In short
This NewsHour episode focuses mainly on a potential ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon and how it affects the newly signed US-Iran framework deal. It opens with reports of renewed fighting: Israel says four soldiers died in ground clashes; local health officials report at least 18 people killed in Israeli airstrikes around Nabatea, with Dr Ahmad Zraik describing mass civilian casualties (he says 90%+ of patients are civilians) and injuries including amputations. A senior US official and Israeli sources report a ceasefire set for 4pm Friday, but Israel says it could resume hostilities if needed. Correspondent Lise Doucette (BBC chief international correspondent) discusses US-Israel tensions over continued attacks and Iran-Hezbollah ties.
Guest
Fleur Hassan Nahum, special envoy for trade in Israel’s foreign affairs ministry, former deputy mayor of Jerusalem, argues Hezbollah acts as Iran’s “forward army,” and says Israel won’t withdraw without sustained quiet. Other guests: Dr Philip Belscher (InterTanko) on Strait of Hormuz tanker delays; Dr Hannah Frankel (Copenhagen) on Denmark study linking early pregnancy forward-bending at work to higher miscarriage risk; Josh Cantor (Red Sox organist) on Scottish fans at Fenway; Anam Menon (King’s College London) on Brexit’s economic effects; Paul Nguyen (BBC) reports on Cape Verde goalkeeper Vozinha; Tom Brook (BBC) reports on film Cactus Pears.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOFighting in Lebanon: A Human Perspective
0:44 to 1:11
Exploration of the recent fighting between Israel and Hezbollah through the eyes of Dr. Ahmad Zraik.
“And to think, that's just a small taste of what Schwab offers.”
Fighting in Lebanon: A Human Perspective
1:25 to 4:30
Exploration of the recent fighting between Israel and Hezbollah through the eyes of Dr. Ahmad Zraik.
“and what that means for the agreement between the US and Iran that was only signed yesterday.”
Ceasefire Reports and Implications
4:30 to 7:35
Discussion on reports of a ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah and its potential effects on US-Iran relations.
“Ahmad Zraik, emergency doctor in Nabatea.”
US-Israel Relations: A Tense Moment
7:35 to 10:00
Analysis of the strained relationship between the US and Israel amidst ongoing conflicts.
“blowing up a building every time they want to find one or another commanders.”
Hezbollah's Role and Future Actions
10:00 to 14:00
Exploration of Hezbollah's relationship with Iran and potential actions following the ceasefire.
“Our chief international correspondent, Lise Doucette, joining us live from Switzerland.”
Ceasefire Reports
14:00 to 14:13
Learn about the recent ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah.
“Fleur Hassan Nahum, Special Envoy for Trade at Israel's Foreign Affairs Ministry.”
Upcoming Film Discussion
14:13 to 15:10
Discover a new Indian gay romance movie that's changing perspectives.
“Still to come on the programme, the Indian gay romance movie that's capturing the hearts of audiences.”
Study on Bending in Pregnancy
15:10 to 19:12
Explore a study linking forward bending at work to miscarriage risk.
“Now, a new study out of Denmark suggests that bending forwards at work in the early stages of pregnancy may increase the risk of miscarriage.”
Scottish Fans in Boston
19:12 to 23:50
Hear about the Scottish fans' enthusiastic presence at Red Sox games.
“Hannah Frankel speaking to me from Copenhagen.”
Vozinha's Mother Travels for World Cup
25:03 to 28:00
Follow Vozinha's mother as she travels to support her son in the World Cup.
“The mother of Cape Verde's now globally celebrated goalkeeper, Vosinha, is travelling to the US to watch the tiny country's next World Cup match in Miami.”
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Cape Verde Report and Introduction
28:00 to 28:38
Insight into the emotional connection of people in Cape Verde and the show introduction.
“God willing, everything will go smoothly.”
Election Impact in the UK
28:38 to 29:56
Discussion about the significance of the Labour Party's by-election win in Makerfield.
“You're listening to NewsHour and I'm James Menendez.”
Analysis of Andy Burnham's Ambitions
29:56 to 34:06
Exploration of Andy Burnham's position in the Labour Party and his leadership ambitions.
“Andy Burnham won by a substantial margin, Rob, didn't he?”
Brexit's Economic Impact
34:06 to 36:28
Assessment of Brexit's economic repercussions and public sentiment on rejoining the EU.
“Our UK politics correspondent Rob Watson there.”
Challenges for Future Prime Ministers
36:28 to 39:26
Discussion on why campaigning to rejoin the EU may not be straightforward for future leaders.
“Well, it was about immigration and more generally about control.”
Trump and Maloney's Diplomatic Spat
39:26 to 41:04
Overview of the controversy between Trump and Italy's Prime Minister Maloney.
“And the second thing is the EU will negotiate hard if we apply to rejoin.”
Ceasefire Agreement and Economic Implications
41:04 to 42:01
Reporting on the ceasefire agreement involving Israel and Hezbollah and its economic impacts.
“At the beginning of the program, a senior U.S.”
Shipping Traffic in the Gulf: Current Situation
42:01 to 45:26
Learn about the state of shipping traffic through the Gulf and the challenges faced.
“Philip, good to have you with us here on the programme.”
Cactus Pears: A Landmark Gay Romance Film
45:26 to 48:57
Discover the significance of the film Cactus Pears in portraying queer relationships in rural India.
“has become one of the more talked about movies of recent times.”
Transcript
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1:19Hello and welcome to NewsHour from the BBC World Service. We're coming to you live from London. I'm James Menendez, and we're going to begin today in Lebanon, the fighting there overnight between Israel and Hezbollah, and what that means for the agreement between the US and Iran that was only signed yesterday. More detailed talks about implementing the deal were meant to start today in Switzerland, but they've been delayed because, say, some reports of what is going on in Lebanon, which is included in the framework agreement. We're going to be talking to our chief international correspondent, Lise Doucette, about all that in a moment.
1:54But first let's hear about the upsurge in fighting. Israel says four of its soldiers were killed in ground clashes with Hezbollah militants. At least 18 people have been killed in Israeli airstrikes overnight on southern Lebanon, according to local health officials, mostly around the city of Nabatea. Dr Ahmad Zraik is an emergency care doctor in Nabatea Government Hospital. He told me what the night had been like. So last night it was like a disaster. The amount of bombs that were thrown on us, the amount of rockets, the amount of patients that were wounded, the amount of dead bodies that came to us, it feels like the first days of the war.
2:30We have now a patient, she's making also scans, total body and making x-rays for extremities. And when she comes back, we'll have to know what is happening and the surgeon will complete the work. And her small daughter, she's about 13 years, she's also murdered by the rockets. yeah so so a little girl was killed were most of the the patients that you were treating were they mostly civilians then a lot of civilians a lot a lot a lot of civilians maybe like more than 90 percent of them are like civilians and what sort of injuries are you treating there's injuries about in the head is this woman she'll have amputation maybe for three toes in her right leg.
3:14We didn't see the head, but there is a big wound in there. A lot of these cases we are having now, like because there are civilians, they don't have guns, they don't have nothing, they're just sitting in their houses. And of course, there is this ceasefire agreement with the US and Iran. I mean, it's meant to include Lebanon, that ceasefire deal. I mean, had you been hoping that things were going to go quiet now? We don't know, but we hope that everything will be okay but we don't trust Israel that's why yeah but were you surprised that there was such heavy fighting last night given that they just signed the agreement yesterday yeah they are signed it yesterday and that like a big fight you see both of them attacking each other rockets guns a lot of heavy a lot a lot a lot of guns was used last night till now still like attacking each other yeah I mean you said you don't trust trust Israel but it sounds from the reports that Hezbollah doesn't want a ceasefire either, that it's been launching attacks on Israeli troops.
4:15The problem in that we don't understand each of them. We just want to live. We don't want wars. We don't want to live this life every time. I'm also planning to get out of Lebanon because of that. That was Dr. Ahmad Zraik, emergency doctor in Nabatea. Well, let's talk to our chief international correspondent, Lise Doucette, who's in Switzerland, where the US-Iran talks were due to take place. And Lise, just in the past couple of minutes, there's one report suggesting that Israel and Hezbollah have agreed to a ceasefire. Might that unlock the next stage of the talks? Well, everything is ready here in Switzerland and that magnificent luxury resort set in the mountains above Lake Lucerne.
5:01And Swiss diplomats were there, Swiss military, Swiss police and saying we're still ready. And yes, in the last few minutes, reports on media saying that Israel and Hezbollah have agreed to a ceasefire at 4 p.m. local time on Friday. That's only quoting an unnamed U.S. official. But we also have a report from the Israeli Defense Forces saying that at 16 hours London in time. They are going to be giving a statement to the media today, suggesting they have an important announcement to make. James, when it became clear that the talks that were expected today at a very high level, in other words, U.S.
5:43Vice President J.D. Vance, the lead negotiator for Iran, Mohammed Bahr-Ghalibov, that these were postponed because of the fighting in Lebanon. It was clear the phones would soon be burning, with the Iranians making it clear to the Americans that If there was no ceasefire on the Lebanon front, there would be no progress on the U.S.-Iranian front. And yes, indeed, the phones have been burning. We've been hearing from diplomatic sources saying that messages were being relayed. And it's just speculation now. But given the criticism, quite extraordinary criticism by President Trump, by U.S. Vice President J.D.
6:23Vance of Israel, in particular Prime Minister Netanyahu about their continuing attacks against Hezbollah in Lebanon. It was clear they would do something to salvage a deal, this memorandum of understanding that they and the Iranians and quite frankly many countries in the world want to work. I mean is it fair to say that there has been fury in the Trump administration about continued Israeli attacks in southern Lebanon and what that's doing for the deal. I mean, in all your years of covering the Middle East, has there been such an open rupture between the US and Israel? Interestingly, you use the word fury.
7:01Of course, the American military campaign against Iran was called epic fury. And I think that is the way you have to describe the way the US officials are in public dressing down the Israelis. I know from decades of reporting on the relationship between Israel and the United States, that Prime Minister Netanyahu has managed to anger one American president and secretary of state after another. At a certain point, they come to verbal clashes. But we have never seen anything like this. President, the way he's described, telling President, accusing Prime Minister Netanyahu, blowing up a building every time they want to find one or another commanders.
7:45J.D. Vance yesterday telling the New York Times that Israel, a country of nine million people, can't bomb its way to everything it wants to achieve. It can't kill everyone in order to achieve a result. This is really unprecedented. And of course, it hardly bears underlining that this relationship between Israel and the United States is absolutely pivotal. It's said in America that policy towards Israel is not foreign policy. It is domestic policy. We've also heard Prime Minister Netanyahu, President Trump saying, oh, we're very good friends. Yes, we have a partnership. Yes, we sometimes disagree.
8:22But there is no hiding. The Israelis are being made. If it is confirmed in the next few hours that there is a ceasefire on the Lebanon front, as demanded by Iran, there is going to be epic fury in Israel as well. Already you're getting politicians across the political spectrum saying, we decide our policy, not the United States. Liz, can I just ask you this? If Iran says to Hezbollah, and Iran wants to see this deal work, if it says to Hezbollah, you need to stop your attacks too, will Hezbollah do that? Yes, I think it's the relationship between Iran and Hezbollah is different than the relationship between Iran and its other partners and proxies across the region.
9:07For example, it said that if they tell the Houthis in Yemen, they have to do something that the Houthis might or they might not. But the relationship between Tehran and Hezbollah goes back to the very founding of Hezbollah, this militant group, the Party of God, in 1982, after the then Israeli invasion of Lebanon. It was set up by both Iranian and Lebanese clerics. And the ties now, they're institutional, they're security, they're political, they're personal. Senior Iranians let their sons and daughters marry the sons and daughters of Hezbollah. There is no way that Iran would want to be seen to be abandoning Hezbollah.
9:54It's bad for that relationship and for Iran's other relationships across the region. but it still very much wants to preserve. Lise, thank you very much indeed. Our chief international correspondent, Lise Doucette, joining us live from Switzerland. We have, I'm just reading this from one of our producers in our Washington bureau. A US official has confirmed to the BBC that Israel and Hezbollah have agreed to a ceasefire set to come into effect at 4pm local time on Friday, while 4pm is 15 minutes ago. Fleur Hassan Nahum is a special envoy for trade in Israel's foreign affairs ministry. She's also a former deputy mayor of Jerusalem and joins us on the line live.
10:34Welcome to NewsHour. Are you able to tell us anything more about this ceasefire? No, not for the moment. We've just heard about it here. The Israeli public had absolutely no idea. But look, let's hope it sticks. This is the third ceasefire in two years and it wasn't Israel that broke the previous one. Unfortunately, in March, this March, when the Iran war started, Hezbollah started attacking our northern communities, attacking civilians in our northern communities. On October 8, 2023, they did exactly the same thing. There's no territorial dispute with Lebanon. So you have to ask yourself, why is it that they keep lobbing rockets over at the north of Israel?
11:13And the answer is simple. They are the forward army of the Islamic Republic of Iran. They fire when Iran tells them to fire. And that's what this is about. Yeah. And is this, though, if this ceasefire does come into effect, and it should have done by now, is this at least in part a result of heavy US pressure on the Israeli government? Well, perhaps, but it might also be pressure by the Islamic Republic of Iran to Hezbollah, saying, stop firing. They killed four soldiers yesterday. They've been killing our soldiers and civilians with drones for the last few weeks. For what reason? Because the Islamic Republic of Iran sent them to do that.
11:54But it's, you know, the first thing the Islamic Republic of Iran said they're going to do with their money that now they have because of the exports that have renewed is give Hezbollah the money that they need to operate. They are an army of the Islamic Republic. Sure, and those are questions for the Iranian government. But will the Israeli military now begin to withdraw its forces from southern Lebanon? And would you welcome that? I don't think that Israel is going to withdraw any forces until we see that there's quiet for quite a bit. We're not going to withdraw after a day when they could be attacking our communities in the north of Israel.
12:33Well, I mean, it is part of the memorandum of understanding, isn't it, that that should happen, that Israel should respect Lebanon's territorial integrity. Well, we would also like our territorial integrity respected by not having 17 ,000 rockets thrown to our northern communities. We are just also hearing that Hezbollah is saying that they will apply the ceasefire. Where does this leave Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his strategy? Because many in his cabinet have wanted to continue this campaign in Lebanon. And presumably at some point, I mean, it's going to have to end and they will have to withdraw.
13:12Well, we'll have to see because ultimately we've been Hezbollah's whole aim, the whole reason for being is the destruction of Israel. So it's very difficult to have any type of agreement with people who, from the beginning, all they want to do is get rid of you. And that's the situation with Hezbollah. They had no business getting involved in the Iran war. They had no business attacking Israel on the 8th of October. And yet they did. They've made, they are an occupying force of the Iranians. They've made the life of the Lebanese miserable. And the irony is that we have peace talks in Washington with the Lebanese government.
13:49Where does that leave the Lebanese government? Believe me, the people of Lebanon and the people of Israel want peace and quiet on our northern border. The question is not that. The question is that jihadi Islamists have taken over their country. We'll have to leave it there. Fleur Hassan Nahum, Special Envoy for Trade at Israel's Foreign Affairs Ministry. You're listening to News Out from the BBC World Service. Still to come on the programme, the Indian gay romance movie that's capturing the hearts of audiences. There was this one audience member who messaged me saying, you know what, I was so close minded before.
14:26After watching your film, you know, it really helped me open my mind. More on that coming up a little later in the programme. Our main headlines at the moment, as we've been hearing, there are reports of a ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon. That comes after the Lebanese president condemned the latest wave of Israeli attacks overnight. One other headline, Italy's top diplomat has cancelled a trip to the US in a row over a photo of President Trump and Prime Minister Giorgio Maloney.
15:10Now, a new study out of Denmark suggests that bending forwards at work in the early stages of pregnancy may increase the risk of miscarriage. The researchers found that each additional hour of bending forwards in an eight-hour working day was associated with a higher risk of pregnancy loss in the first trimester, although it's not clear at this stage whether there is a direct causal link. I've been speaking to the lead author of the study, Dr. Hannah Frankel, from the Department of Occupational and Environmental Medicine at Bisbebia Hospital in Copenhagen. Well, we looked into three different exposures, so occupational standing, walking, and forward bending.
15:48And we looked at hazard rates with an increased risk of each of these three exposures. And the forward bending is when you sort of look at compared like a normal standing. So it's a 30 degree or more bent from an upright posture. Right. And what was the increased risk that that led to when it comes to miscarriage? We found an increased hazard rate of 1.36. So a 36 % increase hazard for each additional hour of forward bending. And how did you get to that conclusion then? Just tell us a bit more about how you conducted the study and the sort of numbers of women you were able to look at. So this is a population-based register study.
16:30So this is basically the full population in Denmark of working women who were pregnant from 2004 and 2018. So it's a little bit more than 800 ,000 pregnancies. Okay, so it's a lot of women you were able to study. But are we talking about causation that bending down can cause miscarriage or raise the risk of miscarriage? Or is this about association? So this is association. So the mechanism behind it is not very well understood. But when we are looking at this large population study, we just see sort of like, are there associations between women who have done this to a large extent compared to women who have not?
17:12Right. I mean, has any work been done into why bending forwards may increase the risk? It is thought to be maybe for the standing and the forward bending. If you're doing this for a large period of time, you may have an increased venous pooling and reduced blood flow to the placenta, which may sort of interfere with the growth of the fetus. And it may also, Sorry, this is not very well understood, but it may also be due to hormonal productions, which may be interfered with. Yeah. And is it specifically work-related bending rather than things we might do at home? I mean, one thinks of, you know, exercise and yoga and things like that.
17:56It's not that, is it? Yeah, no, it's not that at all. We've only looked into the occupational standing time and walking time and bending time. All other studies point toward a very protective effect of withdoing this physical activity in your leisure time. And is it particular types of jobs then that you have in mind? So those who had the highest estimates for forward bending, they were livestock and dairy producers, waiters, animal care workers and hand launders and pressers, just to name a few of them. Yeah, OK. So what are the implications then, do you think, of what you found? Well, I think it's really important to have more studies done in this area because, well, at least in Denmark, the current guidelines don't say anything of how we can recommend pregnant women to do in their work in the early pregnancy.
18:48We have some guidelines from the fourth month of pregnancy and forward, but not in the early pregnancy. So I think this is a large problem and we need to have some more studies to help us make some guidelines and find some thresholds. So we know what is safe to do during pregnancy and what may not be safe. And potentially what talking about what taking more breaks, things like that. Exactly. Yeah. Dr. Hannah Frankel speaking to me from Copenhagen.
19:19Now in the Men's Football World Cup, Scotland are playing Morocco tonight in Boston. Scotland's first match against Haiti on Sunday also took place in the city. And in between the games, many Scottish fans visiting Boston have been passing the time by going to watch the Boston Red Sox at the city's legendary baseball stadium Fenway Park. Josh Cantor is the official organist for the Red Sox. He plays at the games and has been talking to us about welcoming the Scottish fans.
19:53It occurred to me that it would be a good idea to learn some of these songs and chants that are popular with the Scottish soccer fans, because I knew that they were coming. I knew that they had matches in Boston, and then I knew that many of them were going to come to one or more Red Sox games. So I did a little research and sort of put together a list of things that we found online.
20:18I also received some suggestions from the Scotland fans through social media, just sort of saying, you know, these are some of our favourites, these are the ones we tend to sing most loudly, and they came ready to sing loudly before, during and after the Games. It was just lovely to hear from so many different people saying, you know, we'd love if you play this one. And there were a lot of instances where I just played the first few seconds. They could take it from there on their own in a lot of cases. The Scottish fans have been in Boston for over a week now. I'm seeing them everywhere I go all over town in their garb, in their kilts.
21:16No Scotland, No Party by Nick Morgan. It was a song that one of the Scottish fans told me was worth my time to listen to it and learn it. So I listened to it online and I was able to pick it up. and I saw that there were signs all over the stadium on Sunday night that said, No Scotland, No Party. And I had never heard that slogan or catchphrase before, and I thought it was just wonderful. And then I played the song, and sure enough, everyone sang along, and that was great.
21:50I never would have considered myself to be a Scotland football, soccer fan prior to this. I don't know a whole lot about soccer. That's sort of a language that I don't really speak, but I love their enthusiasm and pride for their nation and their culture and their heritage.
22:16I visited Scotland on a couple of brief occasions, and it was lovely, and this does make me want to go back.
22:29So there's a song by the Proclaimers. It's called I'm Gonna Be, parentheses, 500 Miles. It's a wonderful song, very catchy. And I played it, and sure enough, everyone just went nuts.
22:45That was one where they were really, they were jumping and dancing and spinning around. And there's a part of it that's sort of like a back and forth call and response in the chorus.
22:57It was just, you know, it was like a performance. And so that was that was a particularly magical one. I've been working for the Red Sox for 24 years. And on occasion, like if it's a very big playoff or tournament or World Series or something, in those instances, we do get that level of loudness. But it's when the stakes are so high that it's sort of a different kind of intensity. This was just pure jubilation, and the fact that it sort of stayed at a 10 all the way through from before the game even started and then all the way through the game, it was really just a special, fun time.
23:38That was Josh Cantor who's the official organist for the Boston Red Sox about welcoming all those Scottish fans that have descended on Boston in recent days. You're listening to News Out from the BBC World Service. Do stay with us. Lots more coming up.
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25:09Welcome back to New Zealand. The mother of Cape Verde's now globally celebrated goalkeeper, Vosinha, is travelling to the US to watch the tiny country's next World Cup match in Miami. The veteran keeper's epic saves helped Cape Verde hold European champion Spain to a draw in their first match of the tournament. Well, the BBC's Paul Nguyen has travelled to Vozinha's home island, Sao Vicente, to try and find out more about the keeper and met Vozinha's mother, who's now secured an American visa after her fees were waived. We've travelled all the way because the island has been making global headlines.
25:47Not for music or art, but for Vozinha, the man who's making the country proud. We've just left the airport and are heading to the city centre. From there we'll go to the family home of Vozinia. South Cent is a very small island, so we are eager to see what the mood and ambience would be like outside this family residence. It used to be crowded with excited residents, but not today, just robust canine surveillance. Hello, ma 'am. Hello. What's up? I meet Vozinia's mother, Anna Evora, and his siblings, who are still overjoyed by the recognition he's getting for his performance at the World Cup. Anna shows me pictures of the now-veteran gold keeper in his youth.
26:35She was unable to travel to the U.S. for his first ever World Cup match, leaving her 40-year-old son and millions of his newly gained followers emotional. Anna tells me she felt discouraged to even apply for a U.S. visa because she could not afford the bond required to obtain it. They were asking for about$15 ,000, so I didn't even mention that to my son. Although I had someone who could host me in the US, I didn't make any arrangements. I just didn't bother. That's why I didn't go. But while we were having our interview, her other son Davidson said he'd just received a call from the Football Federation asking her to travel urgently to the capital prior that same night.
27:16The goal was to arrange for her to fly to the United States so she could fulfil her son Vosinia's dream of watching him play. I'm very happy. This is happening so fast, but I'm quite happy anyway. I'm going to see my son playing in the World Cup, God willing. The news may have felt unreal, but her struggle to hold back tears was no joke. Vosinia means everything to everyone here. Our day in South Vicente was over, so we hit the road for the airport to catch our night flight back to Praia. To our surprise, we met Vosinia's mother preparing to fly to Praia on the same plane. She seemed upbeat about the prospects of meeting her celebrity son.
28:03I'm happy. God willing, everything will go smoothly. I'm taking special energy to the Cape Verdeans there. We're going to fight and shine on that pitch. As she serves loved ones with warm hugs, one can only imagine how much more Vosinia will get when they are finally reunited thousands of miles away. And that was Paul and Gia reporting there from Cape Verge. You're listening to the BBC.
28:37This is the BBC World Service in London. You're listening to NewsHour and I'm James Menendez. Now, sometimes a by-election or special election throws up a result that causes a storm of coverage and analysis into what it means for the big national picture. Then a few weeks later, the fuss dies down and everyone forgets what happened. Well, not today in the UK. An election win for the governing Labour Party in the constituency of Makerfield near Manchester will have huge consequences for that party, who leads it as Prime Minister and potentially, therefore, the country's future direction. And that's because Andy Burnham, the man who won, stood for Parliament explicitly so that he'd become eligible to contest the leadership of the party and replace Keir Starmer as Prime Minister.
29:22While speaking this morning, Mr Burnham said the cost of living had been a crucial issue for voters. We've got to now take this moment to answer the challenges that have been laid down. I think that's how people here kind of saw it when I was talking to them on the doorsteps. And they said, well, Andy, you have to do something to make life more affordable, to put more money in people's pockets, to give people more breathing space again so that they can have a better life. That's what people were saying. Let's talk to our UK politics correspondent, Rob Watson, who can tell us what it all means.
30:01Andy Burnham won by a substantial margin, Rob, didn't he? What does that mean for his ambitions, do you think? Oh, it's a huge boost for his ambitions in a couple of ways. The first is that he can turn around to a very, very frightened Labour Party trailing massively in the polls and say, hey, I am the guy from up north who managed to beat the populists of reform. It can be done. It can be me. And the second point that he's been making is that he is, if you like, a sort of a clean skin, James, that he's had nothing to do with the Labour government and Keir Starmer for the last two years. While they were becoming unpopular since winning the general election in 2024, he's been up north in Manchester busily running that city.
30:44So that's his pitch to the Labour Party. So what happens next? Will Keir Starmer simply step aside and make way? Not if he can help it, that's for sure. I mean, Keir Starmer is absolutely determined not to leave Downing Street unless he has to. And that's for a couple of reasons. I mean, we understand at the BBC that he has a pretty low opinion of Andy Burnham, that the two men don't particularly like each other. And he also thinks, secondly, that it would just cause chaos, be bad for the country, bad for the Labour Party, and that the Labour Party would quickly find out that things wouldn't be much better for them.
31:23But, so that's what he'd like to do, but really whether he survives now depends on those 402 Labour MPs. I mean, he wants to stay, but if they don't want him and if over the next, I don't know, 24, 48, 72 hours, James, it starts to be clear that support is draining away. Well, you know, he'd be like someone trying to fight when you've taken away all their weapons. If there is a formal party leadership contest, though, I mean, how unpredictable could that be? well it would be unpredictable in the sense that the entire Labour Party membership would have a vote if the rules are followed so that basically the way it would go is if you could get 20 % of Labour MPs to nominate you you'd be on the paper that ballot paper would then go out to the country and at the moment the names that people are talking about of course are Keir Starmer himself, Wes Streeting used to be the health minister Andy Burnham but maybe the Labour Party would think maybe we should have a woman somewhere on the ballot paper but actually I think there's an awareness, James, in the Labour Party that the biggest danger they face is, you know, if they look like they're having some incredible squabble over who should be the leader, the danger is the country says, hang on a minute, this lot, they look just like the Conservatives.
32:36Weren't they always squabbling over who ought to be party leader? So a huge moment of peril for the Labour Party, despite, of course, Mr Burnham saying that he represents, you know, the possibility of hope and unity. We heard him talking about the cost of living clearly, you know, right at the top of the agenda for voters. How different a prime minister would Andy Burnham be to Keir Starmer? And are the problems that he'd face in terms of, you know, the economic challenges the UK is facing? I mean, they're not going to go away, are they? No, there's an awful lot in that question, James. Let me try and do it as fast and as concisely as possible.
33:18I mean, you're absolutely right. You know, there's a reason why Britain has been through six prime ministers in 10 years, and that's because the challenge is a huge economic, social questions about immigration. I mean, as the first bit of your question, I mean, personality-wise, absolutely he would be different. He's a much more relatable kind of guy. He finds it easier to deal with people. He sort of sounds and looks a bit sunnier and more hopeful. Policy-wise, I think there is a huge question there. I mean, Keir Starmer also talks about prioritising cost of living. The question is, are there really any profound differences in these two left of centre men in terms of the role of the state, how it should be funded, or indeed something like British foreign policy?
34:01I mean, it's not obvious, James, that there is. Rob, thank you very much indeed. Our UK politics correspondent Rob Watson there. Well, the reverberations of Brexit are still being felt in elections like the one in Makerfield yesterday, mostly in the shape of the anti-immigrant reform party led by Nigel Farage, who was the leading voice of the campaign to leave the European Union. It is almost exactly 10 years since the UK voted to leave the EU, heralding a decade of political turbulence that is still playing out. It's also had a significant economic impact, according to analysis today. Based on Bank of England data, that suggests the UK economy is 6 % smaller than if the country had stayed in the EU.
34:46Anam Menon is Professor of European Politics and Foreign Affairs at King's College London, and he's been a close watcher of Brexit since the very beginning. First of all, if Andy Burnham were to become Prime Minister, could he try to take the UK back into the European Union? I mean, as in so many other areas of policy, we really don't know what to expect from Andy Burnham. He said contradictory things on that in the past. He obviously at Labour conference last year said he wanted to rejoin. During this by-election, he said he doesn't want to talk about the EU issue. His focus has been on domestic stuff, which makes me wonder whether Europe will be such a priority.
35:21What is definitely the case, though, is there's a new debate starting inside the Labour Party, and some of his colleagues in Parliament certainly think that the government should adopt a more ambitious line. But we'll have to wait and see what he decides to do. Let me ask you about today's report on the economic effects of Brexit. This is company data compiled by the Bank of England. A 6 % hit to the economy. It sounds like a big hit. Is that better or worse than was feared? If you go back to the forecast economic organisations came up with around the time of the referendum, the broad range was around 2 % to 7%, so it fits within the range.
35:59It's very, very hard to get precise numbers on this, so I'm always a bit leery of people putting an exact number, partly because you're dealing with hypotheticals. And one of the things about this paper is it seems to me to paint a very rosy picture of what would have happened had we stayed in. But what I think we are absolutely certain about now, and this paper helps us to understand this, is there has been a significant impact on trade and there's been an impact on investment. And both those things will have had a significant impact on growth in this country. For many Leave voters, though, was it about the economics or was it more about immigration?
36:33Well, it was about immigration and more generally about control. On immigration specifically, there is no doubt that a lot of people who voted leave are disappointed because they'd expected immigration numbers to go down. And of course, under Boris Johnson, immigration numbers went up quite significantly. That being said, numbers are falling again now. But also bear in mind that that issue of control really mattered to voters. And even in the polling nowadays, you can see that voters are reluctant to countenance closer relations with the European Union if that means that the UK becomes a rule taker.
37:04So there are all sorts of trade-offs involved, as ever, with Brexit. Indeed. So you've got Leave voters who are disappointed about that. You've got this economic hit. You've obviously got people who voted to stay within the European Union, still perhaps dreaming of rejoining. How has public opinion more broadly shifted then in the last 10 years? I think what's happened in the last 10 years is we've seen a growing number of people who are willing to say that Brexit was the wrong decision, a growing number of people willing to say they'll rejoin. This isn't necessarily because loads of Leave voters have changed their minds.
37:36The swing has been brought about by three broad factors, I think. One is the combination of people who didn't vote in 2016 or who were too young to vote in 2016 are now being polled and coming out in favour of rejoin. The other thing, of course, is the age profile of people in the referendum. Leave voters tended to be older. And of course, several of those have passed on now. So the demographics have changed. So, yes, public opinion has moved, but that shouldn't be read as a whole scale changing of minds on the part of Leave voters. Why then, for whoever becomes Prime Minister, if there is a change in the next few weeks, why is it not a political no-brainer to start campaigning to rejoin?
38:15Well, I think for several reasons. Firstly, we don't know how soft those numbers are in public opinion. That is to say, just because the public think on balance it might have been a mistake to leave doesn't mean they want to go through the whole Brexit debate again. And secondly, I think the fear on some people's part is rejoining will be a messy, complicated process with a lot of hard negotiation. And would a new prime minister want to come into office and say, I'm going to dedicate so much of my time to the EU and to rejoining? Because it will automatically mean you can dedicate less time to some of the domestic reforms that Burnham's been talking about.
38:50So would the EU take the UK back at the point at which it left? We've had some comments today from the former Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier saying that shouldn't be a problem. I think the simple answer to that is there is no go back to 2016 button we can push to go back to where we were before. And there's two things worth saying. Firstly, the EU itself has changed quite profoundly since we left. And in many ways is an organisation that is even more foreign to us than it once was. It's more protectionist. It does more stuff for itself on defence. all things Britain historically didn't like.
39:26And the second thing is the EU will negotiate hard if we apply to rejoin. And I suspect that things like the rebate Mrs Thatcher got will simply not be on offer again. That was Anand Menon of King's College London.
39:49now let me just tell you briefly about well quite a diplomatic spat between president trump and his former close ally italy's prime minister georgia maloney the reason well president trump's comments to an italian tv channel about the g7 summit in france this week where he said that the italian Premier had begged him for a picture of them together and that he had agreed because he said he felt sorry for her. Well, Mrs Maloney gave her reaction on social media today.
40:22So some things deserve an immediate reply. Donald Trump's comments are completely made up. I'm frankly appalled. I don't know why the President of the United States behaves that way with his own allies, not that it's the first time it's happened. I can only say that it's a pity he doesn't have the same resolve when dealing with the enemies of the West, with the enemies of the United States and with their leaders, with whom instead he shows himself to be much more amenable. But he needs to bear one thing in mind. I never beg, and nor does Italy. Giorgia Maloney. Incidentally, the Italian Foreign Minister Antonio Tajani, who was due to go to the US this weekend, has cancelled his trip because of the comments which he called grave and offensive.
41:04Let me just recap our breaking news. At the beginning of the program, a senior U.S. official has confirmed to the BBC that Israel and Hezbollah have agreed to a ceasefire. It was meant to come into effect about 45 minutes ago. An Israeli military spokesman has said that a ceasefire was now in place, but that the army would resume hostilities if called upon. You're listening to NewsHour.
41:34Well, let's return to the agreement between the US and Iran and what it means for shipping through the Strait of Hormuz, that crucial waterway between Iran and the Gulf states for exports such as oil, gas, fertiliser and much else. The economic impact of the closure is, many would argue, what's driving the agreement. Well, let's talk to Dr Philip Belscher, who's Marine Director at InterTanko. That's the International Association of Independent Tanker Owners. Philip, good to have you with us here on the programme. Hundreds of tankers, they've been stuck in the strait for weeks. Are they beginning to leave?
42:08Yeah, thanks, James. They are starting to at the moment. There's always been a couple of routes in and out of the Gulf, one controlled by Iran and the other one facilitated by the US off Oman. I mean, last night, the team in Bahrain from the US managed to get nine ships in and 16 ships out through the Omani Channel. So they are moving, but it's still only a fraction of what we had prior to the war, where we had about 130 ships transits every day. Is it safe? That's a difficult question. It's a lot safer now that we've got the MOU signed and in place. Prior to that, ships were getting drones thrown towards them, particularly on the Imani route, on a near daily basis.
42:55There hasn't been any attacks in the last two nights. And so it's certainly getting safer. There's a navigational risk, there's a mine risk, but they're starting to be mitigated now. How long do you think it'll take to clear the backlog? Well, at the moment, unless the routes are widened, we had the maximum number last night through the Omani route, and through the Iranian route it's slightly less, but they may step up soon. If we're moving on those volumes, it's going to take a long time. But if we can widen the routes, get the mines cleared out of the main route in the centre of the traffic separation scheme, in the main sort of highway through the area.
43:30Then we can get back to normal levels very, very quickly. But we need the mines out. Right. And when you say very quickly, I mean, are we talking weeks then rather than months? We're certainly talking weeks before we get this whole backlog out and in. There's 550 ships or so in the Gulf which need to come out. At the rate we're doing now, that's going to take a while. And that's just taking the oil that's already, oil, grain, fertiliser, etc., that's already on board those ships out. We then need the empty ships to come back in to load and take that out as well. So it's going to take a bit of time, particularly to get the oil and gas of entries going again from the Gulf.
44:07And what are your concerns and the concerns of your members about sort of future arrangements? I mean, there's a report in the Financial Times today that Iran may ask for what it calls insurance fees for ships passing through the strait. I mean, are there going to be additional controls, blocks, money that needs to be paid for ships to pass through, do you think? Yeah, thanks. This is a great question. I mean, in paragraph five of the MAU, it talks about how Iran will define the future arrangements and traffic going through following dialogue and discussions with other states. So it's down to the final arbiter of being Iran on this.
44:46This has been published today from the Persian Gulf Straits Authority, a newly organised thing which actually has some sanctions on it as well. And in that, it's got this requirement that they will be waiving the fee for any new insurance until the 60 days effectively is up. So we then have to see it. For us, it's got to be freedom of navigation. Freedom of navigation has to be free. And that's a key point in this. And it should be within any agreement here. Thank you very much indeed. That was Philip Belsher, Marine Director at InterTanker, that association of independent tanker owners.
45:25Now in the South Asian film community, a British co-production, a gay romance set in India, has become one of the more talked about movies of recent times. Called Cactus Pears, it is a low-budget feature portraying a gay romance in a conservative rural farming community. It arrives in UK cinemas this week after a long run on the festival circuit, including in the US, where it picked up a major award. From New York, Tom Brook reports. It's the story of Anand from Mumbai visiting his ancestral home to observe the mourning ritual following the death of his father. While there, he develops a close bond with a local farmer, an old childhood friend.
46:14For director Rohan Kunawade, this partly autobiographical story is an attempt to depict a relationship often stigmatised in Indian cinema. I don't look at it as a queer romance. I want to show these characters as human beings, to show men in a more authentic way than how they are usually depicted in films. There was this one audience member who messaged me saying, you know what, I was so close-minded before. After watching your film, it really helped me open my mind. For the film's London-based producer Kaushik Ray, what was significant with this picture was that it shines a light on relationships within a traditional culture that are often overlooked.
46:55In India, like in many countries, so many queer stories remain hidden and there are an absolute multitude of stories that really we felt need to be told.
47:10There's also an American dimension to this rural Indian story. It became the first Indian fiction feature film to win the World Cinema Grand Jury Prize when it was launched at the Sundance Film Festival. Then it won the influential endorsement of the mother of Zohar Mamdani, the mayor of New York, who happens to be acclaimed filmmaker Mira Nair, who's a big fan of Cactus Pears director Rowan Kunuwade. I just loved how Rohan approached it. And I come from Cinema Vaite, I come from the cinema of truth in the street, and he has made a quietly told, pretty rigorous fiction feature film, but in that completely life as it is lived kind of space, you know.
47:55But for the South Asian diaspora and others, what's most significant about this feature film is its rural Indian setting for a gay-themed film. Kaushik Ray again. In queer cinema generally, so much centres around an urban life and very often centres around a white Western life. So the fact that we can set this authentically in India in a rural setting is hugely important. And its supporters think Cactus Pears represents an evolution in how gay characters have been portrayed in Indian cinema. Miranaya. If you had gay characters at all, it was much more flamboyant, sometimes parodies. It was never the most tender, normal human being like we are.
48:41Cactus Pears is a small, unhurried Indian film that's achieved quite a lot, not just by way of its many accolades, but because for the South Asian LGBTQ community, it's seen as an authentic and respectful portrayal rarely seen in cinema. And that was the BBC's Tom Brook reporting there from New York. You can get all the latest updates on the situation between Israel and Hezbollah, that ceasefire that was agreed while we were on the air. There is a live page now up and running with updates on that story and, of course, reaction. at bbc.com forward slash news. But that is it for this edition of News Hour from me and the rest of the team.
49:18Thanks so much for listening. Until the next time. Bye-bye.
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Israel and Lebanon have agreed to a ceasefire, a senior US official has confirmed to the BBC. Earlier, planned talks to cement the ceasefire between Iran and the US were delayed with reports suggesting it was due to Iranian concern over Israel's actions in Lebanon.
Also on the programme: the by-election result that could decide Britain's next prime minister; and how the resident organist for the Boston Red Sox baseball team has been entertaining visiting Scottish football fans.
(Photo: Khadija Amara, whom local residents said had not left her home, fills a jerrycan with water as she sits among the rubble of a house, which was damaged by an Israeli strike in the Tyre district, southern Lebanon on June 19, 2026.)
