In short
This episode is a BBC NewsHour live roundup mixing a rare astronomy event with international news. It opens with the total solar eclipse visible across parts of Western Europe: reporters and listeners describe the “alien” glowing corona, the diamond-ring effect, temperature drop, and emotional reactions. Georgina Rannard (science reporter) watched in Burgos, Spain; Annie Javanroudi (UK resident on holiday near Valencia) watched on a packed beach with her family; Solvi Gümansson (Visit Westfjords manager in Iceland) watched in northwest Iceland where clouds hid totality but darkness and bird silence were still felt.
Key claims
total eclipses are rare in Europe (first in 27 years; next in Egypt), and myths historically explained them (China dragon, African sun-moon conflict, Vikings wolves).
Notable examples
locals singing “Hallelujah,” people crying, and eclipse-chasers traveling.
Guests
Georgina Rannard, Annie Javanroudi, Solvi Gümansson, plus interviews with Christopher Miller (Financial Times), Sheila Flynn (BBC), James Menendez/Jessica Parker (BBC), John Donison (BBC), Caleb Moghez (BBC), Fernando Montano (Children Change Colombia patron), and Eamon Ford (music journalist).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOEclipse Excitement in London
0:45 to 1:49
Hosts discuss the anticipation of a total solar eclipse in London.
“On the programme today, we're going to be hearing from the West Bank, from Ukraine and from Tennessee.”
Experiencing the Eclipse
1:49 to 2:59
Host shares their excitement and unique method to view the eclipse.
“But we're here, we're going to watch it and enjoy it with everybody.”
Georgina's Experience in Spain
2:59 to 4:24
Reporter shares her first experience of witnessing a total eclipse in Spain.
“This is my first total solar eclipse and Burgos in northern Spain is one of the best places to watch it.”
Emotional Impact of Totality
4:24 to 4:47
Georgina describes the emotional reaction during totality.
“beams coming out of it i can see the sun's corona its outer edge really glowing and on the far left people are singing behind me.”
Understanding Solar Eclipses
4:47 to 6:37
Discussion on the rarity of solar eclipses and human history's perspective.
“People always have said, I mean I always thought a partial eclipse, a total eclipse, how different can they be?”
Annie's Eclipse Experience in Valencia
6:37 to 7:41
Annie describes her family's experience witnessing the eclipse on holiday.
“but at least we understand what's happening now.”
Solvi's Perspective from Iceland
7:41 to 8:41
Solvi shares his experience of the eclipse in Iceland despite clouds.
“That's the BBC's science reporter Georgina Ranard there in northern Spain.”
Surreal Moments During Totality
8:41 to 8:59
Solvi shares how the ambiance changed during the eclipse.
Eclipse Myths and Historical Views
8:59 to 13:25
Discussion on historical beliefs about eclipses and modern understanding.
“And is it true that you arranged a holiday with the family at the last minute just to see this eclipse?”
News Updates and Transition
13:25 to 14:00
Transition to news updates including Israeli settlers and WHO statements.
“which you can access wherever you are in the world.”
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Tensions in the West Bank
14:00 to 14:37
Learn about the ongoing tensions and recent events involving Israeli settlers.
“But by the time we got there, the settlers were back.”
Ukraine's Drone Campaign on Oil Targets
14:37 to 15:35
Discover how U.S. concerns influence Ukraine's military operations.
“It seems Washington is worried that the attacks are adversely affecting the global oil markets and specifically US companies which use the Caspian Pipeline Consortium or CPC terminal at the Novorossiysk port.”
U.S. Requests to Ukraine: A Complicated Relationship
15:35 to 17:25
Explore the complexities of U.S. requests for Ukraine to halt specific attacks.
“And this phone call took place just three days after Zelensky had visited the White House, where he met Donald Trump in the Oval Office.”
J.D. Vance's Influence on Ukraine Policy
17:25 to 18:18
Learn about J.D. Vance's controversial stance on the Ukraine conflict.
“Just a quick one on the personalities involved and J.D.”
Russia's Threats Against European Shipping
18:18 to 19:20
Understand the implications of Russia's threats to seize European ships.
“Christopher, one last question to put to you today.”
Trump's Support Base and Economic Concerns
19:20 to 23:30
Examine how Trump's supporters in Tennessee feel about rising gas prices and the war in Ukraine.
“Christopher Miller from the Financial Times.”
Allegations of U.S. Election Interference in Brazil
23:30 to 24:12
Investigate claims of U.S. meddling in Brazil's elections and its historical context.
“has long been suspected of trying to sway elections in other countries.”
Germany's New Spy Powers Amidst Hybrid Threats
24:12 to 27:07
Learn about the new powers granted to German intelligence agencies in response to hybrid threats.
“The German cabinet has approved sweeping new powers for the country's domestic and foreign spy agencies.”
Palestinian Families Facing Settler Aggression
27:07 to 28:00
Hear about the severe conditions faced by Palestinian families due to settler actions.
“whilst other Western allies have been more carnivorous.”
Yusuf and Kusey's Situation
28:00 to 29:24
Learn about the dire circumstances faced by Yusuf and his neighbor Kusey due to settler actions.
“Yesterday, we heard from one of those trapped, Yusuf Hassan.”
IDF Response to Settler Activity
29:24 to 30:58
Discover the Israeli Defense Forces' actions and the ongoing challenges in Kusra.
“So far, without success, the head of its Central Command, Major General Avi Bluth and other senior officers arrived in Kusra earlier today.”
Legal and Political Implications of Settler Presence
30:58 to 34:36
Explore the legal status of settlers and the political discourse surrounding them in Israel.
“they've not managed to do anything about it.”
Conservation Efforts in Amboseli
34:36 to 36:20
Learn about conservation initiatives addressing human-wildlife conflict in Amboseli National Park.
“Not everyone in Israel, as you say, agrees with the settlers.”
Challenges Facing Amboseli Wildlife
36:20 to 40:34
Understand the ongoing struggles and strategies for wildlife conservation in Amboseli.
“that have helped farmers, pastoralists and wildlife share the Ambuseli landscape.”
Impact of Earthquake in Colombia
40:34 to 42:08
Hear about the aftermath of the earthquake on communities in Colombia, focusing on personal accounts.
“Caleb Moges there, reporting from southern Kenya.”
Challenges in Buenaventura's Rescue Efforts
42:08 to 43:51
Learn about the difficulties faced in rescuing people in Buenaventura due to remote access.
“So they haven't been able to receive much of their support because the Palafitos, many places in the Chocó and Buenaventura, the houses are of wood on the sea level, kind of.”
Spotify's New AI Music Policy
43:57 to 46:44
Discover Spotify's initiatives to label and regulate AI-generated music.
“Finally today, music streaming giant Spotify has announced it's going to start labelling all music generated using AI.”
The Economics of AI-Generated Music
46:46 to 48:34
Understand the financial implications and the challenges of identifying AI-generated tracks.
“And I guess it can be quite lucrative, can't it?”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. The U.S. has long been suspected of trying to sway elections in other countries. But is something more brazen going on these days? I'm Asma Khalid, and I'm one of the hosts of the Global Story podcast from the BBC. Brazil has accused the U.S. of meddling in its upcoming vote. The U.S. has dismissed the allegation. But how do these claims fit into the long legacy of American electoral interventions? Check out The Global Story on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.
0:40Hello and welcome to NewsHour live from the BBC World Service in London. I'm Rebecca Kesby. On the programme today, we're going to be hearing from the West Bank, from Ukraine and from Tennessee. But first, shortly before we came on air, NewsHour took a field trip. Like millions of people across Western Europe this evening, we're hoping to witness a rare total eclipse of the sun. We've come to the tallest building we can find, the Nest Bar in the Treehouse Hotel, which is conveniently right next door to the BBC. We're on the 16th floor on a balcony overlooking the city. We haven't actually got the right glasses to view the eclipse safely, so we've fashioned a pinhole camera out of the contents of the recycling bin, but it seems to be working very nicely.
1:28There's a great deal of excitement here, lots of people enjoying a drink and of course that celebratory feeling is totally different from how our ancestors would have felt to be viewing a total eclipse. They saw it with a great deal of suspicion, even fear, a sense of dread, bad omens were looming and I guess that's understandable because it is getting rather eerie, a kind of a gloom which is a bit odd actually, a little bit creepy. But we're here, we're going to watch it and enjoy it with everybody. Here, enjoy to have a look through these glasses. The special glasses, is that alright? Yeah, please.
2:06Oh, thank you so much. Oh, okay, that's very kind of you. You can have a look through my pinhole camera if you like. Oh, wow, oh, that's brilliant. Oh, that makes all the difference. That is utterly beautiful. Okay, so through these glasses, the sun is like a lovely orangey crescent. and you can see the moon coming over the front of it. That is really, really special. It's very nearly over entirely, and it's getting dark, and I think it's getting a bit cooler as well, which is actually quite welcome because it's so hot today. But I think we'd better get back to the studio, shouldn't we? Do the rest of the programme.
2:46And luckily, we made it back in time. We'll be hearing from other eclipse watchers in a moment. First, though, let's catch up with our science reporter, Georgina Rannard, who watched the event in Burgos, northern Spain, one of those areas which got a total eclipse of the sun. This is my first total solar eclipse and Burgos in northern Spain is one of the best places to watch it. The path of totality sweeps right over this region and crucially it's cloud-free. We're gathered on a hilltop in the middle of nowhere really, the dried yellow plains below me and mountains and towering wind turbines in the distance, but nothing to block our view and I've just heard some gasps and oohs so I think first contact is beginning I'm about to put my glasses on so I'll see the first bite taken out of the sun as the moon passes between earth and the sun casting a shadow on our planet here we go I'm putting them on going to look up oh wow you can actually see really see it's obviously my glasses are completely dark on the on the perimeter and then I can see this tiny tiny disc and the first tiny bite is edging into it and we've just got another hour of this to wait until we get that final moment of totality one minute 40 seconds of a total solar eclipse and i cannot wait you'll feel the temperature dropping totality is almost here they always say you get goosebumps but i really did i really feel
4:14is it safe can we take them off now yes i think so oh wow so around the sun i can see this glowing disc bright white behind it with beams coming out of it i can see the sun's corona its outer edge really glowing and on the far left people are singing behind me. Georgina Ranard there in Burgos, northern Spain and we got through to her after the event and I asked her, was it all worth it? I mean, absolutely. People always have said, I mean I always thought a partial eclipse, a total eclipse, how different can they be? I have to tell you Rebecca, I know you didn't see the full one but it is totally different.
4:59I was like looking up and it was almost the sun looked like an alien entity in the sky. obviously at totality you can take off your solar glasses it's safe to do that and it was this huge glowing orb really and around the edges you could see flares coming out and then on the on the very edge this bailey's bead this kind of diamond ring effect and around me people started crying singing someone was singing hallelujah and you know you feel all these goosebumps and i have to say i didn't quite expect it to be so emotional but it really was goodness well i think you should talk Talk us through the astronomy a little bit, Georgina.
5:35Why is this happening and how rare are total solar eclipses? So it's really rare for us. We've seen it in Europe. It's the first in 27 years. There is another one next year in Egypt. Those sounds are just some of the locals walking past me. A lot of locals gathered on the hilltop here to watch this as well because it is a really rare moment for us. They do happen often, but you have to be in the right place on the planet to see it. it has to be daylight and that path of totality has to sweep across your region. And of course, it happens when the moon gets between the sun and the earth and casts that shadow right across.
6:14There are, of course, solar eclipse chasers who make their way around the globe trying to find the next one. But for us who often stay at home, it is really unusual to see one. And I think in Europe, that's why we've had this amazing enthusiasm and build-up to it and people running out of solar glasses. Yeah. And as you say, I mean, it has been quite emotional for many people, but at least we understand what's happening now. In the past, people didn't really know, did they? And that gave way to lots of myth and folklore. Apparently in China, they thought it was some sort of dragon trying to swallow or eat the sun.
6:49In African tradition, some thought the sun and the moon were fighting. I mean, there's a long history of human explanation for these things. absolutely and I have to say today the thing that I really loved was that feeling of connection to millennia of people before us who have done exactly the same thing as we did they will have looked up in the sky and seen this glowing disc and this thing you know we the sun gives us life we're quite we're a bit complacent about it and suddenly to see this change we know what it is now so it's not scary and it's something to look forward to but you're completely right thousands or even hundreds of years ago, it would have been really scary.
7:28And you see in all sorts of history books, people talking about the mythology of it. And it used to be an omen for a bad harvest or something bad to come. So I think we're lucky now that we understand it and it's something to look forward to. That's the BBC's science reporter Georgina Ranard there in northern Spain. Well, Annie Javanrudi is normally a resident in the UK, but she's currently on holiday near Valencia in Spain. She's been watching the eclipse with her family and she recorded the moment for us. We're about a minute from totality. It's absolutely unbelievable. About ten minutes ago, you could feel the pressure.
8:06It's like being just before a thunderstorm. And there is the tiniest slither now. I'm sat on the beach, absolutely packed. There's just everybody. And I don't know if you can hear, but there's cheering and there's all sorts going on. And it's just about to disappear now. i mean we've got everything from tiny children to grandmas and everything in between and it is going and it is going and it's gone we are in darkness can't believe this oh my goodness i've taken my glasses off and it is absolutely unbelievable i've never seen anything like it my children are screaming take a picture take a picture of my father and oh wow oh wow this I honestly it's like night time it is absolutely unbelievable and I'm looking around the beach and everybody's just there's people in the sea and you think how amazing would that be and wow there are no other words than that it is just amazing and we're looking at my backs to the sea and there's like the hills and that's where the sun is, well the sun isn't yeah it is quite amazing and fantastic and I'm just looking, everybody's just like gazing and cheering and I think there's some parties going on but it's absolutely amazing Annie Javanroudi and thank you to her for sending us that we managed to catch up with Annie a little bit later on and she told me more about what it was like it was absolutely unbelievable I couldn't have been listening about it all this week and everything, but I didn't think it would be so just out of this world.
9:58Nothing could prepare you for it. And is it true that you arranged a holiday with the family at the last minute just to see this eclipse? Yes. We knew we were going on holiday, but I basically had some dates and that was it. and then last week I was listening to something on the radio and I thought, oh, we could go watch the eclipse. So we did. And what did the children make of it, your teenagers? I said, do you fancy this? And like they do, so I went, hmm, suppose so. And I said, but this will be the last one I see in my lifetime. I said, and the next time we have a full eclipse in the UK, I said, you'll be in your 70s.
10:37I said, possibly with grandchildren of your own. So don't you think this would be quite cool? At which point they all went, oh yeah, that sounds really good. And apparently it was. Ani Javanrudi there in Valencia, Spain. Next we're going to Iceland because Solvi Gümansson is the manager of Visit Westfjords in Iceland. He's been working with the government to prepare for this event and gave us more details of what it was like there. I live in a small fishing village in the northwesternmost part of Iceland and there's a lot of gatherings around me. One just above the town in Bólafjall. I didn't join that one because I did decide I wanted to do this with my family and my friends, all alone right below a burklift, just above town.
11:24And how much of it did you see there in Iceland? So it started out really good. Of course, it gets pretty cloudy in Iceland. And by the looks of it, it was looking really great for the first half an hour. We saw the partial eclipse, but at the exact moment of totality, it got cloudy. So I didn't see the sun, but I experienced everything around me though. It still goes dark though, doesn't it? Even if there is a cloud. It was surreal. It was like the shortest night of my life. The colors around me changed. And the reason why we hiked up to the bird cliff is to listen to the birds that got completely quiet.
12:17Everything got quiet. Everything got dark. My younger son shouted, but we haven't had dinner yet. but then one and a half minute later everything got bright again you started hearing the birds singing well shouting in at the bird cliff and and and it was a surreal moment definitely one of the most strangest night of my life at least it's very weird isn't it as you say the birds go quiet the animals know that there's something going on and i mentioned um how people in the old days used to think of it in China and Africa. But in Norse kind of times, the Vikings thought giant wolves apparently were chasing the sun and the moon across the sky.
13:08I don't know whether you saw any of that in Iceland. I didn't see that and we didn't have Ragnarök. But you know, there's another eclipse in Iceland in 160 years maybe will happen then. Solvi Guzman there speaking to us from North West Iceland. And if you missed it, there are loads of pictures, really good ones, on the BBC website, which you can access wherever you are in the world.
13:37Coming up in about 20 minutes, Israeli settlers are continuing to trap two Palestinian families in their homes in the occupied West Bank after clashing earlier with Israeli security forces. We'll hear from our correspondent in Israel who spent the day in the area. First thing this morning, the Israeli military went in and they did make an effort to disperse the settlers. They dismantled one of their tents. But by the time we got there, the settlers were back. This has been going on for four days now. And despite the Israeli army being present, They've not managed to do anything about it. And we've just had a statement from the Israeli military actually saying that they're going to send reinforcements in.
14:20One other headline this hour, the head of the World Health Organization says the Ebola outbreak in the Democratic Republic of Congo could become the worst in history.
14:36This is Rebecca Kesby with NewsHour live from the BBC. Next to Kyiv, where reports have emerged that Ukraine is stopping their intense campaign of drone strikes on oil tankers in the strategically important port of Novorossiysk after receiving a phone call at the end of July from US President, Vice President I should say, J.D. Vance. It seems Washington is worried that the attacks are adversely affecting the global oil markets and specifically US companies which use the Caspian Pipeline Consortium or CPC terminal at the Novorossiysk port. Christopher Miller broke this story for the Financial Times.
15:16He's their Ukraine correspondent and gave us the details from Kiev. So I spoke with several senior Ukrainian officials and my FT colleagues spoke with US officials who all told us that on a phone call on July 31st, J.D. Vance requested to Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, that the president ask his Ukrainian drone forces to stop striking the Caspian Pipeline Consortium terminal in the Russian port of Novorossysk, a terminal that carries crude pipes from Kazakhstan to the Black Sea ports there. And this phone call took place just three days after Zelensky had visited the White House, where he met Donald Trump in the Oval Office.
16:00And they spoke about ways to try to bring the war to an end. And Zelensky asked for greater support in terms of American military assistance. So, I mean, how has this gone down with the Ukrainians? I mean, do they feel rather hemmed in by this request from the Americans? They do, but it's not the first time that the Americans have made this request. They actually requested first back earlier this year. They told the then Ukrainian ambassador to Washington, Olga Steffanichina, that they wanted the Ukrainians to stop striking the CPC terminal in Novorossiysk. And she received a formal warning from the U.S.
16:42State Department, which she passed on to Kiev. And so it's sort of been a point of contention for many months, but it's really come to a head, you know, several months after the U.S.'s war with Iran, you know, as it drags on because the Strait of Hormuz that's closed and it's had a big impact, right, on oil prices around the world. Well, now you've got this other pipeline that's being attacked as part of the Russian-Ukrainian war. And so the Americans are interested in seeing the price of oil drop and to see more oil on the global market. And so they've been asking the Ukrainians now for a while to stop it.
17:19And there's one other reason why they've done so more insistently recently, and that is because the American companies Chevron and ExxonMobil also have stakes in this pipeline here. Just a quick one on the personalities involved and J.D. Vance in particular making this call. I mean, he's made no secret of his sort of disinterest really on what happens with the war in Ukraine. He actually once is quoted as saying, I don't really care what happens to Ukraine one way or another. I mean, how is he viewed in Ukraine? Yeah, you're right. You know, he's certainly one of the more influential people when it comes to Ukraine policy in the White House.
17:58He's also one of the most contentious. The Ukrainians are not big fans of his. Obviously, they respect him, considering his position. But he and Bologna Zelensky had words with each other. They spoke at each other and raised voices. And along with Trump, Vance accused Zelensky of trying to spark World War III in that first rather disastrous Oval Office meeting back in February of 2025. Christopher, one last question to put to you today. There's been another headline coming from Russia today. President Putin threatening to seize European ships in retaliation for EU plans to intercept vessels part of Russia's so-called shadow fleet.
18:40He said Moscow would be forced to respond in kind. What kind of capacity would Russia have to do that whilst fighting the war with Ukraine? And is this something that's going to worry European capitals? I think it's going to worry European capitals. I think it's also going to cause more concern and worry in the global shipping sector as well. In regards to whether Russia can do this and sort of live up to the threats, I think that is a big question. Certainly, they've got many of their resources tied up in the war. They do have some capacity to do so, but I think this is largely Vladimir Putin sort of puffing up his chest and saying that there's going to be a response.
19:20Christopher Miller from the Financial Times. Meanwhile, Donald Trump has seen a sharp decline in public enthusiasm for his presidency, with recent polling placing his approval at an historic low of just 32%. Nowhere in the US has escaped the impact of rising gas prices and wider inflation in the economy, with some polls even showing self-identified MAGA voters have begun to suffer so-called Iran war fatigue. The BBC's Sheila Flynn spent last week speaking to Trump supporters in Tennessee. It's a Thursday morning in early August. here in Kingsport, Tennessee, where we're surrounded by the Appalachian Mountains.
20:00The mist has just burned off as the sun has come out. Residents are walking their dogs, and some are gathering for coffee and bagels on the main streets of Kingsport, which has a historical southern downtown, full of old-school furniture shops and clothing stores, as well as newer boutique operations. Then again, there's also a shop selling guns and ammo at the end of the street. Support for President Trump's Make America Great Again platform is overwhelming in this mountain town, which voted for Trump by comfortable margins in all three of his elections. No one I speak to here is happy about inflation, but few lay the blame at the president's feet.
20:40I think they're doing a great job. I mean, with, you know, what he can control. Parked on his Harley Davidson outside a local cafe, I meet 53-year-old Daniel Overstreet. Whether it was the Iran war or anything else, we're not going to control those gas prices. And people can complain and fuss and everything else they want to about it. It's not going to change that. It's still going to be what it's going to be. Also stopping for his breakfast is David Carter, a bearded veteran who plays Santa Claus at Christmastime. He backs the president's involvement in the Middle East. You've seen it in history, the reason we go over there and we keep everything under control there, is we don't have it on our front doorstep.
21:23Veterans account for around 10 % of the region's population. The town is also home to the Holston Army Ammunition Plant, which churns out explosives used in Patriot missiles and other heavy weaponry for U.S. military stockpiles. David says that while he and many others in the town still back the president's goals overall, the war has certainly caused some frustration amongst the supporters. Trump said America first. and he's not put America first. He's put the war overseas first. Not all conservatives here caveated their support. Oh, Pinky, I want to bring you home with me. Outside one of Kingsport's discount stores, I meet veteran James Camper, who served eight years in the Navy, and his dog, Pinky.
22:09I think attacks need to be up a little bit more than what's being done. Honestly, I think we should turn them into a parking lot and don't worry about it anymore. In addition to the munitions plant, the city is home to a number of major factories. Employers Trump came to office promising to defend. 65-year-old Pam Robinson spent 20 years working at the local chemical plant. While she also fears the prospect of a nuclear Iran, she does think patience for the war, even here in Kingsport, has its limits. If people aren't getting killed, I think people will tolerate it a little bit longer. but they're going to say soon you need to wrap this up.
22:47Something needs to be done. It needs to be, something needs to be decided. Despite a few misgivings, none of the Trump voters I spoke to brought up the war unprompted. This is deep Bible Belt America, a moniker that many here embrace proudly. Christianity is often the primary driver of their voting intention. Dave and Pam again. This country strayed away from God compared to what it used to be. The first question I ask, do you believe in abortion? And usually if I get that answer, I know pretty well where I need to go on the rest of it. Even if his national support is slipping, there's little to indicate that the Republican core conservative base here looks likely to break faith with President Trump.
23:29That's the BBC's Sheila Flynn reporting from Tennessee.
23:39The U.S. has long been suspected of trying to sway elections in other countries. But is something more brazen going on these days? I'm Asma Khalid, and I'm one of the hosts of the Global Story podcast from the BBC. Brazil has accused the U.S. of meddling in its upcoming vote. The U.S. has dismissed the allegation. But how do these claims fit into the long legacy of American electoral interventions? Check out The Global Story on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.
24:11Welcome back to NewsHour. The German cabinet has approved sweeping new powers for the country's domestic and foreign spy agencies. It's been warning for some time now that the country is facing a range of hybrid attacks, including in Leipzig just last week with Russia the prime suspect. So what sort of new powers will the agencies have? James Menendez has been speaking to our Berlin correspondent Jessica Parker. They could be able to manipulate, disrupt, hack the IT infrastructure of a foreign power if Germany was undergoing a cyber or disinformation attack. They could agents potentially be able to break into a residence and replace explosives with something that's harmless as part of counterintelligence operations.
25:00And in the sort of data retention sphere where Germany has had very strict privacy rules, they'll loosen those rules. So there'll be longer data retention periods, greater powers in terms of surveillance as well via telecommunications. And some people listening might be thinking, weren't they able under certain rules and thresholds to do this anyway? Well, not really. In Germany, there have been very strict guardrails and constraints on the intelligence services as a legacy of what Germans experienced at the hands of Nazi spies and as well the Stasi in East Germany. So this is about loosening restrictions that really are very historically embedded in Germany here.
25:44And of course, the plans certainly have their critics of people who think that there's overreach going on. Is this a response to the threat from Russia or is there more to it too? I think it's absolutely a response to the threat from Russia. You mentioned Leipzig last week and this bomb laden drone. Germany has been very careful not to point a finger at anybody publicly. But U.S. media have been reporting that American officials have seen links to Russia. Moscow's denied any involvement. I think you could absolutely see this where it's beginning to be seen as part of that Zeitung vendor that was announced in the wake of Russia's full scale invasion of Ukraine, where Germany basically acknowledged that for a long time it had underinvested in its military and that it needed to be more robust in terms of security and intelligence.
26:29and its intelligence agencies are absolutely now becoming part of that Zeitung Wende. So I think that's absolutely important context here. And Germany's government says that Germany is the target of daily hybrid warfare attacks, whether that might be disinformation, whether that might be cyber attacks, whether that might even be sabotage as well. So it's saying it has to get more robust in the face of hostile actors, but it will apply in the domestic sphere as well. There are some various divisions of powers that are a bit complicated to go into between the domestic and the foreign intelligence services.
27:04But I think that absolutely is the overall context. And this sense, traditionally, Germany's intelligence services have been described as somewhat vegetarian, whilst other Western allies have been more carnivorous. And they're trying to bring them a bit more up to the standard of other Western agencies, although they are being clear that they won't be sanctioning the use of example for lethal force. That's our Berlin correspondent Jess Parker there speaking to James Menendez earlier on today.
27:40You're listening to NewsHour live from the BBC. I'm Rebecca Kesby. More now from the occupied West Bank, where for the fourth day running, two Palestinian homes close to the village of Kusra, south of Nablus, have been surrounded by illegal Israeli settlers. The families say the settlers have cut off their water and electricity and are blocking their exit from the property. Yesterday, we heard from one of those trapped, Yusuf Hassan. He told us they were short of food and his younger daughter needed medical attention. We've since heard that an ambulance has evacuated her and brought some food for the rest of the family as well.
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28:20And today we've had this from Yusuf's neighbour, Kusey Abu Rida. He recorded a video on his rooftop with some men appearing to be Israeli settlers in the background.
28:35I am Kusey Abu Rida from the village of Kasra, south of Nablus. Four days ago, settlers came to the house and blocked us from leaving. They stopped anyone from coming to the house. We have been deprived of all necessities. They cut off the electricity and water and supply of health care. There is a family living in a nearby house. They have two children, age four and two. They have also been cut off from the outside world. We are unable to leave the house and our situation is tragic. The soldiers arrived at the house, but they did nothing. We appeal to the humanitarian organisations to help us and protect us and provide food and medicine to the families who are besieged by the settlers.
29:23Well, we have continued to request an interview with the Israeli Defence Forces. So far, without success, the head of its Central Command, Major General Avi Bluth and other senior officers arrived in Kusra earlier today. they are said to have met residents and voiced, quote, their grave concern about the situation. At one point today, IDF soldiers did seem to take down one of the settlers' tents, but the settlers remain in place. Well, our correspondent John Donison has been close to the scene all day and gave us this update from Jerusalem. Well, we've been in Kusra for most of the day. We've just got back.
30:01But first thing this morning, the Israeli military went in and they did make an effort to disperse the settlers. They dismantled one of their tents. But by the time we got there, the settlers were back. Now, the Israeli army had set up checkpoints on the roads leading up to these four houses, which have been under siege now for four days. And we got to one of those roadblocks. And the Israeli army, although friendly, they were saying, look, it just isn't safe to go ahead. And as we were there, the settlers started advancing down the road towards us in a pickup truck. and the army just told us it was time for us to get out of there.
30:38We did speak to some of the families over the phone this morning and they said that they're running out of food, they're running out of water. There were a couple of children. They managed to get out in an ambulance yesterday with their mother. But, you know, this has been going on for four days now and despite the Israeli army being present, they've not managed to do anything about it. And we've just had a statement from the Israeli military actually saying that they're going to send reinforcements in. Whether that will mean they're going to do another operation to try and move these settlers or not, I don't know.
31:13Yes, I mean, you mentioned the electricity there, John. We heard from Yusuf Hassan, who's one of those in that compound yesterday. He said the settlers had cut off his water and electricity. Wouldn't that be illegal? And has there been any attempt by the Israeli authorities to even just reconnect him with those utilities? We're not sure about that. We did hear that the power might have gone back on today, as well as the water. But you're right, it's illegal. I mean, the very presence of these settlers is illegal under international law. And indeed, in these outposts, as they're called, which are really the initial stages of a settlement, it's where settlers go and they erect sort of caravans, porter cabins, tents, and then in many cases they develop into a full-grown settlement, a town, a city.
32:03Those outposts are illegal under Israeli law too. So Palestinians and human rights groups say, first of all, the Israeli military allows them to operate with impunity, and that they do that with the backing of the Israeli government. and they argue that prosecutions for settler violence like this are incredibly rare. And as I say, they say they're allowed to operate with impunity and even with the backing of some right-wing Israeli ministers. And John, you mentioned there that we have at least had a statement from the IDF today. We've been trying to get an interview with them as well. I know a senior commander turned up today and said that he had grave concern over the situation.
32:48But we were reading a report from journalists at Haaretz newspaper who were at the scene today. This is Matan Golan. She says she and her colleague were spat at by settlers when they went near the compound. She even says they were pinched and kicked by settlers. Have you heard this story? I've not heard that specific story, but it doesn't surprise me. I know some of our colleagues from the American media were attacked by settlers and had their car smashed up the tyres slash when they were trying to film a story earlier this summer. So there is an extremely hostile reaction towards especially the foreign media, but also the more liberal elements of the Israeli press, of which Haaretz is one.
33:35So, no, that doesn't surprise me at all. I think one of the interesting things is that, you know, a lot of these settlers are connected to and have served in the Israeli military and some are still actively serving as reservists. So there is a question about how motivated, I guess, the actual soldiers are on the ground to try and stop this happening, given that at the weekend we saw pictures of the first Israeli soldiers who arrived on the scene who were actually praying alongside the settlers outside these four Palestinian homes. So, you know, let's wait and see what happens in the coming days.
34:13As you say, strong criticism from the upper echelons of the Israeli military. but we're not talking about a lot of settlers. We're talking maybe a couple of dozen. It would not be that difficult to arrest them, lock them up and stop this. Briefly, John, a quick word on the political situation because obviously we are expecting an election this year, aren't we? Not everyone in Israel, as you say, agrees with the settlers. Has this been a big discussion point in the country and is it going to kind of make itself present in the campaigning ahead of the election? Well, I think it absolutely will be present in the campaigning, and it is a divisive issue in Israel.
34:56You know, there are many people on the more liberal sections of Israeli society who would say that it is extremely damaging for Israel's reputation abroad, and they oppose what, not necessarily the whole settler movement, but they oppose what these extremist settlers are doing. At the same time, though, there are large sections of Israeli society who are represented within the Israeli cabinet. And I'm thinking of Itamar Ben-Gavir, the national security minister, and the finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, who not only do they not condemn this activity, they actively encourage it, and some would say incite it.
35:36So it is going to be an issue in the election, and that is coming up at the end of October. That's John Donison in Jerusalem there.
35:47Now you may remember we recently reported on the death of 15 elephants in southern Kenya. Preliminary government reports suggest the deaths may have been caused by pesticides sprayed on tomato farms surrounding Amboseli National Park. Conservationists have questioned that claim though and farmers have also expressed scepticism. The incident, though, has raised concerns about the safety of wildlife alongside local communities. And our reporter Caleb Moghez has been looking at some of the conservation efforts that have helped farmers, pastoralists and wildlife share the Ambuseli landscape. Every day, Elisha walks around the traditional cattle enclosure, ensuring safety for his cattle.
36:33A thick ring of sharp acacia thorn bushes surround the herd, a traditional barrier built to protect livestock from predators. This is where the cows sleep at night. Those lights help scare wildlife, he tells me. Known locally as Boma, the enclosure represents his family's livelihood. But not long ago, he lost two cows after a pyroflience attacked his herd while it was out grazing. My cattle were out grazing in the field with a herder. A pride of four lions attacked by scattering them and killing two of my cows. Stories like Elisha's are common across Kenya's Amgoseli ecosystem, where people and wildlife have shared the same landscape for generations.
37:20Here, cattle often graze within the sight of wild animals, but this coexistence has often come at a cost. Livestock are killed, crops destroyed, and for decades many communities responded by hunting the animals responsible. Today, however, a different approach is taking root. Rather than retaliating, Elisha reported the attack. Under a community conservation program, he is now set to receive compensation for the livestock he lost. We have an agreement to protect wildlife and they compensate us for any damage. Although the compensation is not equal to the market value of the cattle, it is still a compensation.
38:04This is the Amboseli National Park in southern Kenya, near the border to Tanzania. It's one of the most famous parks in Kenya. It's known for a large herd of elephants and also lions, giraffes and buffaloes. It's surrounded by communities of farmers and pastoralists. This is why conservation groups are working hard to create an environment where human beings and wildlife can coexist, sharing resources. There is a massive 100-kilometre-long electric fence acting as a barrier enclosing parts of the Amboseli Conservation Area. This helps prevent human-wildlife conflicts away from farms without blocking the wildlife corridors they rely on during seasonal migrations.
38:51Panina Ole Mutua, who owns a tomato farm, says the fence is keeping his produce safe. When they touch the live wires, the fence releases a sharp but short electric shock. It's not lethal, just enough to deter them from entering the farms. We've not had cases of injuries or days along the fence. This changing infrastructure has been matched by changing attitudes. Pastoralist Njoroke Sitonic says retaliatory killings that were once considered normal have become increasingly rare. If the lion eats, they come and take pictures, they see the cow, and you make agreement of the payment, they go and you are paying.
39:42Community conservation programs supported by Big Life Foundation combine compensation schemes, ranger patrols, mapping technology and drones to respond quickly to incidents. This has significantly reduced conflicts and poaching. Craig Miller is the Chief Operating Officer at Big Life Foundation. We see our job really as managing the human-wildlife interface, ensuring that it is not as costly as it can be to the humans, but wildlife continue to thrive. For the communities living alongside wildlife, coexistence remains a daily balancing act. The recent deaths of 15 elephants in Amboseli served as a reminder that protecting one of Africa's most important wildlife landscapes remains a work in progress.
40:34Caleb Moges there, reporting from southern Kenya.
40:41This is Rebecca Kesby with NewsHour live from the BBC. Let's head to Colombia now, where many people in areas hit by Monday's earthquake have spent a second night outdoors or in shelters. The government estimates that more than 1 ,000 homes have been destroyed, with a further 8 ,000 damaged. At least 240 people are known to have died, although there are still many missing, mostly in the cities of Cali and Pereira in western Colombia. The dancer Fernando Montano is a former soloist for the Royal Ballet here in London. He's from Buenaventura on Colombia's Pacific coast, which is close to the epicentre of the quake.
41:23Fernando's also the patron of the charity Children Change Colombia. My colleague James Menendez asked him if his family was safe. Yes, I just spoke with Papa a few hours ago and he just confirmed because we were still looking for some relatives. But now, yeah, they all, even 111 years old and that I haven't even met, she's OK, so I'm thrilled about that. Are Rathers still accounted for amongst your wider family and friends? Well, now I think Papa said that our family, they are all totally safe, although he was mentioned that Buenaventura, the major road, has been blocked. So they haven't been able to receive much of their support because the Palafitos, many places in the Chocó and Buenaventura, the houses are of wood on the sea level, kind of.
42:22and all these have been collapsed. And so I've been hearing as well from family, they were saying that maybe they need like the rescue so they can try to find people that maybe are under the houses. And if access is difficult, if that road is blocked, it's going to be difficult for rescuers to get there. I mean, this is quite a remote area in some ways, isn't it? Yes. And I think that's the major difficulty for some regions, because within the city, I think the government have done an incredible job, and I think they're still trying. But there are so many other rural areas that it's so hard to get there.
43:03You can only arrive there by boat or by helicopter or plane in the roads. The little ones that are, are completely blocked. Tell us about Buenaventura and the surrounding area. I mean, it's a very poor part of Colombia, isn't it? Yes, it is quite overlooked over, you know, the years, but also it's one of the major ports of the country. So I believe from what I see from the outside, this is one of the things that they really have to take care of quite soon because otherwise the rest of the country will also be affected because a lot of the goods that come in and go out of the country, they go through the port.
43:44And that's kind of like the connection to many other regions around the Choco area and the Pacific. That's Colombian dancer Fernando Montano there speaking to us earlier. Finally today, music streaming giant Spotify has announced it's going to start labelling all music generated using AI. It also says it's going to exclude music made with AI from its algorithm recommendations as part of a crackdown on fake performers and an effort to protect real human musicians. I've been speaking to music journalist Eamon Ford. So how is this going to work? It's a combination of things. It says that it can identify artists which are entirely AI.
44:29So this is what they're doing is specifically around artists that are AI generated that have multiple tracks associated with them, which is something that people have used to give the music a kind of tang of authenticity or a kind of whiff of authenticity to try and kind of put a human face to it per se. But Spotify says that it can identify this. It's also asking that people who create AI artists fass up. So they're honest about it to begin with, basically. Yes. And then they've also outsourced a little bit of the work to the audience. So if you as a listener go, this seems really suspect, this artist, because I can't find anything about them on the Internet, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
45:18They can then also report them to Spotify. So there's like a kind of trifecta going on there. And I mean, it does seem as if the numbers are already pretty staggering in terms of how much AI music is available on Spotify. I mean, I noticed that last year alone, Spotify removed 75 million spam tracks, it's calling them, which I guess is AI generated. That's a lot of tracks. It's a phenomenal amount. I think the only way to describe this is like an avalanche of garbage, just how much stuff, because it's so cheap and so quick to make music, quote-unquote music. There was a stat recently from another streaming service, Deezer.
46:05They said that there are 90 ,000 purely generative AI tracks uploaded onto it every day, which is over 50 % of the music being uploaded to it every day. So it's almost like this kind of AI arms race. There's so much stuff that's so easy to pump out. And some of it is people just messing around and seeing what they can do with the technology. And some of it is more nefarious actors who are trying to kind of game the system to generate royalties from music that they produced for almost zero pence, take royalties out of the overall royalty pool. And I guess it can be quite lucrative, can't it? I mean, you say it's garbage, but is it always easy to tell AI from a human artist?
46:54Because, I mean, there are a few that actually were trending before anyone realised they were AI generated. Yeah, absolutely. I think if people are using it for nefarious reasons, if they've got kind of bots or click forms pushing the streams, there are very sophisticated detection tools in all of these streaming services where they can see really irregular activity. So if like an artist or a track goes from zero to like a couple of million streams in a day, there has to be a reason for that. And it could be it was used in a big film or something like that, or is on a TikTok trend. But if the artist and song has no track record before that, it looks really suspicious.
47:37But what a lot of these nefarious actors are trying to do is kind of fly under the radar. Just do like maybe a few thousand here and there and then wait a while so it kind of grows and it looks like it's organic growth. Briefly, how much cash could you make by doing that? You know, getting not maybe a hit, but just sort of generating a few thousand clicks every time. For a few thousand streams, you're really talking it's a matter of pains. You need to be in the millions of streams to see anything kind of substantial. so it's very very hard to kind of game the system that way but it doesn't matter but maybe because the cost of entry is basically zero for these people they can generate tracks for no money and they can just go like well if you've got thousands of tracks and they're all generating a couple of pounds each in aggregate that will add up music journalist Eamon Ford bringing us to an end to this edition of NewsHour thanks for joining us
48:43The U.S. has long been suspected of trying to sway elections in other countries. But is something more brazen going on these days? I'm Asma Khalid, and I'm one of the hosts of the Global Story podcast from the BBC. Brazil has accused the U.S. of meddling in its upcoming vote. The U.S. has dismissed the allegation. But how do these claims fit into the long legacy of American electoral interventions? Check out The Global Story on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Also in the programme: Israeli settlers are continuing to trap two Palestinian families in their homes in the occupied West Bank, after clashing earlier with the Israeli security forces; what was behind the mass poisoning of 14 elephants in Kenya -- a terrible accident or deliberate harm?; and Spotify says it's cracking down on AI generated music to protect HUMAN artists.
(Photo: Partial solar eclipse in Britain, London, United Kingdom - 12 Aug 2026. Credit: EPA)
