Israel and Hezbollah continue to trade strikes despite 'ceasefire'

20 Jun 2026 · 45 min · 22 chapters

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In short

The episode (BBC NewsHour Live) focuses on renewed Israel–Hezbollah violence despite a ceasefire announced less than 24 hours earlier, and whether that undermines a US–Iran deal signed this week. Israel says it is retaliating for Hezbollah attacks, including 50 projectiles fired overnight and earlier strikes that killed about 47 people in Nabatea. Lebanese officials report at least 15 deaths after the new wave of strikes; Ugo Batshega describes mass casualties and ambulances taking bodies to the morgue. The episode also discusses how Iran is selling the deal domestically (recognition of Iran’s missile/missile program and rights to low-level enrichment; unfreezing billions) and argues Lebanon’s ceasefire is a “red line” in the memorandum.

Guests

Ugo Batshega (BBC Middle East correspondent, reporting from Nabatea); Omar Khazani (Los Angeles Times reporter in Tehran); Anshul Pfeffer (Economist Israel correspondent); Lise Doucette (BBC chief international correspondent, reporting from Switzerland/London).

Key claims

the ceasefire is “lesser fire,” terms are vague, Netanyahu faces domestic pressure, and Iran expects leverage via the Strait of Hormuz.

Notable examples

Nabatea hospital scene; Iranian market/currency rebound; criticism of Netanyahu/Trump over missing long-range missile guarantees.

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Escalating Violence Amid Ceasefire

0:42 to 1:11

Discussion on the recent clashes between Israel and Hezbollah after a ceasefire.

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Escalating Violence Amid Ceasefire

1:25 to 2:28

Discussion on the recent clashes between Israel and Hezbollah after a ceasefire.

“Lebanese officials say that at least 15 people have been killed.”

On-the-Ground Report from Nabatia

2:28 to 5:05

Detailed report from a correspondent in Nabatia during the conflict.

“Our Middle East correspondent Ugo Batshega was in Nabatea yesterday and sent this report.”

Iran's Perspective on US Deal

5:05 to 9:46

Insights from a reporter in Tehran about the US-Iran deal and its implications.

“The BBC's Ugo Bechega with that report from southern Lebanon.”

Analyzing Israeli Response

9:46 to 13:52

Discussion with an Israeli correspondent regarding the conflict's impact on peace efforts.

“We can cross now to Tel Aviv and speak to Anshul Pfeffer, Israel correspondent at The Economist.”

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14:00 to 14:16

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Ceasefire and Casualties in Lebanon

14:16 to 15:04

Discussion on the aftermath of Israeli airstrikes and a declared ceasefire.

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Train Collision Investigation

15:04 to 15:32

Details of a tragic train collision in the UK and eyewitness accounts.

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Eyewitness Accounts of the Train Crash

15:32 to 17:30

Eyewitness describes the horrific moments during the train collision.

“Emergency services declared a major incident.”

Expert Analysis on Train Safety

17:30 to 19:23

Discussion with railway journalist on safety measures and investigations.

“We so rarely have them that it's very difficult to really make big comparisons.”
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Safe Haven Play and Historical Context

19:23 to 24:16

Exploration of the play 'Safe Haven' based on Kurdish struggles against Saddam Hussein.

“Now in 1991, after the First Gulf War, the Kurds of northern Iraq carried out an uprising against the brutal government of President Saddam Hussein.”

Made in China: A Global Story

24:16 to 24:56

Discussion on the evolution of the phrase 'Made in China' and its implications.

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World Cup Red Card Controversy

25:06 to 28:00

Discussion on a historic red card issued during a World Cup match.

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Discussion on Competition Regulations

28:00 to 28:25

Explore the implications of new competition regulations on players.

“But what is interesting is this is very much at the discretion of the competition organisers to quote IFAB.”

Cuba's Economic Struggles and Government Reforms

28:41 to 29:25

Discuss the impact of the US blockade and Cuba's proposed reforms.

“And next we're heading to Cuba, which is continuing to struggle under the effects of the three months or so fuel blockade imposed by the Trump administration.”

Insights from Businessman Hugo Cancio

29:25 to 32:34

Hugo Cancio shares his views on Cuba's economic reforms and diaspora.

“We're joined live now by businessman Hugo Cancio.”

The Arts and Cultural Resilience in Cuba

32:34 to 36:32

Explore the cultural contributions of Cuba amid its economic crisis.

“That's businessman Ugo Cancio there speaking to us from Miami.”

Political Turmoil for UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer

36:32 to 41:17

Analysis of the pressures facing Keir Starmer amidst internal party challenges.

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Continued Strikes Between Israel and Hezbollah

41:17 to 42:00

Examine the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hezbollah despite a ceasefire.

“Israel has carried out further strikes on southern Lebanon, saying it's responding to attacks from Hezbollah, a day after a new ceasefire was announced.”

Netanyahu's Security Promises and European Heatwaves

42:00 to 42:35

Discussion on Netanyahu's claims regarding Israeli security and a brief mention of weather in Europe.

“The two things that Netanyahu has been presenting to the Israeli public for so long is that he is the one who can guarantee Israeli security from Iran.”

Live Update on Israel-Hezbollah Conflict

42:41 to 46:10

Lise Doucette provides an update on the ongoing exchanges of fire between Israel and Hezbollah despite a ceasefire.

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Challenges to the Ceasefire and Future Deal Prospects

46:10 to 46:36

Analysis of the challenges facing the ceasefire and the likelihood of the deal holding.

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1:18Hello and welcome to NewsHour live from the BBC World Service in London. I'm Rebecca Kesby. Could the latest clashes between Israel and Hezbollah derail the peace agreement signed this week between the US and Iran? Less than 24 hours since a ceasefire was announced between Israel and the Iranian-backed group Hezbollah, and already there's been a new wave of Israeli attacks involving warplanes, drones, artillery, including in the eastern Beqar Valley, a traditional stronghold of Hezbollah. Lebanese officials say that at least 15 people have been killed. Well, the Israeli military had warned that it would retaliate if Hezbollah continued attacks on northern Israel.

2:01And earlier today, an Israeli military official said that 50 projectiles had been fired towards Israel overnight. We did ask the Israeli government for an interview on this, but no one was available. But the latest violence follows Israeli strikes on Friday that killed around 47 people and wounded nearly 100 others in Nabatea. Israel says it was retaliation for the killing of four soldiers by Hezbollah. Our Middle East correspondent Ugo Batshega was in Nabatea yesterday and sent this report.

2:37We've just arrived at the hospital here in Nabatea and we've just heard two loud explosions in the distance. a third one. I can see a huge plume of dense, thick smoke billowing from a location not far from here, just behind the hills.

3:04And the airstacks continue. The ambulances that arrive drive straight past the emergency room and pull up to the morgue. The workers look exhausted. They remove the body bag from the car, take it into the morgue, but leave it on the floor. I'm not allowed in, but peering through the door, I can see it's full. More than 40 bodies, I'm told. The new dad joined the old, all killed in the same war. It has been the most intense night since the beginning of the war, and there were many civilian casualties because lots of people had returned to their homes. Ali is with the Red Cross. One of his best friends was killed in the strikes.

3:50He's holding back tears. The problem is that here in Lebanon, we got used to it. And I have been a first responder with the Red Cross for more than 30 years. And deaths now are only a number to us.

4:08It's been a very intense afternoon. As we are perched on this hilltop, we have a 360-degree view of the valley and all the surrounding villages are being hit.

4:21We've just left the hospital and on the road there was a motorcycle still in flames after being hit by an airstrike and an emergency team retrieving a body. There's only one road out of Nabatia now who's speeding up to leave the city. There's now a new ceasefire in Lebanon between Israel and Hezbollah. But here, the same watchful Israeli drone flies overhead. Efforts have so far failed to bring quiet to this country. The Lebanese wait, sceptical but hopeful to finally have some peace. The BBC's Ugo Bechega with that report from southern Lebanon. Well, during the negotiations ahead of the US-Iran deal signed this week, Tehran had insisted that a ceasefire in southern Lebanon was a crucial part of the deal.

5:21So do these latest clashes put the US-Iran deal in jeopardy? A short time ago, we got through to Omar Khazani. He's a reporter for the Los Angeles Times, currently in Tehran. And first, I asked him how the Iranian authorities are spinning the deal to the people. So far, it's been welcomed by people on the streets and by the media circles and also journalists and analysts in Tehran as a success for Tehran. And more importantly, it was quite a difficult thing to sell to the public, especially after the assassination of the Iran Supreme Leader. Negotiating with the United States was a red line for authorities, but it seems that they're actually selling it as a success to the public and public are welcoming it.

6:14Right. I mean, there's been so few details about exactly what's in this deal. Are there any parts of it that are being picked out and pointed to by the authorities in Tehran? What do they understand is in the deal? The recognition of Iran's missile program, which seems that was a red line for Trump administration in previous negotiations, seems that no longer they are trying to say that there should be no missiles, no enrichment at all. And now Iranian authorities are saying that they have recognized our rights for enrichment, though it's the low level of enrichment, but it's been recognized by Trump administration.

6:57And they say this is sold to the public as a great success. The government is talking about gaining such success as the US government has agreed to unfreeze Iran's billions of dollars of frozen assets. And in terms of how ordinary people feel about it, there must be some disquiet about what's happening in southern Lebanon. That was one of the red lines for the regime in Tehran that they wanted a ceasefire in southern Lebanon. We understand that's not really holding at the moment. Yes, actually, no. Majority of the people here on the streets are happy about the deal. But ordinary people on the streets are skeptical about how it's going to hold or it's going to last how long because they say basically Trump is a whimsical person and Bibi Netanyahu is a person who wants to devastate the deal because basically it's not in his favor.

7:55But if we take a look at the markets in Iran, markets show that the Iranian society, Iranian business, Iranian economy has relatively positively reacted to the deal. The Iran stock market has started to grow in the past two weeks, you know, substantial growth, 12 % every week. And Iran's currency, which had depreciated 30-40 % before the war started, has started to regain its value in the past two or three weeks. Though currently the economic situation is not very good because the rampant inflation, which started from January, is still having its effect on the lives of ordinary people. So is the thinking then that this deal will hold no matter what happens in southern Lebanon?

8:48Or is there a fear that it will fall apart and then what? When you're talking to journalists or experts, they say that it's going to hold because Iran has a new leverage and that's the Strait of Hormuz. And this is a real bargaining chip and a card that Iran can play anytime. Is it possible to know how Mr Trump is viewed in Tehran at the moment by the leadership? If you talk to senior Iranian politicians, they do not take him very seriously now because they had his threats and he did not make good on his threats a couple of times. The positions that Iranian authorities are taking these days, I think that they are more hard line than a couple of months ago.

9:37And they believe that they can win against him. That's Ahmed Khazani there, reporter for the Los Angeles Times, currently in Tehran, speaking to us a short time ago. We can cross now to Tel Aviv and speak to Anshul Pfeffer, Israel correspondent at The Economist. Anshul, thanks for coming on. First of all, on these latest clashes in South Lebanon, we did try to speak to the Israeli government today. We couldn't get anyone available to speak. But the military has said the actions of the Israeli forces are in direct retaliation of Hezbollah attacks. But doesn't this latest violence undermine that peace deal between the United States and Iran?

10:24Well, it certainly undermines the deal since the deal includes a ceasefire. The deal, the memorandum of understanding is what we have so far, does include a ceasefire in Lebanon. But the terms there are extremely vague. And it seems that both Iran has problems reigning in its proxy, Hezbollah, and Israel is acting independently despite what Donald Trump has requested from Netanyahu. But where does this leave the relationship between Mr. Netanyahu and Mr. Trump? because, you know, Mr. Neznyan is insisting there's unfinished business in Lebanon, but we know that relationship is under strain. We saw J.D.

11:06Vance coming out very critically towards Israeli factions last week. Isn't that relationship under strain by this? It's under a great deal of strain and we're seeing in the open way in which both Mr. Trump and Vice President Vance have both been very critical of the Israeli government in recent days. At the same time, there is a war going on on the ground between Hezbollah and Israel. Israeli troops are operating in southern Lebanon. Hezbollah is firing at them. And then last week, they also launched rockets inside Israel. So as you said, it's unfinished business. And while Trump seems to be very happy with the deal that he's reached, It doesn't have adequate details and guarantees in it to end the situation in Lebanon at the same time.

11:58What did you make of Omid's analysis there coming from Tehran, saying that the regime there are looking at this as if they've got new leverage because of the Strait of Hormuz. They're very triumphant that they're getting to keep their long range missiles, which is something that Mr Netanyahu was very concerned about before this war. Yeah, and that's not something that's been addressed in the deal, the long-range missiles, which is a huge concern for Israel. And one of the reasons there's a lot of criticism here in Israel, both of Netanyahu for launching a war in which this issue hasn't been dealt with, and with Donald Trump for reaching a deal where the issue is not addressed.

12:40So here in Jerusalem, there's a huge amount of criticism, both of Netanyahu and of Trump. But that does put Netanyahu in a bind, especially with what's happening in Lebanon, where it doesn't seem as if he can really fully call the shots. And if he does give order to the Israeli army to continue fighting there, then he risks the strategic relationship with America. Well, and he's in an awkward position anyway, isn't he? Because it's an election year in Israel. And if the polls are to be believed, he doesn't look as if he's doing very well. No, the polls are not very good for Netanyahu right now.

13:13And basically, he has now taken two blows because the two things that Netanyahu has been presenting to the Israeli public for so long is that he is the one who can guarantee Israeli security from Iran. That doesn't seem to have been dealt with. And he is the one who has a unique, intimate relationship with Donald Trump and the experience and the closeness to work with him like no other person. And that doesn't seem to be the case right now either. So on Netanyahu's two main selling points to the Israeli public, he's really taken a battering in the last few days. Very good to speak to you, Anshul, as always.

13:51Thank you so much for coming on. That's Anshul Pfeffer there, Israel correspondent for The Economist there. And we'll bring you up to date with any more developments on that story here on NewsHour for the BBC World Service.

14:15Coming up later, the enduring appeal of the album The Queen Is Dead by the UK indie band The Smiths, 40 years after it was released. It's obviously a classic record, classic songwriting, great musicianship as well, actually, which isn't often noted. Brilliant lyrics, they're funny. They're great twists and melancholy and humour. Great titles as well, each. The title's like a name, like a vignette, it's like a film title or a book title. More on that to come this hour and our top story this hour. A number of people have been reportedly killed by Israeli airstrikes on southern Lebanon. A day after, a ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah was announced and Bolivia's president, Rodrigo Paz, has declared a state of emergency, saying he's determined to end road blockades by protesters that have paralysed the country.

15:15This is Rebecca Kesby with NewsHour live from the BBC. Next, here in Britain, an investigation is underway after two trains collided on Friday afternoon just north of London. The driver of one of the trains was killed in the crash. 89 other people were injured and of them, nine are said to be in a critical condition. Emergency services declared a major incident. Passengers have been describing the moment it happened. And Brett Byatt is a teacher. He was on the train and a warning. His description is pretty graphic. People flew into one another and chairs broke. When people flew into one another, the seats that they were on broke backwards into the people behind them.

16:01I'd probably say 90 % of the people on my carriage had injuries. I'd probably say four of us were uninjured in a full carriage. Everyone else had either a serious wound that was bleeding profusely or a situation where they couldn't stand or they couldn't move their neck. Well, Tony Miles is a railway journalist and a contributor to Modern Railways magazine. He joins us live. Tony, what do we think happened to cause this crash? it's it's too early to get any uh absolute details obviously what we've got is two trains sort of going in the same direction and one has stopped to report a problem and another train has gone into the back of it so the investigations are going to be over whether the signals protecting the train that had stopped were definitely red protecting it and stopping any trains coming in that direction.

16:57Were they correctly showing red signals? And then did the driver on the train that sadly lost his life respond to those signals correctly? And was he trying to stop or did he misread them or were they showing the wrong colours? So it's either a problem with the signalling or the train and the investigators are now trying to work out which it is or could it be a combination of both. Well some of the injuries do sound very bad indeed. I mean eyewitnesses talking of lots, multiple injuries in a couple of the carriages. How does this compare to other rail crashes in the UK? And what's the safety record?

17:35We so rarely have them that it's very difficult to really make big comparisons. The railways in the UK have a very strong safety record, probably one of the safest in Europe, if not the safest. And so there's not a lot of data on injuries from crashes at this sort of speed. Unfortunately, it wasn't very high speed because the rear train had just come across a junction and would have only just been starting to pick up speed anyway. But there's a lot of research that goes into the interaction between people and things like tables and other seats and so on. And there's strong safety protocols in the design of railway vehicles, the seats and everything inside.

18:17So obviously, a lot of people want to learn from this to find out if there's things that could be done better. It does seem as if staff on the train were able to help passengers to evacuate. The driver we now know had been killed, but there've been a series of strikes here in the UK recently protesting against the idea of driver only trains. I guess that's sort of thrown up in this example again. It did cross my mind almost as soon as I saw that staff had been acting very professionally, not only in assisting passengers, but also they took actions to make sure that the signals on adjacent tracks were set back at red to make sure any other trains that were coming in either direction were alerted by red signals.

18:59So a very professional action. And one of the questions, sadly, I asked many years ago of people proposing removal of extra chaff on trains was what happens if the driver who would be the only person in a train, if their plans came to fruition, what would happen if that driver was incapacitated in some way? And I think this will inform discussions. Tony, good to speak to you. Thanks so much for joining us. That's Tony Miles there, contributor to Modern Railways magazine.

19:30Now in 1991, after the First Gulf War, the Kurds of northern Iraq carried out an uprising against the brutal government of President Saddam Hussein. It was unsuccessful and fearing revenge, hundreds of thousands of Kurds fled into the mountains. The UK military, along with other allied countries, created a safe haven in northern Iraq to keep Saddam's forces out and to protect the Kurdish population. A play about those events called Safe Haven is on in London next week and the BBC's Martin Venard has been to see it.

20:07I am not hiding, I'm not hiding. I'm watching. I'm at the Arcola Theatre in London where they're rehearsing for the play Safe Haven, which begins soon, and I'm with some of the actors and the director and the writer of the play. My name's Chris Bowers. I'm a former British diplomat and former journalist. So, Chris, just tell us why you wanted to write this play. Because it's an amazing story. There was a potential genocide happening in the Kurdish mountains, and a few brave British diplomats prevented a genocide. So your story, it's based around who? It's based around one of the key British diplomats, Catherine Rowe, who is the heroine of the story.

20:50So they worked around the Foreign Office because she felt herself to be an outsider. She was very interested in human rights. And sadly, she actually had to leave the Foreign Office at the end of the year because she'd gone too far. And the irony is that she'd gone too far actually in helping save hundreds of thousands of lives. Fighting in the mountains is not the only way. We need to train doctors too. Anyway, we must stick to the story. My name is Yad Deen. I'm the producer and director of Safe Haven. I was born in Kurdistan. My parents and I fled when I was six or seven months. I have a very personal connection to this story, that journey that they made through the mountains, on foot, on horseback, to the border of Iran.

21:32So when Chris approached me to direct and produce Safe Haven, I was immediately drawn to it. I think I'll show you so many times to learn. I still don't know how to do it. I think you've got it. I'm Boo Jackson. I play Catherine in Safe Haven. How do you see the role? How do you bring across her role to the public? We met her on the first day of rehearsals, which was amazing. She's completely remarkable. It's a funny balancing act of her being a woman in the Foreign Office in 1991 who was able to make such profound change, but also having to kind of play the game of navigating being a woman in that environment.

22:12She talks a lot about feeling like an outsider in an inside institution, so kind of playing with that. So yeah, it's been a lot of navigation of that. Should my husband stop fighting Saddam? Of course not. And should I not be there for him when he returns? No. Hi, I'm Omar Agha, and I'm playing Dulaur Alaeddin, a doctor from Kurdistan, also a real person, also someone who we met. He is, and was, but in the world of the play as well, heavily involved in raising awareness of what was happening in Kurdistan, also trying to rescue his own sister, who was left behind there. while everything's happening in the foreign office branch of our story, he's trying to lobby and trying to get awareness.

22:50I'm Iraqi Kurd. And yeah, it's interesting because when I read about this story, I called my mum. My mum was around when this was happening. It's pretty emotional to be part of them telling that story. Do you hear that? Don't move. What if it's the gas? Let go. I'm Lisa Zara and I play Anne and Zaria. Anne is the wife of Clive, who works in the foreign office and was a diplomat as well. Zaria, we say she's Kurdish-Iranian in this, so she's from a different part to Najat, from the lead characters in the story who's in the mountains, and they come across one another. I'm Iranian-Welsh, and so I did know about Safe Haven, but more so I knew about the suffering that the Kurdish community have gone through.

23:31And how important is it today that people get to know about this story? We have to keep telling these stories because they're not going away. Art is a way of being able to really tell true stories about these special, wonderful people.

23:49Martin Venard reporting, and that new play Safe Haven is on in London next week, tracking that historic moment back in 1991 after the Kurdish uprising in northern Iraq.

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25:06Welcome back to NewsHour and more on that game between Paraguay and Turkey last night at the World Cup. Because there was an historic decision taken. Player Miguel Almiron was given the first ever red card for covering his mouth while saying something to a member of the opposition team. It's the first time this rule has actually been applied since it came in. Let's get some more details with Henry Winter. He's a columnist for sports magazine World Soccer, joining us live from the United States. Henry, first of all, I mean, this could have been a very important red card. Talk us through the rule and why it came in.

25:51historic moment because what happened a few months ago in a club game between Benfica and Real Madrid the Benfica player Gianluca Prestiani covered his mouth and said something to Vinny Jr the Real Madrid attacker which was deemed to be eventually either racist or homophobic and they then decided to actually clamp down even more on this so could actually a player could be sent off when it happens during a game. So as you mentioned, the Paraguay player, Almiron, who's not actually having the best of World Cups, having been booked already for diving, he obscured his lips and was deemed to have said something and was red carded.

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26:32Right. So they're obviously trying to clamp down early and enforce this law at the earliest opportunity. But I mean, it is quite common, isn't it, for players to hide what they're saying when they're talking to colleagues, you know, perhaps when they're taking a corner or that sort of thing. And that's such an important point. So the aim is for it to be focused on when one player is being confrontational, as they call it, as the referee perceives it, to a player from the opposite team. It's not, as you say, when they're trying to pass on tactical instructions to each other, what runs they're going to make, who they should pick up, how a corner should be played.

27:07Right. But do we know at this stage what was said to the player by Miguel Almiron? We don't. And this is one of the elements of it. And while there was a slight surprise, they brought in a red card. Clearly FIFA, the governing body of world football and IFAB, who are the lawmakers, wanted to clamp down. And they often do this with World Cups. They bring in new rules and we have a clamp down. And then there's a big debate about consistency. but they were slight surprised they went really full on with a red card rather than with a yellow card immediately. But in football's fight against racism and homophobia, you know, there can't be any short measures.

27:45And briefly, how's it going down with players? Because a lot of these players do, you know, come up against each other in club matches as well, don't they? So there's all sorts of rivalries and reasons why they might have something to jibe at the other one. It doesn't necessarily mean it would be racist or homophobic. No, but I think the argument is if you're hiding your lips and whether it's bringing the shirt up over your lips or putting your hand over your lips, then you've obviously got something to hide and they are absolutely clamping down on that. But what is interesting is this is very much at the discretion of the competition organisers to quote IFAB.

28:17So it'd be interesting to see if the Premier League and other major leagues take it on next season. Good point. Nice to speak to you, Henry. Thank you so much for that. That's Henry Winter there, columnist for sports magazine World Soccer, currently in the United States, of course, for the World Cup.

28:36You're listening to NewsHour Live from the BBC. I'm Rebecca Kesby. And next we're heading to Cuba, which is continuing to struggle under the effects of the three months or so fuel blockade imposed by the Trump administration.

28:54That's the sound of volunteers from the Catholic NGO Caritas unloading humanitarian aid from the US in Santiago de Cuba in the southern part of the island there. But meanwhile, the US State Department has criticised the Cuban government's proposed economic reforms as superficial smoke signals. This week, the communist government in Havana said it wants to open up more opportunities to private businesses and foreign investors, as well as relax the rules on state-owned entities. So let's look at that idea and whether it would work. We're joined live now by businessman Hugo Cancio. He's a Cuban-American in Miami and has been running a company called Catapult, which apparently is a bit like a Cuban Amazon.

29:40Hugo, welcome to the programme. First of all, what do you make of the Cuban government's proposed plans? Is this something attractive to you? Well, thank you for inviting me. This is something that I've been advocating for many years with the Cuban government. The opening of the economy, a profound economic reforms that includes the Cuban diaspora, which in my personal opinion is Cuba's current biggest assets. We have no oil. We have no sugar production. the Cuba's biggest asset right now is this massive diaspora over 2 million Cubans that we not only will bring capital, we'll bring know-how, experiences, and our desire to invest in our homeland.

30:26So this is a great step forward. This is a good economic reform. I know the State Department sees this as a very light economic reform, but in the opinion of some of us in this community, we welcome that opportunity for the first time in in in cubans history we're able to return and invest in our homeland well that's right i mean do you trust the government though to um you know keep to its word and let businesses like yours operate more freely or freely and allow you to make a difference well there's a precedent there not only what what catapult does there's a resilient private sector that has taken over the Cuban economy for the past two, three years.

31:10They are the ones that are holding the Cuban economy on their shoulders. They're the one importing over a billion dollars worth of food and beverages from the United States. They're the one that has all the grocery stores. They're the one that are doing logistics and public transportation. So they're an example that that desire exists. Plus the fact that Cuba is, the Cuban government is fighting for their survival. I don't think there's a turning back on this. And what do you make of the State Department getting involved, you know, calling it superficial smoke signals, being pretty disparaging about it?

31:46And of course, the United States are behind that blockade, which is part of the reason so many Cubans are suffering at the moment. Well, you know, the State Department, it's demanding a more broader economic reform. I'm focused and some of us are focused of the fact that it's a huge step for the Cuban government to recognize us, the Cuban diaspora, especially the one living in the United States, and has invited us to come back and invest in Cuba, even though we're not allowed to in certain sectors because of the U.S. economic embargo on Cuba. But I personally welcome the opportunity to return, if I can.

32:30Of course. All right. Very good to speak to you, Ugo. Thanks so much. That's businessman Ugo Cancio there speaking to us from Miami. Well, despite the increased economic and political turmoil in Cuba at the moment, the nation's great export is, of course, its arts and culture. And you might be familiar with the name Carlos Acosta. He's one of the most influential figures in contemporary ballet. And three years ago, he created a training programme for young dancers as part of his Acosta Danza Academy in Havana, the aim to promote the next generation of Cuban performers. And the youth group are currently here in the UK on tour and the BBC's Isabella Jewell went to meet them.

33:14There has been throughout the recent history a lot of exodus from the island and even recently as well we have experienced exodus, massive exodus from Cuba. So I think Susanna Ponce, the choreography, wanted to tackle that theme that always has been at the heart of the Cuban diaspora. Carlos Acosta's young dancers are putting in some last-minute practice before a week of dance performances at Sadler's Wells East in London.

33:46This dance is called Fua and touches upon a difficult reality for many Cubans, emigration. While official figures on this haven't been released by the government, Cuban economist Juan Carlos Albuzu Campos estimates that the island's population fell by 18 % between 2022 and 2023. And the situation on the island is getting worse. A fuel crisis due to the US blockade is causing regular blackouts and the collapse of Cuba's tourism industry. So how does Acosta Danza keep going? That's a major operation, but we try to do absolutely the best we can so that still these dancers can carry on having a future in dance in general and don't be distracted by what's going on in Cuba at the moment.

34:39I think we are very resilient and we also see our artistry as a refuge. So long as there is a place to dance and there is a sort of like a family vibe where we protect each other, we keep them motivated and keep their careers going. Heidi Nunez is one of the principal dancers in the Next Generation Showcase. In between rehearsals, she tells me why she connects so deeply with the choreography of the performance. I imagine the outside of the island as opportunities or dreams or maybe just someone that I miss so much. I have a duet, which is like a goodbye. so I try to picture someone that I miss and remember that specific time when I had to let that person go.

35:37All of the dancers are between 18 and 21 years old. There are several dancers on the bill, all exploring different themes and styles. Carlos Acosta explains his vision behind the performance. The style evening, it has so many pathways And so it offers what Acosta Danza is all about, which is a melting pot of dances, a fusion, a syncretism as the symbol of the Cuban race, which, as we all know, is a sort of a melting pot of races.

36:15Acosta Danza yonier are bringing the energy of youth and the colour of Cuba to the stage. A far cry from recent headlines about their island.

36:29The BBC's Isabella Jewell reporting there. Now, the British Prime Minister Keir Starmer is under more pressure to resign today. His governing Labour Party won this week's by-election convincingly, but the victor Andy Burnham has made no secret of his criticism of Starmer's leadership or his own ambitions to replace him as Prime Minister. Now a senior figure in the Labour Party, Lord Faulkner, who was Lord Chancellor in Tony Blair's government, has told Keir Starmer it's time to go. This is what he told the BBC earlier. I think we have to move as quickly as possible. The position is completely unmaintainable for the country.

37:07We have a Prime Minister who has got absolutely no authority. The reason he's got no authority is because everybody assumes that Andy Burnham is about to challenge for the leadership and everybody assumes he's going to win. So if you've got a Prime Minister who's only got at most weeks to go, he is not able to control his cabinet, He's not able to command the commons. He's not able to deal with our allies and indeed our enemies in a way that is required. So I've been speaking to George Parker, political editor of the Financial Times here in London. So Lord Faulkner is calling for Starmer to go soon.

37:39What are Keir Starmer's options and what will he do? Well, Keir Starmer has said publicly that he will fight for his job, but he's got a really agonising weekend ahead of him. He's going to be talking to his cabinet colleagues, to his friends, to his family, trying to work out whether he really can fight to save his job. Now, my very strong sense is that he will be getting a clear message from people he trusts that the game's up, that he is going to have to at least announce a timetable for his departure because you can see his authorities draining away. And, of course, he recently lost his defence secretary on a policy issue and also another armed forces minister as well.

38:19I mean, this is John Healy, who's someone, a mild-mannered politician, normally extremely loyal to the Prime Minister. And in his resignation letter, he came with this really devastating critique that the Prime Minister was unable, as he put it, to find the money necessary to defend the country. Now, that is the first priority of any Prime Minister to defend the country. And when someone like John Healy is saying you're not up to the job, that's really serious. So the big threat to Starm is obviously coming from Andy Burnham. He has just won the Makerfield by-election. It takes him back to Parliament.

38:50It means he would be able to challenge. He's got a lot of supporters in the party. But how will his fate fare? Yeah, I think Andy Burnham feels like he's got unstoppable momentum off the back of that by-election victory. But why did he win? He's relatable to the public. He's a great communicator. He projects optimism. But, and it's a huge but, he will confront exactly the same political and economic constraints that Keir Starmer has been labouring under for the last two years since he became Prime Minister. And it's one thing being the mayor of Greater Manchester, where you run the bus services and you can blame everything that goes wrong on the big bad government down south in London.

39:29When you are the big bad government in London, the buck stops on your desk. And he's going to face a whole load of very difficult challenges, whether it's finding money for defence or all the other public services need funding when the country's already heavily in debt and taxes that are very high level. He faces some very tough decisions very quickly. And I think one of the reasons why Andy Burnham wants there to be an orderly transition, possibly running into September with the Prime Minister Keir Starmer possibly stepping aside in a couple of months time, is it will give him time. And frankly, I think he needs time to try to work out what some of his answers are to those problems.

40:03Also, I mean, you mentioned communication and that Andy Burnham's good at communication. Keir Starmer's a lawyer. He's always been criticised as being a little bit grey, lacking charisma, that sort of thing. But I mean, some of the things he's achieved possibly have been underplayed. Net migration was down. Growth is looking slightly better than was predicted in recent months. Why is Keir Starmer so unpopular? It's a really good question. I think anyone listening to this outside Britain will think what on earth is going on? If Andy Burnham succeeds Keir Starmer, he will become Britain's seventh prime minister in the 10 years since Brexit.

40:39I mean, this is supposed to be a stable Western democracy and it's become totally chaotic. I think the problem is there are 400 Labour MPs, who think that they may not be able to win their seats again if Keir Starmer remains prime minister. The public have decided there's something about Keir Starmer they don't like. A lot of people will think that's irrational, but he's not a good communicator. He isn't really able to explain why the government's doing what it's doing and he doesn't project hope and optimism to a population which desperately craves that. And that was George Parker, political editor of the Financial Times here in London, reflecting on some of those political pressures hitting the British Prime Minister Keir Starmer this week.

41:35Our top story this hour. Israel has carried out further strikes on southern Lebanon, saying it's responding to attacks from Hezbollah, a day after a new ceasefire was announced. Earlier in this programme, Anshul Pfeffer, Israel correspondent at The Economist, told us that President Trump's insistence that the wars with Iran and Hezbollah must end has put the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, in a difficult position. The two things that Netanyahu has been presenting to the Israeli public for so long is that he is the one who can guarantee Israeli security from Iran. That doesn't seem to have been dealt with.

42:13And he is the one who has a unique, intimate relationship with Donald Trump and the experience to work with him like no other. And that doesn't seem to be the case right now either. One other headline, much of Europe is facing extreme high temperatures this weekend with more records expected to be broken.

42:35This is Rebecca Kesby with NewsHour live from the BBC World Service. Finally, returning briefly to our top story, we were hearing earlier about those exchanges of fire between Israeli forces and Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. That's in spite of a ceasefire announced only yesterday. We're joined live now by our chief international correspondent, Lise Doucette. Lise, thanks for coming on. I know you've been busy travelling this week. I think you've been in Switzerland where the diplomats have been gathering. What can you tell us about the mood there? Yes, I did head to Switzerland, to the beautiful Lake Lucerne, where we had been expecting the US Vice President J.D.

43:19Vance to arrive and for Mohammed Baggar Ghalibov on the Iranian side to arrive. There would be a formal ceremony and they would begin on the second day of a 60 day window for negotiations. they'd start those talks. But the main actors didn't show up. And as I've been trying to find out this morning, I'm back in London now because I think there is going to be, there is a delay and it might be even longer. I'll use an expression that I once heard in Pakistan. Nothing is happening, but a lot is going on. Pakistan's Prime Minister, first foreign minister, has gone to Iran to see senior Iranian officials.

43:57I spoke to an Arab diplomat who said that Qatari diplomats are very much involved. They were involved in brokering a ceasefire in name, very fragile, between Israel and Hezbollah. And the word from Tehran is that they're not going anywhere until all of the points on the Memorandum of Understanding, particularly that there should be peace on the Lebanon front as well, until those are adhered to. So it's a lot of talking, but no real movement. Yeah, you mentioned the red line of a ceasefire in Lebanon, and we're hearing that that's, well, it doesn't seem to be holding at all at the moment. I mean, how far does that complicate things going ahead in terms of the actual deal between the US and Iran?

44:45It complements them tremendously. From the very beginning of this process, Iran has made it clear that the issue of Lebanon is not just a bargaining chip. It's not an issue that it can negotiate away. Point one of that 14-point memorandum of understanding calls for a complete and total end to all military operations, including in Lebanon. And it was surprising that it had been so blunt in the language and that it had been point number one. It also talks about the territorial integrity of Lebanon, which of course is code for saying Israeli forces have to leave. Well, Israel is not going to pull out its forces from southern Lebanon.

45:28And we are hearing, and as you've already reported on this program, there are still attacks going in both directions. The Israelis say Hezbollah has been firing dozens of missiles and drones at Israeli forces in southern Lebanon. Israel has carried out more airstrikes. Prime Minister Netanyahu of Israel, despite the relationship with President Trump, which is under strain, but he still wants to keep, is under huge domestic pressure not to be seen to be kowtowing to the Americans when the majority of Israelis think they feel threatened by Hezbollah in Lebanon. So briefly, Lise, I mean, do we think this deal is going to hold?

46:09Will it even last a week at this stage? I think it is there's delays but I don't think it's in danger yet Iran wants the deal to succeed it wants to keep the Strait of Hormuz open President Trump certainly wants it to succeed he wants to keep the Strait of Hormuz open but I think we're just going to have to get a new way of defining in the same way that a ceasefire is just becoming lesser fire the memorandum of understanding will continue to be the memorandum of misunderstanding all right good to speak to you thank you so much for that That's our chief international correspondent, Lise Doucette, joining us with all the analysis live there.

46:45That's it for this edition. Thanks for listening.

From the publisher

Could the latest violent attacks by both parties derail the tentative US-Iran peace deal? We hear from reporters on the ground in bomb-struck southern Lebanon and the Iranian capital Tehran, and ask Israeli journalist Anshel Pfeffer what Israel's strategy might be.

Also in the programme: proposed economic reforms in Cuba - which the United States has dismissed as 'superficial smoke signals'. And the enduring appeal of the classic album 'The Queen is Dead' by the UK indie band The Smiths, 40 years after its release.

(Civilians and Lebanese Red Cross personnel stand on the rubble of a damaged building after an Israeli strike on the village of Qennarit in southern Lebanon, June 20, 2026. Picture taken with a mobile phone. Credit: Reuters/Stringer)

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