In short
The BBC NewsHour episode leads with the US announcing a new “economic onslaught” against Iran, framing it as severing Iran’s financial links worldwide to pressure Tehran and support ceasefire efforts. It also covers: Imran Khan’s prison health and medical access (cricket players’ letter), a rare UK breeding success for Montague’s harrier, a Reno wildfire evacuation, Canada-US tariff escalation, UK/Ukraine Storm Shadow missile technology, Taliban governance in Afghanistan, and plastic-to-cookie research.
Guests and backgrounds
Esfandiar Batmanghelich, CEO of the Borsan Bazaar Foundation; writes on Iran’s economy and sanctions. Tom Bateman, BBC State Department correspondent in Washington. Elizabeth Braw, Atlantic Council (Scowcroft Centre) on strategy/security. David Gower, former England cricket captain. Justin Rollat, BBC climate editor. Shaima Khalil, BBC correspondent in Los Angeles. Christophe Bondy, former Canadian trade negotiator. Kawoon Hamush, BBC reporter in Afghanistan. Mary Roloff, Forbes magazine.
Key claims
US measures lack concrete scale; sanctions aim to deny Iran resources and pressure ordinary Iranians; Iran may respond with further military escalation rather than talks. Gower doubts impartiality of prison medical care. RSPB satellite tags will reveal harrier migration routes. Wildfire caused by human activity; containment at zero. Canada rejects US auto/trade demands. Storm Shadow is not a “massive game changer” but can cripple targets. Taliban restrict women via sharia enforcement.
Notable examples
US sanctions targeting ballistic missile, cyber warfare, and oil-money brokers/ships; Imran Khan’s Supreme Court hospital order; two Montague’s harrier nests and satellite tags; 42,000 Reno evacuees; Canada’s refusal over truck/labeling demands; Storm Shadow blueprint for Ukraine; Afghanistan divorce case and Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid; NASA-linked microbes turning plastic into protein-rich cookies.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOUS Economic Strategy Against Iran
0:55 to 2:10
Discussion on the US's military and economic strategy targeting Iran, including recent actions and rhetoric.
“Later this hour, we'll bring you a special report from Afghanistan, where our reporter gained access inside a family court operated by the Taliban.”
Details of New Economic Measures
2:10 to 3:01
Overview of the new economic measures announced by US Treasury Secretary and their intended impact.
“Treasury Secretary Scott Besant unveiled a new wave of economic measures aimed at severing Iran's links with the global economy.”
Analysis of Sanctions Impact
3:01 to 5:46
In-depth analysis of the potential effects of the new sanctions on Iran and its international relations.
“Well, Scott Besson said other countries, as we heard there, would be put under pressure to cut economic ties with Iran, and those that did not comply would share its isolation.”
Expert Insight on Economic Warfare
5:46 to 8:07
Expert commentary on the effectiveness and implications of the US's economic warfare strategy against Iran.
“And how does this all play into that wider quest for a lasting ceasefire?”
Iran's Response to US Sanctions
8:07 to 13:07
Exploration of Iran's potential responses to the renewed US sanctions and implications for negotiations.
“And Secretary Besant did not, in fact, set out a very clear goal other than trying to deny Iran financial resources.”
Ongoing Coverage and Other News
13:07 to 14:00
Transition to other news stories, including reactions from Iran and updates on various global issues.
“It seems they wish to suffer yet another defeat.”
Concerns for Imran Khan's Health
14:55 to 19:30
Discussion on the treatment of Pakistan's ex-Prime Minister Imran Khan.
“In their heyday, they were rivals on the pitch.”
Montague's Harrier Conservation Efforts
19:30 to 23:25
An overview of the Montague's harrier conservation and its unique breeding habits.
“That's former England captain David Gower there.”
Wildfires in Reno: Evacuations and Updates
24:34 to 28:00
Report on the ongoing wildfire situation in Reno, Nevada, and its impact on residents.
“Tens of thousands of people in the US city of Reno in the state of Nevada have been told to leave their homes immediately as a large wildfire reaches the outskirts of the city.”
US-Canada Trade Tensions Escalate
28:15 to 29:30
An overview of the escalating tariff war between the US and Canada.
“as their tariff war continues to escalate.”
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Analysis with Christophe Bondy
29:30 to 34:21
Former trade negotiator Christophe Bondy discusses the implications of US tariffs and Canada’s response.
“Well, Christophe Bondi is a former Canadian trade negotiator.”
Ukraine's Independence Commemoration
34:21 to 35:34
Coverage of Ukraine's independence anniversary and President Zelensky's commemorations.
“That's Christophe Bondy, a former Canadian trade negotiator.”
UK's Military Support to Ukraine
35:34 to 36:47
Discussion on the UK's military support to Ukraine, including missile technology.
“I will take up the reins of the Coalition of the Willing alongside President Macron and Chancellor Mertz.”
Missile Technology and International Law
36:47 to 39:26
Elizabeth Braw explains the implications of missile technology transfer to Ukraine and international law.
“I've been speaking to Elizabeth Brawl from the Atlantic Council.”
Kremlin's Response to UK Support
39:26 to 40:29
Analyzing the Kremlin's threats and reactions to UK's support for Ukraine.
“In terms of a time frame, how quickly could these Ukrainian made missiles actually enter the conflict?”
Inside Taliban-controlled Afghanistan
41:08 to 42:00
The BBC reports on life under the Taliban in Afghanistan, focusing on a divorce case.
“The BBC World Service has gained rare access inside Afghanistan under the Taliban.”
Women Under Taliban Rule: Struggles for Divorce
42:00 to 45:00
Explore the challenges faced by women seeking divorce under Taliban rule.
“to film some of his daily work, as he meets local people who come to him seeking resolutions to various problems.”
The Taliban's Claims on Women's Rights
45:00 to 45:50
Discussion with a Taliban spokesman about their promises regarding women's rights.
“In a lavish press center funded by the Americans for the previous government, we sit down with the public face of the Taliban, their spokesman known as Zabiullah Mujahid.”
Recycled Cookies: A Culinary Breakthrough
46:08 to 49:00
Discussion on the development of cookies made from recycled plastics.
“Researchers in the United States are working on that recipe They've engineered microbes which can break down discarded plastic bottles and crop waste and turn them into protein-rich cookies.”
Transcript
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0:30us. And then we'll be learning about Francis Galton and the racist, discredited pseudoscience of eugenics with Desiree Birch. We'll meet many medieval saints in their bone boxes with Rachel Parrott. So if that sounds like your sort of thing, listen to You're Dead to Me wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you. Bye.
0:54Hello and welcome to NewsHour from the BBC World Service, coming to you live from London I'm Rajini Vaidyanathan. Later this hour, we'll bring you a special report from Afghanistan, where our reporter gained access inside a family court operated by the Taliban. Also, we'll meet a very rare Montague's harrier, described as the aristocrats of the bird world. Easy, easy, easy. Here she is. God, they're beautiful birds, aren't they? Absolutely the best, yeah. And we'll talk about food.
1:33Nothing's off the table for the cookie monster, but would he go for a cookie made with recycled plastic? But first, it's been almost six months since the US and Israel first launched attacks on Iran. The military conflicts claimed many lives, but at the heart of America's war with Iran is economics. The continued wrangling over the Strait of Hormuz has impacted oil and gas prices and been a block to ceasefire efforts so far. America's been threatening to unleash the greatest financial offensive ever against Iran. And today it came. U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Besant unveiled a new wave of economic measures aimed at severing Iran's links with the global economy.
2:17In the Second World War, D-Day marked the historic beginning of a campaign with our allies to target and drive the enemy from its positions, including those in third countries. Today, in that same spirit, we are launching an economic onslaught against Iran's financial connections around the globe. Around the globe. Our objective is to sever every economic lifeline that sustains this tyrannical regime until Tehran stands alone. Well, if you think you've heard that before, then you're right, because of course this isn't the first time Washington's announced financial penalties on Tehran. Well, Scott Besson said other countries, as we heard there, would be put under pressure to cut economic ties with Iran, and those that did not comply would share its isolation.
3:11It is no longer acceptable to operate in the grey spaces of this conflict. Countries cannot claim they are blind to enabling this activity. Iran's enablers purchase, transport its petroleum. They facilitate the flow of its finances through exchange houses and free trade zones. They welcome Iran's flights and maintain registries on its behalf. They turn a blind eye to seaborne fuel transfers and overland transits. They condone illicit use of their banks, all the while concealing the extent of their complicity. Well, in response, Iran's chief negotiator, Mohammed Halibaf, has been posting on social media.
3:55He said the US is not in an economic position to further restrict its relations with other countries. Iran's trading partners have told us, both publicly and through private messages, that they attach no importance to these statements. So what impact will this latest wave of sanctions have? Our State Department correspondent in Washington's Tom Bateman. The press conference itself from Scott Besson, as you heard there, was a lot of very belligerent rhetoric, a lot of threats. And at the same time, the US Treasury sent out a document which outlined what was supposed to be the detail in this. And I have to say that, you know, although there are sanctions detailed in there, largely in sort of three parts.
4:39These are against any entities that help with Iran's ballistic missile programs. those that are said to have carried out cyber warfare on behalf of the Iranians and then about 60 individuals or brokers and ships as well that help get oil out of Iran and help get that money that's paid for it back into Iran there really isn't the kind of delivery on the scale of the threat that Scott Besson has said so you know a lot of analysts had looked at this and said if you start to see the Americans sanction big Chinese banks that they claim are helping facilitate the purchase of Iranian oil for China, then you have, you know, quite a new advance in terms of these threats of big sanctions being carried out.
5:24We haven't seen that today. And I think that's why Scott Besson was being questioned quite a bit to say, look, you know, you've made all these threats, you've called it D-Day, but D-Day was an invasion. It wasn't the threat of an invasion. Scott Besson really acknowledge that and say, well, look, you know, this is about putting the threat out there. If those countries don't do what we want and cut Iran off from their trade ties and their financial systems, then we will start to deliver this. And how does this all play into that wider quest for a lasting ceasefire? Well, I think it's intended by Mr.
5:54Trump to apply more pressure on Iran. And remember, you know, the economy is an absolute nightmare for ordinary Iranians. They've had massive devaluation of their currency. It's very difficult to buy basic groceries. Bread is extremely expensive. And, you know, the administration knows that. And they think that the more they apply pressure, the harder it becomes in the country en masse, that that may increase the internal pressure on the regime. and that you know there have been sort of nods to that in some of the things that scott bestner has been saying and writing over the last 24 hours but of course they've you know this is they've tried this for years now the two trump administrations so-called maximum pressure and then you know added to that with the war they launched on iran with the israelis which hasn't got mr trump where he wants so i think we're seeing him run out of options militarily so he's reverting back to maximum pressure so-called economically certainly the threat is a maximum pressure, but not actually delivering on it in terms of the announcement today.
6:58That's the BBC's Tom Bateman there. Well, as we heard there, Iran has been subject to US sanctions in various forms for years. So let's get a bit more detail about how different this latest wave is. Well, I've been speaking to Esfandir Batmanghelich. He's the chief executive officer of the Borsan Bazaar Foundation. He writes about the Iranian economy and sanctions. Well, I think Tom's assessment is correct. It was really striking how little substance there was in the announcement. I mean, if you compare, for example, to when the Biden administration announced economic warfare against Russia in the wake of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, in that announcement, you had a clear indication of what countries were joining the coalition to isolate Russia.
7:44You had clear timelines about when economic pressure would intensify on the country. You had specific measures that were being announced that really were perceived to add economic pressure on different sectors within the Russian economy. And finally, and I think most importantly, you had a very clear articulation of the goal of the economic pressure, which was in that instance to end the war. And Secretary Besant did not, in fact, set out a very clear goal other than trying to deny Iran financial resources. So I think Tom's view that, you know, the administration is running out of options and is falling back on an old playbook is a correct one.
8:24What did you make of his threat, though, to countries who have financial connections with Iran, you know, a threat to sever every economic tie with them? Well, the Secretary of Treasury answered it in the final question he would pose in the press conference, where someone asked him, well, why have you not announced more stringent measures today? And the Secretary responded, why would I want to blow up the global economy? And I think that's an admission. And it's a realization that each Treasury Secretary has arrived at, at various junctures of the U.S.'s increased reliance on sanctions over the last 20 years, that as you expand the use of these tools, you actually start to undermine the U.S.'s ability to act as the steward of the global economy.
9:14And so although the Trump administration is trying to, I think, strike fear into a number of countries that maintain economic ties with Iran for very strategic reasons, either for energy security or as part of managing their bilateral relationship and thereby trying to minimize escalation. escalation. At the end of the day, I think it will be very difficult for this administration to convince those countries that they need to take dramatic action, because in some sense, I believe those countries will call the administration's bluff and recognise that Trump will not be willing to take the kinds of measures that might undermine sort of the US's role in the global financial system.
9:58I mean, some of the countries we're talking about, China, Russia, India, Pakistan, Qatar, Turkey. The US has differing levels of closeness to that list. But in the end, that's what's tricky, isn't it? We haven't had any concrete measures naming any of those. That's right. Whether the country is an ally or an adversary, it poses a political challenge to try and compel them to do something they don't want to do. In the case of allies like the UAE or Qatar, this is something that may actually contravene the national interests of those countries to try and manage their bilateral relationships with Tehran by using economic inducements or economic engagement, often with the idea that there can be win-win basis for diplomatic ties, something that this administration has struggled with.
10:45And with countries like China, perhaps an adversary, any time that you try and escalate in an economic war against China, as this administration has seen on numerous junctures, it can have blowback. And I think that's going to be cause for some hesitation on the part of the administration in really implementing the measures that they have promised through their rhetoric. And we just heard from Iran's economy minister saying that the country has a two-year plan to counter US sanctions. What is that plan then in your assessment? I'm not sure that there's necessarily a very defined plan. I think Iranian policymakers have been very reactive to this slow grind of the economic pressure on the country in the last eight years.
11:29But I think it's precisely because the sanctions have been in place for so long, and maximum pressure dates back to 2018, that there have been learnings. I'd also note that the economy minister, Madani Zadeh, completed his PhD at the University of Chicago. And so it's not as though this is an economist that doesn't understand the extent to which this pressure might make life difficult for the government and for ordinary Iranians. But it's something that ultimately, you know, Iran will try and find piecemeal approaches. I think the main thing, though, is that the solution to the pressure in the view of Iranian leaders is not something about economic countermeasures.
12:10It's to return to military escalation. And I believe that in some sense, the US strategy here could be counterproductive because it incentivizes Iran to respond to this economic warfare with further military actions. Because that's what I was going to ask you. Do you think this in any way could bring Iran back to the negotiating table? It sounds like you're saying the opposite. It's unlikely. Iranian leaders have been very clear that what they want is for the Trump administration to honour the commitments it made in the MOU earlier this summer, which included commitments to lift both primary and secondary sanctions, really envisioning Iran's full integration into the global economy.
12:52The administration today has taken a step way in the opposite direction. And so I think they don't see the goodwill and are likely to respond by trying to compel the US back into the MOU. And that means potentially further military escalation. That's Esfandia Batman-Gelich there. Well, we have had more reaction from Iran's economy minister, Ali Madar-Nizadeh, who says Iran, the US I should say, has done everything they could to test the determination of the Iranian people and the country's officials but they failed every time. It seems they wish to suffer yet another defeat. We've been waiting for these plans for a long time.
13:32The government's ready and has a plan to manage these events. He made those comments to Iran's state television. You're listening to NewsHour.
13:50Coming up, our correspondent is taken to an undisclosed location to see one of the UK's most majestic birds of prey, the Montague's harrier. So we've come to a top-secret location. All I can say is that we're somewhere in England. I've been told not even to mention the county because this bird is so rare that if bird spotters knew where it was, they would come here, not just in their hundreds, but in their thousands. More from Justin Roller coming up in the programme. Some of the other stories we're watching this hour, and Canada's Prime Minister Mark Carney says he'll only resume trade talks with the United States if it stops treating Canada as a subsidiary.
14:35And fire crews in the American state of Nevada are battling to stop the advance of a wildfire, which has forced tens of thousands of people to flee their homes near the city of Reno.
14:51This is Rajini Vaidyanathan with NewsHour, coming to you live from the BBC in London. In their heyday, they were rivals on the pitch. Now cricket greats from across the world have come together to raise concerns about the treatment of Pakistan's ex-captain-turned-Prime Minister Imran Khan, who's been in jail since 2023. The 73-year-old's being held on charges of corruption, which he denies. His family and friends say they're worried about his health and the conditions he's been held in prison. Last week, Pakistan's Supreme Court ordered Mr Khan to be transferred to a private hospital. Instead, he was sent to a government hospital, which declared him medically fit.
15:32Now, a letter signed by players including India's Kapil Dev and Dilip Venksakha, Australia's Adam Gilchrist and Steve Waugh, and England's Mike Atherton and David Gower, is calling on Pakistan's current prime minister to ensure that Mr Khan gets proper visiting rights and adequate medical treatment. Well, I've been speaking to former England captain David Gower. It's not for me nor us as a group to intervene in the judicial process, but you'd expect that in other circumstances, maybe elsewhere in the world, that things might move more quickly. Do you think you yourself could help move things along then?
16:09Would you consider a trip to Pakistan? with some of the co-signatories, perhaps? Well, last time I was there, I asked that same question. So Imran Khan was in jail at that point, was he? Oh, yes, very much so. The last time I saw him, he was prime minister. I went to see him in the prime minister's house in Islamabad, and very impressive it was too. The last time I was in Pakistan, a couple of years ago, I spoke to one of his lawyers, saying, well, is there any way one could actually make contact? And let's face it, his close family, So Jemima, ex-wife, the sons, they found it very hard to speak to their ex-husband and father, respectively.
16:46For me, coming in just as a former cricketer, there's zero chance I would get anywhere near him. That's what I found out very, very quickly. What would you say to the assertion from the government and government doctors that, first of all, Imran Khan is receiving the best possible medical care and that he is in good health? One would treat that statement with a little bit of suspicion. The news, as I see it in front of me, is that the Supreme Court, no less, had agreed that he should be looked at by a board of physicians. He did get to go to a hospital, albeit not the one that was deemed by the Supreme Court that he should go to the Super International.
17:23But he still got to see a doctor, didn't he? I guess that would be the government's position on this. Of course it would be. But as an impartial observer, which is what I try and be here, if a Supreme Court says he should be allowed to be assessed by a certain board of independent doctors, albeit one of those would have been his own sister and his own positions, maybe just for them to be reassured as to his condition. When he's only allowed to see a board of state-appointed physicians, surely that's not really enough. You're amongst a group of international well-known cricketers who've signed this letter.
18:02But what's quite telling, isn't it, that there are only two other Pakistani cricketers who've actually been speaking out about Imran Khan. Why do you think that's the case? That could be as simple as if you are living in Pakistan under the current government, one of the things you'll probably want to do is keep your head down. What's interesting to me is that the list includes, obviously, generated by Greg Chappell, an Australian. We've got some of the English captains from my time, starting with Mike Brearley, Mike Catherton. You've got Australians. You've got Indians. Sonny Ogavisker, who is an immensely well-respected figure.
18:40So you've got a consensus across the world. And I think that's more telling than the absence of anyone who might feel it's more sensible to keep their heads down. And how worried are you right now for your friend? If the reports are accurate about failing health, I'd be very worried about it. And you would hope that someone who has achieved so much, both as a cricketer, if you remember the story about him building a hospital, a cancer hospital in Pakistan in memory of his mother, and that was his first major political achievement in many, many ways. He's an immense figure. The other point is this.
19:12Imran being who he is, is very much associated with Pakistan. I don't think it does the image that much good for the country as a whole. If the government has genuine concerns about the charges that were laid against him, then one of the great things you can do is hear the charges and see them through the courts. That's former England captain David Gower there.
19:38They're the UK's rarest breeding bird, one of the world's most agile birds of prey. The Montague's harrier is known for its grace in flight, so it's often referred to as one of the aristocrats of the bird world. Well, in 2021, it was put on a red list of birds most at risk here in the UK. Now, some good news. This year, there are not one, but two nests in the UK, both served by the same very busy male. The BBC's climate editor, Justin Rollat, has been given exclusive access as the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds, the RSPB, fits satellite tags to two of the chicks, hoping to unravel the mystery of their migration to West Africa and back.
20:21Easy, easy, easy. Here she is. God, they're beautiful birds, aren't they? Absolutely the best. RSPB experts are fitting a female Montague's harrier with a tiny satellite tag that sits on her back like a rucksack. She is still a chick with wisps of fluffy baby down amongst her dappled brown feathers. Fully grown, her wings will stretch more than a metre. The RSPB's experts want to understand more about the astonishing journey these birds so desperately rare in the UK make. So we've come to a top secret location where somewhere in England I've been told not even to mention the county because this bird is is so rare that if bird spotters knew where it was they would come here in their thousands and and these birds these montague harriers already have it really tough as recently as a few years ago for about a five-year period none were breeding in the uk down from in the 90s there were as many as 12 15 breeding pairs The bird's feeding behaviour is extraordinary The male is supporting two females and six chicks across two nests and he can make up to ten food deliveries a day He swoops in carrying prey in his claws, drops it mid-air and the female twists beneath him to snatch it as it falls This isn't the first time the RSPB has encountered the male bird says Mark Thomas, who is Head of Investigations at the charity.
22:03The male here is an incredibly special bird. So this was ringed as a chick in Wiltshire in 2016. I was present when that bird was ringed. When he's come back this year, he spent 10 days displaying like crazy in the sky at several thousand feet and amazingly attracted two female Montague's Harriers. Montague's Harriers nest on the ground, hidden among the crops. and climate change is bringing harvests forward. So it almost puts any Montague's harrier nest at the perils of inadvertently being destroyed by farm machinery. If the nests aren't found, the chicks would be killed by the combines. But surviving the harvest is just the first hurdle, which is where that satellite tag comes in.
22:49Two of the chicks are getting them because soon they will be leaving Britain. We know adult birds migrate thousands of miles to West Africa, but much less is known about the young birds, says Thomas. It allows for the first time ever to work out where they're going, what migration route and how long they'll spend there. All of that information is the bit that's missing from the jigsaw. Within weeks, these juvenile birds will be heading south. And now, for the first time, the RSPB will be able to follow two of them into the unknown. What a lovely story there. That is the BBC's climate editor, Justin Rollat, who had rare exclusive access on the Montagues Harrier.
23:34There's more on that story online on the BBC News website or app. I'm Rajini Vaidhin-Arden. This is NewsHour.
23:55Hello, Greg Jenner here. I'm the host of You're Dead to Me, the BBC comedy show that takes history seriously. Every episode, I pair up a top historian with a fantastic comedian, and we have a lovely, funny, fascinating chat about a different subject from world history. And in this new series, we're beginning with an epic voyage through the story of Homer, the Iliad, and the Odyssey. And that's with Kyle Smith-Bino joining us. And then we'll be learning about Francis Galton and the racist, discredited pseudoscience of eugenics with Desiree Birch. We'll meet many medieval saints in their bone boxes with Rachel Parrott.
24:28So if that sounds like your sort of thing, listen to You're Dead to Me wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you. Bye.
24:39Welcome back to NewsHour. Tens of thousands of people in the US city of Reno in the state of Nevada have been told to leave their homes immediately as a large wildfire reaches the outskirts of the city. Bright, thick plumes of smoke can be seen over Reno. Officials say the fire's expected to burn for two more days. They also say it was caused by humans. Well, I've been speaking to our correspondent Shaima Khalil, who's been monitoring events from Los Angeles. The latest is that the firefighters say they'd made some progress holding parts of the Hawk Fire, But it remains at zero containment. It remains dangerous, unpredictable.
25:19And crucially, evacuation orders are still in force. We've got 42 ,000 people that have been told to evacuate and 45 ,000 that have been told to remain on standby and to evacuate the minute that they're told. Because the speed of this has been quite extraordinary. And Regina, you talked about the pictures, of course, and they just give you a sense of the ferocity. walls of orange flames sweeping across hills in the darkness with fire engines silhouetted against them and then these plumes of smoke really that are covering Reno and the concern is that this is one of many fires that have been happening in the west coast in Nevada but this is not just in remote wilderness it is burning on the edge of Reno a city of around 280 ,000 people and it's moving towards established suburban communities where family homes sit at the foot of the hills.
26:12And this has really been the problem. Some families had only minutes to gather children, medication, important documents. One woman said that she was at work when she was told to evacuate and her children were still at home. And we've seen a mix of some people sleeping in their cars, some people going to evacuation centers, some people going to hotels that have been offering rooms at discounts. But at this point, they still don't know when they can go home and of course, what they're going home to. Indeed, Shima. And the authorities are saying that this fire was caused by humans. Are they saying deliberately or accidentally?
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26:50I think that is the big question. So far, they've been very quick to say that it was caused by human activity. We haven't yet established if this was an accident, you know, by someone or if this was arson, this was a deliberate fire. But it has certainly grown out of control. They say that's still under investigation. One more quick thing to say is that, of course, this is a back to school season. Almost all public schools have now closed. But the University of Nevada in Reno remains open. And the timing is particularly unsettling because today is supposedly the first day of the new semester. Many of roughly around 20 ,000 undergraduates have moved into student accommodations only days ago.
27:34And so some parents would be very, very worried about their children whom they dropped off into the university, even though if it's outside the evacuation zone, it is very, very close to the fires. That's the BBC's Shaima Khalil, monitoring developments in Reno from Los Angeles.
28:08You're listening to NewsHour from the BBC World Service with me, Rujini Vaidyanathan. Let's bring you an update on the latest on the tensions between Canada and the United States as their tariff war continues to escalate. In his latest move, President Trump said he will increase levies on key Canadian goods, such as cars, by 50 % from the beginning of next year. His announcement comes just days after Canada suspended trade negotiations, saying the US terms were unacceptable. Speaking at the Port of Quebec a few hours ago, Canada's Prime Minister Mark Carney said any recent progress on talks has now been reversed.
28:48And we could not accept what the US had offered, nor could we give what they asked. And by standing up for our values and focusing on what we can control we will build a Quebec in Canada for both two. Now, that's not to say there won't be challenges in the road ahead but we're ready to meet them because we have all we need right here. The workers, the engineers, the ambition and the right plan. The right plan for a stronger Quebec and a stronger Canada. Building at home and diversifying our trade abroad, that's not plan B. It's been our plan A from the start. Prime Minister Carney there. Well, Christophe Bondi is a former Canadian trade negotiator.
29:34He's now a partner in international disputes at London law firm Steptoe LLP. What does he think comes next? I think that there will be continued engagement over the period going forward, because it's in both sides' interest. I think Mr. Trump's announcement today demonstrates that he really doesn't understand the nature of a trade negotiation, which is something which is of mutual benefit to both sides. He's someone who can only trade in threats and in bullying. But in fact, the Canada-U.S. trade relationship has been hugely mutually beneficial and in particular beneficial to the United States.
30:15And I think that that announcement that these additional tariffs are only going to go into force six months for now signals an attempt to or that there was going to be a period of continuing engagement. I mean, the US said that those proposed measures for Canada would have given Canada more favourable treatment than any other US trading partner. So why didn't Canada accept that? Well, the terms, first of all, the negotiations started out because the US was violating the agreement that's already in place, the CUSMA, which was the replacement of NAFTA, which was supposed to have tariff-free trade between Canada and the United States.
30:59The US had imposed illegal tariffs on aluminium, on steel, on automotives, on wood products, and they were annoyed that Canada retaliated to that. So that was the starting point for those negotiations. But in the course of those negotiations, as Prime Minister Carney has explained, and at the last minute, all of a sudden the United States started asking for basically unacceptable propositions relating to the auto industry, for example, that the reduction on tariffs would only apply to certain aspects of the auto industry, not for medium and heavy trucks. Because Jameson Greer, the US trade representative, is saying that the US offered to reduce its 25 % tariff on cars and that the tariff on Canadian cars could have fallen as low as 7%.
31:50So is that not your understanding? Not with regard to specific elements of that trade, for example, heavy and medium trucks. And it was sprung on at the very last minute. There was also restrictions on Canada's ability to enter into other trade deals, and finally an attack on Canada's ability to promote Canadian content and have French language on consumer goods coming into Canada. So the labels of American products wouldn't be in the language that some Canadians can understand with regard to safety. I mean, it's real. And it was the accumulation of those demands that led the Canadian delegation, and I wasn't part of it, but from what I see reported, to say this is not a deal that is in Canada's favor.
32:36And I think that there's a strong support on the part of Canadians not to be pushed around and to accept terms that are unacceptable. And you heard from the Canadian Prime Minister, from Prime Minister Cardani's speech, the focus on Canada is what we can do now and nation building huge projects. We know what we have to offer to the world. And so it's really an interesting and very positive time, ironically, in Canada. Can Canada go forward without these trade agreements with such a large and key trading partner? I mean, the trade between the two is really significant. It is very significant, but we're also diversifying those relationships.
33:15And it's also very significant to the United States. I mean, don't forget, the United States gets 80 % of its imported electricity from Canada, 100 % of its natural gas, over 60 % of all crude oil imports, 80 % of all potash coming into the United States consumed in the United States when it comes from Canada. Those things are crucial to the functioning of U.S. industry. And if the United States acts as a rogue partner in its dealings with its best partner, Canada, who can do a deal with the United States? I think that's the thing that the Prime Minister said on Friday. The problem is that we've seen the deals the U.S.
33:51is signed nowadays seem to be signed in pencil. So if they cannot deal, that's an issue that the U.S. has not only with Canada, but the rest of the world. So Canada is really focusing on what it can do economically, which is a lot. It has huge natural resources that the world wants and needs. And it is, you know, diversifying those relationships at pace. So I think that, you know, cooler heads will prevail and they'll return to the bargaining table. It's rational Canadian, steady engagement in these negotiations that will lead to an outcome. That's Christophe Bondy, a former Canadian trade negotiator.
34:4335 years ago today, Ukraine became an independent state.
34:55And to mark the occasion, President Zelensky, dressed in black, his wife in white, led commemoration today in the capital, Kiev. They laid flowers in Ukraine's yellow and blue colours at the city's Wall of Remembrance, which bears the photos of many of the fallen.
35:16At another ceremony in the city, a high-profile visitor marked the occasion as well, the UK's Prime Minister, Andy Burnham, paying homage to the dead, showing solidarity for a key ally. 35 years since independence and more than four years since Russia's invasion. Despite Russia's outrageous threats to my country, we will continue our support for Ukraine's defence. I will take up the reins of the Coalition of the Willing alongside President Macron and Chancellor Mertz. And for Andy Burnham, that meant taking the blueprint to the British-produced components of the scalp long-range missile, the Storm Shadow, to Kiev, enabling Ukraine to eventually build the missiles at home so it can fire deep into Russia.
36:06The Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov had this response to the UK's latest gift.
36:15Britain is participating in this war on the side of the Kiev regime. Britain methodically and regularly pours fuel on the fire and plots to prevent any progress in the peace process. This is precisely what Britain is doing. Our armed forces are conducting the relevant work, obtaining the information in order to identify production sites of these missiles and other military equipment and are taking measures to destroy these sites.
36:46Well, to learn more about the scalp or the storm shadow missile technology, I've been speaking to Elizabeth Brawl from the Atlantic Council. The missiles are essentially the latest iteration of Ukrainian defence. And once they can be manufactured in Ukraine, the Ukrainians will be able to use them to strike targets in Russia. Now that's some time from now, but we should remember that in the early stages of the war, the Ukrainians defended themselves by hitting Russian invaders in Ukraine. And more recently, they've been able to hit Russian targets in Russia because they've developed really good drones.
37:26So these missiles are a step up from those drones. They are essentially more powerful than the drones, but a step up from what the Ukrainians are already able to do. How much of a game changer could they be? Frankly, it's not a massive game changer. So what Ukrainians are able to do already with their drones is extremely impressive and from a Russian perspective, extremely concerning because the drones are increasingly powerful and they are also able to travel increasing distances. But drones are a little bit like a swarm of wasps. You can sting, but you can't cripple or completely take out the target.
38:10And what missiles can do, because they are much more powerful, is they can help you cripple the target. And I think what's important to remember is that Ukraine has shown with its drone strikes that it acts responsibly. It targets military installations or installations that are part of the military effort. The Ukrainians don't target civilian buildings. They choose their targets carefully and they then strike accordingly using their drones. And I think that's what has given the UK and France the confidence to say, yes, we will share with you the blueprint for these missiles. We have seen some Russian civilians killed, though, of course, in the course of this long running conflict.
38:54Would there be any instance where the UK could find itself in trouble with international law if the missiles end up killing Russian civilians? The determination the UK has made is that Ukraine will choose targets that are primarily military, which makes them legitimate. The UK government made Ukraine promise that it will only use the missiles for military targets. It can still happen that civilians are killed in strikes on military targets. But as long as you have made sure not to hit civilian targets that have nothing to do with the military operation, then it is legitimate under international law.
39:37In terms of a time frame, how quickly could these Ukrainian made missiles actually enter the conflict? At least six months, I would guess the Ukrainians have to train workers who can actually manufacture these missiles. These workers have to be recruited and trained. And of course, the missiles have to be assembled and soldiers have to be trained in the use of these missiles. And we know already that Russia feels very angry and frustrated by the UK's support for Ukraine. We heard recently that they said that there would be consequences for the UK. Now we've heard from the Kremlin again. What do you think the fallout of that's going to be?
40:22The Kremlin always threatens retaliation. This is how the Russians try to intimidate countries. The views of Elizabeth Braw there. She's from the Atlantic Council think tank's Scowcroft Centre for Strategy and Security, sharing her thoughts on those scalp or storm shadow missiles missiles and the technology that the UK is going to be giving to Ukraine. This is Rajini Vaidyanathan and this is NewsHour.
41:07This is Rajini Vaidyanathan with NewsHour coming to you live from the BBC in London. The BBC World Service has gained rare access inside Afghanistan under the Taliban. Five years after the extreme Islamist movement returned to power and the BBC spent time with senior figures, former insurgents turned politicians, to see how they're governing a country in crisis. We've also spoken to Afghans living, once again, under the same hardline rule the group first imposed decades ago. The BBC's Kawoon Hamush reports. In Shibirgan, northern Afghanistan, Taliban Governor Abdullah Sarhadi starts his day. Once a Guantanamo Bay detainee, Sarhadi now works for the country's supreme leader, enforcing strict sharia in his region.
41:59The BBC has been given rare access to his office to film some of his daily work, as he meets local people who come to him seeking resolutions to various problems.
42:12One case dominates the day, however.
42:18That of an 18-year-old woman who is seeking a divorce from her husband, accusing him of abuse and beatings. She is wearing a full veil and sunglasses. Her clasped hands and black gloves. To protect her identity, we have had someone else voice her words. I'm ready to be executed, but not live with him. The governor tells her she should either continue the marriage or apply for a khula, a form of divorce initiated by the wife, which could mean having to repay her dowry to her husband. Under the Taliban, it is very difficult for a woman to get a divorce without the husband's consent. Despite this, she wants to proceed.
43:01Ask yourself, who would marry me after I get my divorce? You'll have to compromise a lot, or you'll lose your dignity and honour. Mr Governor, my honor and dignity have already been ruined by him. Dismissing her to the next room, the governor discusses the matter with male officials, bodyguards and her husband. Women are mindless. They are deficient in intellect. They don't know a thing. What would you do with a divorced daughter? You can't kill her. You need to marry her with someone else. Would you marry such a girl with your son? the woman's father says they will continue to fight for the separation.
43:44The Taliban's policies today are similar to the hardline interpretation of Islamic religious law they imposed in the 1990s, and those who oppose them have gone into hiding, especially women who have been erased from public life. When they do fight back, they face harsh crackdowns.
44:10In the week the Taliban came to power, many women took to the streets to protest. Hoda had a successful career and an active life. But now we meet in secret. We have changed her name and voice to protect her safety. Why do you think the Taliban want to restrict women, I ask her? I think the Taliban are scared. They are scared of educated women. They know educated women won't give birth to ignorant beings such as the Taliban. They restrict women so they wouldn't be able to raise wise men, because that would be the end of the Taliban.
44:53Upon returning to power, the Taliban said they had changed. Five years on, it's a country run by men for men. In a lavish press center funded by the Americans for the previous government, we sit down with the public face of the Taliban, their spokesman known as Zabiullah Mujahid. You promised that you will respect human rights, you will allow women to participate in all aspects of life, work and study. Why did you fail to keep your promise? I mentioned Sharia as a condition. We are committed to women's rights, freedom of speech and other things within Sharia. We must scale everything up according to Sharia.
45:39As an insurgency, the Taliban proved they could survive. The question now is whether they can govern a country in crisis and for how long. That's the BBC's Kawun Hamush reporting. Now there's nothing better than the smell of a batch of cookies as they just come out of the oven, freshly baked Soft, chewy and sweet You might prefer chocolate chip, peanuts or perhaps you like oatmeal But would you eat a cookie made from recycled plastic bottles? Researchers in the United States are working on that recipe They've engineered microbes which can break down discarded plastic bottles and crop waste and turn them into protein-rich cookies.
46:25Well, Mary Roloff is from Forbes magazine. It's important to note that humans aren't eating raw plastic, even in these cookies. Microbes, you know, like bacterias and algaes, are eating the plastic and then breaking it down into the nutritional molecules that we think about, like proteins and fats and vitamins. And then more yeast are reassembling those things back into a food product. And then a 3D printer is actually turning the final mixture into a little cookie that's reportedly quite nutrient dense. Have you tried one? I have not. They are not doing full-scale taste testing yet. They're still waiting for sign-off.
46:59But they have done some smell tests. And apparently most participants said that they would eat the cookies in a resource-limited setting. So, you know, if there wasn't a whole lot available. These are supposed to be quite good for you, aren't they? Which to most people might sound counterintuitive, certainly to me. But they're quite rich in protein. I think there's protein and vitamins and fats, and they're even able to use a little bit of yeast to make it, you know, taste like vanilla. And in the future, they said they're hoping that they'll be able to make the starch and the fiber and the sweetener and everything really using this microbe process that they've come up with.
47:34And what's the reasoning behind this? It was conducted as part of a NASA-led project aimed at creating foods for deep space exploration. So astronauts could be among the earliest adopters, but they could also be used in disaster zones, on submarines or other places where fresh foods are harder to get. I know you haven't tried one, but have any researchers shared more about what they might taste like beyond what you said about the smell just then? I think that they are supposed to have a little bit of this vanilla flavouring from some bioengineered yeast, but they haven't exactly said that they're chasing them down with milk in the lab.
48:09And this isn't the first time that plastic's been used for food in this way, is it? I think scientists have achieved this before, but on a bit of a smaller scale. So an Edinburgh study a few years ago was able to convert plastic water bottles into vanilla flavouring. I'm not sure if that was ever really instituted into the supply chain. But researchers in the US have also been able to engineer a fungus that's capable of eating things like styrofoam and foam cups and packaging to kind of help with breaking down those materials. And why would you do this in the first place? I think that what they're going for beyond sustaining life in these things like deep space exploration or disaster zones is I think that being able to do this might go a long way in helping to bolster the global food supply as demand continues to surge.
48:54Still not sure plastic cookies are for me, but Mary Roloff's there, outlining the case as we end this edition of NewsHour. I'm Rajini Vaithanathan. Thanks to all of you for listening.
49:11Hello, Greg Jenner here. I'm the host of You're Dead to Me, the BBC comedy show that takes history seriously. Every episode, I pair up a top historian with a fantastic comedian, and we have a lovely, funny, fascinating chat about a different subject from world history. And in this new series, we're beginning with an epic voyage through the story of Homer, the Iliad, and the Odyssey. And that's with Kyle Smith-Bino joining us. And then we'll be learning about Francis Galton and the racist, discredited pseudoscience of eugenics with Desiree Birch. We'll meet many medieval saints in their bone boxes with Rachel Parrott.
49:45So if that sounds like your sort of thing, listen to You're Dead to Me wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you. Bye.
From the publisher
The US treasury secretary, Scott Bessent, has unveiled a wave of sanctions aimed at isolating Iran's economy and says that other countries will be pressured to comply. But will the US deliver on its threats?
Also in the programme: a group of cricket legends urges Pakistan to give the former prime minister, Imran Khan, proper medical care; and the edible cookie made from plastic waste.
(Photo: US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent speaks during a press conference to outline further sanctions against Iran in Washington, August 24, 2026. Credit: Reuters/Evelyn Hockstein.)
