Travis on Returning for Year 13, Jason Defends the Tush Push (Again) and New Combine Events | Ep 127

27:20Podcasting? How fast do you deliver an ad read or asking someone? I mean, listen. If I'm being honest, if a kid's trying to podcast I'm not signing I don't I couldn't even imagine doing this outside of my first like after my fourth or fifth year I do think that rookies you should if I had a podcast as a rookie it would be real bad not only would the content be bad it would have been bad for me I don't know that I would have made it I would have been a professional podcaster way earlier. Yeah. How good they are at trash talking. I actually really do like that one. Yeah. Find out what a guy says.

28:04You can learn a lot about the way you got trash talks. Some guys are just stone cold, man. They don't fucking give you anything. I know. I respect that. That's what I'm saying. That's the type. And that's the version of trash talking. Stoic motherfuckers. Yeah. Men of little words. All right. All right. We didn't gain anything from doing that, so we're going to move on. Three big combine stories. Ooh, what do we got? Colorado, defensive back and wide receiver Travis Hunter says he wants to play both ways officially. That's right. Travis said, they say nobody has ever done it the way I do it, but I tell them I'm just different.

28:33I'm a different person. I want to play 100 % on both sides of the ball, but it's up to the organization. He actually didn't say, but it's on both sides of the ball. We put that in parentheses. It was inferred. What do you think about that? Is this possible? It's 100 % possible. I mean, he's going to have to, you know, prove that he can do it. Nobody has ever played every single play on both sides. When Deion did it, he would be like a third. He was in like nickel. He was in like certain packages, I believe. I could be wrong about that. So do you think he's talking about 100 % play every single down?

29:07Corner and wide receiver. That's what he's thinking, yes. That's what he did at Colorado. Well, I'm aware he did it at Colorado. That's what I'm saying. In the NFL, he'll have to, I guess, they'll have to scheme up around him getting too exhausted. Yeah. Like they'd really have to weigh that into their play calling, both offensively and defensively. Like defense, you can't just go man and expect Travis to just run all around the field with a guy like Tyree Hill. After he just scored a 98-yard touchdown. Yeah. As an offensive coordinator, I'm sending them on a go every play. And eventually, like if you're playing offense and defense, like.

29:43Yeah, we're tiring Travis out. Yeah, the wheels are going to get at least a little worn out. Yeah, that's a great point. I haven't thought about that scheming the other team. Yeah. It's like, all right, want to run play? Run him off every time. Yeah, exactly. Like getting a new guy in there. So you'd have to scheme him to be able to play cover two. And I just think he's a better player when he's in man on defense. I think he's... Do you think he's a better man corner than a better zone corner? I just... No, he plays great in his zones. He can float around. He's got a good feel. Yeah, he has a great feel of seeing routes.

30:16He's good at seeing concepts and jumping certain routes and things like that. So he plays well off... I would say I say off the ball, but he plays well in zone coverages. But I think man coverage entices QBs to throw it at him more. Gotcha. Right. I just think when you get man to man coverage in the NFL, you're you think, oh, if I got a good guy out there, I'm taking my matchup. Sure. Right. I just think that that mentality, it can wear a guy out. And I'm not saying that he can't do it because I was blown away by what he could do in college in terms of like playing every single down. I'm blown away.

30:49I think it's smarter to find him. If he is going to do that, I think it's smarter to scheme it up to where you know you're not putting him in vulnerable position to get tired out faster. Got it. All right. Well, somebody who does think he can do it is Deion Sanders. Deion Sanders is quoted saying he's going to do it or they shouldn't draft him. Sanders told reporters, I'm going to make sure of it. Don't draft him if you're not going to give him the opportunity to play on both sides of the ball. I think he's proven that he needs to play on both sides of the ball. I think it's going to be really – I mean, yeah, I guess we'll find out.

31:24I don't know. I think it's easier for him to be on the field all the time as a defensive player and then offensively coming in on certain plays. Yeah. I think that is so much easier. Like, why have him as a first second down? Well, Deion did it the other way. He did it where he was on the field all the time as an offensive player and then did packages on defensive stands. I think he could be more influential. What's the point in certain rundowns where you know it's run to have him on the field going in there scooping out a safety. Like, could he do it? Yeah. Could I get another guy to do that?

31:55Probably. Yeah, but that's also going to be your heavy play action, take a shot down the field, and maybe you want him out there for that. Yeah, well, good luck, Travis. Yeah. I'm a big fan, brother. You want to come to KC, play both sides? Hey, there we go. That's how you get him there. We're going to pay you way less, but you can play both sides of the ball. We have like the 40th pick. We'll probably not even sniff him. Yeah. Yeah. Travis did say, Travis Hunter, that is, did say that playing both ways is harder than what Shohei Otani does. Bold statement. Very bold statement. There's no way we could possibly fucking.

32:28Well, we know that physically playing both ways in football is much harder. Yeah, we know that. We do know that hitting a baseball is probably the hardest thing in professional sports. I don't know what's more impressive. I mean, first of all, I guess Shohei is more impressive because he's actually doing it. He's not only actually doing it, but he's proven that he can - In the land of make-believe on one end, the other guy's actually happening. He's also proven that he can be literally the best at both. Sure. He was one of the top pitchers in the league before he had the surgery. It's remarkable, actually, when you really do think about it.

33:04On top of that, he was hitting home runs and stealing bases every year of his career. Yeah, I mean, listen, playing both ways would be remarkable. Good luck, Travis. I can't wait to watch it happen if it does. I mean, it would be electric. I can't wait to watch and see if it does happen. It'll definitely have. He's too good on both sides of the ball. He's proven it. He's already proven. That's the beauty of playing. Do you think he's better on offense or defense? I haven't seen enough of it. What kind of receiver is he? Is he an outside receiver? Is he a guy that can play in the slot? Dude, he's a fucking all-around athlete.

33:32Just whatever. You can put him anywhere on the football field. You can give him the reverses. You can do anything with him on the football field. He didn't run, right? So we don't have the time from the combine. No, but when you watch him run, you're like, yeah. Yeah, he's got it. You can tell. Yeah, no. It's one of those where it's like, yeah, I don't need a stopwatch on that. We should probably throw him the ball. Some of those guys where you don't even need a time. You're like, him. What's his 40? Don't know. Yep. But I know it's good enough. Yeah, I've seen him run. I've seen him run. Like when you watch Jerry Rice run, you're like.

34:02He was a 4 '7 guy. There's no way. A thousand percent. I find it so hard to believe that he's out running DBs in the NFL. Just shake. Dude, I've looked it up. It's anywhere between a 4-4 and 4-7. I've heard 4-7. There's no way. I don't know who's telling me, but I've heard 4-7 more. At the combine. What combine? The NFL combine. No. He was like a D-4 player. They weren't running at the combine back then either. He was a D-4, but you're a D-3 player. I don't think they were running at the combine when Jerry was coming out either. It was only medical. Bill Walsh said he ran a 4-6. Bill Walsh said that?

34:41Who the fuck is Bill Walsh? Shut the fuck up. So Bill's probably giving him a friendly time there too.

34:53Or he's saying a ridiculously slow time to show just how great he was as a football player. There's only one way to solve this. We need to ask Jerry himself. Jerry, the goat, can you please tell these Jamokes you were not a fucking 4 '7 in the 40, Doc? I mean, what if he was? He's still the best receiver. What does it matter? I know what 4 '7 looks like, Jason. Maybe he just was a notorious slow starter. Maybe he just was a strider. Dude, there's no way. This dude was quick off the ball, and he had a fucking great stride. Jerry wasn't a burner. He was a freaking route runner. Dude, why was he always behind the defense?

35:26Because they were terrified of the comeback and all the other stuff he was running underneath, and he would, and then go right past him. True. He's a great route runner. He sold it all. I concur. Yeah, well, you're not a great route runner unless they're terrified of you going deep. And you have to have speed to do that. I'm just saying, sometimes you're smooth and it all looks the same. Dominic Goodman. Dude, didn't plan out in the NFL, but very good college. Shout out to Coleraine, Cincinnati. Last bit of combine news. Sources have told Pat McAfee's show, shout out to Pat McAfee, that Saquon Barkley has signed a massive two-year extension with the Philadelphia Eagles.

36:01Nice. 20.6 average per year. That's million, in case you were wondering. I mean, deserves every penny of that. Yep. 36 million guaranteed at signing. Damn. 15 million available in incentives. Ew. I wonder what those incentives are. I don't like that. That's a lot of money in incentives. I don't like that one bit. You mean I actually have to play and earn it? What? Does he have to get a 2 ,000-yard season every year? I'm betting that - Fuck. So, yeah, I'm betting that a lot of these are max values with, like, the way I used to be structured with how I'd be, like, there'd be playoff incentives, Super Bowl incentives, Pro Bowls, All Pros.

36:40And then with running backs, usually you'll add in yards. So you have to, like, rely on someone's vote to get your incentive? That's, for offensive linemen, it's typically how it happens. It's pretty shitty. Damn. Yeah, no. That's fucked up. I mean, I always hit mine, so it always worked out. It's because you podcast. Always podcast. That's right. That's why you should definitely start podcasting as a rookie. Yeah, I'm betting that a lot of these are just like kind of guaranteed ways of the Eagles to be like, hey, we want to pay you this money, but we need, you know, if injuries happen or something happens.

37:11We're not paying it. The max value. But he's still getting broke off. I mean,$36 million guaranteed at signing is. I mean, that's damn good. That's unbelievable money for a running back in today's NFL. And he deserved every penny. I mean, he proved how valuable, not just how good he is as a running back, but like his big play strike ability. You could tell he was one of the leaders on that team. Oh, that too. I mean, just a great freaking dude. And it probably frees up a bunch more space to sign other guys. This is typical Howie Roseman. Chess when everybody else is playing checkers. All right.

37:41Great delivery. I got nothing. Another offseason news. Sticking with the Eagles. Everyone debating the tush push. Green Bay Packers GM Brian has submitted a rule. GM Brian has submitted a rule proposal to ban the Tush Bush quarterback sneak. I mean, listen, I get it. I would want to ban it, too, if we sucked at it and it wasn't a mechanical advantage. The only issue I have that I take up with people is people saying it's not a football play, it's rugby. I don't know what's more of a football play. I really don't. What represents football? Physicality, toughness, will. We're going to fight for half a yard.

38:21You know what's coming. We know what's coming. and we're just going to bulldoze against each other like machines made of meat. I don't know what we're – it's completely about football. I think to some people football is like, oh, look at this pretty Pius concept design. It's like that's not fucking football. I just don't understand. That's a different side that is – this is what football has become. This is about pure physicality and advantage for the offensive lineman because we know the snap count when it's coming and where we're going. Don't get me wrong. Jason's having fun with it, but I just don't understand what the proposal, like why stop it?

38:58I think, one, people want to ban it. People want to ban it because, one, some people have like a safety concern on the play. They think that it's more dangerous. In my experience, it is not a play that has much of an increased chance of injury on it. Do guys get hurt on it sometimes? Yes, but so does every other play that you run in the NFL. Typically, it's more of a grueling play. The plays where you get hurt are usually like these high-impact collisions or somebody gets landed up on wrong or twisted, and that just doesn't happen that much on that play because everybody's just nose-diving forward to try and get as low as possible and push for a yard.

39:34Does it suck? Yeah. Is it a fun play to run? No. I mean, except when you get the first down or a touchdown. But is there an increased chance of injury? I just haven't seen that in my experience with the play. Is there an increased chance of you being fatigued? and hating your life, yeah, but it's worth it for a yard. And then the other thing is I think people just think it's an unfair play for the offense, that they can push. My argument to that is you guys can push too. It's not like you're just pushing on the offensive side. You guys can hunker down in there and push and accumulate mass. I don't know.

40:11It doesn't feel like teams across the league are as good as the Eagles are at it, so it feels weird to try and ban this play for an advantage that it seems like really just one team majorly has. Yeah. In my opinion. I mean, they're not trying to ban the quarterback sneak. They're just trying to ban the way you guys have perfected it. Yeah. Like, do we ban, if it's an unfair advantage, like, do we ban Saquon Barkley from running with the football? Because that seems like an unfair advantage to me. You know what I mean? And that does it for the news news. The news that we have, the last bit of news.

40:47and if any of you have any off-season questions, please leave us a question in the comments. Yeah, we'd love to answer them. Yeah, or not answer them. Don't really have much else to talk about, so now's your chance. Yeah. We're going to be answering a lot of questions. Trying to make it big? Put on a comment. Dumber the better. Yeah, that's about all you got. All right, now the L.A. Food Court. That's right, we're going to do a little taste test for you guys. Oh, give me these calories. All right, L.A. Food Court is brought to you by Suave. Man, how about it? You got a little suave going right now.

41:19You're the suave. Take that hat off. You got the suave. I'm not doing that. All right. Maybe just a little. Yeah, look at that. Ooh, look at that hair. Gosh. Putting this thing back on. I can't believe you haven't started balding. What? We're Kelsey's. I'm balding, Travis. I'm getting thin up there. Where? No, it's just a widow's peak, not up top. You're good up top. No, it's going thin right through. That's why you do it to the side? I don't do anything. I just wake up. I don't do shit to my head. All right, here we go. We're doing a little food taste test for you guys. Moving on to a little New Heights Food Court.

41:50We have a very special theme this week on the Food Court. We'll be trying foods that we missed out on because we skipped Jake's wedding. Jake, I can't wait to judge the food you had at your wedding. I know. Do you know how fired up I would be to go to a wedding that's not what? Do you want chicken, steak, or fish? Yeah, you were invited. I don't remember getting the invite. It's on your fridge currently. Well, you know you're supposed to send that stuff to Emily. I did. That's right. We decided not to attend. It was in the fall. It was during football season. We couldn't go. Yeah, we still chose not to go.

42:24Okay. Okay. We were busy, Jason. Sorry, Jake. All right. So we're told these are all L.A. staples. We have Heavy Handed, which is a burger out here, a burger spot out here. We have La Sorted, which is a pizza spot out here. And we have Tacos 1986. 1986. Which I would assume means they've been open since 1986. Yeah, what is that? That's not even like an impressive. Yeah, like they just started making tacos. In 86, like that. I mean, I guess it's, actually it's close to 40 years now. I mean, I can tell you right now, I'm not trying the tacos. That's all you, Jason. You're not going to even try it?

43:04No, I'm not trying those. Why? I'm looking at them, I'm like, I'm not trying those. Travis, come on, it's Jake's wedding. We didn't go to the wedding. We at least got to try the food. Food number one, heavy-handed, burger and fries. All right, this feels weird eating a fry. without ketchup. It is a smash burger, in case people are wondering. I can tell right away from looking at it. This is probably the roughest way to ever do a food test. It's kind of unfair. It has been sitting around a little bit, so heavy-handed, we apologize for these ratings we're about to give you. I mean, cold fries. It's just so hard.

43:33I can't even rate this. Let's just go burger. Let's just go burger. Out of all the cold fries you've had, were you? I'll say, for a cold fry, absolute horse shit. I'm just going to be honest. There are certain fries that hold up well with age and this is not one of them. Other fries that do not hold up well with age, McDonald's. McDonald's are great if you catch them right out of the fryer. The moment they aren't hot, they're fucking terrible. It's layered with onions. I'm not eating this. Don't do a food. You can't have me test food that I'm not going to eat. Everyone knows my criteria. I don't think everybody doesn't know your criteria.

44:11Everyone knows I don't eat onions. I can tell you that I don't know that everybody doesn't know because I don't know what your criteria is. Other than white sauces and onions, those are the only two I know. Well, there's onions on that one, so. How is it, Jason? It's absolutely delicious. Nice. There is definitely a heavy McDonald's taste in this. Ooh, a little Mickey D's. Mickey D's was out here in the West Coast, started out here. A lot of people don't know that. It's a Big Mac style sauce. Ooh, I'm in on the Big Mac. It's very good. I'm in on the Big Mac minus onion. It's a very good burger.

44:39Nice. If this was warm, it would be incredible. And I will say, I think this is better than Five Guys. No. I don't think it's even a question. That's better than Five Guys? I'm not a... Oh, wait. You're thinking of In-N-Out. I was thinking of In-N-Out. I screwed that up. I was about to say. It's definitely better than In-N-Out. Five Guys. I think it's probably better than Five Guys, too, if I'm being honest. You're more of like a smash burger type guy anyways, though. I don't discriminate. I am on a mission to find the best burger. I've been trying to... I'm trying burgers all over the place. I love burgers.

45:10Nice. I got a burger spot for you. There's one in L.A. called Frankin' It Up. It's just a food truck in Santa Monica or something like that. Yeah, I'm out on food trucks. Well, it's not even a truck. It's just like a guy set up in a residential zone. I don't even know if it's permanent, but the fucking guy makes a great burger. At least after 15 micheladas. One out of 10. One out of 10, where are you going? For a cold burger, one out of 10. Those pickles are great. They're very good. I like pickles now. For a smash burger, nine. I'm not heavy. I need a really good burger. I need a really good burger.

45:44I'm not heavy. For a smashed burger, what it is, if this was warm, I'd be like devouring it. I mean, you are. You've taken four bites, and it's already gone. That's your fourth bite right there. Cold fries definitely get them warm. All right, heavy-handed. Got a nine. That might be one of the highest scores Jason's ever got. Can you not just take the onions off? Food number two, La Sorta. Peppers. And cheese. We have a cheese. We have a cheese. Cheese? Nah, it's too childish. I can do peppers. I can do peppers. I don't prefer it, but I can do peppers. I don't think peppers on pizza go great, but I'll try.

46:21Ready? You still got it.

46:28Okay. Great sausage. Alright. A little pepper and hamburger meat. It's not bad. I'm like positive that's sausage. Yeah, probably a sausage. I looped the two in Can we get confirmation? Sausage and peppers I mean it's pretty good It's very good It's pretty good I fucking love a good like Detroit style pizza A New York style pizza But I don't know I don't know It's not like cheesy enough Or like enough sauce for me It's a little dry I do agree There could be more sauce Yeah And more cheese The bread and dough actually I'm in on though I'm in on the bread and dough I'm in on the bread and dough The sausage is really good The flavors are fantastic I like that it's got a little bit of red.

47:09Does it have red pepper flakes on it? Yeah, 100 % it does. I'm in on that. I'm in on a little spicy. I don't think long green peppers should be on a pizza. That's good. That is a good piece of pizza. It is a good piece of pizza. I'm going, see, I'm a pizza fucking guy, dude. It's also hard. It's just in a warm pie. It doesn't matter. Pizza, cold or hot, can be fucking delicious. Sometimes cool pizzas. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. You don't always get that with burgers. As it lingers and I get more of that spice, I like it. The bite is pretty solid. I'm going a solid seven.

47:44I'll go a seven on that. It's got really good crust. The texture of the dough and everything, they nailed all that. Yeah. If it was just a little more robust with the ingredients, it would just really. Really just knock those taste buds out. It might be perfect. It would be right up there. I mean, it would be real good. I'm going to go 8.2. you threw it up there you're pretty generous right now I think you're just hungry I am I am on a diet caloric deficit so this food tastes amazing compared to food without fats and sugar we're right up your alley nice so we got a 9 from heavy handed I'm also trying to gauge because it's not like right out of the oven trying to be a little bit generous anticipating that to be look at you fucking good Samaritan well heavy handed 9 uh la sorta um I go 70 goes 8.2 so that puts us at about 7.6 this fucking taco good luck that avocado has been sitting out oh I thought that was like bean sauce it's avocado it's just been brown because it's been oxidized avocado if you don't eat it immediately just oxidizes are these all the same no this looks like chicken Chicken is possible.

49:04What did you have at your wedding? I mean, unless they have, unless you had tofu tacos. We got all the tacos at the way. Love the tortilla. Big corn tortilla only. I used to eat flour tortilla. All we ate. All we ate was flour. All we ate was, yeah. I still eat them. I can't fucking eat flour tortilla. I can do it. Maybe there's a seafood taco. No, I got you. I can't. Like, eating a flour tortilla now just feels so gross. I love the crunch. No, I'm out. You don't get them the way they're supposed to be. Flour tortillas? Yeah, you probably get them a little soggy and they're not as crunchy and as fun as the...

49:41I'll still go to Taco Bell and get two and two. I'll get too soft, too hard. It's a good chicken taco. Chicken taco, by far, least favorite taco of all the time. Sure, what is this? Do you have like an alpaca? What's that? Is that pork? I think that's carnitas. All right, let's try the carnitas. Jesus Christ.

50:04caloric deficit

50:09you got the eyebrows up you know it's a good thing you get those eyebrows to go up that means you've surpassed expectations or there's a little jolt of flavor town that he was I mean it's a great taco I will say let's wrap it up I mean they're good tacos tacos are one thing that I feel like the more off the beaten trail you go, the better the tacos are. It's just the way I feel with tacos. The more commercialized it is, it's just not as good of a taco. If I'm catching this out of somebody's back of their vehicle that they drive, it's going to be the best fucking taco I've ever had in my life. Dude, Taco Bell made a living on selling rat food.

50:49They're good. They're very good.

50:54Oh, yeah. He's going for the moon pie. What the fuck is this? It's a mulita. Melita. Is that like a real thing or is that like a gordita? No, it's a real thing. Looks like a quesadilla to me. It's a Donald quesadilla. It's a taco burger. The heavy breathing is the fucking illest part of this entire thing. I mean, it's hard because corn tortillas should be eaten fresh. God damn. All right, we got to give it one out of ten. Where are you going? I bet with all this being fresh, these are probably about as good of a commercialized taco as you can get. But, like, the last time I was in L.A., I went to, like, the street that Whole Foods is on in Santa Monica.

51:38I'll eat those tacos over these any day of the week. Harder to order from. I would say I will give these a 7-8. 7-8? Nice. So, well, that does it for Food Court brought to you by Suave Men. And shout out to Jets J for getting married. How about it? I had no idea that guy. What are your ratings for these foods, Jake? Burgers are 10. 10? 10 out of the burger. Okay. Nowhere to go. Nowhere to go. Just never be tough. It's my favorite burger in LA. It's easily my favorite burger in LA. Well, it better be your favorite in the world if you're giving me a 10. You're giving me more than one 10 in LA. All right.

52:19Erroneous. This is where you and I disagree.

52:24All right, go ahead. Pizza, 8.5. All right. And tacos, I'd give a 7.3. 7.3? Yeah. Nice. Nice. You guys are kind of on the board. I think that's pretty... Nice. Yeah, we're in the same ballpark. That does it for Food Court. Sorry for my chewing. New Heights Food Court brought to you by Suave Men. That is it for this show. That wraps up another episode of New Heights. Make sure you subscribe on the YouTube to the New Heights channel. To the YouTube. To the New Heights channel. and follow New Heights on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus now in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.

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53:34What's the point of writing an Audible?

53:47I got a nice sweater on. That's a cardigan, Jason. Is it a cardigan type of sweater? Look at you, you little schoolboy. You look Amish in this thing. I had a Jeff cap on too. Eastern PA? I had to take off. They made you take off your hat? No, I took it off because I was trying to be polite. Does that work? I don't know. Justice is justice, whether it's polite or not. Oh, you have not been to court, have you? I'm a criminal justice major. you want to do it i don't know you sure you just use that part and move on all right