In short
Yemen’s escalating conflict and Houthi advances are driving a Djibouti refugee crisis and threatening global shipping through the Bab al-Mandab Strait; the episode also covers Germany’s CDU election fallout, Alzheimer’s trial recruitment, and other newsroom items.
Guests (and backgrounds)
- Frank Gardner, BBC security correspondent; reports from Obok refugee camp in Djibouti.
- Tanik Koch, journalist covering German/European politics; former communications advisor for the Christian Democrats.
- Bill Yeats, Australian living with early-onset Alzheimer’s; participated in a clinical trial.
- Chris Lynch, acting chief executive, Alzheimer’s Disease International.
- Kyle Chan, Brookings Institute fellow focused on China tech and U.S.-China relations.
- Jennifer Otter-Bickerdijk, American cultural historian/pop culture expert.
Key claims
- Over 125,000 displaced in weeks; tens of thousands flee to Djibouti across the strait.
- Houthis control Yemen’s Red Sea coast, shelling range of Bab al-Mandab; Saudi-flag tankers may be targeted, raising oil prices.
- Camp conditions are grim but guarded; food/water and shelter provided.
- Alzheimer’s trials delayed by low awareness and insufficient volunteers (need 350,000 to sustain trials).
- CDU faces leadership pressure after failing Germany’s 5% threshold.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOEscalating Conflict in Yemen
0:15 to 1:14
Discussion on the Yemeni conflict and its implications on global energy.
“and how the rapid gains by the Houthi rebel group there have global implications.”
Yemeni Refugees in Djibouti
1:14 to 3:48
Report from Djibouti on the conditions faced by Yemeni refugees.
“I'm in a place called Obok, which is on Djibouti's Gulf of Tajura, just beyond the Babel-Mandeb Strait that separates Africa from the Arabian Peninsula.”
Impact of Houthi Gains on Global Economy
3:48 to 7:43
Analysis of how the Houthi advancements affect global oil prices and trade.
“Frank, what are the conditions in the camp and are many more people expected to arrive there?”
CDU Party Election Results in Germany
7:43 to 8:08
Transition to coverage of the CDU party election results and implications.
“very damaging state of affairs for it, not to mention the huge humanitarian cost for all those Yemeni refugees I've just been speaking to.”
Reactions to CDU's Election Results
8:08 to 12:34
Discussion on the CDU's leadership challenges and future strategies.
“We're coming off a terrible weekend for Germany's governing CDU party.”
Upcoming Museum of Narrative Art
12:34 to 13:04
Preview of George Lucas's new Museum of Narrative Art.
“And more information on the German election results and the fate of the governing CDU party on the BBC News website.”
Alzheimer's Research and Clinical Trials
13:04 to 14:00
Overview of Alzheimer’s disease research and trial participation issues.
“I felt very, very strongly about in terms of honoring illustrators, artists, I think, who illustrate stories that are already written.”
Bill Yeats' Journey with Alzheimer's
14:00 to 19:26
Learn about Bill Yeats' personal experience with Alzheimer's and clinical trials.
“you're listening to news hour we're going to look now at the latest research that's hoping to find a cure for alzheimer's disease it's a neurological condition that's often grouped together with dementia.”
Challenges in Alzheimer's Clinical Trials
19:26 to 22:22
Explore the difficulties in recruiting participants for Alzheimer's research.
“why is it increasingly difficult to find people to take part in clinical trials?”
Presley Gerber's Life and Challenges
23:34 to 27:20
Discuss the life and struggles of Presley Gerber and his legacy.
“I'm Tristan Redmond from The Global Story, and I've been speaking to the massively popular U.S.”
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U.S.-China Relations and AI
27:20 to 28:03
Get insights on the upcoming U.S.-China summit and discussions on AI.
“Jennifer Otter-Bickerdike speaking about the life of Presley Gerber, who's died at the age of 27.”
U.S.-China AI Dialogue: Initial Steps
28:03 to 30:05
Discusses the recent U.S.-China talks on AI, emphasizing potential for cooperation amid competition.
“Treasury Secretary, Scott Besant, has said he's met with his Chinese counterpart, the Vice Premier, Khilifeng, ahead of the leaders' summit.”
The Duality of AI Risks and Geopolitics
30:05 to 33:14
Explores the contrasting speeds of AI development and geopolitical negotiations between the U.S. and China.
“If anything, perhaps Trump and Xi could say something to the effect of AI is a great opportunity and also a major risk to both countries and that they want to work together in some capacity to mitigate the risk.”
China's Strategy and Trust Issues
33:14 to 35:07
Analyzes China's approach to AI development and the underlying trust issues affecting U.S.-China relations.
“Do you think Xi Jinping trusts Donald Trump and his administration enough to really engage seriously when it comes to AI?”
BBC Investigation: Cover-up in Indonesia
35:07 to 40:11
Reports on allegations of sexual crimes at an Islamic boarding school in Indonesia, detailing a cover-up.
“The investigation has also uncovered further allegations against him and evidence the school tried to suppress them.”
George Lucas Museum Opening
40:11 to 42:05
Highlights the opening of the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art and its dedication to visual storytelling.
“For the full investigation, you can search for World of Secrets wherever you get your BBC podcasts and watch on World Service YouTube.”
Exploring the Lucas Museum
42:05 to 44:45
Discover the unique vision and architecture behind the Lucas Museum.
“People who, artists, I think, who illustrate stories that are already written.”
Understanding Aufgass Sauna Performances
44:45 to 48:20
Learn about the immersive and creative practices in Aufgass sauna performances.
“And last, we're always eager to expand our vocabularies on NewsHour, and here's another entry towards that effort, the term Aufgasssana.”
Transcript
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0:07Hello, welcome to NewsHour from the BBC World Service. Coming to you from our studio in central London, I'm Celia Hatton. We've been speaking a lot on BBC News about the conflict that's been escalating in Yemen and how the rapid gains by the Houthi rebel group there have global implications. The Houthis now control much of Yemen's coastline, giving them the ability to threaten the Bab al-Mandab Strait that runs along there. If the Houthis exercised that power to stop oil and gas tankers to pass through the strait, it could have a huge effect on future global energy costs. The conflict in Yemen has already had an immediate effect for the people living there.
0:47More than 125 ,000 have been displaced in the last few weeks. Yemen lies on one side of the Arabian Peninsula below Saudi Arabia, and Djibouti lies right across the Bab al-Mandab Strait from Yemen. The proximity between the two, Yemen and Djibouti, has led tens of thousands of Yemenis to escape to safety there. Our security correspondent, the BBC's Frank Gardner, is in Djibouti for us. He spoke with us shortly before we came on air. I'm in a place called Obok, which is on Djibouti's Gulf of Tajura, just beyond the Babel-Mandeb Strait that separates Africa from the Arabian Peninsula. The reason I'm here is that this is where Yemeni refugees, thousands of them, have fled to to escape the fighting.
1:31And I've just been I've spent the morning in a refugee camp that's jointly administered by the Djibouti government and the UN High Commission for Refugees. And honestly, Celia, it's heartbreaking talking to people who in many cases have fled with just what they're standing up in. These are not economic refugees, migrants, anything like that. These are people fleeing desperately from war. And I spoke to one father who said, almost with tears in his eyes, he said, how could I just sit there when my children are shaking with fear from the bombs being dropped from the air?
2:11How could you sit when your kids are screaming and shaking, frightened? When the sound of the plane starts and the kids hear the planes, the kids start shouting, screaming. As parents, it is our responsibility. What can you do when you see this? That is why we fled. So save them.
2:31Most of the people here are in the worst condition, inside the tents here. I'm very touched. I'm crying for these people, for my people, for their suffering. I want our voices to be heard by the NGOs and the Djibouti government. and I'm thankful to them for accepting us. The overriding message I got is that it's not about people taking sides. They didn't take sides. They didn't say they were pro-Houthi, anti-Saudi, pro-Yemen government, none of that. This is about the danger. And they said the thing that terrifies them and their children more than anything are the explosions coming everywhere.
3:07But it's pretty clear that most of those will be coming from the Saudi airstrikes because the Houthis have done this lightning dash down the Red Sea coast of Yemen, taking over towns such as Al-Khoja and Dhubab, where a lot of the people I spoke to are from. And so these fishing communities have got in their boats and fled, often taking hours to get across this narrow strait in rough weather, braving winds and the risk of capsizing and braving pirates too, for that matter, to reach safety and shelter here in Djibouti, which is not a rich country, but there is this pre-established camp that's been here really since the fighting flared up in Yemen back in 2015.
3:47But in the last few days, over 3 ,000 Yemenis have arrived here. Frank, what are the conditions in the camp and are many more people expected to arrive there? Well, about 50 people have arrived in the last 24 hours, 50 plus. Usually they arrive either on foot from where they've made landfall or they make contact with the UN and the UN finds them there and they bring them in in trucks. The conditions, how can I put it? I mean, look, it's a camp, so it's going to be grim. You know, I needed to go to the toilet and people just pointed behind a shipping container and said, go there, a patch of waste ground up city covered in human excrement, just swarming the flies.
4:30So that wasn't good. But in terms of safety, it seems well guarded. The Djibouti army turned up. It seems to be perfectly safe. There's no threat to them from the war spilling over. And there is food and water distribution. I didn't see people going hungry. There was distribution that was underway. There is shelter, so there are tents there. And there is cover in a big warehouse for some of those 3 ,000-plus that have just arrived. They're sitting on tarpaulins with their families. There are goats there nudging around amongst discarded plastic bottles and gas canisters for cooking. But, you know, at the end of the day, it's a camp.
5:08They're displaced. This is not where they want to be. You know, if it was safe in their own country, they'd go back tomorrow. That's what some of them said to me. But I think the chances of that are pretty slim. Tell me more about that, Frank, and the Houthis' recent gains. Are they expected to continue? Well, the Houthis have surprised and shocked everybody, including the world community. by how quickly they have raced down that Red Sea coast, what's called the Tehama coast, because they now are within shelling range of ships passing through the vital strait, the Bab al-Mandeb, which in Arabic means the Gate of Tears or Gateway of Tears.
5:47And that matters because the Houthis have said, don't worry, to global shipping, you can pass through, but any Saudi flag tankers, we're not going to let through. Well, that's pretty important because the Saudis have been able to circumvent the constrictions on the other side of the Arabian Peninsula, on the Strait of Hormuz, due to the Iran-US war. They've been pumping millions of barrels of oil across a trans-Arabia pipeline, the east-west pipeline, loading it onto terminals at Yanbur on the Red Sea. And then some of that in the smaller ships is able to go through the Red Sea. But the big VLCCs, the very large crude carriers, they head south down the Red Sea and out through the Babal Nandeb Strait to markets in Asia like China and India and elsewhere.
6:34Well, that's not now possible unless they want to risk being shot at, shelled and droned by the Houthis. So it's impacting the global economy, driving oil prices up, leading to future shortages. So the big question is, does this war escalate or de-escalate. And China is amongst those countries that have tried to de-escalate. And the Chinese foreign minister, Wang Yi, has recently received his Iranian counterpart, because Iran is a part of this. Iran is an ally of the Houthis. They're sometimes called an Iranian proxy, but I think that's misleading, because the Houthis don't necessarily do what Iran wants them to do, but they are trained, armed, funded, and very much allied to Iran.
7:19So you can see the way this is working for Iran. Iran is under huge economic pressure from the American blockade in the Arabian Sea, which has choked off the exports from Iran to world markets. And Iran has said, fine, you want to play that game? Well, we're going to make it difficult for you. So Saudi Arabia, being a big ally of the US, is not able to get all its oil exports out. And that's what's happening there. Question is, is what can Saudi do to reverse this very damaging state of affairs for it, not to mention the huge humanitarian cost for all those Yemeni refugees I've just been speaking to.
7:55Frank Gardner reporting from Obok on the coast of Djibouti.
8:08We're coming off a terrible weekend for Germany's governing CDU party. In state elections, the party failed to reach the minimum 5 % threshold to enter Parliament. It's the worst ever result in that area, with the far-right AfD party coming out on top. And in Berlin, the CDU's former stronghold, the party came second to a left-wing rival. Here's what the chairman of the CDU, the German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, had to say in a press conference a little earlier.
8:42Ladies and gentlemen, this election marks a profound turning point. It is a dramatic and unprecedented result for the CDU in Germany that we are unable to clear the 5 % threshold and that an entire parliamentary group has been voted out of the state parliament. This is a severe blow, and its repercussions will be felt by us for a long time to come. We will have to discuss the consequences of this for a long time to come. So what now for the CDU? Its leader, Friedrich Merz, has described the elections as a disaster, but so far he's holding on to his job. Tanik Koch is a journalist writing for German and European publications.
9:19She used to be a communications advisor for the Christian Democrat administration. Tanik, with these election results now known, will Friedrich Merz have to resign? Well, that's the basically million euro question, but it's tricky. So he's for a while now basically lost authority, most importantly among his own rank and file, his Christian Democrats. Also, if you consider the polls, he's the most unpopular chancellor since the beginning of polling. So that really, really doesn't help. On the other hand, for a German chancellor to resign, It's not half as easy as for a British prime minister to get changed and replaced.
10:07So at the moment, there is a fight within the CDU. But there's no real crown prince that could sort of take over immediately. So it would cost time. Actually, right now, nobody knows whether he's going to survive the next days or weeks. Even yesterday on election night, the heads of state or the German states run by CDU You had a meeting after meeting in the party headquarters without Friedrich Metz for hours. And it's sort of slowly now what was there. There are basically two wings, one, the more stable one, let's keep him. And the other one, we need to change at the top leadership. But again, sort of changing a German chancellor midway or not even midway, he's in office for only a year and a half, isn't as easy as it sounds.
10:58He's been urging patience to allow for time for the CDU's economic reform policies to unfold and to show some results. Do you think that strategy might work to win over voters? Well, he may have sort of taken a page out of Angela Merkel's sort of his inner party competitor, the reason he left politics 20 years ago, out of her playbook. because Merkel, when she was under pressure because of the refugee crisis, told her party leadership, give me time. I need to get the deal done with Erdogan to lower the numbers. Just give me time, give me two weeks, give me three weeks, etc. So this would work if in two weeks' time, three weeks' time, two months' time, Merkel had anything to show for.
11:50The really, really risky thing at the moment is that the reforms, that's the pension reforms, which is overdue for three decades, they're trying to push through with the Social Democrats, is now because of the elections, because of the Social Democrats sort of fearing even further losses among their electorate, may not be as sort of reform as it should be. And if the CDU sort of recoils from what they had planned, because it's going to be tough on society and on their electorate. If they're required, then the CDU may be, I mean, they're already up in arms, but it may get even worse. Okay, Tana, we'll have to leave it there.
12:34Tana Krohe is a journalist writing for German and European publications. And more information on the German election results and the fate of the governing CDU party on the BBC News website.
13:03Coming up, we get a sneak preview of Star Wars creator George Lucas's new Museum of Narrative Art. I felt very, very strongly about in terms of honoring illustrators, artists, I think, who illustrate stories that are already written. In the beginning, especially for the few thousand years, that was the only way you could tell a story was with pictures. Some other stories we're tracking in our newsroom this hour. A huge Belgian-led international police operation targeting drugs gangs has seen nearly 500 people arrested, mainly in Latin America. And 1.6 million people have been urged to evacuate as the typhoon sweeps past eastern Japan, bringing heavy rainfall and high winds.
14:04you're listening to news hour we're going to look now at the latest research that's hoping to find a cure for alzheimer's disease it's a neurological condition that's often grouped together with dementia. More than 60 million people are living with dementia globally, and that's set to rise to 139 million in the next 25 years. The good news is that there are groundbreaking treatments in the works, but that could slow the progression of Alzheimer's and dementia and even lead to a cure. But today, research are saying that those breakthroughs have been delayed because there simply aren't enough people to take part in clinical trials for those treatments.
14:41First, I spoke with Bill Yeats from his home in Queensland, Australia. He's living with early onset Alzheimer's and he started by telling me about when he first discovered he had the disease. It came as a bit of a shock. I'd spent four years looking after my father who passed away of dementia. As a senior physics and chemistry teacher, I started to forget the names of the boys and girls who were in my class. I found that I couldn't remember the equations. It was just me. I just didn't understand. And then when it started to reflect in my role as a deputy principal in terms of administration of the school, tasks that would normally take me a couple of hours would take me days and if not weeks.
15:25So it was really very much that after that, going to seek some help and saying, what's actually going on? So once you received the diagnosis, I understand you took part in a clinical trial. How did that go? Well, I have an identical twin brother, and luckily for me, he shows no signs, but he was also involved in clinical research. And together we sat down, and both of us agreed that if there was a hope for me, then I needed to find a clinical trial, need to be able to get access to a novel treatment. And for that reason, I decided not to follow the amyloid hypothesis or the tau hypothesis. I actually chose to go really left field and I saw my Alzheimer's being caused by stress as my trigger.
16:17So I went for a clinical trial that involved neuroinflammation and reducing that in my brain. And the results for that have been quite encouraging. I've been now receiving that drug for just over four years. I understand, though, that the trial itself ended after a couple of years. Is that right? In my case, I was in a phase 1B, which is really just working out FSC, what dose would work. At that point, my results were quite encouraging, which then allowed me to make an application to the Australian government and say, based on my results, could I have what we call special access to this drug? And I was given it for two lots of two years.
16:57So that was really good. And when I went to phase 2, it didn't reach the expectations. and suddenly where I was using this drug, it was terminated. My future, I thought, was based on having this weekly injection and when it was suddenly removed, it really left me flat. Bill, when you hear that globally there's a severe shortage of patients who are able to take part in clinical trials for Alzheimer's disease, how does that make you feel? Because you've talked about the fact that you're pinning a ray of hope on some kind of medical breakthrough. I only knew about a clinical trial thinking that it was a possibility through my brother.
17:39People actually don't think of putting their hand up and saying, I could actually go into a clinical trial. There's a lot of selection criteria that you have to meet. And then you look at the methodology of how they're actually going to conduct it. And what I found and I saw in this report was that there was a real awakening in terms of if we're going to look at clinical trials and actually invite and get people to participate in clinical trials, then there's a lot of work that has to be done. Because at the moment, not only do you have a small percentage of people living with dementia going into the clinical trials, there's also a huge dropout rate.
18:22And with so much happening in this sector at the moment, to me it's pivotal. if we're going to make these advances happen as quickly as possible. How optimistic are you now that new medical breakthroughs might be able to help you? Years and years ago, I really, I dreamt of being that person, the first person to become a survivor of this condition. But for me now, my perception of the word survivor doesn't mean that. It means being able to live a more enjoyable life, a life that has meaning and purpose for me. So my involvement in clinical trial, I think, is really, it sits in that area where I know that it will be too late for me.
19:06That's actually not a problem. What's more important to me is that I can help be involved in a clinical trial and hopefully some very useful data comes out. So at some point in the future, we'll have a cure for this. Bill Yeats speaking to me from Coulomb on Australia's Sunshine Coast. Now, if dementia and Alzheimer's are so common, why is it increasingly difficult to find people to take part in clinical trials? Chris Lynch is acting chief executive of Alzheimer's Disease International. What are the challenges with getting trials underway and completed? We are in unprecedented waters, really, in terms of the science and research for Alzheimer's disease and other types of dementia as well.
19:52For the first time ever, we've got a really solid burgeoning even pipeline of clinical trials for Alzheimer's disease. There's currently over 150 in phase two and phase three trials, which is unprecedented. In terms of the treatments that are coming out of those trials, just in the last 18 months, we have the first ever disease modifying treatments that are now starting to get regulatory approval around the world. It's the first time ever that we've been able to see through treatments a slowing down in the progression of Alzheimer's disease. In terms of the trials that are currently taking place, they are focusing on a real breadth of areas around Alzheimer's disease, including how to modify the trajectory of the disease, but also symptomatic treatment trials as well.
20:45And those trials are also now starting to push into areas like risk reduction and prevention, which will certainly gain a huge amount of attention over the next decade. I mean, that all sounds quite positive. So what's holding up the completion of these trials? Why is it so difficult to find people to take part? The real challenge to this is a combination of the numbers of people that we need to come forward for trials. There are currently about 55 ,000 people participating in trials. But just to sustain that level of trial, we need 350 ,000 people around the world to volunteer for trials. And at the moment, there's extremely low awareness of clinical trials for Alzheimer's disease and for other types of dementia as well.
21:31That's, again, a combination of factors. certainly from the healthcare perspective. Healthcare practitioners, often at the point of diagnosis, they either don't have the time or their own awareness is extremely low of what clinical trials are available for Alzheimer's disease and dementia. And we really do need both government and the healthcare systems to increase that level of awareness to start to facilitate it. I think a lot of that is born out of the fact that people genuinely do want to participate. There is a number of reasons for that. You know, some of it is altruism, investment in the future, but sometimes it's also self-preservation and their thoughts about themselves and their own risk of the disease in the future.
22:15Is it one problem that perhaps Alzheimer's and other forms of dementia are often inflicted on people in later life? Could that also be a challenge in trying to reach out to older people in order to get them to participate in trials? Age is obviously a big risk factor for dementia. It often becomes symptomatic in the 70s, but we know that the pathology actually starts 20 years earlier than that in the 40s and the 50s. And the risk for that often starts much earlier in life as well. And that's why the recruitment really for clinical trials can be quite difficult, particularly if you're looking for people that are pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic to come forward to volunteer.
22:58Chris Lynch, Alzheimer's Disease International.
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24:05Welcome back to NewsHour. News today that Presley Gerber, the son of the supermodel Cindy Crawford, has died at the age of 27. He was a model in his own right, and his family had spoken before about his difficulties in dealing with his mental health. For more, let's speak to Jennifer Otter-Bickerdijk, who's an American cultural historian, writer and pop culture expert. Jennifer, tell us who Presley Gerber was and what's happened. Hi there. Thank you so much for having me. He was really best known, of course, for being the son of these two very famous people. and he followed in the footsteps of Cindy, started modeling when he was a teenager and he made his runway debut for Machino and then went on to do Dolce & Gabbana.
24:50So these weren't small contracts that he had. He was right up there in the big leagues for sure. And something that is really interesting, I think about him is that even though he grew up with extraordinary privilege, he talked a lot openly about the idea of his public identity and what it was and trying to find himself. And I think he really struggled with that. And so tell us more the circumstances around his death. What do we know? Well, we don't have a confirmed what exactly caused it. He was in a rehabilitation facility when he passed away. And he has, again, gone on the record and talked a lot, actually, about his struggles with mental health, having panic attacks, addiction issues, issues, depression, and how he was trying to manage all of those things.
25:40So while we don't know exactly what happened, he was definitely trying to get help for these things when, unfortunately, we lost him. Indeed. He's also spoken, and his family have spoken, about how they were quite a close family growing up. Yeah. And I mean, again, this is something that's a little bit of a contrast, is that he has talked about being from a loving family, getting on well with his parents, but then And he also has rejected the idea of that polished, perfect celebrity family image. And he has talked, I mean, I think this is really big, especially now when the whole idea is the Nepo baby.
26:17I never can say that word, Nepo Nepo. But the idea of if your parents can open the door for you, who are you away from that? What is it that you are actually doing yourself? And I think that that was a big thing for him that was problematic. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, even his sister has spoken as well about how close they were. He leaves behind a sister, Kaya Gerber, who's also kind of a well-known supermodel. And she's spoken as well, too, about how close the two were. Yeah, I mean, doing the same job and probably being on the road. And again, I could see there probably being the two of us against the world kind of vibe.
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26:55And what I mean by that is I keep coming back to that. I mean, if money and access is not an issue for you, you kind of, who are you outside of having these famous parents and what the world is telling you you are and what you should do? And I could see them having a very close sibling bond because of that, because nobody else really understood what it was like to be in that family, except for the two of them. Jennifer, thank you. Jennifer Otter-Bickerdike speaking about the life of Presley Gerber, who's died at the age of 27.
27:34This is NewsHour, coming to you live from London. I'm Celia Hatton. We're just a few days away from the arrival of China's leader Xi Jinping for a three-day state visit to the United States. Xi and Donald Trump have a list of thorny issues to discuss, from tariffs to the fate of the island of Taiwan. But there's a third T, tech. That's the focus of a lot of global attention, and calls for the two superpowers to sort out a framework on artificial intelligence. The U.S. Treasury Secretary, Scott Besant, has said he's met with his Chinese counterpart, the Vice Premier, Khilifeng, ahead of the leaders' summit.
28:11Mr. Besant offered an upbeat assessment of their talks, calling it a very successful, and adding that both sides discussed greater communication on AI threats. What we discussed was setting up a mechanism. So it's going to be called the U.S.-China AI dialogue. We've agreed to meet again. We have the U.S. has proposed that we have a notification mechanism between the two countries. And we want a shared vision of common goals and common threats. What can we really expect from the U.S. and China? Two rivals to actually agree on when it comes to AI. Kyle Chan is a fellow at the John L. Thornton China Center at the Brookings Institute.
28:59He's also an expert on China's technology development as well as U.S.-China relations. I think Scott Besson's announcement was a big first step. It already overturned some beliefs that the U.S. and China could not compete and cooperate at the same time or that China was simply not interested in talking about AI sincerely. So I think there's actually some room for potential progress going forward. And I think that's what this is about. There are a lot of details that are clearly not there. There are a lot of details that are missing about the notification mechanism and the AI dialogue as it's structured going forward.
29:37It's not clear who's involved. It's not clear what are the criteria for an incident rising to the level of national security and needing to be notified for the other side. But it is useful that this is already on the table. And for the summit, I would be surprised if there were further, more concrete announcements. I think probably a lot of the details are being hammered out directly between Scott Besson and his Chinese counterpart, Hali Fung. If anything, perhaps Trump and Xi could say something to the effect of AI is a great opportunity and also a major risk to both countries and that they want to work together in some capacity to mitigate the risk.
30:19Even something as general and high level as that would also be a useful signal to the AI communities and societies in both countries that the leaders are trying to work on this. Aren't we moving past the need for just a general signal, though, don't you think, Kyle? I mean, we're hearing these serious concerns from the leaders of some AI firms that things really could be getting out of control, could even threaten the future of humanity. And yet, at the moment, we're talking from what we know about a notification mechanism. Isn't it fair to say that maybe they're moving a little bit too slowly?
30:55Maybe they're aiming a little bit too low? It's true. There are two speeds going on right now. One is the speed of the technology itself and the pace of the risks. With incidents like the OpenAI accidental hack of Hugging Face and increasing incidents where we have AI systems running out of control and doing things not intended by human users, those risks are growing and they're growing rapidly as the technology improves rapidly. That's one track. The other track is the geopolitics. And unfortunately, that moves much, much more slowly, given all the deep distrust between the US and China on a whole range of issues, and now including the intense competition over AI.
31:41So yes, I agree. I think on the one hand, things need to move much, much faster. On the other hand, though, in some ways, we can only run so fast on the geopolitics. A lot of groundwork needs to be done still on building up some degree of trust. Can you help shed some light on how the Chinese side is thinking going into these talks? You've talked about China's technology strategy before. You've called it the chipping away strategy. Can you tell us how the Chinese leadership thinks and how it affects Xi Jinping's approach to the U.S. when it comes to AI? So on the one hand, AI is a huge opportunity for China.
32:18They see it as kind of a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity where China and the U.S. are the global leaders in this really critical strategic technology. And China is hoping to leverage this for a whole range of benefits, not just improving its economic growth and productivity, its military, but also its global stature. And so the announcement, for example, by Xi Jinping this summer of the World AI Cooperation Organization, headquartered in Shanghai, is a sign that China wants to use this to win over friends and gain influence around the world. That's on the one hand. On the other hand, though, one thing that's very striking is their perceptions of the risks are changing.
33:03And while they see a lot of upside to being a technology leader in the space, they also see increasingly some of the downsides. Do you sense that the trust is there? Do you think Xi Jinping trusts Donald Trump and his administration enough to really engage seriously when it comes to AI? At this point, no, there is definitely a lack of trust. And not only that, there is a huge amount of uncertainty over the U.S.-China relationship. So I think that at this very early stage, what the two sides have agreed to doesn't require so much trust. They didn't agree to anything that would impose real costs to either side.
33:47There was no talk of slowing down jointly the progress of AI development in both countries. So that's really notable. And I think it is on that very, very thin foundation that these talks are going forward. Kyle, a week from now, when this summit is over, should we be panicking if these two big players on AI can't find common ground, can't move forward to establish some kind of governance mechanism? I think that we have to think about this in the medium to long term. There will likely be fluctuations in the near term. There could even be steps backwards. So the way I see this is it could very likely be a two steps forward, one step backward type of progression.
34:31But I do think that this was a major first step. So hopefully going forward, if in, say, two months, the two countries can have their first official round of this AI dialogue, I think that would be a meaningful second step, perhaps eventually a path towards climbing up the ladder of greater cooperation on this area. But in the meantime, there are so many tensions in the relationship that could erupt into some broader issue, whether it's trade, whether it's the Iran war, whether it's something else entirely. And then on top of that, the technology is changing as well. So that will also play a role in shaping these dialogues going forward.
35:11Kyle Chan of the Brookings Institution.
35:18in indonesia a bbc investigation has uncovered a years-long cover-up at a prominent islamic boarding school involving allegations of sexual crimes by the son of its founder known as bechi he was jailed in 2022 for sexually assaulting a student at the school but bbci has exclusively recorded footage of him as a free man after serving less than half his sentence. The investigation has also uncovered further allegations against him and evidence the school tried to suppress them. Indonesia's National Commission on Violence Against Women says sexual abuse in Islamic boarding schools known as Pusantrian has reached an emergency level.
36:00This report from the BBC's Rebecca Henshke.
36:05It's July 2022 Hundreds of students and followers gather behind the iron gates Of the Siddiquia Islamic Boarding School in East Java Their fists raised They chant that they're prepared to defend the school with body and soul Outside the gates are riot police in black helmets shields and battens at the ready. They're here to arrest Buki. But the school supporters are not going to let them in. It takes nearly 1 ,000 officers and a 15-hour siege broadcast live across the country before Buki is finally arrested. Put on trial for the rape of one student, He was found guilty of the lesser charge of sexual assault and sentenced to seven years in prison.
37:04But BBCI can now reveal the allegations against him go much further. Buki grabbed me by my hair, dragging me by my hair. But what I can never forget was he said while raping me again, don't you realise you're just my slave? Former student Ira Puspita Sari says she was raped by Bukki for years, beginning when she was just 15. She's speaking publicly for the first time. I cried every day. I felt my body was dirty, unacceptable. In 2018, after leaving the school, she reported Bukki to the police. When the school found out, she said she came under intense pressure. My house was constantly watched by Buki's people.
37:58I didn't have a safe place. I was terrified. Ira says she and her father were then summoned to a meeting where she met Buki's mother. She secretly recorded their conversation. You can hear Buki's mother telling Ira that her son perhaps made mistakes and apologises. But then she demands Ira withdraw her police report, telling her to say nothing happened, it's only family business. Fearing for her safety, Ira signed a statement retracting her allegations, a decision she now deeply regrets. And now the BBC has heard that he's been secretly released early. after serving less than half his sentence.
38:49I, undercover reporters posing as loyal followers, went to his house on Eid. In a side room he was blessing people. Approaching on their knees like others in the room, they came face to face with him. Indonesia's Ministry for Immigration and Corrections told the BBC he was given early parole due to legal sentence reductions. Ira watched in shock the footage of Becky greeting supporters. Now he's free. It's like nothing ever happened.
39:33He feels as if he has won and I've lost. It makes a complete mockery of the law. The BBC put the allegations to Buki and his mother. They did not respond. Ira has rebuilt her life with a family of her own. I was always told, if you do this to Buki, your life will be ruined. But I'm going to prove that my life won't be ruined. I'll be more successful and I'll come back stronger. That report by Rebecca Henschke. For the full investigation, you can search for World of Secrets wherever you get your BBC podcasts and watch on World Service YouTube.
40:34You're listening to NewsHour. Star Wars creator George Lucas has spent the last 20 years planning a museum to house his vast art collection. It's finally opening in Los Angeles on Tuesday, and to celebrate, George Lucas hosted a star-studded party over the weekend with Oprah, Katy Perry, and Steven Spielberg among the VIP guests. The BBC's Regan Morris couldn't make it to the party, but she did get a sneak peek at the museum. It looks like it's from a galaxy far, far away. But the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art is right here on Earth, in South Los Angeles, not too far from Hollywood. The new billion-dollar museum houses a starfighter.
41:15I'm standing right underneath it. It's got original C-3PO and R2-D2 droids, and Luke Skywalker's Landspeeder. Some of the most iconic Star Wars memorabilia imaginable. But this is not a Star Wars museum. The movie art takes up a fraction of the space in this collection from George Lucas, the man who brought us both Star Wars and Indiana Jones movies. The museum is dedicated to the history of visual storytelling, from cave paintings to ancient sculptures to Norman Rockwell to Banksy street art graffiti. George Lucas says it bothered him that illustrators he worked with on movies were not considered serious artists and that their work was rarely displayed in museums.
41:57It's something that I felt very, very strongly about in terms of honoring illustrators. People who, artists, I think, who illustrate stories that are already written. And most of the stories are myths. They're not real. But the illustrations make them real. And as a result, in the beginning, especially for the few thousand years, that was the only way you could tell a story was with pictures. Thank you for being here. Thank you so much for doing this. Tracy Bates, CEO of the Lucas Museum. I know this is not a Star Wars museum, but when I walk into this building it does feel like I'm entering a spaceship.
42:39How do you describe the Lucas Museum? Well, in terms of the architecture, the plan was always, you know, my young son is another creative genius force like our brilliant founder, George Lucas. so there's always been a plan that the building itself would be an art it would be a sculpture so that future generations hopefully especially children would look at the building and say that looks really important the art in it must be really important we never put a value on any of the artists here there's no hierarchy around the entire gallery space you can have a Picasso next to John Philip Falter, next to Pat Hand, which is one of the original dogs playing poker images, which we're very lucky to have here.
43:24It's from 1894, and I love that that's here because growing up in the Midlands in the UK, everybody had a bad version of dogs playing poker. Do you have a Picasso here? We do. We have a Van Gogh, we have a Picasso. We have many deemed incredible artists, but the thread through all of it is it's a story so narrative art is a story in one frame so you'll be able to look at it and understand a story you don't need wall text at the side to explain that so we do have Picasso's etc that fit that mold where you can see a story in real time and does George also dislike it when we because I think a lot of people do at least at the start the intro to this space call it a Star Wars museum?
44:11He's very wonderful in having no opinion on how people feel about him or Star Wars over 50 years. So what he does want to make sure is that people understand that it isn't just a Star Wars museum. He's only 7 % of our entire gallery hang is Star Wars. George Lucas is known for creating worlds adored by fans around the world. It took him nearly 20 years to build this museum. And it's transformed the skyline of South Los Angeles and transfixed those of us lucky enough to get a sneak peek inside. Reagan Morris in Los Angeles. And last, we're always eager to expand our vocabularies on NewsHour, and here's another entry towards that effort, the term Aufgasssana.
45:01It's a story told through a multi-sensory performance that's staged inside a sauna. Participants use sound, heat, lights, and even towel-based choreography. It's all designed to take their sweaty audiences on a journey. There's even an ALFGOS World Championships. It took place in Germany outside Berlin this weekend. I'm joined now by Deborah Carr. She was on the jury for the championship, the World Masters of ALFGOS. She's also the founder of ALFGOS UK. Deborah, thanks for joining us. Tell us all about ALFGOS Sauna. It's a growing wellness trend. Hi there. Yes, it is. It's growing globally and growing super, super fast.
45:42It's gone, particularly in the UK, something that we never even heard of four or five years ago to something that's been embraced really well. Amazing. I mean, the first thought that came to mind when I started understanding what it was is, isn't it uncomfortable for the performers to have to pull off something in a really hot, essentially very hot, sweaty box? Yeah, it is a hot, sweaty box. And no, it's not uncomfortable at all. It's actually, it's part of their job and their role. And it's something that they do on a daily basis. So it's a little bit like a sport in that you build an endurance and your tolerance to the heat.
46:23Amazing. So tell me about some of the performances that did really well over this past weekend. It's amazing because it really allows the creative juices, if you like, to flow from the Alphagos Masters, because what we want to see is that them creating their own stories and something that they've made themselves. So it makes it really interesting because we've had stories from sort of like childhood to the team story. This year was about an orphan who had an imaginary friend to stories about the savannah to adaptations of movies and books. So it's very wide, very varied and very creative. So how do the participants use the elements inside a sauna, the heat, the steam to build on the stories that they're trying to tell?
47:20Yeah, so what they do is they try to make the story really immersive. So one of the things that is obviously the heat, but also is smell. So they use a lot of essential oils and aromas that help take us on that journey. So they can kind of smell the journey as well. It's very theatrical. So the sauna masters will wear a costume. There'll be sounds and lights. Sometimes there's a screen in these big saunas as well. So there's almost like a movie backdrop to it as well. So it becomes like almost like a 360 experience. Wow. I mean, some people might say they just want to relax when they go to a sauna.
47:57Why do you think this is so popular? I think because it is quite relaxing because you have all the amazing health benefits of being in the sauna, but you have that entertainment factor as well. So you kind of it takes the mind off the heat as well. OK, Deborah, thank you very much for joining us. That was Deborah Carr. She was on the jury for the championship, the World Masters of Aufgass. She's also the founder of Aufgass UK. I'm Celia Hatton. From me and the rest of the team on NewsHour, thanks for joining us.
48:50Can politicians improve our economic fortunes? Dave Ramsey says no. I'm Tristan Redmond from The Global Story, and I've been speaking to the massively popular U.S. money guru who says if there's a financial crisis, it's on us. When you borrow on credit cards and take out a$1 ,200 car payment on a freaking Range Rover, you've destroyed your life, not the president. For the full interview, listen to The Global Story on BBC.com or wherever you listen.
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Fighting on Yemen's west coast has prompted thousands of people to flee by boat across the Bab al-Mandab Strait to Djibouti over the last ten days.
The crossings were sparked by an offensive by the Iran-backed Houthi movement to take control of a key island and seize the strategically important port of Mokha. We have a report from a refugee camp in a small port town where officials are preparing for the arrival of up to 10,000 refugees.
Also in the programme: Germany's chancellor admits the latest elections were a disaster for his party; artificial intelligence expected to be a core part of talks at Xi Jinping's state visit to the United States later this week: and a raft of potential medical breakthroughs for Alzheimer's disease.
(Photo shows Yemeni people fleeing clashes in their country gather to receive supplies from the International Organization for Migration at the Markazi refugee camp after arriving in Djibouti on 18 September 2026. Abdourahim Arteh/Reuters)
