Kylie's Perfect Mother's Day & Rory McIlroy on Masters Win, Shrink The Game & Golf Dad Tips | Ep 190

21:33Jason Kelce:Anyways, my favorite trip of all time is probably driving all the way down to Walt Disney World and down to Florida growing up. it was always like we were going to like some far away land and we got in the minivan and i got left at a rest stop and yeah and these are the memories you look well and also save the day by telling them that i wasn't in the back seat yeah but i waited until we were on the freeway to tell them yeah you waited a bit you you you wanted to see dad run on the shoulder of the interstate back to the rest stop which i get but yeah these are the fun things you can expect to experience when you are on a family vacation and it's only going to be made easier with Expedia.

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23:0092 percenters. It's almost Mother's Day. So we have a special edition of Heights Hotline. Brought to you by Expedia. Shout out to Expedia. And here to help us answer your motherly questions is the host of the Webby Award winning podcast. The greatest podcast in all the land. Not going to lie. Kylie Kelsey, come on in. One of America's favorite mothers. Happy early Mother's Day. Thank you. You guys are going to do something special, Jason.

23:36Jason Kelce:No. Jason? Yeah, we always do something special on Mother's Day. Okay. You're setting yourself up, bud. You better start playing. Well, that leads us to our first question. What would be a perfect Mother's Day for you, Kylie? Dream Mother's Day. I don't know. Last Mother's Day was great. We got some brunch, and I love brunch. Ooh. What else? Literally. Literally. Let me write this down. brunch b-r-u-s act like i'm not here just make me disappear okay brunch brunch um i don't know back rubs from you i i got bad hands you know that that's why i that's why i wanted clarity on the situation i scratched ellie's back last night and she was like dad why does it hurt why do your fingernails hurt but mom's fingernails feel good jesus jesus to be fair his fingers don't bend anymore i literally a week recently called his hands man mitts he's just walking around like this everywhere you should see him try to do the girl's hair his fingers don't bend he goes like this to the top like this to the top of her head like he's doing his palms isn't that what you're supposed to do sure all right so what else do we got we got brunch what about breakfast in bed i heard some women like that no no i don't want food in bed okay okay no breakfast in bed um i want silence silence i want silence that's gonna be a tough one yep that's gonna be a tough one i want 20 minutes of silence 20 we can do 20 minutes we just go outside we can do that who's we you're noisy you say inside no we no we all go we all go outside i go outside and you say inside so a perfect day mother's day is kylie outside okay yes thank you kylie outside kylie outside all right a little bit of quiet so a brunch picnic no no i just i want food that i don't have to clean up after.

25:58Jason Kelce:Got it. Okay. So brunch at a restaurant and then I want 20 minutes outside. So you just want to go to park.

26:07One of the two.

26:08Jason Kelce:All right. Perfect. Same as usual. Got it. Yeah. I am the worst person to ask girl questions to because I am a creature of habit. I want to go same places i want to get the same food i'm not the person to ask see like i would be fine if you just did what did you used to do candles and earrings that wasn't for mother's day that was a christmas thing oh perfect okay nice but you're you're against candles now though well just because he is i am i burn them when he leaves all right well we have some 92 percent of voicemails that they have asked us about mother's day and we figured we'd bring you in as our resident expert mother.

26:52Jason Kelce:Do you want to pick some of these? Am I picking one? We're going to pick a few. Oh, can you just pick then? Okay, let's do wish girls understood about their moms. Oh, no. Hi, my name is Sarah. I'm from North Carolina. I'm not a mom, but I am a teenager. Seems pertinent for Mother's Day. And from a mom's perspective... It's less husband attacking and more just... What is something that you wish girls understood about their moms that we probably don't realize. Love y 'all. Love you too. Love you. All right. You remember what it was like to be a teenager? Yes, I do. Trash. And I remember you have told me that most daughters in the teenage years struggle with moms.

27:36Yes. So I can only speak to my experience with my mother because I do realize that I lucked out. My mom is Lil' Lisa's top tier. The best. The best. Happy Mother's Day, Lise. My concern is that, so this applies to great moms. I know that that's not everyone's situation, and I'm sorry that some moms fall short. I know that that's some people's experience, but what I will tell you from my own experience is that I felt strongly that when I turned, let's call it 15, that my mom was plotting against me. I swore it up and down. I thought for sure that woman was trying to take me down. It makes sense.

28:21It's a good theory. When I turned 22, maybe 21, let's say 21. Okay, let's call it 21. I had a moment where I was like, oh, she's been on my team the whole time.

28:34Jason Kelce:Yeah. Probably number one fan, if we're being honest. Seriously, though. So what caused you to think that she was trying to ruin your life? That she was trying to tell me what to do. And as a teenage girl, I thought I know better than you, which is ridiculous. Like what time to be home? Like the curfews? That, no, I was, I didn't even go out. So what are we, what are we talking about? There was a moment in time where I was potentially going to switch schools and she was advocating for that. Cause I wasn't happy with like classmates and, and that sort of thing. And I was more, less classmates and more class.

29:12I was not excelling academically. point. Ah, gotcha. Yeah. But that doesn't mean school's bad. That's what I'm saying. The school. Great. When I leave the school, you want me to do homework. That's weird. Yeah. Yeah. You do the work at the school. You just had me for seven hours. And if you didn't get out of me, then I can't help you now. That's how I felt about it. Like my mom never brought work home. She did all of her work at work.

29:37Jason Kelce:Thank you. So Lise was advocating for you to leave schools or advocating We were exploring other options for me to potentially go to a different school that could help me academically. Is this like one of the... Jason Daniel.

30:02Jason Kelce:I don't know where to go from here. I think that's great advice. Moms are always on the side. We can go to the next voicemail. We can go to the next voicemail. Let's go to the next voicemail. Show me the list. I'm done with him picking. I thought it was a fun one. I thought it was a good one. And that's good advice for all teenage girls out there. They might not be rooting against you. Let's see. First Mother's Day. Brandon likes that one. I don't think this one's going to be good, but let's go. Me neither. Let's go. Hey, guys. I have a new father Mother's Day question here. If my wife is currently pregnant, but the baby isn't here yet, do I still have to get her a Mother's Day gift?

30:38No. Don't tell her about that. this is again where like girl questions i'm gonna bat at i would say no the baby's not here yet what i do think is is that if you want to do a little something maybe like flowers or something small and be like i can't wait until next year when we can when we can celebrate your first official mother's day that's a great segue let's say but i don't think that i don't i don't check some diapers.

31:08Jason Kelce:Those tits are still intact. You got a lot of, you got a lot of milestones to overcome. What did you just say? Did he just say your tits are still intact? That's my wife. Oh, I'm just being honest. This is what happens.

31:24That's my wife. Your tits are still intact. Tell Emily I'm so sorry. I will. Thanks, Kai. I appreciate you being on that side of the debate. That is not what I thought was going to happen. I know. That's why I'm saying I'm bad at girl questions. God, I can't believe you just referenced Jake's. I can't believe that you just said that. Go with your heart, man.

31:42Jason Kelce:I wasn't saying it about Emily. I was just saying it holistically about all moms. Well, I mean. Your tits are still intact. To be fair, I really resonate with that sentiment. My tits are no longer intact. That's where I thought the burden was. I thought the burden was more of an attack on you. I agree with those. All right. All right. Let's do another voicemail. What's another good one? I want a specific Kelsey household rules. If you get into a specific Kelsey house rule, the problem is you're about to get bleeped. Jason's going to get bleeped. Oh, here we go. My no dumb question is for Kylie, who I understand is going to be on the Mother's Day podcast.

32:25My question is this. Kylie, what's a very specific Kelsey household rule that exists purely because of something Jason or Travis did once that can never be allowed to happen again?

32:40Jason Kelce:Why are you talking that way? I don't even know what she asked. Her question was, what is a Kelsey house rule that is in place because of something that the two of you have done? we didn't really have that many like house rules did we just yeah i think that's why they assume that there are rules related to the stories she's asking kylie if or i think she was asking more if you implemented rules because of stories you've heard that's what i thought the question was yeah so you guys didn't understand it either all right cool no um what are the rules of the house let's see let's see let's see i don't know there are things that i would never allow to happen because of stories i've told that i've been told oh interesting okay for instance no one's no one's playing in the car i'm talking about when travis drove it through the garage or when someone took a dump in the trunk again those are both travis Travis did not.

33:47Jason Kelce:You know what? Travis went potty in the bathroom. I mean, as I've seen with Wyatt, it is now clear to me that watching Wyatt just tell her younger sisters what to do and egg them on. Don't get me started. Do not get me started. Is very accurate as to. That she's your child. That she is your child. That's hilarious. That's what that is. All right. What other ones? What other rules? um i have i have taken into consideration how our knives are stored because we used to throw knives in the air who's way who is way what of the only known stories of me but i'm pretty sure travis was doing it i got in on some of that fun for sure did you what i'm locking them in a safe who doesn't want to throw knives in the air yeah it sounds like a blast you ever seen ninja turtles

34:45In our preschool endeavors, I have made it a point to make sure that the teachers know that I'm siding with them. I'm trying to hedge our bets to not get kicked out.

34:55Jason Kelce:Nice. Our parents sided with teachers. No, they didn't. Your dad literally said when it came to the sporking that they should have been watching you better. Well, I mean, they should have. I mean, he was just being honest. They screwed that up. they were like kids playing with silverware all like uh without jason it was a sport mom i remember mom literally like vouching that you know we were right the majority of the time we were in trouble oh like when when the stories of jason fighting are always that he was he didn't start it he was finishing it or he was standing up for somebody else that was the that's the other one of those times i was there was one of the 72 times i got in a fight there was a girl that was being picked on or i thought that it turned it out that they were playing together but i thought she was being picked on and uh i thought i was protecting her you thought you were a teenager turtle i was told to do exactly jason is there a rule that you feel strongly about in our house that oh i can hear our kids what's up is there a rule like a house rule that you feel strongly about in our house currently i don't even know do we have rules i mean we have a couple the rule that i would like to change is that the puppy is sleeping in the bed right now i don't know that's a rule i just want that thing out of the bed it is quite cuddly at times and it's very nice when but i my allergies are affected um i literally said today that you needed to take a certain yeah it's getting bad what else i don't know that there's i will say that a rule that i've brought from my own like my house growing up my rule that you guys do not follow is mcdevits that i get sometimes a little bit of like a little upset is when the girls aren't eating their food it is my ed kelsey comes out and they're gonna fucking eat that food man i'm not no they're not i know if ands or buts they're not they're not they want to leave the table they will no they're not gonna travis as the resident picky eater do you agree with that method 100 yeah that's right yep and i had to i had to eat this eat the shit i didn't want to eat i get it i'm with it though we have implemented you will be thankful yes there are starving children no he hasn't hit that one that one doesn't really work anymore it's a thriving economy we have implemented a rule that jason doesn't like which is you have to taste it but if you don't don't like it you don't have to eat it no because then they can because there's the stubborn part of jason's side of like the kid that's going to be like I don't like it already as soon as it touches my fucking palate I'm going to spit it out and be like I hate it and then they won before they even you got to understand Kyle these kids are half Kelsey they're half Kelsey's if you give them any room for like hey I got I can got some wiggle room here to do what I want and not have to listen to mom they're going to take it you got to lay down the law look at Wyatt is getting a little bit she's getting a little little aggressive in some of the things she does.

38:23I mean, but Benny bit her yesterday. So that's right.

38:27Jason Kelce:She's half Kelsey. She knows. Yeah. The worst part is Benny bit Wyatt because Wyatt took something from Benny. And then when Wyatt goes, you don't even care that she bit me. I said, obviously I care. I sent her to timeout. And Ellie goes, that's because that was karma. And I was like oof i've said that too many times she's figuring it out that's too good yeah i was like okay let's do another voicemail what else do we want to get into we can't do do pet pet moms count because jason can do it jason's gonna disagree because the dog's living in the bed disagreements are good disagreements are good hey guys this is andrea from kc and i wanted to know your opinion on Mother's Day when it comes to someone having pets and animals?

39:21Jason Kelce:Because I have, for example, three pet pigs, Gus, Georgie, and Frankie. And if I say like, happy Mother's Day to me and my four children, then I get told to sit back down because I don't have skin children. Therefore, I don't count. So what are your opinions on that? And do pet parents count on Mother's Day, father's day time okay first of all can i come over she said three pet pigs three pet pigs i'm so in on that stop ducking the question we got that's about to say i love bacon too i think you're oh god um i think pet parents count do you think are you being honest or you just being nice to no i'm being honest because some people can't have their kids it's just not in everyone's plans to have human children.

40:15And so you are solely responsible for that being. Like if you are a pet parent, you are still solely responsible for that being. Now here's the, here's where I think people are going to get a little offended.

40:27Jason Kelce:Take them nipples are still intact, fully taking into account, Jesus Christ, fully taking into account that being a pet parent is not as difficult as being a human parent it is not yeah but you're still solely responsible for the well-being of a being well here's the thing this is the problem who's celebrating the mother the the people who celebrate mother's day are the people who are either like the husband or children of the mom like that's who's celebrating so like yeah if her pigs want to celebrate mother's day go for it i I don't know what that looks like. No, no, she might have a spouse.

41:05Jason Kelce:But I'm not going and celebrating Mother's Day for other – I'm celebrating – I mean, it is for all moms, but it's more like you get celebrated by the people that you mother to. Yeah, and you mother to pets. So let them celebrate her. Okay. But I'm not going to celebrate you. Okay, so whoever would like to celebrate you, if you are a pet mom, whoever would like to celebrate you, green light. Yeah. Or just not sure who it is. Whoever floats your boat finds the lost remote. Yes. Ooh, wait a minute. Andre 3000 taught me that. Hey, yo.

41:37That takes us back to Jets Jake, because I'm pretty sure they have a pet.

41:41Jason Kelce:Jake has a dog. We do. We have two dogs. Yep. Ooh, so you're going to have to celebrate. So this year I have to celebrate? Not the last five that we've had dogs? Can we not just be a player? Can we just make the statement that, no, you don't get to celebrate Mother's Day if you are a pet mom? I think that if you want to celebrate Mother's Day as a pet mom, go the fuck right on and do it. Do your thing. It's a free country. You can do whatever you want, but I'm not going to partake in your imagination land. You don't have to. I don't know what this is. Yes. That's the only reason she's asking. She's asking if there's a permission of like.

42:15Jason Kelce:What was her name? Happy Mother's Day to the pig mom. Andrea, I believe. Thank you. Happy Mother's Day to Andrea. I think it's really cool that you have three pigs. I don't think. I think it's awesome. You are a mother to the pigs. I don't think you give yourself a Mother's Day, though. Exactly. That's the only thing. If somebody wants to give you Mother's Day, I think that makes more sense. I'm not going to say, but again, do what you want. I'm with you. Because to be honest, I mean, are you going to put up your own banner? What's happening? I mean, people love to celebrate, so celebrate. Fuck it.

42:48Jason Kelce:Sure. Fuck it. Go to brunch. Go to brunch with the pigs. Have a good old time. Give yourself 20 minutes outside alone. Peace.

42:58away yeah away from the nice all right well thank you to kai happy mother's day to all the moms out there either pet or human moms uh kai do you before you get out of here do you want to plug anything for not

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46:08Jason Kelce:All righty, our next guest today is six-time major champion from Northern Ireland. He is the sixth person to complete the career grand slam and first European to do it. He is the two-time PGA player of the year, six-time Ryder Cup winner, and he just became the fourth golfer ever to win the Masters in back-to-back years. 92 percenters, please welcome Rory McIlroy! In timeout, we have another thing to announce. Is today your birthday? Today is my birthday. Happy birthday, Big O. We caught him on his birthday, baby. Let's go. Wanted to spend it with you guys. Thank you. This is, that's, I wish my first tee introductions were like that every single week.

46:50That'd be really nice.

46:51Jason Kelce:Yeah, anytime you want, I will follow you wherever you go and personally give you that one. Do you have any birthday plans to start there? What are you, what are you going to do? What's a glory birthday? It's sort of, I do. Yeah, I could have went up to Charlotte today. We're playing a tournament in the Truist Championship. I could have went up there, but I decided to stay at home and spend my birthday with Erica and Poppy. We've got a few friends coming over later. So pretty low-key, but I don't think 37 is the biggest of birthdays. But yeah, I'll spend the time at home, which is nice. There you go, baby.

47:24Well, let's get to it, baby. Let's talk about what everybody wants to hear about. Back-to-back Masters, dog. I got to catch you on a Friday and Saturday. I saw you out there. I was fucking screaming it, baby. Back to back, baby. Let's go. Let's go. Have I heard you? Yeah. I mean, geez. Have you touched a club since? I have. I have. I'm like, I, you know, I, I, I did like a solid 10 days of like celebrating, enjoying it. And then I was like, you know, I felt after last year, I got, not that I got complacent, but I got a little like, you know, this thing that you've wanted to do your whole life and you do it.

48:01And then it's like, okay, well, what's next? And I sort of went through that lull, I think that all athletes go through where it's like, okay, I've achieved the dream. I've achieved everything I've wanted to achieve. So I just didn't want to fall back into that this year. So I give myself 10 days. I celebrated. I had a good time, but I've been practicing for the last, yeah, for the last 10 days. And, you know, there's still a lot of golf left this season. And I feel like I'm in such a good spot that I don't want to, you know, I don't want to waste a couple months of the season like I did last year.

48:30So, but look, I've enjoyed it, absolutely. But, you know, I feel like it's time to lock back in.

48:36Jason Kelce:Where does this one rank compared to last year's? I don't think anything will ever touch last year. You know, it's 17 years, you're waiting to do this thing. And, you know, you get to the point and you wonder if it's ever going to happen. And then just the emotion. And yeah, I don't think anything will top just the euphoria of it all last year. But I think this year was like validation. Like I proved last year that I could do it at this place. And then I go back and, you know, arguably without my best stuff. I mean, I built a really big lead over the first two days, but to get it done in the manner in which I did it, lost the lead on Sunday, came back, played really solid to get it done.

49:16I think just like validation on my part that, you know, this is where I should be. This is the level that I should be operating at.

49:23Jason Kelce:I mean, it's also just a career. everything kind of came to moment, right? Because that was the last one you needed for the Grand Slam is like this whole thing that was just kind of hovering above you. I can imagine what that's like. I mean, Trav and I, I know we both have talked about when you win that Super Bowl, you really like flash back to like everything that you did. You go back to being like a kid again, like thinking about all these moments growing up together. And putting on the pads for the first time. And you see it all come full circle, baby. Yeah, all of it. And I think that, you know, it took me a while to process it all.

49:58You know, I've even talked about, you know, I dropped to my knees when I won that first one. And I get up and I turn around and the first person I see is my lifelong best friend, Harry, who's on my bag. Just like, it's just like you couldn't even write it. Like, it's just an unbelievable script. So there was a lot of stuff to process there. And it was my goal for so long. And, you know, finally it happened. it was like I probably needed to give myself that time. And then this year, it's just, it's felt different. I, you know, I didn't even want to, I didn't want to do the, you know, going up to New York and doing the late night shows and doing the whole thing.

50:33I just, you know, I wanted to enjoy it with my friends, with my family. Yeah. And yeah, as I said, luck back in a little bit earlier than I did last year. But all of the going up to New York and doing all that, it's good for the game, man. And you're obviously been top of the game and one of the biggest names to ever play for such a long time. So doing that stuff, you're kind of giving back to the game and letting everybody know that, yeah, there's somebody that just accomplished what only five others have done in the entire history of this game. So I think that's always kind of needed. But I hear you on not wanting to get back into that after this one.

51:13Was there any, in terms of before, though, was there any prep that you did differently going into this one that you maybe haven't done in years past? Yeah, absolutely. So I actually, my last couple of events before the Masters in Florida, I tweaked my back a little bit. So I had to pull out of the event in Orlando. And then I probably played, I don't know, probably 75 % capacity at the players. So I took three weeks off leading into Augusta, I think more to get my body right. And then it gives me the opportunity to go up to Augusta and prepare maybe more than anyone else in the field, which I actually got a little bit of shit for afterwards, which was weird, but...

52:00Trashing people for practicing, go figure. I know, I know, I'm not about that. But I felt as prepared as I have going in there, even though I hadn't had any like tournament reps. My game felt good. I felt like, you know, I'd spent so much time up there. I was so comfortable. But there's always a little bit of trepidation when you haven't played for three weeks competitively and you haven't had a card in your hand. It's like those first few holes on Thursday, you're just trying to feel like how you're feeling, trying to play yourself into the tournament a little bit. But once I got through that first nine holes on Thursday, I felt really good.

52:35And from then on, it was awesome. But yeah, I felt as prepared as I ever have going into that tournament. Nice.

52:44Jason Kelce:Is there something about Augusta National that just fits your game specifically? Like we hear about these courses sometimes. I mean, it seems like you play well everywhere. I guess every course fits your game. Not quite. I've got every shot in his bag, yeah. What is it that makes you so successful down there, you think? I think my experience. So I've been playing that tournament since 2009, since I was 19 years old. So, you know, I've played it. I think I've played the tournament 18 times. And it does. It sets up well for my game. I hit it high. I hit it long. And I think over the years, because of the experience, I've just gotten to know the greens so much better and where to miss it.

53:23I mean, my short game won me this Masters. You know, and even I didn't drive the ball particularly well, which is usually my strength. And my recovery play and my short game is what won me this. So I think I proved to myself that I can win a lot of different ways. It doesn't always have to be about the, you know, long straight drives and overpowering a golf course. I can do it different ways. But I've always felt since the first time I played there that this was a course that sets up well for me. And, you know, I had the potential to do well there. But obviously that's easier said than done. You need to go out there and hit the shots.

54:03And I feel like I was able to do that throughout my career, but I was never really able to piece it together for four days in a row. I'd have like three good days and then I threw in a 75 or I so um you know the last two years I just my bad days weren't that bad and that's what you know I feel like that's what won me the tournament the last couple years hell yeah sure well I know you said you caught a little bit of shit for the practicing too much which is absolutely bogus but um I want to know did you catch any shit for the champions dinner menu did you get anybody coming after you saying that they didn't want to have this or that or i had a few people from the homeland um i made a quip in the press conference where i said uh you know people have asked me why i didn't do more of an irish theme and i said well i want to enjoy the dinner as well so i got i got i got a little shit from back home for that that was that's funny yeah um so they were coming at me uh pretty hard for that at the start of the week but no i mean i think like i think everyone i think everyone enjoyed the dinner i tried to do i tried to do enough dishes that would like please everyone yeah and i'm a big wine guy i collect wine and i have done for like the last 10 years so um the wine selection was something that was pretty important to me oh yeah um i'm augusta nationals wine cellar is one of the best in the world i think they have like 20 23 000 bottles down there and it's all just the best vintages from i didn't even know what i had a wine yeah that's ridiculous you learn something about this place every time so yeah i had i had access to that.

55:34So that was, that was nice as well.

55:36Jason Kelce:Have you already started thinking about the next year's champions dinner now? Yeah. I went pretty, I went pretty fancy this year. Like it's always on the Tuesday night. So I was like, well, I could just do like a taco Tuesday or something. I don't know. We'll see. I haven't, I haven't thought about it too much, but yeah, I felt like the, you know, it's hot, right? The champions dinner, the way it's set up, you're sitting beside Ben Crenshaw's like the unofficial MC of the night. And then, and then on the other side of you is the chairman, Fred Ridley. And it's, it's really nice. I mean, it's the spot you want to be in.

56:13You're the defending champion, you know, and it's a big sort of long table, like both sides, like a U shape. And at the bottom left corner, you've got Trevor Immelman and Adam Scott, and they just look like they're having the best time. They are just having the night of their lives. And I said to Adam and Trevor that week I said you know if I don't win this year um that's right just save me a seat down where you guys are like and then uh I want to be on that end and then Adam texted me after he's like well looks like another year that you'll you've got to wait another year to sit with us but um but it's it's an incredible night and like to be sitting in that room it's a bit like um and Travis you'll feel you'll you'll feel this you'll feel this this year whenever you're sitting at your wedding and you have all the people in a room from like like it's so it's amazing to have all these people in the same room from your childhood to people that you've like it's just you're just sitting there and it's like surreal it's like unbelievable the only thing that I can compare it to is is your wedding day because it's like all this collection of people in the same room it's like wild I can't wait as a golfer it's a privilege of a lifetime you got to give me your wine choice though what's your where what are we doing our favorite kind of wine for a celebration where we where are we going uh France, Bordeaux.

57:33Bordeaux. Bordeaux. Yeah, Bordeaux. That's my go-to. On it. Deal. Yep, there you go. Simple. Alrighty.

57:42Jason Kelce:I know you're more of a wine. I thought you'd be more of the Protestant whiskey up there in Northern Ireland. Is that a thing? Bushmills, all that stuff? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I'm not a big liquor guy at all, but I was thinking of doing a certain cocktail with a Bushmills in it just to try a little bit of a nod back home. So I might try to do something like that next year just to appease all those people I pissed off. We're going to talk a little shrink the game, if that's all right with you. Shrink, yes. Jason's been getting attacked. A very... Yes, you have, yeah. Did he ruin the par three? No, I thought you were very additive to the par three.

58:22Nice. You were very additive. Thank you. I do.

58:24Jason Kelce:I appreciate it. I mean, a part of me gets it because I feel like golf is growing more than ever. In any sport. The sport is exploding right now. And with that growth, I think in any sport naturally it comes, it starts to change and people that have been around it for a long time are like, hey, I don't know that I like where it's going. And in a sport like golf that's so based in history and tradition, I think that the shrink the game movement isn't that surprising that it is happening with golf. I think with golf at Augusta too, in particular, it's like there's more tradition in history with that place than any other.

58:59Jason Kelce:So it's like the symbol of what golf has come from. But at the same time, I think the sport growing is good for it at the end of the day. It's just, there's going to be this natural tug and pull of like, how do we grow this thing, but also celebrate and keep these, you know, these, what has been awesome and made golf special still a part of this change and having a progress and move forward all at the same time. Absolutely. Like I, I, I agree. Like, I think it is like I, the, one of the, one of the silver linings, at least for golf post COVID has been this explosion in the game. And my thing is like, I think when people say grow the game, they mean different things to me to me what the real thing of growing the game is is growing the participation in the sport right getting more people to play the game like i feel like especially on the in the professional world when i like the pga tour world when people talk about growing the game they're talking about growing like the fan base and growing like the people that watch the sport which is a part of it but i think growing the game is actually getting more people to play Yeah.

1:00:06Like I think that, you know, golf is a participation sport. Like you want people to play. So like that to me, I'm doing if, if, if what ESPN did, for example, at the Masters, encourages people to go and play the game. I think that's amazing. yeah i think that's absolutely incredible like and and yes augusta is very traditional in its ways and golf is very traditional but i don't think any other golf organization pushes the envelope as much as augusta does because like they had dude perfect like doing all sorts of stuff on amen corner a couple years ago and then you know they've embraced what you guys did with the par three and like they they're always like you can't like the golf demographic is old how do we get it younger and then if you get the young people in early then then they'll be in golf for the rest of their life like that's that's a really good thing so i'm not i think there's certain values and traditions in golf that should stay because i think it teaches young people good lessons like whether it be like fall like look at cam young yesterday calling a penalty on himself at the rock like that stuff is really important but i think you can still uphold the values and the traditions of the game but still um appeal to like a younger demographic i don't think those two are i think you can do that both at the same time call me a cheater rory i'm not telling them i need every fucking stroke i could get dude i might even move it a little bit onto a better lie i might just go ahead and pull that thing off and i'm like now like this one right here i might just go ahead and move this that's awesome we'll add that on it's fine yeah we'll take that out The people that are talking about shrink the game, it's like you look at what Augusta does and all the traditions and the values and then some of the things that they've tried to do to modernize and basically just try to fit in with the 21st century.

1:02:05It's jarring because it's such a contrast. So I think there's some people that are just a little uneasy with that. But if we're really trying to grow the game, Like this is, this is a part of it. You need to try to lean into pop culture and what's relevant at, at this, in this day and age. And I don't see anything wrong with that. Nice. So you're more of a grow the game guy, you would say. Yeah. I'm more of a grow the game guy. Like the more people playing golf, the better. Yeah. And however you do that, whether that's from Topgolf or obviously you were, you guys were at TGL and trying to appeal to a younger demographic or, you know, some of the other initiatives that like.

1:02:47Yeah, that's obvious. Yeah. That's obvious. But growing the game, but still upholding the traditions and values that golf has, again, I think you can do both.

1:02:58Jason Kelce:I love it. Well, one of the things, that was my first time being at a par three that I loved. And we've seen all the clips, like Poppy, obviously, like that clip will be cemented in my brain to that putt. Shane Lowry's going crazy. I mean, that is such an awesome moment. Yeah. That is the cool thing about that par three. everybody's family their wives their significant others their friends is that as unique to you guys as it appears to us in the sport of golf it is i think um like you're you're basically getting ready for what is you know arguably the biggest tournament of the year um but you have this afternoon with your family on wednesday that just makes you forget about everything that's going to happen for the next four days you know poppy talks you know she's probably talking about the par three for next year already right it's just like you know you gotta you know she grows so you got to get her another boiler another white boiler suit that fits and you got it like she's just so excited to go out there and spend time with her friends it's incredible it's like it's the boat it's the most amazing um day for the family um and i think the nice thing for us is we're we're very close with the lowries and with the fleetwoods so to have all the kids spend that time together um and make those memories as they grow up i mean they're going to grow up like with that, you know, every, every year.

1:04:13And, you know, the, the focus this year was, will Frankie clear the water? And next year it'll be the same thing. Will Frankie clear the water? Like it's a, it's going to happen. He was close. He was, he was close. And so was Iris, Shane's, Shane's daughter. Iris was pretty close as well. So, but it's just, it is, it is amazing. It's, it's one of the coolest things about the Masters. And like, if people don't like it, like that's, you know they have to look at themselves and look at their own lives because it's just it's it's families having fun and honestly it's a great image to portray to the rest of the world that that golfers are human beings and they're enjoying time with their families and it's it's a really

1:04:53Jason Kelce:nice thing oh yeah absolutely i will say this the one thing so i i went over to dublin for the to watch the first nfl game over there yeah was it the steelers and it was steelers and vikings and the atmosphere was incredible but it was my second time going over to Ireland my wife is her whole family they're McDevitt's so they have a bunch of yeah she's hitting Irish dances and everything no doubt but um the golf culture there is incredible and I was there actually with Bill Murray and one of the things he pointed out was that in Ireland a lot of the caddies actually belong in our members of the courses.

1:05:31Jason Kelce:And it just felt more like a communal vibe the entire time when I was out there. It was spectacular. So there's no real like purely private golf courses. It's all like a sort of bland of public and private. They're all like semi-private. So you have memberships, but then they're also open to the public at certain times of the day or certain tea times and it's it's a it's a it's a better way i feel a better way to do it and it's definitely more accessible um because even you get to like even i don't know how much they're charging to get into trot national or like here at the bears club you're having to pay a million bucks to get like all this sort of stuff it's like like it just is so foreign to me and i think if america could get a little bit more of that where golf is like i don't know if you've been down here have you seen the park in west palm beach do you know do you know about the park no it's like a pub it's like a public golf facility um and it's been it's amazing it's like gil hans did it for free and it's been a lot of like these investors that put money into it but it's honestly if the park in west palm beach could be replicated like 50 times around the country like that would be an amazing way to grow the game there's like a there's like a par three course called the lit nine that opens until like midnight it is like the best communal sort of it's and it's for it's purely for the community so if you're if you're like within like a 10 mile radius of of west palm beach i think you get to play the course for like 60 bucks but for people coming out of state it's like 250 that's awesome so it's like purely for the local community so So like, that's the, I think that's, it's hard though, because you need wealthy people to like donate money.

1:07:18And that's the hard thing.

1:07:19Jason Kelce:It's hard to make it pencil out. We're dealing with actually in Philadelphia and Tiger has been a big part of it. Cobbs Creek. Yeah. Yeah. Which I think that is strictly public and maybe there is a, I'm not sure the parameters of that, but there's a whole like learning center that Tiger's built and it's very like community based. Yeah. More, more of that stuff is like, and then I think Augusta did one called the patch, which is just over like close by like i think more of those sorts of places would be would be amazing i actually played nine at the patch before one of the rounds here down augusta that place is spectacular you didn't break 50 i did great i was i was having one of the rounds of my life i didn't even i thought i was going to pull hook this thing onto the airport there's a there's a landing strip right there right there yeah yeah all right we're gonna get to this last section let you enjoy your birthday we gotta ask we gotta ask you don't have to answer you tell us fuck off too we just talked about poppy uh i am also a girl dad i'm trying to get my daughter into golf do you have any advice uh i look i think i don't know if i have advice i just think it's to me being a golfer um i don't want poppy to associate golf with me like leaving and not spending time with her so the more that i can get her on the golf course and playing and enjoying it i think that's but in terms of advice like just make it fun i mean whatever that means like let them drive the golf cart or you know like have it be where okay we go play golf and then we'll go get ice cream or we you know like to not to treat going to the golf course then you get a reward but just more that like just that they have like a positive i don't know a positive view yeah experience and view of it like i but i will say that you know poppy takes a lesson from the local pro here.

1:09:09And he can get her to stand and concentrate and do stuff for 40 minutes. I literally can't get her to do something for five minutes on the putting group. So it is just something where kids just, at some point, don't want to listen to their parents, but they will listen to other people. To me, I obviously want golf to be a part of Poppy's life, but if she takes an interest and wants to play more, that's great. But if not, like, I just want her to have a positive view of golf, whatever that means. Oh, yeah.

1:09:40Jason Kelce:Absolutely. And also instill those morals and everything where she is calling her own penalty, unlike somebody like Travis Gossett. Yeah, exactly. Our father had a very similar approach. He always wanted us to just, you know, if we picked up the sticks or if we picked up the sport the following year, he was like, I did my job. They're enjoying this. They're pursuing it on their own. He was a little league baseball coach in the community league growing up for such a long time. One of the coolest things I ever heard was like, Dad, do you love winning? What's making you do this? He's like, I just love it when I see the kids pick up the bat the next year or sign up for it again the next year because they had such a good time doing it when they were playing this year.

1:10:22So I think it's such a cool thing to just try and force these kids to enjoy themselves more than really lock in on, you know, making it a grind at such a young age. Absolutely. And even like for, like, if you're still, like for me playing competitively, if I do get myself in that little bit of a funk or it's starting to feel like a job, like just reminding yourself of why you started to play the game in the first place. There we go.

1:10:47Jason Kelce:We do have a swing that we'd like you to critique, if that's all right. I mightn't be as good as Max Homa, but well, let me, let me. Max has given me some tips. This is a different swing. Oh, look at this. This is my daughter, Wyatt. First time picking up a driver. Are they hunter boots? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. She got some rain boots on. So perspective. We went to, I took her to the driving range. Normally, she would just go putt, right? And I'm starting to hit. And she's like, hey, can I hit a couple? So we go to the guy who runs this specific range and ask if he has a kid's driver. For sure enough, he has a pink driver.

1:11:22Jason Kelce:First time swinging a club. God's honest. Okay. Here we go. Well, this is actually maybe 50 times, but first day, first day. Hey, pretty good. Proud dad right here. Dude, what do you think? She's got it, right? Jason. Pretty good. I mean, I think the first thing is the first thing that I did with Poppy was try to get her to grip the club properly. And it looks like she's got a pretty decent grip. So that was difficult because the first time she grabbed it, she had the left hand on the bottom. She's like got it reversed. Yeah. Which some guys are doing now. There's that one kid, one of the amateurs.

1:11:56Jason Kelce:You see that? Yes, I did. The guy in the drive chip and putt. Yes, yeah, yeah. That's what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, like you look at like a Matt Fitzpatrick. He's left below right when he's chipping. There's a few guys doing that. That's crazy. But pretty good. Like, I mean, some potential. Some potential. He's got to keep going. I mean, I got to get the dryer. I'm going to get the dryer out in the backyard so she can start chipping. Absolutely. That's it. Yeah. Yeah, make sure it's in the backyard because I broke one or two windows doing that in my mom and dad's house when I was a kid.

1:12:27It's all right. Jason deserves to get his windows broken from when he was a kid. Full circle moment. You've done the Devil Wears Prada sequel and the Happy Gilmore sequel. Are you kidding me? You're a movie star now, man. I am not a movie star. If you watch me act, you will tell I am not a movie star. That is not. But yes, Travis, both of us and happy Gilmore too, which was very cool. Sandler is like the coolest guy alive. Absolute legend. Yeah, so the Devil Wears Prada thing was so random. I won the Players' Championship last year and they asked me afterwards, like, what did you do last night to prepare?

1:13:04I said, well, I had dinner and I got back to the room and I watched Devil Wears Prada. So not... Get in the zone. Not knowing exactly. And not knowing that the director, David Frankel, somehow got wind of it. and his son is actually a really, really good player, trying to make it as a pro at the minute, played college golf at, I think, at Stanford. Nice. So the team reached out and said, look, Dave was wondering if you would want to do some sort of cameo. And I said to my wife, Erica, I'm like, yeah, what do you think? And she's like, yeah, absolutely. You can't fucking do it. And then I text back and said, do you think Erica could be in it too?

1:13:43And they're like, sure, bring her along. I was like, this is so, we spent the day in New York and did it. And it was an unbelievable experience. But yeah, like I, again, I have a day job and that is, I am, it's cool to be able to do these things and it's a cool experience being on a movie set, but I am not cut out for that. It is, those guys, it's long days and it's a grind. It is, it's a grind.

1:14:09Jason Kelce:Have you ever tried out the Happy Gilmore Swing? Have you ever tried to perfect that? I haven't tried to perfect it. I've tried it. I think we all did. Like any kid that grew up, like when the first movie came out. For sure. But yeah, no, it's, and in fairness, like, I mean, back in the day, like Sandler was so good at it. Dude. Right. Like he's really good at it. I mean, he can, it's, but no, I, yeah, I'm not, I like, I like like routine and structure and like anything that's like a little bit out of my, out of my zone, I'm not great with. Oh yeah. Well, you, I mean, legendarily one of the furthest drivers on tour.

1:14:47Jason Kelce:Like what is your average drive on tour right now? I'd say I averaged like three, I don't know, 325, 330. Probably averaged like 320 in the air. Oh, nice. Soft land. Nice. I've worked on it. I would say like pre-COVID. Like I bring it back to, so pre-COVID I was probably like, I was probably carrying the ball like 305-ish. Right. So I'm probably like 15 yards longer in the air. But to me, the big turning point was after COVID, when we all came back out to play, Bryson had put on like 40 pounds and he was hitting the ball so far. And then he went to Wingfoot and he won the U.S. Open at Wingfoot, playing in a way that I never thought could win a U.S.

1:15:35Open. Completely just wasn't caring about hitting fairways, but just hit it as far as possible. We'll figure it out down there. Got it out of the rough. Yeah. And it just made me rethink a little bit. And I probably started to chase the distance a little too much. But then I sort of have found a bit of a happy medium where I've done some good work in the gym and I'm certainly faster than I once was. And yeah, I got to a point where I can swing it with speed but not at the, like not, not having my swing deteriorate and getting into bad habits. So, but it's, it's, the game has changed. Like, and I would say, I'd say like, not to blow my own horn, but I'd say myself and Dustin Johnson back in like 2011, 2012, we sort of changed.

1:16:25We, yeah, we sort of changed the way the game was played for a little bit because if you look before that and like Tiger had his success, there was a lot of like conservative strategies. G's, Iron's off T's, Fairway Woods off T's. And then when DJ and I came out, we just were like aggressive driver everywhere. And then I think Bryson almost took it to another level again. So, and then you have to, you know, like you guys know, like in any profession or anything you do, you're always trying to look for ways to get better. And you're looking at your competitors, you're looking at other guys and like, okay, what do they do that I can't do or what can, so you're always just trying to figure out ways to do it a little bit better.

1:17:02Jason Kelce:No, it is, especially in a day and age where there's so many analytics. To your point, a lot of the analytics support, just get as close to the hole with your next shot as possible, right? Absolutely. Par five, just go for it on your second shot. And just get up and down. If you're off by a little bit, count, especially if you're the type of players that are on the PGA Tour, you try and just get a rescue shot in there. But it is interesting in football, it's the same thing. like these analytics get pushed in a way that eventually they're being pushed so much that you're doing it at a level that's counterproductive.

1:17:34Jason Kelce:Yeah. So it's like, you still have to be smart within that exact parameter as well. It's the same thing that happens in our sport. Like everybody sees these big plays down the field. It's like, Hey, we should just be striking for big plays. And it's like, Hey, now everybody's playing these soft prevent defenses. You're not taking what's underneath. and it's yeah it's what the analytic is no longer the way to win sorry i'm going no i know i i absolutely well it has to it's very it depends on the situation right sure like it's not like if you've got a i don't know a third third and three you're not gonna like that's not what you're going to do you're not going to go for the long ball over the top and you're like it's right Until you do, Rory.

1:18:17Until you do. But you know that they don't, they think that you are going to do it right now. Until you have Travis catching it down the field. I would like, yeah, it is very, it's situational and you have to, because the analytics and the stats can't, they can't cover everything. And they can't tell you like in this scenario or that scenario, it's like sometimes you got to go with your gut instinct and sort of throw the numbers out the window. at some point. But they are, they're, they're a good, they're a good guide. They're certainly a good guide, but I don't think we should, in anything, I don't think we should rely on them because we're all, we're all athletes and we all, we all got here, not because of the analytics of the stats.

1:19:00Yeah, they might've helped in some ways, but because of ability and intuition and trusting yourself, you know, there's all of that as well. Do you have a Mount Rushmore of golf courses oh of golf courses um what's your top four i meant was that four um yes yeah sorry yeah i was about to say yeah i should i should probably know that we've never asked that to somebody not from america that's so good nice yeah uh okay i would say um oh it's okay i would say uh i'll go four different places i'll go um kingston heath in australia okay i would go uh take no royal county down in northern ireland county down i would do pine valley on the east coast and then i would do cyprus point cyprus west coast yeah that's so hard because like there's so like there's i'm leaving out so many great golf courses it's hard to do for but like yeah those would be the four off the top of my head i'll take this you just took us around the world that's pretty dope got four that i haven't fucking played so i'm excited to try to play all four yeah but you did you played pebble beach this year let's see what uh roars over here talking about what are the best courses let's see what this thing's heading for i did i played pebble and i was just like there was one point where you're i think i think you're on pebbles like uh like one of the par threes down by the water on the front nine and you're like looking over at cyprus and that's in spyglass so that was spyglass yeah that's yeah third third green is spyglass and i'm just staring at it i'm just like that place looks pretty fucking epic i'm just like and everyone raves about it man yeah like it's those sort of old traditional golf courses that have all the history and all the again it's like it's going back to that grew the game thing i I think that's a cool thing about golf and all these historical golf courses and all that stuff.

1:21:01But then that doesn't have to be mutually exclusive to then appealing to a different demographic as well. I think we can enjoy both within the game. Jason, I was up in Philly on Friday, played Aronimink.

1:21:14Jason Kelce:Oh, really? Getting ready for the championship? Getting ready for the PGA, yeah. Yeah. What did you think? It's good. It's looking really good. There's been no one on the course since October, I think. so like whoa not a divot in the fairway not a pitch mark on the ground that's gonna be beautiful really nice it's in good shape do you have a favorite uh course in the philly area that you've played uh it's probably marion i don't i don't have i i don't have much like i've played most of them but i would say marion i didn't do what you call pine valley in the philly area no i would say i mean it's south jersey i mean it's it's close enough but yeah i heard my trout's place is supposed to be really good.

1:21:52Jason Kelce:I just played it yesterday. Thanks for the invite, Jason. Ate me alive. The wind was blowing. It's long. Yeah. I suck. A lot of reasons. I was going to say, what course hasn't ate you alive? Good point. Good point. No, they did a fantastic job with that place. Yeah, it looks really good. How many times will you play? Will that be the only time you'll play around in me before the championship or the PGA? Yeah, so I go, I'll play Charlotte this week and then I'll just go straight there. Yeah, so Charlotte's like, it's a good, you know, it's a big tournament, but it's a nice warmup to go into the PGA, you know, especially after having three weeks off.

1:22:30Jason Kelce:I hear this a lot about the difference of like the turf between like the South, especially down in Florida versus like the Northeast. How does that change your approach? Does it alter things that much? Always wanted to know this. Yeah, so around the greens is definitely different. So Bermuda, you notice the most difference when you're chipping and the rough, like Bermuda grass is, yeah, it's probably my least favorite grass to chip out of. So it's a good thing. I live in Florida because I get a bit more practice. Yeah, Northeast, it's like thicker blades. It's a little more predictable. I think if you're chipping out of the rough in the Northeast, that sort of bent grass or rye grass, it's a little more predictable, which is nice.

1:23:13And then, yeah, the turf is different. The club gets through the grass a bit easier. I'd say most players prefer to play off that sort of turf.

1:23:20Jason Kelce:Is that more similar to what's over in the UK and Ireland? Or is that even different up there? It's a little different. Yeah, because we play mostly Lynx courses. It's a little more, it's different. It's firmer turf, but it's very, I guess the grass would be quite, what's the word? Like fine. So it's fescue grass. It's fine. And it's - It's Jason's favorite. Yeah, it's different. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like a cow. I like, I love the fescue. Yeah. There you go. This guy. So when'd you get your agricultural disease or degree? Dude, it's so crazy that you have to know like which grasses are like fine and which like it's which way they grow and everything.

1:24:01Like it's crazy. Or at least if you want to be a nerd about it, which I feel like all of the best like athletes in the world are like, they love their profession so much. They want to know it to that detail. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think you get, you get it through experience. I don't think, I mean, did I want to know about different grasses and different greens? I'm like, no, but I, but you have to, you have to learn, you have to learn how, you know, the ball reacts on certain greens. And it just, and I think for me, like, you know, growing up, not from here. And then I guess the first couple of years of my career playing all over the world.

1:24:37So going to the Southern hemisphere, playing in South Africa, playing in Australia, playing in Asia, you know, you just, you, you have to figure it out, you know, and you have to be adaptable. And I think that's been one of the, probably one of the hallmarks of my career. And one of the big reasons for my consistency is I've, I've learned how to play in a lot of different environments.

1:24:58Jason Kelce:Well, I got to say, Rory, probably the most difficult environment I've ever played in was Northern Ireland at a, at a club called Ardglass. Have you played Ardglass before? I have played Ardglass, and Ardglass is the home course of my coach, Michael Bannon. Oh, really? Michael Bannon's been my coach since I was seven years old, and that's his home course. It was stunning, the views, everything, and I got the true Irish Lynx golf experience. I mean, I got all seasons in 18 holes, the front nine, double rain gloved up, like freezing, trying to hit this ball. It was, but I had a blast. There's something about being in those environments, like when it's like that, that you kind of forget about trying to shoot your best round.

1:25:45Jason Kelce:All the stress gets put out of it. It's like, dude, I'm just going to enjoy what's happening right now because this is absolutely crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's a part of it, right? We play an outdoor sport, and I think that is all a part of it. I would say like I grew up in that stuff and you know I've lived in Florida for the last 14 years so I probably got a little soft like I used to be you know after school I'd go out in that stuff and and then I think about like like nowadays it's not it's not a very nice day here and it's like maybe drizzling and I'm like yeah I don't know if I want to go practice today.

1:26:21let me ask you this have you ever are you a double rain glove guy when it gets too crazy or you just i am i think it looks terrible i mean i think it makes us look so soft but it's just yeah it's it yeah yeah you have to be able to hold up you have to be able to hold on to the club i think as well like the the wetter those gloves get like the tackier they get so it's like you don't have to worry about drying your grips or like it just yeah it makes it a bit easier but it does make us look incredibly soft.

1:26:49Jason Kelce:I embrace it. I embrace the softness. I have to, all right. Hey, look, you, you, like you did what you did for a living for a long time. So you're, no one can, no one can say you're soft. Good question that. All right. Fair enough. All right. Do you have a welcome to professional golf moment? We ask every kind of guest here, the welcome to their career. Like what was the moment where you're like, man, I'm really in the, on the PGA tour. Yeah, it was probably even before that. I, um, it's a really, it's a random one. I played in the third round of the Singapore Open in 2008 with Ernie Els. Ernie, the big easy!

1:27:28Ernie, the big easy, who ended up becoming a great friend of ours. But I played with him and it was my first full year on tour. I was doing pretty well. I was trying to get into the top 50 in the world, so I would qualify for all the majors the next year. and I'm paired with Ernie and we tee off the first hole at Sentosa Golf Club. And this is really, I don't know why this sticks out so much, but I hit a three-wood off the tee and he hit a driver and I got up there and I was like 10 yards past him with my three-wood as he was a driver. And I was like, okay, here we go. I was like, holy shit, this is, and that's all it took.

1:28:11I was like, I belong. I just hit my three-wood past Ernie's driver and I belong. That's so badass. That was like a big, you know, Ernie was, he's obviously a great player for major championships and, you know, you know, one of the best players of that generation. And it was just sort of like, and I think I ended up beating them that day by a few shots. And that was like a, that was like a big, it's like a big moment for me. That's crazy. Yeah. 18, 18 years ago. Holding it down for the big guys, swinging the sticks. God, I wish I could have that tempo. Fuck. Dude, appreciate, the time, appreciate the stories, man.

1:28:47Happy birthday again. Thank you for having me on. Thank you. Good luck up in Philly, and we're first over in Charlotte, and then up in Philly, man. You know we'll be watching, always rooting for you, brother. Appreciate it. Thanks for having me on, guys. It's been awesome.

1:29:00Jason Kelce:Alright, thank you to Roy McIlroy, the back-to-back Masters champion. Good luck this week at the Truist, and that conversation was brought to you by Sleep Number once again. And that wraps up another episode of New Heights! Thank you to Kylie Kelsey and Roy McIlroy. Reminder, there are still tickets available for our New Heights live show in LA on June 15th. Check it out in the description. Make sure you subscribe to the New Heights channel on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. Once again, New Heights a wonder show brought to you by Adobe Acrobat. Follow the show on all social media at New Heights show with one S.

1:29:34Thanks to the New Heights production team. You guys are always making us look way better and be way more organized than we ever have been in our life. But thank you to the 92 percenters also for tuning in. Hopefully you guys enjoyed it. And happy Mother's Day to all those mothers out there. Enjoy the weekend, guys.

1:29:58We didn't address that woman referring to it as skin children, though. I feel like we kind of glossed over that in the voicemail that I didn't love. I didn't. I didn't love. I was with her until she said that. And I wanted a more. I didn't want to go there. I did. We all made a face. Everybody made a face when they heard it. We can all just move on. But I did hear it. You heard it too. I didn't hear it. I didn't even understand what that woman was fucking talking about. Didn't love it. I don't like that phrase. I don't think we need to. I think I'm with her until she used that and we can stop that phrase right now.

1:30:29Jason Kelce:That's fair. I'm just real confused on what skin children means. She called her pets her fur children. I saw the fur children. I remember hearing the fur children. She called her pets her fur children, and she said, because I don't have skin children, people don't consider me a mother. Don't like that. Don't pigs have skin? Is that one of the things that's very similar to pigs and humans? That's a great point.