In short
The episode is a BBC World Service news roundup with multiple segments. Main topic: Ukraine’s drone and missile attacks on Russian energy infrastructure, especially in Crimea and St Petersburg, disrupting fuel, water, and food supplies. It includes claims that Crimea’s bridge queues have grown, fuel sales were restricted via a QR-code system, and Putin downplayed shortages while pledging to boost supplies.
Notable examples
attacks on air-defence facilities, bridges, and an oil refinery in St Petersburg; Crimean residents describing shortages and leaving for Moscow.
Guest backgrounds
James Beardsworth (BBC reporter in Crimea), James Landale (BBC diplomatic correspondent in Moscow), Owen Bennett-Jones (host/anchor), Andalusia Soloff (Mexican journalist), Jessica Parker (BBC correspondent), Associate Prof. Alice Gorman (space archaeologist, Flinders University), Katie and Rob Harrison (marathon runners), Lise Doucet (BBC chief international correspondent), plus Nigel Kennedy (violinist) and Shiroma Silva (interviewer).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOUkraine's Drone Attacks on Russian Infrastructure
0:41 to 2:08
Discussion about Ukraine’s drone attacks on Russian energy infrastructure.
“Hello and welcome to NewsHour from the World Service of the BBC, live from London.”
Impact on Life in Crimea
2:08 to 6:14
Exploration of how drone strikes have affected daily life in Crimea.
“Drone and missile strikes on energy infrastructure and supply routes to the region have choked Crimea, leaving shortages of fuel, water and even groceries.”
Life in Moscow Amidst Fuel Shortages
6:14 to 11:09
Comparison of life in Crimea and Moscow regarding fuel shortages and daily challenges.
“The BBC's diplomatic correspondent is there, actually.”
FIFA World Cup Updates
11:09 to 14:01
Updates on the FIFA World Cup and its impact on local festivities in Mexico.
“You're listening to the World Service of the BBC.”
Protests Against the AfD Conference
14:01 to 17:53
Learn about the protests against the AfD and the concerns surrounding its policies.
“to try to stop delegates from getting to the conference.”
Space Junk and Mysterious Metal Spheres
17:53 to 22:20
Discover the phenomenon of shiny spheres washing up on Australian beaches and their possible origins.
“And that's a report from Jessica Parker in eastern Germany.”
Celebrating 250 Years of American Independence
23:13 to 28:00
Explore the patriotic sentiments and events surrounding the 250th Independence Day celebrations in the U.S.
“The 250th anniversary of US independence comes at a time of American growth, most notably in the tech sector, but also of division with the culture wars as intense as ever.”
Passion for Trump Amidst Challenges
28:00 to 29:23
Discussing the unwavering support for Trump despite current challenges.
“and I don't feel like it should be changed.”
Reflections on America's Founding Principles
29:23 to 31:02
Exploring how modern America aligns with the vision of its founders.
“I met historian Jim Bennett at the foot of the mountain on his first visit here.”
Nigel Kennedy: The Rebel Violinist
31:02 to 36:12
A look at Nigel Kennedy's impact on classical music and his genre-bending approach.
“Since releasing his first record in 1984, a performance of Edward Elgar's Violin Concerto, Nigel Kennedy has been one of the best-known names associated with classical violin music here in the UK for four decades now.”
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Ukraine's Strategic Strikes on Russian Infrastructure
36:12 to 36:58
Reporting on Ukraine's recent drone attacks targeting Russian energy resources.
“Ukraine says it has hit a major oil terminal in Russia's northwestern city of St Petersburg.”
Understanding Marathon Fatigue: Hitting the Wall
36:58 to 42:06
A discussion with marathon runners on the phenomenon of hitting the wall.
“about the idea of getting humanitarian aid from Kazakhstan, you know, that that is not something they're used to.”
Funeral Ceremonies for Ayatollah Khamenei
42:06 to 44:23
Learn about the ongoing public mourning for Iran's former Supreme Leader and its political significance.
“get a second half faster than the first half okay I'm going to leave it there brains over Braun.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. The CIA has been carrying out covert operations around the world for decades. How has it shaped how people feel about the U.S.? I'm Asma Khalid. And I'm Tristan Redman. And together we host the Global Story podcast from the BBC. As part of our series to mark the United States' 250th birthday, we're exploring the CIA's hidden history. Do you think the word of the United States will be trusted in years to come? For more, check out The Global Story on bbc.com or wherever you get your podcasts.
0:41Hello and welcome to NewsHour from the World Service of the BBC, live from London. This is Owen Bennett-Jones. You may have heard in recent weeks that Ukraine has been increasingly successful in its use of drones to attack Russian energy infrastructure. infrastructure. Just last night, there was an attack on an oil refinery in St. Petersburg. But Kiev is also moving on another front. Russia's first annexation of Ukrainian land came in 2014 when it took over Crimea. And since then, no one has talked seriously about the Russian grip on Crimea being loosened. But Ukrainian drones have been making a mark in Crimea in recent weeks, hitting air defence facilities, bridges and energy-related targets.
1:27And these sustained attacks have really disrupted daily life there, as the BBC's James Beardsworth reports. On the single bridge that connects Crimea to the Russian mainland, traffic stretches for kilometres as cars try to leave the peninsula. This is an absolute record, says the motorist filming the queue. Over the past two months, Ukraine has made the illegally occupied peninsula a new theatre of the war, making life there increasingly intolerable.
2:08Drone and missile strikes on energy infrastructure and supply routes to the region have choked Crimea, leaving shortages of fuel, water and even groceries. 24-year-old Alexei, not his real name, is an IT worker from the western Crimean city of Yevpatoria. He told me more. Ukrainian drones are flying, rockets are flying like every week and the logistics have been damaged to the point where we have no petroleum right here and we have some shortages in various goods. The most serious of these shortages is fuel. In efforts to combat the situation, the regional authorities have declared a state of emergency across Crimea and stopped the sale of fuel at the pump.
2:58Nastya, again not her real name, is a resident of Sevastopol, the largest city in Crimea, where shortages have bitten the hardest. I've almost completely stopped using my car I only drive when it's really necessary We recently introduced a QR code system You are supposed to get a QR code through the messaging app And then use it to buy fuel The idea itself isn't bad But the implementation has been a complete failure Getting one of these QR codes Has turned into something like the Hunger Games We tried from lots of different funds. I still never got one. In a rare recognition of the crisis, President Vladimir Putin addressed the shortages last Sunday, calling them not critical, but pledging to boost fuel supplies by both land and sea.
3:57The attacks have left many Crimeans, who have been largely sheltered from Russia's 2022 invasion, increasingly frustrated. Irina, again, not her real name, is an archaeologist and also a Sevastopol resident. I think on the both sides, people are mostly angry. Whilst many blame Ukraine for their current situation, Irina says that in Crimea, it is a far more complicated picture. Most of us, we lived in Crimea our whole lives. therefore we lived in Ukraine. And a lot of us have relatives and friends and it just isn't that sort to blame the nations. Instead, many are beginning to point the finger at Moscow and what they say is its failure to protect Crimeans.
4:45Nastya told me more. It's hard not to blame the authorities. It feels like we should have prepared better. The situation had been getting more and more tense every month and every year. People here have always been optimistic. They believed things would work out and try to just live their lives. But now it feels like they are being worn down, little by little, over and over again. Though many I spoke to pledged to stick it out, hoping that the situation will improve. Some, like Alexei and his wife. believe a life in Crimea is no longer possible. We've already bought the tickets, so we're leaving in the first days of July.
5:33Where are you going? To Moscow. I can tolerate drones and rockets, but I can tolerate electricity problems. I work from home, and if there is no electricity, there is no work for me. I mean, you were born in Crimea, you've lived in Crimea all your life. How does it feel to leave your home? I feel angry, even furious, if I might say. I want to live here. We have a flat, we have life, friends, and now we must live because there is no more normal life in this town. And that was Alexei ending that report from James Beersworth saying he's off to Moscow, but what's he going to find there? The BBC's diplomatic correspondent is there, actually.
6:19James Landale happens to be there at the moment. So when someone like Alexei will come from Crimea, where obviously it's pretty bad, but when he gets to Moscow, what's he going to find? I think comparatively, a degree of normality, simply because the war in Moscow seems a lot further away than it does in Crimea. because in Crimea, it has been a place that has been subject to substantial amount of military activity from the Ukrainian side. And I think the shortages of fuel are greater there. However, he will see in Moscow that there's a shortage of fuel here, too. We've been spending a few days driving around Moscow, visiting petrol stations.
7:04And it's rare that you find a petrol station either that has no queue. The vast majority of them do have queues of varying lengths. and others where there is no queue, it means it's shut and there's no fuel there at all. So to that extent, he'll find that quite familiar. I was reading, very surprised to read, that the Russians are now taking refined oil or gas, gasoline, back from India. There's all that fuss about crude oil going into India. It's coming back now. Yeah, I mean, that is the great irony, and it's not been lost on people here, that Russia is one of the world's largest producers of crude oil.
7:43and yet such has been the extent of the Ukrainian targeting of Russian oil refineries that it is now having to, according to reports, get imports of refined oil, not just from India. There's been reports also that it's starting to come from Kazakhstan, which if you talk to a full-blooded Russian about the idea of getting humanitarian aid from Kazakhstan, You know, that is not something they're used to. Now, watching these Ukrainian drones going over the big Russian cities, you know, I mean, yeah, I'm not a military man, but they look big and they look flimsy and very slow. Why is it so hard for Russia to defend themselves against these drones?
8:30I mean, if you listen to the Russians and you follow what the Ministry of Defence says, they will say actually they are being pretty successful. They're shooting down the vast majority of them that are being sent in. However, some are clearly getting through. I think primarily, you know, the scale and the geography is the key factor. Russia has a huge area to defend. And if Ukraine, as seems to be the case, locates one area and floods it with drones, it's very, very hard, I think, for the Russians to defend. In Ukraine, the Ukrainians have a very well now well honed system of basically communications.
9:18In other words, identifying where the drones, the incoming drones are coming from and where they need to deploy those defences. And I think that's something that the Russians have yet to develop. I was reading one explanation for what's happening is that the Ukrainians are just, you know, they're smaller, they're less established as a military. They're just it's easier for them to adapt than it is for this big Russian military machine, as perhaps it would be for the big American military machine or British military machine. The Ukrainians have been able to adapt quite quickly to this new technology.
9:53Yes, they have. And, you know, necessity has been the mother of invention. there um however i think one thing we've seen during this war uh at least since the full-scale invasion in 2022 is that russia has started to learn how to learn and its military has adapted substantially and so for example uh where initially ukraine had a fairly uh you know obvious advantage when it came to the deployment of short-range first-person vision drones on the front line, the Russians have caught up there and are innovating and are learning and are adapting at pretty much the same speed as the Ukrainians because there, both sides are essentially learning on a day-by-day, week-by-week basis and adapting their technology in concert.
10:48I think elsewhere, when it comes to defending against long-range drones and longer-range missiles, that, I think, is harder. And I think it is much more a sense of geography and capacity because defending against fast missiles is much harder. Thanks very much indeed. That was James Landale in Moscow. You're listening to the World Service of the BBC.
11:21We're now well into the knockout stages of the FIFA World Cup. The round of 16 matches have started and France are through to the quarterfinals. They beat Paraguay 1-0. One of the tournament's co-hosts, Canada, are out. They lost 3-0 to Morocco. Lots of young Moroccans on the streets of London last night celebrating. And later today, it's Mexico, another co-host, playing England in Mexico. Andalusia Soloff is a Mexican journalist who's following all this. She's been telling us there is some risk of the weather causing problems. For whatever reason, they decided to just go ahead with the original kickoff time, which is 6 p.m.
12:01in Mexico City. And if there are storms, it will be delayed, but they hope that there will not be storms. People are insanely excited. Actually, when it kicked off, at first, people were not very excited. So there was really like not that much of a festive environment. But not only that, it was that people felt like there was a party in your house, but that you couldn't attend it because the tickets were so expensive. And people really felt like they were not being included in the World Cup. But what Mexico City and also Guadalajara and Monterrey, the three cities that are hosting the games, have done is put enormous screens all over the cities and these like big local fan fest.
12:40And that has really boosted the energy. So with the last week's win over Ecuador, there were actually 1 ,400 ,000 people that came out to celebrate in the streets. And we're actually celebrating until 9 a.m. The streets are still full of people celebrating. People are actually like friends of mine were just reaching out, being like, are you going to be at the celebration tomorrow? We want to come from all different states. The whole country is so excited. There was a statistic actually saying that it's believed that 90 percent of the Mexican population has been interacting with the World Cup, meaning that either they're watching the games or going to the games or going to these fan fest, all kinds of fun things going on the streets and people actually bringing out like traditional, like even Mexican bowls that are lit up with fireworks and dancing with them in the middle, like also just bringing traditional Mexican culture and integrating it into the World Cup celebration.
13:32Of course, we're going to win. And that was Mexican journalist Andalusia Soloff there. Germany's right-wing alternative for Germany, AFD, is holding its annual party conference this weekend in the eastern state of Turingia. And that is one of its electoral strongholds. Nationally, the party is polling in the high 20s. But as well as support, there is also strong opposition to the AFD. and some campaigners have been blocking roads to try to stop delegates from getting to the conference. Our correspondent Jessica Parker has this report.
14:13I'm making my way through a huge crowd of protesters. They're here because just up the road, the party Alternativa for Deutschland is holding its annual conference. I've been speaking to a couple of people who've shown up here. Stephanie and Felix, who live in the local area. We've stood on a road where people are doing a sit-in. There are obviously attempts as part of this demonstration today to stop AFD delegates getting to their conference. Is that all right to try and prevent people from going to a party conference? Is it all right to force migrants to go back to their countries with war? and bad situations happening in their home countries.
15:02It's our right to be here and the right to protest against a party that, in my opinion, is not democratic. I have several colleagues of mine that directly told me if the AfD gains power, they will leave Germany. They have concrete plans to go to Switzerland, to go to the Netherlands, to go anywhere else but to Germany. And I have to say I'm scared. There is a huge security operation surrounding this event. A helicopter just flew over our heads. I'm looking at a water cannon truck not being used at the moment. And I couldn't tell you how many police fans, police officers I've seen. We're just going to try and get an idea of the scale of the operation from police spokesperson Patrick Martin.
15:49We have pulled in forces from all other German states, several thousand officers. We have water cannon, helicopters, police horses. The situation is complex. Thousands of protesters here at the convention centre, but also protesters blocking roads in the vicinity and dozens of demonstrations in the city centre. Now, sections of the AFD are classed as right-wing extremist by domestic intelligence. The party He argues that's a political smear. It insists it's a democratic movement. Policy-wise, the AFD wants to restore ties with Putin's Russia, buy Russian gas again. And then there's the term remigration, a word that's widely understood to mean mass deportations of people with a migrant background, though the AFD's claimed it's illegal immigrants and foreign criminals that they have in their sights in this respect, not people with German citizenship.
16:48Nevertheless, it raised eyebrows when co-leader Alice Weidel openly used the term last year. This weekend, she took to the stage in Erfurt with this message for the party's opponents. To our political competitors who incite hatred against us and to those troublemakers outside the conference, I say, you can't break us, quite the opposite. it. We are getting stronger and bigger all the time.
17:20People who've showed up to protests here are obviously very against the AFD, even say they fear the party. But this is a party that's polling top in Germany and has a shot at taking power at a state level, a regional level, in elections this autumn. So the AFD is in a pretty buoyant mood. They feel like they're on the march.
17:53And that's a report from Jessica Parker in eastern Germany.
18:02A fair amount has been said in recent years about space junk, the tens of thousands of items floating around in space, a potential hazard to spacecraft. Well, now some of that material does come back to Earth, almost always burning up as it does so. But what's going on in Australia where mysterious metal balls have been washing up on beaches in the north of the country? No definitive explanation for this, but they're sort of shiny spheres and suggestions they are from space rockets. And we can speak now to Associate Professor Alice Gorman, a space archaeologist at Flinders University in Adelaide.
18:40And I think many will agree. I should probably first ask, what is a space archaeologist? What do you do? I look at the material culture, the objects and places that are to do with human movement into space and from an archaeological perspective to find out new things about human behavior. oh right so well this isn't really human behavior this is this is spheres coming down how big are they by the way i've been trying to work out how big they are about the size of a football or something it's a bit difficult to tell from the footage there's nothing for scale but they look to be uh possibly about um 40 to 50 centimeters wide in diameter right and they're very shiny and and what do you think they are they're definitely part of some kind of fuel system so they're called pressure spheres they often contain fuels um under high pressure and they are widely used in spacecraft however these particular ones as you say they're shiny and if they'd come back in through the atmosphere as space junk often does they should be a bit scorched and charred they shouldn't be quite so shiny.
19:55So it's possible that they come from a rocket that a stage that was discarded, the penultimate one, so they've fallen in from the high atmosphere, or they could even possibly come from some kind of maritime vessel. Maritime vessel? How do you mean? Lots of fuel systems use fuel under pressure in these sorts of tanks. Oh, I see. Okay. and because they don't look scorched or charred and they've washed up on a beach. So it's possible they're not from space. It makes a difference because it just occurred to me if these things which look very hard and quite heavy landed on you, that would be the end of you, right?
20:39Well, they wouldn't do you any good if they landed on you. But fortunately, it's extremely rare for space junk to land on people. However, we've had a massive increase in launches in the last five years. So the odds are getting shorter for space junk damaging people or property. Has it ever happened? In 1984, I think, a woman was walking in a park in the US and a piece of space junk, a little one, hit her on the shoulder and left a big bruise. and there have been a few occasions where some rocket parts which haven't come from orbit, which have come from the high atmosphere, have fallen on or near people's houses or their villages, but fortunately not at this stage.
21:30Okay. And just reading about this prior to talking to you, I sort of didn't understand this, but when stuff comes down from space, which it does quite often, it normally burns up before it gets to the Earth's surface, right? yeah normally everything burns up the bits that survive to the surface have are made of materials with a very high burning temperature like titanium alloys and it's exactly the kind of material that these spheres are made from they're so common they're actually called space balls and they're found all over the world and sometimes they're found years after they've actually landed on the Earth.
22:09Sounds like we all need to use umbrellas a little more, just in case, or maybe that would be a weak defence. Anyway, thank you very much. That's Associate Professor Alice Gorman in Adelaide on space balls or possibly marine craft balls that have been landing on Australian beaches.
22:41How did the United States build the largest soft power empire in the world with the help of some tiny metal objects? I'm Tristan Redmond, one of the hosts of the Global Story podcast from the BBC. To mark 250 years of the United States, we speak to Roman Mars of 99 % invisible. This soft power, this influence was an incredible invention. For more, listen to The Global Story on bbc.com or wherever you get your podcasts.
23:13The 250th anniversary of US independence comes at a time of American growth, most notably in the tech sector, but also of division with the culture wars as intense as ever. Now, traditionally, in the past, presidents of America have tended to stress American unity. But President Trump has been talking about division again, trialing new political attack lines about a communist threat. The communist system is the opposite of the American system and the communist system has never worked. Our warriors did not fight communism on battlefields across the world only to have that menace rear its ugly head right back here in America.
23:59We're not going to let it happen. Sounds like that's what the midterm campaigning will be all about. President Trump was speaking at a rally in Washington, D.C., which was delayed after thousands of spectators had to be evacuated from the National Mall due to fears of a thunderstorm. But he did finally get to the podium, and he had a more traditional message, too, about what it means to be American. Americans must never forget that we are a historic and heroic people with a heroic spirit and a heroic purpose on this beautiful earth of ours. We are made the courage and the fire and the flesh and the blood of the best and the bravest people this world has ever produced.
24:40We are the bravest and the best. Tonight we pledge allegiance to the flag they gave us and we say God bless the immortal patriots of 1776 and long live the cause of independence. So what about those who braved the weather? What did they think of the celebrations? I'm thrilled. It's our 250th Independence Day. I can't think of a better place to spend it than D.C. Being able to see all of the different monuments to the different accomplishments throughout our 250 years of history. Feeling great. I mean, I think the event and what it means to our country, it inspires you. You know, this is experiencing a little heat.
25:23It's a lot less than what a lot of people sacrifice to give us this freedom in this awesome country. So even though it's been hot and they've cancelled the parade and stuff like that, the excitement of being able to be in the presence of the president of the United States and hear him give celebration to our nation is just, it's very moving and it's powerful. I get chills even thinking about it. On Friday, President Trump visited Mount Rushmore in South Dakota, home to the famous presidential monument carved into the side of a mountain. And the BBC's North America editor, Sarah Smith, was in South Dakota and is speaking to some more Americans about the state of the country at the time of this 250th anniversary.
26:09So just how patriotic are Americans feeling? We stand beneath the monument of these heroes, a true group of unbelievable people. Donald Trump is relishing his role at the centre of America's 250th anniversary. And we rededicate ourselves to being a nation as big, bold, noble and as great as these American giants. Delivering the speech at Mount Rushmore, right underneath the carved faces of four of his greatest predecessors. These men could only have been made in the USA. America is setting up on Mount Rushmore a monument to Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt.
26:50Conceived as a tourist attraction, each president was intended to represent a chapter in America's story. 10 ,000 years from now. In 1936, Franklin D. Roosevelt attended a dedication here. I think we can meditate and wonder whether our descendants, because I think they'll still be here, What they will think about us is that we have honestly striven to preserve for our descendants a decent land to live in and a decent form of government to operate under. When you get to Mount Rushmore, it is a genuinely impressive sight. These enormous, imposing faces gazing out of the granite. It is pretty busy, no surprise really, on the 4th of July weekend.
27:33but you can see groups gazing up and debating whether you could, whether you should add another face to the mountain and whether Donald Trump should be up there. Let's see where we can put him. What do you think? To the left or to the right? The biggest in the front. There you go. President Trump has shared AI-generated images online that show his face carved into the monument, provoking outrage among his critics, amusement from his fans. It wouldn't hurt me one bit. I think he deserves to be up there. I think what exists today is appropriate. and I don't feel like it should be changed. It does, admittedly, on the right-hand side of Abraham Lincoln, look like there is space where you could put in one more face, but experts say it wouldn't be technically possible.
28:13There just isn't enough granite left. You could seriously damage the existing faces because there's a really deep fissure running through the rock. That's disappointing news for Tim Burke and Terry Davis, who rode over 800 miles on their motorbikes from Idaho to be here for the same weekend as President Trump's visit. I'm 72 years old, and I have not been this passionate about any other president until he took the reins of this country. 20, 30 years from now, the historians will say that he's been one of the greatest presidents in the history of our nation. Absolutely. That's what the majority of America believes.
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28:49Donald Trump's poll ratings have reached their lowest numbers yet in the wake of the war in Iran and the inflation it's caused. It's not cheap to be a cross-country motorbike rider now. So are those price rises a concern? Small price to pay. You're starting to see the stabilisation. Once that strait is completely open, you'll see all the prices drop again. America has overcome bigger challenges before and will again. Donald Trump may dominate the national conversation now, but it remains to be seen whether history will view him as a transformative president or an aberration. I think of him as an aberration, and a historical one at that.
29:23I met historian Jim Bennett at the foot of the mountain on his first visit here. I mean, there are plenty of examples of a person just like him who wants to come in and have power in his hands, having been actually shunned from it for a while, and really wants it, tries to transform it on a populist message, and did not go very well. How about you guys make a little noise for the black and brown? Saddle up, it is rodeo time in the tiny South Dakota town of Belle Fouche, which lies at the geographical center of the United States. Tonight there's bareback bronco riding, mutton busting and barrel racing.
30:00As always, the crowds stand, their right hands solemnly placed over their hearts for the national anthem. But polls suggest pride in America has fallen to a 25-year low. As many as 8 in 10 Americans believe the men who signed the Declaration of Independence would be disappointed by the state of the nation today. 250 years old, what do you think the founders would make of today's American? Probably not happy. We're far from the words written in the Declaration of Independence. What's going on? The government has too much power. It should be the people have the power, but the government do. They might be a little disappointed, but I think that they would applaud that we're trying to hold true to their vision.
30:38What would the founders make of America today? Nothing's perfect, and I think they probably would have a few notes, but isn't that the story of history? There's always notes. America is still a remarkably young country, but there is reverence for its history and the story of its founding. and a shared belief in the pursuit of freedom that bridges deep political divides and will propel the nation forward to its next chapter. And that was Sarah Smith reporting from South Dakota.
31:14Since releasing his first record in 1984, a performance of Edward Elgar's Violin Concerto, Nigel Kennedy has been one of the best-known names associated with classical violin music here in the UK for four decades now. His subsequent recording of Vivaldi's The Four Seasons with the English Chamber Orchestra in 1989 sold over two million copies. It became one of the all-time best-selling classical recordings. His status as a star was reinforced by an enfant terrible image, wearing outlandish clothes and having distinctive haircuts. and this year he's back touring the UK and Shiroma Silva went along to meet him to see whether he's still acting the rebel.
32:09Sporting a football shirt from his favourite team, Aston Villa, Nigel Kennedy is playing some of his own compositions at a pre-concert soundcheck.
32:28Known for his collaborations with rock and pop musicians and embracing of jazz, I wondered if he's still bending genres. Really, you know, it's just no such thing as categories anymore with me. I'm just into good music and if it touches a heartstring of mine then I'll try and communicate it with a bowstring or something. But first off, Nigel wanted to clarify the term classical music. I quite often try to remember to refer to it as notated music as opposed to classical because Beethoven would have given me a slap in the face if I'd have called him classical. He was trying to get away from that.
33:16But he's balked at some of the rigid boundaries he's witnessed. I remember in my early days taking some of my friends to classical gigs that I was doing and they were frowned upon so much because they were wearing ripped jeans or leather jackets instead of all of this evening gear that people put on. So that gave me a little bit of motivation to try and dismantle some of them barriers which are associated with certain types of music. And he certainly did, bringing the repertoire of Bach and Vivaldi to the masses and sales of his 1989 recording of The Four Seasons, earning him a place in the Guinness Book of Records.
33:57So I do feel quite proud of that achievement that I did manage to introduce into people's households. In a time before YouTube and that, they'd actually have to go and buy it and take it home and listen to it.
34:14and decades on the fire burns just as bright i practice bark every morning as a kind of spiritual reality but also it's good for your hands in the form of some kind of meditation so at least i've converted one person which is namely my wife you know because she hears it every day and she's still putting up with it but like some villa fans that i've been going to the games with. They say, nice man, why don't you play some music with some soul, man? You know, and they still don't like the violin or classical so-called music.
34:52I wondered what he makes of the supposed popularity of classical music, especially amongst younger audiences, down in part to expanded concerts. The definition of, as we're calling it, classical, it has been expanded to include a lot of types of music of dubious substance, I think, you know. So in that respect, maybe people say, oh, I like classical, but they'll be listening to Hans Zimmer or something from Batman and they'll be calling it classical because it's a symphony orchestra playing it. And I'm not sure, you know, I think hearing massive attack or like primal scream played by an orchestra, the orchestra's like a sponge which soaks up the energy from the beat.
35:34You were the enfant terrible, right? Are you still rebelling? I'm not rebelling because I know what's right, but what is right for me and what is right for my audience is definitely not what has been deemed right by various people sitting behind desks in record companies, these tastemakers. I don't really believe I'm breaking barriers or doing anything like that. I've just decided what is right, and I'll share that. Sounds slightly rebellious. Violinist Nigel Kennedy speaking there with Sharoma Silva.
36:12And a reminder of the main news just now. Ukraine says it has hit a major oil terminal in Russia's northwestern city of St Petersburg. Ukraine has recently intensified its long-range drone attacks on Russia's critical energy infrastructure, causing widespread fuel shortages. And the BBC's diplomatic correspondent, James Landale, who's in Moscow, says it's now rare to find a petrol station with no queue. Russia is one of the world's largest producers of crude oil. And yet such has been the extent of the Ukrainian targeting of Russian oil refineries that it is now having to, according to reports, get imports of refined oil, not just from India.
36:54There's been reports also that it's starting to come from Kazakhstan, which, you know, if you talk to a full-blooded Russian about the idea of getting humanitarian aid from Kazakhstan, you know, that that is not something they're used to.
37:10If you have ever run a marathon, you will probably be aware of the phrase, hitting the wall. It's that moment when you're running along, probably in the second half of the race, when you suddenly run out of steam. Your legs feel like concrete, your body slows down, and so does your brain. There is a reason this happens. It's the moment when the body runs out of stored carbohydrates. and researchers who've just been published in a journal called Scientific Reports found something rather interesting about this, that men are nearly twice as likely to hit the wall as women. So why? We can hear now from a married couple of marathon runners, so they should be able to help us.
37:50Katie and Rob Harrison, who join us live now. And you have, I think, just finished not a marathon, but a 24-hour run, which sounds quite incredible, a marathon cubed or something like that. So, well, I think you've just finished it, haven't you? How long ago were you doing that? Yeah, we have just finished. It finished, it was, it started at 12 p.m. yesterday and finished at 12 p.m. today. A couple of hours ago. Wow. Yes. And how are you feeling? I mean, you should be asleep by now already, I thought. Yes, the next thing we're going to do is, yeah, get some sleep this afternoon. Well, congratulations.
38:28Now, you've both run lots of marathons, is that right? Yes. yeah and and you have hit the wall i presume both of you rob start with you as a man have you hit the wall uh yes probably several more times than katie has done yeah right so tell me what it's like what first of all the phenomenon what's what what happens um you you're running along all of a sudden you um but it is just like hitting a wall you you struggle to go any further you you you You feel okay one second and then all of a sudden all the energy goes from your body and you struggle to put one foot in front of the other. Quite often there's a little build-up to it, so your mind starts to go and you're trying to, say, keep to a pace, but all of a sudden, rather than necessarily slowing down a little bit, you keep at that pace and that probably is the thing that makes you hit it.
39:26Katie, have you experienced this? yes i have yeah i think as rob said less than him i think generally when we're going into a race i will be a lot more cautious and take it a lot slower and steadier and then if i've got anything left i will sort of use it at the end whereas rob doesn't do that he he kind of goes all guns blazing he goes out hard and fast and then just see what sees what happens well it's what you've just described there is exactly what these researchers found which is basically the men are overconfident they think they think they can you know run the whole thing at top speed and then they can't and they and they sort of come to a crashing halt towards towards the end i mean katie that's right isn't it is that how you see it yeah that's exactly how i see it and i think rob i know from our own personal experiences rob will say oh i'm going to do this and it'll be really quite ambitious i think goal whereas i would never say that even though i might try and And part of me might want to train for it.
40:26But I think he just, he thinks that he can sometimes, not always, but sometimes he thinks he can do more than he's maybe capable of. And I think then you tend to hit the wall a lot quicker. Now, Rob, if you know this happens, presumably you've adjusted and you never overdo it at the beginning. Am I right? You would think so, wouldn't you? You would think so, yes. So I'm a bit more cautious than I used to be. um i think as well probably experience the teachers you um so constantly reassess as you're racing and and now i i you know say after 13 miles or 15 miles 16 miles i'll i'll constantly sort of like reassess how i'm doing and instead of like trying to stick to a pace i'll i will slow down earlier now um so it's just pushing the wall a little bit further into the distance Well, this really is tortoise and hare material, isn't it?
41:22And Katie, as the tortoise, do you ever beat him? Well, interestingly, I've just beaten him in this 24-hour run. Because... Ah, well done. He's a perfect example because Rob went out really hoping to go really far and he went far too quickly. And then, so Rob stopped much earlier. And then I wasn't quite tortoise and hare and I passed him. because he'd stopped and then I was able to get to go ahead but I started a lot more cautiously and I think that's what I I tend to do so in marathons they talk quite a lot about you you want to aim for a negative split so your second half is quicker than your first half and that's something I always aim for and I don't know if you ever I don't think I very very very rarely get a second half faster than the first half okay I'm going to leave it there brains over Braun.
42:14Well done, Katie, for beating him today. That's Katie and Rob Harrison. Now, large crowds of mourners, just our last story today, have gathered in Tehran for the second official day of the funeral ceremonies for the country's former Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was killed on the first day of the US-Israeli war on Iran in February, along with four of his family members. His surviving son, Moshtaba, who took over as Supreme Leader, hasn't been seen at any of these events but lots of people have they've been bused in from across iran and the bbc's chief international correspondent lise doucet has this i can see the blue dome of the vast open air masala compound where for a second day today huge crowds are moving into that complex in order to pay their last respects to their assassinated supreme leader ayatollah ali khamenei And the four members of his family whose caskets are set up alongside his on a stage, including his 14-month-old granddaughter, Zahra.
43:17It's intensely hot in terms of the heat of the day. It's intensely emotional. Those who are going in are among the most loyal followers of not just the Ayatollah, but the Islamic Republic that he presided over for 37 years. clad in black, many waving banners of Iran, chanting not just Islamic prayers, but also the political slogans which defined his rule, death to America and death to Israel. These six days of public mourning, which will take place across five of the cities holiest to Shia Islam here in Iran and neighboring Iraq, is intensely religious, but also deeply, deeply political. The main symbol for these ceremonies is a clenched fist, a symbol of resistance and a symbol of revenge.
44:14It's a show of strength by the leaders who emerged not just from the weeks of war against Israel and America, but also the waves of assassinations. Lise Doucette reporting on the basis that her material isn't used on BBC Persian. And that's it. Thanks for listening. Goodbye. The CIA has been carrying out covert operations around the world for decades. How has it shaped how people feel about the U.S.? I'm Asma Khalid. And I'm Tristan Redman. And together we host the Global Story podcast from the BBC. As part of our series to mark the United States' 250th birthday, we're exploring the CIA's hidden history.
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Ukrainian drones strike Russian energy grids amid growing fuel crisis as Kyiv tries to pressure Moscow into peace talks. We also hear how life in Russian-occupied Crimea is becoming unbearable for some residents.
Also in the news: mysterious space debris found on Queensland beaches; and why women are less likely than men to hit the wall in marathons.
(Photo: Smoke rises from an oil refinery following a Ukrainian drone attack in Moscow. Credit: Reuters)
