The United States celebrates 250 years

4 Jul 2026 · 47 min · 22 chapters

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In short

The episode centers on the US marking its 250th anniversary of independence, mixing live coverage of July 4 events with debate over politics and America’s global influence. In Washington, DC and Philadelphia, heat around 40°C and humidity led to delays and cancellations of parades; F-15/F-16 flypasts still occurred. Trump’s speeches are portrayed as divisive, including warnings about a “communist menace,” and Congressman Jim Himes argues the US founding depends on free speech and democratic debate rather than labeling opponents. Notable examples include Statue of Liberty immigration imagery, J.D. Vance’s remarks about liberty and “thousands of boys” in Washington’s army, and Mount Rushmore rhetoric.

Guests

Congressman Jim Himes (Connecticut; US House Democrat) and Mazia Bahari (Canadian-Iranian journalist; tortured in Iran’s Evin prison). Also featured: BBC correspondents Peter Bowes, John Donelson, Nawal al-Margrafi, Nida Tolfik, and medical doctor Peter Stafford (with wife Rebecca Stafford) discussing Ebola treatment and trials.

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Chapters

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Celebration Context

0:32 to 0:54

Overview of the celebrations and challenges faced on the anniversary.

“Welcome to NewsHour from the BBC World Service.”

Independence Day Events

0:54 to 2:35

Details about the military flyover and speeches during the celebrations.

“Not quite the official party the Trump administration had been hoping for.”

Trump's Speech and Political Context

2:35 to 4:21

Discussion of Trump's speech emphasizing American values and addressing threats.

“For a quarter of a millennium, liberty, justice, equality, self-government and unmatched prosperity have flourished here as they have never flourished anywhere before.”

Live Report from the National Mall

4:21 to 6:41

Correspondent Peter Bowes reports on the heat and the crowd at the event.

“And sweltering in the heat is our correspondent, Peter Bowes.”

Public Sentiment on Independence Day

6:41 to 9:25

Citizens share their thoughts and experiences during the celebrations.

“Well, official events in Washington may have been affected by the oppressive weather, but there are celebrations across the entire Union, all 50 states.”

Political Division and Congressional Views

9:25 to 13:32

Congressman Jim Himes discusses political divides and collective feelings of patriotism.

“I think, to be fair, we may have provoked you, but we'll leave that for historians to argue.”

U.S. Celebrates 250 Years of Independence

14:00 to 14:36

Learn about the U.S. 250th anniversary and events linked to it.

“Our headlines, the United States is celebrating 250th anniversary of declaring independence from Britain.”

World Cup Highlights: Morocco and Cape Verde

14:36 to 15:19

Discussion on the recent World Cup matches and notable performances.

“We'll talk about that result in a moment, but many this weekend are looking back and marvelling at the result of one of Friday's games.”

Cape Verde's Journey in World Cup

15:19 to 17:55

Exploration of Cape Verde's unexpected success in football.

“Unfortunately, this is the end of the road for the Blue Sharks of Cape Verde.”

Earthquake Aftermath in Venezuela

17:55 to 19:18

Insights into the ongoing crisis and community efforts in Venezuela.

“Celestine, one quick last question in the last 30 seconds or so.”
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Humanitarian Efforts in Venezuela

19:18 to 22:40

Discussion on the medical response and community support after the earthquakes.

“It's setting up an emergency field hospital to help treat some of the injured in La Guara, a coastal region which was hit hardest.”

Global Story Podcast on U.S. Influence

22:40 to 23:17

Overview of the Global Story podcast discussing U.S. impact on the world.

“I'm Asma Khaled, host of the Global Story podcast from the BBC.”

Fishing Challenges in Gaza

23:17 to 26:48

Exploring the dangers faced by Palestinian fishermen amidst ongoing conflict.

“For generations, fishing has been a way of life for Palestinians in the tiny coastal strip that is Gaza.”

Public Mourning in Iran

26:48 to 28:00

A look at the public reaction and emotions surrounding the Ayatollah's death.

“You're listening to the BBC World Service.”

Iran's Public Mourning and Political Landscape

28:00 to 29:59

Explore the emotions and political dynamics surrounding Iran's public mourning and regime stability.

“It's not as busy as I thought it would be.”

A Journalist's Insight on Khamenei's Regime

30:00 to 33:19

Mazia Bahari shares his experiences and insights into the Iranian regime and its leadership.

“within the next few months or few years.”

Taylor Swift's Lavish Wedding Celebration

33:20 to 36:29

An inside look at the grand wedding of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey, featuring celebrity guests and fan excitement.

“who hasn't been heard from except through written statements issued by the Iranian authorities said to be written by him, hasn't been seen.”

Security and Planning for Major Events

36:30 to 38:31

Discussing the unprecedented security measures for Taylor Swift's wedding amidst other major events in New York.

“So we've got like Reputation, Torture Poets Department.”

An Ebola Survivor's Experience

38:32 to 42:04

Peter Stafford recounts his battle with Ebola and the impact on his family during the outbreak.

“It's no surprise, perhaps, that the occasion also drew out Joanne Bergoli, an event designer with the company Elegant Occasions, to take a peek.”

Living with Ebola: A Family's Experience

42:04 to 44:11

Learn about the emotional impact of Ebola on a family dealing with isolation and fear.

“At the point that Peter was diagnosed, the hospital and the country were very unprepared to treat an epidemic like Ebola.”

Clinical Trials and Hope for Treatment

44:11 to 46:11

Explore the significance of new clinical trials for Ebola treatments and their potential impact.

“The people in our village have become like family to us.”

The Burden of Care in Congo

46:11 to 47:22

Discuss the challenges faced by healthcare workers in providing care during an epidemic.

“you say, look, I've been treated and I've recovered, that will give some people, some of your patients, some of your friends, a bit more confidence.”
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0:00This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. The United States is about to mark its 250th anniversary. And so on the Global Story podcast from the BBC, we're telling surprising tales of American influence on the world stage and in ordinary people's lives all across the globe. We have this ability to export our story and a lot of people have bought it. I feel like the American dream is alive but not well. From the BBC, it's the United States at 2.50. Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.

0:41Hello to you. Welcome to NewsHour from the BBC World Service. We're coming live from London. I'm Sean Lay. And we begin with the events in the United States, this day of celebrations. Not quite the official party the Trump administration had been hoping for. Officials have delayed opening the gates for the public to be on the National Mall at the heart of Washington, D.C. until later on Saturday because of the high temperatures. The brutal heat and associated humidity have forced the cancellation of Independence Day parades in both Washington and Philadelphia, where the Declaration of Independence was signed 250 years ago today.

1:20F-15 and F-16 fighter planes, though, don't melt in the summer heat and carried out their flypast in the skies over Washington to schedule.

1:34Another military vehicle was in the vanguard of New York celebrations with Vice President J.D. Vance aboard an amphibious assault vessel in the harbour which greeted millions of immigrants in the 19th and 20th century. What the poet Emma Lazarus in words inscribed on the Statue of Liberty as you're tired, you're poor, you're huddled masses yearning to breathe three, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. A fitting description of the Europeans escaping persecution or simply seeking a new life in the new world. J.D. Vance was speaking at a flotilla of 60 tall ships and naval vessels. When we won our independence, we were led by General Washington to liberty and greatness, But marching ahead of him were thousands of boys from all over the new nation who gave Washington's military genius, its foundation and its firepower.

2:26And all of us will need to do our part to create the next 250 years of American greatness. Well, his boss Donald Trump's Fourth of July performance will come later on Saturday, followed by a climactic fireworks display. He set the scene for the weekend in South Dakota on Friday night, where he spoke in the shadow of Mount Rushmore, below the granny's impressions of four of his most consequential predecessors, Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt. If monuments could speak. For a quarter of a millennium, liberty, justice, equality, self-government and unmatched prosperity have flourished here as they have never flourished anywhere before.

3:11there is nothing like what we are doing.

3:18The birth and survival of the American nation under God is quite simply the best and most incredible thing ever to happen on this planet by human hands ever. That is ever, ever, ever. Well, President Trump then got political, warning about forces endangering the Union by bringing from abroad ideas alien to the nation's founding. Yet as we approach this magnificent anniversary, we see our American identity under a renewed attack, a generation after we fought and won the Cold War against the menace of communism. there is now a resurgence of the communist menace in our land, including from newcomers to our country who embrace ideas totally opposed to our way of life and our great success.

4:06These are not mere political disagreements like differences over taxes or regulations. Communism is a mortal threat to American liberty. President Trump speaking last night. Well, let's go live now to the National Mall in Washington, D.C. And sweltering in the heat is our correspondent, Peter Bowes. And I can see Peter wisely with a baseball cap on your head. Just how hot is it and what impact is it having on the planned events today? It is extremely hot, probably the hottest condition I've ever experienced. It's hovering around 40 Celsius. And there's a possibility, actually, of a thunderstorm in the next few hours, which would be not necessarily good news for the crowd, but good news in terms of the temperature.

4:54So the weather is fluctuating, but it's swelteringly hot. It doesn't seem to have put off anyone coming down here. There's a long, long line of people, essentially between Capitol Hill and the White House here, getting to the venue where they suit to America. Celebration is due to start in a couple of hours' time, and people are just queuing right along Constitution Avenue in very good spirits. No one that I've spoken to is really particularly upset by the weather. They're all looking forward to this momentous 250th celebration of the country. And pressed on the politics of the situation, people were quite dismissive, saying that they're not really thinking about the politics today.

5:31They just want to celebrate this country's independence. The president will speak later. What sort of message are people expecting from him? Well, I think it's a wait and see. With Donald Trump, you can never quite predict what sort of tone he is going to adopt, but I think most people are expecting him to talk about the significance of today, 250 years since the signing of the Declaration of Independence. That was in 1776 in Philadelphia. What it means to perhaps him as a president and indeed the country as it finds itself now. But as you've just been reporting, the president has been striking, some would say quite a divisive tone in the last 24 hours in one of his previous speeches, one he made last night.

6:17So I think it remains to be seen in terms of what direction he goes here but I've also got to say that I think the vast majority of people here are mostly looking forward to what follows the President and that is we're told to expect a spectacular fireworks display. The organisers say that the biggest fireworks display ever, at least in this city. Peter Bowes thank you very much and apologies there for the technical quality of the line. Well, official events in Washington may have been affected by the oppressive weather, but there are celebrations across the entire Union, all 50 states. Here are some people enjoying the day in what's known as the Garden State, New Jersey, and in Philadelphia, where the Declaration of Independence was first promulgated.

6:59With America's 250th birthday, I wanted to come to where it all started, so here I am, I'm just living the dream today. I had actually more ridiculous outfits than even this, but I decided to go with this one today.

7:15It's really, really fun because we get to make memories and share the moment. Her first 4th July, what a special time to have it, so we're just enjoying the heat. We are here in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, where in 1776 our independence became a reality. What do you bring over to your children these days? You know, I want to impress upon them that, you know, we have a lot of freedoms here in America, and those are important. Well, the people may be united, their leaders are not. Bipartisanship working across the Ireland Congress is now something of a dirty word in Washington. Democrats, the opposition party in the US right now, say the present president has done the opposite of uniting the nation for this celebration.

8:03Joining me now to explain, Congressman Jim Himes, who represents a district in Connecticut, which of course was one of the 13 colonies, original colonies, which went on to form the United States of America. Congressman Himes, happy 4th of July to you, and thank you for breaking away from your celebrations. What is it about the way these events have been organised that makes you feel that the president is squeezing out the opposition? Well, to be clear, and because Congress is out of session, we're all out in our constituencies. And I, in fact, spent the first half of the day today at a variety of parades and readings of the Declaration of Independence.

8:39By the way, we're sorry about that. But it's been – but there's just a stunning contrast between the – even in these intense polarized times between the remarkable feelings of pride and unity and patriotism that I certainly experienced throughout my constituency. and the language that the president uses. Yeah, you know, we know Donald Trump well enough to know that there is precisely zero chance that he will do anything other than revert to his always game plan, which is to try to create fear of communists and to say divisive things. Well, you know, it's just unfortunate in the context of what I suspect that all 535 members of the Congress are experiencing right now, which is a huge sigh of relief that we get to celebrate this national holiday and maybe set politics aside for a moment.

9:23So speaking as a Brit, thank you for your apology. I think, to be fair, we may have provoked you, but we'll leave that for historians to argue. You had it coming. Quartering troops in our home. Shame on you. Yes. Let's not fight our battles on this day of commemoration and celebration. Even the king sent a message talking about U.S. and British shared values. More seriously, though, we heard in the president's speech in South Dakota at Mount Rushmore on Friday. I mean, this remark about communism rearing its head, I mean, pretty directly aimed at the Democrats, wasn't it? And to be fair, some Democrats are themselves worried about a shift to the left towards those who style themselves progressives.

10:35Yeah, yeah. The core idea of the United States is that people from all over the globe and ideas from all over the globe, good and bad, good and bad, come together here and are considered in a democratic context. And one hopes that the bad ones are rejected. Communism and fascism come to mind and that we craft through our democratic process the right answer. But that right answer relies on all sorts of ideas. And that, of course, and the president has no understanding of this, is why in our very First Amendment, in our Bill of Rights to the Constitution, we guarantee the right of free speech, of the press and of association, because our core notion is that lots of ideas come together here.

11:14And in a democratic process, we carve them into an optimal set of ideas for the country. Are you hoping the ideas of democratic socialism will be defeated too? I mean, they've done quite well in the party thus far, winning the Colorado primary, ousting a 15-term House veteran there, similarly two long-serving members of the New York congressional delegation last week. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, you know, so now we'll have a, you know, a democratic political conversation, which is entirely appropriate. There are obviously people who support because they, in fact, did get elected in primary elections.

11:46Those those those philosophies. I mean, if you're interested in my own view, I actually think that's largely a reaction to the economic pain that many people in America feel. So when you have a democratic socialist candidate saying, I'm going to figure out a way to make our buses free and to control the rent, as Zoran Mamdani, now the mayor of New York, did say, that obviously has a lot of appeal. And frankly, I understand that. Now, when you get to the fringes, and I might offer up some of the anti-Semitism that we're seeing from the extreme left, something, of course, that through Jeremy Corbyn, the United Kingdom is not unfamiliar with.

12:16That I think is – He's always denied being an anti-Semite, but I understand the point you're making. I mean, again, another argument to be had there. But my point is that there is a line and there's both a line in terms of, you know, is your language bigoted? That's not acceptable. Is your language uncivil? There we can have a debate. But my point is that you can't simply label democratic socialist communists and dismiss them as unworthy of being part of the conversation in our democracy. Do you share the view of some that the revolution is unfinished business in the United States, that it's still striving for that more perfect union?

12:52Oh, without question. And you ran the key line there, a more perfect union. The founders, Jefferson, Madison, they could have written a perfect union, but they understood. They had a suspicion for at least two reasons. Number one, they created a democracy, which in 1787, when the Constitution was signed, really only allowed white men of property to vote. And I suspect that they, in their heart of hearts, knew that that was not ideal. And of course, the country at the time had slavery. So, you know, and most importantly, of course, when they crafted that Constitution, they said, and we hope you will amend it.

13:26That's probably the best evidence we had that they understood that it would be evolved over time. We will have to leave it there. Thank you very much. You're listening to NewsHour from the BBC World Service. Coming up, a US doctor and his wife, also a doctor, tell us how he contracted Ebola in the Democratic Republic of Congo and how they initially treated him at home. The safest thing for Peter and the safest thing for other patients and hospital staff was for Peter to stay at home. So we chose for him to isolate in our bedroom, which had an attached bathroom. So that became kind of our Ebola isolation centre.

14:03Our headlines, the United States is celebrating 250th anniversary of declaring independence from Britain. Some events have been cancelled due to a heat wave. And Russia has promised to respond to the latest Ukrainian attacks which caused fires at an important oil terminal in St. Petersburg. Morocco have become the first team to make it through to the World Cup quarterfinals.

14:31This is Sean Lay, live in London, with NewsHour from the BBC World Service. Let's stay with the World Cup, and Morocco has defeated Canada 3-0. We'll talk about that result in a moment, but many this weekend are looking back and marvelling at the result of one of Friday's games. Cape Verde weren't, in the end, giant killers, but they came within 10 minutes of forcing Argentina, the current title holders, into penalties. In the end, it finished 3-2, a more than respectable position from which to bow out. The relative success of Cape Verde, an archipelago in the Atlantic Ocean located off the coast of West Africa, isn't without precedent.

15:06A decade ago, it was Africa's leading football nation. The BBC's Paul Engier watched the match in Cape Verde where fans have been celebrating the taking part. It's often said that every good story must come to an end. Unfortunately, this is the end of the road for the Blue Sharks of Cape Verde. They fought hard against the current world champions, Argentina. They played really, really well, as many people here have said. There is bewilderment. There is shock. Most people would have seen them going far, but the Blue Sharks were unable to go ahead. Argentina came here as the favourite. They might have won, but to these people, Cape Verde has won the hearts of many around the world.

15:47Paul Njia. Well, let's go live now to New Jersey. and Celestine Karané, reporter with BBC Africa Sport. Celestine, thanks so much for being with us. Why was Cape Verde's progress in the tournament such a shock, do you think? I think it was really a shock because people felt like, Sean, that they came out of nowhere. But I think, for me, what I've been trying to tell people as an African journalist is that the correct way to put it is they came outside the attention of mainstream football audiences because you're looking at a country whose main players come out of lower leagues in probably Portugal, France, Belgium, Netherlands.

16:29So these are players that people really maybe don't identify with or watch day in and day out as well. For example, if you think about Roberto Lopez, he is from Shamrock Rovers. He's a captain. He was born in Ireland, captain of Shamrock Rovers. you know. How have they managed to bond as a single unit given that they've come from all over the globe? Well so what they do Sean is they don't when the team when the players rather come into the team the coach Bobista said that he wants his players to identify with the people and so because a lot of players don't speak the local language Creole most of them will probably speak the French or Portuguese so in training and during when you're in team camp you speak Creole so even Lopez, who comes from Ireland, said he had to learn the local language.

17:17And then before they played their final qualifier at home in Praia, in the capital, they went to the local market, to the city market, to meet people, to greet them, because they don't live in the country. They went to some of the islands, about five islands. The country is made up of about 10 individual islands. And so they make an effort to connect with people. When they came to the U.S., They had a friendly in Boston. Boston has the largest diaspora of Cape Verdeans outside the country. So they take time to know who are these, who are our people and, you know, to connect with them. And I think that has really helped them to bond as a unit, Sean.

17:56Celestine, one quick last question in the last 30 seconds or so. Canada out, the first of the host nations to be exiting from the World Cup. Yes, look, it was always going to be an uphill task. they were facing a Morocco side that, look, we are looking at a semi-finalist from 2022 and they've looked really good Morocco. They have, you know, they look like they could go into the final, if I can say so myself as an African journalist. Celestine Carine, I think you can because you speak with authority. Egypt and Morocco still in the World Cup.

18:34Now, 10 days after the twin earthquakes in Venezuela and tens of thousands of people are still missing, their families waiting in desperation and fear. The last person found alive was rescued two days ago. This man had been to a makeshift morgue to try and find a missing relative. My name is Luis Velasquez and my aunt is Elba Marquez, looking for the body for my aunt. And nobody can recognise it, but I saw the bags and it's not her. I'm still waiting for her body to show. I saw a lot of dead, a lot of corpses. It's horrible. The death toll stands at almost 3 ,000, with more than 12 ,000 people injured.

19:12A team from UK Med, a medical charity based in the English city of Manchester, has been in Venezuela for over a week now. It's setting up an emergency field hospital to help treat some of the injured in La Guara, a coastal region which was hit hardest. Dr. Ram Vardy, health director at UK Med, has been telling me what they've been seeing. Just to say that there's been quite a large amount of destruction. Numerous buildings have been destroyed, healthcare facilities as well, community centres. I've worked in several earthquake zones around the world, including in Turkey and in Myanmar last year, and this is some of the strongest devastation that I've seen.

19:47Unfortunately, at the time that it occurred on June 24th in the evening, it was a national holiday, and many people were in their homes, also watching a FIFA World Cup football match. So we've seen heavy amounts of destruction, many people sleeping outside in tents due to the instability of the buildings and feeling unsafe in their buildings. So one of the reasons we are planning to respond immediately and set up a field hospital in La Guaira itself. What sort of injuries are you expecting to have to treat? We've seen lots of injuries, many life-changing procedures that have had to have been done.

20:17Many people will have lost their medications in the crisis. They will have ongoing requirements for rehabilitation from the injuries sustained during the earthquake, and that's something that we're also looking to support with here. But equally, healthcare centres are gone, and healthcare workers have gone or even had to leave the area. So the impacts will be felt not only immediately, but for some time, and why we are planning to immediately support. You've been there eight days. Are you still getting tremors and aftershocks in the region? Absolutely. Just before we started this recording, there was a small tremor here.

20:47So we've been feeling tremors for quite some days. Many people scurry from the buildings, and we've had to do the same last few days as well. It must put people on edge. Absolutely. Even for people that have worked in these environments, it's always different. It's very hard to adjust to something so rapidly and with such a dynamic situation, particularly when it's linked to an earthquake and we have no control of when the tremors will appear. Have you seen any examples that have struck you of sort of voluntary efforts of people trying to help one another? I've been amazed on a daily basis by the amount of community efforts that have been here.

21:18A lot of the communities have set up kitchens and water distribution points for the responders that are all coming through community donations. There are people going around to provide support and translation services to all of us that are coming that perhaps don't speak Spanish. So there's been a huge amount of community effort from across the country. Donations that have come in, clothing, food, water, books for children. It's been an enormous national effort. I'm going to ask this question because I think in a sense it's something we don't talk about, but we probably should. how do you and those not just those who are working to help people but those who are living they've survived how do you cope with the smell it's not easy i'll say it's definitely not easy for the people who have had to live here and had their lives changed by this event and it's not easy for the people that have come out newly and had to respond but at the end of the day i think like many of the circumstances here we are here to provide support to people that have drastically been affected by as a severe life-changing event and we prepare ourselves to deal with that and we are able to respond and deal with things like the smell and the lack of water and supplies, et cetera, that we're bringing in and national authorities have been helping with.

22:27But we find all methods to be able to provide care. That is Dr. Ram Vardy, Health Director at UK Med in La Guarquia, Venezuela.

22:43How has America shaped the world? I'm Asma Khaled, host of the Global Story podcast from the BBC. As the United States marks its 250-year anniversary, we've been exploring the surprising and often hidden ways the U.S. has shaped the modern world. And today on the show, we answer your questions about this moment and what to expect in the years to come. From the BBC, it's the United States at 2.50. Listen to the global story on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.

23:18Welcome back to NewsHour. For generations, fishing has been a way of life for Palestinians in the tiny coastal strip that is Gaza. Since the war broke out between Hamas and Israel in 2023, around 70 Palestinian fishermen have been killed by the military. Israel tightened its fishing restrictions on the occupied territory after the Hamas attack on Israel. Despite a ceasefire greed between the two sides, attacks on fishermen have continued. Israel does not allow international journalists to operate freely in Gaza. Our correspondent John Donner some reports from Jerusalem with the help of a local team in Gaza.

23:52Standing atop a small skiff, Youssef al-Najjar paddles to the shore, a web of nets at his feet. The best fisherman in Gaza, his friend cries out. At least he was. Youssef is now in hospital, deep scars over his body and heavily wrapped in bandages after he and his boat were shot up by the Israeli Navy.

24:24I tried to escape, but in vain, the 25-year-old tells us. But they kept firing. Shells were landing from above and from the side. Youssef knows he's lucky to be alive. The Fishermen's Union in Gaza says around 70 of its members have been killed at sea by Israel in the last three years. Gunfire off the coast earlier this year. Mobile phone video shows two fishermen on a tiny boat. An Israeli navy ship opens fire with shelling and then with machine guns.

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25:11In a tent for displaced people in southern Gaza, the Alkin family are mourning a father, husband and son. Fishing was our only source of income. It was a livelihood for us and for our children.

25:29And that's been the case for generations of Gazans in the tiny coastal strip. But these days, when food is short, the catch is small. Israel controls the seas and there are strict limits on where Gazans can fish. As he pulls his boat back up onto the beach, our team in Gaza meet Awad al-Sultan, who's been fishing through the night. He tells us he wants to be able to fish freely without fear of being shot or detained, before pulling from his pocket today's meagre catch, a couple of sprats and a few sardines.

26:15The Israeli military says it had to tighten fishing restrictions after the October 7th Hamas attacks, some of which were launched from the sea. The Fishermen's Union says around 130 of its members have been detained in the last three years. But despite the danger, still they head out to sea. John Donelson reporting.

26:48You're listening to the BBC World Service. This is NewsHour. I'm Sean Lay. There were public displays of emotion in Tehran early Saturday as thousands of people gathered to mourn Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the country's supreme leader at the time of his killing, in an airstrike during the Israeli-American war with Iran.

27:15There was chest-beating and chants of revenge, revenge, with red flags carried by many in the crown, a symbol of that emotion in Shiite Islam. Some also carry portraits of Mojtaba, his son, who succeeded him but who remains out of public sight. From Tehran, our senior international correspondent Nawal al-Margrafi reports on the ceremonies ahead of the Ayatollah's funeral. He was killed on the 28th of February, and usually in Islamic tradition, he should be buried right away. But they have been waiting for the perfect moment, for the ceasefire to hold for long enough to be able to hold an event like this one.

27:53We've been told that millions of Iranians from across the country have come for this event. But I've got to say, I'm quite surprised. It's not as busy as I thought it would be. This is a significant moment for the Islamic Republic. It is a carefully choreographed show of unity and it's also their way of telling the world that the regime is still firmly in power. Our senior international correspondent, Nawal al-Mukhafi, reporting from Tehran on condition that none of her material is used on the BBC's Persian service. That's a restriction imposed on all international media if they are to get permission to operate in Iran.

28:29So what emotions do these days of public mourning provoke in those who've been critical of Iran's system of government? Mazia Bahari is a Canadian-Iranian journalist. In 2009, whilst on assignment for Newsweek, he was arrested, held in the notorious Evin prison in Tehran and tortured. He was beaten and punched, he says, whilst his torturers praised the supreme leader. Years before, when Ali Khamenei was only president, Mazia Bahari had met him. So is there a sense that the Iranian regime is trying to cover up its insecurity, I asked him? No, the regime is very happy that it looks victorious. And it looks victorious because it was not defeated militarily by the United States and Israel.

29:15But this regime is in a worse situation now after the war in terms of dealing with the economy. So while they are emphasizing on their propaganda at the moment and they're trying to use this occasion to make a saint out of Ali Khamenei, the former supreme leader, his legacy is one of desperation and destruction in the country. and the new people at the helm of the regime, they have to do something about it. And it will be very difficult because for the past 47 years, Iran has been ruled by this very corrupt tyranny. And I don't think that they can solve the situation within the next few months or few years.

30:04And yet from your experience, aren't there also quite a lot of people who will work very hard to sustain the regime because they fear the consequences for themselves were it to collapse? The regime is very lucky that it has a very dysfunctional opposition, especially the opposition in the diaspora outside of the country. They are fighting with each other. The quote-unquote leader of the opposition, Prince Reza Bahlebi, who is the son of the former Shah of Iran, He has not been able to gather a group of people around himself for the past 10 years in order to create a political party. He has nostalgic value.

30:48Millions of people like him as a person, and they would like him to be the leader, but he just does not have the capacity. So the Iranian regime, while it's very corrupt and dictatorial and dysfunctional, It's also very lucky that it has one of the most dysfunctional opposition in anywhere in the world. You met Hamun Ayi before he became supreme leader, I think. But at the same time, you went on to suffer under his security apparatus when you were tortured after your arrest. I mean, is it possible to reconcile those two people? The man you've described, I think, is quite a self-deprecating, humorous character.

31:30and the regime he led. The Kamini that I met in 1985, I think, he was the president at the time and I was an assistant photographer and we went to take his official portrait. He was very different from after he became supreme leader in 1989, especially towards the last 10, 15 years of his reign when he had almost absolute power And he had these messianic ideas about his own mission and his own place in history. And he did not have that self-deprecating sense of humor that I talked about. But also, he kind of thought that he is the messiah for Iran and he can save the country. He did not listen to anyone.

32:22He made all the wrong decisions. And as a consequence of his decisions, we are suffering. And many people within the regime are suffering as well. I mean, when I talk to people after the January 2026 massacre, people in the government and in March, sorry, in early February, people just wanted to get rid of Khamenei one way or another because with him, Iran could not move. could not move for the better, could not move for the worse. And I know for a fact that many people within the Iranian government, they had a sigh of relief when he was killed by the Americans. You've talked about the opaqueness of the regime, and I suppose that is exemplified by the complete lack of clarity about Mojtabar Khamenei, the son of the former supreme leader, who we are told was himself seriously injured, who hasn't been heard from except through written statements issued by the Iranian authorities said to be written by him, hasn't been seen.

33:31Is that sustainable? It's not sustainable. This is a surreal situation. You know, if Salvador Dali wanted to make a film about a dictatorship, I don't think that they could come up with a scenario like this, that Iran is led by a person who has not talked publicly before becoming a leader and after becoming the leader. The only video that we have of Mushtaba Khamenei, it's a very low quality video of him talking about his seminary course and the fact that he's not going to teach a seminary course. That's all. We did not know Mushtaba before. There were some rumors about him. There were some rumors about him being the successor of his father, etc.

34:21And right now, even some people within the government don't know where is Moshdaba, what is the situation of his health, how is he going to lead the country, whether these messages, these written messages, are written by him or by someone else. That's the Canadian-Iranian journalist Masih Bahari.

34:50It's been likened to a royal wedding. The New York nuptials for the pop star Taylor Swift and AFL player Travis Kelsey were on that scale. The Empire State Building sparkled in blue. Adam Sandler, another celebrity, officiated. And the happy couple wed, clad in Dior. Our New York correspondent Nida Tolfik watched the crowds watching. Midtown Manhattan was buzzing with excitement for global pop princess Taylor Swift and NFL star Travis Kelsey's wedding. By late afternoon, the elaborate undertaking to get 1 ,000 guests into Madison Square Garden Arena had consumed several blocks and was well underway.

35:29Oh, God bless Taylor Swift. Crowds gathered behind a security barricade, a few climbing a scaffolding and straining their necks to see the spectacle, along with the world's media. Hugh, Hugh, Ethan. An impressive list of celebrities were spotted, including Ed Sheeran, Hugh Grant, Benson Boone, Gigi Hadid, and several Kansas City chief NFL players. The guest arrivals have taken well over an hour at this point. Black SUVs, black tinted windows going through checkpoints with people very smartly dressed in simple black gowns or tuxes checking their names against a guest list. And then they go into a covered white canopy tent.

36:10And in this pen that I'm in that has been barricaded specifically for fans coming down, well, we have met some of the most ultimate Swifties. Can I hear you say you have a tattoo? I do, right here. 47-year-old Janelle Snugas is visiting New York from Louisville, Kentucky. Describe this tattoo to me. So it has little elements of different albums of Taylor's. So we've got like Reputation, Torture Poets Department. We have TV for Taylor's version, of course. 13's her lucky number. This is a very intricate tattoo. Definitely a tribute to Taylor Swift. You say people have been following her because it's been about heartbreak, breakups.

36:46I mean, this is her happy ending, her love story, isn't it? It really is. Yes, it's her happy ending, and we've all been there through all of it. The historic heat wave didn't stop Laura Heap and her young daughter Catherine from Indianapolis being here. I've been a fan since I was like nine or eight maybe, and I went to her Aeros tour, and I've just been like a really big fan since then. I actually took her to reputation when she was four, but it was a fun thing for us to connect with. Because it's like, you know, we're obviously a wide span of age, but it's been fun for us to, like, connect over something that we both enjoy a lot.

37:20It's a huge moment in her life, so I thought, you know, why not swing by? Plastic surgeon Krishna Vyas lives nearby and couldn't help his curiosity. She's the most played artist in my operating room, so I guess I could be a Swiftie. I mean, why is she the most played artist? Does it help relax people or what? I think she has the most versatility. She's a very talented artist, of course. You know, basically when patients go to sleep, some of them ask for Taylor Swift. And then, of course, you know, there's the light, soft music. And then there's also something that really gets people energized as well.

37:52Former NYPD chief Kenneth Corey says the security setup for an event like this, combined with the World Cup and July 4th celebrations, is unprecedented. There's a lot going on in New York City this week. There's a lot of competing events. The demands on the NYPD in terms of staffing needed for planned events are probably unprecedented in the department's history. Between sale 250, you've got the 4th of July fireworks celebrations. There's a heat wave going on. People are going to be flocking to the beaches. That's going to require extra officers there. People are going to be going to the parks.

38:23That's going to require extra officers there. You know, the police commissioner, Jessica Tish, had told officers weeks ago that they would all be required to work 12-hour days. It's no surprise, perhaps, that the occasion also drew out Joanne Bergoli, an event designer with the company Elegant Occasions, to take a peek. So they're going to have to drape every single aspect of that arena, including bathrooms, hallways, you know, all of the places where you get food. They have to cover that all. To make it not look like an arena. Exactly. So I can't wait to see what, if they ever show it. I hope they do what they do to it and how it was transformed.

39:02I think she is, you know, we want to be on Juliet, right? So, love story. Love story, exactly. And this is why everyone's here. Well, it's a love story. She said yes, and here we are. That's exactly right. A happy ending for her.

39:21So now you know. Nada Torfik reporting from New York. More from NewsHour in just a minute.

39:46I'm Sean Lay. This is NewsHour coming to you live from the BBC studios in London. The number of confirmed Ebola cases in the Democratic Republic of Congo has increased to 1 ,502. Of those, 473 proved fatal, that's according to government figures. The outbreak of a new strain, Budabugio, has so far been confined to the eastern provinces of Ituri, North Kivu and South Kivu. That's some good news, as potentially has been the start of trials for a possible treatment. It's rare to hear the account of anyone who survived Ebola, but I've been talking to someone who has, American doctor Peter Stafford.

40:24He and his wife, Rebecca, also a doctor, were working at an evangelical hospital in Eastern DRC, affiliated with an organisation called the Christian Health Service Corps. Peter contracted Ebola in May and was subsequently evacuated to Germany for treatment. He recovered and is now back in the United States with his family. In their first interview with an international broadcaster, Peter told me about the first signs he was ill. My symptoms developed the first day after they had identified and announced that the epidemic was, in fact, from Ebola. And I called the medical director saying, maybe I'm just paranoid with the announcement yesterday, but I'm wondering if I'm getting sick.

41:05And so it just started somewhat vaguely with muscle aches and fatigue. But by the second day, I had a fever, increasing weakness, worsening body aches, a headache. The muscle aches, the myalgias were quite intense for the first kind of days two through four. Ultimately, that progressed to weakness where it was difficult to even walk on my own without support. And then I kind of progressed through what they call the wet symptoms. I had some vomiting and diarrhea, developed a rash and ultimately recovered from that. Rebecca, how quickly did you realize and how worried were you and your family about this?

41:43because the previous outbreak, which turned out to be different strains, Zaire, had a very high fatality rate. Yes. On Saturday, when his symptoms were quite vague, I think we were very hopeful that he did not have Ebola. But on Sunday, even before the test result came back, he was sick enough that we were quite sure that that is what he had. What did that mean in the house? because he was still at home. He wasn't in the hospital. At the point that Peter was diagnosed, the hospital and the country were very unprepared to treat an epidemic like Ebola. So the safest thing for Peter and the safest thing for other patients and hospital staff was for Peter to stay at home.

42:30So we chose for him to isolate in our bedroom, which had an attached bathroom. So that became kind of our Ebola isolation centre. The children were not allowed in his room. How old are your children? We have a seven-year-old, a six-year-old, a four-year-old and a one-year-old. It must have been very scary for them to see daddy and not be able to be close to him. I think especially for our oldest son, it was very hard. You know, we had walked our son through the development of the epidemic as much as we understood. so he understood earlier in the week that there was an unknown illness circulating that we didn't know what it was and then a few days later I explained to him that it was truly Ebola and how scary that illness was so it was pretty hard the next day to go and tell my son that his dad had that illness that we had been talking about.

43:29Peter it must have been tough for you to be isolated from the family when they're kind of so close but you can't reach out to them touch them hug them and reassure them. But I guess that's also the experience of a lot of Congolese families right now, isn't it? Yes, absolutely. I think that's one of the hardest parts of this illness is the isolation, separation from the ones that you love. And I think that that leads to some hesitancy for the Congolese to seek treatment. You want to be around your family. You want to be with those that you love. And also the family wants to take care of those that are sick.

44:02It's very natural. And so I think that's a very difficult thing and one of the reasons why that this epidemic is so hard to control. How anxious are you to get back to Congo, Rebecca? I'm very anxious to get back. Congo is our home. The people in our village have become like family to us. So I would say as soon as we can reasonably go back, we will. We do have to think of our children and their safety. For us to bring our children into an uncontrolled epidemic is too risky. And so we will see what that timeline looks like, whether that will be three, six or nine months. But we hope to be back as soon as possible.

44:48Peter, you're both doctors, so you will be aware of the importance of the trial that began this week. These are the antibodies that the Americans have donated in the hope that they could provide the basis for some kind of treatment for this new Bundabugio strain of Ebola. what do you think of the prospects and equally what are the prospects of persuading many Congolese people maybe people in your village in your community that they can trust the medics that they can trust people at what is a very very difficult time for many. Yeah I'm very excited about the clinical trials that are starting I'm very thankful I was able to receive both the monoclonal antibody MBP134 as well as the antiviral remdesivir while actually in flight from Uganda to Germany.

45:35And it's possible that it was the natural history of the disease. But to me, that was kind of the turning point that before I had received that, I had a lot of difficult and even dark moments. But after that, I kind of steadily improved. And so I've just shared that with everyone that I can, that I received it. I'm so, so excited that that is going to be possible now within the trials there in Congo. And so I've been able to share my story several times to try to encourage others with that and also to be open to taking and participating in those trials. And I guess, Rebecca, because you are both doctors at the local hospital, if you, although you will have treated people for other conditions, there is the hope that if you say, look, I've been treated and I've recovered, that will give some people, some of your patients, some of your friends, a bit more confidence.

46:22We hope so. And we have enough hope in the medication that actually we received the antibody as well so it was given to myself and our four children as post-exposure prophylaxis. Peter this may be an unfair question but I'm going to ask it anyway is there any kind of sense of guilt or unease for you that you could get this treatment that you could get kind of the best and that that isn't necessarily available for the people around you the people as you say who are part of your home community? Yeah that's that's one of the tensions of living there and it is difficult. I don't know that I necessarily feel guilt, but I feel some sadness that others haven't been able to receive the same level of care I have.

47:06And it's one of the reasons that we're in Congo is to try to improve the level and standard of care. And I'm just very, very thankful for these clinical trials that that will become more available. Doctors Peter and Rebecca Stafford, our thanks to them and to you for your company, This News App. We're here twice a day, every single day. So do please join us again. From me, Sean Lay in London. Goodbye.

47:48The United States is about to mark its 250th anniversary. And so on the Global Story podcast from the BBC, we're telling surprising tales of American influence on the world stage and in ordinary people's lives all across the globe. We have this ability to export our story and a lot of people have bought it. I feel like the American dream is alive, but not well. From the BBC, it's the United States at 250. Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.

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The United States celebrates its 250th anniversary, but is President Trump politicising the occasion? Also in the programme: Iran mourns late Ayatollah Khamenei ahead of his funeral; and Cape Verde, the small African island nation that made history in this World Cup.

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