Michael Strahan on Championship Sunday, Super Bowl Predictions, Sack Records and Life After the NFL | EP 177

27:39but you got to work at it. And the harder I've worked in sports, like now everybody goes, you work so hard. You're here, you're there. I'm like, you don't understand what hard work was when you're in training camp. And you guys know two a days and you got to put those wet paths that are still wet from the day before on and run into somebody who you don't want to feel like running into again and fight for the next two hours. You're laying on the ground, the stretch and it's still got that cold morning dew on it. Oh yeah. Yeah. You just, you can't think about you trying to pull, peel yourself out of the bed, that's hard work.

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32:06All right. Before we touch on more of your career, Mike, we want to talk. It's championship Sunday. Let's talk about currently. All right. We got the Super Bowl coming up. Let's talk about Patriots, defeating the Broncos. What did you think of the game? Oh, man. Oh, a Patriots-Broncos game. I thought the Broncos should have won the game. Yeah, it felt like the Broncos should have won the game. I felt like Houston should have won the game. Houston had some bad bounces that went their way on some strip fumbles and all that stuff. If they recover a couple of them fumbles, Will Campbell, everybody wants to get on him.

32:40I'll give him a couple of sacks. He fell on those two fumbles and saved him. And I know nobody tries to play bad, but CJ Stroud just need to give him something, man. He had to give him something. And I felt bad for the kid because I liked the kid. But in big moments like that is when you really need to show up. Like everyone talks about Eli Manning's record is 150, 150, whatever it may be. But in the biggest of moments, that can't show up. He always showed up in the biggest moments. And that is the mark of a real, like, that's how you get over the hump and really get yourself out there. is those big moments you rise up.

33:14But against Denver, I thought that they should have kicked that field goal. Gone up. I know. Early on, man. Early on. Take the point. You knew it was going to be a low-scoring game. Just take it. Yeah, but I don't get these coaches now. Because fourth down now is automatic. Go for it more than it's not. And I get analytics, but you've got to feel the team. You've got to feel the situation. You've got to, you know, I've got to back a quarterback, and this weather is awful. I felt that naked coming from as soon as they thought about it. You know what I mean? Because I believe they called a timeout to think about it.

33:46Yep. I felt it from that point. I'm like, man, they're about to run a little play-action boot. Yep. And I felt bad for Sean Payton because Sean Payton coached me back in 2000 or something like that. I love Sean. And I talked to him the day before the game, very confident in what they were doing. But in playoffs, I felt like just take the points, man. Take the point. Put pressure on New England, especially on the road, to beat you with a great defense like they have. And their defense had been playing great up until that point, right? Like, it was just like, man. And the Patriots defense ain't bad.

34:15So you need to take the points that you can freaking get. When you can, yeah. I hear you. And I think Seattle game was great. I mean, that was a great game. The Rams had opportunities. That fourth down stop on the fourth and goal. Red zone. Yeah. The muff punt. That really was kind of big turning point of the game, even though the Rams came right down and answered. But I'm happy for Sam Darnold. So happy for that dude, man. Yeah. I played in New York. It's hard, man. He comes in here as the third overall pick, doesn't go well, gets beat down mentally, physically, and then five teams in eight years and everyone thinks he's washed.

34:49And then he goes to Minnesota, plays well last year, but then they get beat in the playoffs and they're like, he's done. This guy can't play. Why Seattle pay him all this money? Well, now you see why. I mean, it's been awesome to see the resurgence and to see him answer the critics again. You're always rooting for the guys that have been downed out and to answer that. His ability to take that heat from everybody and still be the calm, cool, collected cat that he is, the confident guy he is in his abilities, man. I'm fucking, I've always been a big fan of his, man. And it's cool to see him finally get it, dog.

35:20But I'm with you. I thought the Broncos had a really, really fucking good chance, even with the backup Stidham in, man. They could have gone either way for him. But what do you feel about the Super Bowl, though? What do you two feel about the Super Bowl? Are we allowed to talk about that now since you got to talk about it, Jason? You know, I've learned about this TV deal. You can't give all your speakers out right now. You got to hold some back. We ain't holding back over here. You know, I think it's obviously, you know, the Seahawks look like the favorite, right? Their defense has been so good all year round.

35:49That offense has been fantastic. Pat's offense has struggled throughout the playoffs. Now, they played some unbelievable defenses, right? They played the Chargers. They played the Houston Texans. Then they've just played the Broncos. they're going to get another test with the Seahawks who have another amazing defense yeah I don't know that people are given New England's defense including myself enough credit like I thought the Broncos I was like I don't think the Patriots are going to move the ball on um on the Broncos but I didn't really think about as much as like this this New England defense the last really three four weeks is playing really good football yeah the way they're blitzing they're doing a good job of mixing mixing up these max pressures and these zone drops and simulated pressures and I just think they're doing a great job as a as an entire unit right now so if I'm picking I'm going Seattle but I'm looking forward to a good game what do you think well I mean Travis you're still playing officially so you can't say nothing okay I can't say anything I'll say this I'm at least interested in in the the big matchup on the outside the numbers now that's gonna be a fun fucking matchup right there through young up and coming get both of them at the top of their game right now.

36:58I'm excited for that matchup. You know what's so funny, man, where we're watching a game and JSN catches a touchdown. He's just catching balls, converting, doing all these things. And we're like, it doesn't even look like he's working. Howie's like, Michael, it doesn't look like he's working. So he catches that touchdown wide open. And I'm like, how in the world have you got to cover anybody? That's the dude. How's he get open? And you know what Howie said to me? He goes, that's the same thing we said about Kelsey.

37:27I said, everybody knows he's going to get in the ball. How the hell did he get open? And I think I said that to you. You did. And I was like, dude, I got to hell. But it's going to be – that's going to be a great matchup, man. It really is. I think Seattle had the edge. I feel like they're just – they're physically a dominant team. Leonard Williams, these guys, I don't think it's going to be a cakewalk because we all know from our win against the Patriots, one game, football's not like the other sports. We get the best of. If you don't show up with your best at one day, it's a wrap. So I feel like Seattle, but anything can happen, of course.

38:04Right there with you, dawg. Let me ask you this. A lot of people complained about that Broncos game this past week because of the weather. Where do you stand on snow games? That's fun. What are you talking about? Are you kidding me? Yes, I knew you'd be anywhere. I knew you were a real one, man. I knew it. You know what? I was like, man, when you hit somebody, you just slide. You know what? It's so bad. Now, if you would ask me, how is it to be like 25 degrees and raining? That's when I'm out there looking going, oh, when it's just over. Cold rain is different than snow. That's a good point. I prefer it.

38:37I prefer. I love snow. I love rain. Warm rain. Probably my favorite thing of all. Oh, interesting. I like sitting outside in the rain. I don't know why I just said that. Let's go. Are you like in the rain or you covered? No, I like being undercover. garage open smell of rain I like that I thought you just walking out there sitting in the rain I'm like it seems like that's something that needs a little deeper discussion in a private setting with somebody called a therapist that's too good man alright let's throw it back to when you were in the Super Bowl man did the 2007 Giants have the hardest path to the Super Bowl ever ever?

39:22yeah Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I probably would say, yeah. I mean, we were a six seed. We had to go to Tampa. Wasn't too worried about Tampa. Yeah, had to go through John Gruden and the Bucs. Then once we went to Dallas, I think a lot of you. All my Stomp You Out speeches, if you look chronologically, I was like, Stomp them out. Dude, they're talking all kinds of cretin. Uh-huh. We got to Dallas. I'm like, yo, it's been a pleasure playing with you guys. But in my head, I'm like, this could be it. This could be it. 15 years, I'm done with nothing. So they were stacked, man. And then we go to Green Bay, and you're in Green Bay, and all your history, the history, the history.

40:01They're like brainwashing you on TV and sitting in your hotel room, and it was so cold that you had a cup of water, warm water, and you threw it up and you just turned into dust. That's crazy. That was so cold, man. But, yeah, I think we had the toughest role. And then we played the only team, I mean, they were undefeated, 18-0, and they had a group of all-stars. We just produced this documentary on our 2007 Super Bowl team that's coming out. And I was watching a cut the other day, and I was watching with a friend of mine, and he go, Randy Voss, Tom Brady, Brewski, Seau, Rodney Harris, he just started naming all these guys.

40:43And I'm like, yeah, this team had... They were beyond that. First season, they were undefeated, yeah. Yeah, they were beyond. So, yeah, I think we had the hardest path, and thank God we won so I could retire. Went out on top, baby. What's the thing you remember most from the run? When we bonded as a team, like we went to London. We went to London to play the Dolphins, and they hadn't won a game. I think they lost every game that year, and we were like, we can't be the team they beat, especially overseas. So we go to London. We end up beating the Dolphins, and I hosted. I like set up a party because, you know, I was the oldest guy there.

41:19I wanted the old guy, but I wanted to make sure I look out for the young guy. That to me, the best way, make sure we're all together. Not this guy. We ain't gone over there, especially in Europe. Half these guys never been out of wherever the heck they were born. So we had the best after party. Plastico birds like Michael. I've had that much fun since college. Like hell. Guys slam dancing. Next thing you know, shirts are off. If you would have walked in there at the wrong time, you probably would have thought it was some other kind of party because you catch them naked, basically, running to each other.

41:50Y 'all getting a little too hype up in here. But we had the best time. But it was just like that bonding. And it got to the point of where we just didn't want to let each other down. I think we won because we didn't want to let each other down and disappoint each other. And we just weren't ready to go home. You know what I'm saying? We're not ready for this brotherhood to end. Yeah, when Tyree caught the ball off the helmet, even before they threw the touchdown to Plaxico, I realized we were going to win the game because I'm like, there's no way you catch like that and the story doesn't have a great ending.

42:20I'll hear you on that, man. It just feels like it's so right. Do you guys think any type of way when you heard that Romo went on vacation? Oh, no. Was there any discussions? No? No, I think what got us, and it's in the doc, Jerry gave the team, each player, their two tickets to the next game, NFC Championship game. He had already given those guys their tickets to the NFC championship game. Like, oh, well, the Giants are pretty are done. Yeah. So here are your tickets already. So we made sure that those tickets were invalid. I love bullets of more material for you. Exactly. Let's keep it in the Giants world.

42:58What do you think of the Harbaugh hire? I love it. I love it. You know, I think it brings credibility, accountability and accountability to the team. I just love the fact that he's an established coach. I think the second he walks in the door, he's getting respect. I think he has a nice young nucleus of players. Dart, I think, could be good. Just got to teach him to get the hell down and stop taking hits. Scadaboo. Scadaboo, I thought, would probably get knocked out before he got hurt in the way he got hurt. I'm like, dude, you can't run like this and have a long career. You got to learn to pick your battle.

43:30You can't knock out a guy like that. You know that. You can't knock a guy out like that. He's just un-knockoutable. if you get in a fight with him you just gotta leave the fight if he was knocked out we would just never know we'd never know he's one of those dudes you ask him what day it is before a concussion he doesn't know exactly if he concussed no that's how he is always don't worry about it every day is Sunday he says this all the time every day is Sunday but I love it that he brought a lot of energy he and Dart brought a lot of energy a lot of swag for these young guys we haven't had that with the Giants it's always been like conservative type stuff But I love – we got a good defensive nucleus, I think, and just some pieces here and there.

44:11But I love Powerball because of the credibility, man, the respect that he's going to demand and accountability because you can't get away with some of that stuff I think some of the guys were getting away with from what I've heard over there. I think he's going to make guys more accountable for their actions and make sure that they focus on playing the game of football, which is what it's all about. That's how you make a living. Focus on it. That's right. That's right. Heck yeah. I got to ask you, this Super Bowl coming up, Is there anybody in the game in the trenches that you're looking forward to watching?

44:40Who are the guys you're like, man, I love watching these guys play? I love watching Leonard Williams. I love watching Leonard, who was with the Giants. We seem like we have great players, and when we let them go, they go on to be all world. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Leonard. I'll tell you this. Everybody in Philadelphia knew how good Leonard Williams was. I can tell you that, man. I thought you were going to say Saquon. I was about to slap him. Well, that one, too. That one, too. But Leonard is the beast of a player. So I love watching Leonard. I just like watching. I like watching D-Live battles because, you know, that's what those trenches is where I lived.

45:14So anytime I see a quarterback back there just bouncing up and down, no pressure, I'm pissed. I ain't going to lie. I'm so pissed. I'm like, dude. And when I see guys running there and just go straight into a guy and they just hold on to each other and dance, I'm pissed. like dude look like you're trying to get there you don't have to get a sack but pressure you make just making them feel your presence could be a disruptor and there are times man i wake up and i'm like i one time i'm gonna lie to you about two years ago maybe even less like man screw this i'm coming back man you know the rivers decided i'm coming back my body feels good and ain't really no surgeries no nothing i'm good you can get you can give them a full a good four or five games huh Just a quick four or five?

46:01I did one workout and I changed my mind.

46:07It made me realize, oh, hell no, that ain't happening. I'm past myself. That's done. Nope. Now I just Google me. Google me. There you go. Yeah. Go on YouTube. Look it up. As an all-time great pass rusher, what would you say, if somebody was going to say, like, how do you rush a passer? What's the art? What are your, like, keys to getting after a quarterback? to beating the offensive tackle. I always tell people, press rushing is about athletic ability. It is, but it's like chess to me. That's why I love doing it. I was known as the bull rusher. You go back and watch me and John Runyon, it was like...

46:44Bro, I have seen those clips over and over again. I love you. It's epic. Yeah. But I had to have strategy against him because that was the strongest. Once he put them hands on you, I might as well just stay down to the next play. But I learned like, you know, and I used to do it to everybody. I know when you watch film and I self scout, like I watch myself to see, but I know guys expect me to bull rush. So you know what I do? Bull rush the shit out of you. First three, the first three rushes up the field, first step, second step, plant, turn head in the chest, lock out and don't stop your feet.

47:22Don't press and then start a rush. Nope. Right through you the whole way. I don't even want a sack. I just want to make you hop and get back in your quarterback's face. And then after I do that, I'll look at you and go, hey, a little bit stronger than it looks on tape, huh? Like you thought you were going to stop that. You knew it was coming and you couldn't stop it. So I hit you with that three, four times. I ain't worried about a sack at that point. Then big down comes up. I run up, plant, give me that same look. If you're a big dude, you don't want to get pushed back. So you squat and you lean, and then I chop you and come across the out round.

47:53Then I beat you. I make the play. And then in your head, you're like, oh, my God, push me back. He beat me to the outside. Next time I come up, I give you that fake power to outside move. Then I give you a power. Then I give you another fake outside power to outside move. And then need another big play. Give you the fake power to outside. Make you think I'm going outside and clubby come inside. Now I beat you straight over you. I beat you outside. I beat you inside. and then I look in your eye and I see you don't want no more. You don't know what's coming. That was to me the strategy and the psychology of football.

48:29But I didn't talk much unless you talk to me. Oh, and that reminds me Greg Olson play. I do remember that play. Oh, Olin Cruz, the center. Oh, yeah. He had pissed me off. He had pissed me off. He had pissed me off. I remember that. He did something. He did something. He was talking and I took it out on Greg. I do remember. You got to know who you're talking shit to, man. Yeah, he was a great player, the Olin. Great player. Now that we're talking a little D-line, O-line, you brought up Runyon. Cam Jordan, one of my favorites to ever go up against, man. Recently just said that offensive linemen aren't athletic.

49:09What's your opinion on that take? If they weren't athletic, I love Cam, by the way. Of course, yeah. He's one of the greats. He had a hell of a long career. but if they weren't that athletic, Cam would be like Deacon Jones that had 100 sacks in a year. First of all, and I wish people at home who really love the game could get a chance to come down and watch some plays from the sideline to see how big, strong, and fast these big dudes are. And footwork. I mean, these dudes are athletes. Jordan Malata? You want to talk about Google, somebody. Google Jordan Malata back when he was playing rugby. And you know what's so funny?

49:47Between Jordan and Lane, we do a lot of Eagles games, obviously, and in person, and I always look at Howie and I say, yeah, man, I wish I'd give him a run for their money. Howie looks at me and he's like, Michael. In my mind, I would give him a run for their money. But then I'm watching him abuse everybody else, but I'm different. Right, right. Well, you were different. You were different, yeah. Nah, dude. You know what's so funny? I literally laugh. I don't remember. Like, I know I play football. and all that stuff and accolades and you guys bring that stuff up. But it's so funny that it's very hard for me to even consider myself to even be like a great football player or, you know, people go, oh, you're a legend, you're in the Hall of Fame.

50:29It's like, yeah, it's kind of weird to me because I played for respect. That's all I, you know, and I guess the respect comes from those type of things. But I did, you know, I play when you're young, you play, you're like, okay, I want to be respected, but I want to make some money, you know. Yeah. But then after a while, you realize making money is not enough to keep you playing a game that's so hard. And it's great. But I wanted respect. I wanted that. And I got that. But it still feels weird to me for all that stuff. I don't know. I feel uncomfortable with it, man. It's weird. You got the respect out of everyone.

51:06And I think that's the reason you got all. Yeah, they're showing you that respect by telling you you're one of the greatest to ever play, man. Well, I appreciate that. And me saying that, I feel like I need one of those therapy sessions when Jason's done with his, I'm up next. Oh, it's all good. Well, listen, Stray, you got it figured out. You already know. You got it all figured out, baby. It's been fun to not only watch you dominate in the NFL, but dominate the afterlife of NFL, man. And you paved the way for a lot of us in that regard, too, and gained that respect for a lot of NFL guys trying to kind of walk that path after the game's over for them, man.

51:40Well, I appreciate it. And I got to say, Jason, you're doing a great job with it. and and you know travis i'm not even gonna get into what you're gonna do but you're gonna be great as well you both are great with this podcast which is which is incredible and um you know and and the one thing that i know and everybody tries to give everybody advice and i'm not trying to give you advice here but i just realized from you straight you know that at some point you never put on another helmet you never put on another pair of shoulder pads you never slide those pants on with the knee pads and thigh pads.

52:10You never tape your wrist again. It's final. There is no big three in the NFL. You know, there is no other league. So I realized for me after 15 years, I'd done everything. There was no way that I was going to cry at a press conference in my retirement because I knew I put everything I had to it. And as long as you know that's final, you'll never do it again, then great. That's how I looked at my career. And everything that came after is kind of, I'm going to say, kind of happened on accident from working hard and enjoying what I'm doing and just having fun. Good things seem to happen. But but yeah, man, it's you guys are crushing it and everything that you do.

52:52I'm happy you invited me on to do this because I've been watching all these podcasts one day. When do I get it? Come on. Come on. You know, you've been at the top of this. I got to say one more thing I got to say, though, for people out there watching about character. OK, both of you have character. You're raised right. Okay. And, and, and Jason, every time I've seen you, you've been the nicest wife and everything that you guys, you've always been great. And, and Travis, you may not remember, and you, you probably do remember, but it said a lot to me. And I tell a guy I was talking to Howie about this with you the other day is I was at the airport and I get out the car and you come coming across the, you got out of your car.

53:33You're already in to come over and say, what's up? Which I didn't even know you were there. and most people sit in that car and be like nah man let it go i ain't go but as like little things like that show character and i always appreciate it appreciated that um from for both of you guys man and like little things like that you think nobody's really paying attention to really mean a lot to a lot of people and um you know i'm always here for you guys if you guys never need anything and i don't i'm not saying that like we've done podcasts and let's keep on going i'm No, no, no. I appreciate that.

54:04And I still got to take you up for some of that golf down there in Florida, man. Man, you know I doubt you. You know I remember that. I haven't forgotten any of that. Florida, Bahamas, I got you covered. There we go. You were kind of talking on the retirement talk, and obviously I'm juggling it all right now. Did you know going into – it sounds like you kind of knew going into that 2007 season that was the last hoorah. I kind of felt like it. but I will say had we lost to the Patriots, I really would have strongly considered coming back. I really would have because it's been like, man, this close, almost like I got to get one more run.

54:39And I'm glad, I'm glad, trust me, I'm glad we won because that was kind of like, okay, what else am I trying to prove? A body feels good. I've won every individual award. Now I've won the ultimate award, which is the Superbowl with my team. So there's nothing else for me to accomplish. And I had a deal already signed with Fox, just had the deal in the drawer and nobody knew about it. So I knew I had a gig after that. And so I was able to kind of ride out to the sunset on my own terms, which is very hard because most people, they don't get to end their careers the way they want to end it. So whenever you have that opportunity, man, you're blessed.

55:17And so I realized I didn't want to stick around and be on the team. And I had my heart wholeheartedly into the game and just stick around for what a paycheck, stick around. I was one of these young guys and go, hey, I remember when you used to be. And I'm like, shit, I'm still here. What you talking about used to be?

55:35So, yeah, man, I kind of went into it with the idea that that was going to be it. And I also went into it with the attitude that I don't care about a pro bowl. I don't care about sacks. I don't care about nothing. I just want to have fun with the guys for once. How about it, man? Because a lot of the other years, man, the other 14, I'm so worried about winning. if guys are on their game. And I started saying, hey, we're all grown. You got to be on your game. I could motivate in every way I can, but guys are going to have to show up on their own. And they did. Thank God. You mentioned you already had the Fox deal inked.

56:05At what point did you know you were going to go into broadcasting? Oh, man. You know, I started just doing stuff because it was fun. Yeah. Yeah, I was with you. Hey, Mike, do you want to do this? Back then, they had a show called Best Dance Sports Show, period. Come on now. Come on. That was an incredible like breeding ground to like get your feet wet in television. And so I would go on it on a bi-week. I would go and host a week of it. I tried to deal my last year or so where every Monday I would go sit in front of a camera and I would have to do the show every Monday. Win or lose. I always showed up because, you know, I signed up to do it.

56:41You show up regardless. But doing that show kind of gave me a vibe for broadcasting. Let me know I could. I would like it. I did a Super Bowl for ESPN when I was still playing ABC. I did CBS. I did Fox. I did all the networks. And I didn't really know guys made a good living doing it, be honest with you. I thought football was like, man, this is the best opportunity I'll ever have. That's the opportunity I'll ever have. And so broadcasting was never on my forefront of my life. And I'm very much like this. When I'm in something, you get everything from me. It's my primary. All the other secondary stuff, and I'll make it work, but I'm not affecting my primary gig.

57:21So Brock has one still secondary to me. And I think I got a call from one of these network executives who asked me to go to breakfast with him. So I meet him at breakfast, and the first thing out of his mouth was, how much longer do you want to play football? And I never thought about it. And that let me know, damn, they're looking at me to actually have a job, and I'm done playing, commentating? And I went to Fox out of all the networks because it was the most fun. It was the most fun. And it's like I hang out with my teammates and we laugh and we joke and we have more fun off camera as much as we more than we have on camera, which we have a ton on camera.

57:56It's it's more about personalities. And and to be honest with you, we don't. It's entertainment, you know. Right. For sure. People sit in meetings all week. You want to watch a football show? Like watch another meeting? Or you want to make a fun man? You want to have fun with. So that's why I ended up with Fox. But I realized probably my last two years in the league that there was an opportunity for me outside of the game. But forget about sports. All the other stuff after that, I had no clue. That's what's really the most eye-opening is how much you've done in TV. Like you're doing the Fox and all that.

58:32You're doing morning shows. You got game shows. What brings you the most joy that you do on television? Football. Still? Nothing would ever change that. Nothing. I love it. Don't get me wrong. I love doing the news. I love it. You know what? Because it keeps me interested in the world. It keeps me engaged with so many things that are going on and keeps me very aware of what's going on, which I think is important. And I get to talk to interesting people. I get to travel the world to do interesting stories. So that part I love. That's awesome. I love the game show was great. But we shoot a whole season in a week or two.

59:09That's what's crazy about that stuff. Yeah. It's the rapid fire, man. Yeah. And you and Travis know, because I was telling Travis, I watched your show. I dove in a little bit, man. You already know those shows can get crazy, man. And it's, I got more comfortable as it went on, but that's a different world that, that, you know, I have fun with and I, and I'm sure you did too, man. But I think, I think I'm right there with you, man. There's just something about talking about football and being around the game and given, given the expertise that you've gathered over, over the years. It's also this, and I want to, I'm sure you would back this up, Mike, but one of the things you miss most about playing is just being around the guys.

59:48Like nothing replaces being around football players. I don't know why it is you miss that locker room. Like that's the thing that you miss most about the game, or at least that's what I do. And once you're back on a set talking ball, it's not even that you're – it's kind of talking ball, but it's also just being around like-minded guys that think about the game the same way. The sense of humor is the same. And you get flashback to that, you know, sitting at the cafeteria table, making fun of whoever it is or talking about, do you see what that guy did last week? I don't know. We're on a group chat.

1:00:20I don't want to show you what they already said since we ended on Sunday.

1:00:30We're on a group chat, and we talk year-round. Even Jimmy's still involved on it because he's part of the history of the show. And the crazy thing is, there is no age gap when we're all together. You know what I mean? Jimmy is 80-something, Terry is 70-something. And you feel that when you're watching it. You do. You really do feel that. There's no age gap that we can make fun of each other and we play off each other, but we respect each other. And everybody has accomplished more in their life and in football and in sports than we ever imagined. So this is like gravy. And we're so grateful. And there's no attitude.

1:01:05There's no anything about any individual. We're very much about our team and about, you know, loving each other and making sure we each are all of us are are taken care of and validated and happy. And I think that's a big part of why our show works. And, you know, but you had a group chat and all the other stuff. And I found like the older guys, Terry, Jimmy, they're the least mature of all of us. They're the age, man, when we be back in the green room, they say some stuff you're going to do. You can't think. I didn't say that on there. Don't say that with the mic on. They grew up in a different era.

1:01:40They grew up in a different era. Yeah, exactly. Well, they're the end of Fox NFL Sunday. I got to ask you, you talked about the Fox family, the addition of Robert Gronkowski. Gronk joined the Fox family not too long ago, man. You got to tell me what it's like working with Gronk, man. You know what I always say? And it's kind of like Terry. People think that Terry Bradshaw is great. Terry's one of the smartest people I know. I said, Terry, you've done better in your life playing a dumb guy than anybody I've ever met.

1:02:09Terry's a brilliantly smart guy in the businesses, the horse business, all these other things that he does. And I think I feel the same about Gronk. Gronk is an incredibly, first of all, he's probably the sweetest human being on the planet. The dude is like one of the nicest human beings. And one thing I realized from my experience of coming into Fox after they've been on the air for 20 years or whatever, 18, 19 years without having anybody else come in. And here I show up. It's intimidating because you're looking at guys that you watched that you were a kid and you admired who are now you're sitting next to them.

1:02:43But it's tough fitting in. And Gronk has done an incredible job of fitting in, first of all. And secondly, I think that Gronk has done a great job of fighting his lane because that's the hard part. When you got personalities were established, what's your lane? This is my lane. That's your lane. But he's getting more. And I love he get more comfortable because he's still not quite comfortable. And I don't blame him. But he gave more comfortable. And I always tell him sometimes, dude, don't wait for us to wait for the jump in. You got something to say. Just jump in. We're like very casual. Guys will shut up and let you have your take.

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1:06:31You can just tell us to fuck off. But We Gotta Ask is brought to you by Allstate. Oh, boy. You do not have to answer. Yeah, you can tell us to fuck off. I'll be honest with you. It's kind of hard not to answer, though. I kind of like skating on the edge, man. There we go. All right, here we go. Well, talk about skating on the edge of the atmosphere. What was it like going to space? Amazing. Dude. Crazy because the whole thing was like 12 minutes. Boop, boop. Felt like hours. What? Really? To be in the light and you're looking up at space, looking at the darkness up there, and then the rocket starts taking off.

1:07:04And it's not like Apollo 13 movie with Tom Hanks. You're like, come on, come on. It's kind of small. It's just gradual. It's like a gradual push. And you're looking at your little screen because each seat has a little screen. It tells you the altitude, the speed. You're like, oh, 40 ,000 feet. I've been in a plane. Then you're looking down. Then you look back. It's like you're 200 ,000 feet. You're 2 ,000 miles per hour or something crazy. And you're going, oh, my God, this is real. And the design of the ship is amazing. When it goes up, it's designed to twist. So you don't have to turn your head.

1:07:36Just look out your own window and you get to see the full 360. Because there's an emergency booster in the middle. So you got to keep your head back because something happens and that shoots you off. That shoots you off at 9 Gs. when you're going out it's like three and a half yeah like your top gun or something but the gradual push up is like three and a half g's i want to say coming down it's like five g's but when you get up there and they release the main rocket from the capsule and they go oof and then you realize oh my god my arms are flowing and then the lights go off you can undo your belt put your belt up and you but you you push as hard as you to your two fingers like holding the cell phone like that kind of pressure and then i'm doing flips man my my big ass has never done a flip i haven't done flips i was a kid i'm doing like flips we had a little mini football that you do like that and it just goes it doesn't none of it's just and blowing in one space and doing like the cartoons where you're flapping does nothing you'll just sit in one spot and then um it's just amazing to float around you're looking back at earth and it's like you're watching when you leave your um your Apple TV on too long.

1:08:46And it was literally you. I want the best parts with Sean's kind of creepy is that you have to come to terms with death. Oh, wow. And by that, I mean, before you take off, you become so relaxed and free. Best way to put it. You just come so free. If it's God's will, this is what it is. This is how I go. And believe me, though, I was happy to come back. but everybody on the ground was crying and stuff with my mom my mom was like your dad did worse he was jumping out of planes all the time he's a paratrooper I'm like well damn mom you know what come on but everybody else was crying but all of us on there were just so happy man so filled with joy and it was it was um it was one of the best things I've ever done in my life without a doubt Wow.

1:09:40That is incredible. That's what I wanted to hear, baby. And that was a long explanation, but I know I loved every second of it, man. I'm so in. I tell you, you would love it. They do an incredible job from start to finish. And I would highly recommend it. If you get the opportunity to do it, I would jump on it in a heartbeat. It's life changing. And a lot of ways makes you realize how insignificant you are on this in the world. But it also makes you realize how important you are to the people that matter the most to you because I'm on there thinking about my family and like I'm not ready to leave them and they're not ready for me to leave either like it really puts a lot of things in perspective that is beautiful man you've done so much Mike what's next what is the next thing for Michael Strahan a retirement like full just all around

1:10:33You know what? Yeah. They're in the way at some point, some, some, some, some point, man, you know what it is? I love Fox. I absolutely love that. But I just want to work so much. And then I want to go here. I want to go there. And I can't do a lot of things because I got these commitments and schedule stuff. And I think at some point I have to look at time lived and time left. I got you. You know, I hear you guys are young, man. Y 'all, y 'all, y 'all enjoy. You got more time ahead of you than behind you. I got more time behind me than ahead of me. So I'm starting to look more in that vein of life.

1:11:07And I'm not just going to completely disappear. But another thing is I love business and I got a lot of other businesses that I do. And I'm and those things interest me like football did because I have had to learn them. Like I had to learn football later. And I love doing those things. And I think I could get a lot of, you know, validation or of just, you know, not not feeling completely retired and doing nothing. But that gives me enough. And on top of that, I still I do Fox until they throw me off of Fox. Man, I want to be 80 years old on Fox, but I stick around a little bit longer. You got some fun stuff coming up on with Smack Entertainment, right?

1:11:48You guys got some docuseries coming coming out, right? Yeah, we got a docuseries coming out. Coach Vic. And this is the second one we did with Mike. Because, Mike, we did the evolution of the black quarterback with Vic. Yeah. And which Andy Reid, your coach, played a big part in that doc. Because think about the quarterbacks. He's been Gnav, Vic, all these guys that he really brought in and gave a chance when other people probably wouldn't have. So he's been very instrumental in that. So that documentary, I mean, that and now we have Coach Vic and his foray into coaching at Norfolk State. That's right.

1:12:23Norfolk State, baby. Him and Deshaun Jackson going at it right there. Two former Eagle greats. I came down for GMA, and I was at the stadium, and we had both of them there because they were doing the game there and at the link. And I'm like, I felt out of place in Philly, man, all that Eagle stuff. I'm like, we could have done this at a neutral site. Don't bring me over here to interview these guys like this. but you know right so we got we got um coach vick coming up we also we have a movie coming out too i'm going to screen it uh right after we get done here and and that one is about john madden we did the documentary on the mad video game john yeah oh man and then we did bill belichick on the madden madden cruiser for the super bowl in new orleans we produced that and now we're doing the madden movie with david o russell directing christian bell plays al davis uh nicholas case plays john madden and so that i'm going to screen now because that's man i can't fucking wait man that's gonna be good that looks awesome man that looks so fucking awesome it's gonna be incredible and obviously john madden is he's one of the biggest personalities that i i like he was the world when i was growing up and i can only imagine what it was to actually be like be in a room with him and to enjoy who he was as a person, man.

1:13:42Well, you know, those pregame meetings. I mean, imagine doing those pregame meetings and you're meeting with John Madden. Yeah. That's crazy. And then you're at the stadium and that bus is sitting there and you're like, oh my God, John Madden. That was more pressure than freaking John Runyon. Right.

1:14:01I got to ask, you brought up John a couple of times. I do got to ask you this. I see the highlights and I see a lot of Michael Strahan highlights. I know you've always given John his credit as being tough, physical, but what was it really like? What was it like for Michael Strahan going up against John Runyon? Tough. Easier when he first got there because he was in Tennessee. And then when they brought him to Philly, the whole thing was, oh, we brought him to Philly to stop Strahan, which pissed me off. So I studied John Runyon more than I probably studied anybody. Anybody. I could tell what he was going to do before he could do it.

1:14:35I could tell he was going to fart before he farted. That's how much I knew that cat, right? But I will say, as we played each other more and more over the years, the tougher it got, the more savvy he got. He and Eric Williams with the Dallas Cowboys were my number one toughest guy. John Runyon and Leon Searcy, who was an offensive tackle, played at Pittsburgh and then at Jacksonville, were 2A and 2B. and so freaking strong and tough and smart. And I love John because John made me a better player. Those three I named made me a better player because playing against them made everybody else seem easy.

1:15:17And even at my Hall of Fame induction, John Kane, which meant the world to me. And I had to give him a shout out. I had to give him a shout out. So I said, John Runyon, 6 '7", 350 pounds, whatever, of twisted steel and no sex appeal. So... I'm not going to give him a compliment. Hell no! Could you have ever called out that he was going to be the VP of rules and policy and handing additional fines for guys that are given late-hitting cheap shots? You know, it's kind of like, what's that catch-me-if-you-can character? That's exactly what he's doing. I hired a guy who does the crime so that he knows who the cat's doing the crime.

1:16:05John, man, I couldn't believe it. I'm like, how are you fining anybody? We should go and retroactively fining your ass for what you were doing.

1:16:17Oh, man, that's so fucking good. All right, man, we got to wrap and get you out of here, big dog. We appreciate the time, but we always end these interviews or these talks with a welcome to the NFL moment, man. What was your welcome to the NFL moment, Dre? Oh, man. I've had, well, one was I was actually playing in the game. The other one, I was just actually a rookie at the game. As a rookie at the game, we were playing the 49ers in the playoffs in San Fran. And I just remember being there, and I'm coming from Texas Southern, man. I'm watching Steve Young, Jerry Rice, Ricky Waters, all these guys.

1:16:56And I'm like, can I have your autograph? That's what I wanted you to do. I wanted an autograph. A lot of hearing those Jerry Rice coming out there running like a damn stallion. That was the most amazing, amazing thing. But my welcome to the NFL moment was playing the Cowboys, playing against Eric Williams. And we're out there. We're fighting, man. We're battling. And I'm like, you know what, mother? You wait till next time. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. He looked at me and he said, let me tell you something, young fella. That may happen in the future. But right now, you just take this whipping like a girl.

1:17:26You just take this ass whipping like a man. You just take this ass whipping like a man. Oh, my gosh. Whoa, okay. And he was right. You got to take that ass whipping like a man. And that was my welcome to the NFL. There's some bad boys out here. You know, always king of the jungle. I love that. That is so good. That's similar to mine. I've told this. We probably won't even put it in the episode. but I got to tell you this after that. I got Jay Ratliff with the Cowboys, and it was my first time playing like a head-up nose or a 5-0 and everything, so it's me and him one-on-one, and he was whooping my ass.

1:18:06Like, I could not block him. He didn't have a sack. I get a holding call later in the game, and I didn't think it was a good call. I start yelling at the ref, and I look back at Jay. I'm like, man, you know that's some bullshit. He's like, son, I've been whooping your ass all day. I had to figure I deserve one of them. You know what? I ain't got nothing to say. Yo. You're right. But we all have that one guy, man. Yeah. All got that one guy. And we all had those moments. But, hey, if you didn't have those kind of moments, you didn't play football. Seriously. Seriously. Who was yours? What was your moment?

1:18:40I had about five of them. I had a guy. I had one of those guys on every team, actually. It was just about, you know, the one I saw twice a year was Von Miller, though. Von, when they were on those Super Bowl runs with Peyton, man, Von, he was a beast and he was mean, man. I've learned to know Von. Von is like he's a great guy, like just an A1 human being. But, man, when he, in between those whistles, he was trying to embarrass you. I tell you what, man, I was in the Bahamas and then Von came over to hang out. I'd never seen somebody with legs that big. Oh, yeah. He's an animal now. Really? I wouldn't have expected that.

1:19:24I didn't even know he was more splendor. I didn't either. I was like, I mean, I should be climbing on another man's ass and legs, but I was like, damn. Damn. If I was built like that, you know what I'm saying?

1:19:40He produces some torque. Yeah, he produces some torque, man. With that being said, though, before we go, I got to give a shout out to my guy, Miles Garrett, though. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. He's had an incredible season. Unstoppable, unblockable player, man. I've never, you know, usually a guy has like one move or something like that on the counter. There's nothing he doesn't have. And it's crazy. You watch him and you're going, ah, how could a guy that big be that fast and lean that low? How could a guy be that big and that strong and run somebody over? How does he open at the hips and come inside?

1:20:10He's such a savvy ball player too, man. He knows what's coming. But yeah, congrats to Miles, man. An incredible season. I'm so happy for him. And he really is a good dude, man. I've had a chance. You don't have lunch and spend some time with him and hit him up and talk to him before and after that. And I always try to encourage him because, as you guys know, we play and pretty soon we're just another guy who played in the league in so many ways. And it's time for the next generation. And you just got to encourage them because I always had guys encourage me. And I hate to see when, you know, old guys, we tear down these young players.

1:20:45Game's different. Pay is different. All these things are different. That's part of the game. I remember making$3 million a year, and I was the highest paid defensive end in the league, and that was a big deal because I was making as much or more than Bruce Smith and Reggie and all those guys. And then I ended up jumping up like$8 million a year, and that was unheard of. Now, five times that would probably be the going rate. But you can't think back because back then, that was doing well in those times. So I always want to encourage these young guys. I always want to encourage these older guys, encourage these young guys, man.

1:21:19Don't just look at them as if you didn't play in my era and you couldn't play. Okay. Okay, fine. They weren't born. What can you do? Mine are parents. No doubt. No doubt. We can go ahead and leave it right there. That was beautifully said, big dog. And I can't thank you enough for the wisdom, just you being you, your personality. Seriously. I'm telling you, man, what you've been to just me as a player and always reaching out and being kind, man. I can't thank you enough for being you, big dog. Well, I appreciate you both for having me, man. And really, in all sincerity, I think you two are the best.

1:21:49So keep on doing it. And I love the brotherly love. And I love the fact that you guys are just who you are and you're being yourself. And that's the magic of the Kelsey brothers, man. Come on now. Thank you, big dog. I appreciate it, Mike. You're the best, brother. All right, fellas. Straight in, baby. Straight in. You're the best, man. Appreciate the time, dog. Once again, that was We Gotta Ask brought to you by Allstate. All right. Let's wrap up this episode with some Stamps of the Week. Stamp of the Week is brought to you by Adobe Acrobat. Jets fans finally have a quarterback sort of in the Super Bowl.

1:22:24Look at this. Jake Chatsky. I hope the Patriots get fucking shit rocked in the Super Bowl.

1:22:32That's an hilarious tweet, though. I'm fully biased. I fucking hate the Patriots. They've ruined the majority of my football watching life. You're putting the Patriots at fault for the Jets being an awful organization? As a Jets fan, I don't like the Patriots. Jason, you don't like the Cowboys. I understand how fandom works. Right. I'm just saying don't blame the Patriots for your guys' practice of what football has been played. Well, yes, I agree. Fine. Those are separate issues. But when one of the teams that is like my bitter rival has six Super Bowls and all this success, and then I have to hear about Patriots fans like going through a hard time in their rebuild of what, four fucking years and two quarterbacks.

1:23:16And that's it. Yeah, it's bullshit. And so I hope that they get fucking shit on the Super Bowl. To me, it is. To me, it is. I don't think it's bullshit. I think they went out and got a great head coach and then they found a great quarterback. I don't think it's bullshit. I mean, yeah, that's it. Well, it's just I can never have nice things. The Jets just keep fucking up. And like you can't have nice things. You can just turn in that Jets green for some Patriots gear and you can have nice things. You make me puke. No, I would not. That's going to make you puke more than your experience with the Jets over the past however many years?

1:23:58I'm a loyal guy. I will be loyal to the Jets until the day that they finally kill me, which is probably how I'll end up dying. But I will not turn my back on the team, even though they keep making dumb decision after dumb decision. And if the Patriots weren't smart enough, they'd probably have Gerard Mayo and we'd have Mike Vrabel. So like that makes it even worse is that I have to watch Mike Vrabel, who is in all likelihood probably going to be the Jets coach last year. Go do this with the Patriots. It's just it's a nightmare of errors. We should have had Sam Darnold. He should still be our quarterback.

1:24:29But no, he had to like go to five different teams before he could go to the Super Bowl. And now I just have to root for Sam Darnold to avenge his ghosts. And let me have like a slight win in the fact that Patriots fans will not be happy. How many great Jets players are playing in the Super Bowl? Yeah, Sam Darnold. Another one people don't want to talk about, Leonard Williams. Leonard Williams was a standout with the Jets. Yep. Who else? There's got to be some other names that I'm not even thinking about that are playing in this year. I lost to Leonard Williams in the Jets, yeah. I can't think of many off the top of my head.

1:24:58All I'm saying is it doesn't sound like you can blame the players or the Patriots. I just don't want good things to happen to that franchise. In particular, like, the people who root for that franchise are like people who have been tormenting me personally for 30 years and those people don't change you know what i mean like the patriots fans who are rooting for tom brady and being like ha ha fuck the jets they're the same people who get to enjoy drake may now so i understand it's like a different team but i will not be happy for that all right that's understandable understandable who you rooting for trap i probably you know i like i fucking love a good mike vrabel story man I love Vrabes.

1:25:39He's always been the fucking best, man. He just felt like he would have been an awesome coach to play for. But I do love the Sam Darnold story. I got a lot of guys over in Seattle that I admire. It's a tough one. There's a good storyline on both of them. Cincinnati Bearcats got Kobe Bryant over there playing DB. I'm rooting for him. I'm rooting for A.J. Barner, another Cleveland kid, both of those guys out of Cleveland. So I don't know. Sam Darnold is – I like that story right now. And to see him flourish would be pretty damn cool to see him go from where he's been to winning a Super Bowl. I like Sam Darnold.

1:26:17I love the Seahawks defense. I like the way they play. There's just a certain amount of respect that you have. Kenneth Walker, the way he was running this last game, oh, my gosh. He's a beast. But then there is – like, I like Drake May. I like the rookie quarterback. I like Braves. There's nothing to not like about the Patriots. It's just the story of the Seattle. I like, I don't know, man. I like that defense over there in New England. I like Milton Williams, my former teammate. Mac Holland's my former teammate. Yeah, it'll be interesting. I can't wait to watch it. Mac Holland is like Anderson Vergeau.

1:26:47He is, which you know I was a big Anderson Vergeau fan. Who was it if you were a Cavs fan? I do think, I think teams overthink the third receiver sometimes. I think Mac Holland's a big receiver. Dude, he is ace. He's been amazing everywhere he's been. He really has. That's what I'm saying. I feel like they're always trying to get this shifty route runner. It's like, dude, it's so much better. Get the guy that just plays ball, man. Dude, get into 11 personnel and have a guy that can do all these things that you can do out of 12 if you want to play nickel. I don't know, man. I just think he – and then it's also like a mismatch height-wise and size-wise for a lot of the safeties trying to guard him.

1:27:26Anyways, all right. Let's get back on track. Stand for the week. Stand for the week. Stand for the week. I'm going to go our old Cincinnati GA. Yeah, Jesse Minter. Obviously, his father is a well-renowned coach in the college and NFL. And Minter has been unbelievable since he's been with the Chargers, really since he's been in Michigan under Harbaugh. But now is the new head coach of the Baltimore Ravens. Has some big shoes to fill over there in Baltimore. But happy as hell for you, Coach Minter. And good luck in the AFC next year, brother. That's a great one, Trav. I love that one. I'm going to go, I mean, we just talked about hating the Cowboys and Jets Jake hating the Patriots.

1:28:06I'm going to go with former Cowboy Demarcus Lawrence. This is a great quote, man. Dude, he called this back then, and when he said it, I was like, this is a bit much. But God damn, I got to give him credit now. Demarcus Lawrence said back in March when he signed in Seattle and left Dallas Cowboys, where he had been his whole career. He said, Dallas is my home, but I know for sure I'm not going to win a Super Bowl there. And DeMarcus Lawrence is now going to the Super Bowl with the Seattle Seasaw. God damn it. And it's aged very well. He also got into a back and forth with Michael Parsons over this, where Parsons was kind of calling him out on his podcast or whatever platform that was.

1:28:43And D-Law shot some words back at him. And now neither are in Dallas. Yeah, there's one common denominator. But either way, yeah, DeMarcus Lawrence is, you know, this has aged very well to age even better if they end up pulling the win off against the Patriots. and maybe I should wait on this. Should I wait until after the Super Bowl to make this the stamp of the week? Is it not good enough until he's won the Super Bowl? Nah, I see. You got to cash. Yeah, you got to cash in on that when you can. Just the fact that you called this and you're in it is enough for me. And that wraps up stamp of the week brought to you by Adobe Acrobat.

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1:30:13tiktok was trying to ban me trav only three ticks in they were trying to talk me what'd you post i think it was because i had tiktok in my username my username was at jason kelsey hates tiktok and they were like we can't have that on the platform it didn't really give me a lot of good answers and then when we reached out it was like you can't have tiktok in your name so i thought about doing like jason kelsey hates this app and i was like you know it's not worth it let's just get jason kelsey's that's why jake's best in the biz he said just use your name i'm getting banned like tomorrow what'd you post i sometimes leave comments and sometimes those comments aren't what people would call helpful give us a mundane one that isn't going to get you in trouble if it's a front-facing video and you're in your car recording it i know i'm in for a bad time the The second you get this and it's like, all right, guys, let's talk.

1:30:51I'm like, I'm already furious. If the car is moving and you're talking into your camera, furious. I'm not a big selfie taker, but my TikTok right now, I have two that open up on my face and I think they're funny. So I got to break that trend. You'd be fine. It's ironic when you do it. It's funny when you do it. When people are generally want to see their own face is when I get disgusted. Why are you this self-confident? What is wrong with you? You shouldn't feel this good about yourself. All right, I'm going to yell into this camera. Let's do this.