In short
The episode is a BBC NewsHour roundup covering: (1) Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei’s funeral week after he was killed at the start of the February US-Israel war; (2) life and ceasefire fragility at the Strait of Hormuz; (3) BBC Eye findings on Meta/Instagram running ads promoting child sexual abuse material; (4) a study on Adriatic bottlenose dolphins increasingly following trawlers due to prey depletion; (5) other global items including Sudan’s looming disaster risk, NASA’s Swift telescope rescue, Japan’s first sitting mayor taking maternity leave, and a UK discovery of a rare 1776 US Declaration of Independence copy.
Guests
Omid Khazani (Iranian journalist in Tehran); Taraneh Fatalian (BBC Persian); Nawal Agmar-Rafi (BBC senior investigations correspondent, reporting from Bandar Abbas); Nawal al-Maghafi (BBC, reporting under restrictions); Brian Boland (former Meta VP); Divya Arya (BBC Eye reporter); Nicholas Entrup (Ocean Care); Li Feng (UN human rights rep in Sudan); Nathaniel Raymond (Yale Humanitarian Research Lab); Regina Caputo (NASA Swift project scientist); Kurumi Mori (BBC Japan correspondent); Graham Moore (National Archives curator).
Key claims/examples
Iran’s funeral is delayed for security; coffin displayed at Grand Mosala Mosque; millions expected in Tehran; new leader hasn’t appeared publicly. Hormuz: Iran may close the strait if ceasefire breaks. Meta/Instagram: ads allegedly link to child abuse content; automated review may miss violations; Meta denies knowingly targeting. Dolphins: >3/4 boats followed dolphins now vs 10% in 1990s; photo-ID shows learned scavenging. Sudan: UN warns El Obeid could mirror El Fasher; debate includes cholera risk vs mass-killing imminence.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOMourning the Supreme Leader
0:42 to 1:40
Discussion on the mourning events and implications of Khamenei's death.
“First today, in Iran, mourners have begun paying their respects to the country's supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, who was killed at the start of the war launched by the US and Israel in February.”
Security Concerns During Funeral
1:40 to 2:26
Exploration of the security measures and challenges surrounding the funeral.
“culminating in his burial in his hometown next Thursday.”
Comparing Khamenei's Funeral to His Predecessor's
2:26 to 4:30
Analysis of the anticipated scale of Khamenei's funeral compared to Khomeini's.
“Why is his funeral only taking place now?”
International Community's Response
4:30 to 5:34
Discussion on who from the international community is attending the funeral.
“and after it is carried in the streets of Tehran, it's going to be sent to the religious city of Qom.”
Messages from the Iranian Authorities
5:34 to 8:20
Insights into the messages Iranian authorities aim to convey during the funeral.
“Joining me live here in the NewsHour studio is Taraneh Fatalian from BBC Persian.”
Life in Bandar Abbas Amidst Conflict
8:20 to 9:48
A look at daily life in Bandar Abbas while reflecting on the ongoing war.
“Meanwhile, a fragile ceasefire between the US and Iran might be holding, but one of the world's most strategically important waterways remains under intense scrutiny.”
Impact of War on Local Communities
9:48 to 13:20
Focus on personal stories from the local market reflecting the war’s effects.
“I want to speak to him about what he thinks about this war and about the ceasefire and its fragility.”
Headlines Overview
14:01 to 14:38
Get a summary of key global news headlines, including Iran and Sudan.
“The UN says a catastrophe is unfolding in Sudan's North Kordofan state, accusing the paramilitary rapid support forces of executions, torture and sexual violence.”
Investigation on Instagram Ads
14:55 to 18:45
An investigation reveals Instagram's troubling ads promoting child exploitation.
“This report by Divya Arya contains descriptions that some listeners might find distressing.”
Dolphins Following Fishing Trawlers
18:45 to 21:56
Explore the changing behavior of bottlenose dolphins due to food scarcity.
“block links to third-party websites hosting this material, remove ads and accounts found to violate their policies and report such content to the authorities.”
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Ecological Concerns in the Adriatic
21:56 to 23:36
Discuss the implications of overfishing and the need for better fishing practices.
“So you have a clear sense of the groups involved, of the individual animals involved in that type of behaviour.”
Global Story Podcast Introduction
23:36 to 24:14
Hosts of the Global Story podcast discuss the origins of 'made in China'.
“When you hear the phrase made in China, what do you think?”
Taylor Swift's Wedding Anticipation
24:14 to 27:36
Cover the excitement surrounding Taylor Swift's rumored wedding in New York.
“Fans of Taylor Swift are heading to the streets of New York around Madison Square Garden Arena.”
Crisis in Sudan
27:36 to 28:00
Examine the ongoing humanitarian crisis in Sudan and urgent calls for action.
“This is NewsHour from the BBC World Service.”
Humanitarian Crisis in El Abade
28:00 to 31:18
Learn about the escalating humanitarian crisis and warnings from UN representatives regarding El Abade.
“where thousands of civilians were killed in violence last October that Amnesty International described as a crime against humanity.”
Potential Disasters in El Obeid
31:19 to 36:00
Explore the risks of humanitarian disasters in El Obeid and the implications of external support in the conflict.
“So could the city of El Obeid be another El Fasher?”
NASA's Swift Observatory Rescue Mission
36:01 to 40:21
Discover the mission to save NASA's Swift Observatory and the challenges involved in the operation.
“Thank you very much for that, Nathaniel Raymond, Executive Director of the Humanitarian Research Lab at the Yale School of Public Health in the US.”
Japanese Mayor Takes Maternity Leave
40:22 to 42:00
Discuss the national debate sparked by a mayor taking maternity leave and its implications for women in leadership.
“You're listening to the BBC World Service live from London with NewsHour.”
Cultural Expectations on Maternity and Paternity Leave in Japan
42:00 to 44:34
Learn about the challenges women face in Japanese politics regarding maternity leave and changing attitudes towards parental leave.
“Yeah, I mean, the biggest issue I want to point out, though, right now and the conversation surrounding her mat leave isn't really about she's a woman and she's taking leave versus a man who would take leave.”
Discovery of a Rare Declaration of Independence Copy
44:34 to 48:05
Discover the significance of a newly found copy of the Declaration of Independence and its historical context.
“July 4th, we will have the greatest show of all on the National Mall.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. When you hear the phrase made in China, what do you think? I'm Tristan Redman. And I'm Asma Khalid. And together we host the Global Story podcast from the BBC. And today on our show, we look at the origins and evolution of made in China, because it actually wasn't inevitable. What we're talking about is the world's largest communist nation is at the beating heart of the capitalist system. For more, listen to The Global Story on bbc.com or wherever you get your podcasts.
0:41Hello and welcome to NewsHour from the BBC World Service. We're coming to you live from London. I'm Paul Henley. First today, in Iran, mourners have begun paying their respects to the country's supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, who was killed at the start of the war launched by the US and Israel in February. Today he sees the start of a week of events during which Iran will curate the image it portrays to the world, beginning with the display of the Supreme Leader's coffin at the Grand Mosala Mosque in Tehran.
1:20Alongside his are the coffins of four family members, including a toddler granddaughter killed with him. Khamenei's foreign policy centered on the promotion of Shia Islamism in the region and on exporting the Islamic Revolution. Days of funeral ceremonies and processions are planned in cities across Iran and Iraq, culminating in his burial in his hometown next Thursday. I've been speaking to Omid Khazani, who is an Iranian journalist in Tehran. There is an enormous security build-up in Tehran as the procession is going to kick off tonight. Actually, delegations from different countries are still arriving to pay tribute to the late leader of the Islamic revolution.
2:06And, you know, there's checkpoints across the city. And the city is not a normal functioning city anymore because it is expected that more than six or seven million people from across the country arrive in Tehran in the next two or three days. Ayatollah Khamenei was killed on the first day of the war, the end of February. Why is his funeral only taking place now? It was obvious that Iranian officials are not going to hold such big, big event for the late leader when there is the chance of further escalation between Iran and the United States and even Israel. They had to make sure that the security of the processions and funeral is guaranteed somehow.
3:00And I mentioned that the coffins of other members of the Ayatollah's family were on display too. Has there so far been any sign in public of his son who took over as supreme leader? The new leader, who is the son of the late leader, has not shown in public yet. and all we had so far are the written, even not oral, written messages read out by other officials from his behalf. It's not so clear that if he's going to show up for the funeral of his father on Monday, which is going to be a huge, huge procession with millions of people on the streets. Can you tell me how the funeral of Ayatollah Khamenei compares to that of his predecessor, the founder of the Islamic Republic, Ayatollah Khamenei, in 1989?
3:57As far as I was 10 years old at the time, it was a big, huge ceremony. And it is said that it's been recorded as the greatest funeral in history and it carries the Guinness record. But I, as a journalist, I expect that the funeral of the leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, will be even much, much greater than that. and after it is carried in the streets of Tehran, it's going to be sent to the religious city of Qom. And also there are news that they may also hold kind of procession, a funeral ceremony in the holy cities of Najaf and Karbala in Iraq as well. But finally, it's going to be laid in rest in the religious city of Mashhad, where he's a hometown.
4:57And the events of this week will be a big opportunity for the government in Tehran to project, to curate its image about the strength of the country. What message will they be sending, do you think? Obviously, it will send a great message to the world that the Islamic Republic as a government and establishment is still hugely popular with its people and people are enormously supporting its leaders and establishment and authorities. That was Omid Khazani, who's an Iranian journalist in Tehran. Joining me live here in the NewsHour studio is Taraneh Fatalian from BBC Persian. Welcome, Taraneh. Thank you.
5:41Who is attending this funeral from the international community then? Well, so far, as well as the senior officials in Iran that have shown face today, we have seen some arrivals from senior officials from neighbouring countries and some other countries like Belarus. So far we have seen senior officials from Tajikistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Belarus, Pakistan. These are either the leaders of the country or the parliament speakers who have attended so far. Representation from the government in Moscow would be something of a coup, wouldn't it? Probably, yes, probably. And do we know if anyone from or close to the Trump administration is attending in any capacity?
6:28It's very unlikely. The Iranian officials have made it very clear that they do not want anyone from the West. They said that they haven't invited anyone from the West attending their ceremonies. And it seems like they're still a bit sore about everything that has happened in the past few months. So I don't believe anyone would be invited. And if they were, it's very difficult to guess if they would go to Tehran. Let's talk a bit more about the message the Iranian authorities want to project here. How would you sum it up? Well, the Islamic Republic is in a very difficult position right now. The leader of the establishment has been killed along with dozens of other senior officials.
7:23And it's in quite a rocky place. And it seems like with planning this, as they say, the funeral of the century, they want to show that they are still standing, they are still powerful and they're not going anywhere. And any sign of dissent would be publicly stamped on, wouldn't it? Publicly, yes, absolutely. But on social media, we're saying a lot of people cheering the death of Supreme Leader. Many people remember him as the big dictator of the country. So they're happy that he has been killed. They're reposting the picture of his coffin as, I quote, therapy, and they remind him, they remember him as a person who is responsible for so many lives.
8:20Many thanks, Taraneh Fatalian from BBC Persian. Meanwhile, a fragile ceasefire between the US and Iran might be holding, but one of the world's most strategically important waterways remains under intense scrutiny. Control over shipping through the Strait of Hormuz has proven to be Iran's key bargaining chip to end the strikes and to bring the US to the negotiating table in the first place. The BBC World Service's senior international investigations correspondent, Nawal Agmar-Rafi, has travelled to the southern Iranian port of Bandar Abbas. And this is the first international broadcaster to report from the strait itself to see how Iranians at the heart of this crisis are living through an uncertain peace.
9:07We're on a fishing boat off the southern coast of Iran, heading out into the strait of Hormuz. It's early in the morning and already the stifling heat is overwhelming. As we sail further out to sea, we find dozens of boats anchored, waiting for permission to move. We are right at the heart of the Strait of Hormuz. And behind me is an international ship that's been captured by the Iranians. It's easy to forget how vital these ships are for day-to-day life. They're carrying fuel, they're carrying fertilizer. And when they're stopped, prices go up for all of us. In the last few months, this waterway has become a bottleneck and a crucial weapon for Iran.
9:47We're in the car driving across Bandar Abbas City on our way to the mayor's office. I want to speak to him about what he thinks about this war and about the ceasefire and its fragility. We arrive at a government complex and meet Mehdi Nobani in his office. He's been the city's mayor since 2021. There are many in Israel and in Washington who say this war has been a success, they've killed your supreme leader, they've killed multiple military commanders, they've attacked military sites, weapons depots, radar sites. What would you say to that? Not at all. Iran has been successful because Israel and the US haven't reached their goals.
10:30If the ceasefire breaks down, Iran will close the strait for sure. As that fragile ceasefire continues to hold, life carries on as normal. We're heading out to a local market. The alleyways are lined with produce and motorbikes weave through the crowd. I'm just walking around the market in the heart of Bandar Abbas and it is bustling with people. It's quite late in the evening, around 8pm, and it's packed. People are buying fruits, they're buying cherries and grapes, which are quite popular here. There are shops that are selling sunglasses, selling toys, and each one of them is quite busy because the weather here is scorching hot and so the day really starts at night.
11:16And it's made me think that Bandar Abbas is always seen through the lens of its strategic importance, through the lens of the Strait of Hormuz and the impact it has on the global economy. but we very rarely see it through the eyes of its people. They've had no say in this war and yet they're the ones that have had to endure it. And so it's very interesting just walking around and speaking to people about the impact it's had on them and how it's affected their lives. We meet two women, Fatima and Mesoume, who are selling fruit from their stalls. Most are still too afraid to speak, scared of the repercussions.
11:56Fatima has begun selling peaches once again. Her son lost his job during the war. Her family now relies on what she alone can bring home.
12:09We didn't want a war. Trump wanted a war. He attacked us unexpectedly. We didn't want this. The rhythm of the market has returned, but war is still the topic of conversation. Nearby, 40-year-old Masumi is listening and wants to join in.
12:37Everywhere is a problem. It causes a lot of economic issue, but that's war. Everyone needs to get used to it. We need to be patient. Standing amongst the people of Bandar Abbas, it becomes clear that this city's story can't be told through the lens of geopolitics. Behind every calculation about global trade is a family whose life hangs in the balance. The BBC's senior international investigations correspondent Nawal al-Maghafi was reporting from Bandar Abbas in Iran on condition that none of her material was used on the BBC's Persian service. Those restrictions apply to all international media organisations operating in Iran.
13:20This is the BBC World Service. We're live from London. We're NewsHour.
13:38Coming up, just as the US is about to celebrate its 250th birthday, a remarkable discovery is unveiled in the UK. There were these big letters, declaration on the top, and I thought, wow. So I called over to my boss and said, I think you need to come and have a look at this. I opened it up and realised it was a declaration of independence in the United States of America. I could feel my stomach sort of thinking, oh, I think I need to calm down. Two other headlines. The UN says a catastrophe is unfolding in Sudan's North Kordofan state, accusing the paramilitary rapid support forces of executions, torture and sexual violence.
14:20And Iran's president has paid his respects to the country's late Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei in the first of a series of public funeral events.
14:37I'm Paul Henley and this is NewsHour, live from the BBC in London. A BBC Eye investigation has discovered the tech giant Meta is running paid advertisements on Instagram in India promoting child sexual abuse material. The ads use terms including rape and child video and they link to content on other platforms. Here's a warning. This report by Divya Arya contains descriptions that some listeners might find distressing. It began with a video on my Instagram feed, a clip of an Indian influencer. Her style is flirtatious, even provocative, but it's not pornographic. Watching that video led to more.
15:23Instagram's algorithm quickly began serving up similar content and my feed soon filled with accounts I'd never searched for. Increasingly, sexual and explicit videos featuring scantily clad women. Everybody know I'm a good girl. Is it? Using a new phone and an alias account, I followed the trail laid out by Instagram's algorithm to see where it would take me. Within days, and in violation of Instagram's own policy, I was shown an advertisement featuring naked men and women having sex. Then it took a darker turn. The ads started promoting material involving exploitation of children. They linked out to apps where users could buy videos of child sex abuse.
16:09One ad showed what appeared to be a 7 or 8-year-old girl crying, with text indicating she had been sexually assaulted. I reported it to Meta. They replied, saying the ad did not violate their guidelines. While Meta does have safeguards in place to remove and report material showing the sexual exploitation of children, it appears that illegal content can still slip through the net. not just as user posts, but as paid advertising. I worked at Facebook for 11 years in a variety of leadership roles, helping to shape product and market strategies. Brian Boland is a former vice president at Meta. He helped build the company's ad strategy, but later left Meta and publicly raised concerns about user safety on its platforms.
16:57When an advertisement hits, is uploaded into the system, it goes through an automated review process. So there's been an increased reliance on technical solutions. And then some they may put into a human review process. And then people have to review and manually approve those ads. And how high do these decisions go about how much the algorithm, how strictly it should be monitoring or how loosely it should be monitoring? For those decisions, it's hard to say exactly who's responsible, but you don't get major decisions without the most senior people and knowing about it. Meta, which owns Instagram, later told us it doesn't knowingly target ads featuring children to users identified as having an inappropriate interest in such material.
17:42But acknowledged its ad review process may not detect all policy violations. At the Mumbai Tech Week, Meta's innovations are being celebrated. So ladies and gentlemen, welcoming the MD of Meta, Arun Srinivas. Arun Srinivas is the head of Meta in India. I took my chance to confront him with our findings and to ask for answers. Excuse me. Excuse me. Mr Srinivas, I'm from BBC and we have discovered that Instagram has got pornography and child section abuse videos as ads on its platform, sir. Will you agree for an interview and speak to us about it, sir? Sir, you headed the ads business, sir. You were the director before you became head of Meta India, sir.
18:33Mr Srinivas disappeared backstage and his security guards prevented me from following him. In a statement, Meta told us, they fight child exploitation on their platforms, block links to third-party websites hosting this material, remove ads and accounts found to violate their policies and report such content to the authorities. They said they had removed content flagged by the BBC and denied prioritising revenue over user safety. Divya Arya reporting for the full BBC Eye documentary. You can search The Careless Machine, exposing Instagram's darkest secret on the World Service YouTube page or on BBC iPlayer.
19:18Now from India to the Mediterranean Sea and to the plight of the bottlenose dolphin.
19:31These highly intelligent marine mammals, known for their stubby beaks and a mouth that looks like they're smiling, are finding it harder than ever to catch enough food, and they're increasingly following fishing trawlers to scavenge. A new study in the Adriatic between Italy and Croatia found that more than three-quarters of local boats were followed by bottlenose dolphins, up from 10 % in the 1990s. Nikolas Entrup is Head of International Relations for Ocean Care, an international conservation group that collaborated with the researchers. Well, the research that has been done now by Dolphin Biology and Conservation compares data of eight years of research, and it clearly shows that we see a shift in the behaviour of bottlenose dolphins in two key areas.
20:19And the results suggest, yes, they get hungrier, there is a prey depletion which forces them to follow trawlers to get their catch. And are they scavenging fish that fall out of the net? How does it work? What are they eating? The researchers have observed all sorts of kind of foraging. First of all, feed on the fish that the trawlers go behind. They also feed on discards that has gone overboard, and even on non-targeted species, meaning that they also forage on fish or other, for example, cephalopods that may not have been originally in their diet. This kind of behaviour is risky for the dolphins, isn't it?
21:06It is risky in a way because, you know, it's of course documented that, you know, pair trawlers or button trawlers can also result in a direct injury or, you know, so-called bycatch. But I think the overall picture of concern is a shift in the entire ecosystem. Overfishing that has been now constantly documented for the Mediterranean and especially the Adriatic is continuing for years now. And that change of behavior and in the publication, you see the researchers also discussing comparable data from the 1990s. There is a major increase in dolphins following trawlers now to get their prey. And I think this should be really, really boring.
21:46And this is being passed down generations of dolphins, I hear. Yes. You know, the scientists apply a methodology called photo identification. So you have a clear sense of the groups involved, of the individual animals involved in that type of behaviour. And what has been documented is that, of course, knowledge and behaviour is passed on from adult animals to the juveniles and the calves. And so it goes on. So the question then is, what are the consequences for us human beings in terms of managing fisheries? And we really have to warn that not the wrong conclusions are drawn. For example, that deterrent acoustic devices needs to be employed to shy dolphins away.
22:28what we really need is to fish less, to use less destructive nets, and to allow fish stocks as well as other marine species to recover and restore. That's the way to go. But, you know, that's not what human beings have been managing or implied management measures recently. Is anything like that happening in the Adriatic? Well, we do have a very, very positive proposal from the European Commission that has said already in 23 that the countries of the entire European Union need to phase out bottom trolling in at least the marine protected areas by 2030. But it's the member states that have to pass the management measures into play.
23:11And what we see is huge reluctance by the countries to enforce and comply with those measures. So we have MPAs for marine protected areas where, for example, bottom fishing is still allowed, but kite surfing is prohibited. That's the wrong signal. That's the wrong way. And we should be much more progressive, which at the end of the day will help fishermen as well to continue their business. Nicholas Entrup.
23:40When you hear the phrase made in China, what do you think? I'm Tristan Redman. And I'm Asma Khalid. And together we host the Global Story podcast from the BBC. And today on our show, we look at the origins and evolution of made in China, because it actually wasn't inevitable. What we're talking about is the world's largest communist nation is at the beating heart of the capitalist system. For more, listen to The Global Story on bbc.com or wherever you get your podcasts.
24:13Welcome back to NewsHour. Fans of Taylor Swift are heading to the streets of New York around Madison Square Garden Arena. It seems to be preparing for one of the most anticipated weddings of the year between arguably the most famous pop singer on the planet, Taylor Swift, and the American star footballer, Travis Kels. They haven't confirmed their plans, though one of Taylor Swift's representatives did announce the couple had donated$26 million to charities across the US this week. Swift fans have been arriving, as I said, in the streets by the truckload to try to get a glimpse through the curtained-off entrance.
24:50As police set up barriers around the venue, a pre-wedding bash is believed to have happened already. Here's our correspondent in New York, Neda Taufik. On Thursday evening, all efforts were made to hide those arriving in midtown Manhattan at the rumoured location for the most anticipated celebrity wedding celebration in recent US pop culture history. Such is the secrecy and mystery surrounding global superstar Taylor Swift and football champion Travis Kelsey's Big Bash. Reportedly, around 100 close relatives and friends attended a pre-party to kick off Swift's bridal era before a much larger celebration tonight.
25:30Is Taylor Swift really getting married here at Madison Square Garden? All signs point to yes, despite its lack of curb appeal. And fans have been coming down to get a look for themselves. We're just scoping out everything that's going on. We're trying to see if we can catch any glimpse of anything of this royal wedding. I just had to come see what I could find out for myself. There's so many rumors around this, so I wanted to see, you know, if it's possibly true. And it's definitely really inspirational to see where she's come to, and it makes me really want to, like, be there and see everything going on.
26:05You can see that barricades are up all around the stadium. Street closures are in effect, and there are hundreds of police all around the area as well. 1 ,000 people from the world of entertainment and sport are invited, the BBC understands, to today's festivities. One New York tabloid suggested the pair may already have exchanged iDos privately beforehand, but that hasn't been confirmed. Those spotted arriving in New York leading up to the event include Phoebe Waller-Bridge and Graham Norton. I just mean that I was going to invite you to it. It was told by the pop star during her appearance on his show that he would be included on the long guest list.
26:46If you're inviting me, it's very big. For days, the hive of activity and deliveries to the stadium have been cataloged for any clues. It looks like lobster is on the menu and the theme might be garden party, with rumors of a castle being built inside surrounded by trees. A similar version perhaps to the pair's engagement. They released professional photos of the proposal in a joint social media post last August, having been together since 2023. New York has hosted a whole range of iconic major events. It increasingly looks like the city is adding Taylor Swift's wedding to that list. Neda Torfik reporting from New York.
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27:37This is NewsHour from the BBC World Service. I'm Paul Henley. One of the long-running global conflicts that's been overshadowed recently is the crisis in Sudan. Today, the United Nations Human Rights Council has been holding an emergency session on Sudan, and member states meeting in Geneva have heard warnings that the city of El Obeid in the south of Sudan could be about to suffer the same fate as El Fasher in the west, where thousands of civilians were killed in violence last October that Amnesty International described as a crime against humanity. The UN's human rights chief, Volker Turk, has sounded a red alert and talked about what he called an unfolding catastrophe.
28:19Our Geneva correspondent Imogen Foulkes has been speaking to Li Feng, the UN human rights representative in Sudan. Imogen asked her what warning signs she and her team were seeing. I think what we are seeing in El Abade are clear warning signs. And these are similar clear warning signs that we saw in El Fasha, but which were not heeded through urgent action. And we saw what happened in October last year. So the calls that we are making is to be very alert and to take urgent action now to prevent violations and potential atrocities in El Abade. The city of El Abade has been under siege-like conditions for over a year and a half.
29:03There have been increasing drone strikes in recent weeks, and these have been striking, in particular, fuel stations, fuel trucks, water supply, and also markets as well as schools. And this has a very serious direct and secondary impacts on the civilian population in El Abade in terms of access to clean water, to health, to food. And this is in the context of 18 months of restrictions of the unimpeded entry of supplies to El Abade. You've warned of impending atrocities as the ones that happened in El Fasher, in El Obeyed, if preventative action isn't taken. What are you hearing about life for civilians there right now?
29:58Well, unfortunately, civilians will be at risk as they flee the city. But civilians are also at risk if they stay. Right now, what we have been documenting is increased arrests and detention within El Abade of civilians who are accused of collaboration with the RSF. And this has been accompanied by rising hate speech, very disturbing social media posts calling for RSF collaborators to be arrested or killed. And this is the environment within the city. And in particular, those who have fled areas in West Kordofan and South Kordofan, which are controlled either by the RSF or the SPLM North, are seen as potential collaborators because they have come from outside.
30:52So this is a risk for those who are remaining. So this is a very precarious situation for civilians, whether they flee or whether they stay. And that's why we're calling for the protection of civilians in the city and also to ensure their safe and voluntary movement to places of their choosing outside the city. Our Geneva correspondent Imogen Foulkes speaking to Lee Fung, who's the UN Human Rights Representative in Sudan. So could the city of El Obeid be another El Fasher? Well, we can speak now to Nathaniel Raymond, Executive Director of Humanitarian Research Lab at the Yale School of Public Health in the US.
31:31Nathaniel, welcome. We've heard part of the explanation, but why exactly is another humanitarian disaster apparently imminent in El Obeyed? Who's likely to kill whom? We actually don't assess that a mass killing is imminent in L.O. Bade. We disagree with that intelligence at Humanitarian Research Lab. In fact, we can't see evidence that the rapid support forces are massing at strength, and we haven't seen any of the precursor conditions other than the drone bombardment of gas stations and other civilian infrastructure, power generation, hospitals, et cetera, that we saw in El Fasher. We don't see any artillery fire, and we do not see full encirclement of the city yet.
32:22And also ethnically, El Obeyed is extremely different than El Fasher. El Fasher has been used as an antecedent to talk about El Obeyed, I think wrongly. El Fasher, which we monitored for almost three years, and what gave the initial warning to the UN Security Council on, was the last stand of the four in the Zagawa tribes in Darfur. And El Obeyed, none of those ethnic groups are present. So what the UN human rights rep said is that the real threat is about the killing of collaborators, both by Sudan armed forces and by RSF. That's a big threat. It is a big threat, but it's a threat in any area that either SAF or RSF controls.
33:03Right now, the real threat is risk of cholera. As the gas stations and the substations for power generation are being hit, it's causing the water pumps for the main water points in the city to fail. And so the real concern is that you have a baseline population of 500 ,000 plus approximately 200 ,000 displaced people move into the city. We've seen 700 tents show up additionally at what's called the unified main IDP facility in the past month. And you have people crowded together with a lack of potable water because of these drone attacks. And that's going to cause them to drink water with effluent in it.
33:46And that could, in the rainy season, which we're in now, cause a cholera outbreak that could kill the most civilians. Indeed, the World Health Organization has already announced over a thousand cholera cases in Sudan, hasn't it? That's right. And not that far from El Obeid. So it means we have wet season cholera present to the south of El Obeid, which we should take as the big warning sign that we could have a wildfire cholera outbreak in El Obeid. A huge threat to life? Yes, the number one threat to life for civilians in this type of siege scenario in particularly East Africa. The RSF and the Sudanese Armed Forces, the opposing sides, both get support from outside Sudan.
34:34Can you tell us how the war in Iran has affected the supply of money and materials to both sides? It's interesting because we watch both sides through very high resolution satellite imagery. We've seen it affect really the Sudan armed forces the most. It's caused their mechanized infantry and main battle tanks due to fuel drought and a lack of access to parts for their tanks and armored personnel carriers to really grind to a halt. RSF had actually been more constrained after the fall of al-Fashir through actions by Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Egypt to constrain their supply lines. Now it looks like their supply lines are pretty robust again, particularly through Libya, as was reported this week, and also through Ethiopia.
35:29And so right now, RSF seems to be getting more equipment and primarily equipment linked to the United Arab Emirates. And just briefly, finally, there doesn't seem to be any end in sight, does there, to this conflict? This conflict could end in two weeks if the US, the United Kingdom and the EU put pressure on the UAE to stop giving drones to the RSF. It's that simple. This conflict will continue as long as the West does not put pressure on the United Arab Emirates to stop advanced weapon transfers to the RSF. It's that simple. Thank you very much for that, Nathaniel Raymond, Executive Director of the Humanitarian Research Lab at the Yale School of Public Health in the US.
36:14NASA now, which has launched a robotic mission to prevent one of its telescopes from burning up in the Earth's atmosphere. Gravity is gradually pulling this swift observatory telescope towards Earth. In a mission lasting several months, a rescue spacecraft will be released from a jet rather than launched from the ground. Let's hear live from Regina Caputo, who is the project scientist from the Swift Observatory. Welcome, Regina. This spacecraft rescue is homing in on a moving target, isn't it? How difficult could it be to correct the direction of this falling telescope? Well, thank you for having me.
36:55It's a pleasure to be here. And yes, this is one of the big challenges is approaching a spacecraft that's traveling at thousands of miles per hour in orbit with another spacecraft and trying to gently attach to it and then raise it up to a higher orbit. How will it work? What are the nuts and bolts? Well, so the spacecraft is called Link, and it was built by Catalyst Space, an American company. And it's basically a propulsion system, and it has on it three arms, which will grab the back of the Swift observatory, attach itself, and then lift it up. and in a maneuver that's really never been performed before.
37:48This observatory must really be worth saving. It's 20 years old, isn't it? Yes, yes, but we all know that things get better with age. As we have been doing more science with the Swift Observatory, we've been uncovering some really tremendous, amazing science, and it's a very important and unique part of the NASA fleet. Tell us why. So it observes the most explosive objects in the universe. And these are very transient, they're very fast events. They're called gamma ray bursts. And when it detects them, it can also autonomously slew to point the two other telescopes to be able to characterize and follow up what happened.
38:38And so they're really a great diagnostic for these really, really cool astronomical events. Do all such objects in space have a shelf life because they're gradually pulled towards the Earth? So all things, well, everything does have a shelf life. But in particular, satellites in low Earth orbit are particularly, this is part of their lifespan, is that they will reenter orbit eventually. But over the long term, I mean, how long are we talking? So Swift was originally put into an orbit of about 600 kilometers. And so after 20 years, depending a little bit on the solar cycle, it's about to reenter.
39:24So that was a particularly high orbit for other satellites that aren't telescopes or doing astronomical observations. Their lifespan is much shorter. And this whole operation, when will it be over? How can you tell if it's all going well? So we're in constant communication with both the Swift Observatory and the LINC satellite. And so commissioning for LINC has started. And so that'll take, you know, a week or two. It will then approach Swift. And those operations will take, you know, on the order of a month. A lot of these times are approximate just because it depends a lot about, you know, the details of the operations that are happening.
40:05And then to actually raise the orbit will probably take another month or so because we do it very gradually. And so overall, by the fall, we expect to know if things were successful. Many thanks. Regina Caputo, project scientist with the Swift Observatory. You're listening to the BBC World Service live from London with NewsHour.
40:36In Japan, the fact that the mayor of a small town is taking maternity leave has sparked national debate. As the country struggles with a rapidly falling birth rate, reaction to her decision is raising questions about how Japanese women can balance motherhood and leadership. Our Japan correspondent, Kurumi Mori, has been telling me more about the woman who runs Yawata, south of Kyoto. So Shoko Kawata is Japan's actually youngest ever female city mayor when she took office back in 2023. So it's not the first time she's been in the news. She graduated from Kyoto University. She studied economics before pursuing this career in local government.
41:19And she, according to the official profile page, enjoys tea ceremonies, wearing kimonos and visiting shrines. And so very fitting for that part of the country. But yeah, she campaigned on policies to support families, childcare and welfare. And she's been saying she wants to make the city more attractive for younger generations. Because as you know, Japan is facing this population decline. And so now she's 35 years old and she's making headlines again as the first sitting mayor in Japan to take maternity leave. It sounds, therefore, totally fitting that after what she's supported, she decides to take maternity leave, is it?
42:00Yeah, I mean, the biggest issue I want to point out, though, right now and the conversation surrounding her mat leave isn't really about she's a woman and she's taking leave versus a man who would take leave. It's really about Japan not having a formal legal framework for elected local officials to take maternity leave. I sat down with Mayor Kawata and asked her what the biggest complaint was that she's been getting from residents. So take a listen. There were those who said it's inappropriate for me to get pregnant and undergo childbirth while serving this limited term in office. In Japanese society, particularly in public service and politics, there remains a strong expectation that individuals should relinquish their private lives and devote themselves wholly, both physically and mentally, to serving the public.
43:02I think these kind of cultural expectations leads to such criticism. The fact that Japan has its first female prime minister suggests that there are more open minds to seeing more women high up in politics. Is that the case? I like to think so. But the facts remain that women significantly are underrepresented in politics. Even though we do have a head of the country, Sanai Takaichi, being a woman, it's still the case that Japanese politics in this landscape, it's still quite seen as difficult for women to take on leadership positions. One thing I found interesting was I talked to Mayor Kawata's deputy mayor, who's going to be stepping in while she's taking that leave.
43:52He is 62 years old. He's been in local government his whole career. And he pointed out that when he had two kids of his own about three decades ago, he didn't take a single day off. He said his wife took care of the kids. And even when the babies were crying at night, he said he didn't get up. He left it all to his wife. But fast forward to today, he has two daughters and one of his daughters has a newborn. And he said that his son-in-law is taking six months of paternity leave from his job. So, I mean, it sounds like there are changes to attitudes about paternity leave, maternity leave in Japan.
44:31Slow changes, but at least signs of change. The BBC's Kurumi Mori. Tomorrow, July the 4th, is a US Independence Day like no other, not just because the US is celebrating 250 years since the Declaration of Independence, also because President Trump is leading a national celebration of himself. July 4th, we will have the greatest show of all on the National Mall. Your favourite president will be speaking. So please show up. That was Donald Trump speaking a few days ago at the Great American State Fair rally in Washington, D.C. Back in July 1957, the tone from then-Senator John F. Kennedy reading the Declaration of Independence was different.
45:13We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Well, 250 years on from the original declaration in the US, an unknown copy of the physical declaration has been found here in the UK in the National Archives. The document, printed in New Hampshire in 1776, is one of only 11 known still to exist and the only one in Britain. The man who found it, Michael Skur, had been working to catalogue a bundle of Royal Navy correspondence from the 18th century.
45:54As I undid it, there were these big letters, Declaration, on the top. And I thought, wow. So I called over to my boss and said, I think you need to come and have a look at this. I opened it up and realised it was a Declaration of Independence in the United States of America. I could feel my stomach sort of thinking, oh, I think I need to calm down. Well, I feel very proud that I stumbled across it and that it will now be something which other people can enjoy, like I did. Graham Moore is the curator of the National Archives Revolution 250 celebration and he spoke to the BBC about this find. This is a really landmark find for us.
46:36It's an amazing discovery. It's a rare copy from July 1776, one of the first ever copies of the Declaration printed in the colony of New Hampshire, then in Rebellion Against the Crown. And this is part of that story of how the Declaration of Independence, 250 years ago, the news of independence is starting to circulate around the 13 colonies. And it shows how as well those ideas are circulating around the world, too, because what happens then is after being printed in New Hampshire, this copy of the Declaration was taken aboard an American privateer. That's a ship with a commission to attack British vessels at sea and taken all the way across the Atlantic in Christmas Eve, 1776.
47:16that same ship is then captured by a Royal Navy vessel and then that is how it comes to us at the National Archives. We have a vast amount of documents around the American Revolutionary War which is partly why we're putting on this exhibition at the moment as well. So we are still sorting through those, we're still cataloguing what we have to find out exactly what's in there and various teams of volunteers have been working on different areas of the archive to make this history accessible to people and to see what we could find and I have my fingers crossed for something but this is beyond what I could have hoped for, I think.
47:47And the responses we're getting from across the pond are really amazing. This is a really amazing find, not only for us as a piece of British history, which of course it is in a sense as well, but also for people in the United States celebrating that 250th anniversary, particularly the communities in New Hampshire, where this ship initially came from. We, alongside the declaration, have paperwork about the ship that tells us more about its story, about the 120 men who were aboard that ship who were then taken into custody in Britain, actually, during the war. So we can tell their stories too. And for me as a historian, that's what's really exciting about this find.
48:21Curator Graham Moore ending this edition of NewsHour. Thank you very much for listening. Bye-bye.
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From the publisher
Iran has begun several days of public mourning and funeral processions for its former Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, more than four months after he was killed in strikes launched by the US and Israel.
Tehran is using the occasion as an opportunity to project to the world an image of power.
Also in the programme: There's a grim warning from the UN that another humanitarian catastrophe is imminent in Sudan; why taking maternity leave as a town mayor is highly controversial in Japan; and we'll hear about the dolphins that are the gauge of marine destruction in the Adriatic Sea.
(Photo shows mourners gathered by the coffin of Iran's late Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei at the Imam Khomeini Grand Mosalla in Tehran, Iran, on 3 July 2026. Credit: Mohammed Salem/Reuters)
