NFL Schedule Predictions & Colin Jost on SNL Finale, Joke Swaps and Life as the Plus One | Ep 191

20:54I did not. You never scored a touchdown in the Super Bowl. What do you want me to say? Get him. Get him.

20:58Jason Kelce:Come on. Don't do this to Walter. All right. 51, though. Where's the evidence that he switched to 51? Jake, get back in here. Where is the evidence? I haven't seen any of this. I've seen this. I think the Chiefs posted updated rookie numbers, and they had it. And that was it. All right. But it's like a graphic, and none of those are official, technically. Why are we doing this? Because a bunch of people on the internet are claiming that we bullied him into changing his number. And I think it's accurate. I think there is an accurateness to this statement. No. No? No. There's only one way. our Mason we got to get you on the show so you can tell Jason that he didn't get bullied into wearing a different number all right there's a bunch of people on here pretty pissed off that we didn't remember Walter Payton uh aka Sweetness wore that number which yeah I mean major foul on our part we definitely should have we fucked up that one but did we go down the list of people who are 34 we we were trying to remember who you knew it was running flybacks.

21:57Jason Kelce:We did know that. And we were trying to remember who wore 34. We couldn't do it. We couldn't, for some reason, we didn't think it was. Guys, we get hit in the head for a living. For sure. Sometimes it just goes right over our head. Deuce Daly? Deuce was Deuce, wasn't he? 22. I'm pretty sure. Who else wore 34? Let's check that out. Ooh, 34, 34, 34. I can see a Steelers, Steelers jersey 34. I don't know. All right, we got some good ones okay some really good ones yeah all right are they all running backs like we thought they are all running backs knew it i knew it at least four of them you should know all right four of them all right sweet this one bo jackson nice well done um how did you get bo jackson so fast because it's fucking bo jackson what are you talking about no did we did somebody write that down how did you just pull out bo jackson bo knows it's the fucking one of the we were just talking about five minutes and you didn't say bo jackson once and then you just listed it like it was a fact 100 says somebody all right whatever all right um 34 34 34 34 um wait for it wait for it was i want to say like marshall fall you would be wrong um give me an era give me an era one was from our era growing up watching football i would say the latter half of it like high school and middle school years very iconic running back whose career had ups and downs and whose doesn't well this one was very down when it was down oh ricky williams ricky williams there you go legend legend for multiple things and then the other one is one of the most iconic running backs of an era before that?

23:47Oh, no. He was 32. Gosh, 32 has got a fuck ton of him. I was going the white running back from Miami. How far back?

23:59Jason Kelce:He was the same era as Brian Bosworth. Matter of fact, has a legendary highlight where Brian Bosworth cannot tackle him. Are we talking about Bo Jackson again? I don't think it was Bo. I thought it was the other guy. He's from the same era, basically, of bow i think um this is so fun i love this trivia stuff um he also uh ran a sub five second 40 at 50 years old more recently gosh we're thinking about eric dickerson who are we thinking of i think he might be doing politics now which maybe i shouldn't even mention

24:36there you go were those clues accurate uh yeah he was he was a part of the the big trade that um that evidently led to no Emmitt Smith. Emmitt Smith. He was the Cowboys. I'm an idiot.

24:51Jason Kelce:He is the one that Brian Bronsworth was trying to tackle and broke the tackle, right? No, that was Bo Jackson. That was Bo Jackson, yeah. That was a funny name. We should do that more often. It was Bo Jackson. We just sit here and bond her. I mean, listen, they'll cut it up. It'll look better. Finally, tickets still available for our live show in Los Angeles. That's right. That's right. You guys are not going to want to miss this one. We're getting fired up for this one. We're getting fired up. Put things together. I can't wait to shoot Jason right in the face with a t-shirt cannon. And he's never going to see it coming.

25:22Jason Kelce:Guests are starting to come out. And when they do come out, I'm assuming these last few tickets will go quickly. So if you're on the fence, just know that once these guests get announced, which we are not 100 % sure on, so we're not going to announce them right now. But we have some leads. We have some leads. Leads, yeah. We got the guys over there working in shifts. All right. The link in description to buy is down below this video. If you will be in the L.A. area around, when are we doing this again? Like June? June 15th. 15th? Yeah. There we go. June 15th. All right. That does it for new news brought to you by American Express.

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29:32Jason Kelce:The Eagles and the Chiefs. I'm assuming that's what it means. Yeah. The hashtag Bulbasaur. I think people just like saying Bulbasaur. I feel like Snorlax best represents myself. As for the Eagles, it's got to be a Pokemon with some attitude, a little bit of grit to it. What's a gritty Pokemon? What is a gritty Pokemon? Like Onyx? I kind of want to look at some Pokemon because I haven't played Pokemon in a while. Definitely have to go with the original like 151 or whatever. Charmander. Is that a chief? Is that what the chiefs are? I think Charmander would be like a Charizard. I think would be a chief for sure.

30:10Similar kind of colorway.

30:11Jason Kelce:Oh, there we go. This helps. Okay. Similar colorway, but is there a team that is more associated with fire? That's weird that there's no teams. Like you have the flames in hockey, right? Mm-hmm. There's no like fire teams. in the NFL, right? Am I blanking on one? I don't know. Was Zapdos be a good one? Ooh, electric. I mean, yeah, it's got to be a bird, right? So you got Zapdos, you got... Why does it have to be a bird? Well, it's eagle. Oh, you're talking about you. All right. So we got Zapdos. A little Zapdos right here. One of the ice birds. I think it started with like an A maybe. There was like an A bird.

30:48A bird.

30:49Jason Kelce:I keep coming back to Zapdos. Ooh, it could be one of the bats. What were the bats called? Those things are fucking annoying as shit. They kept fucking showing up. Nick Sirianni's famous flower speech. There's that one flying flower. I kind of feel... What's the haunted one? The ghost one that flies around. That's what I feel like. The birds. It's purple. Not the right colorway, but kind of... It's got some menacingness to it. I got nothing in the cards I've already opened. You thinking of Ghastly? There's Ghastly. There's Gengar. Gengar. Zubat, I believe is the bat. Zubat. Zubat. Articuno was the A bird you were trying to think of.

31:30Jason Kelce:Articuno. I'm going to go Zapdos. Zapdos. That's the bird. Yeah. A little zappy. I think we're at Charizard, man. Charizard. Going full evolution. Petty Mahomes throwing fire. What is Travis Kelsey? I think we already went through this. I'm like the mime. Oh, yeah. We've already done that bit. If you had to live in one Disney movie forever, which would you choose and why? Okay, Christian 04. Man, one Disney movie? I could live in it forever. Damn, that's a good fucking question. How do you just... One. Heavyweights? You just want to live at the heavyweights camp forever? Just camp hope? Get on that blob?

32:16Man. It does look fun. Patch that thing back up? Come on now. Have you ever been on a blob? Ever, man. I've been fucking dreaming about being on a blob since heavyweights came out in the 90s.

32:28Jason Kelce:Well, let's fucking make it happen, Travis. All right. Let's fucking do it. Get me on a blob. I'm saying heavyweights, man. That shit was so fucking funny. I was going to find out where you get a blob from. All the fat kids when we were growing up, they ended up being the funniest, most enjoyable to be around. It's true. Fat people are just better. You didn't get good until you got fat. I didn't. Yeah, nobody liked me until I became fat. That's such a bummer. And as I get skiddy, people hate me more and more. What's Jason's? I kind of want to go Alice in Wonderland. Just for Eifert or Cypher. I got a little Bulbasaur for you.

33:03What are you saying? You're going which one?

33:05Jason Kelce:I'm going to go Alice in Wonderland. That shit was wild. Alice in Wonderland or Alice in Wonderland? Alice in Wonderland. I can dig that, I guess. Super trippy. You're right. Kind of scary. Yeah, but I mean, eventually you kind of get used to it, right? I don't know. Yeah. Alice seemed to it. Probably, if I'm going my favorite one, I'm going Aladdin. Just have a genie around all day, can do whatever I want. Well, you only get three. Well, no, but the first wish you do is you wish for more wishes. And then you set him free, and then he's just your friend. But he still has the power somehow. Is that how it works?

33:43Did you just make up your own version of Aladdin?

33:46Jason Kelce:At the end of Aladdin, he sets them free. And then I think he still is around in the other Aladdins. They make multiple. No way. They made more than one Aladdin? Oh, yeah. I think there's at least three of them, I'm pretty sure. Where the fuck have I been? I have not watched them either, to be honest with you. But there are multiple Aladdins. Yes. You cannot ask for more wishes, but you can grant him freedom, and then he becomes your friend. That's the way you get the genie. You grant him freedom, then he's your friend, but he still has power, so he still can kind of fuck around. That's the point of him being free is that he doesn't get put under the spell of only giving three wishes and going back in the...

34:26Jason Kelce:I know, but for some reason, when they set him free in multiple iterations, he still had powers. And then he was still helping with his powers. Man, I got to watch that again. That doesn't sound like it's right. Well, it's a good lesson for kids. If you want something and you ask, you only get like three times before somebody's like, this guy's fucking annoying as shit. But if you are good to them and you give them freedom, they'll help you out. And you do something for them, then they'll help you out in perpetuity. All right. Which Disney movie are you so out on that you would never even want to live in that movie?

34:57Jason Kelce:Yeah. What's my least favorite Disney movie? I don't know. Let me look up. I'm going to look for help. I don't know. You go first. Can you think of one? I'd probably say... It's hard to do. like what do we mean when we're living in them are we becoming like a specific character sounds like yeah like you got to live in that world all right if we're doing that then i'm going hunchbacking or dumb i don't want to be that yeah living in a fucking tower and just fucking ringing bells and i don't even remember what the positive end of that story was well he got he didn't get the girl i don't think i think he just like they were like friends i don't think he got her like she like kissed a frog or something and he became cute no that's and that's the other one is beauty and the beast i feel like that that's the most fucked up story that i feel like there is and what beauty and the beast yeah the beast can't become handsome i mean it feels like the message is like hey no matter how bad and ugly this person is you can change them another good one is shrek shrek is a banger that's a great one that's a very fun one that's i don't believe a disney movie but that is a banger i think it's a kid's movie we'll accept it i don't that's uh what dreamworks or it's one of the ones that's not disney associated i'm pretty sure pixar is disney i think it's dreamworks one of those animated studios is an offshoot it's not disney i don't yeah i have four kids travis just trust me i think pixar was once on its own and then it became you are correct on that i believe i don't think it was always a part of disney but now it is all right that does it for no dumb questions brought to you by Sleep Number.

36:36Jason Kelce:All right, let's get to our convo with Colin Jost. This conversation is brought to you by Mentos, the fresh maker. All right, here goes Colin. All right, our guest today is a writer, comedian, and ferry boat owner from Harvard University. That's right, he's a two-time Emmy winner, five-time WGA award winner, and a New York Times best-selling author, and the winner of $5 ,250 on the college edition of Weakest Link. You know it from his host of Pop Culture Jeopardy or from his almost 400 episodes on SNL. God damn. As the longest tenured anchor of Weekend Update, please 92 %ers welcome Colin Jones.

37:19Jason Kelce:Come on. Let's fucking go. Here we go, baby. Here we go. I got to savor that best intro I've ever gotten in my life. Where were you for every time I did stand up? Come on. if you ever need a guy need an intro how how many are you still doing stand-up time out let's get to this yeah yeah yeah i'll still tour a little i mean now just with kids like less than i used to but i'll still probably do maybe 50 shows a year something like that oh wow hell yeah that's fucking badass yeah jason's always wanted to do it i'm terrified of ever doing it um for people that want to that would ever want to do stand-up what's your best advice get ready to suck

38:02I mean, it's different for you guys. Like you guys would already have instincts about it that are better. But when you're starting out, it's just it's it's sort of brutal for a while because even things you're like, oh, that's good. You get out there in the rhythms off or something. But, you know, some people are just naturally funny. And so you'd get away. You would already have a head start. There's hope, Jason.

38:23Jason Kelce:Are there a lot of Harvard grads in stand? Like, obviously, I know Conan, but is there like a pipeline of Harvard to comedian? There are like there was a guy, Dan Mintz, who was really funny, who was who did stand up when I was there. He still does stand up. He's a voice on Bob's Burgers. And he's been. Oh, yeah. Yeah. BJ Novak, who was in the office. He did stand up around that time, too. I think there's more younger people that do it now that are there. but it wasn't a huge thing. It wasn't like, there wasn't a lot of performers. Like Conan came from there. He did, but I don't think he ever really did standup.

39:03I think he more did sketch stuff and then did Tonight Show. So you didn't go to Harvard to do standup? It didn't help? They begged me not to.

39:15Jason Kelce:Certain image we'd like to uphold at this institution. I went there weirdly to do economics and then quickly abandoned that. pursuit there was someone at school with me who had written a book called homeless to harvard about their journey to harvard and i feel like now i have to write a book called harvard to ferry trying to go the opposite way start in economics end up in ferry there we go perfect well uh speaking of sketch comedy we do have the snl final finale coming up this weekend pretty awesome one will ferrell and paul mccartney come on man it's hard to beat that that's not it's so good people are like is this the last episode ever where do we go from here i know we had will on here and we talked about his time on snl and just comedian in general but one of the things he said that i still take with me is just full said he's like if you want to do and you want to be a great comedian or and it's probably works for anything in life but you commit hard where do you fall in line with that advice?

40:19Jason Kelce:Like, is that what you've kind of feel like has given you as much success in SNL as well? Yes, definitely. There was, there was no other plan. There was no like plan B. I feel like it was either going to work out or I was just not going to do anything. But he, Will is, Will, the other thing about Will that's so great is he always keeps a little bit of an element of surprise, which is so nice on a live show. It's insane, man. He would come in with like a different kind of costume an element you did like just adds an ascot or whatever like something that you didn't expect and and when he enters the scene even the people in the scene are like all right let's and he and just the fun he has a genuine level of fun that he brings like he would come he when he was hosting and he used to do this when he was in the cast he would he just would come into the writer's room and he would wear like a scarf and glasses and he would say he was a writer that they brought in from LA for the week.

41:14And he would just sit there and be listening. And he'd be like, Hmm, yeah, maybe that, that one line, maybe you flip it. I could see if you didn't maybe just flip it. And then he'd like order lunch, long, elaborate lunch order. And just like a guy that likes doing, doing bits is the best energy. Oh my gosh. It's fucking, it's so impressive, man. I can't say in a bit to save my fucking life, man. And this dude just does it just every minute of the day, it feels like. When you first jumped into Weekend Update, the first one that you ever did, were you terrified? Oh my God. So, so good. The problem was, it was even weirder because I had been there as a writer.

41:59Like I had just become head writer. Like I felt like I was doing well as a writer and I'd been doing standup, but I was really doing a ton of SNL writing. And so at first I worried like I was going to be so bad that I would lose both jobs. They'd be like, you're so bad on camera. We're also taking away your pen. We're not even letting you write anymore. And I was so nervous. Like, I remember just like drinking bourbon before I went on to calm my nerves and just the adrenaline immediately just burned it off. And it was weird because it was also like, I was doing it in front of all my peers who I had been working with, the whole crew who I'd been working with.

42:39but then it's suddenly you're in a totally different role and, and you're really self-conscious about it. Yeah. I can only imagine.

42:49Jason Kelce:Now that you've been doing it for a while, is there one, what's harder writing or performing? I think writing is harder. Like it's hard to do. I don't know. I still find writing is hard. Like you, it never gets really easy, but performing is just a whole other skill that, that uh you don't know if you have until you're doing it like it's really hard to work at you can get better for sure like you can work at acting you can work like it's a skill you can develop but you also kind of need some spark or something that you don't i don't know what it is but you need something and and and it's something that comes across on camera that is a little less i don't know definable i don't know oh yeah especially when it's fucking live yeah i mean i think whatever else i do in life will feel easier because even if i do a movie i'm like oh i can get another take it's so liberating like we never get a second shot and as a writer too like you'll write something and if there's a something goes wrong or someone flubs a line or something there's a technical cue you never get to do it again yeah right is and so when something actually goes the way you imagine it you feel like it's a miracle like you pulled it off and you know you're you're you're so grateful that it came together so as you know i'm sure there's you know there's and i'm sure you know too there's things you think are gonna work and then they don't they they you know and and then there's things you're you're like i don't know maybe i'll try it and then maybe it was something that surprised you when you hosted that work you know oh not even just on snl there's stuff in the football world that i'm like this will guarantee happen coach can we just put this in and then we try it in practice and there's like it gets gloved and nothing fuck and i'm just sitting there like coach is right

44:40he told me that wouldn't work that's good that's i'm glad to know that happens there too yeah um you've been working on the show for 20 plus fucking years now there's still like some starstruck moments or any hosts or musical guests that are just like holy shit yeah i mean still like i mean i feel paul mccartney is someone that's still even though he's been come around a bunch and it's just the coolest guy ever just the smooth cat yes super yeah super like just i like my i remember this last year he was he was there for the 50th anniversary you know he played which was one of the most incredible ways you could end an episode of television is to have him play the last three songs from avi road i mean that was just seeing everyone from the original cast from people who were there like watching in tears what a great memory you know moment and there was he was doing rehearsal and so i told my parents who are a huge fan they were like i was like come down you got to see this rehearsal i'll sneak you in and he's like i see him he's up there playing and my dad calls and he's like we're getting in the cab now and i was like what are you doing and and just they walk in comically like right after he had finished rehearsing and i was like guys and and paul like he's he can send this is how great a human he is he sent i think he could almost sense that they had just missed it and so after he finished playing he like came up and was like hey how's it going i'm paul nice nice little kind of memory spent like five minutes talking to my parents and it just immediately made the whole situation like even better than if they had seen him before and it's like he just has those instincts you know oh yeah absolutely it was great to see him try to get through crowded into the building with and he's just wearing a hood and someone's like uh sir then you can't just walk in here and he just like puts the hood up a little he's like right this way oh you could do whatever you need

46:38Jason Kelce:sir yeah are you and michael shea going to do a joke swap at the finale please oh my god that's two weeks away so it's like okay farthest thing from i couldn't we haven't planned i couldn't tell you anything yet about it but i mean we'll see i'm sure we'll try to brainstorm some version of it see if we can come up with something that would feel feel satisfying it's hard to keep and also i'm i don't know if you noticed that a little bit of a structural disadvantage

47:10god it was the time i feel like i got him the most nervous because he's he's such a kendrick Lamar fan when I started getting him talking weighing in on the feud like talking directly to Kendrick I could tell he was really really genuinely worried about what I was going to make him say

47:27Jason Kelce:now I got him now you know what it's like for me every time but I'm open to ideas if you guys got any pitches yeah we are the last like you said writing so I can't even put a sentence together actually I am curious so for that like for that bit that's been one of the most longest tenured bits at this point within SNL? What is the process for that? Do you guys have any idea going into it? I know they do the rehearsal right before the show. How much of a wild card are you truly on the hook of what am I about to get? People ask about it. We have a dress rehearsal, but at the dress rehearsal, we do totally different jokes.

48:13Sometimes they're more tame sort of to lull the other person into a false sense of security you know like yeah this one's actually this one's not that bad and then sometimes they're actually a little harsher because you can you know you can make him say one thing that's not gonna not gonna air there's really been ones where i've where i said he made me say a joke and the host that week came up to me after and was like, are you okay? Touch my shoulder. It was like, he can't do that to you. Like that kind of vibe. It evolved because it started where we just wanted another chance to do jokes that the censor had stopped.

48:57So we originally did it as just jokes that we weren't able to tell early in the year. And then I perhaps foolishly suggested, wouldn't it be fun if we didn't know what was coming. And so it was like, oh, that made sense to give it to each other. And I remember Che being like, OK, all right. Sure. And I was like, yeah, I really brought it on myself. Thank you for doing it because it's one of the entire like fans of SNL's favorite bits, man. It is thrilling to do, even though it is also terrifying. And my family every year is very worried for me. i remember my mom saying like a rosa parks graphic came up and my mom was like i was just i thought our whole family was gonna end we're gonna have to just shut down the family

49:50Jason Kelce:are we using the word bit correctly this is another thing there's like yeah like yeah i think so i would say that too all right i feel like there's they're a little bit interchangeable I would describe that as a bit. Nice. Yes. I'm going to fuck that up. Yes. Boom. Wrong. One for Travis. Fuck you, Jason.

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53:19Jason Kelce:I did want to ask you one other thing, which I don't even know if we're putting this up. For weekend update, is it harder now with how much the news cycle changes? Like you guys start writing this stuff usually like that week earlier in it. Yes. I mean, it all gets thrown out now. Like you can have a joke you love on Monday and it's completely irrelevant. So we do most of it now on Friday and Saturday. Like Friday and Saturday now is just wall to wall because it's all, it all, it's all different now. It's like, that's completely changed since when I started. And even the cold opens, like we used to have cold opens that we wrote for the table read on Wednesday and they would still make sense as the top story.

54:05Now, like the top story is never the same between Wednesday and Saturday. So most of the cold opens. Now we write on Friday and Saturday too. The times is changing. They are changing. That's fucking awesome though, man. Before we go anywhere, though, we got to take a peek at this 2005 card we have here. A little NBC Universal, baby. Oh, my God. Wow. I feel like the sideburns are so long, they may go underneath and connect under my chin. I was going to say, you do a little Abe Lincoln? You just had to just straight along the t-shirt? It also looks, I'm wearing like such a flesh-colored t-shirt that it almost looks like I came shirtless to work.

54:47Jason Kelce:your Bert Kreiser here this is still my ID so that photo still comes up for the security guard and you can tell every time he's like wait a second this is still your photo can you brush that hair forward real quick for me this is still what I I'm kidding that's hilarious it doesn't go forward anymore thank you for showing me yep you're clear you're good I was just at a different place in my life you know the burns man what was the hiring process besides this wonderful photo i just walked up with that badge and i was like people don't know it's just a sign-up sheet that's it yeah uh the process was i wrote i wrote a packet of like six sketches um and people we still you know when i was head writer like we still read hundreds of submission packets every summer Oh, wow.

55:45Everyone goes through. So it really people's stuff gets read who submit to the show. And we still hire people from just from packs. If something makes you laugh, it's kind of it's a rare thing. Like if you read a packet and you still and something really genuinely just makes you laugh reading it, that's a really good sign because that's that's just hard, rare to do. Yeah, sure. But I submitted a I submitted a packet one year before I got hired at the wrong time. I didn't even know when to send it in. And so I sent it in and no one ever read it because it was not a time they were looking for writers.

56:20And then I submitted in the summer. And Tina was one of the head writers there. Harper Steele was another head writer there. And they just read, they liked some of the sketches that I wrote. I was very, very lucky. And so I came in and interviewed with them. And then I had to interview with Lauren the same day, which luckily I didn't even know I was going to have to do. Why do you say that? Well, because I would have been so nervous. I had less time to worry about it because they were like, and we're just going to have you go interview with Lauren. I was like, oh, sure. Cool. Got it. Yeah, let's do it.

56:54Because you're so nervous. I mean, actually, Will Ferrell, I don't know if you know this story, but he went to interview with Lauren. and he as a bit like came with a huge suitcase full of money and so he was like i'm gonna go in and be like lauren if you're on the fence maybe this would change your mind and open the suitcase and then he said he went into me with lauren carries in the suitcase in lauren's office and is instantly so nervous that he never does the bit and so then they have the whole interview and then he's just like and it seems like he's like gonna get the job so he's like um it was great to meet you mr michael thank you just stands up with a suitcase and leaves so it's like it was in a way even crazier that he thought i brought a suitcase to a comedy interview and never did the bit so legendary so i interviewed lorne and then one of the producers was like stick around for a while and i was like okay so i didn't know what that meant And then he just put me in a writer's office to sit there and wait to see.

58:00I didn't know for what. I didn't know what it meant. And so I'm in this office for like an hour or two hanging out just like alone. And then the phone rings in the office, like this random writer's office. And so instinctively, I was like, I guess I'll answer it. Why? I'm in his office. I just pick up the phone. And one of the producers who's there also in the building tells me that I got hired. i'm sitting there it was so awesome i was sitting he called me from another office and i just answered a random telephone and was told i got hired yeah tina fay philadelphia

58:39Jason Kelce:legend what was it like being in their first year going into a room like that oh very intimidating i mean and she was such a she had written so many sketches that i love i didn't even know until I was there. Like she had written all these, like there was one where Christopher Walken is the census taker. I don't know if you've ever seen that one back in the day. It's like him and Tim Meadows. You got to watch it. It's just, it's just like pure random nonsense basically. And which is the kind of sketch I love. You know, I love, I love, and it's so well, every line is a joke. And it Christopher Walken, who's one of the best, it was so good in it.

59:11But she had written so many great sketches too. So it's a very intimidating head writer to put, you know, to submit sketches to. And there was a lot happening that year because a lot of people, like I started with Kristen Wiig, Jason Sudeikis, Bill Hader, and Andy Samberg. We were all new together, which is just an insane, truly one of the best groups of people to come in to the show. And that was it. They were the four actors that came in. And then two writers who worked with Andy with The Lonely Island who came in. and Brian Tucker, who had worked at Chappelle's show. And that was our group that we started with.

59:51And there were all these cast members that were kind of in their last year. So it was a big transition year. It was the year like Tina was leaving, Maya Rudolph was leaving, Rachel Dratch was leaving, a lot of people who had been there. And Tina was starting 30 Rock. So that process was happening that year. We saw all that, like the show starting up. And so we, as a group, like all these new people we started figuring out getting our stuff on onto the show like how we could sneak in um and there were some incredible i was looking back at the episodes from that year and there's just crazy pairings like steve martin and prince was a show um my first my first episode was steve carell and kanye which was just kanye first episode uh tom hanks and the red hot chili peppers was a show which was pretty awesome love it love it jack black and neil young pretty jesus and then it was like all these great shows and then the last episode i just saw the season finale was kevin spacey and nelly frittato it's like i was like i'm sure nelly frittato is so happy to have that ticket for their house now they're like what'd you do snl with um this guy kevin what a great what a great scene but it was really it was pretty cool and so many of those people were like my idols was it always snl for you was that always like the gig once you dropped out of economics or yeah everyone if you leave economics you're just like all right that's the way to go we have a ton of just former bankers we i do i would have worked anywhere i mean i would have worked, you know, I applied everywhere.

1:01:31I applied and just didn't get, you know, I applied to Letterman. I applied to, you know, Conan. I applied to the Daily Show. I wrote a spec script of Arrested Development when it was on. I wrote a spec script of scrubs, like shows that were on at that time and just didn't get traction anywhere. But I would have, of course, loved to work at SNL. I think I didn't let myself believe I could. Um, and so then when it worked out, it was like, I, I, you know, it was incredible. And it was luckily cause I did drop out of sort of normal job. I think it made it easier on my parents that it was a show they had heard of, you know, going somewhere where they would be still very worried about me.

1:02:20Jason Kelce:Well, I got to know, you've mentioned all of these ridiculous guests, hosts, musical artists. What was it like having Travis Kelsey, honest take on Travis Kelsey as a host? Fantastic. I hope you know. I hope you know. First of all, I thought it was a great show. I mean, I was a blast. I don't know how it compared to others, man. But the entire week, I was like over the fucking moon, dude. It was insane. No, you had a perfect approach to it. Obviously, you know the show, and you threw yourself into it, absolutely committed to everything. I mean, I hope you come and do it again. It would be fantastic.

1:02:59Jason Kelce:Do you – are there any – is there any coaching maybe for his next – Coach me up. Coach me up. Coach me up. I've got no – I'll look through the game. I'll go through the film. I'll go through the film. I'll go through the film. I'll go in the film room. I'll mark a couple things out. Late entrance here.

1:03:21inflections wrong here i'll get in there i'll go i'll be a whole dissection went from australian to british halfway through i'm sure the notes would all be for our own on our own side like we should have written a better joke here there were some standouts too having a meal at the american girl store that was really good

1:03:41Jason Kelce:oh my fucking god i still go back and watch that i mean it's absolutely hilarious i had so much fun doing that one i was like oh be a creep you were a little too good at it to be honest with you it was a little i think it was you had spent like months at that just doing research how was that yeah it was a method approach getting porter houses the entire time there yeah and then you spent like months after you hosted there too and you were kind of really trying to get people to know this like oh he's really trying to get my name out there you still get like 10 off food there right like anytime like a lifetime only the stakes the really high plate high price steaks and they still card me colin they still card me every time i go in and i don't understand i'm not ordering alcohol or anything that i'm king of age mickey glazer hosted and i did a sketch with her that was like american girl they make a larger version of the american girl dolls and then instantly it's just like guys coming in like yeah i'll get one of those

1:04:46that's a banger how did it compare for you like what you thought going in because it's such a blur once you're going it must be such a blur that day that's the thing i i went into it you're like with zero expectations i was like the the one thing i wanted to do was like just be a teammate Let everybody like tell you what, like what to do, how to do it, where to go. Don't try and put your twists on any of the like writing or anything like that. Just go in there and like be present and enjoy the fucking ride. And I think it was the coolest experience I've ever had in my life. Like it was SNL. I got a, I got a text from Peyton Manning giving me advice on, he was like, dude, just buckle up and, and enjoy the, the roller coaster and, and just dive in, just be all in on everything that they're telling you.

1:05:39And that was the best thing I could have heard at that moment because I was going into it blind, not knowing how everybody was so goddamn funny on SNL. But then I quickly realized after jumping into all the little writing rooms and hearing everybody, uh, trying, um, not necessarily pitch me apart, but get me to understand a part, um, just how talented everyone is up there and how much of like a family and unity it is up there. So I just went in, I just went in with, you know, zero expectations and hoping that I didn't fuck it up on Saturday. No, no, not at all. I mean, it's the thing you realize too, is, you know, the writers are also nervous and also trying to figure it out.

1:06:18Like, you know, they don't necessarily know what's going to work and they're trying to figure out what's fun for you to do or what, what would be a good look for you to, in a scene or world for a scene, you know, Which is where if I did it again, I would actually be able to tell them, oh, I can do this kind of accent. I can do this. Like, I just went in there and somebody asked me, all right, do you have any accents you can do? I'm just like, fuck.

1:06:44Jason Kelce:We don't want to take up too much more of your time. We got a last section. I have no friends, nowhere to go. I have nothing. Never mind then. We will be here for a while. I don't want to see my kids. I don't know. Whatever you. You are starting season two of Pop Culture Jeopardy. Oh, yeah. On Netflix. That's right. You are an economic Harvard – well, I guess you didn't graduate with economy, but economics. I graduated in pop culture. I shifted over. There we go. Would you be better at regular Jeopardy or pop culture Jeopardy? Oh, 100 % regular. Really? Yes. And I don't think I'd be very good at Jeopardy.

1:07:22Like I'm not really a good – the thing I realized I said, it almost is like a Yogi Berra phrase. I literally told someone I'm good at trivia if I know the answer. Like, uh-huh, right. There's certain things I know well, but I don't have a, there's, I have huge blind spots in regular, in anything. But Jeopardy, the level of knowledge and the breadth of knowledge that people have as Jeopardy contestants is so impressive. It's crazy. Pop culture is even crazier to me because it changes so much and there's so many eras of pop culture. And this is definitely weighted more recent, you know, which is sad because when there's the category about the 90s, that's the one I feel like I can get.

1:08:06I'm on this. Yeah. Yeah. And then but and weirdly, sometimes that's a category where no one will get an answer now. And that just makes me feel very sad and old. as two guys who are also of the plus one fraternity and have this same experience. How nice is it to be the less famous person in your relationship? Huge relief.

1:08:31It's really funny because I feel like it's, I think I'm probably almost approached more because she's less approachable. So, you know what I mean? Because I'm on TV. I have like a lesser people are just like I'm in their living room so they're just like hey what's up man how's it going she's actually almost like so famous that they don't read they don't believe it a lot of times too like I we've been we've been traveling and we've been standing at the passport check and the person's looking at her passport and he'll be like has anyone ever told you you look like Scarlett Johansson genuinely like genuinely asking and not realize even though he's looking at her because he's like it would be weirder if it was her and just give it back to her and not think it's it's a really kind of awesome that's amazing shout out to the plus ones out there the other thing i noticed too is that if we're ever ordering food you know the order is not going to be right because we like go to like go buy a sandwich or something she'll order and the person will recognize her and then doesn't write down nothing about the sandwich It's just like, you're completely distracted.

1:09:38All the ingredients are wrong. We'll open the sandwich and nothing is. What did she say? Yeah, it's really funny. It's like bread and just like a pickle. Yeah, it's good. I feel like we can commiserate. Yeah, that's right. I'm on the team. It's so hard. I'm here for it. It was hard as a stand-up because I would have jokes about either someone, the idea of dating or the idea of marriage or what that is. I just can't, there's nothing that will, I can't be like, she's nagging me about this. Everyone's like, shut the fuck up.

1:10:20It's really, it eliminated that part of standup.

1:10:24Jason Kelce:All right. Well, can you please tell us our next question? Can you please tell us about the time Jimmy Buffett saved your life? Oh my God. With pleasure. It was, it was really a pretty, I mean, RIP. What a great dude. Like really, I was randomly seated next to him at a dinner. I was dating a girl at the time who was there with friends who were working at Vice magazine. And I was just randomly seated next to him. And I had never met him before. And I didn't know it was him. And so it was like over the course of dinner, and he was like, I surf. And he heard that and he was like, oh, he just wanted to talk about surfing because he loves surfing.

1:11:07And only after a while, I sort of noticed little subtle hints that it might be Jimmy Buffett. Like he would say something like, whenever I open a new Margaritaville, I like to go and find somewhere to surf near where the Margaritaville is. I was like, hmm, this might be Jimmy Buffett. Interesting. And then he was really gracious and knew I liked to surf. So he's like, I'm going to go surf tomorrow morning out in like, I think it's like the west coast of St. Park. It's like a more remote area. Why don't you come surf? And I was like, oh my God, of course. This is fantastic. So I went to meet him and I got there and I kind of immediately thought, realized that maybe it was a thing where he said like, oh, you should come by sometime.

1:11:56but did it mean it you know what i mean and he's like yeah come hang and i was like great i will i'll be there tomorrow morning and suddenly i was like am i psychotic that i just took him up on this and it was just like him and his family and then there was like a surf instructor that was out there that was just kind of helping them and uh he lent me a board and we went out and i kind of was hanging back and they all caught waves like in a row at this. And again, no one was there. It was kind of amazing. Like no one was at this break. It was like a nice sort of five, six foot wave rolling in. And, and then I finally was like, I'm going to catch a wave.

1:12:37And I caught a wave. And I remember when we were going out, swimming out, Jimmy was like, be careful when you get into shallower water. Cause there's a lot of rocks. Like don't, don't ride it all the way in. And And again, because it's him and I'm talking to him and I'm excited.

1:12:51Jason Kelce:I didn't pay any of the advice at all. I didn't pay any of the fuck. I completely ignored it. And then rode the wave all the way in and went to turn around on my board and paddle back. And I like couldn't paddle forward. And I was like, I don't know. I didn't know why. And then I realized that my leash had been stuck under one of the famous rocks he had told me about. And I couldn't get out and the waves were coming. And so I couldn't get reached down and get it. I was like trying to tug it out, which probably was making it worse. And I was stuck. And he was like, are you okay in there? And again, I was like trying to play it cool.

1:13:25So I was like, oh, yeah, I'm great. Cool, cool, cool. I love it. I love all this water I'm swallowing. I'm doing great. And then I started getting like kind of nervous because I couldn't get loose of this rock. And so he sort of sensed it and had or the instructor there had like a knife.

1:13:41Jason Kelce:A knife, yeah. That he would just probably for this reason. like to, if someone got like the way you would in scuba diving, like have a little night. And so he swam and cut my leash off and got me out and got me back out there. And then literally he was like, I think that down the beach might be more your speed. Like that might, you might like it over there. And so, and then I was, and then of course I was like, oh no, I destroyed Jimmy's leash. And so like the next morning I went to, I found like a surf shop in St. Bart's where a leash costs like two thousand dollars and then bought it and brought it all the way back to because i was like i can't leave him with this broken leash and of course like he wasn't there and the guy who was there was like you did not need to do this he has like 100 lead it's fine but i was like i should do this and then uh and that's the last time that i got to serve with him all right be the legend man very good he's incredible god damn that's good lastly what's your welcome to snl moment uh like what do you mean like when i was welcome there like or or if i welcome someone there it's it's more like we ask this to like nfl players anybody in their field like when when was it where you were like oh my god i'm i'm doing it doing this like i'm at snl like a welcome to hollywood moment welcome to the nfl oh yeah that yeah yeah one of them was I was like getting like I was doing pretty well as a writer and I remember Lorne saying can you come into my office and I went into his office and Mick Jagger was there and he was like Mick Jagger is doing a show in Indianapolis tomorrow do you have any jokes he could do

1:15:36what yeah and i was like what you know i'm thinking like of all things mick jagger needs it's not he doesn't need he could say anything and people are going to scream and on the spot i was like uh just trying to think about what i was like do you want to joke about Indianapolis? What kind of jokes? I was like, what jokes do you do normally, Mr. Jackson? That was definitely a... I don't even know what I said. I feel like... Because I also didn't even know he was going to be in there. That's crazy. That was a real welcome to Hollywood moment. And then... God, I'm trying to think of what another one is for me.

1:16:25like there's just like i don't know through the i think the one of the ones still even more recent which was just like a keeping it's like keeping it in mind as i go through it because i still have ones that are of course shocking when i put them in context and i remember doing opening for chapelle at radio city which was like a couple dreams come true that's like that was really awesome and then yeah i was going to la and he was going to la and he was like come do a let's go to a Lakers game. And so like we went to a Lakers game together and we're in like the player. They just immediately, wherever he goes, they're like, wherever you want to go in the stadium, you're welcome.

1:17:06So like we're in the players tunnel and he's like, we should, you want to smoke? And I'm like, sure. I never, I never, I never smoked, but I was like, I need to smoke. I'm sure. I'm like, sure. No problem. I would love that. I'll, I'll look totally natural doing it so we're like smoking we're smoking in in you know in lakers arena there and in the staple center yeah and then someone's like do you want to meet uh kareem abdul jabbar he's just he's coming over here he's like there's a little lounge it's like kareem it's just like a couple people hanging out like kareem abdul jabbar that was a moment where i just was thinking this is a great like what a wonderful combination of so fucking folks to to be in a little little lounge yeah that's a pinch me moment that's that sounds like a fucking dream yeah and it's it's very nice when you get to work with people that you that you love especially you know it's an athlete yourself included like lebron like lebron coming to host peyton coming to host like that those are really, those are moments that you kind of can't believe that you get to do that.

1:18:18Because you, writing for people that you love, like Larry David or Julia Dreyfuss, or people who are comedians is already, but then when it's an athlete, it's like a double thing of you never thought you'd get to do it. Or a musician, like writing something for Nicki Minaj, or something that's totally, totally a thing, you know, different out of your world. It's the best. it's so cool if that's why the job is just who else gets to work with those combinations of people over those years it's pretty amazing i feel very i feel very lucky well you should dude i appreciate the stories man thank you for uh thank you for the time the stories all the above thank you for all the fucking laughs on snl that the season 51 finale airs may 16th at 11 30 eastern as everyone knows and uh we cannot fucking wait to watch it on nbc peacock with host will ferrell and musical guest Paul Sir Paul McCartney.

1:19:14Enjoy it, dude. You can't wait to fucking see it, man. Pleasure. Thank you guys for having me on. I appreciate it. Oh, and also starting May 11th, new episodes of Pop Culture Jeopardy will premiere on Netflix. So every weekend. Oh, yeah. Enjoy it, ladies and gentlemen. I will say if you're a Jeopardy fan or a pop culture fan, there are some episodes that are incredible television, like the game play you will blow your mind like there's a semi-finals and the finals were like shockingly uh dramatic and cool so fuck yeah it has nothing to do with me the actual people playing the games are you got like you're gonna your mind's gonna be blown if you're a jeopardy that's pretty awesome nice oh yeah well fuck it appreciate you dude all righty thank you to colin

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1:20:35And thank you to our New Heights production team. We love you. And to the 92 %ers, we love you too. We'll see you guys next week. Ooh, we're gonna get some NFL scheduling next week.

1:20:45Jason Kelce:We'll see how accurate we were in the Chiefs. All right.

1:20:57I might not read, but I enjoy the arts. okay i'm not doing this anymore okay doing what this whole travis only likes chicken fingers all right i'm i'm not doing this anymore i'm fucking who said that was the case you and you did no both used to no we never said that you didn't like uh food before you started dating with taylor that's all i'm saying it's bogus and you stop you flew out of the country to prove a point you flew out of the country to prove me wrong personally and i say you're welcome i got you out there okay so because i don't eat mayonnaise out of a jar and because i don't fucking eat at a restaurant that i just blindly go to and don't really enjoy go blindly go to says the guy who

1:21:47Jason Kelce:made the reservation. I blindly went there. You took me there. It was... Goat is in the title. Goat is in the title. I was looking at restaurants around the area and that happened to have a good star rating. Goat is like third word in that title. You knew it was coming. Yeah, so is lady. Does that mean I'm going to fucking eat a lady? No, I don't know. Can we refocus on Shakespeare? I got to admit, I've never... I've seen like Romeo, Romeo, where art thou road? Like I've seen like bits. I don't think I've ever seen the full Romeo and Juliet. Yeah. I have no idea. I know the premise of it essentially is like, I think we had to read Midsummer Night's dream in high school.

1:22:32Jason Kelce:That's the only Shakespeare play that I've really actually read. I think we got to get culture. We got to get culture. We did Hamlet. Ooh, but I don't remember. i don't remember much hamlet's to be or not to hamlet's to be or not to be it's like the prince of denmark i i played in high school i know there's war right ham so from what other people tell me hamlet is like the if you're a dude you're going to be into hamlet that's what i've been told hamlet are probably i don't know how accurate that is probably very dude heavy too i actually saw much ado about that that's a that's a movie another play i did in high school i think i've seen much ado about nothing as well big shakespeare guy don't laugh at me travis What'd you play, Brandon?

1:23:14What was your character? I was Benedict. That's the lead, by the way. Oh! Benedict Arnold. Starting quarterback. There we go. Your boy right here. Also, played Hamlet. Come at me, Travis. Clearly went to a very small school with not a lot of stars. You son of a bitch, Kelsey!