible or whatever that thing is next the power plant you just gotta hey look i did see they added my first day back at ota is they were actually making the power plant bigger so you know good for us they're making it bigger you gotta look for the positives and everything man just so jace that's a great point um you know one thing i look at is the The lights will always be on, baby.

16:37Let's go. Most of our flights are four to six hours anyways. So it's just like, I don't know, the 15 hours is crazy. But besides that, it's like, all right, I'm going to get on the plane. I'm going to sleep. I'm going to watch a movie, watch some film. We'll be there at some point. It is what it is. Yeah. Get a dub and on the way back, just have a good old time with the boys. Would you rather go out a week early or go out the day before the game on this 15 hour flight? I would rather go out the week early on the 15 hour. Yeah. Yeah, if you're going to make me go 15 hours across the world to play one game, let me enjoy grabbing a bite to eat, hanging out with the guy.

17:13Let me build some chemistry with these guys. That's what I was going to say. I think the sports science guys look into the circadian rhythms and stuff like that. Yes. We went out to London or whatever, and we stayed multiple days when we were out there. But, dude, you can't replace hanging out with the guys. No, it's like a, it's like a trip where you have to hang out together. You're going to go out to eat at dinner. Like it's set. It kind of gets you away from all of the other regular routine that happens at home and forces the team to get closer. That's why I think it's better to go out the week.

17:46I'm with you on that. And then like, also, cause I know there's something with like the times, I mean, your sleep schedule, all that. So it gives you a couple of days to get back normal to that. And also after the game, I think we play on a Thursday and in America. So it's just like, all right, well, we don't play again until the following Sunday. So we have four days before the, before the next install. So just bite the bullet. Let's go early, get back, sleep for the next three days. Let's go early. Stay a few days. Yeah. Hell yeah. Yes. Stay a few days. I'm in. Stay a few days for the week. Can we just hang for the weekend here?

18:18Actually bring my golf clubs. Who knows? I heard there's some great golf out there. Yeah. You guys got to be talking about Australia and then Mexico city. uh i played in mexico city mexico mexico city is a fun place to play we played there in 2022 it was amazing i had a great time the crowd's insane dude insane just non-stop action the entire game the entire game is going fucking nuts we got really lucky because we were the road team and we were playing the cardinals and they were the home team but it was like 98 percent niners fans and then 2 % 2 % every other team's fans and so like in warm-ups the camera guy they would put on the big screen like they put up a video of like Kyler Murray and the whole stadium would boo and then they would cut them then they'd cut to like Jimmy G and the whole crowd would lose their minds and they'd cut to JJ Watt everyone would boo they'd cut to me everybody would cheer and I was like this is not a home game for these guys that's so tough no so when the chargers moved to la it kind of was like la isn't that fed fan base yeah they've they've gained some momentum now though their their their fans are showing up but when we played them when we played them down in mexico city it was a home game for them yes for the chargers they they it was there were some fucking chargers fans down there in mexico city going nuts yeah so it was uh they're 20 minutes I was surprised to see that, definitely.

19:44So, yeah, I mean, they got some fans. There you go. How pumped are you about Miles Garrett, dude? You get to play him twice? Yeah. Twice a year. Awesome. Awesome. You know, honestly, my – How the fuck did they get here? My only message really is like, hey, Aaron, you're enjoying retirement. Aaron Donald, you're fantastic. You had a great career. You won the Super Bowl. You're one of the best, even the players of all time, man. Just you're good, man. You're great. Yeah. Keep working it out. Just keep hanging out with your family. you can come out of retirement at any moment man both of those guys on the field is the wrong person pokes that bear man he's gonna fucking be like michael jordan in the 90s don't do it i will say like when we were playing the rams twice a year with aaron donald like you get the aaron donald treatment which is like hey everything slides to him you run runs that avoid you know him you always have four hands on him so i'm not saying like they're both amazing players but you You just got to do the same thing with Miles.

20:42You just got to – you have a Miles Garrett game plan, and you just got to hope that no one else decides having the best game of their life. Just got to slow him down, man. Try to slow that man down. Don't let that guy ruin the game because he can. He will ruin the game if you give him the opportunity. Yeah. I mean, like, at some point they're inevitable, but you just got to hope that those couple players aren't strip sacks or a forced interception or something like that. I'll tell you what, though. I'm going to be turning on that fucking film when Miles is going up against Trent, dude. that is going to be prime time action.

21:13We're going to do a lot of boots, a lot of boots, a lot of slices, a lot of chips, a lot of cracks. Get in his head. A lot of sift blocks is what it's going to be. A lot of sift blocks. Yeah, a lot of sift blocks. That's going to be our best case scenario probably. Just get them off the scene. Yeah, yeah. Some guys are just built different, man. We had a joint practice with the Browns, and we're walking around afterwards, and Joel Petonio stops me and he like taps me. He's like, hey, points over there. And Miles is there with his shirt off. He's like, can you believe we're the same species?

21:54That's very true, man. That guy is like the closest to an alien I've ever seen playing the game of football. Like the way he bends and moves, it's just, it's insane. He's unreal. Cat-like fucking reflexes, man. Yeah, he's got the reflex, and then he can get to the quarterback in three steps. He's slippery. Yeah, he's a really good player. So, hey, what a good challenge. Can't wait. That's the tight end mentality, man. Let's get into a little tight end you, brother. We're taping this just before tight end you actually happens. Shout out to Reese's for making it happen for us this year and all the supporting sponsors.

22:27All the funds going to tight end you are going to help out. Charities all over the place, including mine and George. But first off, can we talk about how this thing started? Please. Get the people, get the 92 %ers informed on how this thing started. I can tell you from my end of things, I got a call from George and Craig asking me if we wanted to do a tight end you summit. And I was like, yeah. Yeah. That was it. That was pretty easy. That was probably it. And then we made it happen from that point on. Rubicon did an unbelievable job of getting sponsors, getting it kind of paid for and organized for all the tight ends that come through.

23:08And they do an unbelievable job every single year. What made you and Greg really like come together about this thing? Well, it started with, so like I live in Nashville and I was trained with like seven to 10 tight ends in the NFL, just in Nashville. And it was the end of COVID season. It was Greg's last season. He was with Seattle. And we were talking like after it was like the second to last game of the season. and he was just i just asked him was like hey would you like come on down to nashville and i think he had said he was going to retire and we're just like would you come down to nashville just like watching film with me and the boys just so like we can take another step in our career because like you obviously know what you've been you've been doing great for a long time you're amazing like i'd love to learn something from you and he was like yeah let's talk about it after the season so call it like february or march and like i call him like hey what do you think we should do this he's like hey what if we invited a couple other guys like we'll get up to 20 guys we'll get our marketing team involved with it maybe like do a funnel sponsorship thing so we like kind of pitched the idea to our marketing team they're like yeah we'll give it a shot and then as soon as we scheduled it we went from 20 guys to slip i think our first year would we have like 50 or 60 guys we invited 20 and then like word kind of got out and everyone was just hitting us up like hey i want to come i want to come i want to come i want to come we're like oh yeah okay we'll do what we can and the first year we held it at a high school in uh in nashville lipscomb which was fantastic it was just a little small for us and then it was great it was really fun very intimate and then um once we got rolling it's just kind of been like oh this is still we're having a great time it's an excuse to get the boys and the wives together hang out in nashville drink a couple beers play some football learn a couple things and like every year is just kind of elevated just a little bit more and a little bit more and like you know hey now use checks coming this year to teach guys how to play a little fullback.

24:56Yeah. Jews. The full Ohio ball player, baby. Well, do you know, there's so many tight ends that are playing fullback these days or like in that role where like they're either in the eye or they're bumping and all that stuff. So I thought it might as well bring in 10 time throw bowl or Kyle use check pretty good at his job. Yeah. Yeah. It's decent. Yeah. He'll know how to spread some wisdom. Yeah. So I thought, you know, we got that and then it'll be a good time. Yeah, man. That sounds awesome. I mean, I bring it up. Use check. That's one thing about tight end you that I really appreciate that you guys are putting together.

25:27Because like you just said, it feels like the tight end position is increasingly having to do more and more things in offenses. In particular, what you guys do in San Fran as the Shanahan, Kubiak, McVay tree continues to spread. The way you guys get to all these different personnels and formations while utilizing two tight ends, three tight ends, right? You can be in a wing set and all of a sudden in an eye set and then all of a sudden in a slot formation, go to spread. It's the ability to mix and match this stuff. And I love watching. I love the creativity, man. I love watching Juszczyk go in motion and really get to like a tight end wing outside zone run.

26:06But then I'm like, oh, wait, are they treating it like that? Are they treating it like a fullback run? Because now George is reckless reaching and he's letting him go if he goes inside and leaving it for Juszczyk. I'm like, that stuff is so fun to nerd out as an offensive lineman. It is. And the stuff that you guys do. and love that you check us coming because he is a piece that I feel like is he's appreciated by all you guys. I know that. Yes. And I know that he's been a pro bowl, but he's a guy, especially for that offense. I think he's been a really awesome piece. So very cool that he's going down there this year.

26:34I don't know how our offense would survive without juice because the amount of stuff that we just kind of put on his plate. That is, I'm just letting you know, like if I had to do the things that you said to do, I would be really upset all the time. Like there's like, Hey, We're going to have you bump, then dash, and then you're going to counter back, and we need you to dig out the three technique and figure it out along the way. And also, you have to figure out the timing with the cadence and purdy, and then you're going to figure this out. And then sometimes, hey, the tackle accidentally picked up the three, so then Juice is replacing and picking up the guy he missed.

27:05It's just like, Juice is really our fixer. Anything that goes wrong with the play, it's usually him fixing something. So he's an incredible football player. Guys who watch them and understand football, they're like, yeah, that guy's a ball player right there. ball player no doubt he does that pretty well man and then yeah kyle's just getting good use out of that harvard education that he is and he's like you know what this guy's got neurons still firing i'm gonna fucking put him in a position where he's got to think a little bit still firing i like that juice said he's got like another 10 years in him i was like good for you easily why well i guess yeah if you love it yeah if you love it having fun winning ball games man Do you think tight ends are finally starting to get the recognition they deserve?

27:48I think so. We're getting there. I mean, like, we're kind of finally, like, getting a little bit more, you know, money as a room. Pay? Yeah. We're getting a little bit more pay. I still think we should get more, but it is what it is. But we're bumping that up slowly but surely. We're getting there. And then, I mean, look at, like, every, like, all the successful offenses last year. Everybody features multiple tight ends. I mean, like the Seahawks are in 12, 13 personnel or 22 personnel the entire time. The Rams are in 13 personnel. They're only in 11 or 13 personnel, which is pretty sick. It is crazy.

28:23It's super sick. I mean, like you go from having Devonta Adams and Puka, then all of a sudden you have three tight ends and you're running duo. You're like, oh, hello. They do a lot of good stuff, but it's just like the creativity that teams are using these tight ends for, especially if you have one that can kind of run a route and catch a pass. I mean, that's such a dual threat. And when you have multiple on the roster, you can just do so much with them. That's kind of where me and George are saying, like, we're starting to get a little bit of that respect from around the league. But it's the guys that are still doing the dirty work that aren't getting the love that they deserve.

28:53You know what I mean? Like, it's those guys like a juice, like somebody that feels irreplaceable, that isn't getting the respect in terms of the pay like that that we think he deserves. I think it's those guys kind of, you know, that aren't being featured as route runners that haven't gotten that elevated of pay yet. And that's, that's where we really think the tight end room should get that respect. Yeah. Like, I mean, cause like there's, there's like third, there's like number three wide receivers who get, I don't know, 30 catches a year that are getting over 20 million. Just like, I think that, I think the tight end who plays like 50 snaps a game and has one target a game.

29:28He probably deserves like at least what are you sticking his face in the But he's probably get 15 mil. Like that's just, yeah, that's my opinion. But, you know, we're working on it. But, hey, I mean, like we had Charlie Kolar. He just went and got paid by the Chargers for being a blocking title, which is pretty sick. And he got paid a ton of money. So, like, we're getting there. They're starting to figure out that you need a good tight end. For sure. And like you just said, all of the best offenses are trending in that direction, especially the ones that are coming from, you know, the Shanahan and McVay and all those trees.

29:57and it reminds me of like the 3-4 defenses and how they got really good and how they utilize their linebackers. And like they can be in a lot of these sub-personnels, they can get to a five-man front and feel good that an inside backer can hold the point at the end of the line in like 11 personnel. And they can get to six-man fronts. I remember playing New England. They'd build a five-man front with a high tower and Jamie Collins. They're running all these games and making it a nightmare in six-man protection and creating all these mismatches. And you guys do the same thing at tight end. The Rams do the same thing.

30:29When you have a guy that can be comfortable out wide and in line and in the backfield, and you can get to all of these different fronts and looks and run concepts, it's just very difficult for a defense to really hone in on, oh, what are their 12 personnel runs? What are their 11 personnel runs? How can we fuck these guys over when they want to get into these personnels and formations? Like they, it's harder to do that when you can mix it up right before the ball snap. Those are my, those are my favorite plays. Like when Channing comes in, like, you know, like you see, like you get a Wednesday install and you're just like, Andy was in his bag.

31:07Let's go. It's not like overly confusing, but there's a ton of movement. There's a, like a lot of weird formations. You're like, this is going to be a fun week. I love it when those plans come together. When'd you make the move to tight end? Was it college? Yeah. I showed up at the university. I showed up at the university of Iowa as an athlete and they just put me a tight end. And my first workout ever in the summer in the stadium with a bag. One of my coaches yelled at me. He goes, if you don't learn how to run block, you'll never play here. And I said, Oh dear. Okay. I'll try my best. No, I got to college.

31:39I was six foot two, 200 pounds. So it took me a minute, but then I grew two inches and gained 60 pounds. And so then it worked for me. It took me a while though. When that day happened, did you call big Bruce, your dad? and be like, hey, so can I actually get some of that knowledge that you were spitting to everybody else? Basically, yes. No, he was so full. I was like, I was very average. Like, I was a good athlete. I could run routes and stuff like that. But after my freshman year, they're like, hey, we might move you to linebacker. And I was like, don't do it. Nah. Don't do it. I don't want to play defense.

32:08I don't want to do it. So I stuck it out, and then I rode the bench for three years, and I finally played my fourth year of college. It worked out for me. Well, if there's one college that represents tight end you more than any other college. I mean, it is Iowa. Even in your intro, I think I was going to say the 6 '4 tight end out of Iowa. It's like that could be 15 guys at this point. What is it about Iowa that breeds tight ends? I think, like I said, the first coaching point you get is if you don't learn how to run block, you'll never play. And I think just establishing that mindset, it automatically makes every tight end who goes through Iowa like a two-way player.

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32:45It makes everybody a why. so like and it immediately puts you into being an unselfish player immediately you know what you said like your mindset is like what can i do for the team it doesn't matter how many catches i have i'm gonna block my ass off as best i possibly can and if i occasionally get a cool pass hey i'll make the most of it and i'll run i mean we just had a freshman like now i'm terrible with names we had a freshman that went off in the bowl game like 120 yards and a touchdown and it was like his third start of the season so it's just like we just get on and like why i i get ass they're like hey will you you know call this recruit for us and i'm just like sure and hey why should i go to iowa well every tight end since kirk ference has been head coach that started has made at least practice squad so if you want to go to the nfl you're like that's a 99 chance success rate i would just crazy i would just take it isn't that insane it's insane like every time that's ever like played you have at least a shot at a rookie minicamp and i think they have like, what is it?

33:39It was like 15 out of 18 starters. So it's just like, we can get you through the door, man. Yeah. That's your goal. That's a hell of a selling point right there. I think so. And it's like, yeah, Hey, are we up for a national championship every single year? No, but we're usually pretty good. We're usually, you know, up for a big 10 championship and we went a lot of games and you're going to have a little, really fun time. Cause I was a great party town. Great party city. All right, man. All Midwest places are not much else to do. There's not a lot to do. what we do yeah thank you to our presenting sponsor expedia fourth of july weekend is right around the corner that's right america's birthday and we all have that one fourth of july trip we still talk about yes that's true we sure do the one that turned a long weekend into a core memory expedia has you covered this year with last minute hotel deals up to 25 off plus deals on vacation rentals and packages to make great memories this 4th of July.

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37:20You're referring to the offensive line, the D line. We're friends with everybody. So, hey, QB, just a nice little dump off. Come on. We're right here. Right here waiting on you. That's really why Jason wants to play tight end. He wants the ball. For what? He wants – Dude, I picked up a fumble one time and got my legs cut out, so I had no interest in having that ball in my hand. I'm very good. DB was on me so fast. I'm very good just blocking. I know what I'm good at. I'm going to average nine yards a pop in high school, though. That's right. against Northeast LEL's finest. That's right. Oh, man.

37:56Are you more excited to go out to get a pancake and a block or a touchdown on a catch? Let's see. I think at this point in my career, I thoroughly enjoy scoring touchdowns. It's really fun. You don't get tackled. There's no physicality usually. Just catching a touchdown. But I say it's very satisfying to just perfectly flat back a guy and feel his breath exhale. it's a great feeling like it's just it's hard to beat that and like when you hear him like motherfucking himself that he just got pancaked by a tight end uh it's just it's very rewarding i also like have you ever like pancaking a db is satisfying because like one play later they can be knifing your knees out as you're trying to catch it like a ball over the middle and so if i can get my hands on a db i've always thoroughly enjoyed that i used 11 we could fucking cut block anybody anywhere on the field man that shit used to be the fucking best so fun Catch a safety coming downhill trying to catch a bubble screen or something, man.

38:55Oh, man. Used to be my favorite. I say bring those back. Actually, I think football's more dangerous when you can't cut block. I don't need blindside blocks. I don't need that stuff. But the cuts, because you see them coming, you just jump or you juke it. I always felt the same thing. I think a cut block, if you want to actually eliminate head hits and people running as full speed as possible into each other, you should want cut blocks still in the game like if you can't cut them a deep what's stopping a defensive player from trying to run through your head as hard as possible that's how i would try and mitigate it at linebackers like dude if you want to be a dickhead i'll cut your legs out real quick yeah there was nothing like i got a pole next to joe staley and he's cutting the safety and i'm cutting a corner on the same clip like that's just a highlight reel that i'll never forget i'm just like that that's good football like the blue angels like the blue angels at of air show there's a lot of there's a lot of defenses that want to cut that want to stop that cut block going across the ball to like seal the inside run what do you want us to do it's well first of all what do you want to do if you don't have that then it really is just going to be like two rams budding and just destroying each other not safe but outside of that you like you just said they there are very few times that the defensive end doesn't know that block is coming yes if they don't they're fucking so oblivious to like what's happening around them that's what it they know it's coming if you get your knee blowed out I mean dude step to the fucking side I don't know what you want me to do man what are we talking about here just don't eat it like just I'm with you like there's like you're gonna get cut but like 99 % of the times they see it with trying to move their feet lower their shoulder you see it and if you don't see it you shouldn't be in the NFL there's a why off on the other side of the field there's a chance he's gonna slice back and cut your legs I'm staring right at him Dude.

40:44Yeah. Dude. Come on. I remember the first practice I ever went to, collegiate practice I ever went to, was with Jason on a visit to the University of Pittsburgh. Old, what is it? Dave Wanstat and the gang. And I was just going as Jason's little brother, so I got to fucking feel cool and everything. I don't even think I was in high school yet. And the first play I saw in practice out there was, I think it was nine on seven or some run period. And a wide receiver came in in a sprinting motion from outside the numbers. No, no, no, on the snap of the ball, just absolutely sliced the DN. And this is fucking spring ball.

41:31Just absolutely to run a fucking toss his way and just absolutely smoked his own teammate in practice below the knees while he wasn't looking. I was like, oh my God, this is fucking college football. This shit is cutthroat, man. Hey, that happens to you. Hey, that's just horrible. I don't wish that upon anybody. Who thought of that play? I was like, yeah. Holy shit. That just ends careers immediately. Let me ask you this, though. When you made that transition to the tight end room in college, who were the tight ends that you watched? Oh, so let's see. 2012. um i was a big gronk guy i loved gronk i loved antonio gates still some of my favorite film to watch um i watched jason whitten and oh jordan reed i watched a lot of jordan reed because that boy was no one could cover him so fucking shifty he was sick he was so nasty it was in florida right yeah he was so nasty of florida man yeah so i watched a lot of his tape and then And I had CJ Fedorowicz was in my room my freshman year.

42:37He was the big guy who went to Houston. So I thoroughly enjoyed watching him play, too, because he was just – he gets your hands on it, and he was cooked. Did you catch Tony Mowiaki at all? He was gone before you. He left right before, but I knew Tony a little bit. And then Dallas Clark, obviously, I was a huge fan of. But, no, Tony was a monster. I cannot stand two kids that don't wear gloves. the only person that i like get away with is viva because he was so fucking goddamn strong but no i'm all about the gloves the guy that you had at tight end you the uh few years back that i fucking loved watching the most travis loved him too fucking jeremy shockey baby that's my fucking guy he was a great time yes dude jeremy get some actual game film on shockey i only got the highlights i gotta give i gotta see the dated the the play to play he was just angry just an angry person it's awesome it's one way to play the game respect yeah i do too shockey was so sick to watch it's a sport of collisions and violence if you're more violent the other person nine times out of ten i have more success i agree it did it works there was a guy that i played with i've told this story before but there's a guy that i played with who uh would get really pissed off and we went through something with chip where like we're doing this like mental conditioning and the guy and there was like a big thing of like hey like don't let your emotions get too high then you'll start to make uncharacteristic mistakes or whatever and i'm playing football and this guy's getting fucking all worked up and i was like dude you need to calm down like you're you need to freaking get back down to like here so and he's like fuck you i play better mad right and i it was like two years afterwards the guy was already gone and i'm fucking playing a game I get fucking pissed and I go on like a terror for like an entire quarter where I am just feel like I am fucking killing people.

44:34Yes. I don't know what it was. My nervous system was just on fire. And I shot that guy a text later that day and I was like, you're right. I'm way better when I play pissed off. Yes. Did he remember it? He for sure did. Yeah. He was like, I told you, I told you. If you hit that right level of anger, it's like an anger plus flow state. it's really hard to beat a person like that aaron donald constantly lives in that state oh he was always just angry i'm like aaron what the fuck are you mad about i didn't do anything easy big guy we're just having a good time right but there i love you there is absolutely there is absolutely something that happens like from like a chemical standpoint where when you get pissed off like your nerves just fire better like i don't know what it is i'm just like wired You're wired.

45:22But then there is like a down. You can't go too high because then it just crashes hard. It's hard to stay angry for four quarters. Yeah, you got to bottle that thing up. It's basically smelling salts. Yeah. That's what I was going to say. They definitely make some substances. Chase, you made a great point the other day. You were talking about like too many games being played on too many days. Yeah. And between that and then I think you might have mentioned about 18 games. But it was funny because I had to do – I was doing a media thing. And I did an interview like the same day that you did that.

45:53And I got asked the same question. We said basically the same thing. But then your clip came out and I was like, ah, I'm glad to see somebody smart with most of his brain left is making the same comments. But I know it makes me happy. I don't know that I got much brain left, but yeah, we're, we're, we can tag team that one, baby. Football on Wednesdays and Fridays and Saturdays just doesn't make sense to me anymore. Yeah. You know, we, we've already acknowledged like Monday was grandfathered in years ago thursday it feels like that was another stretch once you start doing it too much it's like dude you can't it loses its special like kind of magic when it's spread out over that many days it feels like just feels weird like before thursday night football came up like the thanksgiving thursday that was like the coolest thursday of the year it was awesome so you had two football games on thursday and you're just like yeah oh my god it was so sick i just remember as a kid like you'd wait all week for sunday and then you get monday night football and it was just such a pleasure but i will say i love thursday night games huge fan especially if you love them it's like if you know the offense you don't have to study very much great time yeah as a rookie terrible horrible nightmares very unprepared as a veteran player absolute chaos yeah just chaos it's like how do you expect this guy to just learn this hundred play install he's not going to he's just not going to we're gonna get into our last segment here uh get you in and out of this thing man we appreciate the time so far but uh we got to get into a little bit of that we gotta ask you can tell us to fuck off and you don't have to answer at all but okay fuck off we gotta ask fuck off no no no no no real quick real quick just what just here just hear one out here one okay okay i thought i was supposed to say fuck off that's on me uh nice uh what was your draft they like did uh shanahan make you do puzzles oh no um i thought i was gonna get drafted by the seahawks because the seahawks had called my agent and they're like hey we're gonna draft george to the next pick and then all of a sudden my phone is ringing from santa clara and it was john lynch and kyle shanahan and i was like sick this is awesome you had a fucking call from a legend on the field and a fucking son of another legend that then became another leg um nice that's pretty fucking sweet that was cool no i um so when kyle was in uh washington the puzzles question came up because his dad had us do like some like weird psychological like puzzle game with i believe with who was the team therapist at the time that's sick but i don't remember things very well back then but i remember doing the fucking puzzle and being like damn this is like kind of like a one-off like none of the other teams are asking me to do this little fucking puzzle i did not do a puzzle No puzzle.

48:39I didn't even meet with the Niners. Like, I was one of those guys at the combine. I flipped over my card, zero in-person meetings. I was like, sick. Perfect. Just a stereotypical tight end from Iowa. They don't need to learn anything about me. It is what it is. We know exactly what we're getting. He's the guy that loves football. You're going to give great energy. That's all you got. So, yeah, we don't need to waste our time with this guy. I had one of my roommates for it. What was his name? D.D. Westbrook, he was a wide receiver from Oklahoma, I think. He had like 32 meetings in the three days I was there.

49:15I was like, I have zero. Have fun, man. I had so much free time, it was sick.

49:24All right, next question. All right, here we go. Next question. What do you got, Zach? Gronk. Gronk puts you on his list of top four tight ends currently in the NFL. Thank you. This is Mount Rushmore. What is the George Kittle, Mount Rushmore of tight ends? currently right now or all time let's just go all time let's go all time okay because i'm gonna get yelled at for not saying mike dicka but i didn't watch mike dicka play so i think that's not very fair i was born in 1993 okay so of everybody you saw that you've personally seen play who is your mount rushmore of tight ends um okay let's go that i've personally seen play who i think are the best to do it um let's see i'm gonna go two of my favorite tight ends i got travis i got gronk and then i'm gonna go um tony g because i thought he was just so fucking sick and slippery and awesome and also i've seen so many of his highlight reels and then for my personal fourth i'm gonna go dallas clark because he's my iowa guy and i was clark and i thought yes because he was i remember he had a playoff stat where him and Peyton Manning had like 54 first downs in a row together or something crazy like that.

50:37And I was like, that's, that makes you a great football player, man. You're reliable when your fucking team needs to be reliable. And I'm also just, I'm a homer for Iowa tight ends. Sorry. Understandable. Understandable. Good job not putting yourself on a... He hasn't seen himself play. I saw Travis do that. It's my move, man. It's my move. Well, when I was a kid, I went and saw what Mount Rushmore looked like, and I thought I wanted to be on Mount Rushmore one day. So I thought, why not put myself on it? Why not put myself on it? As a fellow NFL podcaster, which is harder, hosting a podcast with your brother or your wife?

51:21I think with your brother, because you guys would just talk shit to each other. Like, I will not talk shit to my wife. She will whoop my ass. to be fair jason will whoop my ass but we do most of these remote yeah so yeah but like i'm doing everything i can to make sure she has the best time possible like you guys can chirp each other and you don't get to like you don't get offended too early i'm terrified to say the wrong thing and then once the camera gets off i'm hiding now all about that know all about that what was that you said oh yeah dude your wife beats your ass all the time jason i know that i had a golf outing yesterday and uh like we brought hecklers around to heckle the guys are the hitting balls and the main heckle for me was like your wife has your balls kelsey i'm like you guys have no idea how accurate that is she does she does she has all of them she has everything no argument you got me there man shout out to kiddo things everybody go check out Kindle things on YouTube wherever you get your podcast.

52:25And Jason isn't a fan of made-up holidays, but please let him know. Is National Tight End Day a real holiday? It's everybody's favorite holiday, specifically Jason's wife's. Everyone's favorite. Yeah, and so that means, Jason, you can no longer refute this. Okay. It's National Tight End Day, and then it's the 4th of July. And then Christmas is in here somewhere, too. I love Fourth of July. It's one of my favorites. I don't want to say it's underrated, but it kind of is. Because I think a lot of times you think of like Christmas and you think of other days. Yeah. No. Fourth of July is the holiday.

53:04Dude, being outside celebrating America, drinking and barbecuing. The weather is great. It's an all-timer. It is so good. Yeah. We always do. We call it, what is it? Zinja Warrior Challenge. That's what we have at my buddy Rob Tunyon's house. Oh, what's this? I'm very intrigued. All right. So it's an obstacle course. It's an obstacle course. The pool is probably like 20 foot by 10 foot rectangle with a basketball hoop. It starts off with flip cup. So you have a partner too. So it'd be like you and Travis versus me and Rob. You start with flip cup, one person. So we flip cup. And as soon as you hit it, you have to hit a shot and the hoop's on the other corner.

53:46So it's like a three point shot. As soon as you hit the shot, you dive in and you have to swim to the other side, grab a different basketball and dunk it as soon as you dunk it your partner is sitting there in the frisbee golf and he has to flip cup and then toss a frisbee golf in while you after you made your shot you're going to get up and run to another station as soon as he hits his frisbee golf you do another flip cup and then you have like one of those plastic golf ball things that hit me like the little red baskets so you have to hit you chip until you hit and as soon as you hit then your guy does another flip cup you got a different station and you're doing a one-shot beer pong with one cup remaining and you shoot till you hit and as soon as you hit it you have to this is intense you have to dive into the pool and whoever touches the water first wins and it has been we've done it for two years in a row and it is me and robin one back-to-back years but it is amazing we have so much fun that sounds awesome jason jason we might have to get in on this dude yeah birdie played last year uh he so we do like a round robin to then do seedings and birdie was the number one seed and we beat him in the second round idiot

54:49Loser. So yeah, 4th of July holidays, National Titans Day, as you asked, is a holiday. Fuck you, Jason. All right. Fair enough. God damn it. All right. Do you still have the fuck Dallas t-shirt? More importantly, I wore for my photo shoot yesterday for media day. Fuck you. Still got it. It's in my locker every day. Every day. It's in my locker. What was the inspiration behind the fuck Dallas? Just to rub it in? No, it was. So like, since I was like, since I got drafted to 49ers. Like they, when Shanahan and Lynch first got there, they were big on like, they wanted people to understand like the history of the Niners and like what the Niners were before that.

55:25Cause they were pretty bad for like several years before we got there. And so we were just like, so like I learned the history of the Niners and like one of the images that was shown to us was Gary Plummer. He was a linebacker and he's wearing this fucked house t-shirt pregame of a game versus Dallas. And I was like, at some point in my career, I want to do that. And so I like, I've had the phone, the photo saved on my phone for like i think nine years and then and then i finally just got the balls to do it and i so i bought it one for the entire time in the room i think it was 2020 i think it was 2023 season and i bought for the whole tight end room i was the only one who wore it but um you know what i was like fuck it i'm gonna pull this bad boy out tonight and it worked and i'm really glad i did it um it was really fun but like it's just like the photo of gary plumber doing it too he just like your old school classic white linebacker like from the 90s just yoked out of his mind thick neck probably a little juiced up yeah yeah but uh yeah so gary he was my inspiration and then i'm pretty sure it was totally random i ran into his daughter like on an elevator yep there it is let's go yeah that's a good photo is that a great photo the mustache oh yeah so i saw that i was like i'm gonna do that someday look at those fucking pads holy fuck do you imagine hit by that guy horrible yeah but so he inspired me we got another uh picture of you of one of the uh the best pictures i've ever seen in football is you uh diving for a touchdown that won the 2025 photo of the air of the year for the nfl um have you framed this photo yet uh so what's cool is our team photographer he does these big black and white like glass photos that have a light switch behind them and when you turn them on like only the color red pops up so whether it's your jersey blood like whatever but it's only like the color of your fans in the background that's the only that pops up and so i have one of those it's at my barn they're my workout facility so i got that one made yeah that one's sick it's so badass i thoroughly enjoyed that one what's more masculine pancake blocking a defender or killing a spider for your wife spider for your wife easy right easy did you know you were gonna go viral when you tweeted that out you know it was i don't know what it was all right do you guys remember uh okay when andrew luck played there was a twitter account that came out called like captain andrew luck and he like wrote he talked in like letters to his mom during the civil war do you guys remember this twitter account it's it's i was obsessed with this thing this is hilarious but like anytime he'd be like dearest mother the panthers tried to invade and we held them off as i attacked and threw for 300 yards and two touchdowns i will see you come christmas and it's like i don't know what i was singing about that in the morning on my drive to work and i was like i'm gonna try to do something like this and so then i just kind of wrote a fun little tweet and and then i got a care package from pita say don't kill spiders and their CEO roasted me, but I was like, ah, I'm going to choose my wife's, my wife's love over that.

58:27Sorry. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. All right. Last, we got a last one here. Last one. Okay. Welcome, welcome to the NFL moment. You want my off the field one or on the field one? We can do both. We can do both. You can cut this if it's not PG enough. All right. So my rookie year during OTAs, um my rookie year notice is on thursdays because like you know your rookie year like you're not busy at all so you're there for every weekend like you're not doing shit so like i was there every weekend and our equipment managers shout out for our equipment staff they're my favorite people but they were a part of a softball league and so they played every thursday night and so like there'd be anywhere from five of us to 15 of us would go to every single softball game on thursday nights but the best part was was joe staley went to every single one and he's like the 13th the 10-year vet like the guy he's awesome and like i had i had like three interactions with jose at this point so i was just trying not to piss him off because he was terrifying to me and as soon as the softball game ended we go to this bar called cartoons and they had karaoke on thursday nights and so then we'd go straight from there with all sounds fucking with all the equipment staff and we'd go to cartoons and we would be belting karaoke and i was like no Joe Staley is a 10 out of 10 karaoke star.

59:44He knows every song. Really? Oh, he's incredible. They sold it as a package that you could buy. It was like him singing karaoke with Joe Staley. It's amazing. Joe, okay. That's an awesome. Absolute monster. I didn't know this. Oh, yeah. He can sing. It's awesome. He's a performer. He gets the whole crowd into it. He knows what he's doing. Anyway, so we're at this bar. We're having a good time. I go to the bathroom. And it's one of those older college bar vibes. And so the bathroom, it's exactly what you think it looks like. like a rusty door that doesn't really close all that stuff. So like I'm peeing in the toilet in the stall and there's like another rookie in there in like in the other stall.

1:00:18And I just hear the door gets kicked open. And then Joe Staley just goes, what do you guys got to lose? I got to go. And I'm like, well, and he, he literally, he just takes the door off into my stall and he goes, he's either he was killed, get out or move over. And I said, I'll move over Mr. Joe Staley. and so that was my i was like oh i think he likes towards action so that was it's a totally normal thing as a guy for everybody listening that's a totally normal thing no one's so i was terrified that was like my second week on the niners and so i was pretty happy about that one on the field my first game ever as a rookie was against the panthers when they had cam newton greg olson chris mccaffrey's a rookie and julius peppers and so like i go off my first warm-up ever in Levi's Stadium and Cam Newton's just standing in our end zone, like in our fucking tunnel.

1:01:10And he's 6 '6", 250. I'm just like, I'm like, buddy. That motherfucker's enormous impasse, dude. I'm like, dude, I'm supposed to block for guys like you and you could just kill me. And so that freaked me out. And then my first, I think one of my first three plays out of one-on-one pass bro against Julius Peppers. and all I was trying to do was not piss him off because he had like the visor, everything. Oh, yeah. Very intimidating. My eye sensor. Oh, I was just sitting there. He had a deep voice. Julius Peppers. Dude, he was so scary. I had my first play against him, I had to cut him off and he like just grabbed me and threw me to the ground.

1:01:51I was like, okay, all right, sure. And then I had a one-on-one pass throw from him and I blocked him actually. And as like the play is going on, I'm just like, I played with you in Madden 2006. This is insane. And I'm just sitting there just trying not to shit my pants. I couldn't believe I was playing in the NFL. But that was pretty fun. Those are some good ones. Those are some great ones. Some of my favorite ones, dude. God damn, that's hilarious. I think you guys should ask for an off the field. Welcome to the NFL moment. I like the off the field because you're right. It's very unique. I think most rookie wide receivers would tell you that it's their rookie dinner because that's always outrageously expensive.

1:02:29but you know i think other guys would have some pretty good stories dude thank you so much for the time the stories thank you for being the people's tight end and and being the front runner for the position dog we fucking love you bro and uh good luck this year dog keep getting healthy and we'll see you out on the gridiron brother i'm just happy i finally got to be a part of the podcast it's only been like three years oh man it's been far too long man fuck i'm the worst i'm sending that it's an honor it's like oh embarrasses ask my friends i you're not Yeah, we all love you. It's okay. You're very lovable.

1:03:00You guys are fantastic. I'll see you guys soon. All righty. Thank you to George Kittle once again. Did not disappoint. He peep. Jorge, dude. I'll tell you what. The guy's just fucking electric, man. He really is. You can tell the story with the best of them. He remembers every fucking thing that happens, which is a talent with how much that guy fucking blocks in the NFL. It is. I really enjoyed. you can tell he's just genuinely a fan of football and he comes he comes across that way in the way he plays the game he comes across that way in the energy and excitement he goes about everything with but just you know bringing up the like uh i can't remember the guy's name that had the Dallas shirt on beginning how big of a fan he was a guys when he first came into the league with his welcome to the nfl moment you could tell he just loves football and dude it's just something about talking to football guys that love the sport love being around other football guys and george is one of the best football players of our generation undeniably and a guy that loves the game so very much enjoyed talking to you george once again that conversation is brought to you by mento's gum thank you to our sponsor colgate total remember when we were younger and thought uh stretching was optional yeah now if i don't stretch i'm feeling like something's gonna pull walking to the fridge.

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1:04:56That's right, cavities for sure. And also gingivitis. It helps prevent oral health problems like these before they even start when you use it twice a day. Sounds pretty sweet. I'm locked in on this. It's way better to prevent the problem than try to fix it later. That's right. And that's exactly what Colgate Total does. Get Colgate Total on Amazon today. Thank you to our sponsor, Allstate. Checking Allstate first. That could save you hundreds on car insurance. Not checking who's on the group text before hitting send. Who made that mistake before? Whoops. Yeah, checking first is a good idea. So check Allstate first for an auto quote.

1:05:35I could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate. Potential savings vary. Subject to terms, conditions, and availability. Allstate North America Insurance Co. and affiliates Northbrook, Illinois. Now that that is in the books, though, we will get to perhaps the next generation's greatest tight end. Let's get into some of the tight end you recap. And we're going to see what the interns did down in Nashville for tight end you. Let's see what the boys got up to down there in Nash, Vegas. This tight end you recap is brought to you by Reese's. That's right, boys. We tight end you'd. We tight end you'd.

1:06:12and I came back with the shiny shirt that I will ever own. We tied in to you. Thank you to our friends at Reese's. We tied in to you. Jake, how was it? How would you describe? It was our first time there. How would you describe your first time at tight in you? Tight in you is awesome, man. It's sick. It is so much sick. Don't let anybody lie to you. It is a blast. I totally understand why they do it. I get it. And why making it bigger and bigger every year. I understand why it grows every year. I understand why people keep going. I get it now. I've been people have asked me like how was it and I keep describing it as like have you ever seen when they have like golden retriever beach days and they just put like it's just unleashed they're like ball ball water ball sand dig hole like that is every dude's personality there and it's so much fun to hang out with them.

1:06:57It was so cool. And as two of the least tight end people on the planet to let's I'm a glue guy. I'm a glue guy. No, no, no. The physical traits are not. Yes. In terms of just physically size. Mentality wise, I'm there, but no, I'm not. We're tight ends at heart, but we're not tight ends on the field to be included in something like that was like so insanely special. uh and it was just it was it was awesome from from day one should we go through day by day okay so yeah let's go let's go chronologically chronologically chronologically how do the guys usually podcast for this long jesus christ this is hard it's crazy i hate talking we got there we got invited to a gifting suite which just like that sentence coming out of my mouth is unbelievable we don't belong at a gifting suite let me be very clear to you i've never heard those words before they're like do you want to see the reese's wall and i'm like hell yeah i want to see the Reese's wall.

1:07:50Absolutely. More Reese's than I've ever seen in my entire life. Every variety. And you have to like pick the amount that doesn't make you seem insane. So we took like a tasteful amount of Reese's off the Reese's wall, which I still have a lot of them, but. Dude, I am flying through the Reese's. It is the, the family back home is, is doing well with the Reese's. I'm saving them. I ran out of sticks already and I'm kind of pissed at myself, but that was a decision. I made it like 2am. The take fives did not make it off the plane. We did the Reese's gifting suite on the first day second day was on the field with everybody which it's like one thing to watch an nfl game it's another to be like field level with these like giants as they run and cut and move and jump and you realize oh they're like different than us you get it like you're like oh these guys are all freaks and we did promise that we would try and do the gauntlet we didn't get the opportunity to do the gauntlet but as some of you may have seen on the internet already we did try several drills reaction reaction reaction which uh is way harder than it looks it's so hard don't love a lot of the feedback we got on that be very clear don't love a lot of comments we can knock that off that's bullying don't love that i'm sorry i don't have an eight foot wingspan yeah sorry i'm not kyle pitts like i'm sorry if i was do you think i'd be a podcast intern no thank you i think we did above average well we did it later with jason and kylie down at the shore and they did worse than us so exactly there you go especially kylie sorry kylie especially kylie sorry uh she she went i can't believe you posted that you're kind of a dick it's just me doing my job watching them do stuff on the field was great watching them do drills watching them talk through things like footwork and hip placement the little minute details that i don't think you kind of grasp when you watch an nfl game it's very fun to hear them all talk about that in person i will say dallas clark might have a lot of reps left in him dallas clark could get out there that That was eye-opening.

1:09:39He could probably start for at least 10 teams right now. He looked great, and I was having a blast watching him. It took us a little while to figure out who he was. He was that really in shape guy. Yeah, he's just – who's the guy leading all the drills? Yeah, who's the fastest guy out there? That's Dallas Clark. Excuse me, he's retired for how long? Jake, who was your favorite dude? It was a dude-heavy event. Who was your favorite dude at Titan U? So, I mean, it was really cool getting to, like you said, see all these guys on the field. I'll work up to it, but it would feel weird not to start with some of the tight ends.

1:10:16Go ahead. First off, Greg and George, like Greg is just the nicest dude on the planet. The nicest human being. And the thing Greg kept doing was showing up places where we needed help and Greg would just appear out of nowhere. Like first day, he's like, you guys looking for the gifting suite? And we're like, yes, Greg Olson, we are. If you needed a direction, Greg Olson had you. He's like, it's up on the eighth floor. Enjoy yourselves. And we're like, thanks, Greg. And then the next day we were like wandering around trying to find where we go at the concert. And he's like, are you guys looking for the front of the stage?

1:10:46What you want to do is head to those double doors, hang a left. When you see the bar, go right. And it's going to be past another little gate on your other right. And we're like, Jesus, Greg, can you be around me at all times? He was so awesome. He's one of my MVPs of the week. Yeah. George, another MVP. George. Life of the party everywhere. You guys all just watched the George interview. So George, he's just like that at all times. He is at a 12, and you can't help but be there with him. It's the best energy. George, awesome MVP. My dude of the week, and it's weird it's not a tight end, but it's Mac Jones.

1:11:20Mac Jones. Dude of the week, Mac Jones. Mac Jones was having the most fun out of anyone anywhere. I think he had the most fun at tight end you. You've seen the videos. That man is having a blast just throwing the ball to these guys. He was just out there living his best life, hanging out with the boys. Like, you know, when when I saw Mac Jones, it made me realize like, oh, the dude with the cigar at Alabama, like he is just a guy's guy. And like you should it should have been obvious, but it became more obvious once we got to like see him in his element. He was awesome. I get it. I get it now, Mac Jones.

1:11:59I totally get it now. Mac Jones rules. Yeah. Mac Jones due to the week. Probably like also. Well, OK, Travis was cool. It's cool seeing Travis. That's our work friend. We see him all the time. Mac Jones was a delight, an absolute delight. Infectious energy on Mac Jones. If we're going to talk about Travis, the coolest thing about this year's tight end you was it was the first year of like open practice where the public could come out. And, you know, obviously there's a lot of support for George. He's, you know, got family in Nashville and all that stuff. But the 92 percenters showed it out. A lot of 92 percenters and Chiefs fans there.

1:12:31Heavily represented. That one lady had his rookie card to sign. That one lady got him to sign the rookie card. She was like, this is all I want. She was like, can he sign nope on this? And I think he just signed it. But she was like, is it OK if I ask? I'm like, you can ask. I have no idea how it's going to happen. Historically, that card has not been beloved on this podcast. But go for it. It was really cool to see all the 92 percenters out there who were like, yes, saying hi to us, which is always like insane. I got a fresh crop of bracelets. I got a fresh crop. Thank you. Everybody who handed me one, I took them.

1:13:00They're home with me. I'll figure out what I'm doing with them, but always nice to get a fresh supply of friendship bracelets. And also like seeing Travis in his element, you mentioned this earlier, but we got to see him do like the breakdown where he was talking about. His thing was like, you know, there was the film room clip that came out later, which we didn't get to see because that was like when they were all in the classroom. We got to go on the field. We got to get in the film. We got to break down some tape. But seeing him on the field talk about the intricacies of like where how he needs to like lead with this foot and where he's watching the shoulders and all.

1:13:33It's it's a savant like it's a savant at work. And seeing that is really cool. It was really cool seeing them talk about such a specific position and how they all operate doing doing the same thing, but differently. Also, Travis was signing autographs and looked over just as I started catching reaction things. so that was perfectly timed he didn't see at all how bad i did so that's i'm fine with that he did not notice it's fine we don't need to show that clip at all he thinks i'm a star athlete now so that's great no tight end you sick and if you have the opportunity or in the nashville area the open practices are a lot of fun should we get to what everyone everyone wants us to talk about what else happened there i tied in you is there anything else well it was nashville so we got to see some live music we know anybody it was awesome it was yeah no it's sick i don't i don't know if you fucking hate us i get it like i get it i get this whole segment you probably are like just drawing x's on our eyes and i totally understand it we we are we deserve that uh no it was sick we saw taylor perform sick jake almost i was this is a little behind the scenes story jake almost missed it to go to the bathroom i really almost missed it yeah i like as as the concert was like wrapping up i didn't quite realize that it was wrapping up to be like well we think something's happening and then and then lanny wilson kind of like starts wrapping it up and jake's like i gotta go pee i gotta get out of here he's like 20 feet away when she's like starting to wind up on on taylor coming out and i like there's this huge roar of people and then i see just like sprinting on his heels and come sprinting back i'm like did you make it didn't even make it to the bathroom had to hold it the whole time which is why i was oh the whole three-minute song i think you did okay I think you did okay.

1:15:12For a while, but it was incredible. It was really like, I get it, you know? Like, it's unbelievable. It's great. It was a lot of fun. The roar of that crowd, like, it was, I've never heard anything like it. Like, it's not that big of a venue. I don't know, it's a couple thousand people, right? Maybe, if not less. But, like, it was like a jet took off behind me. And I was like, holy shit. But it was a lot of fun. I'll say this. I don't know if we cut this or not. But I did my favorite thing to do with Travis sometimes is like come up to him very seriously and be like, I don't know, man. So I saw him afterwards and I was like, you know, I think if she sticks with it, she might have something with this music.

1:15:52And he told me to shut the fuck up, which is fair. Totally fair. It was awesome. I did get a black cowboy hat, which I think I left at the Cain Brown bar. So if anyone sees that, please get it back to me. but I did feel a little bit like we had in Nashville, Tennessee at the cane. It's mine. It belongs to Jets, Jake, and he'd like it back. I did feel a little bit like the study abroad student who goes away and like comes back with an accent. Like I was very much in my, quick and I was like, I don't know, Jake. That was in my country element, but it was, you look good in it though. I'll say that you pulled it off.

1:16:27I thought I was a little skeptical when you first walked over to that table and then you came back with it and I was jealous, but then I also realized I had no room for it in my bags. So I, I didn't either. I will cowboy hat another time. It's like that scene from Mean Girls where it's like Katie wear army pants and flip-flops. So I got like I saw Travis have a cowboy hat. Both of us couldn't. You and I can't. We have to coordinate. We match too much already. It's really sickening when we do. We're even more obnoxious when we dress in the same New Heights merch. So I was like the cowboy hat can be your thing for this weekend.

1:16:54I'll go. I'll go baseball cap. That's fine. Titan. You was a blast. Shout out Reese's twist our arms. We'll go back next year. Guys. Anytime. Any. I mean, it'll be. I'll check with my people. if I have room in my schedule now as a certified influencer, I guess. But it was a lot of fun. And if you have the opportunity to attend any of their open practices, I would highly recommend it next year. Shout out to George. Claire does a lot of work. I know Claire did a lot of work. Greg, Travis, thank you guys for putting on this event. And Reese's, thank you for being like, I don't know, send those two idiots.

1:17:29We had a blast. We had a blast. Thank you guys so much. Let's shout out. No, we also – I don't know. Everybody knows we went down to the shore afterwards. So I do want to shout out Kylie and everybody at Eagles Autism. I think they raised like$1.25 million this year. So it's cool to do those events back-to-back. It was like two Christmases. It was very fun for us. It's the best week of the year for us by far and, you know, historically – like really. Historically, you know, we haven't been able to make it to tight end you. And so being able to go this year just – It was sick. It was incredible.

1:18:01It was a marathon, but we're going to do it again next year. It was a marathon. Brandon literally reenacted the Popeye's worker meme by the end of, uh, we were, we were wiped, but I mean, both of them are just, you see the community come out to support a really cool thing in, in both aspects. That's, that's honestly the best part of all this stuff is like getting to meet people in person. It's just such a different like vibe and reaction than seeing tweets or comments, whatever. Those are all very lovely and nice, but like meeting people in person like we we love seeing people we love seeing 92 percenters out there and you know we're still getting used to like hearing people yell at us uh if i i always react like a fucking squirrel caught in the street so please don't be alarmed if i don't know why you're screaming at me but a lot of fun love seeing you guys i guess that's it we can toss it back to the guys do we do we want to hint at what's coming up for the rest of the season of new heights i feel like we but we we should say because obviously we're we'll peek behind the curtain we're taping this after we had taped the first part of this episode.

1:19:01It's true. We might have a big surprise for you guys. We might have gotten a chance to talk to somebody that we have absolutely no business. Like absolutely zero business talking to this person. Incredible. They found time for us. We also have incredible guests for the finale. Yeah. Incredible guests for the finale. I've been trying to get this guy on for a while. Finally got him. We have a lot of good stuff ready for you guys. So just wait. Just wait. Let you know. what you know and now what toss it back to you back to jason and travis back to jason and travis thank you reese's once again that tight end you recap was brought to you by reese's man i hope you guys enjoyed that one and brandon and jake i hope you guys enjoyed a little bit of that tight end you action uh i know i always have fun and um hopefully you guys do too uh just like the tight ends are the ultimate combo of blocking and catching reese's is the perfect combination of peanut butter and chocolate.

1:19:58That's right. The tight end of candies. Very well done. Very well done. All right. That wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you to George Kittle, the one and only people's tight end. And thank you to everyone at tight end, you for putting up with Jake and Brandon. We will be back next week with the season finale of season four of New Heights. Once again, New Heights, a wondrous show brought to you by Expedia, the place you go to go places, people. Thanks to the New Heights production team for always making us look way better than what we are. Don't forget to follow the show on all social media at new heights show with one S for fun clips throughout the week.

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