NFL Draft Recap & Blake Griffin on NBA Playoffs, Retirement, Kobe Stories, Lob City & More | Ep 189

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20:52Jason Kelce:Learn more about Amex's partnership with the NFL and premium events collection at go.amex.nfl. Thank you to our partner, Reese's. All righty, before we get into it, we can pull up the photo of Arval Reese at the draft in his Reese's suit. Okay, another Clevelander on the Reese's train. I see you, dog. There we go, there we go. Look at him, look at the young fella. Complete tux with the Reese's on the inside. Oh, wow, ball player right there if I've ever seen one. Anyway, Reese's has two new limited edition cups, the returning Reese's Strawberry PB &J Cup and the new Reese's Marshmallow Cup. Two winning combos for an epic lunch.

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21:42Jason Kelce:Whether you're in school or almost after summer, these new Reese's are the lunchtime redemption you never know you needed. They might make you wonder if everything happens for a Reese's. Hi. I see what you did there. I see what you did. How's he doing now? You're insane. Well, how about we get into some NFL draft recap, Jason? How about it, huh? I love that idea, Travis. I had a feeling you'd be down. Draft recap is brought to you by Expedia, the one place you go to go places. Chiefs picks, we moved up to pick six. We had the ninth pick and the 29th pick, and we traded up for the best DB in the draft, baby.

22:28Jason Kelce:Nice. He almost like he knew it was coming. Is that a red suit? He was in a red suit? No, I think the red light is on him. I think it was more of like a. It's making it look more. Yeah, it was more of like, what's that color? Like a. I don't know. I'm terrible with colors. Like a dusty rose. But DB Manchur. He's down there. Louisiana guy, I believe. Went to LSU. And this face was made when he saw the Chiefs trade up. So he knew he was going to a pretty respectable team once this happened. and I'm sure he got the call when he saw him going up. Delane on getting drafted by the Chiefs. A lot of top 10 teams, they're really not too good, but that's not the situation here.

23:05We have a championship team. Just had one little down year, but we're right back at it. And that's what I'm talking about, baby. Already coming with the fucking mindset of being a fucking top team. I absolutely love it. We had the first round pick, the 29th pick, as well as moving up to get Delane. Clemson D and Peter Woods at 29. And I'm pretty pumped about getting somebody on the other side of Chris Jones there on the D-line. Obviously, speed is out the world at how big he is. And I think he's going to fit right in in Spag's scheme here.

23:36Jason Kelce:Yeah, I mean, listen, I think that's one of the beautiful things about Spag's scheme. He can find guys that really fit what he envisions within the defense. He's always very multiple. You see guys that go in there and do specific tasks. And obviously they like this kid to go up there and get him in the first round. And I also like the Delane pick. That defensive backfield has been picked apart so much over the past, what, three years or so. You know, Justin Reed. You got LeJarious Sneed. I'll say this. A lot of the big-name DBs that we've had in years past are elsewhere right now. So getting an unbelievable DB, the best in the draft, and then getting a guy on the D-line that can really help Chris Jones not get double teamed as much or at least create matchups to where this kid can thrive early on and really bring something to the team.

24:27I think that's going to be a huge part to the defense. But, I mean, it doesn't stop there on the D-line. We got R. Mason Thomas, Edge from Oklahoma. The guy's a fucking freak of nature in terms of athleticism and explosiveness. I can't wait to see how this guy gets after the quarterback, man. It's been kind of something that the Chiefs have been looking at to get better at, and that's getting after the QB and really putting quarterbacks under duress, man. Obviously, we've always had Chris Jones there, and George is a fucking workhorse. Got Gillette last year, but I think this is going to be a game changer at the edge position.

25:02I know he had a hamstring last year on an unbelievable fumble recovery. So we'll see him when he gets in the building. I'm sure Spags will have a fun time putting him to work as well. There we go.

25:12Jason Kelce:Who else we got here? We got another cornerback from Oregon. He's kind of more of a nickel guy. I'm excited to see this guy get to work. Spags is obviously his nickel package is it can get confusing to a lot of guys. So I'm sure Jaden Kennedy is going to fucking be be quite the chess piece for Spags. But after that, two to three picks that I'm pretty fucking excited about. And that's because they're all finally got to the offensive side of the ball in round five. Emmitt Johnson running back from Nebraska. I believe he was like first team Big Ten, won a few awards at the running back position last year.

25:47We actually got to see him live when Nebraska played Cincinnati at Arrowhead. And then the other sideline, Cyrus Allen, wide receiver from Cincinnati, who I am fucking jacked up to see. We got another Bearcat in the building. We actually got two Bearcats in the building. One came as well as Jeff Caldwell in the free agency pickup. But Cyrus Allen, he's a route runner, man. He's a route runner. When we were talking about, you know, what do I want to see in a guy in the wide receiver room? He has his own twist on a lot of routes, and he has the quickness. He has the decisiveness. He really knows how to use his shoulders and his quickness and rhythm to get DBs in a bind, man.

26:27Jason Kelce:Listen, he's from Cincinnati, so you know he's going to be tough. You know he's going to be physical. He's going to be a guy that loves football, and he loves drafting Bearcats. I mean, look how many successful Bearcats he's drafted. Not just me and you, Brent Selick, Trent Cole. Brian Cook. Oh, Cook. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, either way, Andy loves the Bearcats. Cyrus Allen, Cincinnati Bearcat. Tough. Physical. Fast. Rawr! Get this dude out of here. Overall, I thought we did an unbelievable job on getting young guys that look like they love ball on the film that I watched of them and look like they can come in and help out right away, man.

27:04Jason Kelce:Garrett Nussmeyer, son of a coach. I was actually with his father in Philadelphia. We'll see. Yeah. What do you think of the Chiefs draft class, Trav? A lot of defense early, getting some offensive pieces late. I guess you got to solve some of the offensive stuff early in the draft this year or earlier in free agency this year with Kenneth Walker. Yeah, man, I'm pumped. I'm pumped on just seeing these young guys getting in the building. You know, I thought we had a great team last year. We got a lot of those pieces back, and the ones that we lost, we filled those needs ASAP. So I think these guys, once they get in the building, they feel the culture and they feel how we do things here.

27:37It's an exciting time, man. And I thought shout out to Brett Veach and the crew for doing their – doing hard work and getting the guys that we need in the building.

27:47Jason Kelce:All righty. Well, Eagles also had a draft this week, and they went round one, pick 20, Makai Lemon, wide receiver out of USC, was the Bolitnikoff. I don't know if that's how you say it, but he was the receiver of the year in college football. Should be pretty good. This was a patented Howie Roseman pick. He was expected to be a top 15 guy, started sliding, and how he trades up ahead of the Steelers to snag him at pick 20. You know, this is just further proof that I think this Eagles offense is changing, right? Like, you know, the Eagles and Jalen Hurts have not thrown the ball over the middle of the field very much.

28:21Jason Kelce:That's something that fans have criticized a lot. And this was really most of his production in college, right? He's a shorter guy, going to operate out of the slot, a little bit smaller, but he is physical. You put that film on, man. This guy can play some fucking ball. Catches everything. They're playing some highlights where he is going up and getting the ball. Strong receiver, too, man. He is a strong receiver. A lot of the comparisons are the Amon Ross St. Brown, Mini Puka Nakua. And you see exactly what this offense that Sean Mannion is bringing with all the motions and shifting the formations from three by one to two by two.

28:58Jason Kelce:having those guys insert some of the creative, unique things they might be able to do with this guy. Cowboys, not too happy that the Eagles traded up for him or that the Cowboys traded with the Eagles to allow them to come up to 20 and draft. Makai Lemon, at JDCowboys2, I deadass would have rather traded with North Korea. That's a pretty hilarious tweet right there. I don't know how many picks North Korea had in this one. Didn't see a lot of the Koreans off the board. We have Jerry Jones on trading with the Eagles. If I eliminated trading with all the teams that I wanted to beat their ass, you wouldn't have anybody left to trade with.

29:31Meaning he wants to whoop everybody's ass, not just the Eagles. So if he needs to trade, he's not just not trading to one team.

29:39Jason Kelce:Well, we sure appreciate it. We sure appreciate it. Eagles have done this where they've been trading up recently. I feel like Howie, a lot of this has gone from when he sees somebody sliding and sees the perceived value, especially if it's at a position of need, he is not shy of pulling the trigger. Did the same thing with Jalen Carter. Obviously, we drafted value with Cooper DeGene as he was sliding in the draft a couple years ago. They've been doing a great job of getting value out of some of these picks in terms of where the consensus has them rated. Pick two, they go tight end from Vanderbilt, Eli Stowers.

30:11Jason Kelce:I don't know anything about him because I don't watch a lot of college football. I do know that. I know quite a bit about him, man. This kid is a fucking stud. Well, then go ahead, Travis. Please tell me. Please tell me. You guys got a stud, man. The word around town is he doesn't have quite the size, But I'm telling you, man, this kid knows how to play some fucking football, man. He knows how to run routes. He's got a good feel. He can run. And when he has the ball in his hands, man, you'd be surprised on how much, you know, with this lack of size that they're saying, how many tackles he breaks and just how good he is, man.

30:41He was one of Vanderbilt's best players, I thought, when I watched him play.

30:45Jason Kelce:And again, it's another thing with this offense, right? Big decisions you have to make. Do you go 11 personnel? Do you go 12 personnel? How can you do all these runs and concepts and motioning guys around it? 12 personnel, a lot of teams utilize it. I mean, the Rams were utilizing 13 personnel, one running back with three tight ends. When you have a guy that can go out wide while also coming inside and block linebackers and safeties, you know, crack down on the defensive end, you have screen options with them. These guys are very valuable, and we see it addressed right away with the first round pick with Mekhi Lemon and the second round pick with Eli Stowers.

31:18Jason Kelce:Oh, yeah. Third pick, they address the offensive line. Obviously, Lane Johnson is getting a little bit older. We thought they would take a tackle at some point. Some people thought it would be earlier in the draft. They end up addressing it at the third round at pick 68 with Markel Bell. Monstrous of a man. This guy is huge. We don't have his stats up here, but he's something like 6 '9", 350, basically. He is a big boy. He's a big boy. He's a big man out here in Philadelphia. How big of a boy are you? He's a big boy. He's a big old son of a gun. Honestly, this one, I mean, mountain of a man, long arms, big old hands, not the most fleet of foot, which is a little surprising in some ways to me because this system is more rooted in outside zone concepts.

32:01Jason Kelce:Traditionally, these offenses have drafted guys that can open their hips and run and cut off on the backside and do screens and play well with the misdirection game. This guy is suited to be a great pass buffer, right? Drop back, long arms, very rangy, going to be very good in that regard as long as he can mirror and redirect with people. More of a power downhill guy, which some of these offenses have shifted recently. The Rams now run more duo than they do outside zone, right? Those offenses started in outside zone. Now they're running more dive concepts, more downhill plays. Maybe that's something that'll tell you about what the Eagles think they might do in the future.

32:39Jason Kelce:They don't go with the smaller, more athletically nimble tackle. They go with the big stalwart that'll be able to protect the quarterback and run downhill runs. Interesting pick there in the third round. Round five, they go Cole Payton. Get a little quarterback depth from North Dakota State. We've had some North Dakota State success at the quarterback position. Okay, Carson. Shout out. Yeah, Cole Payton. Interesting, you know, we still have Tanner McKee on the roster. Obviously, Jalen Hurts is a starter. We still have Tanner McKee. Still have, or went out and signed in this offseason, Andy Dalton.

33:15Jason Kelce:Now we have another quarterback in the room in Cole Payton in round five. Round six, they go Micah Morris, different than Markel Bell. Equally as big. Monstrous, man. This guy is explosive. He's close to that 350 Bill Mark II. I mean, he's a big boy. He's a big boy out here in Philadelphia. of you. He's close to 340 pushing that, something like that. I mean, the jersey's hanging on for dear life when you put that tape on. He is 6 '5", huge, but this guy can move. I mean, he's jumping 30 inches at that weight. He's running sub 5 in the 40. I don't even know if that's true, but his RAS score was off the charts.

33:49I get this dude out of here.

33:51Jason Kelce:Anyways, but honestly, this guy can move. Very explosive. Honestly, you look at the metrics, it's like, why was this guy around in the 6th round, which kind of is concerning a little bit. Like when you're that big, that strong, that fast, you're not supposed to be there in the sixth round, right? You're usually going earlier. So maybe the tape is more of a developmental player. I don't know what it's, I didn't watch them specifically, but when you look at the metrics, like this guy should be a much higher pick. Maybe he doesn't bend well. I don't know. We'll find out though. I'm excited to watch him play.

34:19Jason Kelce:I like watching big athletic freaks of nature, which gets me to the next guy in the seventh round Or Bernard from Nigeria. He's never even fucking played football. But he looks like a Nigerian guy, not a Greek guy, a Nigerian Greek guy. He's fucking huge. Look at him. Pull him up. Pull up his shit. Six, four and a half, 306 pounds, 6 % body fat. 39 inch vertical. 10 foot 10 broad jump. 14 inches longer than any other defense to tackle. 4 '6", 340. If you put it side by side with Miles Garrett, he's dwarfing him. One caveat, no, he hasn't played football. Oh, yeah. Yeah, just a small. He's a D-line, man.

34:55Jason Kelce:Just fucking run fast and hit people and get in the way. Wreak havoc. Knock shit over your fucking superhuman. Put his highlights up of him working out. Because I do want to point this out. I'm kind of being funny. There's a lot on this kid's shoulder because of what happened with Jordan Molata, right? The Eagles in the seventh round. Well, there's a lot on this kid's shoulders because he just got compared to Miles Garrett. Well, before we get to it, watch these highlights and tell me what you see. Because I noticed something right away that I think is going to take some time to develop. Not this part.

35:24Jason Kelce:Look at that. I mean, what the fuck is this? It's like they went to the Arnold Classic and found the biggest specimen they could. Here's where I started noticing stuff. What do you see? I mean, he's just not used to moving like a football player. He can get going straight, but he's just got to put in a lot of work. And it's a different type of skill set, man. Exactly. Well, here's the thing. The metrics are off the charts. So to get a guy with this much physical talent in the seventh round is incredible. but he's never played the game. There's a level of stiffness in the change of direction and the agility that he's going to have to develop.

35:59Right. And there's an understanding of the game to have the savviness to play the game within the game. That is. Yeah, exactly. It's definitely a developmental guy, but to get drafted in the seventh round is quite the feat for him. All that hard work that he's done to put into his body to get to where he is right now, man, hats off brother.

36:16Jason Kelce:If he can learn to play with great pad level, work on changing direction more efficiently, using his hands. If this all pans out, you could have an incredibly high player with a high ceiling. Those are a lot of ifs. And it is rare for a guy that's never played the game to just come in and learn the sport, even though football, and defensive line in particular, like, dude, you take big, fast, strong people, they usually pan out. But this is a very green player. It did work out with Jordan Milata. For every Jordan Milata it works out with, there are guys that it doesn't work out with. I remember Brock Lesnar got brought into a camp one year with the Minnesota Vikings, and he was there for maybe one or two preseason games.

36:55Jason Kelce:I mean, he is a physical specimen. You have to also have the knowledge of the game, the desire, the love of the game, especially if you're going to be playing in the trenches. You've got to want it. We're going to see how much he wants it, man, because you're going to get double teamed. You're going to get blindside. You're going to get trap-blocked. It's as much of a mental game in that interior as it is physical. And it can get pretty taxing on you if you – or at least it can get pretty humbling in the beginning for him. So hopefully he sticks at it, and hopefully the Eagles found someone that's got that Jordan Molotta type of spark to him.

37:32Jason Kelce:Well, what Jordan had obviously was great coaching too. You know, Jeff Stetland, it took him two years working with Jordan to try and get him on the field, right? He almost got cut up until the moment he started producing. This guy's going to be working with Clint Hurt, you know, Jeremiah Washburn. There's really good coaches that the Eagles have on that side of the ball. And if I'm a coach, I am so excited to work with this kid. Like you see these metrics, you know, there's potential there. The explosion, the linear ability to move is astronomical. Like you don't see these kinds of numbers out of football players really ever at this size.

38:05Yeah.

38:05Jason Kelce:So if that type of linear explosion, if we can get the agility going, if we can get the body mechanics right. And we can teach the technique and rushing the passer and defending the run and how to use your hands and how to sink your hips and understand formations. There's going to be a learning process, but I am very excited to see if this kid can get it done. Do you think he's an interior D-line or do you think he's an edge guy? They gave the comparison to Myles Garrett, the 40 and the broad jump and the explosiveness, all that sounds good on paper, but I think he's kind of more of a three technique just based off of how his hips are and just, you know, the techniques and everything like that.

38:43Jason Kelce:I think he'll be a 3-4 D end and he'll be a three technique when they reduce from a certain side, right? Like he's not going to be, he might be able to play a five technique with like an outside background, the ball outside of him. I doubt they have him on the edge, right? I doubt he's going to be that player. Maybe, you know, some teams have done that with bigger guys, especially early downs. to just man-mountain-dean tight ends. But I would expect this guy probably to get a lot of work at three technique, four eye, five technique, and base defense. I can't wait to see this guy put the pads on first day.

39:19I can't wait.

39:20Jason Kelce:I want to go down there just to watch myself. He had three picks in the seventh round. There was actually a pick right before that. I glossed over it. Cole Wisniewski, safety from Texas Tech, played with a Wisniewski. He would not transition to a safety. We also got round seven, pick 252, Keyshawn James Newby, outside linebacker, New Mexico. So Eagles opposite of the Chiefs, they go offense early with some of those higher picks. And then once they got to the later rounds, really started addressing some of the defensive needs. Well, still it's primarily offense, actually. They didn't draft the defensive guy until round seven.

39:54Jason Kelce:But then they went straight defense. Either way, I'm excited a lot about this class. The other part of the Eagles draft was Howie trading the two third-round picks to the Vikings for Jonathan Grenard. This was a missing piece on that defense. Obviously, Jalen Phillips signed a$120 million deal in free agency. They lost out on that edge defender who really brought a lot to the defense midway through the season. Now they get Jonathan Grenard, a very good player from Minnesota. More years, 100 mil. Yeah. How much money does Philly have, man? Howie is a wizard. I mean, he just finds a way to get it done.

40:33Jason Kelce:You know, I don't know that. I feel like they can finagle whatever they want because they just know how to structure it. I don't really understand how it works. Oh, also got to shout out Jeffrey Lurie for spending the money. But yeah, they find a way to get really good players. And they do it very often by spending a fuck ton of money. So shout out to the Lurries for investing in the team. Shout out to Howie for understanding the salary cap and how to finagle every dollar you can out of that thing to maximize the talent on the roster. So that was also a huge part of the Eagles draft, which ultimately with that alone is a successful draft.

41:08Jason Kelce:Makai Lemon pan out. Some of these guys, they picked the tight end from Vanderbilt. I mean, this guy in the seventh round, if we get another Jordan Malata, although I don't want to start anointing him yet. A lot to like about this draft from the Eagles. um all righty outside of eagles and chiefs there were a bunch of other players selected in this year's draft yeah roughly uh 290 we do not watch a lot of these guys but we are excited to see someone play obviously everybody's talking about fernando mendoza number one overall to the raiders and people have known that for a long time only the fourth quarterback since 1967 to win the heisman the natty and go number one overall in the same season that's an interesting stat there you go i'm interested to see you know exactly how they how they go about playing them obviously they have Kirk Cousins.

41:51I know Ty Simpson was picked by the Rams.

41:55Jason Kelce:Matthew Stafford. Our guy Matt Stafford is still obviously the, he's just one MVP. He'll be the starter there. So you get a guy that's, you know, looking to learn under him. I'm not, I'm interested to see if, you know, that's the approach the Raiders take. Yeah. Where do you stand on that? Like I do. I mean, I'm for it obviously because I've seen it work. I've seen it happen. I've, you know, I've seen Pat Mahomes learn under Alex Smith. You got Aaron Rodgers, Pat Mahomes, a lot of really big name guys sat for a second, but there's also a lot of big Tom Brady behind you, Bledsoe. There's a learning process, but at the same point to what Deion Sanders said, man, I ain't never learned nothing sitting on the bench.

42:37Jason Kelce:Like you need to go out there and play to do the best. Like the Deion, that was a epic fucking quote. It was a banger. Peyton Manning, I mean, led the league in interceptions, but he played his rookie year and learned a lot. I'm sure. Yeah. I mean, look what Caleb Williams was able to do last year. I do think in general, more so than playing or not, I think it's really good for young quarterbacks in particular to learn how to prepare, to learn how to watch film, to learn all that stuff from veteran quarterbacks that have been doing it for a long time and know that side of it. So like Mendoza. Yeah.

43:07Jason Kelce:And Kirk's one of the best at that. Yeah. Yeah. Mendoza is in a great situation just being in the same room with Kirk Cousins, regardless of what the playing time situation ends up being at the end of the day. He is going to learn a ton about what it takes to compete and prepare at the highest level. Same thing, obviously, for Ty Simpson. And I'm sure he's got old Tom Brady right there in his back pocket, helping him if he ever needs, you know, an extra voice. That's a good point. There's another guy there. Yeah, you're right. All right. Well, outside of those quarterbacks, another big draft pick for this show was Jets Jake not getting who he wanted the Jets to take because he knows exactly who should have been taking it number two.

43:43Dude, David Bailey is a fucking dog. You cannot possibly be upset at them getting David Bailey. Oh, he is. The dude is a fucking game changer.

43:53Jason Kelce:Jake, before they picked, said, don't mess it up, Jets, with a picture of a handwritten sticky note. Arvel Reese, no matter what. I mean, he put in the time to really study who they should pick. I mean, listen, Arvel Reese, Glenville High School up there in Northeast Ohio, up in Cleveland. The Glenville guy. Oh, yeah. Went to Glenville, Ohio State to the NFL, as we know it. For a lot of guys, it's almost a powerhouse up there in Cleveland. It's a pipeline, for sure. Yeah, getting guys to Ohio State or getting guys to the Big Ten and into the NFL. Yep. So I'm excited for, you know, just to see Arvell Reese, you know, play some football in the league, man, fellow Cleveland guy.

44:35But I think David Bailey was a pretty goddamn good pick.

44:39Jason Kelce:Nothing will bring me greater joy than when David Bailey turns into like a 10-year New York Jet, like multiple Pro Bowls and is like, yeah. I just can't wait for Jake to have to eat that entire sticky note. Sorry. Love you, Jake. All right, last thing. Shout out to linemen Caleb Lomu, drafted in flip-flops and jorts. This is a big green flag for offensive linemen wearing jorts and flip-flops. With a quarter? No. I mean, I'm fine with a quarter zip. Quarter zip's nice and comfy. I got those nice jeans. So nice. Yeah, they're not cutoffs. Definitely better. It's a bigger green flag if you cut off those jean shorts yourself.

45:16Jason Kelce:Those are bought jorts. What's that? Bought jorts. Not made jorts. Well, maybe he's not as good with scissors. Either way, I did love the internet falling in love with him dancing. Did you see these dance moves from my guy, Caleb? I did. I did see them. but I'll see him again. Come on, put him up there. Very similar. Lane Johnson's got some similar moves. I've seen him pull in the locker room. I think it's a, he's got good hips, fluidity, smooth. To be, to move like this, you know, you gotta be kind of athletic. You can't just be pulling that out if you're big stiffy. No, listen, if you're, hey, hey.

45:54Jason Kelce:I think this is a major green flag. I really do. Good hips, rhythm, loose, confident. Come on now. Show it all, big dog. That's hilarious. All righty. That's a wrap for the New Heights Draft Recap. The New Heights Draft Recap was brought to you by Expedia. Yes. Thank you to our partner, Expedia. Summer trips, weekend getaways. Most of us have travel on the brain right now. And honestly, you want to keep planning simple. That's where Expedia comes in. It's the all-in-one travel shop. Ain't that the truth. flights, hotels, vacation rentals, cars, activities, everything is right there on the app.

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49:30Jason Kelce:God damn. That alone will be the most electric episode we've ever done. So what about this one? Do you remember this one? Holy shit. How did you learn to jump so high? What were you thinking? What were you thinking when you did that? When you jumped over Timothy Mozgov, was that planned? Or how did you feel about that? like i told you that i'm trying to dunk for the first time in my life right i told you this right yeah that's right how's it going well i tore my quad oh so not good no i was gonna say he's yeah go ahead jason tell him how you tore your quad all right so i've been doing this type of training where apparently you like you lift heavy and then you do like explosive jumping afterwards that's supposed to make you jump higher if you're not born naturally with it right so i was doing heavy quarter squats supplemented with jumping on top of a box so um i had well i did seven plates the week before and i was doing quarter squats of that and then jumping up on the box and it was working my initial height of jumping my initial height of jumping like running and jumping my initial height of running and jumping was like 10 6 like it was embarrassing start i was up over 10 10 so I was like high enough to get there I feel like so I just wanted like that no see I got a little chance

50:58Jason Kelce:so I so I try to get just one more inch hopefully and I go back in there and I'm squatting again in the second the week after that I tore my quad doing the quarter squat and had to sit it down. But I'm getting ready to start it again. Do you have any – like how did you learn to jump so high? What are the techniques that you implemented to jump over human beings? I got to be honest, man. Having a black dad helps.

51:28I don't know. I mean, my mom, you know, God bless her. She didn't bring much to the table. She's a great athlete in her own right. more of a more of a runner you know long distance uh yeah i don't know that that helps for sure i uh i gotta say the quarter squat box jump combo wasn't really in my uh wasn't in my you didn't have to resort to that yeah i've been doing this

51:56Jason Kelce:thing called the penultimate step have you ever heard of the penultimate step all right i'm gonna stop talking i'm just gonna do your intro all right here we go No, man, I just jumped. That felt like that was the intro right there. All right, all right. Our guest today is the 6 '9 forward from the University of Oklahoma. He was the number one pick in the 2009 NBA draft, the 2011 Rookie of the Year, 2011 Slam Dunk Contest champion, six-time NBA All-Star, five-time All-NBA. He made his broadcasting debut this NBA season. His studio panelists on Amazon Prime, 92%. Please welcome perhaps the greatest dunker of all time, Blake Griffin!

52:41Hyped up right now. Yeah, baby.

52:45Jason Kelce:I am sweating. I am sweating from that. He usually blows a gasket. Well, yeah, it blows a blood vessel in your eye. Appreciate you jumping on the show, man. How's broadcasting going, dog? You guys are in the heat of the fucking playoffs right now. You get the full year under your belt. How have you been enjoying Amazon? It's been awesome, man. I figured I was going to enjoy it. Obviously, we love the sport we play, but I enjoy it so much more. And part of that is just like, dude, I get to sit in a room and watch the games with Dirk Nowenski, Steve Nash, Udonis Haslam. Taylor Rook is our host, and she's awesome.

53:17So it's like we just sit there and we watch games and talk, and that part's fun. But also trying to usher in this new era of sports media and how people view the game, especially in basketball. I think football, they do such a good job. but basketball I think it needed sort of like a education and like an uplifting standpoint because obviously like you guys know like it's not easy like we're all we're all you know training extremely hard trying to win putting forth so much effort and you know sometimes it comes down to these little things so just trying to like educate fans to to sort of see the game I guess through the way we see it um it's been a blast but I've had I've had so much fun well Jason is very much one of those people that think everybody in the NBA is just out there running and jumping and chucking up threes.

54:03Jason Kelce:I've never said that once. Not wrong, not wrong. Let me ask you this. How has the game changed? Because it does feel like the NBA has changed from, especially when we were kids, it's continuing to evolve. It's continuing to use more floor space. How have you seen it continue to change now as an analyst from when you played? Well, for one, the pace has changed and there's there's all these advanced analytics that talk about pace, right? But pace is sort of a deceiving stat because it's sort of just tracking, you know, how much you're going up and down. But now with every player being so skilled, like now centers shoot threes, power forwards, everybody shoots threes.

54:40Everybody can handle the ball to a certain extent. Now some guys don't, but most teams and most of the good teams, everybody is such a dynamic player that the court is even more spread out. So now you're seeing longer closeouts. You're seeing guys be able to drive and kick and all that stuff in the half court is happening so much more. I also think that a side note, like that's why we're seeing a few more injuries. Like the pace is sure. It's similar to like the nineties, but there is so much more movement and so much more dynamic. Interesting. You know, we, we've gotten to a place where the game, I think the game is in a good place.

55:12It's just different than it was. And a lot of that was, you know, golden state coming in and you know, splash brothers and all these teams shooting threes. And I also had this thing where it's like, you know, that was great for them. And they had two of the best shooters of all time. Yeah. And now you're sort of watching, you know, some of these other teams, like teams that are sort of tanking or rebuilding and young, and they're playing the same way. And it's like, it's glaring when you're taking 53s and you're missing 42. 53s? 50 fucking 3s. Make some adjustments. Is insane. Yeah. Insane for an entire game.

55:45I mean, by the way, that's like, it's like normal now. Like teams that don't even shoot the three well shoot high 40s. So, yeah, it's wild. But I can always find things that I really appreciate about the game. I mean, we have some of the best young players. We sort of have this weird moment right now, or it's a great moment of like, we still have the LeBrons, the KDs, the Stephs, like all these guys that we've known for years. But we also have these young guys who are fucking incredible. And they are like ushering in this new era of superstars. So, to me, the game's in such a good place. And I'm excited about it.

56:21Give me a quick three of these young guys. Who do you think is really going to be taking over this league? Or who are your three favorite or a couple of them right now? I mean, Wimby is like – That's insane, dude. He's an alien. Can't tell me he's not an alien. If you haven't had a chance to see him play in person, I got to see him in person for the first time. Like his follow-through on a free throw is like 9-10. You know what I mean? Think about when he jumps and when he fades away, you're not blocking it. And then defensively, it's fun to watch him play defense, and we don't really say that often about guys.

56:54So he's like the obvious outlier of just like a complete freak of nature, but also so dedicated to the game. Shea's obviously just on his chair. That's crazy, man. We'll win another MVP, in my opinion, and they're the best team in basketball. Another guy I love watching play is Cade Cunningham. Nice. He's like – I think he's so good, and he's so under control. He finally took off this year. Had Detroit number one in the East. yeah so like i said game's in a good place and that's just that's just three of the few young guys that are really good are there guys in the league that you were you watch play and just like man if i just had one fucking dribble i'd fucking go up and put him in his place and stuff him in the fucking rim um yeah i mean you know it's like i don't know it's hard to i'm sure jason i'm sure Are you like, you know, it's hard to not to watch games and think like, oh, man, like certain moments, especially end of games, big plays, like big moments.

57:51Like it's that's the one thing that I feel like I do miss that you never really get back. But also like I gave everything I had in my career and I'm happy with what I'm doing now. And it's fun to fun to be on this side. But yeah, I'd for sure challenge challenge a lot of those guys. I'd try. It might not go well, but I'd try.

58:08Jason Kelce:Well, we got to ask you, as two Clevelanders, what do you think of the Cavs? What are we going to do in the playoffs? Toronto just tied it up. Yeah. I know. We'll see. So the biggest thing was like, man, like physicality in the playoffs over the last couple of years has sort of been the thing that they didn't match well. And the first two games against Toronto, you're like, man, this team looks pretty good. You know, they're playing free. I think they're so talented. Donovan Mitchell is unbelievable. We know what James Harden is. I think they just need to get some of that like, you know what, let's go out and let's play defense aggressively as we possibly can.

58:45Take the Oklahoma City model of like they just foul the shit out of people and they sort of look at the reps like, I dare you to call everyone. You can't. That's kind of the Belichick way in the NFL. Make them call it in the playoffs. You know what I mean? And the game just changes in the playoffs. So I love their team. I think like especially if Orlando gets past Detroit, like that's their matchup in the second round and Orlando's sort of up and down. and they match up well lengthwise. So I think they've got a chance. You just need to see them play like a really – a much more physical brand of basketball, I think, in my opinion.

59:18Come on, baby. Come on, Mobley. Come on, baby. Start throwing those fucking bows in the fucking paint, man. Mobley was the guy that like I realized like I should probably retire when I was like lined up next to him. Just a freak. Just 6 '11". Like I couldn't get around him. I was like, you know what? It's probably time.

59:36Jason Kelce:It's just time. is there an art with like the fouls to like one not get called but to just really get in the other person's head especially if they're like a shooter like what do you do to like take a team out of three-point shooting by getting maybe their best players rattled yeah I think it's like very player dependent um like some guys don't like contact some guys do like contact the guys that don't like contact it's about like from the tip like making sure you get a hand on or they feel you at every moment you know like really like making them realize hey it's gonna you're gonna be in for a long night like physically I'm gonna like I'm gonna I'm gonna rough you up a little bit for a team wise taking away the three is so hard because like we just talked about the court so spread out I think that's what Detroit's running into right now is you know they don't have a lot of great three-point shooting and on top of that they're not shooting the ball well from three and so that court just shrinks you know so they're packing the paint so now you're not getting inside as easily and the whole game changes so uh defensively like to me physicality in the playoffs is what really like sets team apart like oklahoma city like i just mentioned like they are they're on you at every moment of the game and yeah you know i i say they foul i wouldn't say they just play so physical that they're sort of setting the team that hits first and sets the physicality level, that's the team that sort of dictates the game, in my opinion.

1:01:04Similar in the NFL, man. If you come out and you fucking set the tone early, man, that'll put a team in a tough position. Yeah, is that like a thing you guys would like to talk or think about? Is like, hey, even if you're starting offensively, you're like, hey, we just want to make our presence felt first drive.

1:01:24Jason Kelce:First play, we're going to come out 13%. We're kind of out with three tight ends and we're going to run dive right at them. And we're going to set this tone. We're coming right down the middle. It would also be also telling what the coaches thought of the game. Cause it'd be like, Hey, second play. We're going to start with a trick play. And it's like, okay, you don't think we're going to have to physically. We're going straight to the trick plays. Got it coach. We're going flea flicker. They'll never, we got to sneak one off the top of these boys. He doesn't really believe in this type of thing.

1:01:55okay so like let me ask you a question like you'd come out like say you get hit in the mouth first how hard is it to change that through the course of the game um I mean again that probably it's

1:02:07Jason Kelce:depends on who it is like some guys the physicality affects them more in some positions it affects them more right like quarterback if you get rattled some of those guys can respond from it and some of those guys just the rest of the game are thinking about it and it makes them a tick off in their timing or get some off their spot they start setting up deeper which messes all sorts of other things up uh for me personally i don't know like if i got hit early i would just be like man next time that happens i'm gonna make sure i fucking don't get molly whopped you know what i mean like i'm gonna learn my lesson there i'm gonna go down with my head down and get a 15 your penalty but i'm not letting that happen again great great use of mollywop right there no i i kind of i kind of need that first hit i like that first hit that happened early for me it does kind of snap you into it it like kind of gets the juices flowing activates some things gets your get your mind into it and then from there it's just kind of like you know the armor is set and you're ready to fucking roll but i kind of like getting involved early so i get that catch and try and impose my will or set the tone with a first down or something like that, get up and start hooting and hollering and get guys pissed off on the other side of the ball.

1:03:20Oh, that's the best. When you know you've got a team pissed off, it's the best. Dude, so you used to play football? What position? You got to tell me, what age did you stop playing? I stopped my sophomore year. I was just playing too much basketball, but I was a wide receiver and a safety. I didn't really fill out until after my sophomore year. You were a safety? Were you 6 '9 as a sophomore? How tall were you? No, no. I was like sophomore year, I was probably only like 6. Or freshman year, I was probably like 6 '5, 6 '4. But I was, dude, I was so skinny. I could not put on weight. So it was like I couldn't play defensive end.

1:03:56I couldn't, you know. And Oklahoma football is like they took a series. So I was just like, they're like, just go out there and like, you know, just patrol around and any jump ball, just try to go get it. Right on, man. Did you ever do the Oklahoma drill? Oh, yeah, dude. Let's go. My eighth grade year was the first year I played tackle. We did the Oklahoma drill, and I made the mistake of like, all right, I'm really going to kind of like you said, I'm going to keep my head down and just got hit on the top of the head, like stinger all down my – Oh, the old whack-a-mole. Oh, man, that's the worst.

1:04:29Yeah, turtle. The last play of my high school career in the playoffs and caught a pass across the middle, maybe 10 yards, same play. caught another pass across the middle 10 yards. We go back to it. And this linebacker who was signed to like Tulsa or something, you know, small school in Oklahoma, just absolutely levels me. And all I remember is just like staring up into the night sky, trying to catch my breath. And I see him over me and he just does the, gets a penalty. And I was like, you know what?

1:05:00Jason Kelce:I think we're good. I think basketball maybe. Well, this is pertinent because we used to ask basketball guys, It wasn't in the rundown, but do you think you could have played in the NFL? I mean, I would have had to like really dedicate time to it. I mean, you never know. I mean, there's so many guys that are like later bloomers. Like, I think like when it comes to like this whole debate, I think it's very interesting because everybody thinks they can do everything else. But it's just like, I don't think people realize, like I've learned this from like talking to like, you know, Whitworth or like Ryan Khalil, you guys know.

1:05:35And it's like listening to them talk about the game of football and like all the nuances and all the things that they have to think about and do. It really like lets you know that like we are all we all don't know what we're talking about. Because you watch these guys do it and you're like, well, not that it looks easy, but you do it so well that you think like, oh, I could do that. But you also you're not thinking about all the variables and all these other things that are going into it. And like, you just don't know until you've been put in that situation. Like, I've had teammates who can't remember the play out of the timeout.

1:06:09Oh, no. Oh, no. What do we – Like, how can we – how could we expect somebody to go out and like be in a two-minute drill and like remember all this when like we can't remember one play?

1:06:21Jason Kelce:Just so you know, there's some guys that we've played with that aren't very good out the timeout either. Like that's not exclusive to baseball. There was one player not too long ago. who is in his later years, I'm not going to say who it was, but would literally leave the huddle on the biggest play of the game and ask me what he had. And I'm just like, what? God damn it. Oh, the amount of time. Yeah, it's tough. Like, hey, where am I supposed to be? And then I secretly tell him to do something so that I get open. It's the best. All right, here. Clear it out for me. Who do you have winning it all in the playoffs this year?

1:07:01Or the NBA championship, I'd just say. I mean, Oklahoma City is the best team, like barring like an injury. I mean, they're a little bit banged up right now, but they look fantastic. The East is super interesting to me because Boston was supposed to be, this was supposed to be like a down, down year. You know, like with all the injuries, they traded guys away. It was Jason Tatum was out. And then Jalen Brown just had a monster year. They had guys step up. Brad Stevens literally a couple hours ago won executive of the year. I mean, they just put this team together so well. Joe Mazzula's a great coach.

1:07:31Jason Tate is now back. And so to me now, after watching how, you know, Cleveland looks, Detroit looks, and the Knicks look, like, I'm like, man, Boston. Boston, in my opinion right now, is the team that's going to match up with Oklahoma City in the finals. But Oklahoma City healthy, man, like, that's tough. They're a good team. Being from Cleveland, I still hope that they find a way to get physical on the defensive side. Come on, Cavs! Come on!

1:07:56Jason Kelce:You heard it, boys. Just listen to Blake. Go listen to Blake. Go watch Lance Stevenson clips from when he was with the Pacers. Do you remember that? Just blowing on fucking LeBron's ear. That's not the physicality that we're talking about. That's not what Blake said. That's the opposite of what I'm talking about. Well, Blake, you and your brother got drafted in the same year. How about that? How often do you remind him that you were the first overall pick and he was 48 oh man you know what i uh pretty much every day no that was like dude that was like talk about like a dream come true i mean obviously you guys both got to play at the same time but like man like draft night like it was like a little stressful because it was like you know i i was fortunate enough to go one and then we were kind of waiting around and then when it happened it was just like this is the best night ever you know family friends there and like um you know to like do that thing that you've been watching on tv for so long and being like i one day hope to do it to do it with your brother the same year was was pretty cool and your uh your brother's do in the financial world now right yeah he's uh he started when he retired like my brother my brother was always like straight a student for a perfect great basketball player yeah yeah so annoying i was always taylor's brother growing up it was like oh that's Taylor's brother and it was like but yeah so when he retired like I was like man nobody better to like sort of have in my corner to like help me out and like I didn't even like as a man but he started sort of managing my investment stuff you know I was kind of like spread out all over the place and he put his head down and went around and met with a bunch of people and and really figured out that space really well I went to work for a PE company and and now we have a BC fund that we run and it's a blast.

1:09:50I mean, still to this day, being able to like, you know, like you guys, being able to like still do stuff together is like, it's the best. That was always, I was always little Kels. It was like, yeah, there's little Kels. He's pretty good at sports, but he can't read or write. So who knows?

1:10:08Who knows? We still haven't seen him play the game yet. Good kid. Good kid though. Good kid though. Yeah. We're looking at you now. You can read now. Yeah. Thank you. It's new audio. Yeah. That's why Jason does the intros. Hit that one on the head. Half the time, I can't even pronounce the name of the people we have out here.

1:10:29Jason Kelce:Your dad coached you guys in high school? Yeah, man. You guys had to have won state. We did. I won four and my brother won two. And it was – we played in like a little bit lower division. But, man, my dad was like a legendary high school basketball coach. He coached for 40-plus years and, like, 15 state championships, something like that. He must have played, right? Yeah, he played, like, basketball and football in college, like a small college. And then he coached football and basketball, and then he only coached basketball, I think, like, when I was young, I think maybe, like, eight or nine, he kind of stopped coaching football and just was, like, all basketball.

1:11:06These boys going to the NBA. Waste my time with that pigskin. He had a vision. yeah it was awesome though he was uh it was it was really cool and also like dude like you know like he pushed me harder than maybe another coach would have because he knew exactly how to make me make me work you know and and um i was like you know sounds like i was a little bit more like travis just a little bit a little scattered a little bit too much everybody saw the potential yeah exactly i'm like oh okay now okay now we'll give this kid a chance wow he's powerful he just he just jumped the top of the back that's amazing all those quarter squats man that's right dude when you came on the scene at ou holy fucking shit did you know that you were just gonna fucking take it over like that like i i don't i don't know how to explain it we were watching it from the fucking mid like like Cincinnati and Cleveland and you fucking were dunking on everybody going coast to coast fucking just the most athletic powerful did you know did you know you like we're gonna take over the fucking college basketball world like that no dude I mean my freshman year I had like a solid freshman year and and I like there was some moments my freshman year I was like okay like I can do this like I feel like you know I'm I'm getting a little bit of buzz here but decided to come back didn't enter the draft after my freshman year decided to come back and dude I went away my brother and I went and and worked out with us we found this trainer in San Francisco this guy's like nuts and we went for two straight months had no money you know in college and we worked out for two straight months it was like six days a week we were like running sand hills and he's like unconventional training we do basketball in the morning work out in the afternoon go back and do basketball and that's when I when I came back to campus for like summer workouts it was like a a very clear difference and like it was big for me because it's like I I realized you know the value of hard work and I always felt like I worked hard but like I really like put in put in a lot of time and that's sort of when I made that like jump and then my my sophomore year was kind of when I sort of broke out like on a national scale but man college was so fun.

1:13:21I loved every minute of it. Was it always Oklahoma? It actually wasn't. So my brother committed and played there his freshman year and then they got a new coach. Kelvin Sampson left. There was like some recruiting violations. They got this new coach and I honestly like, dude, I love Kansas. I love Florida. Thought about going to play with our boys. I'd known CP for years, you know, playing AU and stuff. And then I had like Duke and North Carolina on my list, but that was It was kind of like just like a – it felt like it was like a – just a lifelong dream of like Duke and North Carolina. But I wanted to go to a place where like, A, my brother was there.

1:14:00You know, it was close to home. My parents would come watch us play. And then also just like wanted to go to a place where you felt like they really believed in you and you were going to be the guy and you were going to get the opportunity. And I'm so glad I did. Like that's always kind of my advice to like younger guys is like you can't fall for everything these coaches are telling you because like, you know, their jobs on the line every year just, you know, just like everybody else. So, um, go to a place that you're really, uh, you know, appreciated, um, which is crazy because it's the complete opposite now with NIL.

1:14:29Dude, I was about to say, you can go and you can get to the league from just about anywhere. And that's any league that is, you know what I mean? That with the film is out there and sometimes all you need is that step in the door, man. But, um, yeah, it's, it's, it's way different, especially over there in Oklahoma where you guys got to actually like boost your money. Yeah, football players were eating good.

1:14:51Jason Kelce:O-line was heavy. Very relatable, obviously, with Travis and I going to Cincinnati. And that was similar to us. I played for three different head coaches. So that was the model back then was like, you've got to fall in love with the university and where you're at, as opposed to that, because that could change. I mean, on average, coaches were getting fired or taking promotions within three years, especially at the smaller schools. It was going to be quick turnover. But yeah, NIL has changed all of it. Where do you stand on NIL? Are you pro NIL? I'm somewhere in between because what we've done is effectively created a pro sports model without the things that keep professional sports on the rails.

1:15:28You know, like, and, you know, I'm sure it's hard to like unionize like all those college athletes. And so to me, what it should be is like football, basketball, men's and women's basketball and football are usually the money earners at schools. And so those sports, there should be a union. There should be a collective bargaining agreement. There should be a salary cap. We have to sort of rein in the transfer thing. I get it. You shouldn't be stuck at a school. But I mean, some guys are on their fifth school.

1:16:00Jason Kelce:Yeah, there should be a commitment, like a one, two, three-year deal. There should be something from the player that's like, hey, I'm bought into this relationship as well. I mean, you said it. You have to fall in love with the university. Like I loved going to the University of Oklahoma. And I'm not saying like it's wrong now because kids are doing what they should be doing. Like go get as much money as possible and, you know, do whatever you can. If you're not the starter here, go to a school that'll pay you to be the starter. Yeah. There's no blame for me on the athlete's side. I just think there needs to be parameters just because, you know, and also something that's not talked about really is like some of the other sports are being affected by this as well.

1:16:40because some schools are cutting some of these non-revenue sports. Oh, shit. It's messing up the whole ecosystem. And, like, dude, I mean, you look at, like, we're always so good at the Olympics because every college, you have so many different avenues to go wrestle, to go do whatever sport it is you do. And if other sports are affected by this NIL and the big money-making sports, then I don't think that's okay, too. I think everybody, if we're going to pay student-athletes, everybody should get some. I'm not saying everybody should get the exact same amount, but everybody should get some, and then there should also be – all the other sports should be taken care of as well.

1:17:17So how much did you get under the table at Oklahoma?

1:17:23Dude, I was getting gift cards. Oh, sweet. Applebee's. Hell yeah.

1:17:29Jason Kelce:Those appetizers at Applebee's are going down easy, boys. Real Midwestern deep cut. Yeah, no doubt. this is luxury longhorn steakhouse no way dude the bread rolls at longhorn steak we go tost joe missouri every fucking year dude and it is like the classiest establishment inst joe they're gonna fucking kill me for saying that but it is it is literally one of the big i'm only there for like three weeks and it's right next to campus so we go there whenever we want to like get the together i fucking pig i i we they just bring the rolls out the entire time like it doesn't just start in the beginning it's just like as they as they come out of the oven just like yeah just bring those things on over here it's the best especially dude especially like the college towns too like you go you go eat like a king dude we had uh lane johnson early uh when he got there he was i forget if it's longhorn or outback because i always just associate them as like pretty much the same restaurant in my head yeah one's got rolls and now he's got blooming onions either way he's like dude you got to get get the chicken fingers and i'm like bro you want me to go get the chicken fingers he's like just trust me and i was like how much have you eaten of like longhorn to know that the chicken fingers is like where you're kind of that part of the menu that you're just getting chicken fingers so we went and i got the chicken fingers and he was right the chicken fingers were absolutely fantastic blake you're drafted number one overall to the Clippers what was it like going to the NBA being the number one overall draft pick I mean truly like you know obviously like a dream come true but also like I don't know if people remember but like the Clippers was like you put the clip yeah you took the Clippers up there they had the number one pick for a reason yeah yeah yeah exactly and like dude I remember like I think it was Bill Simmons wrote like an article like saying like it was like an open letter to Tommy Griffin and my dad was like don't let the cookies draft you something like you know like warning you know what I mean like because they had had they were famously had had like three number one picks that none of them panned out and so there was like a lot of unknown and it was like a little a little bit daunting but I kind of like it was sort of you know it helped like the fact that I went to Oklahoma because it wasn't like at the time it wasn't really a program that like you know it wasn't like a top 25 consistently year after year.

1:19:47And the whole conversation I had with my coach, Jeff Cable there was like, you want to be a part of building something. You know what I mean? It means a lot to do that. And so I sort of had that experience in college and I kind of went in the NBA sort of with the same mindset of like, Hey, like, you know, let's try to turn this around. And like, I don't think I realized the history of the Clippers at the time, but, um, you know, we got we got lucky you know we had some great young players and Chris Paul came and that team you know started running and and I think that's one of the things that we're like very proud of to this day is like you know the Clippers still have their faults but like they're not looked at in the same light you know and and we felt like we were sort of like part of that team that sort of tried to change that that that you know that mindset of the Clippers when it was you CP DeAndre Jordan fucking dunking on everybody every fucking game was a highlight reel like that shit that shit made everybody Clipper fans man and it definitely boosted the stock and then you get Steve Ballmer creating a new stadium for him like you could definitely tell that it started when you guys were rocking and rolling and in the hunt for it man

1:21:01Jason Kelce:Do you think you got treated differently by guys playing against you because you're number one pick Like, do you think it had a, like a mark on you to be like, yeah, I'm going to show this guy what the NBA is like, or. I think a little bit, but you know, like it is like, you know, the term like brotherhood gets thrown around a lot. And, and like, I think when we came in, it was like a little bit different. Like guys were, especially on the Clippers, like the Clippers was kind of a place that like guys went to at the end of their careers. They couldn't get a contract somewhere else. And like they were just trying to make it.

1:21:31And so I didn't feel like it was like an environment where I was really like you know being like guys taking you under their wing and showing you the way it was guys just trying to extend their careers and keep playing and um and then that changed you know when Chris Paul came and then we had some great vets you know Chauncey Billups Grant Hill like we had Lamar Odom who was like just this one of my favorite teammates Jamal Crawford so we we we sort of had that later on but yeah I mean you definitely I think you have a target on your back is like the number one pick but like I also had like a chip on my shoulder because I had to sit out my whole first year you know my my first year I was hurt and like I dude I had to hear for an entire year I had to hear about how the Clippers messed up another draft and like this guy was gonna be a bust and like you know I'm just sitting there like just steaming just ready to you know so ready to like play that like when I finally did you know that next year I was just like was like you know no mercy just try to go dunk everything and try to just like play as hard as you can.

1:22:29Then you came in and you went straight to the All-Star game, which is fucking, that's the Blake Griffin we all know. Was that the year that you jumped into the dunk contest too? Yeah, yeah, that was my rookie year. So, I mean, I set out my whole first year, so that wasn't my rookie year. So the next one I came back, that was my rookie year. And then, yeah, I was like, got lucky, man. Made the All-Star game and got to do the dunk contest and checked off some hops. Everybody looks at the dunk contest like it just isn't what it was. because it's you don't have the huge names that you typically saw at least we saw growing up the superstars of the league so did you feel that like had that always been a dream of yours or did you feel like you kind of owed that to the to the game or yeah i mean both i definitely like i mean i i did i would like i would record vince carter's come on 97 come on i recorded him dude i mean that was like my childhood and that was like peak you know like watching like tapes of like Michael Jordan doing the dunk contest and all these big names.

1:23:28Like, it was like, yeah, I want to do that. But also like, yeah, I do think that like, there's the reason why the dunk contest kind of is what it is. It's like, guys just don't want to do it anymore. And which is kind of a shame because it's like, I don't know. It's like, have we built it up too much for guys? Don't want to go do it and fail. Or like, you know, for me, like to be in the six, 10, like two 60, like dunk contests really aren't like my specialty, like just dunking in game is more like my thing um big guys like Dwight Dwight did it three years I think and like that was awesome I thought that was great because like it's a big guy who again like not really his specialty um but like we just need guys to do it and I like we need the young guys to do it we need the Anthony Edwards the Zions we need all those guys come on and come on and just go up there and just fucking you don't gotta do a whole 360 windmill between the legs like just go in there and just fucking just do something you know what i mean like that dude the the aaron gordon zach lavine dunk contest was incredible it was one of the best dunk contests ever and since then it just we haven't really had like the you know the names or like the but i think that's what it is like i think you know i say this as like somebody who's brought in a car as a prop like you know it doesn't have to be game of key but

1:24:50so i don't know i i hope it gets back let's give a fan out of the stands the ability to try and

1:24:57Jason Kelce:block the dunk so that we can just get posterized like images i don't fucking know yeah is this year is this year like is this you trying to like get on the court i want to be able to block i want to see if we can block a dunk yeah just slam balls now like i've been training guys i've been I've been doing my quarter squats. I feel like it might happen. Put a force scale. So see who can dunk the hardest. Who can apply the most pounds per force to the room? Yes. Who can shatter their skin on their fingers hardest? Yeah, we got to do something. So I don't know. I appreciate you throwing out these options, Jason.

1:25:41Jason Kelce:We want to educate our fans on basketball history. Big moments in the NBA. can you explain the significance of this photo of a chair?

1:25:50Oh yeah.

1:25:55High level real quick. Deandre Jordan is with us for years. Dallas tries to sign him away. Our boy CP was on Dallas at the time was part of the recruiting process. They got DJ to commit. and then so DeAndre was like he had texted me so he he commits to them on like a Saturday call he texts me on Sunday and he's like what you think and I'm like what do you mean what do I think like I'd already told him like you know happy for you you know you got to do what you got to do and he's I can tell he's having second thoughts and so I get a phone call from Doc Rivers our coach was like hey I think we can get DJ back but I need you to get on a plane and go to Houston where DeAndre's offseason house was and so I'm like all right so I'm texting DeAndre like hey I'm coming in go to his house spend like that night you know staying with him making sure that like Mark Cuban can't come back in and convince him to sign and everybody comes in the next day Doc Rivers JJ Chris Paul JJ Reddick Chris Paul and myself and we're all in his house and we're like you know convincing like hey like this is the play we want you here like we can do it and uh he's like all right i'm in and you can't sign the contract to make it official until like midnight that night okay 11 p.m because we were central time so we're just sitting in his house and nba twitter is going nuts just nuts they're like there's all the rumors flying around like what what's happening what's going on people were saying that we held him hostage so i'm like all right well if we're gonna be stuck here i'm gonna like i'm gonna start fucking with people so So, you know, put the chair under the door, take a picture, send it out.

1:27:32And, like, it was the most nuts day on NBA Twitter. That's amazing. Dude, I mean, nobody wanted Lob City to break up, man. You guys were so fucking electric. And I've heard through multiple sources. I mean, Joe Dumars was just hyping DeAndre up not too long ago, talking about the type of teammate he is and how he's one of the most veteran-like leaders. And it's not just in front of the cameras. It's like he's just one of the best guys to have on your roster because of who he is. And I already know you guys had fucking unbelievable time. But can you speak a little bit upon like what is it that DeAndre really brought to the team in terms of that energy?

1:28:12Dude, he's like – I mean, you see him now as like a vet. And like it's easier for vets to do that. But he was that for us when he was, you know, second, third, fourth year in the league. Like he's like a connector of people. And not to mention he was just an absolute freak athlete. Like he, I watch him like physically punk a lot of centers and just like also never gets hurt. Like just like he's a, he's a monster, but like off the court, he's just one of those people that brings people together. You know what I mean? He, he keeps everything light. He knows he has incredible like empathy and, uh, uh, EQ, like his emotional awareness is like off the charts where like he sees somebody like, you know, not, not maybe having their best day or best game.

1:28:55and he'll go put his arm around him because he's built that relationship with each guy on the team. So I saw the Joe Dumars quote, and it's so true. I mean, he's like – and now at this point in his career, he's just pouring back into other guys and being a mentor. But he was like – he was such an important piece for us, even when he was younger, you know, and in the prime of his career, just the type of person he is. Love hearing that. You guys were unstoppable on the court, but I definitely was throwing fucking lobs left and right on 2K. dog gone fucking epic there you go yeah it was it was good we had a good run didn't didn't quite the mountaintop but uh yeah it'll that'll always haunt me so thanks for bringing that up guys no no no it's all positive here man it's all positive wait but hold on what is like what is the football equivalent of is it just like trucking somebody like for a touchdown there's a few so

1:29:48Jason Kelce:getting mossed is probably the closest equivalent which is like the receiver jumping up over a db to catch it right um another version on the defensive side is just absolutely lighting a motherfucker up i think that's just you can't you don't want to get caught especially if you see him coming that's supposed to yeah it's one thing if you don't see it coming how tough is that in film like i mean for me if i get lit up it's like yeah you know it's part of the gig you know especially if it happens to where i don't see it right it happened in my first game honestly i I talk about it all the time, Bernard Pollard, it was like fucking back there, like trying to, he was a veteran at that point.

1:30:28So he was playing for Tennessee and he was like trying to like fake, whether he was in cover four, cover three, playing the middle field. And he kind of just like at the last second came, like snuck down into the box. And the last time I looked at him, I was like, all right, cool. He's back. And when I caught the ball, I tried to catch it and like use my momentum to like get up field. And he fucking rocked me to the point where like, it's like, what the fuck is going on what the fuck is going on oh shit i don't have the ball anymore and like i just grab on to like the closest person to me to try and save them from getting to the ball yeah and i watched that over like 10 times crying laughing like god damn that's a fucking welcome to the nfl moment if i've ever fucking yeah for sure you got you definitely have to like you can't you can't get salty about like getting dunked on or get you gotta like embrace it you can't be

1:31:19Jason Kelce:deleting your Twitter. You just got to run with it, right? You just got to go. The worst is when you have just an awful play, but it's like a huge play that you know they're just going to replay forever. Like Landon Dickerson's first ever play in the NFL. Landon's an unbelievable guard. He comes in at right guard. He hadn't played. It was his first play in the NFL halfway through the year because his knee was all fucked up from college. Eric Armstead just man mountain Dean, like bull rushes him and throws him on his back. And it was like one of the biggest plays of the year and so now like for the last four years you're just every time they install that concept they're going to that play and land is just like yeah that's so tough like it's an iconic play that just won't go away your whole career yeah so god damn this one again mine is every single time we play the chargers i get everybody hitting me up on social media about when Derwin James suplexed me at the goal line.

1:32:18Literally, it was like a dead play. It was like Pat's fucking scrambling back and forth. Did he have this fucking dialed up, Brandon? You sick son of a bitch. He got to this very quickly. I had already ran like three different routes. Oh, no. Oh, fuck. Even worse, the ball, as soon as I hit the ground, fucking shoots up like a goddamn firecracker. And I'm just like, I'm just like, God damn it. Nobody likes to talk about how I made two guys miss on that play. Yeah, let alone Derwin's just fucking strong guy, man. Strong guy. Strong. He's a strong guy. There's a moment where you're just, you're on top of his shoulders and I'm just like, fuck.

1:33:05Oh, no. Yeah. We'll see what happens here. I'm looking down and I'm just like, just hold on to it. Yeah. Just trying to survey your options and you have none.

1:33:15Jason Kelce:Can I lean on somebody else? Can I throw? Who's open? Is anybody open? Yeah. But like those plays, those type of plays always happen in such slow motion. Oh, you already know. In real life. 100%. And you're just like, it just replays in your mind over and over again. The worst. All right, we're here. We got to ask. You do not have to answer. We are going to ask. Who has the better squirrel tweet? Blake or Travis Blake you got a squirrel tweet I didn't know this either but I'm looking forward to it so obviously everyone knows on our show Blake I'm not sure if you're aware this is Travis's squirrel tweet I just gave a squirrel a piece of bread and it straight smashed all of it I had no idea they ate bread like that the best part is the ha ha hashtag crazy it's so good by the way that's like old Twitter was like that's what it was it was just people just saying guys you won't believe what you won't believe what just happened this was when twitter was better let's just all agree on that we need to get back to this just so everyone knows the 12 000 retweets and 300 comments were like 30 years after this like that got absolutely no traction when i posted that i was like i was like going back to my phone, like looking at it, like still nobody.

1:34:41All right. Nobody wanted to, nobody wanted to hit me back. Like that's crazy, dude. No, no.

1:34:49Jason Kelce:All right. Here's Blake street. Accidentally hit a squirrel yesterday in my car. Feel so guilty. I could barely sleep.

1:35:03Yeah. I'll never forget. I was driving home from practice and I just, I like clipped its leg and I looked back in the mirror and I see it just like struggling and I was just like no like I felt so bad and then yeah I don't know for some reason by the way that was twitter at the time I was like yeah I guess I'll tweet about this it's the best man I wish I had put haha crazy though I always got to end it with a little hashtag man what's a good hashtag for this crazy I would have loved to see like your workshop like your workshopping which other ones you didn't use not a big vocabulary that's nuts lol that's nuts that's amazing we gotta ask you some rapid fire standard NBA podcast questions what's your favorite Kobe story oh man that I like that I like witnessed myself Sure.

1:36:00Yeah, sure. Yeah. Or one that you heard of. Either one's fine. Well, I'll give you like one that I like, like really shows you how much of like a, just a competitor he is. We're training camp for 2012 Olympics. We're in Vegas doing workouts. And at the time, like I, I, I'm fortunate enough to make the team and I was kind of like one of the younger guys. And so they would always have other younger guys come in and scrimmage us. And so like Paul George was on the younger team and Aaron Gordon and Kyrie. Kyrie was. And so we're scrimmaging like day one. And I'm like, man, like these guys are like kind of like they're kind of frying Kobe.

1:36:35And I didn't like, of course, I didn't say anything. I was just kind of like taking note of it. And then day two, kind of same thing. I'm like, he does not look good. I'm like, is this in my mind? I'm like, am I seeing the end of like Kobe Bryant? Like, can he not do it anymore? So day three, I'm down in the weight room at the hotel before we go over on the buses for practice. i'm working out and i see kobe and his trainer and or two of his trainers and his security guard walking like kind of through like the the gym you know like going and they're covered in sweat i'm like man he must have just got it and i asked one of his trainers i'm like you guys what you guys do you just work out and he goes i'm like what's up and he goes kobe's got us doing these like 60 mile bike rides at like 2 a.m.

1:37:19And so I realized that he like, he didn't care about the practice at all. I mean, he practiced hard, but he was going, he was waking his trainers up and they would go for a 60 mile bike ride at 2 a.m. in Vegas. It was the only time he could do it because it's Vegas in the summer. And then he would come in, he would go to the weight room and he would work out, he would go eat breakfast and then he would come to practice. And I was like, Oh, Oh, that's why he doesn't look. That's why he looks a little slower today. Everybody else is like in the club and Kofi's like working out. But like that to me is like just like the guy was an absolute basketball sicko in the best way.

1:37:58You know what I mean? Like did things to like – like he would do workouts to just gain like a mental edge. Feel more confident about what he's doing. Yeah, that's crazy. I don't know. I just love that because, like, man, he was, like, he was awesome.

1:38:13Jason Kelce:He was. R.I.P., man. Now that he's won a playoff game with his son, and we do hate asking this question because it's stupid, but we have to ask it. That's so funny. Got to ask, who's the GOAT, LeBron or MJ? Oh, man. I mean, that was a pretty cool moment. I'm such a, like, such an MJ guy. Like, we all get judged. As athletes, we get judged on winning. and I to me like there's there's no basketball player that has won in a better fashion in a more dominant fashion than Michael Jordan like six times to the finals six and oh never went to a game seven finals MVP every year like highest points per game average in the playoffs like he has all these things that like I'm just like in terms of like a career like he won the best and that's how we get judged.

1:39:01LeBron has had like the best career from top to bottom. He's still doing it. But like, you know, I think, I think you go with the way guys win. So I, I, I have Jordan one, I have LeBron two, but it's like, I think the problem with this debate is like, people think that you're saying that one guy sucks because they're both the best of all time. But if I have To rank it, that's how I rank those things.

1:39:31Jason Kelce:Who's your all-time starting five? Ooh, I can't wait to hear this one. Oh, man. Okay, okay. Let's go. Dude, I'm going to put Steph at one, the point guard. Ooh. That makes sense. Get him out on the court. He needs to be out there. Yeah, yeah. Put that ball in his hands. Let him do what he does. So I'm going to go MJ at two, LeBron at the three, Tim Duncan at the four. Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan is my favorite power forward. I mean, he's the best power forward of all time. The technician. God damn it. The bank is always open. Did you ever fucking hit a bank shot from like 20 feet out? Because that was like his patent move.

1:40:12I'll tell you what, I tried. He made it look like it was easier. Like you had a better percentage if you went bank from anywhere on that angle. Big fundamental. That's going to be my four. And then I'm going to go Shaq. Just the most dominant player of all time. Shaquille O 'Neal. I mean, yeah, you can't argue with that shit. What's crazy is like I just had to like leave Kobe off the list. That is crazy. If you're not doing it by like, okay, I need a point guard and all this, like I would just go Kobe, MJ, LeBron, and then I would go Tim Duncan, you know. But I'm just, you know, I like to mix it up.

1:40:50Yeah. All right. I hear you. I'm not really rapid firing these. I'm giving a long, drawn-out explanation of everything.

1:40:56Jason Kelce:we'll cut it up we'll cut it up it'll see real fast they'll be like man he was quick with that starting five you've done stand-up before um is comedy something that you want to pursue more of you want to full-time be in the club like where are you at in your stand-up career in the club i want to be in the club every day um yeah i don't know i love stand-up man it's um it's like fascinating to me it's like a really fun challenge i just love comedy man i i love it so much and i'm working on a couple things nothing i'm not really working on stand-up right now but i kind of always have i keep like a notes folder of jokes so i'm like kind of always like writing jokes if like i think of something i don't know what i'm gonna do with it but maybe someday it'd be pretty cool to have like a special yeah at one point fuck yes i don't know i don't know we'll see Is that, have you, all right.

1:41:50So you've just kind of like tested the waters in the standup world. Yeah. I've done like, I went and hosted this show at this big comedy festival, I think for the first time. And then I've done stuff here and there. I did like a roast to comedy central roast, which is all like really fun. But my thing about standup too, is like, I don't want to go to like the comedy store and like ask for time. And then somebody gets bumped, like some guy who's like grinding, trying to make it like, you know, but I do love it. um so i'm working on some some projects right now that are like comedy based and you know we'll see see how those go give me give me a top three comics of all time for me chappelle is like uh like because it's just like my era you know like we do we were like we were in high school like when chappelle was like that first episode i will never forget going into the school

1:42:40Jason Kelce:the next day after clayton bigsby made its television debut oh my gosh dude if you like didn't watch the show like that wednesday night on thursday like you weren't involved in conversations it's so true i'm rip james bitch chappelle is like definitely my definitely my top three i gotta i have to go like uh eddie murphy okay taking it back nice leather the leather uh tracksuit or jumpsuit yeah delirious murphy delirious can't say that that guy's canceled comedians are they're walking a fine line usually yeah yeah for sure you know you know i love now like i like maybe probably you can't really put him in a top three but right now like dude shane gillis is just everything he touches man he's probably one of my favorites of my all time dog every single time i see that dude on screen i am fucking dying laughing yeah dude and it does like it could be like just him a podcast clip of him just talking like he's just and it's just he's always had something yeah it's it's it's really incredible so i hope he keeps going on that trajectory um so i'll go with those three i'll probably get some flack for shane being in the top three at this point in his career, but he's on his way.

1:43:59100%, especially with Tyrus. All right, let's get into our last question. We always ask everybody, what was their welcome to their profession moment? So what was your welcome to NBA moment for you? Oh, man. I'd say the first time I played against Kobe, you know, I'm like so hyped up and jump before the jump ball. He's like, hey, what's up, young fella? Like, congratulations. I'm like, man, are me and Kobe boys? I think we're going to be best friends. I knew he knew who I was.

1:44:38There's a chance we hang out after this. I'm sitting like, you know, this is like maybe second quarter. I'm sitting like this pin down screen. And so from my teammate and he's guarding him, Kobe's guarding him and he's coming off. And like Kobe's just like we talked to, He's just a competitor. And he comes off that screen so hard and just catches me in the stomach harder than I've ever been hit in the stomach in my life. I'm just like doubled over and just like rethinking. I'm like, you know what? Maybe we're not friends. We're not friends. He was a lot nicer before than he is now. But it was like a good reminder of like, it was kind of like that welcome to the NBA where it was like, no, you can say hello before the game.

1:45:19But, you know, that jump ball happens. Like it's all out. It's fucking war. Hell yeah, man. And he was like the, you know, he was like maybe one of the last great guys who like, it was like cool before the game, cool after the game, during the game, fuck you, you're the enemy. You know what I mean? I love that. I just think it's great because it's no hard feelings. It's like we're competing. Ultimate competitive, man. And you definitely had that too, brother. Blake, thank you so much for the story, dog. Thank you for the time. One of my all-time favorites on the court, dog. And honestly, ever since we got to hang, dog, just the fucking best, man.

1:45:53And it's always fucking laughs through the fucking roof. And can't wait to see how the rest of the Amazon stuff goes for you. These playoffs. We'll be watching, brother. I appreciate it, guys. Thanks for having me, man.

1:46:04Jason Kelce:Thank you to Blake Griffin. That conversation was once again brought to you by Reese's. Or as Travis and I call it, Reese's. He is the best. I mean, fucking hilarious. It's fun going down memory lane with the big guy, man. Smart as hell. Also funny as fuck. Can chop it up. can goof be a goofball he is jack of all trades man was an incredible player but he is made for doing tv and entertainment i forgot to ask him about how why is he so good at commercials i forgot to fucking ask him man he is literally one of the best the best comer like athletes in the endorsements commercials wise bro god damn it oh well i have to ask him in person next time i see him he's got the it factor he's nobody's saying he's overexposed nobody was yelling at him for going.

1:46:57Nobody's yelling. He's just got it. He's just got these Kelsey's off my fucking screen. God damn it.

1:47:02Jason Kelce:All right. That wraps up another episode of new heights. Thank you to Blake Griffin. Also, there are still tickets available for our new heights live show in LA on June 15th. Let's go. Link in the description. Let's go. Make sure you subscribe to the new heights channel on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. Once again, new heights, a wonder show brought to you by Xfinity. Follow the show on all social media at new heights show with one ask for fun clips throughout the week. We're going to have a bunch with our guy, Blake. Thank you to new heights production team. Thank you to the 92 percenters for tuning in.

1:47:34We'll see you guys next week, baby. Peace.

1:47:45Jason Kelce:This is, this is the first day. I just want to preface. This is the first thing of trying to do a basketball in 20 years.

1:48:04Jason Kelce:I'm going to tear my ACL trying to do this anymore. That's good enough. That's it for today. That's it for today.

1:48:15Jason Kelce:Full disclosure, that's a nine-foot rim. That's a nine-foot rim. No way that's it. Okay, this is pre-quarter squad. I'm telling you, if I show you some later clips, I think – It did get better. I'll vouch. I'll vouch. It did get better after this, yes. I told him, I was like, bro, you're like gathering steps. You look like a fucking idiot. You look like an offensive lineman. Exactly. We got to get your technique down. Go watch some Blake Griffin highlights. Watch how he gathers. we got it's all about the approach and the last two steps and then there we go gotta work on those hands too maybe we gotta maybe we could space them out you got spacers jason i was spraying uh tough skin the stuff they put on your ankles before they take them i will say this jason's only working with four fucking fingers he fucking snapped it one of them is not great yeah that's Oh, yeah, that doesn't help.

1:49:10God, that was fucking hilarious, dude. I hadn't seen that first clip in a minute. We got some work to do, but we'll get you there.