Sanders’ Drop, Gorilla Fights and Ben Affleck on Accountant 2, Damon’s Abs and Catching with Brady | EP 137

27:45You know what I mean? Like, just, I hope this just happens in the biggest fuck you to everybody around their question and that side of things. But anyways. Let's fucking go. Travis Kelsey also famously slid from character concerns. Arguably was the best tight end on tape. So, Shador, look no further. This could be you. Jason Kelsey, character concerns, fell all the way to the six round. Character concerns and size concerns. What do you think about that Jason Kelsey guy? Well, he's a fucking lunatic. I've heard he's an asshole, loses his temper all the time. So, on top of that, he's too small. Oh, yeah, he ran a good 40.

28:26Let's pick him in the six round. Travis Kelsey. The funny thing about Trav is that there was nothing outside of the injuries. I guess you had two things. You had a few injuries, and then you obviously had the marijuana thing stemming from your sophomore year. But outside of that, I only remember people – You're saying marijuana makes it sound so more intense. Why does that word sound so intense? Maybe it's just like – Is it just funny that – do you ever stop the thing? You probably got drafted an entire round later than you should have. Maybe even – I mean, you could have – the tape that you had your senior year was incredible.

29:02So I had only had two years at tight end. Well, you really only had one year of playing fully healthy the whole year. I just think it's funny sometimes looking back and like, there are all these concerns about Travis Kelsey and like everybody, whoever knew you knew you were a great kid. You just had like a mess up with marrow, like weed. Sorry. And then all of a sudden, like teams aren't picking you for it. Like think about that today. Like even back then, 75 % NFL players are smoking weed. What the fuck are we talking about? We're going to act like this is a death sentence? Yeah, we are. It just blows my mind.

29:37No, it's crazy, man. Everybody's all good, though. Shout out to Big Red. Worked out great. Worked out perfect. I just want everybody that drops in the draft for whatever character concerns or whatever, if it ever pans out, they should just do that exact same character concern. You should have just walked into signing your second deal with a blunt in your hand, smoking it as a sign of the paper. so where do i where do i sign this i'm not condoning smoking weed but unless you sign a multi-millionaire deal and you want to say fuck you to all the people that doubted you because you did smoke weed i'm just signing the wrong parts of the contract it's like travis you didn't sign a single line correctly travis we said side here all right well either way um the draft is in the books 2025 draft is officially over now we get to see if these guys are actually any good and it's going to be a lot of fun.

30:27All right. I say we get out of this draft and toss it to the old Ben Affleck interview. Yep, Ben Affleck. Let's go. Come on now.

30:38This is fucking badass, dude. It's awesome, man. It's more fun now. You can do stuff where because stuff like this, people listen to, people walk, people care about. It's really fun to talk to somebody, guys I admire and like. And I'm like, this is fucking great. It's so much more interesting. No wonder why that's the shit that people actually want to see instead of the kind of same recycled bullshit that, you know, just gets old. I hear you, man. Thanks for having me. I appreciate you guys. Complete honor, man. This is incredible. We are chopping at the bit, brother. Before we get started, I just got to let you know, this is not a professional deal here.

31:12We're just going to kick it. We're just going to fucking kick it. Good, man. Yeah. Believe me. That's great. I love it. Jason, do the honors, my brother. Our guest today is writer, director, actor, producer from Berkeley, California. He's got three times Golden Globes, two-time BAFTAs, two-time SAG Awards, and is a two-time Academy Award winner. You know him from Good Will Hunting, Armageddon, Argo, Gone Girl, The Town, Justice League, even Dunkin' Donuts Super Bowl commercials. That's right. And now, The Accountant 2. That's right. Yes, sir. 92 %ers, please welcome Mr. Ben Affleck. What's up?

31:57Best fucking introduction ever. I didn't know half that shit. Thank you, man. Of course, man. It's good to be here, man. It's really good to be here. The first accountant, fucking amazing. Absolutely amazing. Jason, you can go ahead and tell them about how you're connected in that world and everything. thing but i i was blown away by the by the messages sent by just how cool everything came together and you just felt how it ended that you had to do another one right it was just so fast thank first of all thank you very much i really like the first one and uh it kind of like it did well and then it like built up it kind of came out right as streaming uh started growing and then over time like you know more and more people watching stuff and uh so i was really excited to do another one.

32:45I love the new version. I think it's even better than the first movie. Hell yeah. I appreciate it, man. It's a lot of fucking, a lot of fun and it's good to be here to talk about it. Well, I know you've been told this before from the first one and the second one is very, very similar. You do such a great job of portraying somebody on the spectrum. You can tell that you guys put so much time and effort into doing that properly. Showcasing tools for how people that are on the spectrum deal with too much stimulus going on. What are different traits? How do they communicate? What is the social interaction like?

33:18The dating scene from this second movie right off the gate. Oh, my gosh. So good. But my wife works with kids on the spectrum. She was an instructional aide for a long time. We do a lot of stuff in the autism community. So I'd be remiss if I did not say how awesome you do and how much you guys have nailed it in both films. So well done. Thank you very much, man. That's obviously the most important thing. It's like, look, this movie is fun. It's tense. It's serious. It's funny, but obviously it kind of starts with like when you're taking a role on like this and you're going to kind of talk about like people about whom in particular there's been some like misunderstandings or judgments or whatever.

33:56Like the goal is to for authenticity and respect and empathy and understanding. And I did a lot of research for the first one. And I got, I got really lucky in my life in the years between because I, I got to develop some very close relationships with people very much like my character. And I, that's where I got like, there's people that enriched my life and I just got to know. And, and then I was like, there's so much joy and humor and wry humor and wisdom and so much beauty in, in these, these folks. And it's like, I really felt like that was the most important thing to bring that humanity up.

34:35Because, yeah, sometimes if you have a more like neutral effect, people might just assume, okay, well, they're very serious. Or there's not, you know, there's not as much going on or they have the same feelings. And I have not found that at all to be true. It's just a slightly different way of seeing the world and approaching it. And I really wanted to bring that to this role, both because I thought, you know, it hadn't really been done in that way. And because I just came to love, you know, in effect, this character to the people that I knew. So it's like that when I got into this one, I was like, no, no, no, I really understand this guy.

35:07I kind of guessed and fooled around and researched before. And now I have it. And I wanted people to feel it, you know. And so thank you very much. And it means the world to me. And it's a very interesting experience because like you're talking about, like, you know, dealing with social cues. Like in some ways, it's just a slightly more elevated version of what we all kind of experience, but high. Like for sure things about people on the spectrum is like they're honest with you. Yeah, right. Shoot you straight. We all talk about how we want honesty. Truth is people want it if it's what they want to hear.

35:38Tell us the truth. They don't really want the truth. There's something wonderful about somebody who I'm just going to tell you the truth about it. So don't ask something that you don't want. exactly exactly yeah well it was and who kava that's like we all kind of find like look you know the whole situation trying to date somebody and figure out like meet people flirt with them the kind of like cues and indications that people get like i think a lot of people have a little bit of difficulty trying to figure that out i say the right thing like come off stupid this is just a more kind of in plain sight version of that the most beautiful about it's like the vulnerability Guy's like trying to have a connection with his brother.

36:19Really, that's the heart of it. He loves his brother, but drives him fucking crazy, you know? And so it's about how do we figure that out, you know? And same with the relationships. Yeah. Yeah. And it's awesome seeing that side of it with like the social interaction and things where a lot of times people on the spectrum kind of struggle with. But then you also see the strengths of the character and obviously the ability to like process numbers and like make connections that nobody else is going to be able to do. So it's just so well done. Have you ever embodied a character as much as this? I mean, you've...

36:49I mean, not really. There's been a lot of characters. You've gathered so many. I mean, you've had so many unbelievable movies. But hearing you talk about this, it sounds like you really like... It was almost like a passion project this second time around. It was. It was a very different thing the second time around because... Just because of my life and the love I had developed. And I was like... So I was like dying to get going. You know, I was like... I remember the director like sat down at me and was like... And I was like, no, no, this is what this scene's about. No, this is how he's feeling.

37:18No, he's not mad about that. You know, and I just started to know kind of much more deeply about the guy. And that's like, look, as an actor, you try to do as much research as you can, but you just, it's like cheating almost when you have real experience with something. You just bring a whole other level of stuff to it. And that's what happened with this movie. And it was fun. And also, honestly, Jon Bernthal is so genius. The guy, I love this guy. He's a good man. He's a great actor. He's like, good father. He's just, he's a guy that I, he became a very close friend of him. I love the guy. And getting to play the scenes with him, maybe that's analogous to like, you know, another great player on the team.

37:56Like, we have a super high level. It just changes everything. Where you're like, oh, he already knows where I'm going to be. He already can see what I'm doing. He's there. And you know what I mean? It just makes you so much better. That was a joy every day. Well, and is there, it feels like a lot of the movies you're in, there's this incorporation of brotherhood. Obviously, that's a literal brother in this movie, but I mean, Good Will Hunting, like the town, like there's like this idea of friendship and brotherhood. That's something that encompasses so well in a lot of the films you do. But Bernthal is phenomenal in this one as well.

38:29Yeah, he is. He's great. And yeah, that's a theme that's like really meaningful to me. And certainly like, you know, when I was young and like a lot of young guys before you, you get older and have other kinds of responsibilities to get married, that kind of thing. like you're oftentimes your male friends are your whole world, like your guys, your crew, that's a big deal. And, and it really means a lot to, particularly to men and to how we kind of grow into real men and those guys that were around shape and dictate that. I mean, I assume on a, like, you know, football team, it's even more kind of profound.

39:04And so for me, it was like, I've always been interested in these like very close male friendships and how they can be fucking, define us, how they can be hard when it becomes like a conflict or when part of what's going on with another guy is a problem. But for a lot of us, particularly if you, whether or not you had a dad who was as president or around, the period of time where that's the center of your life and you're socializing yourself in that way. And so that was a big frame of reference for me. And I think there's a lot. There's like vulnerability in it and there's strength. And it's a big way that oftentimes I think kind of men learn to to grow into who they're going to be.

39:42And so it's a theme that I, that I keep on coming back to. It's also very, you know, very powerful. It's like, especially when you have like a group of guys like that, and like when somebody is going to tell you the truth or the way that things have been going and go like, no, this is fucked up. Like that can be, I think especially for men in those conversations, like he's hugely powerful moment. Those are kind of the things that we remember. And oftentimes that like define us in my experience. You ain't lying, man. There's been so many, like, iconic, like, I don't even want to go. I hate listing, like, lines to guys who literally did this.

40:15But, like, the town, like, when you go in there and you're like, I'm not telling you where or what we're going for, why we're going there. I just need you to know. Deal. We're going. We're going right now. It's just like every guy that has any close friends can relate to that story where it's like, dude, I got my boys back no matter what is the case. You don't need to explain it. You don't need to tell me. yeah it's like we're gonna do something really hard it's a huge you don't know what it is and i need your help yes that's all i'm gonna say okay it's probably gonna take it's like that's the only you know and i was trying to find but i remember a shot to that movie i was i was like i need really get a moment where we understand what kind of friendship he has with this guy so that when you know when when it starts to like get a lot of tension applied to it you understand how strong it is because it's an internal thing the bond we feel right the connection and that that was like i i was like he's got to you know i wanted something kind of you know extreme for that so you go like oh these guys will follow each other anywhere yeah you know absolutely you're dealing with something really powerful like this is the most important relationship in both of their lives yep and that was you know i kind of lucked into that line it was because kind of funny you know and extreme but it's so damn good it does represent i think a lot of you know you see it you see it in sports you see it in the military you see like you see represented in some way like hey i'll go fight and die like i remember i did a training thing for a movie um with the army for two weeks which probably was the hardest experience of my life two weeks is a long time training dude if i wasn't like so embarrassed about this boot camp i would have quit for sure i'd be like i'm gonna look terrible you're ringing the bell totally it was no joke but i learned a lot of respect for it and i remember the guys were like One of the things these guys would say is like, you don't die for a flag.

42:01You don't die for an idea. You don't die for your friend, your guy next to you. And that really stayed with me. Like, oh, yeah, I get that. I get that. That's how these bonds get shaped and how you get these like teams and units to function this way. You know, it's very powerful. We have one last question for you before we move on. Could you actually file your own taxes? Do you file your own taxes? You go into a glass room and just start writing on the walls? I mean, yeah, I could file him. I might get arrested for tax evasion. If I was you, I could do that. I'm tempted to do that. I write a lot of things down.

42:41It's not the right answer. Oh, God. So good, man. Check out Accountant 2 in theaters right now, ladies and gentlemen, 92 percenters. My dog, Ben Affleck, fucking killed it. We got to get into this sports fandom, though, man. Ben, does the chair you're sitting in kind of lock? like so it doesn't swivel. Oh, you don't want me doing this type of thing? You're moving kind of in and out of frame. Oh, because it's a third, a third, a third. Let me just try to fucking sit still. You know what I mean? I can probably manage that shit. Instead of like lock me in the chair, you know what I mean? Hopefully I can manage that.

43:14I'll try to help you out. Oh my gosh. If that's how you handle most of your guests, like can we tie him down? Yeah.

43:24This says a lot about what's going on. You strap this fucking guy to the chair or not? That's how you lock it in. Oh, man. All right. Let's get to some sports fandom, man. Boston's sports fan for life, I'm assuming, man. And it's all the sports up there, man. You got baseball, basketball, football, hockey, all of them. Boston's been spectacular, especially through the 90s, 2000s. And right now, this is a sports podcast, so let's jump into some. NFL draft will happen by the time this airs. Do you have like a favorite in this draft? Are you that in tune with like the guys coming out? Where I'm like, I can tell a fucking guy's combine numbers and shit.

44:05You know what I mean? Just like who looks like I'm not that into, especially kind of like when Tom left New England and the whole thing, I was like, I had to step back from, I was kind of like, I stopped, shit started to stop making sense to me. And I kind of didn't know, but kind of like, to start watching the NFL, like more casual. I used to be more into like, who are we going to get? Who's the draft pick? And now I kind of find myself a little conflicted. So I can't give you certainly any great detail on the draft, although I bet you guys can't. I'm curious to know, like, do you think there's, like, more insight that you have in terms of, like, upcoming players?

44:40Like, do you think there really is a skill and an expertise to be in, like, seeing how a guy will develop? Or is there anybody facing just looking at the same fucking numbers, stat sheets, combine numbers and that kind of thing? There's definitely a process. and some guys hit it out, like they like hit home runs during the interview process. Like if you can't show the teams that you're going to be like a great teammate, a great professional, like you're just kind of like a guy that likes to just play football. Like, but if you can go in there and show that you're going to be professional, you're going to have like a routine, you're going to be, you know.

45:13How important is that really? Like, I know they say that shit all the time. He's a good clubhouse guy, all that stuff. But like, have you seen it make a real difference? And does it make a difference to somebody who's looking at a player and this guy's for real you know his commitment all that stuff I think the guys that we brought in in Kansas City you know have been those guys the guys that have had immediate success and found a way to get a second contract here those are the guys that they want it's the build the build I've been here from the jump uh like 13 years ago before Coach Reed even got here they didn't have that kind of chemistry and kind of like culture in the building it kind of took like five or six years for them to bring in the guys they wanted that had that professionalism and that like enjoyment in the building, coming into work every single day.

45:55And once we finally got that, it just changed the trajectory of the program. And winning helps that too. The more success you have and the more wins, the more people genuinely buy. And I mean, that's one of the things that Bill and Tom did so well for so long. Nobody's going to come in there question how stuff's done when you got that type of success. So it affords you a great culture, even with guys that might not. maybe if they were in another situation, they wouldn't be the same type of guy. But I think for me, I've started to look at guys coming out more because now that I'm done, I try to help out or that's my way to kind of stay involved.

46:30I never looked at a lot of college guys. It's hard, man. It's hard to evaluate and see guys and tell which guys are going to be the ones that pan out. As a player, you watch it and you can't help but think of guys that they remind you of and the way they move and the times and like the measurables, those are all parameters that you kind of take into account. Like, you know, if there's a center with less than 32-inch arms, that's a red flag. If there's a tackle with less than 34-inch arms, you're like there's a certain like minimum amount that you want. But then after that, I like watching the tape and seeing like, how does the guy bend?

47:07How does – what is his quickness? What are his moves? What is – how does the offensive lineman use his hands? And then you're trying to think of like, you know, what is coachable and correctable there's some guys that you watch you can almost tell that they're smart players by the angles that they take like oh this guy gets football he knows where the ball's going and he's advanced and other guys are just they look like they're running in the middle of the field like dude you have any idea like what's happening right now like you're it's really interesting to hear you guys talk about it because it actually does remind me because i thought completely different and it reminds me a lot of of directing movies actually which seems weird maybe but like like when you said hey yeah establishing some success goes a long way towards buying where like it was more difficult for me to convince people like hey come on down this road i got no early on i know what i'm doing because i could sure guys kind of like fuck you know you know what i mean like you might be leading me down the wrong road you know and kind of get us all fucked up and i kind of like i noticed that as the movie come out people like it and stuff it was people came to me with more openness you know i don't know if randy moss would show up with the same openness that he showed up yeah but he started to get towards that and the other thing is that that thing of like i really do believe that there's a kind of a flow state with active with sports all that stuff and a part of it is that thing of like am i comfortable am i at ease do i feel like like i can kind of do my thing it kind of basically that kind of buy-in that you talked about you know in kansas city about creating a culture I do think that that makes a huge difference and sometimes I see people I'm crazy if I say like you've got to have not just a great cameraman you've got to have an environment where all the people that are kind of filmmakers and they understand what's important and everybody feels like they share a culture of valuing certain things about what we're trying to do and I guess it's interesting because I often thought those things were kind of cliches that guys said when they had to talk to the media or whatever but to hear it articulated by the two professional guys who've done it actually made a lot more sense.

49:12I'm like, oh, it's the same thing. Like you want people to share certain values, unrecognized what's important here, how we do this here. You know, I get that. And I, I wonder though about like with, with football or, you know, even other sports, it seems to me that part of the trick is figuring out who's going to keep growing and develop and who's going to stay kind of static. You know what I mean? No question. Any particular attributes that is it people who can like, who can tolerate, like can't tolerate failure but can get back up when they fail and get after it again is it like is resilience the the principal thing is it just like some people are lucky and they just keep getting better like have you found any common traits i feel like you just you i think a lot of that uh is is dealt with when you have great culture great coaches in in hand because then you got somebody that they respect the person that's that that needs to like grow as a player they they have somebody that they respect that is challenging them.

50:07Like a guy like me, I had coach Reed since the beginning of my career sitting there, just kind of hit me on the head, telling me, don't do this, don't do this, keep doing that, keep doing that. And you've, you slowly start to like find your own professionalism inside of the culture. Right. And then now you know how to add to that culture and you know, and you know how to like build that culture even, even more once you start to figure out, you know, the rights and the wrongs and what you should and shouldn't be doing. but at the same time, Coach Reed has also grown a lot since I've been there in terms of letting the players kind of be more of themselves off the field.

50:44He would have never let me fucking do this podcast in the beginning of my career. He would have told me, yeah, no, how about no? How about focus on football, bud? But it's definitely – I feel like a lot of that is – you have to have that drive and that love for the game to want to keep getting better, And that goes along with guys that are coming into the building or guys in the draft. You got to see it on the field. You got to see them love to compete. And then you have to see them love to work on their craft throughout. And that's kind of where it comes more of like a juggling match is like you only know that word of mouth.

51:21You don't really know what they're doing behind the scenes. How much of a hardcore fucking like coach do you respond to? because I like like I'm a coach me up I think yeah like you want a guy who's like get right in your face like what the fuck is wrong with you don't you you know or do you want somebody that's giving you that like hey you know you can get better here like where do you think that sweet spot is for you I can respond to either one of those I think coaches should be generally who their personalities are like if you're a fired up dude and you kind of motherfuck and that's kind of how you do it and I can respond great to that if you're like very reserved but you're honest and articulate and you communicate really well.

51:58I can respond well to that. The big thing is like, I want to be coached. Like I want to be told when I'm doing things like, what can I do to get better? And I think to your point of like, how do some guys improve? How do, uh, you know, some guys, a master potential, like Kobe Bryant came and talked to the Eagles one time. And one of the things he said was like, one of his notes to all the young guys was be curious, keep asking questions, keep trying to get better. Like this, there's some guys that come in with just like this insatiable appetite to become better, even though they might have downturns and they might have to like have that resiliency.

52:31And like, we've all dealt with that in our careers and it sucks in the moment, but you realize at the end, it makes you so much better because you learn from it and you learn like, dude, why was I using my hands that way? If I just would have done this this way, like, and now I'm doing it and it's leading to more success. And of course, there needs to be great coaching and potential there to begin with but that trait of like just this this insatiable desire to like be the best version of a football player you can be is like the biggest thing to me um and that's hard yeah it's hard to pick of guys coming out like who knows those are those intangibles where it's like you kind of lean on coaches that you know that know them like there's you talk to people in the in the in the in the universities that they're at like hey I know this coach there and I know he will be honest with me about this guy's temperament, but that's a tough, that's a tough one to gauge.

53:26That's a hard thing too. Cause you're calling somebody up there in the spot where like what they're going to tell you is going to dictate somebody's future. It's like, you know, the experience where somebody calls you about a job recommendation for somebody, even if you're like, I don't know if he's, but you, it feels bad to say that. And like, what I used to do is like say good things about everybody. Cause I felt bad. And then I have people come back to me, man. You told me this guy. I know. Oh, shit. I know. Not doing you a service. You know what I mean? So I had to learn that lesson. One of the things I see in our line of work is the people who I really respect the most, who I think are the best, have this combination of wanting to be great, which is a sense of like, yeah, I can be great, but also a certain humility that's like, I got to keep looking at my mistakes.

54:11Dude, absolutely. If you're not willing to look at your feelings and shit, what you can do better. Self-evil, baby. I have said this so much. Every great player that I know is the right amount of insecure. Like they aren't happy with like, it's not like they're not happy with either, but they're like, I don't like, I need to improve this. I don't like me, this version of me here. I don't know if I've ever watched the game where I'm just like, nice. I'm satisfied. I've always watched the game. Like you fucking idiot. Yeah. Why didn't I just do this better? You fucking suck. That's the biggest thing is like, there's people who are cool with good enough and people who didn't make the choice i think it just drives me crazy yeah people like oh we're good i'm like it's not good yeah you know what i mean it just makes me feel no and then when you get next to somebody else who also has that kind of demand you know and that maybe it's coach or it's another person that you're working with you kind of feel like okay this person's going to go on this ride with me and i do think it's just some person has some people are like i checked the box i did what i had to do and there's a kind of like and the great athletes that I've had a chance, opportunity to know, like sometimes I feel like it's a little bit of a curse because they know, they still don't feel happy.

55:20Like they're always guys who feel like whatever it is, isn't enough. And they kind of like, they don't seem like the most comfortable, happy people to me. So I'm like, I love the idea of being great. And I admire, I wish I was like this guy. What are you talking about? You're talking about. I wish I could do that. I wish I could do that. That looks awesome. Right. I feel like anybody who watches sports, part of that's like it'd be awesome if I could do that. You know what I mean? Like that's at the root of it. You've done something, you know, how hard it is. You see guys doing at that level of excellence, you really appreciate it.

55:55And for me, I've, you know, that, that's the thrill of it. You know, why you want to see the top level of performance, why people obsessed with winning, because it represents who the very best are. And I think that goes to the root of our evolutionary nature. I'm going to go hunt for your food. You're going to find the best hunter because that's survival. Yes, absolutely. You want to be next to that person. Your food is your tribe. It's your village. It's tied to whether you live or die. Yeah, and the great ones, they're unhappy with where they're at or a little bit insecure with where they're at, but they also have the confidence that they can achieve it.

56:29You know what I mean? There's this level of if you think you suck, but you don't think you have the confidence to get there, you're never going to make it and if you think you're great but you don't really know where you're at you're going to get your ass kicked eventually like I'm a genius I'm nothing to learn yes but also I don't know if you guys drive a motorcycle when I was learning I was doing this motorcycle school they taught me this thing about you sit back on the Harley or what dude most of them like race bikes you know what I mean like and it teach you like as you're in a turn you have to look through the turn in other words you can't look at what's in front of you you have to look where you're where you're gonna go and if you actually the way guys get into accidents a lot of time is they get into a turn it's steeper than they thought you get scared you're gonna hit the wall so you look at the wall and then you do hit so to have that confidence to like look all the way through even when you get halfway there and you're like they're like the bike can do more than you think it can Trust it and look all the way through it.

57:32There's always that moment, like you say, of like, I believe I can get there even if it's really hard. You know what I mean? Absolutely. That is, I think, a key part of it. And you probably experience or develop that belief because you have to have done it a few times. Oh, I can get better. And maybe that's rooted in talent or whatever. But there's definitely that those I find it fascinating, those kind of intangibles. And I think there's, you know, you've got to ask the guys who are great themselves because I think those are people who really understand. I was going to say, speaking of the great ones, getting back to some of this Boston fandom, baby, the Celtics are, you know, defending their title.

58:09Obviously, Boston sports everywhere is amazing and has been amazing. Who's your favorite athlete, Boston athlete of all time? Of all time? Of all time. I mean, not as hard, man. Like, you know, Brady is definitely – he'd have to be – I don't know how you do a list that he's not at the top of. But also, when I was younger, you know, when I was a kid, like that's when you're like – I mean, I was live or die. Oh, yeah. Hell, yeah. You know, crying if they lost the game. And that was like Larry Bird. Larry Legend. Larry Legend. And my son's always like, man, Larry Bird sucked. What are you talking about?

58:46Put the highlights on. Put the highlights on. Listen, I'm turning on some film back in like all these, hey, these old guys are looking at what the new basketball looks like. I'm like, I don't know what some of them could play. Larry could play. Larry could easily have made the transition into today's basketball. For Boston, that was such a big deal because they were, it's like this basically like a small town with a kind of a small town mindset. And for the Celtics to be, and that's, you know, going back obviously to like Bill Russell days and all that, like the Celtics were the Boston's original entrance into like the national conversation that, you know what I mean?

59:21The Red Sox always lost. The Patriots were fucking terrible. My father, like basically was a football bookie at a bar and was used to come up my first VCR washing machine. He was like, you know, and we put a bet on New England and he's back in the days. When I grew up, they blacked the games out on TV. To get people to go to the stadium. Yeah, they were like, fuck, you can't watch it on TV if you don't go down there. So you couldn't even watch the games. It was that, like, it was a grind of an era for football, you know. But it was, but so that's the era that I really, you know, when all these, like, childhood sports memories were kind of formed, and I love those Celtics teams.

1:00:01But I also love that, like, you know, that Celtics team that came out and won the championship out here, and obviously Tateman's team, incredible. Yeah, man. You know, but Red Sox, 0-4, that was a big, big. because they had won, you know what I mean? And that was a huge moment, especially after 03, they got, they got, they lost to New York in the playoffs, and it was humiliating, and that was a great team, and that was right at the time where I was still young enough, I was like going out, I knew some of those guys, you know, hung out with them a little bit, that experience of being like, oh, this is what's really going on?

1:00:35Big poppies! Yes, we did. Big youth, Cincinnati Bear Camp, baby. There you go. Kevin Euclid. Yeah, Kevin Euclid. Yeah, yeah. And they were great guys. And so it was like, oh, I know some of these guys. You know, it was always at a distance. And it's a great sports town. I mean, it's probably tough to play in because they'll, you know, they turn on you in a minute. There's always somebody, you know, complaining about a game if they lost. But I feel like the guys that really want to play and win are like, okay, you know, hold me to that standard. That's the standard I hold myself to, you know. At least that's what I tell myself.

1:01:06All right. There we go. Boston, do they live and die by the Celtics? What's their biggest fandom of all the major sports? If you get one championship for one organization, but the next three don't win for a decade, which one are you going? Damn, that's a good one. Or which one would make Boston the happiest? That's tough. I mean, it's different. It's interesting because there are fans. First of all, since the Patriots became so successful, they became like more than what like Dallas was in the 90s. Like, oh, they win and they are killing teams. It was like, they got a little spoiled. because the thing that I thought built character about New England was that it felt like they always lost.

1:01:44You know what I mean? So if you were a fan, you were a real fan. Absolutely. Because back in the news, they'd have these heartbreaking losses. And you had like a few moments. It's like growing up a Browns fan. Real scrappy fucking teams like Bobby Ward. Hell yeah. Bobby Ward, baby. Fuck yeah. And it was like, that was back when they played hockey with no helmets and just fought half the game. Like slap shots. Missing all their teams. Exactly. The fucking best. And so there's different parts of the city and the state and stuff that kind of go towards different – like hockey fans are kind of a certain sort of group.

1:02:14And then football is kind of – I mean, the Red Sox were the original one, but definitely what's happened now I think in my lifetime is that from better or for worse, I think this is true. I don't want to like – but baseball is not the national pastime anymore. It's the NFL. Like that has displaced it. Right now, I mean, you don't have to look any further than the football – like what do the teams sell for? what are the TV rights the NFL now everything if you're a television network and you don't have the NFL you don't even really have a TV you're missing out because you have no reason to watch you know you like appointments fucking televisions that's why they're spending all this money on and you know the college college basketball and football contracts and stuff like sports have become more important in a way and I think football the NFL is I think without question like America's sport and it's and it's basketball's huge too it is really like the NBA we were trying to tell LeBron this during the Christmas games we were like the NFL fucking took that shit over yeah right you know why though because they have 82 games that's a big thing that's the other thing it's like it becomes baseball 162 games it was the first time we had played on Christmas so everybody was kind of excited to watch the NFL on Christmas no but I think you're right I mean The NBA, NHL, Major League Baseball, they all came up when the way to make money was having more games because you increased ticket sales.

1:03:40And now all the money is who's tuning in. And if you want people to tune in. You can sell no tickets to NFL. That makes this, you know, it's not that meaningful because now baseball teams, you talk about like a lot of these baseball teams in local markets, even like Kansas City. the rights that they're selling their games to the television networks has shrunk to pretty surprisingly low numbers. So they're making all their money. That's it. It's part of it because the fan base has grown older for baseball and football and basketball really attract new and younger fans. I think they've displaced it.

1:04:17I think New England's no different. I think the Patriots probably became, certainly with Tom and Bill, they were the dominant sports. And the Red Sox right there because they won the World Series at four or seven and stuff. But, and I don't know, I think this, I think basketball, I think basketball is probably like a very close second.

1:05:03All right. explain to David, like, it's going to become, like, he's a big football fan. He's not as tuned into baseball, right? He's obsessed with football and Madden. And, like, the dude's the greatest Madden player, David Fincher, that I've ever seen, which is fucking weird to me. But I was like, okay, I guess he's great at everything. That's amazing. I was like, it's going to be a distraction that you don't want. Like a stupid side story about wearing Yankees hat. Like, trust me. And he was, he kind of, I think he got, he was kind of fucked with me. That is fucking hilarious. Well, all right.

1:05:33Well, if you were to wear maybe a Chiefs or Eagles hat, which one would you wear? Don't put me in the spotlight. I will say, I have to say, because Billy Goldberg upstairs, who is my editor, along with Chris Ross, that I've worked with my whole career and is probably responsible for a large part of my career, is the biggest Philadelphia fan. Yeah, baby! You must. Does not ever have to be in a Philly football game. I have to say, Philly has the, at least Boston, and like, to me, Philly has like the intense fucking tradition where I'm like, and like Bradley Cooper's in front of my mind, loves the Philly, so I'm like, I'd have to go with the Philly's on that.

1:06:12Hell yeah, go birds, go birds baby. Also, the Philly fans will kick your ass if you don't wear it, you know what I mean? In Kansas City, they're like that's cool, you know what I mean? You gotta kind of stick together. They're way out there in the middle of the country like, come on out here, have some good time you wanna see some intensity. They're like, oh, polite and Midwestern and shit. That'd be nice to you. It'd fucking gene stomp you. Oh, gosh. We heard that you once got to run routes with Tom Brady. All right. What was it like? What was that like? How many completions did we get? What were you running?

1:06:45What kind of routes were you running? I won't lie to you. I don't know if they have a name. I'm sure I disgraced every receiver that's ever running a route, but to this day, aside from the birth of my children. That was the greatest thing. I was like, dude, are you, he was like, I need someone to play catch with. Happened to be on vacation at the same place with him. And he was like, you want to come down? And I was like, oh, this was, so this was legit. This was as legit as it gets. You were helping Tom get ready for the season. I was like, I don't know how much I was helping him. I think he was like, he was like, I'm going to fucking blow this dude's mama.

1:07:26And we literally got down there. And first he's like, You know, he's like, okay, go out here, turn around, spin around. And I'm like, all right, running fast as I can, turn around. So look at him. He's been waiting 45 minutes. You know what I mean? Fucking guns have bought me. I'm like, I caught it because I was afraid of breaking my nose more than anything else. And then after a few of those, he's like, all right, we'll put some hair on it. I was like, no, no, no, no. It's already playing fast. Yeah. That was what I was about to ask you. That's what I was about to ask you. Did he actually spin it?

1:07:55Like, he rips you a couple? Is he going to hum him now? You know, what I found was that, like, in a way, you catch it out of self-defense. I didn't even think I was, you know, and I found myself with the football just like, yes, fight or flight reflexes. But the greatest moment of that experience was he was like, after we played, you know, he had me running around. I'm, you know, he's throwing me the ball and it was amazing, right? It was like a, like, I felt like a 10-year-old kid. He's like, okay, come here. And I get to him and he's like, it's the Super Bowl, fourth quarter. We have 23 seconds.

1:08:27it's 4th and 18th I love this I'm going to start talking about I was like he's like just run this is why he's the best this is why he's the best this is his mindset dude he was amazing dude he goes and just run straight don't turn around and I was like he's like I'm going to get you the ball in the end zone I was like don't turn around he was like don't look back so I'm like and I believe he told me I was like I'm in the Super Bowl now So he's like, look, look, calls it out. And I start running. I don't look back. I'm sure to him it seemed like this. He's like, I've never seen somebody run in slow motion.

1:09:07To me, I was going to go as fast as you can go. And I'm like wondering when's this ball going to show up. And I look, I just feel like right out in front of me. And it was a little far for me. I think he was like, he probably adjusted back. and I reach out and I have to go off, extend. I fucking catch it. Turn around like I won.

1:09:38It was incredible. I called everybody I knew. For two days I was on the, so tell everybody to call me and I went down and got to believe. I think they thought I was lying too much. So they got, but it was like the nicest thing anyone's ever done for me. and I lived a full life of dreams, right, in that, whatever it was, hour of playing catch. You had a real-life Sandlot moment. You were Smalls. Dude, what? Kenny the Jet. Kenny the Jet. Just put that glove up there, boy. That's so good. All right. I'm going to get it to you in the end zone. I mean, and it's like when he looked at me, it felt like this is exactly what he looks like when it really is, the Super Bowl, you know what I mean?

1:10:18Like, and he's one of those guys going back to that thing. I've often wondered because he seems so relaxed, oddly relaxed. I've often wondered if that's part of it. Like just not, you know, when everyone else has that anxiety because it's, you know, whatever, 20 seconds to go in the fourth quarter. If you can have that like calm and that awareness, I think it's a huge, huge advantage. There's a story, I don't know if it's true about Joe Montana, that the Super Bowl, he threw the catch to the White Clark. And the play before that, he got into the huddle, and he was looking into the stands, and the team came back, and they were like, what?

1:10:53And he goes, hey, look over there. Is that John Candy? No. John Candy. And they just, like, turned back around. But he was, like, looking over and being like, oh, shit, that's John Candy. All right, fuck it, let's go. Like, you know what I mean? Like, he was just casual, and I feel like that always made sense. If you've ever met Joe Montana, that's a smooth son of a buck right there. He's a cool cat, man. He's a laid-back dude. I believe it. Are you sick and tired of having to look at Matt Damon's abs? Damn, every – I just went to the premiere. Every interviewer, like, they were giving me something.

1:11:30Like, they found the secret of life. Like, whips out an 8x10 of Matt with his abs. I was like, this dude is out there. One time he got in shape. And the whole world, I was like, he worked out one time. He's out there flexing his nuts off with his abs. But, you know, it looks good. It ain't easy. When you touch 50, you boys will see. I hear you, man. He's calling everybody. Tell him where he's going. I'm going to be on this beach at this time. He's like, me. He's like, I'm about to have a Big Mac. So good. Dude, you guys lived together in Boston your first year. Or growing up, I should say. I say first year.

1:12:08But growing up. We were friends in the same box. We lived together in LA. We were friends since we were little kids. Dude, that's so fucking cool. Me and Jason were living together at Cincinnati, and obviously we grew up together. I know what it's like to, like, hang out with your homies and, like, be in the same houses. Like, how fucking cool? Were you guys just fucking throwing cool-ass ideas back and forth to each other? I don't know how cool they were, you know? I don't know how cool. We were just, like, fucking dumb enough to think it would work out for us. You know, that's that kind of, like, belief that, like, yeah, that's part of the gift of being young is you don't really see that like this could end bad.

1:12:45No one hires a video. Like it might not work. We always kind of had a certain, like, hey, we go out there. I don't know. It was a combination of not knowing anyone who had done it or it seemed very far away. And also going like, yeah, fuck it. We're going to move out to LA and we're going to try this thing and we're going to go after it. But I'm curious because for me, I found that I see a lot of other people who've had success and, you know, the kind of sort of light turns on you and all of a sudden it's a very different experience day to day and people act different and shit is weird, especially like I, you know, when people, this is that first at the beginning of that transition.

1:13:22And I really credit, you know, my ability to kind of stay sane to, to having like my best friend who was doing it too and being able to be like, is this fucking bananas or what, man? Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, why are you acting like that? Or whatever it is, you know, cause every other people want to, might want to kiss your ass or whatever it is i wonder if you had the same thing you guys like you know nfl guys and you're like but you know you're not the only one in your town that you know that that's that one kid who becomes a big star and everyone you know like you had each other with that yeah was that i was i was lucky i just got to follow this guy's footsteps i was just doing whatever the fuck he did and i was i was benefiting from the guy already paving the way for me but um it was definitely cool once we got to the league how we could bounce things off of each other especially because we were in two different cities two different buildings and it's like I don't know I we also had coach Reed he got drafted by coach Reed in Philly than I did in Kansas City so it was really me just like confirming that what I was doing was the right thing to do to Jason Jason was kind of just you know figuring it out as he went did you think that because he did it made it easier for you because you were like oh if my brother can do 1000 percent Jason came in and was like one of the most professional guys in Philly I've heard the stories through everybody in that building because half of them came to kansas city and they were like man if you just lock in and do what your brother did you'll be just fine i think that's a big deal oh no are you kidding me guys are fucking but i just gotta follow his footsteps stop all right i but i i really do think you're on to something with like you you and matt going through it together and like travis and i and like you know as you know as you have more success There's more people that come around you that don't really know you.

1:15:06And they just want to like tell you how great you are or whatever. And because you represent like a job or some status to somebody or whatever it is. So they're going to tune into that because they want it, you know, or they see you on camera or they see Travis and I doing this or on, um, on TV and they think they know us, but like to have these relationships that predate all of that other stuff is like, it's hard to like replicate that with like, whether it's friends, family members, and you end up really holding onto those and they, and they end up meaning a lot more and it helps you kind of keep your sense of self for sure.

1:15:40Undoubtedly. Absolutely, man. It's that is true words were never spoken. Like it's very hard to have the same quality relationship in a way with somebody and trust, like, because it's a big difference. Like the people that I grew up with who were I know those relationships were based on me and that person. They didn't have to do with anything else. And that's never a thing that you can take for granted after that point, which isn't to say I think everybody's trying to, but it changes things. And part of it, maybe it makes us wonder more like, okay, why does this person want to be like, I remember I had the best thing that ever happened to me was I got successful and then I hit a really bad patch.

1:16:20I had a bunch of movies that didn't work. I was in a bunch of tablets and I was like, it was always, I thought, okay, this may be over for me. And what happened was a lot of that shit went away. And I was like, oh, I'm not that funny. I don't have that many friends actually. Like, you know, it was a whole, I used to say this, like this, and people would laugh. Like the world changed. I could feel I didn't represent the same thing to people. And I, I recalibrated and was like, okay, I get it. These relationships are largely what they are. You know, they're not really authentically based on the, you know, me and this person.

1:16:52And that's okay. You don't need that many friends. You just need a few really good friends. And not every relationship is going to be really authentic close friendships. Some things are just like work relationships or whatever it may be. That helped me kind of get it, you know, and it was a really, it was just a really helpful moment. And I think sometimes people like in sports, you look at, you tend to have this, this career trajectory, like come in, it goes great. Everything's amazing. and like the last couple of years, okay, all right, now I'm going to retire. And then after that, like some guys I come across, you know more, maybe you can tell me if it's true or not, like have a hard time adjusting after that because they're like, wait a second, you know, this life is so different now.

1:17:30A hundred percent. That's legit. A lot of guys, you've got to try and find a career after sports while you're still doing it, man. But speaking of work relationships, we got some donuts. Yeah, baby. God, dude, that's the Super Bowl commercial was fucking legendary, dude. Yes. Thanks, dude. So good. That thick-ass Boston accent, that shit was fucking gold. If I go to Dunkin' and say, I want the Affleck, what's the order? Get the fuck out of here.

1:18:05No, my order is the iced coffee and a chocolate glazed donut, but, you know, I don't think they memorialized it as my order. You know what I mean? You know, but it was fun. It was like, the nice thing about that with Duncan was like, they let us and our company, our secretary became the ad agency and started building this commercial stuff. And now we kind of broadened it out to a couple of other brands as well. And they kind of were like, okay, you know, because my belief is like, you want to get the connection with whatever the culture or the person is like, and this is in theory, not having to be like, but let them have a voice in what they're creating.

1:18:39So like, let them participate. So, you know, when we had like Ice Spice or Kristen Wiig or Tom Brady, like, I only come at them with a script and lines. And I was like, you know what your fans want. You know what people connect to about you. Like, bring that to this thing. And people are so much more comfortable and better because they, like, lock people into some stupid line and posing with the product. And now people know that shit is just artificial. And it doesn't work. You know, so. Could not agree more. That's awesome, man. Excuse me, let us fuck around and act stupid. No, but you're right.

1:19:09It comes across so much more authentic. And like, even like, you know, when, when we've done advertisements, when, when you, as the person behind it and the face, a part of it, when you're actually contributing to like what the thing ends up being, it feels more real to you. So of course it's going to feel more real to the people watching. So that makes a lot of sense. It's your taste. Like that's important. At least whatever it is, like your persona, yourself, like that's the thing that, that means some people, they're connecting to you in that way. And like, you kind of want to be like, if you're not consistent with it, because brand is trying to voice something on you, people vibe it.

1:19:42They're like, that's not why I like this guy or this woman. I don't, you know what I mean? And so it doesn't even work, but it's fun when you, when you get it right and you have a good time. Hell yeah. Fuck yeah. Well, it fucking killed it. And I'm not gonna lie. I'm fucking smacking some munchkins every time. They got those new blueberry ones. Or the blueberry. I didn't even know that. Those things are a fucking game changer. Kylie had a box from me. Kylie had a box from me the other week. And I was like, you know what? I've been on this diet. I've been trying to slim down, but I couldn't resist.

1:20:07I reached in there. I was like, I took a bite. I was like, they make you feel good about eating. I took a bite. I didn't even know that blueberry existed. I was like, what the, what the fuck is this? I just had my first one the other day. I was like, damn, this is fucking good. I knew all the shit that was, you know, they got that shit figured out. New discovery. They'll probably be like, it's been there for years. And I'm just a dumb ass. It hasn't had it. But anyways, exactly. Exactly. Me too. They're like, you make commercials. Didn't know about the blue, man. Hey, Ben, thank you so much for joining us, man.

1:20:39This has been awesome. I know you got stuff to do. It's such a pleasure, man. I'm such a big fan. You guys are the best, and it's really a pleasure. And honor is so much fun. Like, I can't tell you much. I'd rather be, like, hanging out and talking with you guys than, you know, kind of just doing the same old thing. This is great. Dude, man. Awesome, man. Thank you so much. Let's do it again when you have another one that's hitting theaters, man. We got so many more questions. We don't even have to do it on camera. It was just fun to chop it up with you, man. I give better answers. off.

1:21:07You're the man, dog. Ladies and gentlemen, Ben Affleck! Thank you, fellas. Thank you. I'm out. Later. Ben Affleck, dude. What a legend, man. You ain't lying. I mean, I've always been a fan of him as an actor, but then you get to talk to the guy. You get to see how driven he is. You can tell just talking to him how much he cares about just everything he does, how much he's always trying to figure out how other people have success. It was just an all-time combo. And his mind works so much faster than mine. Yeah. His neurons are fucking connecting. No, they're firing. They're firing quick. Dude is a special human being, man.

1:21:45That shit was awesome. Make sure you go check out Captain 2. It's a pretty damn good movie. You'll enjoy it. Yes, you will. All right, now let's get out of the house. Man, we haven't hit this segment in a while because Jason just had his fourth child. It was the first time he got out of the house in a long time. This is all true. Jason, how was it? What'd you do? Travis, I was with you. What are you talking about? We both went to... Oh, we're talking about that. Oh, yeah. Well, we headed over to one of my favorite golf tournaments of all time, the Justin Timberlake 8 a.m. golf tournament in Viva Las Vegas, where I just can't seem to lose.

1:22:23I just never lose in Vegas, man. There's something about Las Vegas. It's just, you know, it's kind of where I feel at home. It's been good to you? Especially at the win. Especially at the win. More so at the win than anywhere else. And oh my gosh, look at those jugs. You gotta show that. Wow, I didn't know. I didn't know that's what it looked like. Oh my God. Oh. It's a solid C cup. D's maybe.

1:23:02is my nipples are my nipples hard why are my nipples hard dude oh my goodness oh my gosh dude those are your nips in fairness i think it's a little cold those are just the thermostats working it was a little breezy that day that's why i said chino's got the sweater on dude you might need to go get some tit reduction dude no no no i'm a fan of them i've always oh man dude that is hilarious it's aggressive oh god damn that's just made my day what was your favorite part of the weekend jason my favorite part of the weekend i don't know i mean getting to hang out my brother a bunch of awesome people no it was a fun event i mean listen you're at the win in las vegas at like this unbelievable golf course playing with a bunch of the coolest people on the planet.

1:23:55It was freaking awesome. And we got to meet Justin Timberlake among a million other people that were there to all be together and have a good time. And it was just it was done right. I always love going to these golf outings. We're 8 a.m. in particular for this outing. The people at the Tahoe outing, they just do such a great job at organizing it, getting everything set up. It was just really well run combined with great people. So, yeah, I had a blast. Dude, so much fun. You got thrown into a group with two of my favorite human beings on the face of this earth, Taylor Parsons and Blake Griffin.

1:24:36And I was with another one of my favorite people on this earth, Andrew Santino. And I'm not going to lie, man, Santino was – he's a stick. Dude, he's good. I haven't seen him play this good in a while, man. There was a few shots where he was just absolutely dialed in. He was sinking putts. It's fun to watch. Dude, he was sinking putts. I was not sinking putts. Me, Blake, and Chandler had great vibes. I was really struggling. My first putt, I think, was like a 10-foot putt that I putt legitimately five feet. To the point that everyone audibly laughed behind me. Like somebody legitimately said, that can't be serious.

1:25:19It was straight from Happy Gilmore. I hit it, and I was like, oh, no. that thing is going nowhere and it doesn't help it out that you have that putter what are you talking about it's a scotty cameron freaking it's a like it's the best putter on the planet i'm not trying to hear this that putter is from the beginning of golf okay that's how you know it's good it's made it's survived for a very long time it's a great it's survived why just because nobody lost it no people have been playing it and it's a putter that's stood the test of time It's a classic. Yeah, it'll only get you halfway to the hole, though.

1:25:56Well, that's if you're a jamoke like myself and you didn't practice any putts before the hooky high round. There you go. One of my favorite experiences from the weekend is always the karaoke night. They always do a great job of getting everybody to go up on stage and sing a great tune. And we all know your karaoke song. Yeah, we didn't execute it as well as I thought we were going to.

1:26:28turn around it was tough on stage hearing the audio and the words weren't synced up as perfectly as i thought this is after also after a full day of uh garage beer on the course so it was not the best performance but it was an a for effort and entertainment value listen the first like probably like 10 to 15, maybe even 20 seconds was, you guys were the most entertaining crew up there. And then out of nowhere, it was just like a scream off of you. And the other two just absolutely trying to like get the wheels back on the track. We tried. Yeah, Lee, that was absolutely hilarious. Shout out to JT.

1:27:13Shout out to Jessica. Shout out to everybody over at 8 a.m. and the win is one of my favorites, if not my favorite casino out there, man. They always do it right and hook it up during the 8 a.m. And that's one of my favorite golf courses out there. Let's get on to one of our favorite segments each week, and that is No Dumb Questions. No Dumb Questions is brought to you by Perplexity. For those of you that don't know, that is an AI search engine we will use occasionally to help us answer some of these No Dumb Questions or questions that arise from the No Dumb questions or any type of questions we have during the show.

1:27:47The entire internet has been debating a no-dumb question and we have been asked to weigh in. From at BDFGHKLNPQUVWXY. This is a bot. This is a bot. At Brandon Borders, at Jake Chatsky, I'm going to need Jason Kelsey and Travis's opinion on this. He quote tweeted, I think 100 guys could beat one gorilla. Everybody just got to be dedicated to the shit. Shout out to Dream Chasing Mike. We got to answer some questions first. Are we allowed to use tools? Because I could beat a gorilla by myself. I got the biggest gun. Be over real quick, right? So I think we're talking about hand-to-hand combat, I'm guessing.

1:28:33Yeah, I think we're just talking hand-to-hand. Gorilla don't scare me if I got a big-ass Magnum fucking whatever. But what are we talking here?

1:28:46Do we, do we, are we talking like, what's a win? Is a win like death? Yeah. You're fighting to the death. That's what a win is when you're fighting a gorilla. How do you, how do you kill it? That's what I'm saying. How do you kill a gorilla? You're going to need a tool. You can't kill a gorilla in your hands. I don't know. You choke it out. I mean, it's going to be tough. Yeah. That's going to be a tough sell right there. I think a hundred guys could do it because the gorilla would get tired, but he's going to go through about 98 of them. Somebody's getting fucked up. Yeah. And I don't know if I want to, that's why he's saying, I think a hundred guys would be one gorilla.

1:29:24Everybody just got to be dedicated to the shit. The shit is you're going to get fucked up. If you're one of the first people to go at this gorilla. I think one of the reasons these questions are terrible is because humans don't fight hand to hand. Even, I mean, you go back to looking at, you know, people back in the day, you're, everybody's using tools. I'm going to pick up a big-ass rock. I'm not going to go fight this gorilla with my hands. I'm going to let you distract him. I'm going to stand in the tree, and then when he's not looking, I'm going to drop a boulder on his head. We're not fighting fair.

1:29:51That's how human beings fight, right? If you're smart, if you want to survive. Now that's dedicated to the shits. I'm going to sharpen a stick and then poke that big motherfucker and not have to go and fight it with my hands, in which case it's going to be a lot less than 100 guys. It might be one guy if you've got the right tool. But, yeah, if you try and go fight a gorilla with your bare hands, you will die. I'm not fucking with that. Yeah, I mean, it's too strong. It's too powerful. I don't even know how you would kill it. How would you kill a gorilla? Dude, what? I don't know. No, you're not choking it out.

1:30:23You like try and hold it down? I just would like 20 people jump on it just to pin it down? But even that, I don't think that's going to work. Yeah, I think they're 20 times stronger than us. That's why it's a dumb question. Alrighty, that's no Dumb questions brought to you by perplexity. That wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you to Ben Affleck for joining us. Make sure you're subscribed on YouTube to the New Heights channel and follow New Heights on the Wondery app or wherever you watch podcasts. Special announcement, we will be back next week with a special Mother's Day episode.

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1:31:42When I'm confused about a name, I just try to go as fast as possible. I think everybody in their right mind says Affleck. Jake, put a poll up. Put a poll up. Put a poll up. Jake, just take it to the audience. Put a poll up. I've never heard one person in ordinary conversation. How often does Ben Affleck come up? Not often. Not often. But it's always Ben Affleck. Never Ben Affleck. Is that just like the Philly accent getting in there? No, it's just... You're overdoing it. You're overdoing it with the left. You're overdoing it. You're overdoing it. Ben Affleck. Ben Affleck. You're either saying Affleck or Affleck.

1:32:15Affleck is an A. It's the same. You're saying the same. Affleck. You're saying like affect. No, I'm not. I'm saying it's either Affleck or Affleck. You added a T on all of those. I swear to God I heard a T. I definitely add T sometimes. And that's for sure wrong. Listen, if it wasn't for football, I'd be just like Ben Affleck in Goodwill Hunting. You know what I mean? I'd be just working the docs. What docs? There's a doctor. There's a construction. What docs? What docs are you? It's been a while since I've seen that movie. What are you, Danny Green? Working the fucking docs at Lake Erie? It's a major shipping hub, Travis.