Tom Brady on Favorite Super Bowl, Kelce v Gronk, Belichick Debate & Why the NFL is Hard | EP 198

26:05But game's on the line. Let's see what we got. Well, in that game, I still, I mean, the BG sacks. But even after that, you guys got the ball back. And up until that ball fell on the ground, that last Hail Mary attempt, I'm still like, Like, dude, Tom could still find a way to get this done. Yeah. I'm not even believing it was over then. But let's get to some of the good stuff. Seven-time Super Bowl champion. Yeah. Oldest Super Bowl champion, I believe. Is that correct? Oldest starting quarterback Super Bowl champion. Oh, yeah. I saw it firsthand. Do you have a favorite one? What is your favorite?

26:34Yeah, do you got a favorite one out of all of them? I don't want to sound arrogant because that's not – I would say they're all different, first of all. And they're all different, meaningful, because they kind of tell a different story. Oh, yeah. I think one that was like the 2014 one against the Seahawks, you'd probably say like the Atlanta one where we came back from all those, you know, down a bunch of points. But the one, I won three really early. And it was kind of like, ah, you know, what's so hard about the NFL? You know, I mean, I sounded like a little dick. I mean, no idea. I mean, it was like I went to Michigan.

27:09We were good in Michigan. And I won two bowl games. And then I got to the pros my first year we won the Super Bowl. And then, you know, my next year we didn't. and then we won two back to back. So I was kind of like, like, this is what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to start the season, work hard, you know, and then win. That's okay. Big deal. But then we lost in 07 to the Giants. Then we lost in 2011 to the Giants. And then we played Seattle in the 2014. So we had gone ten years and I had three years, three times we won it. Then I had two where we lost it. And then I was like, man, and then 2014 came and we're going against the Legion of Boom and we're down, I think 10 in the fourth quarter or or uh yeah 10 in the fourth quarter and um and then we end up having just the most incredible you know last again last 20 minutes of the game and defense played incredible I mean that stopped down at the goal line it was it went from like you know again we were losing most of the game we finally got a lead in the fourth quarter they drove right down the field and then Dante Hightower made one of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history tackling Marshawn getting blocked had like one shoulder out somehow got Marshawn on the ground which like 10 guys can't get Marshawn on the ground.

28:14Monte did it with like one shoulder yeah and then Malcolm makes one of the greatest defensive plays in the history of football and everyone after the game talked about you know oh not handing the ball to Marshawn I was like how about that play by Malcolm Butler to like pull the trigger yeah yeah to pull the trigger on that as a rookie to like go over the top with a pick and the acceleration burst and then it was all enough yeah yeah it's crazy yeah whenever i'm i'm a receiver and i come out of a break i'm i'm always trying to um minimize the opportunity for the defender to beat my angle yeah he's gonna go through you to get he's gonna go through me that that's a part of my size and my like strength in in being a pass catcher and i thought he had a good angle coming in now maybe he could have gone in there with a little bit more tempo but it's kind of like one of those plays where it's like the rpos you want to kind of come in with something whatever it was but i thought the angle was good and malcolm just fucking shot it man and that goes to like the i'm sure the film uh the film breakdowns and all the i love the story behind it they talked about prepping for that exact situation before it happened um i don't know if that was like in a 30 for 30 where i saw bill talking about that but i love when the preparation carries over and then I mean the moment there I mean you could not have a bigger moment for a guy a young player to really go out of his way to take a chance yeah Tom I've always wanted to ask you this because there is you have this ability and we kind of talked about it before about just like the rhythm in which you always commanded the offense it's just you feel like you've always got control of the game and and everybody's kind of going at your rhythm Was there a point in your career where you started to understand that?

29:55Or was it always just kind of within your preparation how you guys ran the offense? You know, my college experience was really unique. My first three years, I didn't play at all in Michigan. And again, if I was around these days, I probably would have transferred to another school because, you know, it was simple to do. But, you know, Michigan was a really tough experience in terms of my ability. I had to grow up. I didn't have brothers. I had three sisters. You know, I was the youngest. I got baby by my mom. I got babied by my dad. I got babied by my sisters. I go to Michigan, which is a long way from California.

30:27It's freezing cold. I didn't have a jacket when I went there. And I sit on the bench my first year, you know, and I really had, I would call it like a lot of self-defeating attitudes and behaviors. I always had an excuse. I always had, you know, coach doesn't want me in there. You're creeping real easy. Yeah. They're not giving me the opportunity. And I had a sports psychologist who unfortunately passed away about a year ago. His name was Greg Harden. And he started really psychology on me. And I would go into his office every Tuesday. And he would say, you know, Tom, I like you. You know, you work hard, but like you have a shitty attitude.

31:06And how about you start worrying about what you can control and stop talking about the other quarterbacks. Stop talking about the coaches not putting you in. how about you take advantage of the opportunities you get and every time you go in there you bring energy you bring enthusiasm if they give you three reps you do the best with the three you get quit bitching about you only getting three or you going in there with the backup receivers no one cares you go in there you bring energy you treat practice like it's a game you go out to that practice field like it's the big house in your plan oh i say if you throw a touchdown in the two minute in practice, you celebrate like it's the game.

31:46And I was like, well, I never approached like that. And he goes, you're going to gain a lot of trust and a lot of confidence from your teammates if you start treating that way, because it's going to improve your play. Sure enough, my energy started getting way better. I was bringing juice. I had the right attitude. And then it started to improve. And my second year, it got way better. My third year, I competed with Brian Greasy to be the starter. Brian beat me out. Our team went undefeated, won the national championship. But I learned a lot. Watch Brian be a great leader. Then all of a sudden, I'm like, fuck, I'm bringing the juice, man, every day.

32:18I'm bringing it in practice. Yeah, every day. And that's what I did. And then we actually were, I was pretty good, you know, my fourth and fifth year. Then I went to the pros. And again, the pros is like, everyone is like, hey, man, it's a good day. Like, don't cover me on scout team, you know? And here comes Tom Brady, scout team quarterback. and I'm trying to like, you know, beat up the defense. Yeah. And that really helped me, again, that helped me like get better. And then finally going into my second year, I won the backup job because I was so competitive and I was so fiery and no one was going to unseat Drew Bledsoe.

32:52He signed a 10-year,$100 million contract in 2001. Not right now. I mean, that was a lot of money then. And then Drew got hurt in the second game and I came on and I remember the defensive players like William McGinnis would come up to me and lawyer malloy and they'd be like tommy like man you just keep doing what you're doing man you keep so they could just sense that like there was a part of me that really loved it i was i was obsessed with the sport i loved the practicing and then i loved the leadership part and i really loved the preparation then i got really into the game and peyton manning was the guy that i always looked up to yeah you know as a kind of a rival because i thought he was the epitome of a field general he got his team in the right play and and then i watch him he's throwing for all these touchdowns every year.

33:34So it was like, if I could get the mental part right, I was getting good at the emotional, the competitive stamina, the leadership. And then my physical body started to catch up to me. And then it kind of all came together. And like, I would say 2003, I started to turn into like what I would become, but it was a process. It was like, I would say it was definitely built by, you know, a lot of people that supported me in the journey. And then I was just really open to learning. I was curious about everything. And then I wanted to go out there and, and be my very best. And so it was just a progression of a lot of things, a lot of people, and then kind of putting it all to use.

34:11Hell yeah. That's awesome. I love that story from college, man. Um, that, that it resonates so much, not only with me, but I've seen guys not handle that conversation the right way. You know, it's easy to be negative and, and to, to not only just point fingers, but to look at what's going on around you and create an excuse. but in the reality of things, if you come in with the right fucking mindset and the right energy, man, one is you're going to enjoy what you do 10 times, 10 times more. But then on top of that, it's infectious, man. That energy is infectious. You could, I mean, everywhere you've gone, you've had success and you've, you've been a part of, of, of like more than just yourself in, in bringing it, like bringing wins and everything like that.

34:55But those memories that you create because of the energy and the mindset that you bring into the building. That's what, you know, the teammates and the people you go to work with are going to remember you most for. Well, it's also a productive mindset for a player. Yeah. Like, this is always one of the things that really sucks when you start losing games and you see the finger-pointing start or like, hey, we're not doing this, we're not doing that. And you have to try and, like, remain like, dude, just control what you can control. Like, be the best center you can be. And if you can be a way to help somebody by putting them in a better situation, being a great teammate but dude and that's a do your job i know that was like bill's like main thing forever yeah totally but like when you're thinking about all these reasons that are outside your control what the fuck good is that doing anybody it doesn't it's so pointless it is so pointless there was a great quote that you know i i saw that was like every brick you know every brick in the road that you put down is an opportunity for you to travel that road to be successful.

35:54But every brick you put in a wall is just an excuse that blocks your opportunity to get to where you want to get to go. And I think you create excuses and they're very built in. And again, think about how we're living these days, like with these guys that come in that everybody, their agents, their mom, dad, their sisters, their brothers, they all are, they're willing, okay, you lose a game and losing sucks. It feels horrible for all of us. And it's amazing to have the support from people to come in and go, Hey man, it's not your fault. It was the defense's fault not your fault it was the coach's fault not your photos arrest fault not your fault and in the reality is maybe that helps for like five seconds yeah but in the end it doesn't change any of the outcomes and i always feel like if you really want to grow up just take it all on yourself just say no it's my fault i gotta do better yeah i gotta do better i gotta you know like i heard wendy talked the other day after the game and he said like and they had a great finals it was you know it was a tough game yeah nicks were on fire they won however many 15 to 16 playoff quarters were 13 or 14.

36:54insane and then you know there was a part of wimby said well we dominated every game and i'd like it's not the point yeah you know like i just i i want to i want to just and i love wimby don't get me wrong he's gonna be like he is the most mature he's gonna have a tremendous career but it's also like i always think when i see people talk how would i answer that question and the reality for everybody is like they were better than we were and we got to do a better job that's simple like what that's that's actually very motivating yeah like they were better we need to do better great that's what that's what it takes to win a championship you know we were better you guys were better than us jason when you when we played you trab like we had a better day than you it actually doesn't mean we're a better team we had a better day but it sparks a fire if you have the right approach like but like that game i took the same approach in my mind like it doesn't matter what the team did what can i what what could i have done better that day to be more accountable to light a fire in my team to to create a better uh whatever it was on the side like you know what i mean like it's like yeah you you immediately have to look at yourself in the mirror and and aggressively attack yourself you know and and yeah it'll make you feel better knowing that you dissect it and you've done even more to better yourself, to be more prepared, to be more accountable.

38:14You'll feel better about the next opportunity. And even as it translates, and for both you guys, Jay, you've retired, Travis, at some point you will, but all that does translate into other parts of your life. Yeah, I know. I'm never doing it. Keep going, baby. Keep going. To the last moment, literally to the last moment. But I've been around great entrepreneurs as well. And I would say that attitude where they put everything back on themselves makes them very successful business too. So like people who are, I've seen very fortunate again to be around some amazing businessmen. And like, I see the way they approach that way.

38:52And they're like, I got to do better. I got to motivate him more. I got to do this. I got to get on the floor. I got to understand that better. I got to make that decision. And I would sit there going, oh my, that sounds like the crazy part that I was. But that's actually the only way it works. Yep. You know, it's the only way that businesses work. It's the only way relationships work. It's the only way football teams work. It's the only way hockey teams work. It's like everyone work hard, have humility, have self-awareness, know you could do better. Believe me, football, you never, how many games have you guys walked out and go, well, I was perfect today.

39:21Like, man, that was basically 100%. Not a single game. Exactly. Not a single game. So, you know, we all have the opportunity to be better. Well, let's talk about some, some teammates of yours, big guy. I got to hear you talk about Gronk, man. He's been one of my favorite players since he's gotten to the league. Your guys' chemistry is unbelievable. Just how he enjoys the game and how he lives life, man. I've always admired the guy from a distance, man. But what was your first impression of Gronk when he got to New England? Yeah, I mean, at that point, there was like a big expectation of our team when he got there.

39:56Like, we had been – we had like a good 10-year run. and I think we needed a big refresh of energy and Gronk brought it he was like free fun loving like you know Gronk you know how he is and how you see him anywhere is how he's one of the most authentic people you'll ever be around yeah and like football's hard you know but Gronk always found a way to bring you know kind of light to it and he Gronk was really unique you know I think Gronk was the greatest blocking tight end in history. Gronk could handle defensive ends. He was at the point of attack in the run game. Like, we didn't care. We would rather go to Gronk than the open side tackle.

40:35That's crazy. Yeah. And so that's a really underrated part of his game. And then as a pass catcher, you know, he was never going to be like the twitchiest. But his straight line, when he would run seam routes or, you know, middle reads or flag routes, he was off the chart. So there was just part of his game that was, it was very natural for him. He was really a natural athlete. And I think we, our environment kind of kept him really serious, which I think that's probably a good thing for him in the end. Because I think if he was on another team where the coach let him get away with a lot of stuff, Gronk maybe would have veered a little that way.

41:11But I think our team kind of made him, you know, a little more confined. And he still had a great time. But man, I think he really maximized his vision. in New England than other places, I'm sure. It's all about balance, too. Sometimes when you have a team that's so, like, very straight line, having a guy like Gronk lighten it every once in a while and whatnot, you need that, too, right? Totally. Mike Vrabel was like that when he was at the Patriots. Yeah. He was like, Vrabes, man, Vrabes cut it loose. He was like, Randy Moss was like that. Matt Light was one of the most, you know, the funniest guys I've ever been around.

41:44He kept it light for everybody, so. Yeah, Matt's been on, I don't know if he's been on Julian and Gronk's podcast a couple of times. I've never really talked to the guy, but some of the clips coming out, I'm like, dude, this would be a fun teammate to be around for sure. You guys got to get him on your show at some point because he's one of a kind. He's an amazing player and teammate. Was there any other tight end that you've ever seen like Gronk? Is he like a one-of-one because of his ability? And to your credit, like Connor Barron, who I played with in Philly and in college, he said the same thing years ago about Gronk.

42:13He's like, dude, normally we go up against a tight end, we're salivating. Whether he's going to be in passport or the run game, You do not get blocked by the tight end. And Gronk was the one guy where he's like, this guy is manhandling DMs. And a lot of times, too, you would think that he loved blocking. And I think because he didn't want to go out and run a lot of routes. He would be so tired. And he's like, hey, just keep me in and run behind me. I like that. And he'd be just bodying people. And then he'd be totally cool with that. But he was pretty unique. Like I really, you know, early in my career, I had Dan Graham, who was a really good run blocker.

42:51Ben Watson, I had Kyle Brady in 2007. And then we had a little stretch. Ben was still there in 2009. And Ben was really strong and really athletic, but just wasn't at the point of attack as good as Gronk. And then we got Gronk. And Gronk was a dominating tight end. And then when we didn't have Gronk, I as a quarterback for the first time in my career realized, oh, shit. Like we lose those matchups all the time. Like not only is that not neutral, it's a loss. So now everything's to the open side or now you're flashing the tight end back all the time. And again, it just limits what you're able to do.

43:24And look, that's life in the NFL. I mean, you're never not everyone's good at everything. I mean, you got a game plan and that's what good coaches do. You got to, you know, everyone's got to. And if you're an elite pass catcher, that's amazing. You're going to be on the field a lot. You know, sometimes if you're really good at run blocking and a really good pass catcher, you know, you could be a great player. Oh, yes. Well, he was the jack of all trades, and he was a dream piece for any offensive coordinator, both in the run game and pass game. He had a little bit of, like, a skip to my Lou, and he played with his tempo in his routes.

43:56Yeah. Like, a lot of his, like, deep crosses or a lot of his in-breaking routes, or if he had a soft coverage on it, he would play with his tempo. and it made him feel faster in his routes, then I learned so much from just watching him just run like deep crosses or deep cross, like basic routes or even out routes and stuff like that. But there's only so much you can do when you watch Gronk in terms of like trying to incorporate it into your game because the guy just had such a gift and like a feel for the run game that it just, it was, it's one of a kind, man. And his ability to get the inside hands, he has long arms.

44:38He's always been strong as an ox. Yeah. And just the physicality to get into a bar fight every single play, it's one of a kind, man. Do you have a favorite Gronk story? I know you do, man. I do. It's kind of probably more than a little bit. It's a one, but let's go. What do we got? I got a good one. I got a good one. All right. So Gronk, like, Gronk is, he's, okay, Gronk, I love Gronk. Gronk didn't ever work. You know, like a lot of receivers, tight ends will work on catching drills. So like, you know, afterwards hit the jugs machine, you know, 100 catches. And all the receivers did it. Julian would come at like 6 in the morning and throw tennis balls off the wall and do one-hand drills.

45:15I never saw Gronk ever do any catching drill, ever. And I would throw the ball. And every ball I'd throw to Gronk, like he'd have these big white gloves, right? And when you put his hands up like this, it looked like the top of a trash can that I would try to hit. and he would run across the field and he would go with like, so he had like a smile on his face. And I'd throw it and the ball would just, the ball would just stick to his hands, right? So it was like unbelievable. So one day it's like his, it's like third year in the league. All right. And we're at practice and I throw him a ball and it like hits like the palm of his hands and like falls on the ground.

45:56and Gronk looks at me and is like, what was that? Like, what just happened? So he goes, Tommy, throw me the ball again. And I took the ball and I fired at him and he fought it. And it was like he gained his confidence. Okay, okay, I'll do it. All right, all right. And by the way, for the rest of the career, I never saw him do a catching drill. There you go. So it was like, there was a... There was a five second loss of confidence in a receiver's career. And it was like, I'll never forget it. He was just like so lovable. And you're like, come here, man. You're fucking, you're unbelievable. The laughing while he's running full speed is the most grunk thing I've ever like felt.

46:41Absolutely. He's just having fun going fast. Like, you know what I mean? It's like, whee. I know. I know. What a dude, man. He sure was. Thank you to our partner, Enterprise. The final match of soccer's biggest tournament is fast approaching with corner kicks being taken and Enterprise giving away cars on every corner kick goal. And there's still time to win one yourself. The moment a corner kick is called, post on X, hashtag on every corner, hashtag sweepstakes at Enterprise. And if a corner kick is scored, you could win a car. Winners may pick up their prize cars at an Enterprise or an Enterprise car sales location on a corner near them One of the prize cars from Enterprise could be yours The question is, are you hitting the open road or surprising someone you love with a brand new set of wheels?

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49:35And of course at the time, I'm like, I don't know, it's not like I'm the general manager or anything. And he showed up and they're like, Tommy, Randy's here. So I went and saw him, he's like, yo man, I love the way you play, man. I wanna figure out how to make it happen. Of course I'm like, all right, why are you talking to me? Yeah, sure. I love that too, but you know. And then sure enough, yeah, like it all the trade goes down in 07 and um we got randy and all of a sudden it was like well what can you know a lot of saying well he's done what can he do he comes into otas and he wasn't in the best of shape in otas like you know probably not most he probably had a few years in oakland where you know it wasn't the most motivated so probably didn't get the best out of him so he's kind of getting guarded by some people in otas by like some guys he shouldn't be guarded by and i'm kind of like when is he going to turn it on right all of a sudden we get to training camp and we run the conditioning test and Randy comes he takes his shirt off he's lean like in shape he's running the conditioning test like a deer all of a sudden we get out there it's like probably like the second week of training camp and we run a flea flicker and Randy's the intended receiver and I throw it literally as far as I can and Randy's running he beats the safety and Randy would always kind of lolly off the line of scrimmage and he would always just watch the safety so he'd lolly at the safety and as soon as the safety either came forward or flat-footed then randy would just hit the gas yeah so randy hits the gas i throw it as far as i can randy opens up and just as he's sticking his arm out he grabs his hamstring oh and squeaks his hammy so he misses the rest of training camp doesn't play a preseason game and now it's like all right week one we still don't know what randy can do and we go out there against the jets in week one and we had this play the revis this is the revis wasn't revis was that was revis's rookie year yeah was revis's rookie year so we start the game randy catches a few balls and then there was a ball on the sideline he kind of ran like i don't know what you'd call it but like a deep out route but kind of you stem it in you stem it up the field and trying to route it yeah and then you run to the sides probably 18 to 20 yard throw and they had a good rush on and i could feel the rush coming and i knew randy was running an outbreaker so i kind of like just as i was getting hit i threw it and as i was going to the ground of course you can't see anything and i'm thinking all right i kind of was throwing it out of bounds yeah and all of a sudden i hear the crowd go oh and i looked up and i was like he caught that and when you see the highlight he like catches it outside of you know the frame is over his head and he taps his feet and what should have been you know just a foul ball he ends up it's like a 20-yard gain and at that point i was like this is going to be different and i threw a few balls we had some routes that were one-man routes literally play action fake nine people in protection you know i was quarter of ten and then randy we called one called a pistol route where if it was too high he ran at the near safety and then broke to the high flag or the post and ran across him.

52:47Or then if it was a post safety, he ran at the post safety. And if the corner stayed behind him and he felt like he wanted to go back to the high seven, he could take it. A lot of times you ran across the field, but I would have to throw it, you know, 65 yards. And it was like - You gotta get that thing out. You gotta make a decision, Randy. Oh my God. How do you know where he's gonna go? You don't. Yeah, yeah. You don't. And he would just turn on the gas. And the great part about having a really fast receiver is when you see your receiver running fast, And I would say for the most part, NFL DBs are faster than receivers in general.

53:22I'm not saying always, but you can't be a slow DB in the NFL. Just slow DBs. You could be a receiver that's not that fast and still be productive. You can't be a slow DB. All those guys run 4-3, high 4-3, low 4-2s, low 4-4s, sorry. So Randy, because of his speed, I knew he was faster than everybody on the field. So whenever I saw Randy's speed, I could just gauge my ball flight and the trajectory of the ball on his speed. And when he started running, I just threw it as far as I could to gauge Randy's speed. A lot of the times, which meant the further and higher I threw it, the better chance Randy had to catch it.

53:59For most receivers, the higher you throw it and the further, the more the DB has a chance to catch up. Yeah, you're bringing up what really stands out with Randy is that tracking of the ball when it's in the air, right? Yeah. That ability to turn it into another gear. The only other guy I've ever seen do it is Deshaun Jackson. Deshaun, yeah. Those are the only two that I can think of where when that ball is up there and hanging, they just separate. Yeah. That's got to be an underrated attribute. To be able to not slow down while you're doing that. You know what I mean? because it's one thing to put the head down, put the shoulders down, and dig.

54:37It's another thing to be able to keep that speed and find the ball. I think that's why they could track the ball. They weren't digging. They were just gliding. They just did it, and it still looked like normal speed. I know, and what happens a lot of times when you turn your neck, you turn your shoulders. So no one would say run a 40-yard dash at the combine, but turn your shoulders back to the starting line. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Randy had a long neck because he was tall, So he could kind of turn his neck because the guys are really thick in the traps and don't have a long neck. It's really hard for them to turn their head.

55:09You know, when you turn your head, you typically slow down. That's why Jason's golf swing so tight. Stop. Stop it. Such a unique skill set. Crazy. It really is, man. And you know who had a Tyreek Hill is another one. Oh, my God. He didn't have that stride that the two we were just talking about, Deshaun. It was different. But his ability to find the ball and to meet it down is second to none, too. Drav, you must have seen some crazy plays in practice from him, right? It's insane. It's insane. I told everybody, the year we got him, I think he was a fifth or sixth round pick. And the first day we got him, it was like a little seven-on-seven in OTAs.

55:49And he caught just like a flat router. It was like a bubble slant RPO. And he was the bubble. He caught the bubble. nobody got within two arms lengths of him and he just ran down the sideline and I'm just sitting here like We just got the most electric player in the draft. Like it was insane, dog. And his ability. And you already know a lot of the practice reps is just like what you were saying. Just testing out how far a quarterback can throw it in which we can connect downfield. If he can track it. And seeing the plays that him and Mahomes would make in OTAs or in training camp. And just testing the waters to see, you know, how far we could go.

56:33I mean, it's insane. I remember you guys played the Chargers maybe week one of that year, and you were at that little Home Depot center or whatever it was. The soccer stadium, yeah. The soccer stadium. And he caught a slant route. It was that, yeah. And cribbed it. And I was like, oh, my God. Hit the 200. I was like, who? Yeah. I got a good story about that. So we play you guys one year, and Bill was like, all right, the calls on third down are one double Travis, one double 87. and we didn't double Tyreek and Tyreek went for like 200 plus that game and you guys beat us and Bill came in the next day and says we're doubling Tyreek and we are not going to let him go for 200 on us so it was like back and forth on third down who we were doubling and it's so, I mean it's kind of cool for us because you do see like, I mean most NFL players are obviously supremely talented and then every once in a while you see someone who is just a little more talented than everybody else.

57:31And you go, man, that is a special talent. That's crazy. Yes. And a lot of times it just stands out immediately. Oh, yeah, right away. Like Aaron Donald is a pass rusher. I mean, it's like everyone and then Aaron Donald. Yes. You know, everyone, then Randy Moss. Everyone and then Darrell Reedus. Everyone and then Ray Lewis. You know, everyone and then Ed Reed. It's like even if there's a Hall of Fame, and then to me there's like one player that's like even better than every Hall of Famer. Deion Sanders says it best, man. You guys got to find another hall for me to be in, man. Yeah! I love Prime when he says that.

58:05I mean, it really is true. I think there's very few players that aren't, like, it's not scheme dependent. It's not, like, it doesn't matter who's on their team. Like, that guy would have been the best of all time, regardless of where he was and who he was with. Yeah. That's, like, a whole other realm of football player. I got to ask you about one more teammate, man. One of my favorite of all time. that everywhere he goes, he wins. Joe Tooney. Big Tooney, man. You got any good Tooney stories? Ohio? Yeah. I used to call them Looney Tunes. But Joe was like, I think, like a third-round pick for us, and he played tackle at NC State.

58:45We moved in the guard, started as a rookie. We had a great O-line coach, Dante Skarniecki. And Dante was just, I can't say enough good things about him. Like what he taught me, what he taught the offense. He gave the line so much confidence. And like, you know, five guys in there, you guys all play together. He gave that line confidence through his techniques, but also everything was black and white with Scar. There was no gray area. This is how we're doing it. And okay, if we can't get it that way, I'll change it. But we're going to, and everyone was so decisive and they played well together.

59:19And Joe just came in and he embraced all that. he had you know david andrews was next to him a few times as a center i mean he was just the perfect guard size strength you know probably he didn't have the longest arms but it didn't matter you know but we moved into a tackle one game and he was like i've never played time i and dante said listen just kick get to the junction point punch yeah and it was like it was like okay that's all i gotta do just give us a chance baby that's all i know and then yeah i mean he he he's just he was a captain and he's just he always did the right thing i mean it was like no he showed up he was you know he sweated his ass off and he just he was the consummate pro and he should be a champion he still is he's he's just a great player great guy we miss him as a teammate out there in kc man he's one of my favorite of all time and we actually moved him to tackle for an entire season and uh and he took us to the super bowl uh the last one well it wasn't the whole season the end of the season yeah it was like yeah but yeah through the playoffs and everything yes exactly We got to ask you another one of our favorites, Jules.

1:00:23Tell us about, how does he go from like special team, but was a quarterback at Kent State? QBA, yeah, the Mac-tion baby. Dude. He was running the Mac, dude. Tell us that story. So he signed with the same agent that I had. So I knew who he was. Don Yee and Steve Dubin, who were agents. And he was from the Bay Area. So he grew up like five minutes from where I grew up. So I knew who he was. And all of a sudden we got back and Billy O 'Brien was like, hey we're sending you know we're going down to check this kid out from kent state and i was like of course so he ends up being a punt returner uh to get started we have we have west already at that position when we got julian so of course my i mean west was one of like the greatest teammates i ever had one of the greatest receivers ever to play in football west look at west's six-year stretch with us it was unmatched i mean he was incredible and julian comes in and he's got a chance to learn from west but we didn't really need julian that much because we had someone in that position yeah but julian just had a chip on his shoulder you know he was and he worked his ass off you know julian had one of the greatest work ethics of anyone ever seen and he okay so the difference is this when you play quarterback like julian did in college the ball was in his hands and now he could do something with it when you play receiver you have to do something to get the ball in your hands.

1:01:43You don't line up behind the offensive line like the running backs do. So to learn to be a receiver, to learn how to run a route, to learn how to get open, to learn how your footwork, that's like an incredibly difficult skill set. And it took him years to figure it out. And to Julian's credit, you know, 2009, he, you know, he played really well. We had a playoff game. We got our ass kicked against the Ravens. Julian was the the best player on the field that day for our team. And 2010, he didn't play much. 2011, he broke his arm, didn't play much. 2012, Wes was still there, so he didn't play that much.

1:02:19And then finally, 2013 came. After four years, he played defense, he played punt returner, and then he just, he got way better at running routes. And again, just tenacious, tough. Like, Julian had juice every day, and he was just, he built himself into one of the greatest players the Patriots ever had. Yeah. That's fucking awesome, man. Is there something about that body type? The, like, short-sawed-off white guy that's just, those feet are just moving quicker. We're going to get an option route on a guy in the slot, and they're not going to be able to redirect as quick as this guy. You know what?

1:02:54In some ways, Jay, it was like, because, okay, our team was built differently than a lot of others. Like, we didn't always have the highest-paid players. In fact, when a lot of guys would have a chance to get free agent contracts, Bill would trade those guys and let them get paid somewhere else. And then we'd have to replace them with lesser talented players. One position that's unique in the NFL is receiver. Jamar Chase makes$40 million a year. Tee Higgins makes$30 million. Tyree Kill was making almost$30 million. We didn't have those players. So we had to find production from other areas and slot receivers in the NFL don't get paid top dollar for receiver.

1:03:35So in a way, we paired like this team kind of receiver group with some rookies and some, I would say, more role type players at receiver because we had these inside players, I'll call them, that played tighter of the formation that could still be very productive because they had great route trees and they were very dead. Maybe not vertical speed, as fast as vertical speed, but they had short area quickness. And that short area quickness is what the game's all about. Now, I would argue, would you rather be fast or have great short-air quickness? I'd rather have short-air quickness. Football is a game of quickness, not speed.

1:04:13Timing, we can be on the same time and get shit done more with that short-air quickness and getting that, like, showing color and getting open over the middle of the field, especially for the tight ends and the inside receivers. And Trav, you're 6 '5", how many? 250, 255, and you have twitchiness. You had size, length. You did have speed, and you did have, you know, they couldn't arm tackle you, and you had twitchiness. Your footwork is more like a slot receiver than is a tight end. So, like, there's a reason why you got to open it. A lot like Antonio Gates always did. Man, I was just going to say.

1:04:45Like, your game was probably a lot like him. 100%. Another Mac guy. Doggone Kent State. Kent State's getting a lot of love, man. All right. We're running out of time. We got to get to this last section. Yeah, we don't want to. We got to ask. We're going to start off. Back in March, you also became part of the J.P. Morgan Chase Athletic Council. Can you tell us more about this? Yeah, I was got asked to be on a council with JP Morgan to try to influence and educate athletes to make better financial decisions. And, you know, a lot of us grow up and look, we're good athletes and, you know, we try our best in school, but a lot of us are a little bit underdeveloped when it comes to managing our money and making good decisions, creating budgets.

1:05:27And it was put together. Jalen Brunson's there, or Asia Wilson, Dwayne Wade, or just a few of the people involved. Megan Rapinoe, just there's a really great group of people. I'm missing on some others, sorry about that. But we kind of came together and we're creating opportunities for athletes for financial literacy. And it's pretty cool just for us to, you know, make a difference in other people's lives. And a lot of us are blessed with people that give us great advice, some people aren't. So we want to be that place where people go to say, okay, well, you know, how do I make sure that I don't finish my playing career and not have any money?

1:06:05No, seriously. And it's become an even bigger issue with like the NIL and kids are getting paid earlier and earlier. And a lot of these kids in college, they've never seen any type of like, does it like I learned most of this stuff in college, right? And they're getting money before they've ever talked to anybody about it. So this is awesome, man. Very, very worth it. I spent all of my first check and regretted every second I didn't have anything to show for it. All of it went to rent and fucking shit that I don't even have anymore. Yeah, no, I didn't even have a car. I stole Jason's car. That's all right.

1:06:34I was spending money on way dumber shit than that. At least a car would have gotten me to the facility on time. No, that's awesome stuff, man. And you already know. It's something that's even bigger now with the college, how much they're making in college and things like that, like Jason said. But we have to ask, man, have you seen the clip? We had a guy, Ben Affleck, come on the show. one of our favorites. He mentioned a story about playing catch with you. Have you seen that clip? We could probably find it here, but do you know what he's talking about? To this day, aside from the birth of my children, that was the greatest day.

1:07:15I was like, dude, are you, he was like, I need someone to play catch with. Happened to be on vacation at the same place with him. So this was legit. This was as legit as it gets. That's amazing. You were helping Tom get ready for the season. I was like, I don't know how much I was helping him. I think he was like, he was like, I'm going to blow this dude. I remember we were at Baker's Bay together. This was, yeah, I needed someone to catch me. We're getting ready for football season. Hell yeah. And I was down there. It was a summer. It was quiet. And I'm like, like, hey, you know, can you catch?

1:07:51You know? And he's like, I can catch, you know? And I'm like, all right, let's go. This is so good. I got all these balls. I'm on that big field, Trav. I don't know if you saw that field. I'm on the big field. I got it painted. And I'm like, all right, let's see what you got. And you're a big, he's obviously a big Patriot. Love the Red Sox. And I had known Ben for a while. And I'm like, all right, here we go. And finally, I remember getting to the end. And I was like, I want to put a little pressure on him, see what the hell happened. And I was like, all right, fourth down. Super Bowl's on the line.

1:08:20I'm calling your number. This is the route we're running. I think it was a flag route I gave him. and uh like i'm gonna throw it see if you catch it and he got running and i put one up there and he stretched his arm out and he caught it and it was uh you know for all of us i mean can you imagine like us as kids just thinking we're gonna get paid to play football and you know throw passes and then you know think about ben he's thinking you know gonna make movies but then he's out there with this patriot player and oh i don't know man life is crazy for all i was just gonna say did Did you know it was that big of a moment for him?

1:08:51Because I mean, all of us have that sports fandom growing up of like doing that in the moment with the guys that are doing it. Like I can only imagine how he felt. You have these perspective moments. And like, I think I was, I remember being out on the field. This is late in my career. And I would have, you know, they do like those charity galas and they give away like throwing sessions. Oh yeah. And that once they're giving her out, like, all right, come catch passes with Gronk, you know, and Gronk's gonna run around and he's gonna teach you the art of receiving. And the guy paid like 200 grand.

1:09:25You know, I'll pay for an hour and do that. It was great. You know, donate the money to charity. And then I'm sitting there like, they pay me to throw balls to Gronk. You know what I mean? And to throw balls to Julian. And to throw balls to like, they pay me for that. Like, never forget. You're getting balls from Patrick Mahomes. Like, people dream. And he's throwing balls to Travis Kelsey. Like, let's never forget that type of perspective. Because when we were kids, we didn't ever have that, you know, growing up. Like, it was our dream to do this. And now they're paying you to do it. And they're paying you to do it with other people who are, you know, the best in the world at what they do.

1:10:03So I just think that's – Living the dream, baby. Yeah, exactly. Just a great perspective to keep. I'd be remiss if we get out of this interview without bringing up the old ball coach. We haven't talked about Bill one time yet. Yeah. I see so many things, and this started happening while you guys were still in the league. Like, is it Bill? Is it Tom? Like, who is responsible for the greatest era of success in the history of the NFL? How do you react to those kind of, I guess, clickbaity arguments, as well as, like, what do you think of Bill and what he meant for your success? First of all, I think he's the greatest coach that, you know, ever, greatest head coach in terms of preparing a team to win, there was nobody better.

1:10:45I was my privilege to play for him as his quarterback. There's no coach I'd rather choose. And I think it's like a dumb, it's just a dumb analogy. It's like, what's more important, the left tackle or the center? Like, I don't know. Well, left tackle. We need to be honest about that on the left tackle. I disagree. I disagree. Yeah, I think from like the coach quarterback, there's nobody more important to winning Monday through Saturday than the head coach. Especially in football. Especially in football. And there's nobody more important on Sunday than the quarterback. Now, everybody's important.

1:11:18The person who washes the clothes is important. The person who drives the bus is important. The quarterback just has an outsized kind of ability to help the team win because he touches the ball so much. But I need everybody to do their job. But if you have bad quarterback play, it doesn't matter what else you do, you're not going to win. And if you have bad coaching, it doesn't matter how well the players are doing, you're going to lose. So the tactics from the coach and the accountability, and I think the head coach is the chief accountability officer of a team too. The tactics are extremely important.

1:11:52Trap, you could run great route into the wrong coverage and not get the ball. You have an OC that draws up bad plays because he can't beat coverages. It doesn't matter what you, now you'll ad-lib and you'll be like, no, I'm not running out. I was right there with you. I was like, you know we're going to make him happen. No, baby, come on now. You're never going to be really covered. They might have you covered on paper. They'll always give you an outlet. Yeah, you're definitely going to find some color to throw the ball to. So I just think that question is like they're all important. And there's no way I could have been the player I was without him.

1:12:24And I think we pushed each other to get the best out of each other. And I think he's just incredible. Anyone who played underneath him would say the same thing. Hall of Famer should have been first ballot, man. It's crazy. One of the most respected ever to fucking do it, man. I got to ask you, you got one of my former teammates recently in New England. All right. I know now you're a Raider, but you're kind of always a Patriot. Yeah. What is the key? Who knows what happened with the relationship with Jalen and AJ? That's kind of between them. But for you as a quarterback, how do you manage receivers and their happiness and being involved in the offense and all of that stuff?

1:13:03Like, what is that from your role? It's very difficult, and I think that's the only position on offense that requires a lot of extra energy and attention because the running backs are going to touch the ball. The line, they're going to be engaged in every play. The tight ends, runner pass, you're going to be engaged in every play. It's the receivers who stand, you know, 25 yards from the ball, you know, just talking smack with the DB. Talking shit the whole time, yeah. Trying to figure out, all right, I ran my ass off and didn't get the ball. And how do I stay locked in and committed to the team when I don't touch the ball?

1:13:33And it's a hard thing. Like they're working hard to get the ball and they don't get it. So they get frustrated so easy. And I almost think like when I see these NFL off seasons, I think I swear to God, I think now like this is just deja vu. I've been seeing the same shit since 2000 when I came into the league. You know, this guy goes, gets, you know, this guy gets in trouble. He's arrested. This guy gets cut. This guy gets traded. This guy's unhappy at receiver. You know what I mean? It's like, it's, it's, it's like real housewives. of the NFL. And it's like, it's the same script. And it's like over.

1:14:08And we just, that position, it's like, I almost want to like the psychology of receiver. I almost want to say like, you're going to catch 110 balls this year. Okay. You're 17 games. You're a great receiver. You're going to catch 110 balls. One game, you're going to get 11 and one game, you're going to get three. And the next game, you're probably going to get 11. Then you're going to get three. I can't have Have you like the happiest guy in the world when you catch 11 or the most miserable guy on the team when you catch three? We got to look at over the course of year. You got to sustain because it is a lot of emotional energy that you put out to that position to go, come on, come on, we got it.

1:14:46Come on, stay locked in. Let's go. Cause I need you. Come on. And it's like that position takes away. If you have that volatile emotional output, it takes a lot of energy from a lot of people to keep that player really stable. So you got to like try to reframe it for them and just say, listen, like you may get three, but you're going to get 11 or you might get 11, 11, 11. And then, you know, three, three, it's just the way it goes. If they're doubling Travis, you ain't touching the ball. That's the reality. If they're butching you at the line of scrimmage with the defensive end and they've got, you know, some ridiculous athlete over the top of you, but it frees it up for other people and you got to be cool with that.

1:15:26So, I mean, it's, that is a, as we're going to see it again this year, you know, who's the next unhappy receiver. And I understand it. I mean, that's why I don't want to be involved in the game, you know, and Asia wanted to be involved. I covered a lot of those Eagles games, you know, and that, that passing offense isn't, that's not what that team's known for. You know, so now he's actually going to a team where they are more known for their passing offense. So, you know, there will be maybe a little more satisfaction from him from that standpoint. We want to get you out of here. We got one more question.

1:15:57We always ask everybody that comes on. What was your welcome to the NFL moment? Oh, man, it was a lot of those. I had one probably in Buffalo. I was scrambling up the right sideline. Nate Clements from Ohio State. He was a cornerback. He was a big physical corner, and I slid late, and he knocked the shit out of me. Oh, no. We got to get out. We got to get out. I got up. The helmet. I was looking around. I got taught in college, like, get your ass up. Don't ever let the defenders know your – and I was like – got up, and I was like, holy shit. No helmet on? No helmet. I can only imagine the face you were making.

1:16:37The helmet sometimes hides you. Put that head down. That's right, and then figure it all out. That was the one. Tom, cannot thank you enough. Really appreciate you coming on. This is an all-timer for us. All-timer, man. We can't thank you enough. Thank you, Tom. Appreciate the time, the stories. dog you're the best dude yeah i love you guys good luck with everything and we'll see you soon okay yes sir sounds good all righty thank you to tom brady uh once again this conversation was brought to you by xfinity trap i told you i saw him earlier this year he's just the fucking best and every he's just so he's so good with like words yeah yeah did he does that come with michigan i mean how did he get that tip i mean he's probably yeah i mean michigan does probably I didn't get that since he.

1:17:28No, Tom. Tom. I told you. I met him earlier this year, and I've always heard from everybody how just intense he is and how much he cares and the type of player he was. Yeah. And he's still like that. You meet him. Dude, captivating. He is so engaged in the conversation. He loves football so much talking about it. His teammates. His time. And he's so good at articulating all these themes and what made him successful, those teams successful. There's so many good bits on what he said that you could just fucking just... All you high school kids out there, bro, listen to what he's saying, man. Don't be a negative Nancy or bringing that weak-ass energy into the building or into school, into life.

1:18:13And it's just so hard because he's so damn good-looking. I try to listen to what he's saying, and I'm just like, what the fuck is happening? How are you the best football player of all time, a model? Did you see him on the runway the other day? Yeah. He's literally walking down the runway and looks just like a model. Gucci. How many gifts can one man have? I don't know, but. I got popular being a dumbass. Ditto. Even dumber dumbass. Shout out to Tom. That was incredible. Awesome moment to have him on the show. Hell yeah. Now we're going to send it to some exclusive live show clips. That's right.

1:18:51This clip of our live No Dumb Questions is brought to you by Enterprise. We're going to get some No Dumb Questions. Let's give it up for Mr. Jets Jake.

1:19:03The new world champion. Let's go. We think the Jets Jake tag might be a little too depressing. So how about Nick's Jake? Do we like Nick's Jake? Let's go. Here we go. What do you got for us in the no dumb questions category? Here we go. First up is Charlotte. Hi. Okay, so. Oh, okay. So I have two younger brothers. They're 10 and 14. And I swear they never let me live anything down. So if you could permanently ban your brother from telling one embarrassing story about you, what would it be? Oh, God. Wow. Man. All right. They permanently banned my brother from telling one embarrassing story about me.

1:19:49I feel like everyone already knows my embarrassing stories. Jason doesn't really get embarrassed. He just showed that he sat in dog shit in Venice. One of them showed it. It was just like, hey guys, look at this. I don't even get a chance to tell an embarrassing story about Jason. And to be fair, we don't really embarrass each other that much. I would say I would say he usually tees up the opportunity for me to tell a story where I embarrass myself so I'll tell you guys oh so not too long ago but a long time ago you want to tell us you sure yeah well it's not that bad it's just embarrassing I have face blindness you guys know I have face blindness yeah well this is an episode of face blindness I go to New York, and there's a huge festival, music festival out in the Hamptons, and I'm a huge music lover, as you guys know.

1:20:49I go with a bunch of guys from New York in the money world, so it's like a connection and finances, and I'm thinking that I'm going to be around a bunch of guys in finances at this music festival. So I get up there, and I immediately start having beverages. It's kind of the thing, the Kelsey way of going about things. and I get shit-faced. Get shit-faced. Don't even really know who's on, who's performing at the concert. I'm just kind of up there like, hey, you got any more tequila? And a guy comes up and says, dude, Buffett's here. He wants to meet you. I'm like, oh shit, that's big money. i'm like i am way too hammered to say hello to this guy i start talking finances uh i gotta go then get it together get a water where's the water where's the water so i get a water i go over to meet buffet i would shake his hand and man we have the best conversation i've ever had in my life the man is literally smiling from ear to ear i'm thinking i'm gonna be rich here soon he's gonna invite me in on all of his investments and he starts telling this story in high school when he uh he picked up the guitar for the first time and i was like right to his face no way warren buffett played the guitar

1:22:18and his face went from smiling ear to ear to not smiling at all and then got tapped on the shoulder because he had to go sing margarita Margaritaville.

1:22:32So I was his biggest cheerleader singing Margaritaville on the side. So I have an episode of Face Blindness at least once a month, and that was me mistaking Jimmy Buffett, the late, great, unbelievable Jimmy Buffett for thinking Warren Buffett was going to be at a music festival in the Hamptons. That's probably the most embarrassing story I have for you guys. Jason doesn't tell, but he loves to tee that one up for me. I love that story so much. Thank you very much. We have another question. Next up is Tara. Hi, guys. My name's Tara. I am from Vegas, but... I'm really kind. I'm very fine in Las Vegas.

1:23:14Oh, yes. I'm a kindergarten teacher in Vegas, but... You teaching them how to play blackjack or no? You know what? Gotta start young. Gotta start young. Anyways, I'm from Vegas, but I'm originally from Wycliffe, Ohio. Oh, the Wycliffe, Ohio. I love it. Right down the street. Well, yes, I used to live directly next door to Aunt Judy. Oh, my God. Shut your trap. Are you sure Aunt Judy? I swear to God. Swear to God. The festival right behind the apartment? Oh, I went to Our Lady of Mount Carmel School right next door. She's not lying. What years is this? It's legit. What? What years is this? Did you see us come through that neighborhood?

1:23:54Yeah, my mom tells me stories about your dad would bring you guys over to Aunt Judy's and Randy's. That's right. Yep, so. This is down memory lane. I appreciate you guys appreciating this connection. I know, right? Like, we are bonding. We are bonding. Is there a question? Right, yes. So, see, I'll see it now. I just wanted to know, do you remember back in the day going to Aunt Judy's and visiting and possibly two little girls that live next door that you hung out with? Because we did. Oh, man. Come on. No pressure. No pressure. Who's Aunt Judy? Your Aunt Judy, yes. My mom's name was Donna, too.

1:24:33Or is Donna. Sorry, she did not. But yeah, my mom's name is... Sorry, Mom. Sorry, Mom. But my mom's name is Donna as well. We're trying to remember the other girls, seriously. Do you remember two little girls we would visit? Yeah, I think there was a number of people in that block area that we knew. Very true. And there was a lot of kids. There's definitely families in that neighborhood. Yes. So, yes, I remember them vividly. Yes. I am going to use this time to shout out Aunt Judy. We have one of the best aunts of all time. And Uncle Don. And Uncle Don is here as well. We got some unbelievable aunts and uncles.

1:25:16And I will say this. Going over to Aunt Judy's was one of the most exciting times every time because Aunt Judy spoiled the living shit out of us. Spoiled the shit out of us. Yeah, what we didn't get from our parents, Aunt Judy made sure to have as soon as we walked through the door. She had so much candy and toys. Oh, yeah, she taught me how to be a Funko. We couldn't wait to go to Aunt Judy's. And now I go over to Jason's house and hand out bubblegums like it's candy. Thank you so much. I got the bubblegum. And she was the only person I knew that would swear at my dad, and he would just take it.

1:25:46Yeah, I love it. We love it. Thank you. Thank you very much. One more? We'll do one more later. All right. Thanks, Jake. Jake, you got another no-dumb question for me? Oh, there we go. We have two more no-dumb questions for you guys. First up is Sarah. Hello. I'm Sarah from Texas. Nice to meet you. Let's go. Texas. Mike, my question is, if you were followed around for 24 hours, what is the habit that would shock people the most? Mom?

1:26:28That would shock people the most.

1:26:35Maybe how much deodorant I put on? You put on a lot? Yeah, I mean, I'm a spray deodorant guy, but I'm like... I notice it in the green room. And then it's like, that's not the only place I have hair? Yeah. so then I'll go this is all this all makes so much more sense I'm kidding nobody does that right

1:27:05what is a disgusting habit for Jason everybody knows I don't use shampoo what?

1:27:21Kylie at one point said, you're making me break out in acne because you're not shampooing your beard. I don't know. I'm a hotspots guy. Hotspots. Hotspots. Hotspots. All right, well, there you go. Pits, pits, this and that. That's it. And this is no dumb questions, ladies and gentlemen. The questions that mean absolutely nothing that you'll learn way too much about somebody than you could have ever imagined. You should go out and get our No Dumb Questions book. Do you guys know we were authors? Yeah. Yeah. It's one of my most proud. There it is right there. I cannot read or write, but I got a book.

1:28:05What do we got next? We have a No Dumb Question from a familiar face. This is Kaysen from Texas. Ah! Kaysen, I think I know you. A little bit. So I got the Jets Jake pinup tattoo. For those of you who remember. There you go. Get that thing. There we go. He looks so much happier in a Knicks hat.

1:28:35So my no-dumb question was, I was wondering since the Cowboys won the Chiefs Thanksgiving game. The fuck? Thank you. Thank you for the ticket. I appreciate it. Ask his question. Let the man ask his question. They cheated and you know they did. Thank you for the tickets. But we had a bet. And if y 'all won, I would get you on my other thigh. But I was thinking since. I didn't know that. I forgot. Since they won and I got the Jets Jake pinup tattoo, could I chug a beer with you guys? Oh, no. Next question. The consequences chugging beers. You got lime or original? Lime. All right, these boys have been on ice.

1:29:22All right, I feel a little... I'm going to go air towards this way, Cason. I don't want this thing falling. Here we go. Here we go.

1:29:33All right, is this the chug off? Is this the three? Are we chugging off? Here we just, you know, nice little gentleman's chug. Whatever you want. Are we doing a chug off?

1:29:52What? Alright, how are we doing this? Jake, you got a whistle or something? Uh, 3, 2, 1. 3, 2, 1, are we on go? Are you going 3, 2, 1, go? 3, 2, 1, go. Alright. Ready? 3, 2, 1, go!

1:30:14You're out of your game, little brother!

1:30:21Was that as good as the pinup tattoo or no? That was great. I appreciate it, y 'all. Thank you so much. Jason, you're the man, brother. Thank you, brother. Once again, shout out. Thank you for supporting and sponsoring the live show. Yes. Nothing parties like rental. Once again, that clip of Live No Numb Questions was brought to you by Enterprise. And that wraps up another show and a season of new heights. Thank you to all the 92 %ers for tuning in. Thank you to our wonderful crew for putting this show on each and every week. It could not be possible without you guys. Thank you so much. Thank you to our wives and fiancés for allowing us to make fools of ourselves each and every week.

1:31:04Hopefully we haven't made too much of a fool for the household. All right. Once again, New Heights is a wondrous show brought to you by Expedia, the place you go to go places. 92 percenters thank you so much for tuning in each and every single week we'll see you guys next year with uh our 200th episode on the horizon man it's crazy guys it's absolutely crazy you guys are crazy we appreciate you and love you so much and uh we'll see you guys next year to our production and team we love you guys as well for always making it easy yes you brandon shout out to brandon and you jake even though you're not here we love you guys peace

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