Jim Nantz on The Masters, John Daly's Guide to Life, Moon Eras, TikTok Algorithms & More | Ep 186

26:44So I got up there with the Lamar Hunt trophy, and I've got Clark Hunt, and I've got Andy over here, and I got Patrick, and you're on the outside of Patrick, and they're telling me, We've got to get through this, make it really fast. No follow-up questions, just one question to the coach and one question to Pat, we're out of here. And we've got to get up there. They've got to get to this programming while the audience is sizable. Kind of giving them a little nod. They know that's for them. And Patrick answers a question, and I'm looking at you as he's answering it, letting you know I'm coming to you next.

27:18And they're saying in my ear, do not, do not go another question. So I said, hey, before we go, Travis, come over here real quick. Congratulations. And this was the first time you went on the you've got to fight for your right to party. But the F in fight dragged on so long. I'll tell you what. It's been seven years coming, baby. I learned one thing since I've been here. You got to fight for your right to party. And I thought, not only have I been guilty of insubordination, I've just walked into an F-bomb on the CBS television network, maybe. And I was so relieved that the word came out with an F-I instead of an F-whatever.

28:17And it was, you got to fight for your right to party. And I said, you got to, we're out of here. James Brown back to you and you made the whole thing sing.

28:25Jason Kelce:That's awesome. I remember the other one was the Cincinnati mayor. Oh, yeah. I brought you in and you said, hey, you big jabroni.

28:39Shut your mouth, you big jabroni. The Cincinnati mayor. Know your role and shut your mouth, baby. Shout out to The Rock. Yeah. I have to admit, Jason, I wasn't sure what a jabroni was at the time.

28:52Jason Kelce:This isn't good. You had to be late 90s, early 2000s wrestling fan to know that one. It was perfect. I've been known through my friend's parents as the worst influence on my friends because of insubordination. So thank you for trusting me on the stage with a mic. You dragged me into that too. Friends and subordination. That's good. I'm happy to have that title. Do you ever find yourself, because we've all, when we were growing up or playing certain sports, you almost comment the game to yourself, right? Like I remember playing basketball in the backyard. I'm like, all right, there's 10 seconds left.

29:27Jason Kelce:Five, four, and he's hit it. He's hit the game. When you're playing golf, are you ever calling the game to yourself? Is that where you're – are you that into it? This is hilarious. Not now. Not now, but I will call shots of the people I'm playing with. Oh, yeah, we've seen those. For whatever reason, I get such a charge out of it. But the other day I was playing, I was down here at Troubadour in Tennessee and was there with Luke Ryan and Golden Tate. And they said, hey, would you mind? So I did it. It ended up on Instagram. Oh, yeah. I just, which I'm fine with. I think every kid had those voices in their head, Jace.

30:10I think we all put ourselves in that arena where the world was watching us and we're trying to figure out what that would feel like. And I think, like, take the Masters field this week. Every single one of those players, Scotty Scheffler, Rory, all of them, Bryson, I guarantee you that as young kids, they stood over four-footers on a practice putting green over and over again, obsessing with what that moment would be like, and they had someone doing the commentary in their head, saying this is to win the Masters tournament. I know I did. But no more. Now, I sometimes will do it because my game has fallen off a cliff.

30:52And to try to bring a little laughter and lower expectations, I will, when just playing with some buddies or people for the first time, I'll walk up to the shot and I'll say, now Nance, looking down that right side of the fairway, Trevor, it looks like he's going to rip driver. I'm just trying to take the pressure off a shot that's destined to rope hook out of bounds or vomit right out of bounds. And I think those voices are real for anybody that's competed at a high level. You called your first masters at 26 years old. I cannot fathom that. I was just trying to be professional and you were like the peak of like a professional at 26 years old.

31:34How did that feel? Well, truth is I was scared out of my mind. And now all these years later. I'm 66, and this will be number 41, which will be the new record. I came into the week with 40. That's my baby. With the great Vern Lundquist, we both have done 40. This will be my 41st. Not that anybody cares about those records, but when they entrusted me, I truly thought CBS had lost its mind. Don't you guys realize I was living in a dormitory just a few years ago on the University of Houston campus? What am I doing here? This is nuts. But of course, I acted like there's no big deal. No big deal. You may not know this, but Freddie Couples and I shared a dorm room at Houston.

32:21And so, you know, he was a great help to me on the mental side of this because he was already on the tour. He just kept telling me when I first started at CBS, just keep what I do is that just keep saying like a broken record. It's no big deal. It's no big deal. It's no big deal. And I got that from Fred. I got that actually when I went to New York to audition for the job. And Fred happened to be staying at my house at the time. How cool is this? You know, Freddie's getting back into the field, of course, as a past champion. And I trust you guys are just barely old enough to appreciate the greatness of Fred and how cool he was on a golf course.

32:59Oh, come on. Smoothest swing in the world. Yeah.

33:01Jason Kelce:I could watch him warm up all day. Coolest guy of all time. And when we arrived on the Houston campus as two of the seven freshmen for Dave Williams and his legendary golf program, which won 13 national championships, I had nothing to do with that, by the way, but I was a part of it. I lettered. But he had the freshmen come in and introduce one another, just breaking the ice. And he said, guys, I want you to stand up. Boys, stand up and just give me basically name, rank, and serial number and what your goal is in your life. And I was not overconfident, but I just said, I'm Jim Nance. My goal in life is to one day work for CBS.

33:42I want to broadcast a Masters tournament. What? That was always my goal. And I love Byloid Paragraphic too. Driven by that. Obsessed with that idea because I love the way they broadcast the NFL. Some are all at Madden. Some are all at Brookshire. That was my network. But I love the way they presented the Masters and the NFL. So anyway, that was my declaration. The fourth guy down stood bashfully and said, I'm Fred Couples, or I'm from Seattle, Washington, and one day I want to win the Masters. And do you know, we ended up in a stinking dorm suite. The coach was a genius. We had Blaine McAllister in our dorm, roomed with Blaine, one of my all-time closest friends.

34:24He won five tour events. and John Horn, who played on the tour a couple of years. So the four of us were roommates all through school. And, you know, we got to sit there and talk about a dream that had the same landing spot, Butler Cabin. Fred wanted to win it. I wanted to be in that cabin to present it. And as weird as this sounds, I don't know if this is the kind of hijinks you guys were up to at Greenwood Heights High School. but we didn't practice the green jacket ceremony when we were kids in college of course that's so fucking cool man hell yeah and lo and behold in 1992 freddie won the masters and i was there to do the interview and present the green jacket so i'm getting chills man i had no idea dude strong testament to how dreams can come true you got to dream big for them to come true speak it into existence we'll be rooting for him over there i'll give him some extra mojo off the T, baby.

35:21I'll be right there rooting them on, man, on Friday. Hell yeah.

35:25Jason Kelce:Of all the big events you call over, you talk about the Masters. What are the other, what are the biggest events you've been a part of at CBS that you just, like, think back in your career? You know, I've been part of the CBS golf teams, like I said, for over 40 years now, and I called 32 national championship games in college basketball. Oh, yeah. So, watching the action from Indianapolis this week, I mean, I just love it. I don't miss it, and I I don't say that as any sour grapes. I needed time with my kids. And I gave it up in 2023, my own choosing, because basically the hamster wheel, and I called it the golden hamster wheel, never ended.

36:01I was on 48 weeks a year. You know, golf, the championship game would be played on Monday night, and I was on a flight that night into Augusta and switching gears after calling 15 games in the month of March. I just love being a part of the tournament, to be able to see everything from the Fab Five through Coach K's, all the Coach K's five championships, UConn's program coming from nowhere to now being a dominant power, and on and on. Roy Williams, North Carolina, his time at Kansas, worked with Billy Packer for 18 years, and then, of course, Clark Kellogg, Bill Raftery, Grant Hill. It was a joy, man.

36:41It was an absolute joy ride. Then the NFL, working now with Romo, we're going in our 10th year this year. Love Tony. We have so much fun together. He's one of a kind, and that's what makes him special, is that you don't want everybody to be the same just flat X's and O's guy. He's a big kid who expresses himself as such on the air, and I find that very appealing and very authentic. He makes it fun, man. Worked with Phil Simms for a long time before that. I hosted two Super Bowls, and I've called seven. So those are the main parts. We've had Olympic Games. We've had all these different sports. I called the U.S.

37:22Open tennis for years. But my primaries were always golf, the NFL, and college basketball. When I started basketball, I got asked at a news conference in New York. I was assuming the role from Brent Musburger. I was asked, do you think you'll ever be able to approach the record for longevity, for play-by-play? And I said, what's the number? And they said six. And now these are some names from your past, even before you. But Kurt Gowdy, Dick Enberg, and Brent had all called six apiece. And I thought, if I could ever get to six, that would be amazing. I got to 32. I got to 32. I want to put that record away, okay?

38:06No, it was a gift. I'm glad that CBS wanted me to do it for that many years. I'm glad I could say when I needed to step down from it and get a few more weeks at home. But all of it's been that childhood dream. You know what that's about. It still burns deep in the heart. It never goes away. Well, we appreciate you for jumping on that golden hamster wheel and taking us for a ride with you, man. More than anything, if I had to write the end of the script, I love the NFL. and I love being able to have the chance to do it for a few more years. But someday, as you approach 70, you're going to have to back off a little bit more.

38:44And I would like to do 51 Masters tournaments.

38:47Jason Kelce:Holy cow. That sounds like a crazy number. It used to be 50. I wanted to be able to say I did 50 Masters because, again, that's that little boy still speaking inside of my head. And I mentioned that at an awards event out in California, and this broadcaster of yesteryear, one of the greats of all time, Jack Whitaker, had introduced me. And he said, I heard you say you want to do 50 Masters. I said, yeah. He said, you need to do 51. I said, why is that? He says, if you do the math, your 51st Masters 2036 would be the 100th playing in the Masters. He said, you need to be there for that. And he said something very nice.

39:28He said, and I think Augustine needs you to be there for that, to usher out the first century and bring in the next. So that's kind of been everything that I've thought about for a long time. So I didn't come on your show to announce my retirement on April 14, 2036. We're kind of working that way.

39:48Jason Kelce:I love it. I love it. You get the opportunity to, man. We'll be at the 51st Eric in the masses for you, brother. We'd be honored. You got to fight for your right to party.

40:01Do you have any personal Mount Rushmore of Masters moments? You got any like top tier, the ones that stand out to you the most? Yeah, I do. And I'm going to put the Freddie win in 92 in a special box over here. That was really personal because that's again, that's like Hollywood make believe fantasy stuff that two kids could practice that scene. of the green jacket presentation and actually have to do it for real. That was choking my guts out. And so was he. We barely could get the words out. That was a watershed moment for me. I really, truly feared if I could emotionally hold up for that. But we both did.

40:39And I was able to get us off the air clean. And yeah, that one's in its own category. But I've got three. One would be Jack Nichols, 1986, my first. Now, you guys weren't around to see it. Oh, I know it. Oh, I know it. It was him, the shark, and... Seve, Seve, Tom Tite, Tom Watson, Bernhard Langer. I mean, it was a load of Corey Pavin. They were all jockeying. Greg Norman, like you said, they were all in the mix. And that's when you mentioned it earlier. I was just a young kid. Chill bumps up and down my arms. My teeth were chattering. Jack made a pivotal birdie on my hole the 16th. and I uttered the words, the bear has come out of hibernation.

41:24I did not know where that line came from. I truly thought I'm incapable of coming up with that narrative, that clip, that caption. And I began to have doubt in my head as the broadcast continued, because we still had Seve to come through. Norman Jack had gone out way ahead of them. And I began to think I just plagiarized a remark someone else had said earlier in the show. We had announcers from 10 in. So I thought, well, maybe someone down there at AMN Corner said no one had, as it turns out. Ohio ball player, man. Shout out to Jack. To debut with Jack was crazy. And then I will go Tiger, 97. Not that it was competitive.

42:06Now, I know you boys remember that one. I called that one. I was at the 18th by then. And I called it a win for the ages. That was one of my lines. Jason, you asked me about this earlier. That line I had pre-planned. He had a six-shot lead going into Sunday, and he was running away from the field. And I knew that clip was going to have the narrative played with it. Forever. Forever. There's a permanence to it. It's going to be a couple hundred years from now when they come on the air with the Masters and they do the montage. That clip of Tiger winning in 97 will be on there. 100%. Dragged into history with it is the little narrative.

42:54There it is. A win for the ages. So I thought about that a lot the night before. I knew it had to be short. I knew it had to, like, match up with the moment in a historical sense. And I'm really happy that was the line that we landed on. But after that, on that short list, Travis, would be Tiger again in 2019. Full circle. When he was given up for not being competitive again, and it came full circle. And now he's hugging his kids behind the 18th green, basically on the same spot where his dad had embraced him 22 years earlier. So beautiful, man. Now, that's what we are. We're storytellers. We're not we're not spewing stats.

43:38We're trying to tell people what's inside of their hearts and what this moment contextually means. And I happen to be at both of those. I call that one the return to glory because his kids had never seen him be the champion golfer that he that he was like we knew him. And I saw them behind the 18th green. I was told earlier today they were not on property, but they were. And I just thought, what a gift to have them see their father, you know, have this encore performance. And I just kept thinking of the word glory as this was all playing out. And when he knocked in the last putt, I just said, not with a lot of exclamation, almost soulful, because he had been through the long road back.

44:21And I just said, return to glory. It felt like it matched that moment. But I was on that short list. And the last one I would say would be Rory last year. The career grand slam. The ups and downs, the wild odyssey ride he put us on Sunday when he won it, lost it, double bogeyed the first hole, nearly shanked it at 13. Like, what's going on here? And then to rally and win in the playoff over Rosie. Rosie, man. Storybook stuff. Those are four iconic. Absolutely iconic. I think the 86 one came across my Instagram feed the other day, and there was a moment where the shark, Norman, is just taking the deepest breath on 18 before his approach shot.

45:09And you could tell, man, that there's nothing like that tournament.

45:12Jason Kelce:You're incredible at what you do, Jim, and that's why you get asked to do all these things. And that's why people remember you and have such affection for you because you're remarkable. You're the best play-by-play person of this generation. I was thinking about this at the Easter service this week. You know, you do at times, no matter who you are, particularly when you're a performer and you guys are performers, you have all kinds of things that can work against you. You know that. You have doubters. Like we all have enough doubt to deal with on our own. But you have people that are second-guessers, who are critics, who don't understand how hard it is to perform on a moment's notice.

45:54you're trying your best and sometimes we fail sometimes the words come out upside down or you don't capture something quite crystal clear as you should but everybody's got an opinion and you know you learn how to deal with that noise yeah yeah i know we all make it because it's personal so we feel like there are a lot of people at times against us and it's not reality no it's is sometimes these louder voices that are maybe on social media or just plainly in the media you know we deal with media too we got all kinds of television critics out there whether they're social uh or whether they're in electronic or print whatever but yeah you learn to deal with it and like you know as a little kid i never thought about i'm gonna have to like have people that are telling me i'm not any good or somebody's better and i never thought about that i was thinking about playing.

46:51I didn't realize there'd be that noise. And there is a learning curve for that. And, you know, I'm, listen, I've had to deal with it for 40 years and I think I've handled it well. And just, I've tried my best to be the person that I am and not let that sully what otherwise has been a dream life. And you guys, I hope realize that same thing, whatever noise you hear, it's insignificant oh yeah it's all it all goes away and you know when when when life goes on and you guys get to be my age and older and you're still going to be doing whatever you you're doing i'm sure at a very high level that bust is going to be sitting there in canton long past you both as you know being on the planet if that bust is going to be there The criticism or the noise, that's all immaterial.

47:46It's history. You built a life in other realms too. Your families. Look what you've done to make your family proud. I get the biggest rise out of seeing how much your parents enjoy what you both are doing and how you both have supported one another. That's where I'm coming from. I appreciate that. Family to me, it's everything. I was playing a video the other day. My kids were young. And I'm way off on a tangent here. I love it, though. This is good stuff. Yeah, please keep going. I was telling my kids about something. It was from four years ago, and I was three years ago. And I said, family is love, and love is family.

48:33And if you're surrounded, you understand the world is like that. And I think you guys do. I mean, I see it from the outside. I see that love in your own circles. Oh, yeah.

48:44Jason Kelce:Yes. Jason, the amazing life that you and your family have built. Travis, what you're building and starting right there with your mom and dad and what you've done to make Cleveland, specifically Cleveland Heights, proud. That love, man, that nurturing got you to where you are. I had the same thing. It's the best. Hello, friends. I want my dad to hear me. He's been gone 18 years. I got chills right now thinking about it. I just want to make him proud. And that's when I say my feet hit the floor in the morning and I have gone through my ritual. One of those things with gratitude is just saying I want to make people proud.

49:31It's the best. And I'm going into Augusta this week. I'm going to give it my all. Oh, you're going to make everyone proud. And I just hope I can make people proud. The people that are my family, who I love and love as family. Well, make sure I come up to you and pinch you so you know you're not dreaming, big guy. I know it's when it comes and pinches me from behind. I won't even have to turn around and look. I know it's you. When I'm playing in a big game, win or loss, you know, Jason's been at a lot of the big games. My family has been at, you know, every big game in my life. And those moments where you come out of that game and you see the ones that are there to support you, you see the ones that are that have been on this journey with you your entire life.

50:11And you see, you know, where it's gotten to. It's the most beautiful thing that that I could have ever asked for in my life is the fact that I have that much support from family and friends. And I remember the funniest one was coming up from that Buffalo game where Jason jumped out of the suite and jumped back in the suite. I come up to the suite at the end of the game to celebrate my friends and family. And Jason has his shirt off still. Tony and I covered that game. Of course. You know it very well. Yeah. You caught a couple of Tunnies. You're right there in that end zone. You caught one. You looked up at him.

50:47But knowing you got that much support and you make your family and your loved ones that much, that happy when they're, when you're playing and they get that much excitement out of seeing you doing what you love the most. It's the, it's the best man. And I hear you on that, man, the gratitude and getting to be able to do what we love and all that makes it all worth it, man. You know, the odds for what you guys have accomplished, just that's again, that gets back to that whole pinch me thing. But the odds of even being able to make it to the NFL. I mean, everybody thinks that plays it at Division One level thinks it's going to happen.

51:25You couldn't tell me, Jason, that. even with the one star connected to our names on all the high school recruiting i didn't even have

51:34Jason Kelce:a star zero stars i had the the picture of me was that black silhouette you know what i mean it is a pinch me moment whenever we look back at that and you know our families have been so uniquely blessed to share and all these experiences together um and then to make other families along the way and all the friends and not like anything else like you always accomplish things through the help and guidance with other people and the teams we've been on, the coaches we've been, we've had along the way. You mentioned something earlier, Jim, about people infusing belief. And I've said this before. I think belief is the greatest thing you can give another human being for exactly what you're saying.

52:13Jason Kelce:There's so much, you know, in your own head that you can build up with doubt and nerves and things. When somebody gives you that gift, it just, it gives you the power to overcome the, all of the little things that really don't mean anything. And I just love that so much. I do want to ask you, do you have a welcome to broadcasting moment? You talked about the nerves of that first Masters at 26 years old. Is there something that happened maybe young in your career that was like, all right, I'm finally doing this thing? Well, before I got to CBS, I was on the Houston golf team, But I was not as passionate about trying to be a professional golfer, nor did I have the skill level nowhere close.

53:01As I was, the boyhood dream was the broadcasting thing. But I started working in the business when I was 20 for the CBS affiliate in Houston, the fourth largest market in the country. I was the weekend fill-in sports anchor, but it amounted to a lot of anchoring the sports broadcast on the 10 or 11 o 'clock news, whichever time zone you're in, you know what I'm talking about. And I was still living in the dorms. And so I was still living with all my golf guys I mentioned before. And that was – I knew that I was, as far as where I am with my age group, being on a CBS station at 20 while you're still in college was rare.

53:45I was very fortunate. But then, upon graduation, I got an opportunity to be hired by the CBS affiliate in Salt Lake City at KSL. And with that, I got to do the Utah Jazz game. So I was 23, and I was in the NBA, calling NBA, and I was the play-by-play announcer for BYU. The Cougs! Yeah. They won the national championship in 1984, and I was doing their games with Steve Young. Oh, my gosh. Who had graduated a couple years before and was playing in the USFL for the LA Express.

54:24Jason Kelce:Oh, my gosh. So we're doing a game in Provo, and the booth where we broadcast from at Cougar Stadium was so small, they had us record our on-camera opening on the field. So we knocked that out. We jumped in the press elevator for the start of the show a few minutes later, and the elevator blew a fuse. And for a quarter and a half, the elevator didn't move. Oh, my. Are you kidding me? Meanwhile, the game goes on. The show goes on. They ran a scroll at the bottom of the screen that says we are experiencing audio difficulties. Yeah, you have no announcers. That's an audio difficulty. That's quite the difficulty.

55:05Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, just randomly blew a fuse, and then it started back up, and we rejoined the broadcast with about six minutes to go and a half. That was a terrifying moment. I can remember, if you talk to Steve ever about it to this day, you know, we were starting to get claustrophobic, to say the least, and it was a tiny panel. You could knock it out. I could lift him up if we wanted to, and he could try to get out of the elevator shaft. We decided that was not a good idea. And I could have presented what later became a Hall of Fame career in San Francisco. But anyway, we had that moment.

55:40And then, lo and behold, after two years, two and a half years in Utah, I got a call from a producer at CBS named Ed Gorin, who later became the president of Fox Sports. Great friend of mine to this day. He said, we've been taping your shows for the last month, and you're one of five finalists for an opening at CBS Sports. I thought it was a prank call. I thought it was one of my comments buddies. They knew this was my goal. This can't be true. Come on. I said, come on, give it up. But the next day I was on a plane to New York, and I was auditioning in the CBS Broadcast Center against the likes of Roy Firestone, who was a famous broadcaster, had this up-close show on ESPN, the great James Brown.

56:23And I ended up winning the audition. And within a couple of weeks, I was on the air being introduced by Brent Musburger.

56:29Jason Kelce:holy cow well thank god that uh that elevator got working baby do you take the stairs now do you make sure that doesn't happen is it that is a fair question you are one of one brother i can't tell you what an honor it has been to listen to you share these stories what honor it's going to be to watch you do your 41st masters you've officially surpassed the amount of balls rory had to hit you're way past him congratulations we're all looking forward to it thank you for having me on I really truly I was so appreciative to get the invite to come on the week of the Masters. And it would mean a lot to me if even it was just a minute, if I had a chance to express how much I appreciate both of you in person and this particular podcast being a guest this week down in Augusta.

57:25Jason, good luck with that, by the way. I know you're going to be great. Have a wonderful time. I'm here. Anything I can do to help? Do you have any advice?

57:32Jason Kelce:Like, what's the advice here? I mean, it's my first time. I've been to. Define your role for me. It's going to be the interviewer. Interviewer of players and friends and family. I'm kind of going to be boots on the ground, just talking in between holes and stuff. There's two things you're going to focus on here. Okay. Virtually everybody in that field is going to have a caddy that's special to them. And more likely it's going to be a family member, a child, a daughter, or even a wife. So one is what was that experience like? Yep. And two is, how do you feel about your game going into the tournament?

58:06That's all you need to ask. Perfect. Now, maybe somebody knocks in a hole-in-one, and you might ask them about that. But I think people want to know what the week looks like for them and what that experience was like out on the par-3 tournament. It's unique. We don't see anything like that the rest of the year. You don't need to dig much deeper than that. This is a feel good event. And you're going to be the right guy to do that. I got a third one, Jason. Don't forget, keep your shirt on.

58:38Jason Kelce:Goes without saying, goes without saying. Yes, it's a classy event, Jason. Thank you so much for hopping on with us. Thank you, brothers. I appreciate you both. That dude was epic, man. The best. It's, I mean, the wisdom and like the emotion that he's, and the way he's able to tell a story. I feel so dumb trying to talk to him. Gosh, dang. He is the best though. And he mentioned the production meetings, even in the production meetings, like it's just, there's something about Jim that is just second to none. The way he, the way he articulates and listens, ask questions. It's like the elegance. I thought about that before with like a rich eyes and like talking to him, like some of these guys that just are so good on television.

59:20And they have a way of conversing and, you know, saying things, even just in regular, ordinary life.

59:29Jason Kelce:That just, it's incredible. It's awesome, man. And that was fucking a dream come true right there, man. Getting Jim Nance on this thing right before the Masters, man. Right before the Masters. Let's go, baby. Jason, can you do the honors? All righty, our guest today is a six-foot golfer out of Dardanelle, Arkansas. I believe that's right. He's the 1991 PGA Tour Rookie of the Year. He's got five PGA Tour wins, two-time major champion, and he won the 2021 PNC Championship with his son. And he was Travis Kelsey's co-star in Happy Gilmore 2. I wasn't a star. He was a star. He's here to grip it and rip it.

1:00:04Jason Kelce:Please welcome the one and only John fucking Danny, baby! John, how we doing, brother? Let's fucking go. As he cracks one, man. Oh, man. Where's the cowboy at? I can't find one else. That's what I love right there, man. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, brother. How we doing? Doing great. How you guys doing? Living the dream, baby. Doing good. Getting fired up. Living the dream. We traveled golfing this past week. We're getting geared up for the Masters. I'm sure you are as well. Where are you at right now? You're in your RV? Me and Honor, my girl, we left Sunday night from Upland, California. We're just outside of Tallahassee.

1:00:41We're almost home in Clearwater. Oh, nice, man. Nothing wrong with a little road trip, man. God, I haven't been on one of those in a while, man. Fucking love it, man. I was just up in Abandoned Dunes, actually, up in Northern, well, Oregon. Not necessarily North of Cal, but up in Oregon, man. And that's a little bit of a different place, man. The views out there are insane. But I'm not going to lie. I'm a bougie golfer now, man. I don't like to walk that much. I don't love walking that much. And that's a hell of a terrain, too. So I was kind of, that was a fucking workout, man. That's why I got ADA.

1:01:13My body's too screwed up to freaking walk anymore. so I'm going to enjoy the game with a golf cart. That's what I'm saying. They got to get some fucking golf carts out there, man.

1:01:24Jason Kelce:The Masters is coming up. This is amazing. The Masters is coming up. You got to come see me at Augusta. I'll be at the restaurant and bar called Top Dog. Ooh. Top Dog. We'd love to stop by. Oh, man. I can't wait to have a beer with you over there. We'll cheer you guys up some merch. We'll drink some John Daly Good Boys, smoke some John Daly Cigars. Ooh, baby. and deal with some John Daly, Mama Lou spice. So here we go. I got it. Lid on my fries. Does sound like a good time right there. Sign me up, man. Varying on that. We'll definitely stop by. We're all going to Augusta. What makes this tournament so special in your eyes, John?

1:02:00Well, it's the only major that never leaves home. It stays in the same spot every year. The other three move around, and it's Augusta. I mean, I don't know if you guys have played it with y 'all's status. You should have been able to. No, it's just a very special week. I played in it for a lot of years and had a few good tournaments there. But even when I was playing, I was selling my merchandise. It just gives me a chance to see the fans have a few cocktails, sell some shit, and have a good time. What do you – hold on. I got the little ones ready. She's got the Eagles cheerleader outfit on.

1:02:36Jason Kelce:That's a good outfit there. You just mentioned you interacting with the fans. I don't know that there's any golfer that I've seen that has been more connected with his fans than you. What do you think it is about you that made that the case? For me, I always played for him. And, you know, there's no skeletons in my closet. I've never lied to him. If I screw up, I tell him I screw up and apologize and move on. And they've been great to me. You know, it seems like everywhere I've been, it's like a home field advantage. you know with you guys you know playing for the eagles and that boy there in two three-year great great fans but your eagles man your eagles man when you guys are down a little bit they they i've never seen fans they'll let you know yeah yeah they let you know but that's i guess that's called loyalty i don't know but uh well it's it's passion it's passion john you know it's You think you take that grip it and rip it philosophy into life too?

1:03:36Not just on the golf course or? Oh yeah. Got to. Yeah. You know, I believe caffeine, nicotine, and go protein.

1:03:44Jason Kelce:Let's go. The simple formula. John, as one of the legendary drivers of the ball, I'm trying to get better at golf right now. I'm trying to break 80. Got a long-term goal that I want to make happen this year. I've realized I need to improve my long game and my short game the most. I'm pretty good at my irons. What is the key to driving the ball? Like, what would be your main takeaways if you want to hit it longer and preferably straighter? Would you say are like your hard, fast rules? Yeah. Well, I mean, for me, it's low and slow and finish the backswing. But in golf, I mean, people always ask me how they hit it further.

1:04:20Well, if you hit your best drive, the best you can hit it, that's pretty much as far as you're going to hit it. Now, the good thing is it's like you guys practicing football every day, every day, consistency. You know, you get your banners down, you get your plays down. It's consistency. And the more you're consistent with that, the better you're going to be. But if you want to break 80, get your ass out and hit 100-yard shots in and work on your putt and chipping because that's what will get it done for you. Steal those strokes, yeah. He's got a fucking – he's got a goddamn KFC potato wedge as a putter, man.

1:04:53It's like he just went to the local putt-putt and just grabbed that thing out of the back. He's got to get up to modern day, man. I don't know what he's doing with his putter.

1:05:01Jason Kelce:You know those old bullseye putters? That's what I got. I got a bullseye. Well, those are really good for fast greens, but I don't know what greens you putt on, but you need to probably get a heavier putter, like a Bentonardi or something like that, a real heavy putter. That'll help you short stroke and make a lot more putts. Okay, that's a good tip. I'm going to take that one. I'm already on a track. No chance. This guy is fucking trash. Yeah, baby. Johnny D, I'm going to take you back to 91, man, when you won the PGA Championship. I just wanted to ask, man, you were the ninth alternate going in it to win the whole thing.

1:05:34Is that correct? Yeah. Man, that's crazy. Did you know going into that tournament that you were going to have like a really good chance of winning? Or were you just kind of like happy to be there? What was the mindset going into that one? Well, I was just happy to get in. And, you know, back then I made$162 ,000. I kept my card for 92. You make$162 ,000 on PGA Tour, you're working in a grocery store somewhere selling groceries. But I had a pretty decent year. The golf course just fit my eye. I could fly all the trouble. And the reason I got in, Nick Price, Sue had the baby, and I got in last. But anyway, he asked me if Squeak could caddy for him.

1:06:12I said, hell yeah, I'd love for Squeak to caddy for me. That's awesome. Squeak could do a hell of a job. It was a blur because I didn't get a practice round. I just went in first round, second, third, fourth. That's so crazy, man. That is wild.

1:06:24Jason Kelce:Oh, my gosh. You can grip it and rip it, baby. What else do you need to do? Jason, you're worried about trying to fucking hit your drive straight. Just fucking hit it. At what point did you know you were going to be a legit professional golfer? When did you start playing? And at what point was it like, oh, man, I'm pretty damn good at this? I started when I was four. I'm probably around 16 years old. I just said, this is what I want to do. I'm fat. I'm flat foot. but I can't run. Football, basketball's out. I was a pretty good pitcher. I guess I could have pitched, but, you know, I'd have to play on a major league team where the pitcher doesn't hit, which I think that would be the American League.

1:07:02Is that right, American League? I think it's both now, but, yeah, I hear you. Back then, I think it was just the National League pitchers that hit.

1:07:09Jason Kelce:Right. But, no, I was just too slow, flat-footed, and I feel like I had pretty good balance in my golf game because I'm so flat-footed. So I just kind of struck it. When I was 16, I said, this is what I want to do. I will say that, man. The swing is obviously one of the smoothest of all time, man. And how much you get on your backswing is so impressive, man. It's like you're getting to the other side of your head almost. And for big guys like us, like the shoulders just don't allow us to get to that point, man. So it's like you're like an anomaly in this world of like guys with big shoulders that can't get their swing all the way back there.

1:07:46I don't even know where I'm going with it. I just fucking love the goddamn swing, man. You guys are always pumping, and you're getting so strong here. You're more – well, you need to stay flexible because you catch it. Jay, you got to block those boys, man. You got to be strong. It's tough because you get so tight you can't get the club back. But, like, you know, quarterbacks, pitchers, hockey players, they're so flexible they can take the club back. But, yeah, you just got to find your consistent drive and see how far it goes and there's work on that because that's all you can do. I mean, I used to be able to hit it a long way.

1:08:20Now, you know, my drives in the 90s sound like atomic bombs. I don't even want to tell you what they sound like now.

1:08:26Jason Kelce:No, get out of here. I know you're still crushing it. Still cracking it, dude. What was your furthest drive back in the day on tour? I'm not sure how far, but I think the longest I ever saw was somebody hit it 420. I think I had one like 399, 400. I guess I'm saying that was back when that technology. Now, what do you think realistically, if you were still in your prime, with the balls today and the drivers today, what do you think you'd be hitting? It'd be scary. I mean, me and Jack Nicklaus have talked about that. Just thank you. He was really long. Just thank you. Technology went up to when I was playing.

1:09:00I don't know. It's hard to say. I know that I hit over 200 ball speed way before that. When Bryce was trying to do it again. God damn. Hell yeah. He kept getting 198, 199. He couldn't get there. I said, hey, dude, I did it 10 times in a row. You'll get there. What a ball on a freaking 32 being Irving King driver. Yeah.

1:09:29What you need to do is you need to un-arch your feet. You got to get more balance. You need more flat foot into the ground. You're way too – your arches are – Yeah, exactly. The arches, you're just not made for it. Dude, how cool is it seeing your son, John Daly II, man? How cool is it seeing him making his PGA Tour debut and seeing him kind of follow your footsteps and everything? I believe he went to Arkansas. I feel like I always see him with some Arkansas gear on. Yeah, this is his last semester, fifth-year senior. The team is really good. I think they're fourth or fifth in the country. So, yeah, he hits it about 50 past me now, but he still can't out-chip him.

1:10:06He can't out-chip him? Yeah, he can see when I one-arm him and I one-arm chip him. I mean, he's got two hands on it. He gets so mad at me.

1:10:14Jason Kelce:Does your son ever push back on golf advice? If he's anything like Trav, my dad would try and coach him up in baseball and stuff like that. He never wanted to hear any of it. What's John II like with golf advice? He'll listen to everybody but me. Same way it goes. It's the same. It's the father-son thing now. But, you know, if I see him doing something wrong, I watch it in a few tournaments, I'll tell coach. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. And Lil Jon will go, Dad, coach really helped me. He told me I had to get the belt up. Okay, son. That's awesome, man. I'm glad he's helping out a lot. I can't see if Tiger and Charlie are playing.

1:10:49Charlie will listen to me. Lil Jon will listen to Tiger.

1:10:55Jason Kelce:When's the first time he actually beat you in a round? Let's see. Probably about four or five years ago. Oh, wow. Yeah. He's going into college. When he's like 16. That's amazing. There you go, man. That's how you know. That's what you should be doing in life right there when you're beating a pro. I saw that little baby girl of yours, Jace, behind you. Hey, she's going to be beating you in golf pretty soon, too. Just trust me. So I want to get her out there. Hey, she don't got – it ain't going to be very hard. She might be able to beat me right now, John. I don't have to say. She still got flexible shoulders.

1:11:25Jason Kelce:You famously said once, talking about your pre-round routine, that you hit balls for maybe 20 minutes, put a little bit, smoke four or five cigarettes, and then you drink three Diet Cokes, and you go in for the first tee. some days I won't even go to the range. Is that still the case? I just smoke cigarettes and drink my coat. I don't even look at the putting green or practice. Get away from the putting green. You feel like at this point in your career, you can kind of just see the tint of the, or like the color of the green and like the layout of it and get a good feel for it just off of like putting your eyes on it.

1:11:59Yeah. And we play, you know, I play two to three pro-ams a week too. So it's not like I'm not going to know the golf course. Oh, okay. Yeah.

1:12:04Jason Kelce:Gotcha. So it's there. I play enough during the week that I need to go hit balls or beat balls all the time anymore. My body can't hold up to it anyway. 12 surgeries, bladder cancer in the last eight years. So if I went out and hit 20 putts, I got to sit down and have a cigarette, a Diet Coke, or a John Deerey Goodboy. Here we go. Get up 20 minutes and do it again. When we're young, you can hit 1 ,000 putts without no problem at all. But I'm old. If I knew I was going to live to be this fucking old, I'd have taken worse care of myself. Cheers to that, brother. Do you think there's a bit of trying too hard and putting in too much work in that regard, like trying to fix it too much, especially in between rounds?

1:12:51Well, I think it's what you guys did. After a game, you've got to have that night off and then go back at it. Your body's tired. You get frustrated, especially when you're tired. But everybody's different. You know, I'm a guy that I've been gifted very natural ability, very flexible that I didn't have to beat a lot of balls, but I worked my ass off on my short game 150 yards in. I'd beat balls every day for that, but that's where you score. But, no, everybody's a little different. I mean, you know, these guys are working out. They're getting hurt. They're hurting themselves working out too hard.

1:13:24You know, they don't need to be like you guys. You've got to do it to be man-on-man in football. But golf, you just want to keep your flexibility. You want to be able to do what you can do and don't push it too hard. Guys are getting back problems and pumping weight too long and shit. When I grew up, man, it was like, let's go play golf. I was about to say, you ever see a weight room growing up? Shit, no. I'm going to open up John Daly gymnasium. Barge through on the treadmill, ashtray, cup holder, drink holder, porn on TV, and topless weight. Oh, my God. That's some good shit right there. I'll put them on by Fitness 24th.

1:14:01Jason Kelce:I love it. I love it. Hey, I'll get a membership to that right now. Come on now. Sign me up, baby. Yearly membership. I do think you're onto something, though. Because that way in football, sometimes guys put in so much work and they get so meticulous with everything. Their diet, weightlifting, and they forget that there's a – it's not a formulaic thing. You can try and make it that way, but at the end of the day, there is an art to it. And there's a freedom that you need to play with as well. And if you try and be a robot out there, it just like it doesn't work in football. And I know like golf, you would think there's less factors and maybe you can be more robotic.

1:14:43Jason Kelce:But I bet there is a similarity there where you can't allow that to overtake your mental approach to the game. Yeah. I mean, we're the only sport that the boundaries change every day. You know, we're not playing the same field where, you know, even if it's the same golf course, T-boxes, they change the T-boxes. They move them up back. Green, the pins are changed. You got OBs. You got hazards that come into play. But, you know, it's just a brutal game, man. And people don't realize it does take a toll on your body. Like, I don't work out. I put out. But, you know, it's taking a toll on my game and on my body.

1:15:20And people think, oh, it's such an easy sport. Yeah, this is kind of a pussy sport. Bullshit. This is a man-on-man. Man, it's every part of your body's got to work. And when you're repetitionally hitting that many balls, it's no different than you guys, what you guys do. It's brutal on the body.

1:15:36Jason Kelce:No doubt. I get more sore playing golf than I ever did sometimes at practice. I go out there, you're walking a court, like a bunch of hills, you're going up and down, you hit a bunch of balls. I'm over 100 strokes sometimes, John. I'm using all of them I got, right? This guy gets within 50 yards and starts playing ping pong in the green, man. The funniest line was from Brett Favre. I'm playing with him in the Pro-Am in Memphis in August. It's 125 degrees. We're on the 15th, though. He goes, you know what, Bailey? I'd rather have a 350-pound lineman just run my ass over right now. This is crazy.

1:16:07Jason Kelce:Seriously. I'll take one hit as opposed to four hours of it. Yeah, man, no doubt. I was going to say golf's having a surge of the century. Everybody's getting into the game nowadays, and it feels like you're seeing more and more content. Everybody wants to have some sort of golf show because of how fun the game is And also just how like you can, the banter in between is it's very, it's a, it's a game you can comment on and a game that you can, you can act within. It's, it's like everybody has these new shows and everything. Do you, do you like how the game has been growing or is this starting to get kind of like, I don't know, it's sidetracked from what the game really is supposed to be?

1:16:46Oh, I love it. I mean, you know, the only thing, the only downfall is, is everybody hits a 320 now to 350. That's not a downfall. But, you know, I look at kids growing up playing golf. Now, all they want to do is go to a driving range and beat a driver 320 yards. But a hundred yard chip shot, they're missing the green. They're duffing it. They're not, you know, doesn't matter how far you hit it. But if you ain't got a short game, what's the use? It's like having a quarterback that can't call an audible and throw a screen. Oh, I see. I see you, big dog. You need that guy. You need that guy to be able to get some.

1:17:17You got to sniff out that defense, man. I'm telling you. You got to change the fucking play. No, I hear you. We actually got a little note in here about your high school kicker days. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

1:17:29Jason Kelce:Okay. He's talking. We got to go ahead. Elias High School. Elias Crusader, Jeff City, Missouri. What? Nice. Hell yeah. So were you like you were right on the border there? Well, I'm sure about 35 miles south of Columbia. Nice. Yeah, I'm familiar, but that's where you went to high school. So you grew up in Arkansas and then went to high school in Jefferson City? Yeah, well, I went my sophomore and junior year. I finished my last semester, my senior year in Arkansas. Oh, okay. Yeah, I was there for a couple years. But, yeah, we went to state. We had our first perfect season at 10-0 since 57. We won our first playoff game in St.

1:18:06Charles. They were just too fast. Was it just kick? I could throw it, but I couldn't run. I could punt it. Thank God I didn't have to run. I did the front passing kicks when I was young, and your coach. Oh, yeah. I did a big red baby. He looked as big as you, Jason. He looked like he was playing for the Rams at L.A. Rams at that point. He's such an awesome coach. I love him. But, yeah, I went to front passing kick ways. And when I was eight, Superdome opened up in 74, and the first person I met was Archie Manning. How about it? And I was talking about a man that if he ever had a good offensive line, he could have done something.

1:18:44But it was great meeting him and, you know, just getting into the – I love football. Football is my passion. Like I said, flat-footed. And I'm straight on. I kick it barefooted. Right on the nose, man. That was what I was going to ask because I know you golf barefooted. Were you a barefoot kicker as well? Yeah. I could kick it a lot further. I just kick it off my big toe. That's so good. But I got something that a lot of kickers didn't get. Look up the 1992 All-Madden kicker team. What? Okay. Were you on it? I was the John Madden hated kickers. And we were out doing a Monday night. Frank Gifford held the ball for me on Monday night football in San Francisco.

1:19:30And I kicked a 45-yarder, a 40-yarder. And Madden was out there. And he goes, okay, I like you some. And he took me on the 1992 old Madden team. That's the kicker. that's so fucking good man that's my only NFL thing I can say bro that's one of the most like awarded things as a player because John obviously Madden was like the mecca of or like the best in the entire football world like he's our like savior in this world so to get that nod that's pretty fucking dope but that's crazy dude the 1992 I think I'm lining up a putt or something I the card that it has is a 1992 old Madden team I think I'm lining up a putt.

1:20:13I can't remember what the card looks like, but it was pretty cool.

1:20:16Jason Kelce:I got to get that. Heck yeah. Do you have a welcome to golf moment? Like welcome to the PGA moment? Welcome to the PGA, I think, would be probably winning the PGA. You know, most of the time I could hit it kind of long, and I'd have a, you know, the group I'm playing with, a signed carrier and about five people watch me hit it. Then they go watch somebody else back in the day. But, yeah, the PGA of America was probably – I didn't realize what I did until I got to Colorado the next week. It was like 12 ,000 people sitting there waiting for me. Like, you guys are doing Super Bowl. Y 'all have hundreds of thousands.

1:20:52But it kind of felt like that. Like, couldn't breathe, you know. It was really weird. That's crazy, man. I believe that. That's an awesome story, man. Well, John D., man, we appreciate the time. We appreciate the stories. Can't wait to run up on that fitness center you were just talking about and get a subscription for the year. But we appreciate you, dog. Thank you for jumping on with us, big guy. You got it. I'll get y 'all's address, send you a bunch of these beautiful Good Boys. Please. Non-carbonated. Please do. Please. I'll send them cigars, and I'll send you some of my Mama Lou's seasoning here.

1:21:24Yeah, yeah, yeah. Put on everything. Is there a site everybody can jump on and go grab that stuff? Yeah, well, Good Boy, you just go to goodboy.com. You'll see the John Daly, the cigars, johndalycigar.com. and I'm going to lose. Just go to John Daly's seasoning. Hell yeah. But I'll send you guys some stuff. We'll throw all those links in the episode too, man.

1:21:49Jason Kelce:Where are you at down in Augusta as well? Because we're going to make sure we run it to you. What bar did you say again? I'll be there from this Saturday to next Saturday. Love it. Top dog. Top dog. Can't forget it. Top dog. Top dog. Top dog. Don't seem like a top dog kind of guy. You seem like a top dog kind of guy. Side note, Augusta is really regarded for the food and everything around there, the pimento cheese sandwich. We're going there this week. We've been before to the major, but what are the must-dos if you go to the Masters as a spectator? Well, the practice rounds are the best because you won't be able to take your phone in and all that stuff.

1:22:30They take your phone, so just leave it somewhere. Yeah. but you can see the guys practice. That's what's really cool. That's cool. Okay. But the best place to be is going to be a top dog just on Marston Road. We'll be pounding a few of these before you go back into training there, big boy. Listen, you already know. I'm going to eat real clean this week just so I can get out there to Augusta and have a few of those. You can pound a bunch of these. That's what I'm talking about. We'll get them in.

1:22:58Jason Kelce:Trust me. Hell yeah. You're the man, big guy. We appreciate the time, man. You already know. We'll see you. We'll try to see you next week down there in Augusta. Love you, boys. I always watch you. Keep it going. Thank you to Jim Nance and John Daly, two of the most epic and, like, iconic men in golf. And, man, we're pretty fired up for the match. There's no one we're going down there, man. But it was just cool to hear these two talk about the game and talk about their lives and the road to where they are now, man. That was pretty fucking dope. Once again, those master's conversations were brought to you by AT &T.

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1:26:21I'll play it. I'll play it.

1:26:22Jason Kelce:But what does it mean? What side of TikTok are you on? TikToks aren't voicemails. The question's a voicemail. Jeez. But was the prompt from us? What side of TikTok are you on? Let me just play the question. It's going to make sense. I promise. So I have a question. I always wonder what side of TikTok people are on. So that's my question. What side of TikTok are you all on? that is not related to you guys. I mean, currently I'm on the side of TikTok that doesn't watch TikTok. I only post on TikTok. I don't scroll TikTok. She's asking if we're pro-TikTok or against TikTok? No, she's asking us. She's basically saying that there's an algorithmic thing that steers you into a certain type of content on TikTok.

1:27:06Jason Kelce:And I think TikTok people understand what she's asking, but neither of us being TikTok individuals, I don't think you're going to understand this question. What's coming up on your feed is basically the question. My algorithm on Instagram reels right now is heavy golf content. I mean, I am getting, there's this one guy, Dan Grieve, I think is his name, Grieves. Has the three releases. I'm about to buy his book. He's got a chipping approach game advice. You don't have enough time to sit down and read, Jason. Get it on audio. Well, I mean, audio book is still getting it on, getting his book. You're still paying for it.

1:27:43Jason Kelce:My bad, my bad. But yeah, a lot of golf content, a lot of AI videos that I have to look at for a couple seconds to see if they're AI. But of course, they were AI from the very beginning. You got to get out early so you don't keep getting those fed to you, man. There's nothing worse than AI. I know this is AI, but I'm going to go through the comment section just to make sure that it's AI. You're hilarious. Even though it's obviously AI. The AI videos are the worst, man. I know what mine are. rodeos guys getting slung off bulls otters as we all know there's always those like three or four like reels or just uh i don't know updates on what otters have been doing around the world and then just sports everything every sport you can think of highlights all over the fucking place um i got a lot of comedy like sketches like like little like comedy bits like stand-up bits that I come across all the time.

1:28:38Yeah, same, same. The stand-up bits are always fucking entertaining to me. What else is in the algorithm?

1:28:45Jason Kelce:Surprisingly, not as much football as you would think. I mean, I get my fix on football with just, like, my love for the game. I think right now there's nothing, there's no football being played. That's a good point. It's probably playing into it. Yeah. I'll get all that stuff just on, like, the threads and, like, conversations through like my like messages following yeah yeah and we'll we'll shop that shop those posts around to each other more than we'll actually see it on the reels um if it has to do with sports it's probably on the algorithm and then comedy a bunch of shit i can just laugh at i'm looking through it right now i'm not getting a lot of i was big on billiards for a little bit oh still get some billiard stuff i mean any sports stuff is kind of free it kind of alternates probably a lot with the season, which is why I'm getting golf right now and not a lot of football.

1:29:36Jason Kelce:I get a lot of like do it yourself stuff. Ooh, DIYs. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of like building cabins in the backyard. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Carpenter work. Yeah. That's, I mean, that's huge. I love that shit. I could sit there and watch that shit all fucking day. There's actually, there's some shit. I got to send it to you. There's a YouTube of like, but it's like, it's an hour long. Like it just shows these guys in the middle of like a jungle, putting an entire like hotel suite with a pool and they're making this all out of clay and fucking wood it's insane i'm more of a youtube deep dive and then like certain guys on that making stuff with like long form that i'll kind of try to get into once again this edition of no dumb questions was brought to you by apple all right last thing before we wrap let's take a final look at the standings and the new heights receipts bracket challenge shout out to the night two percenters bracket leaders we are recording this monday morning but right now here is what we got the women's winner which is over so this will be the winner is ucla man congrats to jenna duncan oh very fitting i don't real last name all right way to go jenna winner of the women's bracket challenge and then the men's leaders it all comes down to the final it will either be Connor or K-Moll?

1:30:55Yes. Good luck to both of you guys. Connor, K-Moll.

1:30:58Jason Kelce:Whoever wins between UConn and Michigan. Michigan looked real good. I'm not going to lie. Once Houston was out, I thought Arizona was going to take it. Michigan, I mean, just Jesus. They are. But UConn does have the juice, too. This is going to be a fun game tonight. I'm pumped. New Heights staff updates. Men's. Jake has won the New Heights Men's Bracket Challenge once again. He won it last year. The loser is still Aaron, who, I mean, in some ways did something nobody else thought possible. So congratulations, Aaron, by not winning a single round of 32 game, something that I still can't believe.

1:31:36Jason Kelce:And the winner of the women's is PJ. PJ, congratulations. Way to go. And the loser is still Travis, despite his angling to somehow blame me for him losing to everybody in New Heights's bracket. No, no, no, no. I didn't say I blamed you for losing. I said you cheated. I didn't say I blame you for me losing. You still lost to everybody else in the, and I didn't cheat on the women's. The women's, I didn't actually didn't seek advice or change anything. Yeah, you're right. Mama Kelsey has weighed in. She knows that I will exhaust every loophole possible. She very conveniently did not call me a cheater, though.

1:32:16Jason Kelce:She did not say those words. Listen, we all know you're a cheater. Everybody in the comments in the post knows that you're a cheater. And I rest my case. You're a cheater. If I have to do it, you have to do it. Listen, I will do it. I will do it just because, first of all, being in a Waffle House and trying that challenge sounds fun. But I in no way cheated. and I don't need to listen to a bunch of people who are fans of yours in the comment section accuse me. That's not how I deserve an unbiased jury, not the Travis Kelsey fan club being like, oh yeah, you did cheat Jason. No, you must, you must, you must look at the comments.

1:32:53Most of the comments actually say that they are not fans of me and that they are huge fans of you and that they typically side with you on everything, but you definitely cheated.

1:33:01Jason Kelce:I cheated in no way. I It's a good thing that our fans are not judges. Yeah, it's not an objective thing. It is a subjective thing. You cheated. No, it's objective that I did not cheat. It is not subjective. It is plain and apparent. It's actually impossible to cheat in this because you hit submit, and then your bracket is submitted. So there's no way for me to have cheated unless games already happen. Cheater. Shout out to everyone that participated in this year's re-season, New Heights Bracket Challenge. We absolutely love doing these things. Next year, we're going to go into it with a lot more details, knowing that some people like to bend the rules.

1:33:44We will be emailing the winners after the men's and women's finals, so please check your email after those games if you have won. Good luck to the games tonight.

1:33:54Jason Kelce:All righty, that's a wrap-up of another episode of New Heights. Thank you to Jim Nance and John Daly. Make sure you subscribe to the New Heights channel on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. Once again, New Heights, a Wondery Show brought to you by AT &T, our favorite provider out there. Follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with 1S. Thanks to the New Heights production team for always keeping us in line and finishing on time and doing things the right way because it can get a little crazy in this world. Thank you, guys. Thank you to all the 92 %ers for tuning in to this madness.

1:34:26We'll see you guys down there in Augusta. If you're going, it's going to be fun.

1:34:39Jason Kelce:Hold up, hold up. I did do some research because we are. Are we doing the Waffle House Challenge? That's what we're doing. If that's what we can agree to, we'll do it. I don't know when we're going to record that. I know. In L.A.? Well, there's no L.A. It ain't happening out here, brother. You can probably do it down at Augusta this week. Twist my arm. I'll come to Augusta. What are you looking for? I did a whole calorie deep dive into how many calories it would be to eat your way out of Waffle House. Okay. And I cannot find it. How many calories are in a Waffle House waffle? A standard Waffle House waffle contains 400 calories.

1:35:14Jason Kelce:Oh, that was not the number I got. What'd you get? It was higher than that. I know that. All right. Well, we can sidebar on this. We're losing Travis. We're losing him. What do you mean? You're not losing me. That's why I'm trying to keep going. We need to do the calories. As the show glows. You know, the show ends when it spiritually ends. It's not really a... Let's wrap this episode, I think.

1:35:38Let's wrap on out of here. I will walk away from the computer. Come on, Jason. God damn it. We'll do this later. People don't want to watch us do math.