Ukraine strikes Russian oil refineries

6 Aug 2026 · 47 min · 17 chapters

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In short

Episode topic: Ukraine’s attacks on Russian oil refineries and the knock-on effects on fuel supplies; rising Black Sea shipping attacks; plus other segments on vaccines, US politics, Myanmar-Thailand diplomacy, Iran Strait of Hormuz talks, US munitions shortages, Amanda Knox’s Fringe show, and Afghanistan women’s football.

Guests/backgrounds

Dr Tatyana Mitrova, Russia energy-sector expert and Columbia’s Center on Global Energy Policy fellow. She explains refinery damage, repair timelines, and economic impacts. No other named guests in the Ukraine/Black Sea portion.

Key claims

Ukraine hit two Russian refineries, including Slavneft Janos near Yaroslav, with BBC-verified footage and no reported casualties. Mitrova says earlier strikes knocked out about 30%+ of refining capacity, causing Russia’s severe fuel crisis and shortages/queues, with partial recovery possible by end of year if attacks pause. She argues budget revenue losses are limited because Russia rerouted crude and became an importer of gasoline/diesel (e.g., from India, Belarus, Kazakhstan).

Notable examples

Kherson’s complete electricity blackout; Russia-Ukraine attacks on patrol boats and “Shadow Fleet” tankers near Odessa; Ukrainian Navy patrols showing ports virtually empty; Russia sedating cargo ships in Odessa port.

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Ukraine War Update

0:45 to 1:30

Overview of ongoing attacks in Ukraine and their impact on civilians.

“but civilians continue to bear the brunt with 11 people killed today and one city, Kherson, suffering a complete electricity blackout.”

Attacks on Russian Oil Refineries

1:30 to 3:05

Discussion on Ukraine's strikes on Russian oil refineries and effects.

“But those fires are a highly visible reminder to Russians of the war, as is the knock-on impact on fuel supplies.”

Impact of Oil Infrastructure Damage

3:05 to 5:05

Analysis of how damage to oil infrastructure affects Russian economy.

“During the last wave, Ukraine was actually targeting mainly most expensive and hot to recover assets, like secondary treatment installations, which take up to half a year to replace.”

Ukraine's Naval Operations

5:05 to 6:05

Report on Ukraine Navy's operations amid increased shipping attacks.

“but not really such a big impact on the budget revenues for the oil exports.”

Life in War-Torn Ports

6:05 to 10:15

First-hand accounts of life and danger in Ukraine's ports during war.

“Well, in the latest attacks today, Ukraine said that it also struck two military patrol boats and two Shadow Fleet oil tankers in the Black Sea.”

Civilian Impact of Attacks

10:15 to 13:00

Stories of civilians impacted by drone attacks and military actions.

“Back at Dimitro's port, the air raid siren sounds.”

Fauci's Contempt Vote and Legal Implications

14:00 to 18:37

An overview of the Senate committee's decision to hold Dr. Fauci in contempt and its potential consequences.

“one man's face, name and voice became very well known.”

Innovative Vaccine Technology: Fridge-Free Solutions

18:38 to 22:15

Exploration of a new refrigeration-free vaccine technology and its implications for global health.

“Professor Saul Faust is director of the NIHR clinical research facility in the UK, which has been testing this new fridge-free approach.”

Myanmar's Military Regime and Thailand's Diplomatic Maneuvers

22:16 to 26:09

Discussion on Myanmar's military leader's visit to Thailand and its implications for regional diplomacy.

“Just a story that's just happened in the past 10 or 15 minutes.”

The Strait of Hormuz: Potential Reopening and Implications

26:10 to 28:00

Analysis of the evolving situation regarding the Strait of Hormuz and its impact on international shipping.

“This is the BBC World Service in London.”
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Iran's Deal and the Gulf States

28:00 to 30:36

Discussion on the implications of a potential deal involving Iran and its effects on the Gulf States.

“and not be subject to any kind of Iranian control or at least Iran would have a very light control over it.”

US Military Supplies and Tensions

30:36 to 36:01

Analysis of the depletion of US military supplies due to conflicts in Ukraine and Iran, and its implications.

“That was our security correspondent Frank Gardner.”

Inspiring Feats of 97-Year-Old Betty Bromage

36:01 to 39:05

Feature on Betty Bromage, a 97-year-old woman breaking records with her adventurous spirit.

“That was Darren Selnick, who's a former Deputy Chief of Staff to the US Secretary of Defence, Pete Hegseth.”

Controversy Over Amanda Knox's Comedy Show

39:05 to 42:00

Discussion of Amanda Knox's controversial comedy show and the reactions it elicited regarding sensitive topics.

“This is James Menendez with News Out Live from the BBC.”

Reclaiming Identity and Creativity

42:00 to 42:50

Exploring personal experiences of reclaiming creativity and identity.

“Yeah, yeah and you know to see me for who I really am instead of the idea of me that was delivered to them by people with bad intent.”

Afghanistan's Women Footballers Rise

42:50 to 46:23

The journey of Afghan women footballers returning to the international stage.

“Now, in the five years since the Taliban returned to power in Afghanistan, women have been banned from all organised sport.”

A Proud Moment for Afghanistan

46:23 to 46:56

Celebrating the significance of representing Afghanistan in international football.

“After years in exile, simply wearing their country's colours again is a victory.”
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0:04Hello and welcome to NewsHour from the BBC World Service. We're coming to you live from London. I'm James Menendez. And coming up a little later, we'll have a story about a vaccine that doesn't need to be stored in a fridge. Also, Afghanistan's women's soccer players get FIFA's approval to represent their country despite a ban from the Taliban. We want to prove that we are still here. We're still fighting for the rice that you took away from us. One, two, three, Afghanistan! More on that story coming up in about 40 minutes. But we are going to begin with the war in Ukraine. Russia's attacks continue unabated.

0:43It says it's targeting energy and transport facilities, but civilians continue to bear the brunt with 11 people killed today and one city, Kherson, suffering a complete electricity blackout. However, it's Ukraine's response we're going to focus on today and in particular its attacks on Russian oil refineries. Two were hit today, according to Kiev, including one of the largest in Russia, the Slavneft Janos refinery near Yaroslav, hundreds of kilometres from the Ukrainian border.

1:22That's footage posted by a resident of Yaroslav that the BBC has verified. Huge clouds of black smoke seen covering the city. No casualties were reported. But those fires are a highly visible reminder to Russians of the war, as is the knock-on impact on fuel supplies. There have been shortages reported in many regions of Russia over the past few weeks. Tatyana Mitrova is a leading expert on Russia's energy sector. She's now a fellow at Columbia University's Center on Global Energy Policy. She began by telling me how extensive the damage to Russia's oil infrastructure was. In the end of June, beginning of July, it was about 30 % or even slightly more of Russian refining capacity, which was out completely.

2:11It is incredible, and it resulted in the quite severe fuel crisis in Russia. Ukraine actually switched its attacks from refineries to the inventories of the marketplaces, wild berries and the others. And there was like a pause until beginning of August in these refinery attacks, which allowed Russian government to recover the situation. But right now, during the past couple of days, these attacks on refineries are restarted again. So it's yet to be seen what will be the next wave damage, but it's taking place again. I mean, is some of that capacity quick to repair or will some of it take several months to repair, do you think?

3:02It depends on specific refinery and specific unit damaged. During the last wave, Ukraine was actually targeting mainly most expensive and hot to recover assets, like secondary treatment installations, which take up to half a year to replace. In certain cases, they've missed the target and damaged just quite simple primary refining units, which can be replaced quite quickly. This is exactly what Russian oil companies were doing during the last month, and that allowed to reduce the shortage. But generally speaking, I think the full recovery is possible only by the end of the year, given that there are no new attacks, which is not the fact.

3:54Yeah. And what does that all mean in economic terms, given that the oil industry is the mainstay of the Russian economy? The economic damage is not that substantial because Russia has actually redirected crude oil, which was historically going to refineries and then sold, exported as refined petroleum products. Now Russia is just selling this crude at the market. And as you know, global prices for oil are still rather high due to the Ormus crisis. So in terms of budget revenues, the losses are not that substantial. Where the real damage is coming from is mainly domestic shortage of the refined products, which means, first of all, social dissatisfaction because of all these long queues at the pump stations.

4:51Even if you manage to get the fuel, you have to pay more. So it is speeding up inflation. It is really affecting tourism, all the deliveries, all the container shipments and so on. So it has much more profound effect on the domestic economy, but not really such a big impact on the budget revenues for the oil exports. But the impact on the refining capacity, as I understand it, has meant that Russia has started to import some of its gasoline from India, which seems extraordinary for a major producer. Yes, you are right. In the end of June, Russia began to import gasoline and even diesel from India, from the Rosneft refineries there, from Belarus increasingly, from Kazakhstan, from the other post-Soviet countries.

5:47There were even rumours about buying jet fuel in Japan. Finally, Japan banned those exports. But indeed, Russia turned out from net exporter to net importer of the petroleum products. And that was Dr. Tatyana Mitrova there. Well, in the latest attacks today, Ukraine said that it also struck two military patrol boats and two Shadow Fleet oil tankers in the Black Sea. Russia sedated it to cargo ships in the port of Odessa. Indeed, over the last month, there's been a dramatic increase in the number of attacks on shipping by both sides. Communities in the Odessa region around the port have also been struck by large numbers of Russian drones and missiles.

6:31Our diplomatic correspondent, Paul Adams, has been granted rare access to the Ukrainian Navy on a mission through the dangerous waters off Odessa. And he sent us this report. We're going on patrol with the Ukrainian Navy out into waters made increasingly dangerous by Russian attacks in a part of the country where a drone or ballistic missile can arrive with little warning. Everyone is focused, on alert. They fire their guns every day. This morning it looks deceptively calm. With its guns, its netting and some of the other equipment on board, this vessel can look after itself more or less. But what it can't do is to stop Russia attacking civilian ships coming in and out of Ukraine's ports.

7:18Those attacks are increasing, and it's a major problem. There's a war out at sea. Russia and Ukraine hitting each other's ships, hundreds of them. Normally, all of them are crowded by vessels. Now you can see how many vessels. All we can see moving are a couple of tugboats, nothing else. No, it's not so. Nothing else. I'm being shown round one of Ukraine's biggest Black Sea ports. For security reasons, I'm not allowed to say which. And I'm going to call my guide, Dmitry. It's not his real name. He's worked here for 20 years. The port is virtually empty. Dmitry's never seen it like this. Officially, ports are not closed, but vessels are not coming.

8:04They are scared of being hit like it was this morning in a disabee. Starting July, they hit trade vessels as a primary target. Why do you think this changed? It's better to ask them, because the main thing, they want to make a blockade of the Ukrainian ports because of the economy. Yeah, this is a really quite strange experience, driving under these enormous gantries and cranes and the pipes and the buckets and everything that you need for a busy port, and none of it, none of it is working. There is a huge problem with people getting killed. Andrei Stavnica is the co-owner and CEO of TIS, one of Ukraine's private port operators.

8:55To my understanding, Paul, Russians are not targeting the vessels. They are targeting people. They're targeting crew. One question that keeps going through my head is, the Russians backed out of the grain deal, basically, what, three years ago? Why is it only now that they have decided to hit shipping? I think this is happening because we hit their oil supply and petrol supply vessels. And right now we're trying to cut off Crimea from any petrol supplies and we've hit quite a few vessels. So that's probably a return gesture. So you think it is revenge? Absolutely.

9:33At the offices of Ukraine's Transport Workers Union, I meet Svetlana, a warehouse shift manager at Odessa's main port. She's limping, fragments of a Russian ballistic missile still stuck in her leg and back following an explosion at the port a year ago. She fights back tears as she talks, and her hands shake as she describes what life is like now. Oh, it's very difficult. A lot of sirens, a lot of drones, a lot of hits. And for morale, it's even more difficult. People are very tense. What can I say? Look at my hands. Back at Dimitro's port, the air raid siren sounds.

10:24We head for the nearest bomb shelter, soon joined by port workers, all scanning their phones for updates. Is that the drone or is that a Ukrainian air force? That's the drone.

10:41Okay. Yeah, okay.

10:46So, you can feel by yourself how does it look working during the war? Yes. on the port. Unfortunately, it became typical for our wife. We're told that two jet-powered drones landed in the area, so we go looking for the scene of one of the explosions. Eventually, several miles from the port, we find 83-year-old Andrei Dudik surveying the shattered ruins of his house and garden. I am 83 years old and I have a habit around this time in the middle of the day after 12 to have a rest. So I went to have some rest on my bed. It's been just five hours since the drone interrupted his afternoon nap. Somehow he escaped without a scratch.

11:40And I was planning what I would do after my lunch, but now I understand what I will be doing. You seem to have a sense of humour about this whole incident.

11:57Yes, this is true. So you think that you are the accidental victim of Russia's attacks on the ports? Exactly. I will not forget this.

12:17That report by the BBC's diplomatic correspondent Paul Adams from Ukraine's Black Sea coast on that dramatic increase in the number of attacks on shipping along the coast and, as we heard just there, on communities around the ports. Incidentally, you can see more of Paul Adams' trip to Odessa if you search on the BBC News YouTube channel. You're listening to News Air from the BBC World Service.

12:57Still to come, why Amanda Knox, the American woman accused of murdering her British flatmate two decades ago, is taking to stand-up comedy to tell her story. I'm not the first person to invent using comedy to talk about traumatic and difficult material. and I think that again I would hope that people will honestly engage with my work and recognize like the deep heart and sensitivity that I bring to it as I tell a very personal story through a comedic lens. More from Amanda Knox in about half an hour. Our main headlines at the moment scientists in the U.S. say they've successfully used artificial intelligence to design completely new viruses and the U.S.

13:39State Department has announced further sanctions against Cuba targeting its armed supplies and high-ranking military officers.

13:54This is James Menendez with NewsHour live from the BBC. During the pandemic in the United States, one man's face, name and voice became very well known. What we really need is to get the test available in venues that people could easily access, it is very likely we will have that within the next week or so. That's Anthony Fauci speaking in 2020, the country's leading expert on infectious diseases who became President Biden's chief medical advisor during COVID. Well, today, a Senate committee voted to hold him in contempt after he refused to answer questions last month about his handling of the pandemic and whether he tried to cover up its origins.

14:36Dr. Fauci invoked his constitutional right to silence. More than 100 times, in fact, arguing that his principal accuser, the Republican Senator Rand Paul, was trying to put him behind bars. On the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. We have issued letters to a number of former FDA officials to come in for transcribed interviews. You will be getting a letter today asking for a volunteer transcribed interview. So I'd be asking, will you comply or will I have to subpoena you? On the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.

15:17Expecting subpoena. Thank you. And on it went. Well, the BBC's Bernd de Boosman is in Washington, D.C. So what does today's vote mean for Dr. Fauci? Could he be prosecuted? Well, in theory, yes. In normal times, This would then go to a full Senate vote in which 60 votes would be required to refer this to the Justice Department. But at the moment, there's only 53 Republican senators out of the 100. So the man leading this effort, Rand Paul, has said he plans to refer it directly to the Justice Department. Now, it's up to them whether they then pursue prosecution against Dr. Fauci. This would be a misdemeanor crime with fines and potentially jail time if convicted.

16:02But that's extremely rare. And of course, a grand jury would have to be gathered to make that determination. And it's been extremely rare in the past. In the previous administration, former Trump adviser Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro, who's now in the administration, they both were convicted of this same crime. and went to prison for several months. But before that, it had been since the 1980s since that had happened. So that just gives an idea of how rare that would be. It's quite an intriguing case, isn't it? Because I mean, doesn't Dr. Fauci have a right to silence? And also, wasn't he given a preemptive pardon by Joe Biden?

16:47He was. On Joe Biden's very last day in office in January of last year, he gave him a preemptive pardon for anything that took place between 2014 and that date in 2025. So including all the pandemic. Now, what it doesn't cover would be anything that happened after that. So in theory, if he were to be charged with contempt of Congress, that happened after that period. He could also still face state and local charges. And Florida, for one, has already announced that it's doing its own separate investigation into his handling of the pandemic. What about the bigger picture in all this? I mean, how much of a live issue is the pandemic, the way it was handled, and in particular, Dr.

17:27Fauci's handling? I mean, how much of an issue is that for Americans right now? It's still very much an emotive issue for Americans. And I think the way people feel about Dr. Fauci broadly falls along kind of very partisan lines. Now, the initial hearing that took place last week in which he declined to answer questions more than 100 times, that was really looking into the origins of the pandemic. Rand Paul believes that the pandemic originated from a lab leak in Wuhan that he says was funded by the U.S. But also many of the other lawmakers on Capitol Hill, they still very much feel aggrieved by the social distancing, by the closure of businesses and schools, thinking that that has ultimately had a much larger impact than the disease itself.

18:16So it's still something that's very much in the public eye. And President Trump himself has criticized Fauci many times since returning to the White House, even though Fauci no longer has any sort of role in the U.S. public health system. And that was the BBC's Bernda Boosman in Washington, D.C., on that decision by that Senate committee to hold Dr. Anthony Fauci in contempt of their committee.

18:45while staying with medical matters given how vastly important and beneficial vaccines are and the huge difference that they've made to billions around the world it is remarkable that about half of all vaccines are actually wasted each year either after they become too cold freezing in other words or after becoming too hot now though british scientists say that for the first time they've successfully trialled vaccines that don't need to be refrigerated. Professor Saul Faust is director of the NIHR clinical research facility in the UK, which has been testing this new fridge-free approach. And he's been speaking to NewsHouse Tim Franks.

19:24The small British company that have developed this, the guy who invented it, Bruce Roser, was originally a researcher in Cambridge, and then he moved universities. But he discovered that you could use sugar called trehalose that is the same sugar found in plants in the desert in the southern United States. And the plant used the sugar to completely dehydrate themselves in times of drought, and then when it rains, rehydrate themselves. And what Bruce and his colleague discovered was that they're able to do that for vaccines and medicines. And it's obviously a long time then to develop a process that can be commercialised and convince funding agencies to give you the money to do the trials and so on, because it's such a change in the way of thinking, how to manufacture.

20:09Essentially, it's turning what is initially developed as a liquid into, what, a powder that is then rehydrated? Yeah, exactly. So it takes an existing liquid vaccine that would otherwise have to go in the fridge and simply dehydrates it with a sugar, a naturally occurring sugar, and then it turns into a powder. And then when it gets to the patient or the member of the public who's having their vaccine, wherever they are, simply has to be rehydrated with water for injections that people will see on the sides in their GP or in a hospital. Right, and the vaccine that's been trialled so far, and I realise it's early days, but it's against which disease?

20:43So the vaccine that they've tested so far is against diphtheria and tetanus. So it's an existing vaccine that's used in different places around the world. We did a trial of 60 people, gave 20 people the fridge-free version, 20 people the original vaccine, and 20 people a different tetanus and diphtheria vaccine. and the results were almost identical. The side effect profile and the immune responses for the vaccine and its own version, if you like, the original version that was in the fridge, were almost identical. And then what we call the positive control, the other tetanus diphtheria one, performed the same way.

21:19I'm sure the next step is to expand the trial for this particular vaccine. You've shown that, at least tentatively, that it's safe and effective. Is there a possibility, do you think, of expanding this to vaccines against other diseases or even other types of medicine? Very much so. So it should work against most of the protein vaccine, the adjuvanted vaccines, not yet mRNA, because that's a bit more complicated, and not yet some of the live vaccines. But for the majority of vaccines we use globally, the process would work. And the company is already working with other companies to try and thermostabilise small medicines for oncology, so for cancer and other anti-infective products as well as other vaccines.

22:02So the answer is yes. The potential is, I suppose, limitless. That will help us not just in the UK where we could maybe give people medicines at home or in care homes, but also globally. That was Professor Saul Faust on those vaccines that only need to be kept in a fridge. Just a story that's just happened in the past 10 or 15 minutes. It's my screens above me filled with President Trump in the White House because he's just signed an executive order curbing what's known as birthright tourism. The practice of foreign nationals traveling to the U.S. to give birth on American soil in order to get citizenship.

22:42As I say, President Trump just signed that order in the past few minutes. You're listening to NewsHour. Do stay with us. Lots more coming.

22:53Welcome back to NewsHour. Myanmar's military ruler Ming-ong Hlai has been an international pariah because of the coup that brought him to power five years ago in the civil war that followed. But earlier today, the red carpet was rolled out for him in neighbouring Thailand.

23:16Human rights groups have criticised the visit as legitimising a brutal military regime. However, Thailand says it needs to re-engage with its neighbour to address problems along the border. And that will be regarded by Myanmar as a major diplomatic victory, says our South East Asia correspondent Jonathan Het. This man's been an international pariah. And while he puts up a very defiant front in insisting that Myanmar will go its own way, he craves international respectability. Thailand's not the world's biggest country, but it is a core founder member of ASEAN, the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, of which Myanmar is a member and which has barred him from any meetings ever since the coup because he made a promise five years ago that he would scale down conflict to negotiate with the opposition and reneged on it immediately.

24:07And other Southeast Asian countries have held the line saying, we cannot fully engage with this guy. They have some relations. We cannot bring him in from the cold until we see significant moves to ease the repression, end the civil war, talk to the opposition. But Thailand has cracked, and there's no doubt about it. The Thais say they're doing what they call calibrated re-engagement, but looking at that ceremony this morning, it didn't look very calibrated to me. He got full honours, and there was a big military ban, there was an honour guard, lots of meetings with top Thai officials, and a speech at the end basically saying full cooperation, business as usual, lots of security cooperation.

24:43They say, look, unlike other ASEAN members, they have a two and a half thousand kilometer border. We've got scam centers. We've got wars going on. We've got refugees coming across transnational crime of all kinds. We have to talk to Myanmar in a way that other Southeast Asian countries like Indonesia, which are a long way away, don't. That's a little disingenuous because most of those problems are happening in areas controlled by warlords or ethnic insurgent armies where the Myanmar government doesn't have much control. So it's not going to be able to do much to solve the problems that Thailand is getting coming over its border.

25:16I think more of it is about the second point they won't acknowledge, but I think it's there. The fact is that Min Hong Line's recovery from near defeat two years ago, when his soldiers were in retreat and insurgent groups were moving forward, that recovery is down to the full support from China. China made a decision two years ago that it did not want to see a collapse of the military regime. It feared chaos and it threw its full weight behind Min Hong Line. And his military has recovered largely as a result of that support. Well, if you've got China backing governments, you know it's not going anywhere.

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25:47And I think the Thais feel if we don't get in there, we'll lose influence to China. You know, ultimately, this military government's going nowhere. There are also plenty of vested interests in Thailand that want better relations with Myanmar. Sadly, all those people who took up arms hoping for a revolution are now feeling very bereft as though nobody cares about their issues. And that was Jonathan Head, our Southeast Asia correspondent, speaking to us from Thailand.

26:20This is the BBC World Service in London. You're listening to NewsHour and I'm James Menendez. Let's turn to America's war against Iran now because in the past couple of days, the price of oil has fallen and US stock markets have shot up on reports of a possible agreement to reopen the Strait of Hormuz to shipping. The details are still fairly thin. It seems to involve Iran overseeing its side of the waterway while Oman becomes responsible for the other. Washington, though, is still insisting on, quote, no impediments, according to a US official who briefed the BBC today. No approvals or permissions and no tolls or charges, they told us.

27:00Well, Frank Gardner is our security correspondent. So do we have any idea of how this deal might work? Yes, I think we do. I mean, the version that's being reported and that's been around for a couple of days now is that with the Strait of Hormuz, You obviously need traffic that comes in one way and goes out the other so they don't crash into each other. And that's been the system since 1968. It's called the traffic separation scheme. And the Iran-Oman deal is broadly similar to that, except that under this deal, what it looks like is that Iran will retain quite a lot of control, possibly even sovereignty, over the areas through which the northern traffic, the inbound traffic to the Gulf will come.

27:46and so all shipping would have to effectively hug Iran's coast and possibly be stopped, inspected and charge some kind of a fee while outbound traffic would hug the Omani coast and not be subject to any kind of Iranian control or at least Iran would have a very light control over it. It's extremely unlikely that this scheme is going to meet with the approval of Donald Trump. If it does, it's impossible for him to portray that as any kind of a victory. It's a far worse situation for the Gulf states and for shipping generally than it was on February the 27th before he and Netanyahu began their war, their attack on Iran.

28:32and it certainly wouldn't be freedom of navigation, but it's probably the best chance yet to end this war. It's probably the most practical off-ramp, but it's not going to please anybody except possibly the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps in Iran. And leaves the Strait of Hormuz, presumably, vulnerable to disruption in the future. Yes, I mean, the statements coming out of Iran's foreign ministry are that this deal is close. They need it to not be subject to, as they put it, third-party interference, i.e. a veto by the United States. And they've also said that it doesn't guarantee the security of ships in the region.

29:16So we've still got a way to go yet. This deal on its own isn't going to resolve this. But look, this whole conflict really since June has become a kind of quagmire, a quicksand for the Americans, for Donald Trump. They didn't seem to have a plan B. You know, plan A was decapitate the regime, carry out massive strikes that hit the Iranians on the coast, deal them shock and awe, and the whole Islamic Republic system will just simply implode, weakened as it was by those weeks of protest in December and January. Well, that didn't happen. They have survived 40 days of intensive airstrikes plus intermittent airstrikes since then.

30:03And the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, hideous as they are in their behavior towards their own people, seem to be more firmly embedded than ever before. So Donald Trump needs an off-ramp to this. Diplomacy hasn't so far worked. Hitting them harder and harder hasn't worked. So some kind of a deal with a country like Oman, which is half in the Western camp, half in the Iranian camp, might possibly be the best deal, the only deal that's available to him to de-escalate this and get out of this mess. That was our security correspondent Frank Gardner. Well, recent reports have suggested that the war against Iran and America's support for Ukraine, too, have severely depleted its stocks of some high-tech weapons.

30:48It's estimated that the US fired more than 850 Tomahawks and used more than 1 ,000 anti-missile systems, such as Patriots, in the first month of the war alone. The shortage is said to be causing tension between President Trump and his Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth. The Washington Post is reporting that Mr Trump's frustration over the lack of munitions boiled over into open disagreement on the sidelines of a Cabinet meeting last week, something the White House has strenuously denied. I've been talking to Darren Selnyk, who's a former deputy chief of staff, to Secretary Hegseth, and I asked him first how serious the shortage was.

31:26We have really depleted between what we've sent to Ukraine in the past and what we've been doing with Iran, this consistent on-again, off-again war. I think we significantly depleted. How much depleted? That is probably, I would assume, classified. but the fact that there's media reports, the fact that there are leaks from the Pentagon would show that we cannot afford to give to anybody else because you just cannot replace those like going to the grocery store and buying something or going to the hardware store. These take tons, can take a year, two years to replenish and I know the Pentagon is working hard and doing contracts replenishing but I would say our stocks are low, probably dangerously low, way below that they should be.

32:12at this point. Yeah, President Trump says large amounts are being manufactured. I mean, is that true? Do you think those replacements are already in the pipeline? Or is it not got to that stage yet? I mean, there've been some reports that, you know, contracts haven't even been signed because there's worries about, you know, where the money's going to come from, whether Congress is going to approve those budgets? Well, I'm sure there are a certain amount of contracts that have been signed and production, there's normal production, and they're ramping up production. I know that's what the president wants.

32:44He wants to not only replenish our supplies, but go above. That takes time. You cannot build these missiles in a week or a month. These missiles can take a year or two years to fully ramp up and fully get that production going. But it simply takes time. It's not going to get solved in a week or even a month or two. And that requires patience. You mentioned media reports at the beginning. Is it likely, do you think, that President Trump lost patience with Secretary Hegseth and vented at him at that meeting at Camp David? I mean, does that seem plausible to you? It seems very plausible. I mean, we've been hearing through unofficial channels for months that the president is not getting the most up-to-date information.

33:29You know, one thing about President Trump, he's the CEO president, and you can't run an operation if you don't have the actual best information. So sugarcoding to the president is a bad idea. Tell him what's really going on. Tell him what the actual levels are. Tell him what success and victory or defeat is and then let him make the decision. But you do not, and I had worked in the White House and Trump won, you do not ever want to be dishonest with the president or be afraid to give him bad news because you're just going to make it worse for the country and for yourself later on. And there are wider questions, aren't there?

34:01I mean, tactical and strategic questions for the military because of this? I mean, is it likely that the current shortage is affecting some of those tactical decisions, particularly over Iran? And again, those reports that a major assault was stopped because there weren't the weapons to carry it out? In terms of what was started and stopped, that's classified. But what I can tell you is, does it affect the overall operation in which you can do and which you may do? And did it possibly have an impact? Absolutely. It's not just the missiles themselves. It's the overall readiness. And that means there are troops that have to go ahead and deploy in these missions and operate these systems.

34:43They're not machines. You can only use them for such a long time before they wear out. So readiness levels, extended operations are low. So it's a combination of, do you have the equipment? Do you have the missiles? But do you actually have enough trained people that are not exhausted to actually operate these systems? And it's clearly having an impact on Ukraine and its ability to defend itself against Russian attacks, isn't it? Well, absolutely. I mean, the latest strikes were 28 missiles went unintercepted. The Ukrainians are doing a fantastic job for the size and the catch up in the drone warfare.

35:21But I think the NATO allies need to, since they're not directly in the war and not using these missiles, They need to go ahead and get as much to Ukraine as possible. But I think a longer term fix for Ukraine is for the United States to help them manufacture some version of the Patriot missiles, intercepted missiles themselves. The more that Ukraine can ramp up its own production, the better off it will be. That's a sensitive issue because of the way the Patriots design and the chip and stuff like that. But I think there are ways to do that to give them a version, may not be quite as good as United States, but a version that will do the job.

35:58And I think that's going to have to be part of the answer. That was Darren Selnick, who's a former Deputy Chief of Staff to the US Secretary of Defence, Pete Hegseth.

36:17Yeah, something rather remarkable and inspiring. A 97-year-old British woman has successfully broken her own world record to become the oldest person to complete a wing walk where essentially you're strapped to the top of a biplane as it ducks and dives in the sky. Betty Bromage started doing the stunts about a decade ago to raise money for charity. Steve Nibbs has been to meet her and watch her in action.

36:44Betty's back, 97 years young and taking to the skies again. I just get bored with life otherwise. When you get old, you can't go here, you can't do this, you can't drive, you can't see, I can't see very well. And I get a bit frustrated, so I want to do the things that I can do. Up in the air, Betty's at home, inner element. On the ground, her friends and neighbours from her retirement village in Cheltenham watch on nervously. Go, Betty! What was it like watching her doing those loopy loops in there? Awful. I was here four years ago. Awful. Makes you want to cry, but yeah, she got on fantastic.

37:24Yeah, so proud of her. It's incredible. I mean, she's partially sighted, in fact, almost blind. And yet she can do this. This isn't the first time she's done something like this, but at her age, it's just amazing, isn't it? So, no, she's a wonder. Betty started all this ten years ago at the age of 87. She's since abseiled down a tower in Cheltenham and took on a zip wire in Snowdonia. and today she pushed the envelope even further, asking the pilot to throw in a barrel roll.

37:56She just explains to me inside that it's something that she really is keen to do, even at her age, so I just think it's absolutely fantastic and for me it's such a privilege to be able to do that. All of this was done to raise money for the stroke unit in Cheltenham. They helped Betty when she had a stroke last year. So kind to me and straight away the treatment I got it affects my words i go to say a word and it doesn't always come out but the rest of me i'm fit as a bit well for a 97 year old today the staff sent her a good luck message grateful for the support thank you betty and good luck from the strong team back on the ground betty took it all in her stride with confirmation that she broke her own world record yet again is the oldest female wing walker.

38:48And that was Steve Nibs reporting there about the latest adventures of Betty Bromage, hoping to become that first centenarian in three years' time, if she can, to complete that wing walk. You're listening to News Air from the BBC World Service.

39:16This is James Menendez with News Out Live from the BBC. Now, comedy often draws its humour from its ability to offend or provoke. Indeed, for some, that's the whole point. But a new show at the Edinburgh Festival Fringe is proving too much for some. The stand-up in question is Amanda Knox, the woman who was once accused of murdering her flatmate, Meredith Kircher, in Italy back in 2007. She spent four years in jail for her part in the crime, before a long series of appeals eventually led to a retrial and her acquittal. The saga attracted huge publicity, making headlines around the world. And Knox's show draws on those experiences.

39:54Meredith Kirch's sister, Stephanie, told the BBC that's not appropriate. Whilst I appreciate comedy is there to push the boundaries, it very much normalises and trivialises violence against women, and Meredith in particular. It's not a generic topic. it's targeting an individual traumatic case and an individual person and family. There's also a petition against the show which starts tomorrow, signed by about 2 ,500 people. Its title, Cartwheel, apparently references a story that once claimed Knox did cartwheels in the police station after her flatmate's death. BBC's Scotland Arts correspondent is Pauline McLean.

40:33She's been talking to Amanda Knox in Edinburgh and she asked her to explain her decision to put on the show. I'm not the first person to invent using comedy to talk about traumatic and difficult material and I think that again I would hope that people will honestly engage with my work and recognize like the deep heart and sensitivity that I bring to it as I tell a very personal story through a comedic lens yeah she also says like what if it was your sister or your daughter that you are. Well, the interesting irony of that is like a huge motivation for me doing this show is my daughter. Like this is what that show is about.

41:13It's about how the world is unsafe and unfair towards women. And what does it mean to raise a daughter in that world knowing how bad it can be? Like I've seen how bad I've lived, how bad it can be. And therefore, like if anything, I think that, again, if they saw my show, they would recognise that. Yeah. I mean, you've always talked in the past that you've not had any particular direct contact with the family. If they did, would you consider adapting the show or changing the way you performed it? Well, like if they were to come to me... If they approached you and said, well, actually, we've now seen the show.

41:52And, you know, if they were to engage with you rather than just saying we heard... oh I mean I think that would be incredible I would love to have like an honest and open conversation with them, I always have I've never had that opportunity and I've reached out requesting that and it's not been reciprocated So instead of cancelling the show or calling to cancel it, maybe the idea would be to see it, to understand it? Yeah, yeah and you know to see me for who I really am instead of the idea of me that was delivered to them by people with bad intent. On the one hand I'm starting to reclaiming a part of myself that was stolen from me in a big way like the opportunity to be a creative person was taken away from me when people vilified me and shamed me into silence and disappearing and so it's a part like reclaiming that part of me and a part of it is growing and learning as a performer and making friends that's what I'm really hoping for Amanda Knox talking there to the BBC's Pauline McLean.

42:56Now, in the five years since the Taliban returned to power in Afghanistan, women have been banned from all organised sport. But against the odds, Afghanistan's women footballers, now scattered across the world, have found a way back onto the international stage after FIFA changed its rules, allowing them to officially represent Afghanistan. The BBC's Majouba Naurusi followed their journey as they travelled to New Zealand for their first training camp and match since the historic rule change.

43:28A song for Afghanistan, a team reunited, sang by players who have travelled from across the world for two friendlies in Oakland against the Cook Islands. We want Afghanistan to be free and we want Afghan girls and women to be free, to be able to choose who they want to be. Forced into exile after the Taliban retook control of Afghanistan five years ago, Najma and her teammates were scattered around the world. Now they are back together, first since FIFA allowed Afghanistan's team in exile back into international football. Good. Chin up just a bit. You're defiant, OK? As the players are presented with their matchday kit, Najma, who now lives in Dancaster, reflects on the last five years.

44:28We are getting older and older and we haven't got a new generation that is very concerning for the new generation. We want to be there wrong with us and we want the younger girls to look up at us and they were like, they did it, we want to do it as well. We want to keep their dreams alive. Good, nice and strong. I was bullied throughout high school and football gave me the confidence to be who I am today and to be able to speak loud. Morsal, who has settled in Australia, has painted her nails with various pictures. I wanted to use this platform to advocate for the women of Afghanistan who haven't been allowed to study for the past five years.

45:04obviously the book, the rose who is a representation of women, and the flags, and the date, August 15th, the date that I've gone to St. Clair. In August 2021, the airport was not like an airport. The first gate when I went with my mum, they put a gun towards me, it was like, where's your man? I was panicking and my mother said that, oh, our men made it inside the airport, we left outside and we got separated. So she handled the situation. Due to my dad's disability, I couldn't take him through that crowd with me and my mum had to stay back with him. Having won the chance to represent Afghanistan, for many of the players, football has become more than a game.

45:49A lot of my friends and family is back home and I'm missing them every single day. There is nothing I can do except playing football and using the football as the biggest platform with the media to be their voices. It is finally match day. The aim is to rebuild Afghanistan's team in exile and to compete for a place at the 2028 Olympic Games. Afghanistan lost both matches to the Cook Islands. Girls, I'm so proud of our young players who played today. After years in exile, simply wearing their country's colours again is a victory. I will be proud of the team and proud of myself that I was part of the journey and we made the history by being the first football team to get our recognition without the approval of the Taliban.

46:43We don't know when we're going to see each other again, but it's just always amazing to have the second family. One, two, three, Afghanistan! That report by the BBC's Majuba Nowruzian. And that brings us to the end of this edition of News Out. From me and the rest of the team, thanks so much for listening. Until the next time, bye-bye.

From the publisher

Ukraine hits Russian oil refineries as Russa retaliates with ballistic missiles. Also in the programme: Is the US running dangerously low on hi-tech munitions? And the 97-year-old American woman daredevil flying on wings.

(Photo: A man looking at a mobile charging point in Crimea on the Black Sea as power outages continue as a result of strikes. Credit: Reuters)

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