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16:01Allan Little:You've been able to speak to some students who've been taking these things. What sort of impact has it had on their lives?

16:07Hasan Hasanovic:I think one of our main interviewees was a now 16-year-old girl. We're calling her Xiaomei and she was very happy to talk to us about her experiences because she wants others to learn from it. She said that she first took a kind of cough suppressant, very large doses of it, just to impress a boy who was like, oh, take this, you know, it'll make you feel better. And she said initially it made her feel dizzy, but after a while she started to realise it was helping her relax. It was a way of escaping the pressure of her everyday life. And she wasn't the only one to tell us that. Chat groups were full of this conversation about a way of escape, trying to not just escape the school system, but escape their parents and the pressure that they feel that they're under.

16:50Hasan Hasanovic:the effect that it has on their lives they say they're taking it after major exams to go home and relax but with chalmay eventually she needed more and more and more of them she started taking five she started taking ten she would try to mix the drug she would try another drug and one day she took 50 after the pressure got too much just months before her high school entrance exam she was rushed to hospital and eventually she had to tell her parents now her parents did not react in the way that she expected. And I think she says that has saved her life because now they can have an open conversation.

17:23Hasan Hasanovic:But when you speak to experts, one of the things they say that is unique to China is, first of all, the pressure that they're under. It's a very isolating life. When it comes to children here, many of them are an only child after decades of a family planning policy that allowed families in this country to only have the one child. That means the social, So the economic expectations of an entire family rest on the shoulders of a teenager. And they feel that they are told to study hard and much of their lives are spent in isolation. They go to school at seven, they come back, they go straight to after school activities and they're in their bedroom studying really until late.

18:00Hasan Hasanovic:So they spend a lot of time in isolation. And then there's one extra factor that's come into play. And that is the fact that their parents followed a Communist Party script. They worked very hard. They got a job. Now, if you work hard, that job is not guaranteed. Youth unemployment is at a record high. One in five young people in China, in this country, are now struggling to find a job. That means the competition and the pressure is even more fierce.

18:27Allan Little:Which is a potential problem, presumably, for the Chinese Communist Party, that people have high expectations. They may work hard at school, get good results, but their prospects may not be that great.

18:38Hasan Hasanovic:And I think it's one reason why the Communist Party over the last few years has been trying to address these problems for young people. First of all, they've been saying that they need to do more to ease exam anxiety, to ease the homework burden. They're also trying to put more councillors in schools. They have a target to have a councillor in every school by 2030. They're actually on course to meet that. But if you speak to specialists here, they'll tell you that when it comes to kind of a specialist child psychologist, there are very, very few of them in China. In fact, a study by the British journal The Lancet found there are only 500 child psychologists, trained child psychologists, and that was a study back in 2020 in this entire country.

19:24Hasan Hasanovic:So that shows you the ratio here.

19:27Allan Little:And that was our China correspondent, Laura Bicker. Now, a new study suggests that the current vaccine for shingles, called Shingrix, can significantly lower the risk of heart attack and stroke. Shingles is caused by a reactivation of the chickenpox virus, often in later life, and can cause long-lasting nerve pain. Well, the research is published in the journal Nature Medicine. Let's talk to Dr Maxime Take of Oxford University, who led the study and joins us on the line. Max, very good to have you with us. What did you find then? So what we found is that people who received the shingles vaccine called Shingrix

20:04Hasan Hasanovic:were at a lower risk of developing cardiovascular disease, so that's a thing with stroke and heart attacks in the seven years following the vaccine compared to people who had received the old vaccine against shingles called Zostovacs.

20:19Allan Little:Right. And why is that, do you think? Is it the vaccine itself or is it the fact that not getting shingles means that you might have a lower risk of heart disease and stroke? Well, I think the jury is still out about what the mechanism might be.

20:32Hasan Hasanovic:But the two possibilities is that it might be about one chemical that's part of the vaccine called an adjuvant that stimulates the immune system. Another possibility is that by preventing shingles, we're essentially preventing heart problems because shingles, we know, can be implicated in heart disease.

20:49Allan Little:Yeah. And how much lower then is the risk?

20:54Hasan Hasanovic:So we found that the burden of cardiovascular disease was reduced by 9%. What that means is people lived an average of 9 % more times without a cardiovascular disease. And if we looked at just halfway through our follow-up at 3.5 years, we found that there was about a 12 % reduction in the total number of people

21:12Allan Little:who had received a cardiovascular disease diagnosis. And this was a pretty wide-ranging study. What, I mean, tens of thousands of people, is that right? That's correct. It's a study led by us, but conducted with data from the USA and looked at looking at 70 ,000 people. Yeah. So what are the implications then? I mean, is it that everyone should be offered this vaccine? So the vaccine currently is offered in many countries for older people.

21:44Hasan Hasanovic:We still need, and our study was limited to people who are older, so over the age of 60. So we need to confirm those findings with a clinical trial. And there's one underway in Denmark. But if they are confirmed, the implications could be enormous because cardiovascular disease is the leading cause of death worldwide. It kills one in three people and needs to 20 million deaths worldwide every year.

22:07Allan Little:Yeah, OK. So that's the primary concern. And I mean, I think in this country it's offered for people of age 65 and over. I mean, do you think it's possible then that it might be something that should be offered at a lower age?

22:21Hasan Hasanovic:Well, if we are able to show that the vaccine prevents cardiovascular disease, even in younger people, then certainly there would be a case to be made. But we need to be cautious about getting over ourselves. And we need to do the clinical trials and make sure that we can confirm those findings before we make any new recommendations.

22:40Allan Little:OK, we shall await the results of those clinical trials. Thank you very much indeed for joining us. That was Dr. Maxime Take of Oxford University who led that study into the impact of that shingles vaccine into lowering the risk of heart disease and stroke. You're listening to NewsHour. Just a reminder that there is lots more on our top story today, that flash flood in Nepal. Hundreds of people are missing. There is a live page up and running on our website, bbc.com forward slash news. There is also much more to come in the second half of the programme. Do stay with us. Thank you.

23:44Hasan Hasanovic:an Amazon Music subscription.

23:49Allan Little:Welcome back to News Air. Now at least a quarter of former NFL players who died from 2016 to 2021 had a progressive neurological disease caused by repeated impacts to the head. It's called CTE or chronic traumatic encephalopathy. This is according to a new study in the British Medical Journal. Researchers examined samples of the brains from more than 800 players who'd appeared in the NFL and died during that period. The NFL Players Association has called the study a sobering reminder that football carries real risks. Well, earlier, my colleague Isaac Fannin spoke to Randy Grimes, a former NFL player, about what needs to be done to prevent it for the next generation.

24:31Hasan Hasanovic:Well, I think you've got to educate parents. You've got to educate coaches at the lower levels. You've got to teach them what to look for and really monitor these kids and the amount of blows that they're having. You know, I played back in an era where we used to beat the heck out of each other all week long. I call it that Bear Bryant mentality where coaches always thought if you don't practice hard, you're not going to play hard. But, you know, things have changed now and practices aren't what they used to be. There's not as much contact as there used to be. That's a good first start. It's important that we educate these high school and college coaches and parents.

25:13Hasan Hasanovic:Parents have to know what their kids are getting into. Not that it's going to change anything because, you know, there's a lot of pride and ego there. Guys are not going to raise their hand and ask for help if they do have some symptoms. But we've got to educate them and so they can make the best decisions. Do you think the sport can be played safely? No, no. I think football is football. It's going to always be what it is. I think there's some things you might can do that can make it a little safer. I mean, I know that they've improved the equipment, the headgear and all that. But you know what?

25:46Hasan Hasanovic:It doesn't stop the brain from slapping up against the inside of the skull. And that's where the damage is being done. Football is going to always be football. You know, if guys are going to be like me, you know, knowing what I know now, you know, I hadn't played since 93. But knowing what I know now, I'd go back and do it all over again. I mean, I love the game that much. And it's also, there's a lot of pride and ego that keeps these guys from raising their hand.

26:12Allan Little:I know you started your own foundation kind of trying to help former players like yourself.

26:19Hasan Hasanovic:What's the next step, do you think? Continued education. You know, the more that we talk about this, it's kind of like substance abuse. You know, the more we talk about it, the easier it is for people to raise their hand and ask for help. It kind of removes the stigma. And so it's the same thing with CTE. You know, the more we talk about it, the more we educate people, then easier it's going to be for these guys to raise their hands or these families to raise their hands and ask for help because they're the ones that are noticing all the symptoms and they're the ones suffering through this. The beautiful thing about all this is that we're finally talking about it.

26:54Hasan Hasanovic:We weren't talking about it earlier in the last 12 months, but now we are because of this study that's come out. So that's the great thing is that we're educating people, we're talking about it, and it's going to be easier for people to raise their hand and ask for help.

27:11Allan Little:And that was former NFL player Randy Grimes there. You're listening to NewsHour. This is the BBC World Service in London. You're listening to NewsHour and I'm James Menendez. Menendez. While we've been on the air, reports have been coming through from the US saying that Meta, that's the holding company, of course, of Facebook and Instagram, has agreed to settle its case with the 29 states suing it for harming children. Unconfirmed reports suggest that Meta will have to pay up to$17 billion and make some changes to those sites. We're hoping to bring you some more details on that a little later on the programme.

27:52Allan Little:Now, there's been an extraordinary outpouring of tributes to the country music star Dolly Parton since the announcement of her death on Tuesday. Paul McCartney described her singing and songwriting as unrivaled in the world of country music. Taylor Swift said a world without Dolly Parton doesn't feel possible, real or right. And it's even given politicians in the US something to agree on. President Trump called her death a true loss and ordered flags to fly at half mast. The former president Bill Clinton said Parton was one of a kind. Well, she was 80 years old and had been suffering from cancer.

28:25Allan Little:Her management team confirmed that she'd passed away at a hospital in Nashville surrounded by her family. The city was her home. The BBC's Helena Humphrey is there.

28:39Hasan Hasanovic:This is a city known for its bright lights and raucous honky-tonk bars that line the Broadway strip. But a few blocks over, outside the Country Music Hall of Fame, the mood is more reflective.

28:55Hasan Hasanovic:That's Dolly Parton's coat of many colours, being played by seven-year-old Nash on his violin. People have been arriving here all evening, some in well-worn cowboy boots, others in the kind of rhinestone ones Dolly herself might have worn. They're leaving flowers and lighting candles and talking about her music. talking about Codamone College. My grandmother, who passed away about a year ago, loved that song. She was from Oklahoma and a huge fan. It's a song about Dolly's own childhood, growing up poor in rural Tennessee. And what you hear again and again is that people love not just her music, but what she did with her success, like her Imagination Library, giving millions of books to children around the world.

29:39Hasan Hasanovic:I have two kids that were born in Tennessee. Her Imagination Library, They started getting books from one month on up until they're five. We still have all the books. So it just, everything she does was for other people. And there's what she did for Tennessee. Her theme park, Dollywood, brought tourists and jobs to the place she came from. She should have been a billionaire, but she just kept giving money away because that's what it was for. She was our Queen Mother Saint of the Appalachian.

30:08Allan Little:Name one celebrity who has the respect that she has commanded.

30:12Hasan Hasanovic:Yeah.

30:14Allan Little:Everyone's out here today. Like, she put her money down. It feels like there's not one person that everybody respects other than Dolly.

30:23Hasan Hasanovic:In a country that can often feel deeply divided, Dolly Parton was that rare person who seemed to bring people together across generations and politics.

30:33Allan Little:Helena Humphrey in Nashville. While being so popular, it's no wonder that countless music journalists wanted to interview Dolly Parton. One of those who did was Rasheen O 'Connor. She's music editor at the independent online newspaper and Rasheen joins us now very good to have you with us on News Hour now I think you got to interview Dolly back in 2023 after what quite a bit of pestering it did mean a lot to you just tell us why first of all um okay so I mean I guess

31:01Hasan Hasanovic:like a lot of people I grew up on Dolly's music that's basically it um but also I think again to a lot of people she was just this incredible example for a lot of women I think the force of nature aspect the the doing things that she wanted to do in spite of industry misogyny um that spoke to me personally quite a lot um and just yeah as also I think as a lot of women relate to um you know being told to be less I think by society a lot of the time and for Dolly you know she very actively seemed to encourage you to be more.

31:34Allan Little:So how did the call go because it's quite funny isn't it uh she she certainly uh made you feel welcome shall we say well yeah so

31:43Hasan Hasanovic:obviously roshi an irish name um understandably some people struggle to pronounce it she checked at the beginning of the interview um and you know i just had an opportunity to explain actually my university friends used to sing roshine to me to the tune of her biggest song jolene um and she got it straight away and then started to sing my name to the tune of jolene so yeah that was a bit of a

32:05Allan Little:moment were you able to record it i mean that's the sort of thing you want as your ringtone isn't

32:09Hasan Hasanovic:it there is a recording there's a classic story of an old phone losing it but to be honest like i'm not sad about it it was just something that was very beautiful in the moment and i will

32:19Allan Little:obviously remember for the rest of my life yeah of course of course and and how and but i mean as the interview progressed how did you find her just incredible i think you know like as many

32:30Hasan Hasanovic:people have said there's very few people in this world that everyone kind of agrees on um but dolly was definitely one of them um I think she was who she was both in public and in private um you know she was very spirited and frank and funny um she could be self-deprecating but she also you know took her music incredibly seriously of course um she was also very famously deflective where she didn't want to talk about something she was just so skilled at sort of dancing around the question but she would never make you feel you know guilty or bad for asking it um she just sort of answered the way she wanted to um i was surprised she did seem to kind of get into the politics of things a little bit but she'd written the song world on fire for her new album rock star um so we spoke about that a bit and i think she was just again understandably feeling a bit sort of uh wet like weary i think of um of the way the world was and yet she sort of wore her kind of politics and her activism lightly didn't she um i think well yeah like if you look at like you know she didn't make many statements about or she didn't make any statements really about where she stood um on any political side of the spectrum but you know everything she did you know was through her actions so she donated to lgbtq charities she was an amazing champion for children's literacy um you know she donated to aids research and also to funding a covid19 vaccine um you know and i think she led with kindness and generosity and empathy um you know which i think everyone agree we could do with a little bit more of rasheen thank you very much indeed for coming

34:00Allan Little:on to tell us about that. That was Rasheen O 'Connor, music editor at The Independent Online. Well, as Rasheen was hinting at, I mean, she had a sense of humour, she had quick wit. And Dolly Parton never shied away from her use of plastic surgery, making those self-deprecating jokes about it. We're just going to hear some clips from her appearances over the years. This was her 2002 appearance on Ireland's The Late Late Show.

34:26Hasan Hasanovic:You know, I need to make a lot of money because it would amaze you to know how much it costs to make a person look this cheap. And there's a lot of truth in that.

34:38Allan Little:She even told CBS's 60 Minutes, this was in 2009, that people's stereotyping has sometimes played into her hands.

34:45Hasan Hasanovic:Well, I certainly got hit on a lot, and a lot of men thought I was as silly as I looked, I guess. You know, I look like a woman, but I think like a man. And in this world of business, that has helped me a lot, because by the time they think that I don't know what's going on, I done got the money and gone.

35:02Allan Little:She also had the knack for telling a good story. Here she is speaking to Conan O 'Brien, the chat show host in 2001, about the time she entered a Dolly Parton lookalike contest in California with a surprising result.

35:15Hasan Hasanovic:One year, I thought, well, this would be a great night for me to get out and not be noticed because there's so many lookalikes. So many Dolly Partons walking around, I can just go out. Seriously, I went into this club and I had kind of over-exaggerated my own self, you know, made my beauty mark bigger, made my eyes bigger and the hair a little more. And I got down there and they were having a Dolly Parton lookalike contest. And it was mostly drag queens, guys down there. And so I went in and I got in line with everybody else, but somebody else won.

35:44Allan Little:She also spoke on TV about modelling her style on that of a woman in her hometown who was judged for her appearance. This is her in 1998 telling the story to the ITV host Des O 'Connor.

35:57Hasan Hasanovic:The most beautiful girl, woman I had ever seen in my life. We didn't go to town that much, but when I would, I would go to see her because she had these long red fingernails, she wore bright lipstick, she had peroxide blonde hair, wore tight clothes, short, and I thought she was the most beautiful thing I had ever seen. And my mother said, oh, she's just trash, she's just a tramp. and I thought, that's what I want to be when I grow up.

36:22Allan Little:Wonderful stuff. The wit and humour of Dolly Parton, who's died at the age of 80. Now, Russia's been waging a campaign to destroy fuel stations in Ukraine. More than 200 of them have been hit so far and the strikes are getting worse. Some villages near the front line are now without petrol and diesel, as Vitaly Shevchenko reports. Filling up your car with fuel can be a dangerous endeavour in Ukraine.

36:54Hasan Hasanovic:And the authorities are urging drivers to be extremely careful when pulling up to the pump. Igor Terekov, the mayor of Ukraine's second largest city, Kharkiv, wrote on social media warning people to fill up quickly and move on to avoid becoming targets.

37:15Allan Little:Attacks come both in the form of smaller drones and much bigger and more expensive Shahed drones.

37:22Hasan Hasanovic:The Ukrainian government says 4 % of the country's petrol stations have been damaged or destroyed. Oleksandr Sirenko, an analyst with the Ukrainian energy think tank Naftorynok, says 246 so far.

37:40Hasan Hasanovic:From April we have been seen a concerted campaign to implement orders or intentions to destroy frontline petrol stations. Not just vehicles that turn up for refueling, but actual petrol stations in five regions closest to the frontline. Such attacks are getting more frequent. The Centre for Information Resilience, an non-profit organisation based in London, says the number jumped by 72 % in July. However, Ukraine has so many petrol stations to start with, that there are still ways of getting fuel in the affected areas if you're willing to drive a bit further and take the risk of pulling up at the pump.

38:21Hasan Hasanovic:Ukrainian soldier Andrey Kibonok says it's still possible to get fuel even right next to the front line. Almost all petrol stations here in on bus have been hit, but some have been partly repaired by operators who try to keep them going so that people can fill up. Everyone knows which petrol stations to go to. I can go get fuel now, be it petrol, diesel or LPG, here in Slovyansk. Logistics got a bit more complicated, but I wouldn't say it's a catastrophe.

38:55Allan Little:But still, Russian strikes targeting forecourts have caused major issues locally.

39:01Hasan Hasanovic:Some key roads have no functioning petrol stations left. After all filling stations were destroyed in one town in north-eastern Ukraine, the local authorities started dispensing fuel straight from road tankers. They keep changing their location to minimise the chances of being hit. And petrol station owners are also taking steps to protect their customers. Here's Oleksandr Melnychuk, an executive from a Ukrainian chain of petrol stations called BRSM Nafta.

39:36Allan Little:The first thing we started doing is protecting fuel tanks that are not underground. Liquefied petroleum gas tanks are usually located on the ground, and that's what they are trying to hit. If they do, the explosion is going to be much bigger. That's why we're using sandbags or concrete blocks to cover such tanks. We are also using anti-drone nets in all the cities near the front line. It will help against smaller drones, but it's useless against the heavy ones such as Shahids.

40:04Hasan Hasanovic:Russian airstrikes against Ukrainian petrol stations have so far failed to cause fuel shortages.

40:11Allan Little:But they are yet another way of increasing pressure on the embattled country. Vitaly Shevchenko. this is james menendez with news air now if you're tired it'd be tempting to think you should nap but researchers at mcgill university in canada have found that 20 minutes of exercise may be just as effective as a 90 minute nap for keeping the brain sharp while operating without sleep but how does exercise make you more alert what's going on i've been talking to the study's lead author, neuroscientist Madhura Lotlikar from McGill University in Montreal.

40:47Hasan Hasanovic:There is a bunch of evidence in normal wakefulness, meaning like when you have slept enough. There is a lot of evidence through that literature that exercise facilitates certain processes that are required for improving memory, other cognitive functions, and it also releases a lot of molecules in our body that are important for regulation of mood, stress, and arousal. And so there are many ways that exercise benefits us and makes us alert and also helps facilitate a lot of cognitive functions.

41:20Allan Little:I mean, is it as simple as and I'm putting it very crudely as getting the blood pumping? In other words, you know, you're getting the blood pumping around your body, but you're also getting it pumping around your brain. And that's good for the brain function?

41:32Hasan Hasanovic:Absolutely. And there's a lot of evidence when you put people through MRI, there is so much evidence on exercise training that there is improvements in connections between different brain regions or increase in the size of different brain regions that are involved in cognitive functions, or even the blood flow to the brain is improved.

41:51Allan Little:And so when it comes to sort of pretty severe sleep deprivation, how did you test this?

41:57Hasan Hasanovic:For our study, we sleep deprived healthy individuals in our laboratory for 30 hours. Normally, we are sleeping for eight hours and we are not sleeping for about 15, 16 hours a day. So these people stayed up for another 15 hours. And after that, they were assigned to one of the three groups. One group was exercising for 20 minutes on the bike. Other group was napping for 90 minutes. And there was another group who just did nothing. After this, they performed a memory task. This is how we compared different groups for their memory performance. And at the same time, we also looked at some of the mechanisms in the brain by hooking them up with electrodes, EEG.

42:45Allan Little:And so what the people who did the exercise, did they perform much better than those who'd had a nap, for example?

42:52Hasan Hasanovic:That's not true. Actually, that's the interesting finding of our study is that people who exercised and nap they both performed 22 percent better than the people who did not do anything and interesting part is that exercise and nap had the same magnitude of benefit on memory so that's kind of interesting firstly because these interventions work than doing nothing but also that exercise and nap had similar benefits which was not what we had expected yeah which may come as a relief to some people who don't

43:22Allan Little:feel like doing any exercise when they're really tired and just want to have a little sleep.

43:26Hasan Hasanovic:Exactly. For our study, we are seeing if you're sleep deprived and you do not have an opportunity to sleep and you have a high stakes task in front of you, maybe these countermeasures can temporarily rescue or sort of repair the effects of sleep loss on your brain.

43:42Allan Little:And possibly a quick burst of exercise rather than a 90 minute nap may be easier for some people to do if they haven't got that much time.

43:51Hasan Hasanovic:Absolutely. Absolutely.

43:53Allan Little:Neuroscientist Madura Lotlikah is from McGill University in Montreal, Canada.

44:02Allan Little:Now, as we've been reporting during the programme, the social media giant Meta's reached a settlement with 29 American states to resolve a court case related to child safety issues on its sites, Facebook and Instagram. Let's talk to the BBC senior technology reporter, Chris Vallance, who joins us on the line. Chris, very good to have you with us. Details coming in. What do we know about the settlement?

44:26Hasan Hasanovic:Well, this was the result of an action by a coalition, a bipartisan coalition of 29 states led by California, Colorado, New Jersey and Kentucky. What we know about the settlement is that the tech company is going to pay a maximum of$16.68 billion. It's also going to make some changes to its system. For example, daily limits and nighttime blocks are on the cards. It doesn't, in reaching the settlement though, it hasn't made any admission of wrongdoing. And it had certainly faced strong accusations of its systems being harmful for children during the trial.

45:25Allan Little:And that was the essence of the state's case, that Meta knew that children were getting addicted to these sites because of the features but failed to do anything about it?

45:37Hasan Hasanovic:Yes, essentially that is the sort of the essence of the case, that Meta's systems encouraged addictive-like behavior, that they also contravened laws around child privacy and the way that targeted advertising worked on its platforms. These were all things Meta denied and strongly pushed back against. With this settlement, of course, those questions remain untested, if you like.

46:15Allan Little:Yeah. Just wondering about the timing. Am I right in thinking that Mark Zuckerberg, obviously the head of Meta, that he was about to testify? Is that right? Was that coming up?

46:26Hasan Hasanovic:That was certainly expected. We did hear from one senior meta leader, Adam Seri of Instagram. So, you know, the states got to examine one of the key players in this case. But yes, we didn't get to hear from Mark Zuckerberg. That would, of course, have been a hotly washed appearance.

46:53Allan Little:And presumably there are other, I mean, because there's been a multitude of cases, there are other cases still in the pipeline.

47:00Hasan Hasanovic:Yes, well, there are indeed a number of claimants. You know, there has been, if you like, a series of cases. And I don't think that this marks the end of it. Although it does mark, you know, a, if you like, a key decision from Metta's point of view. because if you added up the states that were bringing these cases, you're talking about a very significant chunk of the US population, a very major market for Meta. So this decision will certainly be significant for the company. And as I've said, it brings with it no admission of any wrongdoing.

47:46Allan Little:Chris, thank you very much indeed. That was the BBC's senior technology reporter. Chris Valance on those reports of a settlement between Meta and those 29 US states. As Chris was saying, nearly$17 billion the company will pay out, and it's agreed to make some changes to Facebook and Instagram. That is it for this edition of News Air from me and the rest of the team. Thanks for listening. I'll be back at the same time tomorrow. Until then, bye-bye.

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