NFL Draft Preview, New Additions & Why Charlize Theron Loves Stunts, Serial Killers & More | EP 188

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23:23Jason Kelce:All right. The Jets Super Bowl is tomorrow. And I can say that because I'm a Browns fan growing up, which is also their Super Bowl. That's right. The NFL draft is this week. Oh, man. Taking strays already. It's fucking April. That's right. We're recording this on a Monday. So the Dexter Lawrence trade is the biggest draft news right now, which is fucking huge. He goes from the NFC to one of our AFC rivals. And don't love that because Sexy Dexy is a big piece to being a really good team. There's a picture of him going viral, and he's just like, of course, he's huge. Enormous. And people are like, oh, my gosh, he's out of shape.

23:59Jason Kelce:Like, guys, he's a fucking nose-go. You think he was like, he's going to be just fine. What should I wear? Maybe I should wear something like a black shirt or something. Something slimming. Yeah. There ain't no slimming that motherfucker. He came through. I'll speak on Dexter because I had to block him. I mean, and for me, I feel very lucky that I got to play him young in his career before he had figured out all my tricks that I tried to use against him. Because that was the only way I was surviving. You know, what's really interesting with Dexter is he really flourished when Week Martindale got to New York.

24:29Jason Kelce:And used a lot more five-man fronts, head up on the center, shades on the center. He got a lot of one-on-one matchups. And he would just, I mean, there was not really a lot of centers in the NFL that could block him. And he's still great rushing from the three technique in the B gap over guards. But that was like kind of when it really took off. And Wink would also bring these blitzes from all over the place. So you had to be worried about that stuff as well. So you couldn't just double them. It'll be interesting to see how he's utilized in Cincinnati. You know, Al Golden predominantly four down.

25:02Jason Kelce:He'll play five man fronts. You know, getting this guy, I would really try and find ways to give him one-on-one matchups with the center, put him over the center and zero techniques and one techniques early downs. You know, I'm obviously not a defensive coordinator. I don't know the ramifications for a lot of that stuff. I just know watching the tape from a few years when Wink was the D coordinator and he was doing that, he was virtually like unblockable. I mean, you would watch the tape and it's like, God damn, guys, like just destroying centers. And I mean, he is a massive, if you mean, he's every bit of six, every bit of six, four, if not 6 '5", over 340 easily and can move.

25:43Jason Kelce:He's a dancing bear. And you see it when he's doing his sexy dexy, which you do not want to see. So this is a big ad for the Bengals. I hope they utilize him in a way that really accentuates when he's had the most success in his career. So, yeah, big move for the Bengals. A big pick. This is the first time the Bengals, I think, have given up a top 10 pick for another player in a long time. I saw some stat that is not in the rundown, but they haven't traded away a top 10 pick for a player in a long time. They've kind of been notorious for going through the draft instead of kind of giving guys contracts like this.

26:24But, I mean, Sexy Dexy, he got them at least a one-year for 28, was it? Whatever it is, it's top of the market for nose guards. I thought it was going to be way up there.

26:34Jason Kelce:Yeah, I mean, he's a little bit of an outlier because he's a nose guard, but he also rushes on third down at the three-technique spot. So I think he's so dominant when used properly or in ways that he has been dominant that it's worth every penny. And controlling the middle of an offensive line stops the run. It generates pressure to allow edge rushers and people to get after the quarterback in the pass. It's a really good building block for a defense. and they already have Joe and T and, oh my God, why am I blanking? Jesus Christ, Brown. Chase Brown, are you frozen? No, I'm trying to see where you're going with this.

27:21Jason Kelce:Well, they already have all that on offense. So obviously they come with this piece. Jamar Chase. God damn it. Chase Brown was the safety for the Eagles. I was waiting for you to kind of help me, but you just let me flounder there. Thank you, Travis. I floundered as well. I was like, hmm, who is he talking about? They already have T. Higgins. They already have Jamar Chase. They already have Joe Burrow. They have a lot of offensive firepower. They know that they want to win now. They go out and get Dexter Lawrence. Hopefully adds a lot to it. Defense that has really been a weakness there in Cincinnati.

27:51Jason Kelce:Look forward to seeing what that looks like this season. Hell yeah. Trav, who are the Chiefs taking? I don't know. In the draft days. We're going to find out. You're lying. You know exactly who you're taking. I know. They always tell the players. They tell me everything. Um, no, I think, uh, I'm just hoping for a guy that loves ball, man. You know, I think one of the things that you just want to have when you get back into the building after a season like last year, man, you just want guys that love what they're fucking doing. And I think it's, uh, it's, it's one of the things that I look for in these young guys when they come in is this, how infectious is your energy?

28:25I need that out of these young guys, man. Uh, and, and, and sometimes, you know, it's a, it takes a little bit for a guy to like get comfortable in his shoes and really like show his personality. But coach Reed says it best, man. We want you to show that personality. We want you to be yourself and, and bring the energy to the, to the building, to the everyday grind that we can just go and unleash out on Sundays. And I think, you know, that's one of the biggest things I'm looking forward to in seeing who we're going to go and draft this year is you know, how much energy and how much fun they're bringing to the, to the squad.

28:57Jason Kelce:If you're conducting a top 30 visit, what is your number one question to see if a guy's got it your knowledge of the game i don't know there's one question there's no there's no one question i'm gonna i'm gonna ask you questions about you know a lot of things in terms of your knowledge for the game how you acquire that knowledge what's that process look like um you know i think uh i think a lot of these young guys at least what i what i've seen in college football from the time that i've been there to to now is just that leap into the league you just don't know that you don't know enough about football and so the guys that the guys that have a good understanding of of what the other side of the ball is doing um has a good understanding of uh of how to have success multiple ways through the offense that's in place.

29:52I just think it's, it's, you get a head start on that. And, and, you know, I, I want the guys that are ready to play now, especially if you got two first round picks, I want the guys that are ready to play right fucking now.

30:04Jason Kelce:You know, this is my thing when the top 30 visits, like, I feel like a lot of the responses are so like pre-planned by guys. It's hard to know when a guy is like being himself when he's trying to do what an agent tells them like I just I don't put too much stock into asking questions there if you want to like put guys through tests on the board there's certain positions obviously like quarterback center where like it's good to get a gauge of like what their football IQ is put question or give them like verbiage the first day then when you get with them the following morning you re-ask verbiage to see how well they retain information I've heard questions like I know it uh one of the questions they used to ask a lot was like are you a dog or a cat person and some coaches felt like dog people were more like team-centric whereas cat people were more like isolated as individuals i think no i think a lot of it is so nonsense what was the craziest uh top 30 visit you went through i only did two i only so i did three i take that back i did a kansas city chiefs one i did one with thest louis rams who coach magnola was the head coach of at the time sat down with him in the office and then i did a late visit with the eagles and that's when i first met Howard Mudd and Yu Jing Chung, the assistant online coach.

31:17Jason Kelce:And I felt like of all the visits, the Eagles visit felt like it went the best. I felt like the whole process, the Chiefs were the most interested. So I thought there was a chance I would go to Kansas City. But for some reason, leaving that building, leaving NovaCare, it felt like Howard Mudd, me, I got to talk to Andy. It felt like the whole visit went really well. And it felt like there was a lot of interest there too so um i don't remember like any crazy things what about you what's the craziest question you got they put me in uh i was coming out in 13 mike shanahan was still a head coach in the national football league and he was a head coach at washington and that was the legendary like lafleur obviously kyle shanahan mcveigh sean mcveigh yep all these that's where it all originated yep well it really originated in denver with mike and gary kubiak but yeah yeah you already know that was so i didn't even know at that time meeting all those guys in that building was going to turn out to be what it is today the craziest thing that ever happened i wasn't even in a room with a football coach they sent me to like a shrink and i started doing these little table games like yeah like problem solving like games like i was like a toddler almost and it was like Like, how do you put all the rings onto this, you know, hole without, you know what I mean?

32:40It's like little games like that. And they would time it and they would ask you questions afterwards. And it's just like problem solving games. And the shrink in front of me looked like they were just like jotting down like numbers and like scores and all this shit. I'm just sitting here. I'm like, what the fuck does this have to do with football at all? I kind of love it, though. I guess this was kind of one of the things that Shanahan does. Yeah, I was going to say. Yeah. This is one of the things that Shanahan does that kind of gives him an understanding of how well you can problem solve. And how well.

33:14And process. And process and how quickly you can do it and how quickly you can figure something out on your own without being told what the point of the game is. And I think that was kind of like a fascinating kind of like shock of like, is this why Mike Shanahan is so good? He's just getting all these guys that are good at these like jigsaw puzzle games.

33:37Jason Kelce:It's a pretty dang good system as well. Yeah, I guess it was like one of his ways of like getting a guy in the building and seeing his problem solving skills. I do like that. And so even at the combine, there's two different tests. I don't know if you remember this. I still to this day want to know how like my score was. They didn't tell me. On the puzzle. Yeah, they didn't tell me. Oh, that one. They didn't tell me how like good my scores were compared to all the other guys that they brought in. I wanted to know so bad how good I did on that fucking part of it. We got to get Kyle Shanahan. We got to get Kyle Shanahan in here and find out what your score was.

34:09It's documented somewhere, right? Come on, coach. Either that or Mike. We got to get Mike. Mike's got it. They don't erase any of that stuff.

34:15Jason Kelce:Mike's got it. At the combine, they would give you two tests. They would give you the Wunderlich test, which is what everybody knows is the predominant level of measuring intelligence or IQ. In the NFL world, yeah. Yeah. But the other one that I thought was far more applicable to football intelligence. You did a great fucking job on the fucking Wonderlic, didn't you? I was always bad at Wonderlics and SATs. I wasn't bad. I was always average at them because I'm a slow reader. I don't read quickly. And I just take, I don't, any time tests, I just don't finish the tests. Like the Wonderlic, I only finished like 26 questions.

34:48Jason Kelce:And it's like 50 questions long. So there's no way I'm going to have a good score. But I felt like the puzzle test at the Combine is more applicable for football. It was like a book. And you would have to like list what shape was next. And like each time the puzzle would get harder. Yeah. It's really a pattern test. I don't puzzles wrong. That's why I didn't do good on the wonderling. But stuff like that, stuff like these little games, I do think is better at generically gazing, like how well somebody recognizes patterns, spatial awareness, like an intelligence. It's more applicable for the game of football rather than, you know how well you can answer a full-on sentence in a wonderly test like i just don't think that that really tells much about i've seen guys do great on tests like that and have great sat scores and they have no idea to tell if a nickel's blessing so i don't know like it just doesn't it doesn't do that much for me you know what i mean it just like doesn't do not really that into it i did think at one point we had like a pickleball court in our uh in our weight room we had like a little outline and guys could play like in the offseason of course and i used to tell them like dude whenever you get a top 30 guy in here just bring him down here let's play some pickleball and i'll tell you if he's like worth the shit because you can tell just by stupid games and nick sirianni nick sirianni said the same thing with like uh i i do agree it doesn't he said the same thing about basketball right well he said the same thing about rock paper scissors which i think is even more like not true but like i do think if somebody's not competitive and they don't care that's a red flag to me because like it doesn't matter what game you're putting in front of me for the most part i'm going to try and figure out how to win what about shadow boxing i just don't like to want to play it it doesn't interest me to play the game but if i was doing it i would be trying to do it i wouldn't be half-assing it like if i'm playing pickleball and somebody comes on to play pickleball and they're like just like clearly uncoordinated or like not giving a decent amount of effort i'm like yeah fuck this dude you don't want this guy he's gonna he's gonna quit quickly you're fucking insane if that's your if that's your job interview to be the fucking scout team or scout for the fit for the eagles man hilarious i don't think it's a fair assessment i don't need to watch any film here just bring them on the pickleball of course the film the film matters more i'm just talking about getting engaged for their overall competitiveness and desire to uh win but i will say this and the reason i got this theory was all the guys that i played in pickleball in the offseason that just were not fun to play pickleball against because they sucked with effort also coincidentally sucked as football players a correlation there i'll take your word for it well the eagles uh are well hold on speaking of speaking of yeah so But you just mentioned something like, obviously, the tape is the most important thing.

37:46Jason Kelce:When you're watching tape, what are you looking for? First off, you have to be a competitor. You have to show your love for the game, your competitiveness, how much you want to compete on every single play. That's one of the things I think needs to be higher than a lot of the other attributes. It's like, does your love for the game show on the field? How much do you have that desire to play this game? is and does it translate through the building does it does does it does is it infectious to the guys around you um and things like that and then on top of that it's defensive understanding and you can tell by how guys depending on what route they have how they stem how they attack players how they attack leverage if it's man-to-man coverage i want to see how how much of an artist are you are you creating a route within the concept and i'm not saying doing your own fucking thing like no all i'm saying is that you know if it's a slant i'm not just running three steps forward and hitting a 45 degree angle i know the basic concepts of the slant how do i take it to another level even if it's zone or if it's match zone or something like that you got a a player often inside like what does that angle look like coming inside am i is my angle at a at a certain degree to where I can get to the ball faster than that defender can.

39:06You know what I mean? Like the angles and how guys are coming out. Some guys just have a natural feel for that. And I think all of that you can definitely see on field for sure.

39:15Jason Kelce:Dude, I'm glad you're bringing up all of that. I think all of that's really intriguing and interesting, especially with the draft coming up. It's going to be a lot of new guys realizing their dreams of playing in the NFL for the first time, getting into these OTAs and camps, and then training camp coming up in a few months. and I used to get asked a lot by like young guys like hey what's what's advice like what should I do what do I need to do in training camp to make the team things like that I'm like dude you need to stand out these coaches are looking at guys every single day right they're watching tape and do you want to be a guy that they're just watching it's like okay right guard did his job right tackle did his job you want to be a guy with like who is this guy where are you separating yourself whether it's in the you can separate yourself in the meeting room by being very cerebral attentive asking questions and being very involved in discussions, right?

40:02Jason Kelce:That's one way to do it. The one way that is guaranteed to separate it, if you play harder than everybody else. And I know that's like a, it's a moniker. If you watch my college film, that's what got me the recognition. That's what got me to stand out. If you finish to the echo of the whistle, if you go, if you're the last one to stop every play, every single scout, every single coach, everybody looking at the tape is going to be like, who the fuck is that guy, right? So I, listen, I don't know what you want me to say. Yes, there's going to be limitations that everybody has. You're not going to be, maybe you're not the best pass bugger.

40:33Jason Kelce:Maybe you're not the best run bugger. The one thing you have control over is your effort, right? Come into camp in shape and finish. That's what I'm saying. The first thing I want to see is how much do you love this fucking game? How much do you want to compete on every fucking play? And don't get me wrong. There have been times in my career where I had to evaluate myself and be like, am I showing this? that play was fucking unacceptable that play is embarrassing you know what i mean and and it's moments like that where you're just like i gotta get my shit fucking going and there are times where i've seen that on the biggest stages and i've been fucking embarrassed we were playing i forget what game what year it was but there was like a play i think carson was a quarterback and the entire offensive line was just standing and i just remember like what fuck am i doing like why Why am I just standing?

41:24Jason Kelce:Is it because I'm tired? Is it because I thought the ball was gone? I have no fucking clue. All I know is that that's not acceptable, right? So what do you do? After practice, you go and run a couple of times. Like you almost like punish yourself or if you are out of shape, you get yourself in shape. Those are the only options. And then after every single drill, after a game like that where I felt like, hey, I need to get better effort, I would go in and run five to 10 yards after each thing. It would be annoying and it'd be stupid sometimes. And I'm more tired in practice than anybody else, but I'm going to, yeah, 100%.

41:57Jason Kelce:I'm going to train myself and condition myself that this is the standard. This is how you react. Anyways, back to these young guys. You are marketing yourself each and every play you are on the field to the coaches, to the scouts. And what Travis is saying is exactly right. Your competitiveness and how hard you go is going to be one of the things that is every coach is going to love. It's fiending. They're drooling to find a guy like that. Yeah. Now, you got to be able to be good enough, too. That's not alone. But you want to make the team, that's a damn good start. And that's something you can control.

42:29All that shit is infectious. When you get guys flying around on defense and everybody's at the fucking ball and everybody's fucking getting excited for the guys that's making the fucking big hit. You watch Seattle's defense last year. Those guys fucking loved each other, man. Those guys, every single fucking tackle was a fucking celebration. Granted, they were making some fucking big hits and making some big tackles and rallying to the fucking football, but the 49ers have done it in years past. When our defense is at the top, I see it. It's infectious, and I see that on the defensive side of the ball.

43:01I'm fucking excited as a player that's on that team. I'm going to fucking match that energy on the offensive side when I get a first down or I get a big catch.

43:10Jason Kelce:Having great players obviously matters, but I do think that, like, half of being good on defense is just playing relentless energy and rallying to the ball right and coaches preach it but dude if you guys are truly doing that it is so hard to execute offensively now you got bad players you got bad players but that's that's a big component of it and that's one common thing that all great defenses do have yeah the one thing i always tell guys is bro understand the other side of the ball just as you under just as good as you understand your side of the ball like if i'm playing like the one of the i think one of the coolest things that that you specifically, you know, kind of taught me without even telling me was you knew the defense because you played linebacker in, in that system.

43:54You know what I mean? When you went at Cincinnati, when you moved from linebacker to the center, you understood gap assignment. You understood how, how safety rotation happens, how, how, like, if there's a rotation over here, something has to, you know, uh, happen on the backside for everybody to be balanced and for a defense to be sound. And it's like when you understand what the other side of the ball is doing to the point where you could literally point out what guys are doing before the snap. It makes you play at a four. If you're a four or five guy, it makes you play at a four, three. It makes if you're a four, seven guy, it makes you play at a four, five.

44:28You know what I mean? Because you're more alert and more precise with your movement and there's no wasted time. And it's like when you find guys that it's working faster up here, you know what I mean? Whether they're a 4-3 guy or a 4-5 guy or a 4-7 guy like I was. When you find guys that are making it happen faster here, the timing of the offense, the ability to be there before the ball on defense, the natural instincts that you have. You're training instincts. You're training your mind to fucking think fast. You're training your mind to not only just go, but not even think just go.

45:09Jason Kelce:But that's the thing. And you're reacting and in practice and in and in film study, you're creating these instincts to be able to when you recognize something, you're immediately doing something to react to that to benefit you. That's one of the biggest things for me when I'm watching film and seeing what guys are doing or really evaluating myself is like, how am I using the ability to understand things at a high level to play faster? Especially at, you know, you're getting later in your career and the body just doesn't move like it used to. Dude, I wish I knew what I knew late in my career when I was early.

45:44Jason Kelce:You know what I mean? What's crazy about offensive line, I got better as I got older and more unathletic. Which is kind of... It's crazy. It's not the way it's supposed to work. I didn't make an all pro until I was 28 or 29 or whatever it was. Right. Like I'd made it all after my prime, but that brings back a memory to me. Kobe Bryant came and talked to our team in 2017, the year before that we went to the Super Bowl that year. Subtle flex, subtle flex. Okay. And normally I'm not a huge fan of like basketball relations to football. Like I think it's a different sport. And anyways, Doug had a Kobe come in and talk to the team.

46:18Jason Kelce:And he said a couple of things that he said, one thing that resonated with most people and they said, you know, what's your mindset in the game? Somebody asked him. There's something along that line. He said, I wanted to make the guy across from me quit. I wanted to make the guy across from me not want to play basketball. And I remember everybody being amazed at that statement. And the guy said, how did you get, what would you, what advice would you give to any young player? And Kobe said, you know, be curious. Try and learn as much as you can. And all of these fucking idiots were talking about how cool it was that he wanted to make the other guy quit and i'm like what do you where do i do with that there's nothing i gained from having that piece of information how about be curious is such a fucking awesome way to say knowledge is power man learn as much as you can on how you're supposed to operate on what the guys around you are operating on and what the defense having all of that knowledge is going to help you be such a better player high level executives are like oh man he wants to make the guy cross from quit cool what the fuck do i do with that how did he get to be such a good fucking how did he make him quit you know he made him quit because he was so fucking good and a step ahead of his guy that it felt like there was nothing the guy in front of him could do to fucking stop him it was such a profound disconnect with like how did you guys hear those two statements and that was the one that you're like that's gonna really change my game but the curious part is like it's not just like hearing the your game plan it's not just understanding the defense's like scheme it's like you're being curious on like oh well if they do have the one coverage that might stop this play how would i still beat it how can i manipulate them to open up a window or how can I beat this defender up to get myself open in time with the quarterback?

48:11And it's just like being curious isn't just doing the job. It's finding what those extra – It's problem solving. With problems that don't seem like they can be solved at this time. But it's having the creativity and the curiosity to go out there and try it at least to get it done.

48:27Jason Kelce:There's a guy I'm going to give some love to. He was a later on pick. Brandon knows him because he's a fucking UT guy and he loves everybody from fucking Texas. Mauro Jomo used to drive the offensive line crazy. On scout team, he would ask questions constantly. Like, hey, man, what do you think about this? What if I did that? Why do you do this on this play? Why do you do that? That guy has developed so much as a player because he's built up such a knowledge early in his career. And he had a great year last year. I anticipate him continuing to play well. and he is maximizing what he has. And Stout, you say it all the time, knowledge is power.

49:03Jason Kelce:And just like you're saying, we're not just running routes on a paper. We're trying to know why are we running this route? Why does the quarterback want us there? Why am I going there? All of these things you're trying to have answers to and trying to allow that information to take your game to another level. So, yeah, be curious and play harder than everybody else. that's the note to all the draft picks that are going into camp those two things dominate those two I guess if you all do it somebody's going to get cut but either way that's how I would approach it you'll find a way on another team it'll show on film Coach Mo!

49:39My guy!

49:41Jason Kelce:Dude that guy would ask so many questions and so many guys would be like dude well fucking Morrow just shut the fuck up if you're actually like using the information you just got a dumbass that when you tell him something he's like yeah like we don't we don't make those kind of players at the university of texas so don't so don't let's not start that let's just be fair jamal charles didn't ask questions he didn't fucking have to jamal didn't have to ask questions give jamal the ball am i getting the ball question answered thank you it's very rare for a running back to be a question asker jamal and i were at school at the same time and he was generally one of the nicest people that's my only story of him i met him a couple times generally nicest dude he was very much mobbed by students but was always very kind about it and very nice to all of us so thank you he's the greatest man unlike kevin durant who wouldn't even high five me one time you motherfucker don't shia labeouf this i don't want to hear this mike piazza yeah kevin durant will fucking tweet my ass kevin durant i fucks with kd no he's cool i just i went for the high five and he like looked By the way, so obviously watching KD are like entire growing up and everything.

50:56Where are we going with this? Yeah. Watching him at UT was fucking unbelievable, right? It was electric, dude. It was electric. There was nobody in college that looked like that, could play like that, could compete like that. Goes to the league, Thunder, KD, or in Seattle, KD to Thunder, KD. I'm like man this guy is just lighting this shit up and I and I had given him the respect in my mind like this dude is like one of the best players in the fucking league but it was always like on ESPN it was always LeBron it was always Kobe it was always Steph bro he went to Golden State and I saw that man live in action bro he is top five one of the best players ever to play in the fucking NBA.

51:43Seeing a seven-footer run around crossing everybody up like that, fucking chucking threes, fucking dunking on anybody, seeing the floor like that, I'm like, bro, I thought LeBron was like the only one. Like, KD, bro, no, this dude was out here just fucking owning every aspect of the fucking floor. And I was just like, holy shit. Have you watched, I know we're rambling here but have you watched wimby at all this year it's not as impressive because kd kd was so quick i agree to be that fucking tall it's a little eight hitting fadeaway threes yeah and that's impressive don't get me wrong but that's you don't i mean it's like it's like the modern day kareem with the hook shot it's there's just nothing you can fucking do wimby's got to get

52:35Jason Kelce:some shoes that don't fucking collapse on his ankles i mean what are we doing here i don't know happened i every time i was like i run and cut like his shoe looks like it's about to explode i'm like dude we got to give this guy some better shit footwear it's not at work now get on it do you not notice this with wimby i mean it's every nba player if you take a screenshot of when they're like fucking crossing over or something it's like their fucking ankle is on the ground dude it's insane i feel like it stands out especially with that dude it's all this new light material never saw Jordan's ankle on the floor.

53:06Jason Kelce:Who was the most dominant college player? The most dominant college player? Fuck, man. I mean, I'm a high-flying action kind of guy, so I like the dudes that are just fucking dunking on everybody like a Blake Griffin. Man. That dude? In fucking college. Oh my God. He's a beast. I saw him play, too. Yeah. That was insane. Dude. He was so large and he jumped so fucking high. He looked like RoboCop in a jersey. Just fucking NBA hang time jamming on everybody, dude. I don't know why. And maybe tell me how off I am because I'm not like the most college basketball knowledgeable human being. But maybe it's just because it timed up right in my heart of sports fandom, basically.

53:52Jason Kelce:But I feel like Carmelo Anthony, when he was at Syracuse, was insane. Melo was another one, dude. He kind of had that, like, bro, he's like 6 '9 in person. Like, I'm like fucking looking up at Melo like this. When I see him, I'm like, you were moving on the basketball court like that? What the fuck? I still remember that year at Syracuse. The smoothest fucking jumper. That was beautiful. Bunch of college basketball truthers will probably shit all over. You can't shit on those. Both of those guys won championships, yeah. There's going to be somebody we're forgetting that they're going to shit on us for, and I'm fine with that.

54:28Jason Kelce:A guy that was electric when we were in college, Trav, and won me in my bracket competition was Kemba Walker at UConn. Kemba. Shout out to Kemba and UConn. The crossover at the Big East tournament, buzzer beater. Holy shit. I think it was Big East tournament. It might have been March Madness. They might have saw Pittsburgh again at March Madness. March Madness was the crossover, right? I think Kemba was the step back. I don't know. It was March Madness. It was the Big East tournament. Thank you, Jake. I knew, I knew. I knew, I knew. And it wasn't even the championship of the Big East tournament.

54:55Well, that's why Jake knows. It was at the fucking Garden. That's why he knows. That's why I knew, too. I fucking always wanted to play in the garden. Still time. You're right. I could still manipulate my way in there. What position would I play? What would a 6 '5", 255 guy that –

55:13Jason Kelce:I mean, dude, you got to just be Anderson Verge at this point. You got to just be energy off the bench at this point. All heart. That guy is all heart. You got to be the guy standing out at the end of the tape session. You gotta be that guy. Gotta stand out. I'm fucking diving at everyone's ankles. Throw the elbows up on the rebounds kind of guy. Get in there. You gotta do all the old man tricks. And they go up for the fucking jumper. You pull the shorts down. Pull the shorts down.

55:44Jason Kelce:Could you imagine? Give a guy a wet willy as the shots going up just so I can get good box out. Just like making the star player. Just annoyed the entire time. Just like fucking with his equipment. stepping on his back of his shoes so the heel comes out. Like doing all the little shit. Lance Stevenson. Lance Stevenson, dude. Lance Stevenson, what are you doing? Blowing on LeBron. That's what it is, bro. You got to call Lance. Get back in the league. Lance still had a crazy crossover at mid-range, though. Yeah, he was. Other than that, you basically are. I've always thought of him as Lance Stevenson type.

56:17Get the fuck out of here. All right. Well, for the last bit of NFL news going into the draft, the Eagles still might be trading A.J. Brown to the Patriots.

56:27Jason Kelce:So, yeah, I mean, listen, not that surprising, right? I think this has been, you know, something that has been rumored all offseason. I think a lot of times, too, you can tell, by the way, teams answer questions. Like, generally, when teams shut down trade talk right away, that's a guy that they're trying to keep. In general, they're always listening to offers. Like, as a team, you kind of have to be willing to do that. Any good GM isn't just going to fucking shoot it down. They're going to hear what the fucking offer is. But at the same time. And teams that aren't interested in moving players, they don't say that to the public.

57:01Jason Kelce:Like, yeah, no, we're sticking behind our guy. Like, we're not doing that. It's been pretty apparent to anybody that's been following this side. And both sides want to move on. Well, I think that there's, I think that there is a... Speculation. Allegedly both sides. I think that there's a willingness to move on for the right price from the Eagles. If teams are willing to match what would be a fair asking price for the level of talent that A.J. Brown is. That's just kind of the way that all the news has been coming out about this. And June 1st happens to be the day where there's a different like cap hit to the Eagles.

57:35Jason Kelce:If they do move on from AJ, I want to say this. I think that AJ Brown was not the issue with the offense of the Philadelphia Eagles. And he's a major piece that is a very good player. So at the end of the day, I think it's a net loss losing AJ Brown. I think it'll be apparent wherever he ends up. He's a great player. He was a disgruntled player with the way he was used and some of these other things. and I get that frustration. I think his teammates get a lot of the frustration as well because you still have not seen a lot of negative comments or any negative comments come out from his teammates in the way A.J.

58:05Jason Kelce:Brown handled last season. Was it frustrating for fans to watch at times? Yes, obviously they voiced that. At the end of the day, A.J. Brown is a good teammate, a great player, and a guy that adds to an offense in a legitimate way. So if it does get to this, it's not, it sucks, right? But it has been something that has been rumored. I think we'll get some answers, too, with how the Eagles handled the draft this week. Right? If they draft a receiver early, that kind of tells you they plan on doing something. You know, they go out and sign Hollywood Brown. They have Devontae Smith. They have A.J.

58:36Jason Kelce:Brown. You're probably not drafting a receiver that high with all three of those guys in the receiver. I'm pretty set. So you draft somebody pretty high. You're probably thinking something's happened in June 1st. It'll be interesting to see where the Eagles go in general. Like, you know, obviously offensive line is a position that they've speculated on. Lane Johnson's getting older. I happen to think Lane has a lot of football left if he wants to play. I think, you know, defensive end, edge rusher. Obviously, we just talked about receiver. It'll be interesting to see where the Eagles go, especially early in the draft.

59:11Jason Kelce:Who's available and what they value most and kind of upgrading at. Nice. Well, it's the draft, baby. I'm fucking pumped for it. I know the entire world is pumped for it. I can't wait to see what Brett Veach does. And I know the Eagles are itching at the bit to get Thursday so they can see if they're picking in that first round, man. No thing. Is there anything else we wanted to touch on in the draft? Got Fernando Mendoza looking like he's going to be one overall maybe. I don't know. Has that already been announced? I don't follow this. As a rule, I get more interested after everybody's been picked.

59:46Jason Kelce:I'm excited. I watch the draft, but I really don't put in a lot of effort until like, hey, now who's on the team? And like, who are we dealing with? I think it'd be cool to do some tape breakdowns of some of these guys and where they could be used. We have been doing more tape breakdown. Maybe we do some offensive line. Some game. Guys we're excited about, maybe some tight ends or receivers. You game for that draft? I'm always game to do a little tight end receiver breakdown. Can you go? Do you think you break down quarterbacks? Yes, 1 ,000%. thousand percent what's your number one thing you're looking for in a quarterback accuracy does he drink beers dude i will say this so seriously i know you're joking around a little bit a little just a little bit but here's the thing so uh marcus spears my good friend with espn swag who said to be like a great quarterback you got to be the guy and he said it very apparent at one point and he definitely needs to be able to throw the ball well as well what do you think it is about quarterbacks in particular like why that means more at it you know what i mean i think it's not necessarily just so you know we're saying having beers we're joking about having beers although it is kind of true it's more about like the camaraderie that happens camaraderie effort to hang outside of the creating relationships exactly yes why is that so much more important at that position is it because you're in charge of communicating with all these pieces and like choreographing it all together like why yeah is it a quarterback that it seems like it's more important than others i don't know i think and this is where it's not always about the beers it's about just being a guy that wants to be around your teammates wants to be around the people in the building outside of the building and i think getting getting that chemistry understanding who the people are that becomes like one of like uh the how do i want to put this i I guess I've never even thought of it in a way like this.

1:01:44When you spend that time and you make that effort to know somebody that much more, you play a little harder for the guy. You listen to a little bit more of what he's saying. You understand a little bit more of what he's saying to another degree. And I think that's just the camaraderie that comes with sports. When a team's at the end of the season is hosting the Lombardi, that team feels like one. Everybody on that fucking podium holding that fucking Lombardi up feels like they're passing it to a brother. Feels like they're passing it to an extended relative. And I think those teams, Seattle Seahawks, you could tell how they played the fucking game that all those guys loved each other.

1:02:23And the teams that I've been on that have been the best maybe not have had the most talented position on the field at every single position. But we fucking loved each other. we knew how to fucking play together and we fed off of each other in that regard. And it's those, and then we say beers, I'm going to keep saying beers. It doesn't necessarily mean beers, but it's those fucking beers you have outside of the facility that brings everybody a little bit closer. And you need to have as a team, an opportunity to create those moments.

1:02:54Jason Kelce:Like I've gone on teams too, where like, it's like, Oh, we're going to go to like an escape room and don't get me wrong. I love escape rooms. I don't feel like I'm like getting anywhere near the bond of going to an escape room. I want to kill myself if you ever fucking put me in there. I'm probably not even going to jump. All right, I'll see you guys in the office next week. This is why San Francisco didn't draft you, because you don't like escape rooms, Travis. That was Washington, but yes. Sorry, sorry. They went with Jordan Reed instead. Now they just said top 30s. They're going to escape room.

1:03:27Let's see if they can get out. Life or death situation.

1:03:30Jason Kelce:Oh, he's over at the piano. What a fucking idiot. You're such a dickhead. Last thing before we get to our guest, we've got a very special edition of No Dumb Questions that we've been waiting to show you. This edition of No Dumb Questions is brought to you by Allstate. Hi, Jason and Travis. Hi. I need some advice. My husband is a lifelong Jets fan, and I need advice because I just found out I'm pregnant, and I don't know how to prepare my kid for a lifetime of disappointment. Love you. Oh, congrats. That's great. J-Cats, yes. Yay.

1:04:15Jason Kelce:That is awesome. Yeah, man. So any advice on preparing a kid for a lifetime of Jets fandom? My advice that I give everybody is don't listen to anybody that wants to give you advice. Awesome. Yeah, no. Every kid's different. You'll figure it out. You're a smart guy. I hope so. Do you know sex yet? We find out in a week. We have to hold this. We can't tell people. But I wanted to tell you guys in person. That's awesome. This is awesome, dude. Are you kidding me? I'm always like three days late on figuring out what the fuck just happened. My brother, when he told me about his firstborn. The moment it said my husband is a Jets fan, I knew who it was.

1:04:50Hilarious. I'm over here opening a humidor and there's like two boots and I'm like, why the fuck are there baby socks? And then I look up at Kylie. I'm like, thanks for the humidor, but what the fuck are these? Congrats, dude. Thank you. Thank you. That's awesome.

1:05:08Jason Kelce:Yeah, so you find out in a week. Find out in a week what we're having. That's awesome. Yes. Congrats. Very cool. Very cool. Make sure you eat during, I mean, we've already shared. Yes, yes. But, yes. And bring a fan. Yes. Well, I mean, if you like fans, yes. I don't know what you kind of sleeper you are, but yes. Yes. I run hot. There you go. Then bring the fan. Yeah. And we're good. All right. Thanks, guys. Awesome stuff, man. Let's go! Yeah! Let's go, everyone. Congrats, Jake. Congrats, Em. That's right. Congrats. And so what should Emily do? Should the baby be allowed to pick their own team, or are they a Jets fan?

1:05:48Jason Kelce:That's the question we want answered. Stay strong, Jake. Stay strong, Jake. I mean, listen, the baby's always the kid's always going to pick but as a dad you can influence that kind of fandom for sure you just buy him some Jets things, right? Show him what fucking Joe Namath looked like back in the days Put some exciting Jets games on from like 40 years ago Get some John Klecko tape out

1:06:27Jason Kelce:we went to the playoffs in my lifetime i will be i will be showing our daughter those tapes and she's pretend like hopefully by the time she's interested in football the jets are good that's what i'm hoping for what's the teacher's name again that introduced you to jets epi yes get get uh get teacher epi down there yes to make it full circle yes teach another chat ski generation the Jets way. Yes, we will be sworn into misery for the rest of our family. Next year. Next year's the year. It's always the year. I'm going to raise a young optimist. I can't wait. Perfect. That's all you could ask for.

1:07:07Good luck to your Jets on draft day.

1:07:11Jason Kelce:Bring Jake back in here. That was a while ago. How is Emily doing? She's doing well. We're about halfway through. We had the anatomy scan earlier this week, which was crazy but everything's great she she's a rock star i'd bring her in but she's like actively working still and doing her job much more serious than mine but she's doing great i'm doing whatever i can and uh she's doing a lot more so i i can't i can't say that i'm like a rock star but she absolutely is give yourself some credit bud yeah you're our rock star appreciate appreciate you dude wishing you the best and a healthy healthy uh next couple months man thank you guys can't wait i'll keep you posted all right once again this edition of no dumb question and jake's first born child are brought to you by all state all state throw some free insurance there that baby girl is going to be in good hands with all state you can't do an ad read with somebody's child just did we just did i did i sold i i cut a deal on the side guys done if our other ad partners are listening there might be other kids around we don't know i'll sell you baby you don't know make us a deal any baby brands strollers listening that want to sponsor no don't let him chill don't let him chill don't let him do this bullshit but no seriously we'll sell out don't worry about it thank you to our partner reese's recent reese's has two limited edition cups the returning reese's strawberry pb and j cup.

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1:11:34Jason Kelce:92 percenters please give a warm welcome to sean please

1:11:44oh that's good i was i was hoping you would give me a big one like that i hear you give yes big ones i was like i better get a really big fucking one i would never hold back listen you were showing off those muscles this movie is unbelievable it's such a flex in itself you You were doing a lot of the stunts, I heard. I do a lot of the action. Yeah. I do all of the climbing in it is me. Some of the kayaking is not me. I was not a gay kayaker. They shot with these two Olympic gold medalists in New Zealand and did all the, which the kayak stuff is great though, right? I've never seen people do stuff like that with a kayak.

1:12:22These two women were just unbelievable. But yeah, I do everything else. I do everything else that's in the movie. I do. That's so impressive. That's awesome.

1:12:30Jason Kelce:Or stupid. A lot of times those go hand in hand. I was going to ask you, do you think you have the greatness? You need the stupid and the crazy to get to greatness. There you go. You got to be just a little crazy out here. Do you do it for the thrill or do you do it for the shot? Or do you like, what's the madness behind wanting to do all the action stuff? Because I think good action movies work when you're telling the story through the action. It's not like the movie stops and you have an action scene and then the movie picks up again. I like action movies where the action is part of the story you you don't understand the story unless you actually see the action and that kind of physical storytelling I really love I was a dancer for the first part of my life and um I so I was a storyteller that way and I when I started making movies it was all very verbal and great but then I really got a chance to do a big movie be called Mad Max Fury Road.

1:13:25And I fell in love with like using my body again. And so it kind of like made a real effort to develop a couple of projects for myself to do that. So that's how I think of it. I think of it as, well, this part of the story we have to now tell and it's physical, like how the fuck am I going to get up this hill without him shooting at me and hitting me? Like, how am i gonna do that so fucking cool it is physical and it is badass these are badass female

1:13:56Jason Kelce:roles in like the fullest extent and this one in particular telling the story through the action you feel like what the character is going to it's pretty remarkable my heart's racing with you the last scene i i have like a natural fear of like heights oh sometimes i get that yes especially on the side of like cliffs for sure like even just a camera looking out i'm in my couch i know that i shouldn't be sweating but i just start sweating it's a visceral movie you know that last climb the the final like climb up when i get on the top and i'm exhausted and everything that climb uh uh that end that last bit coming over we shot that on an actual like a real face and it was uh i think more than 60 feet down and uh there was no you couldn't put mats or anything down it was a real hang.

1:14:45So they had to drop me on a, on a very, very thick, secure safety, uh, rope, but that's all they could put me on. They couldn't put me on wires or anything like that because we were just in the bush. And so I had to, this was by far the scariest thing that I did. And everybody thinks it's the cliff dive, but I'm like, no, that was fun. Even though it was only six feet of water, but every time i did that drive i was like i'm getting more sand and sand into my wetsuit i'm getting closer and closer to that bottom but that last climb i had to basically get myself down so you see this drop and i don't have like a great fear of heights but i'm also not like incredibly brave you know i'm like this is probably not very appropriate fear when you're hanging 60 feet over

1:15:33Jason Kelce:a cliff. You're crazy enough to do it. That's half the fun. Yeah, exactly. I think we've come this far. I have to finish this now. So I I'm dropping myself. I'm trying not to look down. I'm like climbing and kind of scraping my body down just far enough. So I'm out of the shot of the camera. And then I have to on action climb that last bit up, which is pretty steep and it's overhang. And that was one of the physically the heart. And I was towards the end of the movie i was so tired and i just remember pulling myself up there the third time and i just went this is fucking insane like this is absolutely insane and in the in the movie i kind of have a bit of a giggle and that he kept it in but that was literally me on the third take i'm like what the fuck am i doing like this is so crazy it fit very well yeah absolutely is a lot of this action and like that kind of fearlessness that you have to find in yourself, was that a part of like wanting to be a part of this role?

1:16:33Yeah, I mean, I like this movie a lot because I thought that it wasn't contrived at all. It was very straightforward. You know, you have a girl, she goes into the wild, she meets a guy, he ends up being a serial killer and the chase is on. And I like something about when I read the script, I love the simplicity of that engine that drove it. um and then i liked the idea of within that that it could be a two-hander where you can get into more of the psychological warfare or the psychological action like i love movies like diehard where it's simple like you get it it's like there's a christmas party and shit goes wrong you know yeah yeah yeah i loved it and i like i love those movies and i felt the same about this i was like wow i just love that you know you gotta stay alive you gotta try and get out of this and hopefully you do good luck go it is a nail biter every step of the way always on the

1:17:31Jason Kelce:edge of your seat it combines like so many movies in my head like of great parts of them like cliffhanger or like free solo deliverance like i there's like who isn't terrified of being in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of people playing like banjos and whatnot but yeah no this one no no better than this one but yeah it's amazing how beautiful places can become this most scary places right places where people don't hike and they have these beautiful like sunday mornings can end up you know being where somebody dies right it's terrifying yes i will say this though uh taron edgerton absolutely rocks it with you he's awesome as well the first time he did his animal noise did that fuck you up did it like catch you off ground off guard it caught me off guard every single time he did it yeah he uh yeah that was truly frightening and he came up with that kind of like i think a week before we started shooting because he had this he's he kept saying things like i think of him as someone that has like peter pan syndrome and it was such a great way to look at the character you know this like little boy who's like trying to like be a man in nature but he's just fucking sick you're doing it then you're doing it you're really doing it like look at me i can get water out of a tree like okay whatever but i i remember we did the first chase and he was he did one of those bird sounds and it scared the fuck out of me yeah yeah it's something really out here chasing me what the fuck is that and there's a there's a reaction shot actually when the first time he does it when he starts the song and he says you you have this song to get away from me and then he does the the bird and that is that reaction is i was like fuck me like i gotta get the fuck out why are you that good at this he's so amazing in the movie i think he brings like a whole new twist to this you know i think serial killer movies are i love them i'm obsessed with serial killer movies um i think you also want to i think because i'm so obsessed with real serial killers there's so much variety to pick from, right?

1:19:40It's not always the tropey thing where, you know, you're telling the story and this is why, and you're trying to justify or say why he's like, likes to cut women's heads off. And we didn't want to do that story. We really wanted to just tell a story that's in the moment it's happening. And we're not getting into, you know, too much of a history about where he, why he's doing all these horrible things, which I like as well, because then he becomes, he stays very scary you you don't understand i agree it's scarier when you don't know why he's

1:20:11Jason Kelce:doing that like i think at one point sasha like your character even tries to like say the that i don't want to give away too much of the movie but yeah you try to like get that out of him or like play on that and he just he shuts it down right away like no i'm just a psychopath there's nothing deeper here it's not as deep as you're trying to make it out yeah yeah he's like but can i hug you yeah i love that moment too because she's she's obviously all she has left is how she can psychologically maybe talk herself out of this situation and i love that he doesn't go down that route yeah and that i have to kind of come up with something else very quick on the on the fly i'm so glad you guys love the movie i really um you know i haven't uh this is the my favorite favorite movie I've ever made.

1:20:57What? You made some bangers. I was like, this is cool to hear. I know. So in 30 years, I've made a lot of movies and I've loved all of them for different reasons, but there's something about this movie that the way we shot it, where we shot it at just the time in my life when I needed to go and find something where I could just immerse myself into a world. And, and this, this movie was everything that I wanted. And And then the end result was everything that I hoped for before we went to go do it. And so it's really nice to hear how much you guys are responding to it, too, because I fucking just I love making this movie so much.

1:21:31That's so awesome. Fuck it.

1:21:33Jason Kelce:Very cool. Yeah. I think it's going to be highly regarded. It comes out on Netflix coming up here. It's you did a great job. You should be proud of it. Thank you. That's so nice, guys. You were also a producer on Mindhub. So you really are just all about the serial killers. Yeah. Are we watching Dateline every night? Or where are we getting our fix for this knowledge? I mean, what's wrong with that? I have fallen asleep to Dateline before. Yeah, Mindhunter was a story that I heard about when I did Monster, when I played Eileen Warnos, who was considered a serial killer. And I kept hearing about this guy, John Douglas.

1:22:08John Douglas, he was the first behavioral science guy. And he is really the one that came up with profiling, which was a really big thing that he brought to the fbi and they really fought it for years because they were like i don't want to hear about this monster's mom like don't tell me but he had a way of kind of looking at the history of these people and and he could profile and he profiled a lot of prolific serial killers actually um through through just knowing more about them and so i read one of his books he has many books and he's a very very interesting guy and he just always stayed with me as such a fascinating guy because he's like always in like a nice suit.

1:22:48You know, he wasn't like, he was like the last guy that you would imagine would go to Rikers and want to sit down with serial killers and know more about them. So he was a great character. But yeah, we did two seasons with David Fincher and it was just, it was one of those things that I was very proud of. I absolutely love what we did with it. And it is, it's a serial killer story that really very rarely shows you the serial killer doing the act. It really was not the academia behind and how serial killers, real serial killers, they were part of that academia being found, you know, sitting down with them.

1:23:22That's how they built their knowledge for profiling, which I just thought was fascinating.

1:23:27Jason Kelce:That is fascinating. That's fantastic, yeah. You guys don't like serial killers? I grew up in Ohio. A lot of them come from Ohio. So I like trying not to dabble in that. Yeah, yeah. Oh my God. It's too close to home. Yes, that's right. so you guys see it in real life got it it's just that everyday thing so we tried to stay out we narrowly escaped it we narrowly escaped it barely escaped trying to kill each other nice well for the movie everybody netflix april 24th apex you gotta check it out charlise before we get you out of here though we got we got some dumb questions to ask you we have a dumb little little game that we uh we made up and uh your um movie resume is absolutely incredible but we want to know how well you know those movies based off of some of the comments and reviews.

1:24:16We think this is a fun little game.

1:24:18Jason Kelce:Comments and reviews. So we're going to read a comment and you are going to try and tell us which movie you think that comment is referencing. That is really hard. Hopefully we didn't make it that hard for you. Let's see. First one is from Mirian. It is, I feel like I just got drop kicked in the cervix for 120 minutes straight. which of your movies would elicit that comment from Miriam? It's either. It's five stars, by the way, five stars, atomic blonde or Tully. You got an atomic blonde. She knows it. Yeah. All right. The next one is from, um, Patrick Williams, who also, uh, gave the movie five stars.

1:25:03A few movies in history have ever whipped quite this hard. Oh my God. Uh, It could be a number of them. Whipped? So Hard? There was no whips.

1:25:14Jason Kelce:Which movie do you think you were whipped in? Did I say that right? No, you're right. You read it correctly. Whipped Hard. I mean, is it Mad Max? It is Mad Max, indeed. Two for two. I think Whipped was the key word in that one. There was a lot of leather in that movie. I think they were like Whipped Around. Here we go. From Liam F. Three and a half star review. They were in Italy for 24 minutes. Oh, the Italian drop. Yes, the Italian drop. That was an easy one. That's a gimme. All right, one more, one more. From Adam Bolt. All sex scenes from now on should have Al Pacino in the background cheering for participants.

1:26:02Oh, my God. That's devil's advocate. that's an all-time comment right there oh my god it sounds so wrong but now yeah this is the only way i have sex these days al could you come in here please and he's lovely he he submits he comes he does it he's a good man great feedback i heard he's a good man

1:26:27Jason Kelce:all righty uh we got to ask you got to do the opening ceremony at the winter Olympics this year. How was that experience? Oh my God. It was amazing. I, I was asked and I was kind of like, I don't know, I feel like I'm going to stick out like a sore thumb. And it's such a special moment for so many athletes who work so hard, but I really kind of connected to this, this, um, the idea of just kind of spreading a little bit of hope, you know, and I think I felt like it was a good stage to maybe do a little bit of that. I didn't want to go and like feed anybody medicine hopefully i didn't but i i'm fortunate enough to come from a beautiful country with this great man who has a bit plays a big part in in our in the freedom of south africa nelson mandela and you just can't go wrong with a nelson mandela quote nice so it was very very easy on my part i just threw a dart and like anyone that it was going to pick was going to be a good quote But it is interesting that that quote was so many years ago and how relevant it is today.

1:27:27But it was a great experience. It was just amazing to be that close to something like that. You know, I just have such respect for athletes. I just think that the dedication and the hard work and the discipline that goes into sports is something to really kind of take your hat off to and bow. It's a great thing. It's amazing.

1:27:48Jason Kelce:And the Olympics in particular, like once every four years, these athletes get the opportunity to go there and represent their country. It really is a special event that takes place on the national worldwide scale. And then you see the smallest thing go wrong. And you're just, I know it's because the state is so high. Right. If it wasn't the four year thing, it would be fine. Right. Yeah. When those skiers come down and they just, Oh, Oh my God. Lindsay Vaughn. I was like, Oh, she's a warrior though, to go back out there and at least give it one other try. There's no question. She's a maniac. When I trained for Atomic Blonde, I trained with the same trainer as her at the same gym.

1:28:26And I got to know her a little bit during that period. And she is like, I'd show up so fucking exhausted. I'm like, who the fuck do I think I am that I'm going to come into this gym and become a martial arts expert and get strong enough. And then she'd come in and I was just like, that's my inspiration. Just look at that. Do that. Just do that. Put your head down. Do that. But she's so lovely. Do you have a favorite event in the Olympics or anything that amazes you the most? I like the ski. That skiing is pretty amazing. But I watched a lot of the figure skating because I have two young. I have a teenager, a 14-year-old and an 11-year-old.

1:29:03So we watched a lot of figure skating. They were very much into that. That's awesome. Which, again, the same thing. It's like that one throw, that one missed land. And you're just like, oh. And I was trying to explain it to my daughters because every time it happened, I was like, oh. And they're like, Mom, it's okay. She's fine. I was like, no, she's not fine. She can't do this for another four years. She's young, Mom. It's fine. Don't worry about it.

1:29:29Jason Kelce:And they make a mistake, and they just have to finish their routine. Like, in their head, they know it's over. All this training was done. But they're still going to skate around for another minute and do the rest of it. Like, it's very admirable in that regard. I don't know. You know you're probably going to lose, right, Travis? But you keep fucking playing. You've got to keep playing. that's um you gotta just love it just a real admiration for yeah for that with the smile on the face and they still they're giving the performance but they know what it is yeah yes and we at least when we're out there we have 11 other guys on the or 10 other guys on the field with us going through it together like they're just mono like one person out there at a time and it's like all eyes on them another level of bravery you guys have had that feeling right you've had that feeling where you're for sure i lost a super bowl to my brother and it was the worst pain on the planet.

1:30:17Jason Kelce:I wasn't going to say I'm going to bring it up. It was a beautiful moment, Jason. We were both on top of the mountain together. It was great. He was hanging off the cliff. That's right. That's a time where I wouldn't have been afraid of the cliff because I would have jumped straight off of it.

1:30:38Jason Kelce:You did just mention your two daughters. I have four under six right now. Four daughters. How are you talking? How are you putting it? I don't know if you heard a second ago. There was just something happening upstairs. I don't really know what. I'm going to hear about it. Is there any advice? What do I have to look forward to? What should I do? It was just Travis and I growing up. Yeah, it was just us too. Well, I was an only kid. So the whole sibling thing to me, when they fight, I actually got worried. Like I was like, am I not doing the right thing? Like they're going to kill each other because they're both very, very strong.

1:31:11wrong like you know like they're not wallflowers and they're they're stubborn and they're and they're just firecrackers and so when they love they love very hard but when they fight I'm like oh my god like am I gonna go to jail like they won't stop they get to jail and so I have to like call my friends up who my friend was like are you kidding me I had two sisters I almost killed my sister it's fine like this nature does this beautiful thing where you think you're in your worst place right now so that you can cope with what you have but from where i am i can tell you that you're in a lovely place and they're they're still lovely and sweet and then one day you're going to walk into their room around 11 and they're going to just be like why did you turn the lights on what is going on like yesterday morning you wanted me to cuddle with you And now you're yelling at me for turning the lights on.

1:32:04Yeah, they just turn into hormonal nightmares. Like I'm getting my ass handed to me from the moment that I walk into the house. And all these things are going to serve them so well in life, but I might not make it. They're going to be fine. Yeah, I am the one holding them back.

1:32:25Jason Kelce:Yeah, that is what I'm worried about. I am terrified about that 11 through high school age range. I know it's going to be rough, and they're all going to be so tightly compact. Wyatt just kicked me the other day. My oldest daughter, like full on, I was doing a ghost sound to scare her on purpose, and she full on kicked me. And I'm like, listen, we do not hit each other. But in my head, I'm like, kind of love this. She had the right reaction. You want your daughter to kick when somebody does that. That's right. She's got to survive. She's got to survive apex. There's a serial killer after one day.

1:32:57Jason Kelce:She's got to make it. Mark my words. When you have the third one hit 11, I promise you, you're going to have days where you just get in your car and drive around the block for like an hour. It's what I call like a timeout. Like I have to really just leave the house right now. Put yourself in timeout. Nice. I'm going to go to the store. Anybody need anything? I'm just going to go make a quick tip. All right. You got one rule, Jason. and don't turn the lights on, man. All right, we had Keanu Reeves on the show early this year, another one of our favorites. And is it true you named your dog after Johnny Utah?

1:33:33Yeah, I did. Because I adopted him in Utah. I was shooting a movie in Valley. Nice. And Stray Dog, yeah, ended up in my trailer. And so he was from Utah, and I wanted to do a little throwback. And I love Keanu, who's a good friend. And I was like, yeah, how about that? That's awesome. So I always, I always, yeah, he always went by both those names. How cool is that?

1:33:56Jason Kelce:It's the best. Have you done other movie names or like character names for pets? No, I have not. My daughters now name all the animals that we have. So it's a lot of like Billy, Bobby, Bibby, Baba. Nicknames. Yeah. Nothing but nicknames. Tiny little cute names. I'm like, can we get like a tough name in here? Like I, we have a farm and I, we got some working dogs and I was like, I get, I get to name one. I want to name just one dog. And it was, what would you, what would you name a dog? I did name her after a movie. Oh my God. I'm so tired. What do you got? I just named Ripley after. Yeah. Sigourney Reaver's a character in aliens.

1:34:40Jason Kelce:Very cool. That's awesome. That's a bad, that's a bad-ass female character. We needed a bad-ass name in there because it was a lot of like, uh, Billy, Bobby, Bobby. We have a Patty and then they're trying to call the new one Freddy. And I'm trying to go with something strong in German. It's a German Shepherd. I'm thinking Gunda, like Gundel or like, it's got to be like a picture like in a big beer hall with Steins walking through the. Oh my God, that's so funny. They like to put the E on the end on all of them, like to make it cute. So what you do is they named one of the dogs Teddy. And now I just call him Ted.

1:35:14And it's really cool. I'm like, Ted, let's go, Ted. like I just I just don't go and he loves Ted I can tell he likes it thank God for you I'm not a Teddy thank you in 2014 you said climbing Mount Kilimanjaro was on your bucket list Jason has actually climbed Mount Kilimanjaro have you done it is it still on the bucket list yeah I know I haven't done it because I have a I have two teenagers this is pre-kids pre-kids yeah what But tell me the experience. Was it was it something that you wanted to do or was just by chance you were?

1:35:48Jason Kelce:So a good friend of mine that also played in the NFL, Chris Long, has a foundation called Water Boys and they install wells in Africa and like places that they need clean drinking water and whatnot. and one of the things they do to raise money and awareness around the trip every year they kind of took a hiatus but they did it again this year is he takes a bunch of uh veterans and nfl players over to kilimanjaro uh tanzania and they hike on kilimanjaro so he had done it for a number of years he had climbed i think at that point four times like he's just a complete badass about it and we were talking about it a couple buddies did it the year before i was like you know what i'll go do it thinking naively that it wasn't going to be that hard.

1:36:28Jason Kelce:And then just like got humbled so bad. I mean, just like, and it's, this is like the most white collar client, like mountain climb you can do, right? Like we have tons of support and like locals that are helping us up this mountain with like giving us water and food and tents are being set up. Like it's a very, if, if you're, if it's possible at all to get my fat ass up this mountain, this was the way to do it. Yeah. still on the last day uh the summit day you get up really early because you the goal is to be at the summit for sunrise right so you get up at like 12 a.m and you just start hiking you know you got a six and a half seven hour like darkness like just with a little complete darkness you have you have the headlamp uh headlight in front of you and the route that we went that time was very steep so you can't even go straight up you have to do uh skip backs right you're like going sideways essentially so that you can go up this rock face yeah we finally get there and then we have another two-hour walk around but what i didn't know is once you get above i think it's like the 18 000 foot or 17 000 threshold you get to a certain point on kilimanjaro where you're no longer able to replace the oxygen right like it's a slower it's not as severe as ever the other yeah the other uh whatever i forget the name of but the other big summits yeah uh but you're up there and as a bigger guy, you're using more oxygen.

1:37:53Jason Kelce:So I was doing great. Wasn't really having an issue. And then right when I got to the summit, it hit me like a ton of bricks. I didn't get like, like we hit you. What, how, like you were just like, so fatigued, like a level and a little bit dizzy. And they tell you like, the moment you get there, you just want to get down as fast as possible. So I am, I am literally like jumping down the side of this mountain. Like I am bounding and like skiing down on my shoes just to get down as fast as possible. My one buddy, Bo, is just seated in the gravel and he's just sulking because he's so tired. I'm like, dude, what are you guys like?

1:38:29Jason Kelce:My Sherpa left me.

1:38:34Jason Kelce:Did you enjoy the summit at all? It was incredible. I mean, you are very tired, but at that point you put in four days climbing up it. At least on this trip we do. There are people that climb it much faster, but we, um, it's such a highlight of a moment. And then on top of that, like, hello, De nada, one of our teammates was retiring at the summit. There's all these wounded warrior. Like it's a guy that only had one leg that climbed it with us. Right. Like it's a really powerful trip. Holy smokes. And you still bitched about exactly. That's the thing. He did it so much easier than I did. And I was like, you've changed.

1:39:10And then the worst changed,

1:39:11Jason Kelce:the worst part too is then you still have to go back down. Like we get down from there, we get down to that base camp, and then you have to go down another however many thousand feet from there. And my back just started tightening up. And it was a grind of a session that I was not prepared for. You're not selling it. You're not selling it at all. I will say this. Knowing you and what I've seen you do in these movies, and I think you would absolutely crush it. And I told everybody I would not do it ever again. but there is something where when you go through something that taxing and that intense, I would go with my daughters because I think it's a transformative experience if you've never done anything like that.

1:39:56And Kilimanjaro is for sure, like there's nothing more like

1:40:00Jason Kelce:symbolic than like overcoming struggles and like adversity than like climbing them out and getting to the top, right? That is a very symbolic thing. And it feels like Kilimanjaro is like the most approachable of all the major summits for novice climbers. So if you're thinking about it, I highly recommend it. It's awesome. I feel like I just used up all of our time to talk to you, telling the story. So I'm going to stop talking now. My next trip. So yeah. Yeah. You'll enjoy it. And also hate it. Which is how you love. You have to hate it a little. There you go. I understand the whole like, you know, wanting to do something with your daughters.

1:40:39I'm always looking for something like that that I can go into because otherwise I'll just end up living in a Sephora for the rest of my life. I must get out of Sephora. And I just took my my oldest girl is very like she's a scaredy cat. Like she's very pensive, you know, she's which I love because I'm like, you're going to be safe. I'm not going to worry about you when you leave. And then the little one's a daredevil, like just completely crazy. but I spent spring break with them and I was trying to find something like what you were talking about that we could do together. That would be like, like we'd get to the end of a real accomplishment.

1:41:13We did that. And so we, we went to Hawaii and I found this, um, zip lining company and I didn't tell them cause I knew they would just say no. So when we landed, I said, we're going to play a game. Everybody's going to say one thing and we all have to do that one thing and so mine was zip lining nice the fear that my it was and it was pouring rain it could not have been more miserable we ended up so high it was like eight zip lines to get down scary like really and you're tied to a rope you can't go backwards you can't go forwards i was like this is gonna go so wrong and my oldest daughter didn't want to wear the raincoat because It didn't look cute.

1:41:56So she's in her. Of course. Dripping, dripping water. And I'm like, you should have put the raincoat on. But we got to the end of it. And it was really, it's, you can't describe it. Like it's, it's so much work as a parent to do these things. But at the end, you're just like, wow, we got in the van and everybody was laughing about it. And the hard work that it is to get you guys up here and look at you now. You've got a wet sweatshirt on and you're still happy.

1:42:24Jason Kelce:There we go. it's it's weird it's like the even in football like the misery that you go through with your teammates are what you talk about the most like you talk about camping and 100 degrees and you're all out there sweating and hating life but it somehow brings you closer together it's weird exactly we got one last question last one we will stop taking up your time but we have to know we ask all of our guests what was their welcome uh to their profession moment so what was your welcome to Hollywood moment. It sounds like a written moment in like a very cheesy Lifetime original movie. But I landed at LAX and I knew nothing about Los Angeles.

1:43:07As a matter of fact, I thought I was getting a one-way ticket to Hollywood. And when the ticket came, I was like, it said Los Angeles. I was like, God damn it.

1:43:19It's appropriate. That's an appropriate response. I grew up South Africa, okay? And I grew up on a farm. I did not know any of this stuff. So I drove in a taxi from LAX, and I just remember I stayed. He took me to this hotel called The Farmer's Daughter, which now is a really nice little hotel, very boutique-y, but back when I stayed there, it was rented by the hour. I was like, I can afford this. and when we were when the way he he must have taken me a scenic route because it's not the natural route to get to this place but i just remember on one of the roads i actually saw part of the hollywood sign and and i just went it was like oh yeah and i was like i'm here i'm gonna make it you're doing it hell yeah that's awesome that's so awesome called my mom that night and i I was like, I saw the Hollywood sign.

1:44:15I was very proud of myself. It was a moment where I definitely felt like, oh, now I'm in Los Angeles.

1:44:20Jason Kelce:Yeah. That's awesome. Just hit all right there. That's awesome. And to be honest, I can attest, like, it's hard to find that. I hear you saying he took you the scenic route. It's hard to actually find the sign if you don't know where it is or exactly what view you can get to see it. But seeing it is magical. And for you to be going to LA for the first time and seeing that, um, in the start of the career, uh, had to be epic. It might've been the route of a serial killer.

1:44:50I'm like, yeah, it was a very, I'm just telling you to the Cedar ground. Don't ask questions. Interestingly enough, somewhere on the trip, you must've decided against it because it didn't, he didn't kill me. So I wonder what I did in the car that made him go, Oh, not this one. I'm going to take her back. thank you man who drove me serial killer for not killing me well we thank you congrats on another amazing movie can't wait to see uh how everyone just raves over this one and uh best of luck to you in the future on on all the other movies that you have coming thank you so much for the stories and your time and uh wishing you the best thank you so much you guys thank you and i'm so happy You love the movie.

1:45:29Thank you.

1:45:30Jason Kelce:Yes, absolutely. All right. Bye. I will say, sorry, you shouted out the best book. You shouted out the mind hunter book. Oh, Oh, you love that book.

1:45:42You said that I was like, that's on the fucking shelf. I know where that is. Oh my God. I thought you just like Googled, searched it and like slipped a note.

1:45:51Jason Kelce:Brandon's our resident serial killer. listen you want to go see you want you want the la tour i'll take you on the la tour you want to take you don't tempt me with a good time i feel like i need to do a whole other podcast with you come on back yes come on back anytime it'll be four hours long and it'll be just me talking about like zodiac and it'll be upsetting for everybody that's so amazing you're you're definitely my favorite out of the three now. Let's fucking go! Brandon swoops in. Shut up. I came in right at the end. All right. All right, that's it for our conversation with Charlize Theron.

1:46:29Jason Kelce:She's so badass, man. She really is. So many badass films, too. Well, once again, that convo was brought to you by Reese's. And that wraps up another episode of New Hides, brought to you by Liquid IV. Thank you to Charlize Theron. Check out Apex on Netflix April 24th. Make sure you subscribe to the new heights channel on youtube or wherever you get your pockets that's right once again new heights is a wondery show follow the show on all social media at new heights show with one s for uh fun clips throughout the week we're gonna have a bunch after that charlie's there an interview man she's a badass you guys are badasses thanks to the new heights production team for being a motherfucking badass and thanks to the 92 we'll see you guys next week good luck in draft day

1:47:20I literally thought you were making muscles.

1:47:23Jason Kelce:No, don't mind me. Here's my muscles and my pit stains. This is how two football players podcast. They flex at you for 10 minutes and then... I thought you were kissing. Yeah, my God. Okay. All right. We show our pit stains and flex our guys.