The Taylor Swift Episode

44:54Don't you say that. Don't you dare say that. It's how I feel. And I don't even, it's not like I say that in a disparaging way. I, I, I don't care at all. Why do we, why do we take it that way? I don't know why we do it. Yeah, I'm like, I really, I'm not an athlete and that's fine. Like I play instruments. I take it that way because we're undefeated on the beer pong table. I've seen you throw a football. No, that's not good. And you know that's not good. It does. No. It does. You can. No. Spiral? Yes. You got to be real with me though. Because it's not, there's no spiral. I don't think I've ever caught anything that's ever been thrown to me, near me, around me.

45:32You're just disinterested in being an athlete. That's true. Can you hit something with a stick? That's a telltale sign of an athlete. Good with a stick. Yeah, no, I don't know, Jason. I've never tried that. I've never tried it. We've got to try this out now. We're going out back after this. Here's the thing. My relationship with sports was like, you know, I grew up in Pennsylvania. I always heard my dad yelling at the screen watching Eagles games. That was always the sports sounds that I heard in my house. However, I was up in my room playing guitar, learning instruments, playing piano. I was focused on different things.

46:04I was like so laser focused on music and that's how I was in school. Like I, I would go to sporting events so that I could sing the national anthem. Like everything was a means to an end to get me to get to do music. I've, I know every halftime show from the super bowls, but I don't, I didn't watch the sports. And so watching the airs tour and seeing that power skip, I knew you were an athlete from the, from the, from the power skip. You're just saying words. It's one of my favorite parts. Just telling lies. Just see you just skipping down that runway. just looking like a giraffe that's limbs were put on all right everybody can everybody can skip but not everybody can power skip that takes athleticism thank you i appreciate that what a unique compliment um so yeah i uh i i definitely became obsessed with sports when it came to him i'm competitive on his behalf but like if you and me are gonna go against each other in something athletic like i'm gonna let you win because this to me like i don't see why what do the points even mean if I'm doing it.

47:04I'm a fan of athletics and the sports. If I'm doing the sports, I'm throwing like this because I don't really care if it goes where it's supposed to go. It doesn't bother me. And when I don't make the catch, I'm not embarrassed. That's fine. She's a good teammate, so she'll give effort if it's individual sports. She's not going to care. But if she needs to be held accountable, If I'm on his team and we're playing beer pong or something, I'm really trying. You're a team sport. Because this matters to him. Right? Absolutely. I'm a team sports gal. Yeah. Put me on an Olympic one person trying to do some stuff sport.

47:42I'm doing this. Yeah. I don't care. I'm getting out of here. Yeah. I'm doing this. I care. Okay. I'm doing this. I care. This. I care a lot. We're doing this. We're kneading dough. I don't care. I don't care if this happens. I don't care if this goes here. It's not part of my metrics for my self-worth. That's probably very healthy, to be honest with you. Hey, you know? I was like, as long as you're fine with this. What? No, I'm completely fine with you being an athlete. Yeah. I'm not an athlete. I'm never going to be. I think you just missed the whole point. Yeah. What? Because he's what he wants to see, and it bodes well for me.

48:22Do you have a favorite thing from the Aeros Tour? I have a lot of favorite things from the Aeros Tour. I would look out, and I would see a lot of bonding happening between generations of people. Gosh, that's so true. It was really wonderful. It was like the most incredible feeling in the world because I can see all that. I've got LASIK. I have incredible vision. Basically, the Ares tour, I think one of my favorite things was when the fans would come up with their own traditions, right? Oh, that's so cool. Because I can plan a stage show that's like we know exactly what's happening, when it's going to happen.

48:56It's very stage managed. It's a whole production, right? And I love to plan. But I also do love surprises. Like there's a time during the European, like of the heiress tour, there's a song called Willow where we do a performance where we have these, it's a very like witchy performance. We have these like light up orbs and we're in cloaks and it's all very woo. And the fans decided that they were going to bring their own light up orbs. And by that, I mean balloons that they would blow up in the audience. Like, and then they would light their, they would use their phone light behind it and create a light up orb.

49:31when I tell you I looked out yeah or a glow stick whatever like they would figure out ways to illuminate them themselves and it was insane to look out and see spontaneously thousands of these orbs just go up it and I just be like I I don't even know who organized this yeah was there a group text how did you guys even do this it was so special yeah it felt like we were all part of something together in a way that couldn't be planned and there's as much as i love and relish in planning it was really fun that they would do things to sort of delight me every once in a while they had little chants they had all these traditions by the end of the tour it was like rocky horror picture show where they have their own they have their own show literally right it was i remember being in gelson gherkin germany and you know what what did you just say love is him learning that yeah that's our actual that's a city he came to gelson kirken if you say with a german accent it probably sounds more like the actual city but okay my american accent is gelson gerken gelson gerken and um i remember seeing that part of the show and they were literally doing circles and like putting the orbs up in the air and passing them to each other like they were performing.

50:50It was so beautiful. They were so committed. I've never, I've never played for crowds that were as committed. Yeah. Um, so I think I loved the event of it. Like I'm always, I'm always trying to figure out how to make music into more of an event, right? How do we make it romantic? How do we make it something that people experience together? And you know, that's why I love vinyl. That's why I love, um, you know, putting so much into the tour or a music video or events or activities for them to do or Easter eggs or little puzzles for them to solve. Like it's gotten to the point where it's just like, it's a little bit, people are like, the Easter eggs thing is getting a little Zodiac killer at this point.

51:32I'm like, as long as they like it, you know, how do you go about like knowing how to do an Easter egg? I don't even know. Like, where does that process start? Are you like, Well, I have some parameters. What is the art of the Easter egg? The art of the Easter egg is that there's do's and don'ts, right? Like I'm never going to plant an Easter egg that ties back to my personal life. It's always going to be towards music or a musical, something I'm coming up with, something I have coming up, a plan I have coming together. something that you don't know I'm saying for a specific reason that you'll hear later and you'll go back and be like oh my god like I think my favorite one of those was I um I was given a honorary doctorate from NYU and I I made the commencement speech and I put so many lyrical easter eggs in that speech that when the Midnight's album came out after that the fans were like the whole speech was an Easter egg.

52:39And that's for me, that's really fun because I, because they find it fun for sure. And I, and also just, I love numerology. I love math stuff. I love dates. I love certain, I just, that stuff like I find really fun. And you know, we, I want Easter eggs to be a certain thing where like, if you are a part of the fandom and you want to experience like music in a normal way, then you don't even see these. You don't even care what that thing is above that doorway under that dimly lit flickering light over there that's upside down backwards in Braille. You don't need to know what that is. I love this.

53:18Yeah. But if you want to look at that. But if you do. Then it's there. Do you know what I mean? If you know you know who knows, you know. Oh, yeah. what's then you know then you know let's talk about something i don't know what is numerology you threw that phrase out there like that's a comment what is numerology do you don't know what numerology is i'm assuming something with numbers yeah like i'm 87 and she's 13 yeah literally it's that simple just numbers and 100 yeah 13 plus 87 equals 100 that's numerology like what is numbers numbers that have a specific significance like yeah exactly like it's yeah do you not keep it 100 ever i'm trying to i'm i feel like attempt to it's crazy that you don't what numbers do i have you're submitting that like that kylie i don't know how to do this it's okay it's not for everyone my favorite number is 13 though it always has been travis i know and that's part of the numerology of why we're dating okay part of it if it okay it's been in my life right travis travis likes people that like the number 13 yeah i love it liking the number 13 say about us though it says that we're family in okay in trichidectophilia i think it is is the what the what obsession with no man it's every day dude this is that's a real thing you know what that means every day he knows trichidelphophilia so that's the obsession with specifically number 13 or something i'm sorry yeah triska deck triska dekaphobia is when you hate 13 triska dekaphilia is when you love it philia is love i um i don't know why i think it was like everybody else was afraid of number 13 so i'm like yeah that's phobia that's okay yeah you're just being contrarian which i love i love that about you all right you're just like you want to do this i'm gonna do this that's exactly how i sound

55:16oh jason let's get jason jason jason all right favorite favorite thing about the heiress tour was besides going to it and just being like this amazed at everything i think i was on another podcast recently just like all of the songs everything you just talked about where it changes so much right there's something new every 20 30 seconds it was incredible the non-stop length of it but i will i'm gonna be remissed if i don't say one of the things that i love is watching travis kelsey get on the stage the man in the tuxedo it was so good it was so special that was like we were like that came out because we were just doing we thought we were doing a bit like we both thought we were just joking because a lot of what we're saying is like inside of a bit and we're laughing the whole time.

56:05And every once in a while, one of us will be like, are you serious? Like, I could be. I could be serious. Are you serious? I was serious and in terrifying fashion. I was like, yeah. It was like a wouldn't it be funny if kind of thing. I would try not to fuck this up. It was so. No, the show's perfect. You don't want to fuck the show up, do you? But I knew you were going to be down for it. I knew you were, if you wanted to do it, like I was never going to pressure you to do it. But the fact that when, when we were talking about it, we were joking. I kind of got, I saw that little twinkle in your eye where I was like, oh, he wants to do it.

56:41He wants to do it. He wants to. You want me to go on stage? Yeah. You got up there. I mean, I'll do it. You were so good. Every single beat. His comedic timing is crazy. Like, and when the lights are bright, he's like, he like slows down time. Like that's when he. well no I just black out and hope that it ends out like perfect that's you said you and I are saying the same thing I did I honestly yeah yeah like I rose from that stage and I saw how many people are looking at you and I was just like blackout. You looked so good. It was so amazing. like it was it was one of the loudest if not the loudest screams i've ever heard on the tour it was insane it really was how many chav you played football in some of the biggest stadiums you've been in front people have been staring at your whole life what was that moment like there's nothing like this were you felt like an ant i felt like the smallest piece of life ever like that entire stadium the floor what are all these people doing on the field how are holy i didn't know this place felt like this oh my gosh what is going on i have to pick her up now um okay here we go don't drop her don't just don't drop her it's so funny that you were actually scared about that you could like throw me over a mountain and like climb the mountain and catch me on the other side like football players drop balls all the time this is not a hit oh my god it was so good it was it was London.

58:16It was Wembley Stadium. It was, those were such special shows. And we had just, wasn't this the week that I got to watch Jason meet the Royal family? It was, it was, yeah. I knew you were serious when I was like, Jason, do you want to go meet? And he was like, what do I do with my beer? Yeah. I watched him have this moment with his beer where he's just like, but I want to take it, but I know that I, I probably should not take it. That's right. I watched this happen and it was kind of the most amazing. I like that you picked up on it because that was exactly what was going to my head. If I don't have my beer, what do I do with this hand now?

58:51Is it disrespectful to have a beer when you need loyalty? Or am I just being authentic by having the beer? I would normally have the beer. Wouldn't they want me to be myself? I'm watching you say that in your head. And it was fantastic. I don't know. I'll always remember that. It's just like I'll always remember meeting you for the first time, Jason. Do we need to talk about that? That time I did hold on to my beer. You did. What was, I guess you brought it up. What was that first impression? Like what was, did you know I was told to be on my best behavior? I didn't know what you were told, but I did know that one of the first things I saw was like, you say to Kylie, I was just shotgunning beers with the bills mafia.

59:31And I really want to go through one of the fire tables. Yep. I want to jump through it. I want to jump onto the flaming table and she goes okay can we not do that right now yeah and since then I've heard her say that exact thing to your four-year-old about like mommy I want to throw this pudding on the wall wouldn't that be fun can we not do it right now that's a common phrase and so I meet you you're exactly as I thought you would be. Kylie is exactly as I thought she would be just like the realist, the smartest, the coolest. You're fantastic. Obviously, you know that. Um, and then I swear to God, Jason, you flew through the window at light speed.

1:00:23I've never seen someone so big move so fast. It's impressive. It's like, you know, when you see a cricket and it's here and And then it's gone. And it's 16 feet that way. You're like, did it just jump that way? How did it do that? And he surprisingly, he gets more athletic, the more drunk he gets. The more fierce. I mean, it's real. It was wild. I really should have played in the NFL drunk. I think it would have been better. You know what? Not no. At this point, I would never argue with that. And all of a sudden, like, you're out there in the snow. You're handing me children through the window.

1:00:53I was trying to. It's fully. Not my best moment. It was. And like, I think it actually was. and I'm like you want to see Taylor I got you let's go whose kid is that Jason don't know where this kid came from um yeah it was I think it was your best moment and I think I'm very lucky to have gotten to see it I love this like new world that Travis has shown me because I really it's so fun it's so exciting there's so much pressure on these players that I didn't I I kind of was like I've I've only ever been in music and been And like, you know, seeing that, but the pressure on sports is just such a different type that I have such a respect for everyone.

1:01:39Like everyone I meet on his team, like everyone I see doing this, I'm just like, you've been focused on this since you were a kid. And it shows. Well, and I'm sure there's a lot of relatability there. Anybody trying to be the best at what they do and dedicating their lives to it. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I've been so lucky because I never have gotten to see what the suite looks like when I play the game. Because they didn't have a camera on it. I never get to see my friends and family. So now whenever I make a play, I get to see what it actually looks like, how much fun they're having, what, you know, the type of support that I get and how crazy it gets.

1:02:15So the Vegas Super Bowl, there was a camera on the suite. And when Nicole scored that touchdown and to see everybody in that suite start jumping on each other. People are body slamming each other into other rooms. It was so violent. It's giving me the chills right now. Like everybody. I'm the luckiest guy in the world. That video. To get everybody going crazy. People went down. Like there were people punching each other. It was like absolute chaos. And like I have every memory of that. Like every memory of that moment is intact, but it's just like screaming and thrashing around and trying not to be taken down by this undertow of your friends going absolutely.

1:03:01I loved every bit of it. Oh, it was so insane. I mean, the suite that is the Travis Kelsey suite that has been happening. What was your first impression of that, of everybody in there? Who's the MVP of the suite? Who's the MVP of the suite? Okay, so he's got, which is an incredible, like a huge green flag, is that Travis has had the same friends since he's probably four years old. Yes, literally. And he's incredibly good at maintaining friendships, and he's so loyal, and his friends are equally loyal. They're just the funniest, most hilarious group of people. Yeah, and you want to talk about green flags.

1:03:37The first game she went to, the Bears game, she literally went through the front door of the stadium. Yeah, we walked right in. Just right in, like general admission? through general admission through with the everybody on the bus to the game oh my gosh i was just like oh she's just in it she's down she's down for the ride she's here for she's here for the fun she's like i'll fucking go i'll go through the mud i'll be a part of chief's kingdom like if this is where we walk in this is where we walk in i don't know what to tell you i don't have an alternative i'm like you know we just played here three months ago yeah and we went a different way but i'm not gonna say that i'm not gonna backseat drive this shit what was that like what were people doing i remember using like ross was like ross is so tall and so and so broad that it's like that that helps a lot and then just you have a lot of other just like big bulky dudes that you're friends with green flag not threatened by other guys i was walking in with i had a hat on and i had a mask on and i'm walking in just in the front We're walking in with thousands of people in Arrowhead and nobody noticed.

1:04:48Oh my gosh. There were rumors that we had been seeing each other, but I think people were like, what would they talk about? I hinted on the Pat McAfee show that I was going to see if you would be willing to come see me rock the stage at Arrowhead. Since I've seen you make the stadium so much. Nobody was like, oh, yeah, we're definitely going to see her there, and we're going to see her coming in through general admission. No way this guy landed her. No chance. No chance that whole podcast thing worked. I didn't believe it when you told me. You manifested it. I did, yes. You summoned me. Here I am.

1:05:24Andy Reid has recently revealed that he was the one who set you guys up. How true is this revelation by Big Red? Whatever Andy Reid says, we're going to stand by. We're not going to refute anything. He says it. Cupid. That's what happened. Big red. It's all the same. That's what happened. He's been friends with my dad. My dad is the most social man who's ever been born. Shout out to Scott. I was about to say, who's not friends with Scott? He's just a maniac. He will make a friend in an airport in 1971, have a five-minute conversation, and still be talking to that dude twice a week now. But he's like that with everyone he meets.

1:06:02He's able to have very many, very meaningful relationships. And it's a skill. It's a talent. It is. It is a mind-boggling talent that I have only known him to have. Yeah. Yeah. He's a savant. It is impressive. He's a savant. Social savant, my dad. And so he knows Andy. And Andy's been coming to shows for years and stuff like that. So I've always had a really positive vibe about Andy Reid. I didn't really know what the sports were that he was doing, but I knew that that was my dad's friend, Andy Reid. You knew he was really good. I now know he is literally the most iconic, legendary coach of all time.

1:06:41And from the way that you talk about him, his leadership style is so – I respect it so much because I feel like it's done without aggression or raising your voice or losing your composure. It's all very composed and focused. It can happen. It will rip you apart for sure. You got to be really – Like, not running the plays, he's calling them. Yeah, but that's the thing. It's like, but it's not done. It's not overdone, right? Like, if you get it from him, you know you deserve it and you're going to shape up. That's what I heard from him. Exactly. Yeah, there's validity to it. There's, like, there's such a genuine, like, want to get better that him getting you to, like, do it the right way is, like, a disciplinary thing.

1:07:26It's just like he wouldn't be doing it unless he saw the greatness in you or he saw your ability to get it right. And he wouldn't be doing it this way if there was any other way, if that makes sense. It does. There's a lot of heart. Yeah, there's a stoicism too, which makes the heart when he shows it to you. And I think this is what you're kind of saying, Taylor. He's so composed and so locked in. and then all of a sudden when he does show that little bit of like warmth it's like oh here's the teddy bear i see him yeah he's funny he's cheeky yeah and then but it's like everything has a reason like everything is every everything is very like intentional he's like i feel like he like coaches and lives in a very intentional way which i think is really awesome and it's just like a great leadership style yeah there's a layer of trust and there's a layer of like discipline where you you're gonna have some fun playing with form but you're gonna know when you gotta flip that switch to be serious and be on point and, and do it his way.

1:08:23He says it all the time. He's got 51%. I was like, yeah, all right. Whatever you say, boss. I always feel like when you lose your shit, you lose your leadership, you know, for sure. It's just kind of something I've always kind of tried to administer what I'm doing, but he's a, he's a huge role model for that is how he motivates people and how he does so without flying off the handle and is just very focused on what the right thing is at the right moment. You know? Yep. So what, so did Andy tell Scott something? Is that what I'm trying to, what did Andy say to Scott? I mean, okay. So when you guys did the full send on the podcast, and he was like, you want to date me?

1:09:04And everybody heard it. It was the shooting your shot heard around the world. Yes. Basically everyone who likes you, which is a lot of people started reaching out to everyone who knows me. there we go I think it was like Andy was vouching for you I think it was my my relatives my cousins were like please please please he's amazing there were there were friends that were like he's actually an amazing guy like he's so great it would there was a lot of kind of people whispering in my ear about you and I actually that's not normal yeah it's not normal there are people just willing to go to bat for you and be like, you don't understand this guy's incredible.

1:09:44Well, Andy, well done. Yeah. Thank you, Andy. And Scott, thank you. There we go, Scott. Speaking of which, how's Scott doing? He's doing good. So he is doing incredibly well. My dad had an interesting summer. He actually had a quintuple bypass surgery and that's a really intense surgery. Yeah. So it all happened really quick. He went in. I know he would want me to say this because he really like, he learned a lot through this process. He's had a healthy, perfect EKG every year that he's gone in to get his physicals. Perfect EKG. But what, what found his five hard blockages in his heart was, um, arresting stress test.

1:10:26So he's been telling all his friends, you need to get the stress test because that's, what's actually preventative. If you can find that earlier, you don't have to have a bypass surgery. You can, you can sort out those blockages with stents and things that are a lot less invasive so he finds out that he's got these blockages they're like this is we got to do this like tomorrow yeah you you you shouldn't like we don't know how you walked in here dude this is crazy um so he was of course saying to our family he was like you guys are busy i don't want you guys to have to like come in here like you and austin are busy like just don't you don't have to do this like don't come the brave dad the strong dad that's right he said something about like when a cat is injured it curls up around a tree and heals itself i was like dad cats don't have quintuple bypass he tried to relate you're just saying stuff now that doesn't mean anything to me and so i was like okay i'm not gonna come there yeah all right like uh so he wakes up from surgery and it's it's my mom my brother and me and his best friend and he comes out of surgery and he was he did like a comedy act a comedy set for like 15 minutes he was the funniest he's ever been and he's usually funny but he's like he we didn't know how many blockages he had and i was like dad you had a quintuple bypass you had five that's crazy it's more than we thought and he's like well you see i come from a very competitive family.

1:11:54And it was kind of wild because it was like, it was very parent child reversal in a lot of ways. Like my brother and my mom and I were each taking shifts in the ICU and staying with them 24 seven. And I remember when I was a teenager, my parents would always, the big fight we always had is I'd sneak my cell phone into my room and be talking to my best friend Abigail under the covers all night. And they'd be like, you have a test tomorrow. You need to rest. we're taking your phone whatever yeah i'd get to the hospital my my brother will have done the night shift and he's like he's like hey you got to take his phone i caught him facetiming his friends all night he needs his rest he needs to be sleeping he's facetiming all night it's like one of the main things you need is you need that that your body to just like yeah cover and i'm like i'm not taking his phone he'll get mad he's like i'm not taking his phone you got to be the one to take his phone i'm like i'm not doing it my mom's like i don't want to do it my mom so we're just like, it's like, we've got like our teen, we've got to take our teenage son's phone away from him.

1:12:49Cause he's FaceTiming all night. He came out of surgery, tried to give guitar picks to all the nurses and doctors, but he wasn't wearing pants, didn't have pockets, hospital gown. You know, I'm like, I'm having these moments where I'm like, this dude built play sets and swing sets and, and cribs for me. I'm building his, like, I'm building his shower chair and his walker and his like bed that goes like this like it's just surreal man and you're like you know we just all moved in with him for the whole summer pretty much and just you know because you can't you can't really walk on your own he had a little harness for for my dad just like walking dad on his harness and he was like the loveliest patient ever he just kept saying thank you over and over again so guy was full of life man yeah he was appreciative that he that he caught it he still is yeah you know it we had we had the face time with them last time we were together and i was like yeah he hasn't changed a bit this guy's still freaking got the energy going yeah yeah uh yeah my so like tribe was hanging with him the other day and he was like so uh sweetie uh he says he's at 75 and if this is 75 i'm truly terrified

1:14:04to give you the update i'm probably at 85 to 90 now so we still got a month though yeah so my dad's like my dad's like new arteries new me my mom my mom who's got a new knee there we go new knees she's doing great she's she's scampering around we're not quite at scampering yet but she's doing great she's definitely moving around yeah this was just like the summer of my parental upgrades like we're just upgrading the parents making sure that they live to be at least 186 years old huge because they're two of my best friends and i i just adore them and it was actually one of the most special things that's ever happened to me like spending all that time with them this summer and and getting to like you you have those long talks that you don't have when it's like a small concentrated period of time this is this is when i learned to do the sourdough right my my parents friend tina sends over a local shout out tina tina i love you uh sends over like the best loaf of bread i've ever had in my life to call it bread feels really honestly sort of like it's sort of like minimizing what this was right so i'm like i need to know what i need to know how to do this i go over tina's house she teaches me how to do it she gives me some of her starter life is never the same all these things are happening in florida travis is doing his training he's like look at him in florida look at it look at him and he's so fast he jumped so high um so this is our florida summer that's what it is it's a hell of a drug uh we We really Florida'd it up.

1:15:38Florida. Yeah, no doubt. All right. How many people have come up to you guys and talking about or spoken about how much they've appreciated you being a part of the Chiefs and like their daughters all of a sudden being in the sports? Because I get it all the time. I can't imagine how much you guys get it. How much the game has grown. It definitely feels like a lot of people say that to us, which is really kind because there was never a thought in either of our heads that that was going to be a fun fact. I had no idea. That was, yeah, that was a pleasant surprise. Seeing all the little girls in the stands at games and you could see a proud father right there standing next to him.

1:16:16It's definitely been fun to see that, like, surprise. You know, I think a lot of like a lot of the the women and girls, maybe they maybe they like watched one game to see me cheer on my boyfriend or whatever. But if they if they stayed, which is what people are saying based on the numbers, that's because the game is so great. And it's such an amazing, interesting thing to learn about. I will say it was cool to see the comparison of it all because the way she runs her tour, her show, her team and everything like that is very team friendly. There are similarities in terms of her athleticism, what she's doing for three hours.

1:16:59I was screaming for 40 seconds during the intro and I'm out of breath. That's what I'm saying. But the preparation it takes to get there. I got a whole regimen for you. We'll get you on the tour prep. It'll be great. Perfect. The goals that you set for yourself to achieve. There are some similarities that I thought you found fascinating that you have that same regimen going into stuff. I thought that was fun for me to at least see when I saw you on tour and saw how much of a team you guys were. On paper, we actually have a very similar job. Like our job is to entertain people for three plus hours in NFL stadiums.

1:17:39And it's like, when I'm there, it's called a dressing room. When Travis is there, it's called a locker room. For me, it's called a rehearsal for him. It's called a practice for him. It's called his coach. For me, it's my mom. Yeah. So, yeah. So there'll be times for like game, game versus show. Right. I'll be like, baby, how was the show game game? How was the rehearsal? The practice. You know, field, stage. They're the same thing. We just call them different things. Yes, exactly. It was cool to see the comparisons and how it kind of, I don't know, both aligned. And how hard she works in the gym.

1:18:15We've been to the gym numerous times, and she works harder than me every time. That's not true. That's crazy. You can squat lift a car. He's just saying words. That's just genetic. He's just saying words. That's one rep. That's one rep. This is what people forget. I can stretch more. That's what I can do more. Yeah. I've heard about the – we've talked about the treadmill walk-in while you're doing the whole show and, like, all of that. We can't walk for four hours, Kevin. When's the last time you walked for four hours, Travis? I've never even tried that. I'm not stupid enough to try something like that.

1:18:47Are you kidding me? My knees would be shredded. Oh, my God. So one of the other things that's been crazy to witness is just the immediate attention, right? Like, I think you play in the NFL, you think – On the two of us? Let me, yeah, yes. Okay. The media attention on your guys' relationship, on the amount of people that talk about it constantly, the theories that are out there, of which I am probably way too invested in. What, how do you guys handle all of the noise and chatter about everything that's going on in both of your lives? We don't really. I don't see a lot of things. I'm of the firm belief that like, you know, if you're basing your kind of if you're getting your feedback from the internet or from comments and stuff like i just really think that like anything you put anything you feed your brain it will internalize anything you feed the internet it will kill yeah i've been i've been in the music industry for 20 years it's pretty hard to hurt my feelings at this point she's a pro and it took me a little while to be a pro about it i think i think initially and there's still some like wacko theories from the beginning that I was very like, Oh no, like, how is she handling this?

1:20:03I don't like the last thing I wanted to do is screw this up. So I'm like, in my mind is like her being so calm, cool, collected. And so just real and understanding about everything that's going on, um, really made me grow up real fast in that, in that aspect of things. But also I think the fact that you genuinely find a lot of online discourse to be truly hilarious, absolutely and that changes things for me because discourse and truth you know find the humor in it find the humor if he's seeing things and he thinks it's funny and it doesn't even affect his day at all like that's really completely bled into the way that i metabolize these things it's at a point where like i can something can be about me like my name can be in the actual headline and it can still be none of my business.

1:20:54People can be out here. People might be out here doing too much. Just shaking ass. Doesn't mean I have to do a damn thing. Yeah. We live in such a social media moment where a lot of people's identities and they get their feedback from that, right? Like, and I'm a real constructive criticism guy. Like give me constructive criticism all day. I will take it. Coach me up. It'll fuel me. I mean, it's helpful. Right. But I have so many like friends or acquaintances or people were like, they'll see one comment they don't like. Right. And it will ruin their day. It'll ruin their night. Like, and I just want to say to them, like, you should, you should think of your energy as if it's expensive, as if it's like a luxury item.

1:21:36Not everyone can afford it. Like not everyone has invested in you in order to be able to have the capital for you to care about this. right because like what you spend your energy on that's the day and it's so true right like it doesn't matter where you were like maybe you went to go get coffee today maybe you saw friends today if you were obsessing over one thing that you saw like you literally like saw some guy call you mid and this and you can't stop thinking about it dude that's the day then that's the night then And so I just, I've been able to sort of mediate a really healthy relationship with not seeing a whole lot.

1:22:17To what you just said, too, social media expounds all this because everybody knows if they say one thing, but all of a sudden if they put Taylor Swift attached to it, it's going to get a thousand more retweets and likes and hate comments or love comments or whatever. It's going to stir up tons of controversy. Totally. And I get this way all the time where I just recently went into the facility with Cam Juergens and something was happening in the social media world that I was like, why are people upset at this person? This is bullshit, yada, yada. And Cam just hit me with like, are they really though?

1:22:52Or did just one person say something? Because I used to get the same way where I'd get upset. And then it took me like, actually, nobody really gives a shit about this. Jason's early Twitter years. Oh, baby. Oh, my God. Oh, baby. He had to get off. He had to literally step away. It hit me right between the eyes. Because he would respond. I wouldn't say everybody, but he wasn't shy of letting people know how he felt on Twitter. Oh, yeah. Based off of their comments. It was honestly Philadelphia. You guys know this. It was a treat. And it's become a treat again now that he's back on because you'll have a friendly conversation.

1:23:27Well, Twitter used to be like a different thing, right? You remember Twitter. You're like, I fed a squirrel, ate a piece of bread. I didn't know they ate bread like that and straight smashed it. Now that there's autocorrect, I need to get back on Twitter. That's what Twitter used to be, right? I'm like, I need a pair of scissors to open these scissors. We're just thinking things, right? It's like a different thing now. And it's kind of about like information is power, I guess, unless all of your information is geared towards you thinking that everything is about you. Because, you know, not everyone is ever thinking about one person all the time.

1:24:04At any point, it's just like if your algorithm is giving you either criticisms of yourself or adulation or praise, it's you're creating an ecosystem in which you're the centerpiece of the table. And I just don't think that's healthy. Like, that's not the way I want to move through the world. So I do detach from the Internet in a huge way. Like, I'm just not I have never I have had my comments disabled on Instagram for like 10 years now. Yeah. and I don't miss it I found that out after the Ares tour comments were going to be the first way dude the problem is I get so mad I then go and look at all the other comments and then Twitter just feeds me more dude you're on like Reddit boom boom boom yeah whereas I'm like I don't know what this is but get it out of my office it's on fire my business is making music and taking care of my fans And I have ways of monitoring what they want from me and how best to entertain them, which is my job.

1:25:09And everything else, I'm just sort of like, it's not my business. I have actual business that I need to run. Can you imagine if we just talked about what people said about our relationship? Because if we talked about that, that would be all we talked about because there's so much chatter. It's like we're busy having an actual relationship. I want to hear sourdough bread puns. Yeah. And you will. And that's a promise. All right. Let's get to the part of this show that I think is what everybody is going to be talking about. Do I get to say it? Do I get to say the two words? Yes. Well, I think we were going to try.

1:25:52First of all, you can do whatever you want, Taylor. I don't want to get over to you. This is very much whatever. I want to work within the framework of the podcast. I'm a fan of the podcast. Typically, we would allow the guest to say new news. Yeah, yeah. I want to do it. But with Zach Brown, we had another bit that we did. I don't know if you saw. I don't know if we can get back to this. I forgot everything that Zach taught me already. All right. Let's just let the expert take care of this. Okay. I just wanted to scream it. Taylor, go. Just Travis style. Do you want me to start it or echo it?

1:26:22I think Taylor has a little bit of new news. New news. Yay. She's a natural. She's a natural. It was as fun as I thought it was going to be. Oh, it was everything. It was everything and more. We did talk about Easter eggs earlier. Yeah. And at the very last Ares Tour, you didn't take the lift. You did not. You went upstage and exited through an orange door. Why did you change the ending? So that's, I'm happy you mentioned that. I was about to say, Jason. Did you see that fans, did you see that the fans noticed this? Because I was pretty proud of them for noticing that. I was surfing the internet and saw something.

1:27:02Yeah, so I was pretty happy that they noticed that. I was like, trained them well. So basically every night of the Airs tour. They know everything happens with a reason. Taylor's a planner. She's not just a random orange door. Just eggs everywhere. What's happening there? Why and why? Anyway, so I would leave the stage every night going down the elevator lift. That's how every single Airs show ended except for one, except for the last one where I exited through a door, an orange door to be specific. And that actually was an Easter egg. Basically the reason why I chose to exit that way is because I kind of wanted to give a little subliminal hint to the fans that I may be leaving the era's tour era, but I was also entering a new era.

1:27:52new era. So I wanted to show you something. Okay. What do we got? We got a briefcase. Yep. Mint green with TS on it. Yep. What's in it? This is my brand new album. Oh!

1:28:15We got TS-12, baby. This is my brand new album. It's called The Life of a Showgirl. Love it. It was something that I was working on while I was in Europe on the Ares tour. So while you were on tour. I was working. I would be on tour. How on earth did she do this on the tour is still blowing my mind. I just love it. I just love it a lot. I love music. I would be playing shows. I'd do like three shows in a row. I'd have three days off. I'd fly to Sweden, go back to the tour, and actually working on this, I was physically exhausted at this point in the tour, but I was so mentally stimulated and so excited to be creating.

1:28:54And this is. And literally living the life of a showgirl. I was. While she wrote it. That's why I said, that's why I called it that. Nailed it. So do you want to see the back cover? I would love to see all of it. The back cover is where we find the 12 tracks for my 12. 12 tracks. Bangers. Okay. So we got. What are they? So we got track one, The Fate of Ophelia. Okay. Track two. Go ahead. I was going to say, do you know what Fate of Ophelia is? Do you want to talk about Hamlet? Hamlet? I don't want to get Jason all riled up. We can just go through the track. Okay. Yeah. Track two, Elizabeth Taylor.

1:29:36Okay. You know who Elizabeth Taylor is? You better. I'm just kind of following. Just kind of following along. Okay. All right. All right. Track three, Opalite. Opalite. You know what Opalite is, Jason? Can we stop asking me? Okay, I'm done. I'm asking Jason things. He's like, I hate this. I know a lot about this album and I'm excited. Track four, Father Figure. Father Figure? Track five, Eldest Daughter. Track six, Ruin the Friendship. Track seven, Actually Romantic. Actually Romantic? Track eight, wish list with two dollar signs as the S's. Just let me point that out. There you go. Flourish. Track nine, wood.

1:30:24Wood. Nice. Track ten, canceled, but it's in all caps with an exclamation point at the end. That's a bagger. Track eleven, honey. Honey. And can you do a drum roll? last track track 12 the title track the life of a show girl featuring sabrina carpenter

1:30:54that's awesome so that's that yes yeah and so that is a showgirl we got this orange vine it's Yeah, it is. And sparkly. Entering a new era. Look how sparkly. It's very nice. So what is the significance of the color orange? Why orange? I've just always liked it, Jason. It really feels like... I don't know. It feels like kind of energetically how my life has felt. And this album is about what was going on behind the scenes in my inner life during this tour, which was so exuberant and electric and, and vibrant. And, you know, one of the things about this record is like, it's a, it's a record I made with my mentor, Max Martin and shell back.

1:31:43And this, the three of us have made some of my favorite songs that I've ever done before. Which ones, if you don't mind me asking. Well, they were my main collaborators on the red album. We did, we are never getting back together. I knew you were trouble 22, to Shake It Off, Blank Space, Style, Wildest Dreams. Oh, hell yes. Ready for it. So that's the energy we're going with. Yes, I understand why it's orange now. Okay. So, yeah, we've made songs that I'm so proud of. There's going to be some fucking bangers. Yes, I'm picking it up. Yeah, it's like that. I'm telling you, it's 12. It's like that.

1:32:17And so basically, we've never actually made an album before where it's just the three of us. There's no other collaborators. It's just the three of us making a focused album where, I mean, it felt like it felt like catching lightning in a bottle. Honestly, we hadn't worked together in like seven or eight years. And this feeds this feeds. They're just they're just something. There's something about these guys. They like they're just geniuses in in different avenues, in different ways. And we kind of I'm going to put it down. i've just travis i've never like this today's the first day i've seen it do you know what i mean i'm just like uh so travis is just gonna cradle it the whole time don't drop the baby i will not so it's like uh working with them again was absolutely incredible and actually when i was on tour in stockholm i had max martin come out to the show and i was talking to him and i was like i i just feel like i feel like we could just knock it out of the park if we went back in and we did this all in Sweden and it was just us three like I want to I essentially said to him I want to be as proud of it of an album as I am of the Aeros tour and for the same reasons you know and and he was like do you understand what kind of pressure that is yeah that is okay I was like yeah why would you get we can try let's see your entire career got it yeah we can do that in one album let's do it well okay so it's like you know i i spent time in the time that we were off doing different projects and he and shellback were doing different things and i was making albums that were a little bit more esoteric like folklore so hard she says these big words you know what esoteric means i know it's for specific following exactly exactly what he knows what that means he doesn't He doesn't know what these words mean, but he knows what they mean.

1:34:10Solitaire means for a specific following, like a specific genre of people. He knows what it means. Okay. He does like a pretty, I don't know what it means thing, but he knows all the words and he knows what they mean. I don't know. And he may not have read Hamlet, but I explained it to him. Okay. There we go. Don't tell my middle school English teacher I didn't read Hamlet.

1:34:31Because I definitely was supposed to. Spark notes. It's all right. I watched the live thing. See, he knows what Hamlet is. Wait, Lion King is based off of Hamlet? Yes. Jason, your Reddit searches need to be more focused on relevant things. We need your relationship with the internet to be like a little bit purer. I got the algorithm. I got the algorithm. I'll send you it. My relationship with the internet is bad. It's not as bad as you can get. Yeah. Sorry. No, you're fine. So I was like, I made a few records that were a bit more like specific in their sound or whatever, like folklore, evermore.

1:35:13Those were a little bit more like alt folk kind of leaning and just kind of exploring and trying to challenge myself as a writer. And I feel like both Max and Shelbach did that too in their own ways going out into the world. And by the time we came back together, I feel like we had so much more dexterity to what we do. And it's almost like we'd all grown up so much. Like Shelbach and I were both in our early 20s when we started working together, the three of us. And so it was very much like we were the ingenues and Max was the mentor. And this was the time where it felt like all three of us in the room were carrying the same weight as creators.

1:35:47And it was really special. It like meant the world to me to have this creative experience where like we knew that we had to bring the best ideas we've ever had. Yeah. And I know I also know the pressure I'm putting on this record by saying that, but I don't care because I love it that much. And I'm so proud of it. And it just comes from like the most. Infectiously joyful, wild, dramatic place I was in in my life. and so that effervescence has come through on this record and like as you said bangers and and we were just like there's no other songs coming it's not like like with torture poets department i was like here's a data dump of everything i've thought felt in two or three years here's 31 songs this is 12 there's not a 13th there's not a fourth there's not other ones coming this is the record i've been wanting to make for a very long time i love it i love this so much.

1:36:46Where do we start? I don't know where to start. You gave us a lot of information right there. I know. We didn't tell Jason that we were doing this. I just said, can I go on the podcast because Brad Pitt did it and I want to do it too. Jason was like, yes, I mean, we can make that happen. The request or the ask from either one of us was never going to come. I don't know why I would never ask you. I don't know. Brandon still hates me because I never asked you, but I think this is way better. We waited until I had some stuff to say, I think. There we go. I was waiting until I had a sparkly briefcase to bring.

1:37:21I needed props. It took a long time to put that into production. Well, it is finished. And do you want to tell everybody when it's coming out? It comes out October 3rd. October 3rd. This album comes out October 3rd. It's easy to remember. It's 10-3. 10-3. Still annoying. It is also your birthday week. We got Wyatt October 2nd. We got you October 5th. And then we got mom October 9th. So this is a good, this is a good month. Yeah. I picked a good month. It's going to be a good week. You know, all these Libras. 10, three, 13, the Opal birthstone. I'm picking up this numerology. There we go. There we go.

1:38:00Yep. See, I knew you. Never not annoying. Always going to, always going to try to force a 13 into the situation. And this one was right there. It was just right there for the photos. There are a lot more photos in this, and there's a poem in this. And basically, I love the photography so much that I don't want to show it right now because I want to keep some mystery going. I love it. Because that's just fun to have things to still discover. But the photos are done by Merton Marcus, who are two of my favorite photographers. The only time I worked with them for an album cover shoot was with Reputation, with that album.

1:38:38And I loved what they did with those photos. So I called them up for this one. And I'm so happy with the way that the photos came out for this one. And it just basically was like, I was so proud of the music and so excited about this project from a creative standpoint that I was just like, all hands on deck. We're going all out. This is a full send. Like, I care about this record more than I can even overstate. It's so much fun. I mean, I understand what she's saying. Obviously, I've been fortunate enough to hear every single song on here. so I know they're all 12 bangers. It's a lot more upbeat and it's a lot more like fun, pop, like excitement.

1:39:18And I think that's a completely like, I think it's a complete 180 from a lot of the songs on Torture Poets for sure. Oh yeah. And it's just - Life is more upbeat. Well, that's what I was about to say. It probably, do you find that your albums mimic everything that's happening in your personal life? Yeah, definitely. Your genres that you've done are like so wide spanning between like country pop uh and then like it can get i don't even know torture poets it was like so cathartic it felt like for you probably to write those songs and release all that definitely and it was like i have different goals with different albums um and torture poets department my goals were strictly lyrical like i and i i felt like every song was a poem oh yeah and i love that album so much from that perspective that was strictly what I was trying to accomplish there was just really a full catharsis.

1:40:13And I loved to embrace the mess of, of writing from that perspective of the rawness of that. This, I have a totally different set of goals. Um, I always try to do something completely different if that's what I'm feeling at the moment. And I was feeling a complete pivot, um, at this point in time. And I wanted the album to feel the way my life felt. And this completely matches the way that my life has felt. And I also wanted it to be just every single song is on this album for hundreds of reasons. You know, and you couldn't take one out and it'd be the same album. You couldn't add one and it'd be, it's just right.

1:40:56And that focus and that kind of discipline with creating an album and keeping the bar really high is something I've been wanting to do for a very long time. I tend to love to write lots and lots of music. So it's a temptation to release lots of music. Sure. I wanted to do an album that was so focused on quality and on the theme and everything fitting together like a perfect puzzle that these 12 songs for my 12th album, it just, I feel like we achieved that. And I'm really happy about that. So you mentioned a couple of things there. First, what is the theme of the album? If you would describe it as one like theme, if that's possible, I would say it's everything that was going on behind the curtain.

1:41:40Okay. And then what are the goals? You said something like there, what would be like your main goals with this album? My main goals were melodies that were so infectious that you're almost angry at it. And lyrics that are just as vivid, but crisp and focused and completely intentional. So it's like, I feel like we actually came together in a really beautiful way. the three of us, Shellback, Max and I, where we had a conversation about how Max was like, I loved folklore. I loved the storytelling on folklore. I don't want that to change. Like, just because we're making these like, these infectious anthems, like, I don't want you to leave that behind.

1:42:30And I was like, I don't think I couldn't if I tried. So at this point, I got some stuff to say. I'm married to that kind of writing, you know, and so it was really amazing that we were able to without doing too much overthinking we were able to get in there and it was just ideas flying and all of these ideas were like we've been waiting years to come back together and make this project it felt really you were going to move you are this album is going to make you dance do i have to wait till october 3rd do i have to wait till october 3rd you do jason god damn it this is unfair we don't trust you at all yeah i mean Honestly, smart.

1:43:10I completely get it. Completely get it. The artwork. How do you settle on a front piece of like artwork for an album? This represents the end of my night. Okay. Right. So like when I'm on tour, I have the same day every single day. It's another reason why we have a very similar life. His game days are the same days every day. His practice days are the same every day. His meetings is scheduled. My show days are the same every single day. I just happen to be in a different city. And my day ends with me in a bathtub, not usually in a bedazzled dress. Sure. Well, it's gotta be, it's, it's on the front of it.

1:43:47We try to be dressed up, you know? Yeah. I wanted to sort of like glamorize all the different aspects of how that tour felt. And that's how that felt to like be at the end of the night when all this has gone down, you won't be able to get to bed till four in the morning after this, but you had to jump through 50 million hoops in this obstacle course that is your show. And you did it. You got two more in a row, but you did it tonight. That's all that matters. And the reason I wanted to have it sort of like an offstage moment as the main album cover is because this album isn't really about what happened to me on stage.

1:44:29It's about what I was going through offstage. so it's like you know I didn't want to have like the lights are bright I'm on the stage as the main album cover it's just this to me tells more of what the actual contents lyrically of the album are which is the life the life of the showgirl not what you're seeing it's the life behind it all it's the life beyond the show which is fascinating Travis, I'm very jealous. Very jealous that you've heard these songs. As you should be, Jason. As you should be. I think it's very fitting that it's orange. I mean, it looks like a giant sun. Pull that thing out again.

1:45:13It feels like it's going to be full of energy. Like the record itself. You have no idea, Jason. All right. Look at that thing. That thing is awesome. That is so cool. Very cool. All right. Well, congratulations, Taylor. Congratulations. Thank you so much. Everyone, you heard it here first. You have heard it here first. October 3rd is the release date of the TS-12, The Life of a Showgirl. 12 bangers. Congratulations, Taylor. I know you've been working on this for a long time. You're going to be moving the entire album. Thank you so much. You can preorder it now. You can preorder it now? There we go.

1:45:53Yeah, on my website. Okay, I'll be right back, guys. You heard it here first, folks. The Life of a Showgirl is available now. Now you can pre-order it. And the official release date is 10-3. That's October 3rd. Yes, sir. All righty. We are going to move to, we got to ask. You don't have to answer. I know you're familiar with this segment, but for anybody listening, this is a segment we often get to where our guests, we're going to ask a bunch of rapid fire questions. They are not obligated to answer. As a matter of fact, they are free to tell us to fuck off if they still choose. Okay, cool. If you still choose.

1:46:29All right. all right now how do you feel about jason telling his kids the cats are poisonous um it was actually really a great challenge because as soon as i got the kids around the cats it was my um goal to prove to them that they weren't poisonous and there's no better way to prove that than to just hand them benjamin my rascal who lets humans hold hold him like he's a baby and i mean like my favorite thing ever is just like when benny will come up to me and just go i find benjamin i find him and she's just like over there just like laying with him and petting him and holding him and they're the cats are so good with kids they're like drag they're just like there's like meredith is here i'm like yep and you know what she didn't bite you at all did she no she did and if she did bite you she wouldn't be poisonous they're like that's not what our dad said like well i heard you're getting a cat i heard this very well placed source i will neither confirm nor deny we'll see if you're getting like a proper cat you're getting like a cat that chases mice what i have are not that yes i think they sit around there's a chance there's a happy medium There's a chance I've been talked into a barn cat that does not go inside, that will survive off of rodents in the field.

1:47:55Those girls are going to be sneaking that cat into their beds every single night. This is why I lie to my kids, though. I want them to be able to be critical thinkers. They need to realize it's absurd to think this. and you handing them Benjamin and then walking them through critical thinking ability, now all of a sudden they won't believe something that every moron tells them on the internet. I know it wasn't helpful for you, but it was helpful for me. My allergies are going to be in severe... I don't even know if the allergies are a thing, Jason. I've had an allergy test. They tell you everything.

1:48:37Allegedly. I'd like to see a copy of it. Fair enough. I think that you just like maybe don't like. I don't. I mean, I think some cats I get down with. I always like Flash growing up, the cat that we had. Flash was OG. What did you think of my three cats, my three perfect little angels? Well, the only one that would go near me was Benjamin. Yeah, because the other two consents that you had resting cat hatred. That might be it. All right. If you had to choose to bake one thing to show off your baking skills, what would you choose? Oh, right now it would be my cinnamon swirl sourdough. Cinnamon swirl sourdough?

1:49:15I thought you were going to go Pop-Tarts. Pop-Tarts, Pop-Tarts. It depends on who I'm baking for. The Pop-Tarts. God, I just love making pop music and Pop-Tarts. I love it. I didn't even put those two together, but that makes a ton of sense. I've been really experimenting with the flavors there because we got now wild blueberry, raspberry, strawberry the original and Kylie got me baking the cinnamon sugar you're doing that now yes well if I may we need an orange pop tart now we need what's a I mean I'll do it if you really want me to like with like a marmalade like an orange marmalade in the middle and then the little orange extract Paddington bear little Paddington bear pop tart no I can get with this I just didn't see the vision until now and now I think it's kind of genius you've ruined pop tarts outside of yours just so you know thank you thank you so much for me either so now i gotta try the cinnamon swirl sourdough though if you're putting that above pop tarts yeah yeah i'm gonna send some over it's a banger perfect all right there's a rumor that you played the bear in happy gilmore 2 in the scene where travis has honey put on him can you confirm or deny this rumor i can deny like this is this is one of those ones where like we'll send it to each other and be like hey did you hear i was the bear in there he's like yeah you hear we bought a house in lake como right it's we're just sort of like at this point we're just like of course they think i'm inside of a bear costume like i'm honored to be thought of in that context because i loved that movie so much i watched it multiple times um loved it so much whoever did the bear acting was solid exquisite exquisite performance bad bunny and the bear killed that scene yeah bad bunny he absolutely delighted me in that movie he was so good would you like a breadstick he's amazing his comedic timing is so good there's this one part where they look over where they're like who did that and like his name is oscar his character's name is oscar in it yes right yes and it's like his brother gets hit by the golf uh ball and they look over and they're like who did that who did that and they do there's a face that bad bunny makes and they do the kind of the like the quick pan in the zoom yeah and it was just i was like who thought of that how did they know he could be that if i i was i watched it five times then he kills it he absolutely kills it so funny he's so good he's also like no but it felt i felt so much for this character i'm so excited to go to his restaurant like i thought this was a real man I believed this.

1:51:52Whose idea was arriving to the heirs tour stage via a cleaning cart? Mine. That's a weird idea that I, that's my type of weird idea. Where did that come from? Well, when you're putting on a first show of a tour like that, you're not just performing for the entire stadium, you're performing for the entire internet. And so I wanted to curate and really romanticize the images that they were seeing first. So I didn't want them to see my first outfit and my first look, um, which would have given away what the first arrow was before, before, you know, when I'm walking up the ramp behind the stage, there's all these fans that are seated behind the stage at certain angles that where they would have been able to film it.

1:52:33I didn't want that to be the first thing people saw from the air store. I wanted it to be the huge lover motif. And they're surprised and delighted by the fact that lovers, the first arrow we're doing. And they have, that's the first time they've seen that Versace bodysuit all lit up like like once the lights hit that thing it's just like yeah i love that outfit so much and so it was really about preserving kind of like the sanctity of a surprise moment right so i kind of thought i might only do it for night one and then i just got attached to it i was like i just i find this fun it's the perfect intro it really is there's a like weird little side of me that likes sneaking around and i think the fans found it funny too they're like what a weirdo we've come to see a weirdo in concert why is she doing that i was i don't know why did i make it look like a mop cart i don't know man there's just like so like if you can't have fun with the hijinks of this thing there's enough stress that goes into this if you can't get joy from silly little things like the mop cart man yeah you need to live a little doing it wrong live a little listen up get into a fake mop cart everyone knows you're in there but you're in there like I'm sneaking around.

1:53:43Nobody knows I'm in here. Everyone knows you're in there. But it's like, it's one of those things, like I work so hard to try to surprise fans and they're like, I don't want to be surprised. Sometimes they really don't think they want to be surprised. I want to figure stuff out. No, they do. But then I know, I know that when I can really get them and surprise them, that it was, it was, it was so worth it. Cause that's what entertainment is really it's just giving people something to escape to sink their teeth into to to like we're world building you know that's what the whole tour was hopefully people never thought that we'd go on this podcast and announce an album like i was hoping that that's something that the fans would be like that's from left field like if we accomplish that then that's she went on with those two idiots to release this?

1:54:33Man, things are really getting dark for Taylor. All right. We ask all of our guests this. Yep. Who, what is your welcome to the NFL moment? Oh, oh. I'd say it was the first time I stepped on the field, which would have been when you won the AFC Championship. The first season that I was with you, and it was in Baltimore, and we're in the suite, and he's just won the AFC championship. We're freaking out. Everybody's screaming. And his mom goes, all right, let's go down to the field. And I was like, what are we doing? What do you mean? What are you talking about? We're going where? And she's like, we're going down to the field.

1:55:14And I was like, did he say that that's okay? Because we hadn't talked about this. There was no like, hey, if I win this game. I didn't want to jinx it. Yeah, he doesn't jinx anything, which I respect actually. I'm all about that. But we hadn't had a conversation about it. So I'm like, is he going to be like, what are you doing down here, dude? No, it was mama knows best. Mama knows best. She knew I wanted you down there. And so she was like, trust me, he wants you there. And I was like, okay, well, she would know. And so I'm walking out onto this field and it's just like. Oh my god. Oh my god.

1:55:52Oh my god. This is it's so there's so many lights. we're going to the supermarket i've never seen this many cameras i've never seen like i've never seen this much media in my life and i've seen a lot of media and then the media sees me and they're like ah and then they just start running at me and i'm looking at you and you're and then you're screaming into the mic because when there's a mic and there's travis like he physically needs to scream into it of course all right okay that's like i just so basically i'm experiencing this whole heightened scenario that I had no idea five minutes before I was going to be experiencing.

1:56:29And it was, it's one of my most cherished memories because I was so proud of you. And I was so proud that you came down there to enjoy that moment. It was so magical. It was so fun. It's like crazy. It's crazy to, to get to see someone you love work that hard and then have that kind of like euphoric payoff where you're like, for sure, you did it. Like you did it underlined a hundred times. You did like, you did it. human exclamation point what do you mean

1:56:59that's crazy like yeah i had such a great rookie year it was crazy it was a great year what is your welcome to like i don't know if it's like singer like like being a pop star being a performer yeah what is your welcome to the industry moment in in that regard oh my god um man, I never really, I actually never really allowed myself to feel like the you've arrived thing. Sure. I've just now started to be able to really be in a moment when I'm in the moment. That's why I'm so glad that the errors tour happened when I'm an adult, because I was able to completely and totally soak in these moments while I'm planning, obviously what I'm doing next in the show.

1:57:45But like when I'm at the end of that show and I'm standing there taking it in, that's me a hundred percent present. But, you know, starting to do this when I was putting out my first album when I was like 16, I was always onto the next plan and that I get joy in planning. So it's not like I wasn't happy with that, but I never allowed myself to say, you've arrived, you've made it. I was always like, how are you getting, how are you going to get to make the next project. And it was all about, it was all about the, the higher I climbed, the more creative control I had and the more fun I had making stuff.

1:58:18Right. So it was not the, like the altitude I was reaching, there was more pressure every step of the way, but I was getting more creative control and freedom every time. And I, and that is why it felt so much more special to keep working harder, to get it to new levels. It's not like, oh, like I can afford to buy this or whatever like it not to discount that but for me every time I got higher up on a new rung of the ladder I could make stuff in a more focused and free and autonomous way what else would you want as an artist I never really let myself be like I've made it but the arrows tour I was like oh this is different like this is not this is nothing like what I've ever experienced before it was so much better than anything literally while she's doing that she's still creating the next thing yeah that's what's crazy to me i love it i love show sweden live show sweden live show sweden yeah that's it's no i i adore what i do i absolutely love it and i love then taking the songs and writing a treatment for a music video and directing the music video like all of the things that i get to do now i'm so grateful for the ability to create like that's still what drives all of it.

1:59:31Well, us Swifties appreciate your dedication. We are very grateful for this as well. Thanks, guys. All righty. Do you have any questions for us? We're kind of out of the questions for this section. Is there anything you wanted to ask Travis or I? I mean, you have a... Yeah. You put Travis on the spot right now. Yeah. I know. Oh, God. Well, I don't know. I was wondering how that wax is growing in. Oh, my God. Because I haven't talked to him in a couple weeks about it, and I just feel like it's really important for you to make sure that those hairs don't grow in. It's getting a little itchy, bud.

2:00:04No, it's fine. When you go from fur to no fur at all. And you can wear it. That's because we got some thick hair. It's important to figure out. Like a bear. Don't tell us too much. How are we doing? We're doing good. We're doing good. We're managing it? Well, we're not managing it. That's how we're managing it is we're not managing it. Okay. It's fortunate for me. My hair grows fast. Yep. It's coarse. It's got a texture that was difficult for about a couple weeks. Very itchy. Yep. That's what I thought. We've passed that phase now. Are we going to do it again, do you think? I don't think so. And listen, shout out to the people in downtown Philadelphia.

2:00:48They did a great job. You're being wags. I'm not. I don't think it's going to be a recurring bit. Yeah. It was the best it could have been. I also don't think I'm going to find myself in a Speedo again. Jason walked into a door that said European wax and was treated with the utmost respect in class. He had to try it in order to know. That's life. You know, it feels important that you did it. And also, it's because now you know. Because now you know. Now you know. I know what women go through. I always say that after I make unfortunate judgment calls. Right. Well, now I know. Now I know. Had to try it.

2:01:29The one thing I didn't try was... Wasn't great. Wouldn't do it again. Yep. Yep. And on that note... Now you know. Thanks for having me.

2:01:44Tay, thank you so much for hopping on. Oh, my gosh. All right. Thank you so much for hopping on. You are the best. This has been a blast. I think Kylie enjoyed being the number one most viewed episode for her time that she had this is don't you do that to Kylie don't you do that to Kylie if you guys throw Kylie under the bus you're going to pay for it that was just uncalled for why didn't Elliot already do it you find out that's right and that's a wrap folks on another episode of New Heights thank you to our guest Taylor Swift for joining us on the show wife of a showgirl comes out October 3rd.

2:02:22Pre-order is now available on taylorswift.com. Reminder, New Heights will be back to kick off the NFL season August 27th. Make sure you're subscribed to the New Heights channel on YouTube and follow New Heights in the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Alright, now, once again, New Heights a Wondery show. Follow the show on all social media at New Heights show with one S and thanks to our production and crew always for your editing skills and making us look entirely better than what we are uh taylor got to see this firsthand actually thanks guys it's been great and to the 92 percenters and to the swifties we love you guys we'll see you guys next time bye peace all right i i don't know how to where to go from here I went there was confetti all over

2:03:23oh this is like when the cats taste something they don't that they're confused by this is my favorite impression it's a confused the cat ate something it doesn't know what it is this is this that gets you every time fucking gets me every time man I will laugh at that I will like fall off the couch laughing at that if he'll do it at his you know