In short
The episode is a BBC NewsHour roundup focused mainly on Venezuela’s twin earthquakes, plus other global stories. In Venezuela, the official death toll rises to 1,430 with 3,238 injured and about 50,000 missing after two quakes struck within 40 seconds. Caracas residents describe flattened homes, people sleeping outdoors, and a government response seen by some as inadequate; international search-and-rescue teams (UK/US sniffer dogs, Cuba/Spain medical teams, Mexico’s Los Topos) are working as hopes fade after the crucial first 72 hours. Key claims include aftershocks risk and that survivors have been pulled out (including a toddler).
Notable examples
Giancarlos Roa’s family displaced; rescue teams using recon and reinforced-concrete voids; Red Cross stories of families saved “with bare hands.”
Guests
Will Grant (BBC reporter, Caracas); John Morrison (US Fairfax Fire & Rescue, US Disaster Assistance Response Team); Lois Pace (IFRC Americas regional director); Dr. Matthias Huss (GLAMOS glacier monitoring head, Switzerland); Dr. Erika Feuerbacher (Virginia Tech, spotted lanternfly detection dogs); Joe Inwood (BBC World News correspondent, Strait of Hormuz); Dr. Bader Musa Al-Saif (Kuwait University); “Anna” (Haitian TPS recipient interviewed); Aaron Espeland (Norway World Cup team chef); Paula Nji (BBC reporter, Cape Verde watch party).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOOverview of the Earthquakes
0:39 to 1:24
Details about the recent earthquakes in Venezuela and their impact.
“Hello and welcome to NewsHour from the BBC World Service, coming to you live from London.”
On-the-Ground Report from Caracas
1:24 to 5:43
Will Grant reports live from Caracas, sharing firsthand experiences of the aftermath.
“All of them agreed this was the worst natural disaster they'd ever seen in Venezuela.”
International Aid and Response
5:43 to 7:48
Discussion of international aid arriving in Venezuela and its coordination.
“Now they are basically crediting us in order for everybody to be accompanied, escorted on state buses to the worst affected zone of La Guaida.”
U.S. Disaster Response Team Insights
7:48 to 9:29
John Morrison shares experiences and challenges faced by the U.S. rescue team in Venezuela.
“John Morrison is with the Fairfax Fire and Rescue Department in Virginia.”
Red Cross Perspective on Challenges
9:29 to 13:06
Lois Pace discusses ongoing challenges and personal stories of rescue efforts in Venezuela.
“It all depends on if the building collapses and somebody happens to have a water store near them or, excuse me, like, you know, storage water bottles or something like that.”
Headlines Overview
14:02 to 14:39
Hear the latest news regarding the earthquakes and extreme weather in Europe.
“You're listening to the BBC World Service.”
Glacier Monitoring Insights
14:39 to 18:25
Dr. Matthias Huss discusses glacier loss in Switzerland and its implications.
“More records tumbling across Europe today as the heatwave continues to bring extreme temperatures across the continent.”
Canine Help Against Invasive Species
18:58 to 22:40
Discover how trained dogs are being used to combat spotted lanternflies in Virginia.
“But what policy changes should investors be watching?”
Tensions in the Strait of Hormuz
22:40 to 28:00
An analysis of the recent incidents in the Strait of Hormuz and their geopolitical implications.
“You're listening to the BBC World Service and this is NewsHour coming to you live from London.”
Strait of Hormuz Tensions and International Politics
28:00 to 29:48
Learn about the complex geopolitical tensions in the Strait of Hormuz and the implications for oil and gas supplies.
“And that's why they had that 60-day slot to sort out more detail.”
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Impact of Supreme Court Ruling on TPS Holders
29:48 to 31:03
Discover the significant ramifications of a Supreme Court ruling affecting Temporary Protected Status for many immigrants.
“A win for the Trump administration's immigration policy, uncertainty for hundreds of thousands of people living in the United States.”
Anna: A Haitian's Struggle in America
31:03 to 35:46
Hear the personal testimony of a Haitian woman facing uncertainty due to changes in TPS status and the threat of deportation.
“Right now, the decision the Supreme Court takes, I don't know.”
World Cup Update: Norway's Team Diet
35:46 to 36:27
Explore the dietary preferences and nutritional strategies of Norway's World Cup football team as they prepare for matches.
“On Friday the favourites France beat Norway 4-1 to win their group.”
Cape Verde's Historic World Cup Journey
36:27 to 42:00
Learn about Cape Verde's first qualification for the World Cup and the significance of this achievement for the nation.
“Rumours which have been dismissed as false.”
Roberto Lopez's Journey to Cape Verde Selection
42:00 to 43:32
Learn about Roberto Lopez's unexpected path to playing for Cape Verde.
“One of them is Roberto Lopez, nicknamed Pico.”
Transcript
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0:39Hello and welcome to NewsHour from the BBC World Service, coming to you live from London. I'm James Kamarasami. And we begin today in Venezuela, where the official death toll after Wednesday's two powerful earthquakes, which struck within 40 seconds of each other, has climbed to 1 ,430, A further 3 ,238 people are reported to have been injured. But it's a figure of 50 ,000 missing people in a landscape scarred by completely flattened buildings that is adding to the trauma of a population which has faced plenty of challenges in recent years. The BBC's Will Grant is in the capital, Caracas, and he begins his report in a part of the city he knows well.
1:24the caracas neighborhoods of altamira and los palos grandes are some of the most seismic in the city earthquakes even small ones are often felt there and the two which struck venezuela earlier this week were anything but small feels quite surreal being back here i lived on this street and there is an utterly flattened building i can see rescue workers sifting through the rubble all day they have been using earth moving equipment to take out massive concrete slabs and allow these teams to get back in a little more safely and now one of these trucks is about to drive out carrying with it some of the rubble of these homes I used to live next to
2:20Fortunately, my old building is still intact, as is its amiable long-standing caretaker Pedro, who sat with the elderly neighbours as they recovered from the shock. All of them agreed this was the worst natural disaster they'd ever seen in Venezuela. On every corner in this neighbourhood, There are people who are sleeping out because they have nowhere else to stay. Their homes are now uninhabitable. It feels like a bit of a lottery. I mean, a lot of these homes were considered safe, and yet now, if they're not flattened like the one I'm looking at, they certainly can't be lived in again.
3:06Among those sleeping on a mattress under a tarpaulin was Giancarlos Roa. His wife and daughter were with him after their building was so badly cracked they may never be able to go back. He's worked for decades as a policeman, and now at 50, he says, the tears rolling down his cheeks, he's not sure he even knows how to rebuild his family's life again.
3:30But despite his dire circumstances, Giancarlos knows he's still one of the lucky ones.
3:41Interim President Delcy Rodriguez told the nation that hundreds more had died with thousands of people injured. We've also rescued dozens of people alive and are grateful that they'll be able to embrace their families and loved ones once again, she said. Those success stories have included a toddler recently pulled from the ruins of a collapsed building. However, there's a staggering 50 ,000 people estimated to still be missing. We are still all in shock. I think we need more days and we need to accept all the help we can get from abroad. It's been a really serious tragedy here. Caracas resident Zahira Castron is a musician who lived and studied in the UK for years.
4:21She says people increasingly see the government's response as inadequate. We're all pretty frustrated here because the government is not showing what they should be, you know, a display of serious amount of help. And it's actually we, the Venezuelans, who are helping each other. We live here in a society that's grown up into helping each other. We don't depend on the government. That doesn't exist for us anymore. One of Mexico's search and rescue teams, called Los Topos, meaning the moles, stepped out of the airport in Venezuela to warm applause. International help is coming to this stricken nation, little by little.
5:05Whether it's rescue workers and sniffer dogs from the UK and the US, or medical teams from Cuba and Spain, they all have their work cut out. But time to find any more survivors buried beneath the rubble is fast running out. Will Grant reporting from Caracas. Well, Will is currently on his way to the worst affected region, the coastal region of La Guayra, in a bus that's been laid on by the Venezuelan government. And we spoke to him just before he boarded it. Well, it feels like the government is trying to impose a bit of an order on the chaos. Basically, they relaxed their normally very strict visa rules and basically let in journalists from around the world to cover this tragedy.
5:45Now they are basically crediting us in order for everybody to be accompanied, escorted on state buses to the worst affected zone of La Guaida. I think that it's been anarchy down there so far from what we hear with all manner of rescue workers, grieving relatives, relatives waiting for information, desperation, just chaos. And I think they want to sort of corral people a bit more. There's some tension about that with the media, as you can imagine, who don't like to be told where to go and where to stand. And we're going to see how it works by joining them on this bus and seeing what exactly we're allowed to see.
6:22And it is indeed a clear understanding of just how bad things are in that particular region or coast. I hear all the caveats about what may or may not happen, and I'm sure on these occasions things are pretty chaotic anyway. But what are you being told? How controlled is all this going to be when you get there? I think things are very complex. The picture alone of just how many buildings have been flattened in La Guaida, it's over 100. The number of missing is estimated to be around 50 ,000, which is just a shocking number. Venezuelans are really still coming to terms with that. The sense is that people are calling out names, they're looking for their loved ones, pulling out rubble with their own bare hands if they have to, through the night.
7:07The Mexican teams are there, the teams from Brazil, all around the world they've arrived and are pitching in as best they can. But with each hour that passes, the hopes fade. The first 72 hours are crucial and we're getting very, very close to that. So it's already a question of hope, really, for most people. Staying up all night, vigils, praying, only to sort of not get that miracle they're hoping for. There have been some children, babies pulled from the rubble, which buoys everybody's spirits. But those instances are becoming less frequent and they're becoming just rarer, fewer. Will Grant in Venezuela.
7:47Well, let's hear from one of the teams that's already on the scene. John Morrison is with the Fairfax Fire and Rescue Department in Virginia. He's part of the US Disaster Assistance Response Team that is in La Guayra province. So our team arrived here yesterday, Friday mid-afternoon. We arrived to an airport that was a little further away because the closer in airport was closed, the runway was closed. So we had about a two to three hour drive to get where we are. And we set up a base camp and immediately sent out some what we call recon teams. And their job is to go where victims may be in these collapsed buildings.
8:23And our team specializes in rescuing those deeply entombed in those reinforced concrete buildings. So touchdown, set up camp and straight away off they went. What was that first recce like? What did they see? You know, it's very much like some of the larger scale earthquakes that we've responded to in the past, including, you know, Turkey just a few years ago. So our team trains for what we've encountered is basically what we expected, which is these large high-rise buildings that have collapsed. And when they do collapse, they leave large void spaces, which then has the potential for many victims being trapped.
8:58That is our job to rescue them. And just to be clear, as of now, as we are talking, have you been able to rescue anyone? We're on several different work sites right now with the potential for live victims, and we're very optimistic that we'll find some in the very near future. Does that mean you've already had evidence of people? I wouldn't say that quite yet. We're very optimistic, but, you know, these buildings are very large, and these victims, when they're in there, are typically very deeply entombed. So I would be presumptuous in saying that. And given your experience, how long have you got, to be frank?
9:31It all depends on if the building collapses and somebody happens to have a water store near them or, excuse me, like, you know, storage water bottles or something like that. It's a very long period of time. So we're going to work as long as we think there's viable victims out there. And as long as the local emergency managers here need our assistance. I was going to ask you about that. How is the coordination working? Clearly, there are quite a few teams coming in from different countries. How is that all operating at the moment? One of the amazing things about being in the humanitarian space is the ability to countries and nationalities aside and just work for the good of the victim.
10:08So we've been working with local first responders here, the bomberos, along with other international teams that are here. And it really is seamless because we're all sort of putting our egos aside and doing what's best for the victim. Yes, I mean, without getting into geopolitics, when Venezuela is concerned, it is a country that's had huge challenges over the last few decades. Are there extra challenges going to a place like Venezuela when something like this happens? In our mind, no. We're here to perform search and rescue operations, and that's entirely what we're focused on. So, you know, I don't get paid enough to deal with politics.
10:40Regardless of nationality or politics, we're all just here to help save lives. That's John Morrison from the U.S. Disaster Assistance Response Team. He's in the Venezuelan province of La Guayra. Now, Lois Pace is the regional director for the Americas for the International Federation of the Red Cross and she's been telling me about the experience of her colleagues who are working in La Guara. First of all, were they concerned about possible aftershocks? Yeah, we're quite concerned yesterday. I think they had the highest level tremor that they've experienced since the original two quakes. So we remain concerned about those aftershocks.
11:18I think, you know, we do just what we tell everyone else to do. which is know what to do and where to go when this happens. Take cover, ensure you're not around these tall buildings, especially buildings that might still be standing but are very damaged. We're quite concerned that we'll see and have more buildings collapse, frankly, and that'll make these recovery efforts even harder, unfortunately. These buildings were already high-rises, many of these residences, and if more of the cement falls, then I think we'll have an even harder time really removing that and rebuilding. We have seen images of people being rescued from the rubble.
11:55Some quite incredible images of these completely collapsed buildings, yet people have survived. What are you hearing? Are people still being rescued, I mean, away from the cameras? Yeah, I think so. I mean, there's one, goodness, there's one story that we heard from our team yesterday. we, like I said, have a team on the ground and I have a team of about, you know, a fairly small team that supports the Venezuelan Red Cross. But we have someone in our IT department whose entire family went missing under the rubble of a building. And he was personally part of the rescue team that pulled them out.
12:33And so he saved his family with his bare hands. And I don't think anyone captured that because I think we were all trying to help him. But it's something that will sit with us and live in our memories. There's other stories of Venezuelans singing to survivors that remain trapped, right? And, you know, just trying to encourage them as they stand under the rubble. That was Lois Pace, who is the Regional Director for the Americas for the International Federation of the Red Cross. She was speaking to me from Panama. And if you want to keep updated on the latest from the earthquakes in Venezuela, you can go to our live page on the BBC News website, bbc.com forward slash news.
13:17Latest post I see there with the rather sobering numbers that the US Geological Survey has estimated could be the final death toll. And they're talking between 10 and 100 ,000 people. That is an estimate. You're listening to News Hour from the BBC World
13:34service. And coming up later on in the program, after the US Supreme Court removes the protected status from hundreds of thousands of Haitians in America, we hear from one woman who could be affected. I built my whole life here. I come here when I was 16, now I'm 31. So it's just like I don't know where to go or what to do. You can hear the full interview with that woman in about 20 minutes time. Our headlines at this hour. Despite desperate rescue efforts are continuing in Venezuela three days after the country was hit by twin earthquakes the number confirmed dead has now passed 1400 and more heat records have been smashed in Europe with Germany the Czech Republic and Denmark all registering their hottest day on record.
14:36You're listening to the BBC World Service. This is NewsHour coming to you live from London with James Kamara-Sami. More records tumbling across Europe today as the heatwave continues to bring extreme temperatures across the continent. For a third day in a row, Switzerland has experienced its hottest ever day in June. That's led to nuclear reactors there being switched off. It also means that Swiss glaciers have been melting unusually quickly, as I've been hearing from Dr Matthias Huss, who's head of glacier monitoring in Switzerland. According to our data, we're losing as much water from the Swiss glaciers to fill up one Olympic swimming pool every six seconds.
15:16And this now lasts for two weeks. So as long as this heatwave is ongoing and day and night every six seconds. That is a very vivid image. Just explain how you are able to measure that. We have some measurement sites on about 20 glaciers in Switzerland where we go on site and measure how much ice is lost vertically at some poles drilled into the ice. These data are then combined with some numerical models that are able to extrapolate this to all glaciers in Switzerland. We also use satellite imagery to constrain these models, and therefore we can compute quite accurately how much water the glaciers are losing right now.
15:56And you have a day in the year, don't you? A tipping point day, if you like. Perhaps you can explain what that is, and I think it's coming earlier and earlier at the moment, isn't it? It's this Glacier Loss Day. It's a bit similar as the Earth's Overshoot Day. This Glacier Loss Day is going to occur next Monday, most likely. It's the day when all snow reserves accumulated over the winter have been used up and we're entering the phase where we are kind of losing old ice. So every day from next Monday onwards is really contributing to the unsustainable loss of ice. And this is, of course, worrying because it's very early.
16:36It's even almost before the main part of the summer. So all the rest of the summer will contribute to unsustainable loss. How does this compare to recent years? There is a very clear trend to this day occurring earlier and earlier. We had one record in the year 22, which was shattering all previous records so far. Then this day was still three days earlier than this year. However, in all other years, it's normally occurring in late July and August. It should actually not occur at all if the glacier would be healthy. But we've seen this day occurring always earlier and earlier. Is there any way to get the glacier healthy again?
17:19Will that depend on winter conditions and snowfall? Well, it's snowfall on the one hand, but even more importantly is the temperatures during the summer. And we've seen a strong increase in the summer temperatures over the last years. And the combination of dry winters as this one and hot summers, this is the worst for the glaciers. So the biggest rivers in Europe are sourcing in the Alps. So the Rhine flowing northwards, the Rhône flowing to the Mediterranean, the Danube. And all of those are sourced by glacial meltwater and snow meltwater. So if the ice and the snow are declining in the mountains, we have also impacts going far beyond the mountains.
18:03And this has impacts on the transport of goods over the rivers, for the cooling of nuclear power plants, obviously also for irrigation. So this water that is coming from the mountains is needed for many aspects. Dr Matthias Huss, who's head of Glacier Monitoring in Switzerland, or the acronym GLAMOS.
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19:06Washington Wise is an original podcast from Charles Schwab that unpacks the stories making news in Washington right now and how they may affect your finances and portfolio. Listen at schwab.com slash Washington Wise. That's schwab.com slash Washington Wise. Welcome back to News Hour. Coming up next, we'll hear about the latest developments in and around the Strait of Hormuz and we'll get an assessment of what that could mean for the truce in the Middle East. First though, a team of researchers in the United States are turning to our furry friends to help tackle an invasive species. The BBC's Riley Farrell has been to Virginia to find out more.
19:55There's an invasion spreading across the United States that could cost millions. But today, standing on a berry farm in the Blue Ridge Mountains, I'm witnessing one of the most unexpected defenses against it. A group of very good dogs. Okay, so this is Fozzie. He was puppy trained to be a service dog and then washed out of the program. My dog is Finch. She is a lovely mixed breed dog that I rescued about eight years ago. This is Hermes and he is almost 10 border collie. He has a birthday on Sunday. These pet pooches are trained to detect the egg masses of spotted lanternflies, an invasive bug species ravaging the U.S.
20:52Spotted lanternflies feed on plant sap, excreting a substance called honeydew, which causes the growth of thick, black, sooty mold. This mold ruins the vegetation. With basically no natural predators here and a broad diet, these insects threaten vineyards, orchards, hardwood forests, and urban ecosystems. systems. This problem calls for a creative solution. And for Dr. Erika Feuerbacher, a professor at Virginia Tech, the idea struck her on a hike. So my background is in canine behavior, but I would go hiking with my dogs and I knew about conservation dogs and I always thought, wouldn't it be fun if I could contribute to solving environmental issues while I'm playing with my dog?
21:39And I figured there were more people than just me that was interested in that. Any breed can be an olfactory detection dog. So they're all really useful. If our dogs are detecting one lanternfly at a time, it's kind of a slow process. But with the egg masses, we can get, you know, 50 or 60 that we can scrape off at a time. So we're going to get a little more bang for our buck. It honestly looks like a game, but it is early detection. Stopping them early can stop the spread. The egg masses are oftentimes how they are being moved around. so they've laid egg masses on a lumber shipment that's moving somewhere else.
22:12So if we can detect that egg mass on that lumber shipment and be able to scrape it off, we're going to prevent the lanternflies from spreading further. I think it can be overwhelming and you don't know where to step in and help your community. And I think these little things, like teaming with your dog for a local detection target, can be really useful. And you feel like we get enough of these together, right? And we can have a big impact. Good boy. That was Dr. Erica Foyer-Backer ending that report from Virginia by the BBC's Riley Farrell. You're listening to the BBC World Service and this is NewsHour coming to you live from London.
22:57You're listening to the BBC World Service and this is NewsHour coming to you live from our studios in central London with James Kimarasamy. No one expected it to be diplomatic plane sailing, but there had been hopes that the Memorandum of Understanding signed by the United States and Iran about a week ago, vague though it was, would have created enough diplomatic space to allow shipping to resume unimpeded for the time being through the Strait of Hormuz. But the events of the past couple of days have reminded everyone of the fragility of the ceasefire included in that agreement. For the second time, an oil tanker travelling through the waterway has been struck.
23:32Meanwhile, Bahrain has accused Iran of carrying out a drone attack on its territory. There have been no reports of injuries from either incident, which follow an exchange of fire between the Iranians and the Americans. The BBC's World News correspondent, Joe Inwood, has been monitoring the day's developments. We know that the UK Maritime Organization has said that some sort of projectile hit a Panamanian tanker going through the Strait of Hormuz. Don't know more information than that. And Bahrain has said that a number of Iranian drones have attacked their territory. Now, the Iranians have said they were attacking US military bases.
24:09Now, all of this is in the context of American strikes that took place on Iran, on their kind of drone facilities and on radar posts on Friday. And those were themselves a response to an Iranian drone attack on another cargo ship going through the strait on Thursday. So what we've seen is a couple of days here of these sort of tit-for-tat attacks. They don't seem like they're escalatory. It doesn't seem like either side is really trying to sort of test the other one particularly, but just to set their boundaries. First, the Iranians saying, if you want to go through the strait, you need to coordinate with us.
24:46The Americans saying, if you use force, we'll use more force back. And then the Iranians retaliating again. Do we know what it is doing to the movement of ships through the strait, though? Presumably people will be looking at this and taking some decisions. Yes, so there was an operation, I understand, I think on the Friday, they were looking at trying to get some of the stranded sailors out from the Strait of Hormuz. That was postponed as a consequence of this. And in a way, this whole Iranian strike on the Thursday seems to be aimed at saying, look, we've said the Strait of Hormuz can be opened, but it can be opened on our terms.
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25:23This whole conflict has given Iran a really, really effective kind of geopolitical weapon. And that weapon is controlling the Strait of Hormuz. Now, it only controls it if the ships use the kind of the path it sets, does it on their terms, in coordination with them. And it's worth pointing out the ship on Thursday was taking the more southerly route, the one that doesn't go close to the coast of Iran, but goes close to the coast of Oman. And I think what the Iranians are doing is saying, look, the strait is open, but it's open on our terms. And the Omanis, of course, are involved in trying to work out a longer term deal, aren't they?
26:02Yeah, and this is going to be one of the really, really important things that's up for discussion in these talks about the Memorandum of Understanding, the ones that we know are sort of going on behind closed doors. And the reason it matters so much is because it gives the Iranians a sort of a control over the economies or an influence over the economies of many, many of their neighbours and a geopolitical weapon, as I say, that is probably in many ways far more effective than any nuclear weapon they could have tried to acquire. The BBC's World News correspondent, Joe Inwood. So what kind of a challenge does all this pose to efforts to transform that initial memorandum of understanding into a more lasting agreement that would allow shipping to move freely through the Strait of Hormuz?
26:47Dr Bader Musa Al-Saif is Associate Professor of History at Kuwait University. From Dubai, he gave me his assessment of the current situation. This cat and mouse game between the US and Iran needs to end. None of this will bring us closer to the peace and calm that the region direly needs to move our files forward. You express a hope there, but what is your expectation? My expectation is that we're going to see more of this, unfortunately, coming forward. Regardless of all the arrangements that we're going to see coming through, the Strait of Hormuz will not return to its pre-war levels anytime soon.
27:25And that's why you see alternative corridors and routes being planned by the different impacted regions. What we need from the international community is their firm focus and pressure on Iran, on the US, to stop doing this. This is not conducive to stability in the region. You describe it as a cat and mouse game, but is this something that just might be expected, given the intensity of what happened in the early part of the war and given the stakes here with the closure of the Strait of Hormuz for so long? I mean, the memorandum of understanding or the framework agreement is very ambiguous as to where it takes us during the next period.
28:08And that's why they had that 60-day slot to sort out more detail. And I think until we come to closure on some of these files, we'll continue to see this tit-for-tat continuing between the two sides. and that's not going to be helpful. We need to be firm in our position as not only Gulf Arab states, but again, all concerned countries. We still have stranded ships in the Strait of Hormuz. We still have a lot of need for oil and gas and fertilizers in this critical time of year. So doing this is not mature from both sides. And rightly to focus on what Iran is doing. This is an international waterway To try to use the Strait of Hormuz as leverage to get domestic needs through from the Iranian side is not helpful for them.
28:57And they need to think long term. Clearly, what has happened over the last 24 hours or so is complicating things. But what can you say with any certainty about the situation at the moment in the Strait of Hormuz? Which shipping routes can vessels take? It's all up in the air, Jamie. I mean, the proposal that the IMO sanctioned alongside with Oman was to have a route through so that we can get the ball rolling. And it seems that the Iranians are not willing to let go of their joint management of the so-called route. And this is something that has been put in, by the way, in the Memorandum of Understanding, which was not the way to go, honestly.
29:39It shouldn't have been put as a compromise, but it was left in a very vague language to take it to the next step. Dr. Bada Musa Al-Saif, Associate Professor of History at Kuwait University. A win for the Trump administration's immigration policy, uncertainty for hundreds of thousands of people living in the United States. That is a result of a ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court this week, which ends temporary protected status, or TPS, for people from Haiti and Syria, but has implications for others from a dozen other countries. TPS is a humanitarian programme which gives people from countries deemed unsafe because of wars or natural disasters temporary shelter in the United States and protects them from deportation.
30:24Under TPS, you are not offered a path to citizenship, but you can get a work permit. This White House has called it an amnesty programme which allows people who entered the US illegally to stay indefinitely. I've been speaking to one of the 350 ,000 Haitians with TPS who, as a result of the ruling, cannot now legally challenge the government if it strips them of their status. We are calling her Anna. It is not her real name. She came to America for a visit as a child in 2009 and was allowed to stay on after the Haitian earthquake of 2010. Since when, she has continued to stay on with several TPS extensions.
31:01And now she's very worried. Right now, the decision the Supreme Court takes, I don't know. I don't really know what's going to happen or what am I going to do. I'm nervous. I don't know what's going to happen. Before that decision, though, you've made your life in America. You were planning to stay. Yes. Yes. So now, uncertainty, as you say. Are you getting advice, getting legal advice? I called my lawyer. He didn't really say anything because even him knows. What's going to happen is they say it's mass deportation. The Supreme Court took the decision, but the president, he hasn't made any statement about what he's going to do.
31:51But we know that, I've been watching the news, they're talking about mass deportation. What do you understand this ruling means for you? Um, heartbreaking. I have a lot of young women that is in their late 20s, early 30s. We work together. All of them, they're heartbreaking. Me, I built my whole life here. I come here when I was 16. Now I'm 31. So it's just like I don't know where to go or what to do. if you are told you will have to go would you return to haiti
32:38i guess i didn't have i'm not going to have any other choice but me i don't have anywhere to go because where i'm from gang took over our house my sister has to be relocated somewhere i've never been. I don't know if I'm going to be able to work there or what kind of job I'm going to do. I don't know. Before this, have you been threatened before with deportation? Yes, that was when he got to the White House. I don't remember which year. The first time you're talking about, 2017? Yeah, the first time, yes. and your tps status that prevented you from being deported did it yes did that make any difference though when you were threatened with deportation did that make you think at all about whether you wanted to stay in america um yes at that time i was i was young it didn't really register to me but i know that i was scared that time i used to live in new york city i was scared i didn't want to go outside but i guess now i'm older it's just like i i'm sitting in the reality now i understand um what was going on i i understand the heartbreak better now because like I was I was very young I was just going around didn't take life very seriously can you understand how some Americans looking at a case like yours when you were initially given an 18 month period of staying and you have you have stayed but but you can't become an American citizen would say that is that is unfair it's it is fair to give people shelter when there are, you know, emergencies, but to have someone stay as long as you have and want to stay forever is something different and Americans are, many Americans are uncomfortable with that?
34:58Yeah, I totally understand. I totally understand that part. But for you, you've made a life there and you'd like to continue your life in America? Yeah, I understand where they're coming from, but I'm also fleeing gang violence. If I step to Haiti right now, where I'm from, which is not too far from the capital, I'll get kidnapped, I'll get raped. They're probably going to kill me. Yeah. And do you think these are arguments that will make a difference? well i'm not sure but hopefully somebody understand where i'm coming from anna a haitian who is living in the united states there you're listening to the bbc world service and this is news hour coming to you live from london you're listening to the bbc world service this is news hour coming to you live from london with james kamarasamy the group stage of the world cup is wrapping up this weekend in just under 10 minutes time the final group L matches will begin.
36:11On Friday the favourites France beat Norway 4-1 to win their group. The Norwegians had already qualified for the knockout stages so they'd rested many of their top players including star striker Erling Haaland. But it's their off-the-pitch tactics which have been getting a lot of attention online. The team is being based in North Carolina and rumours have been circulating that not only have they brought Norwegian delicacies with them but they are not using any American products, including the likes of oranges, because they don't trust their quality. Rumours which have been dismissed as false. Well, I've been discussing that with Aaron Espelund.
36:45He's an award-winning chef who has travelled to the United States as Norway's official team chef. First, though, what do you feed a World Cup team? A lot. And you have brought in stuff from Norway, haven't you? things that you can't get in America. Yeah, that's true. That's true. When we started working on this project in November, December last year, one of our concepts was that when the players are gathered for the World Cup, we want to create a feeling of coming home. So that's really the big intention with bringing Norwegian produce all the way from, yeah, all around the world. Well, I mean, a lot of seafood, but there's a very specific Norwegian cheese, isn't there?
37:40Yeah, the Norwegian brown cheese. Tell us a bit about it. I must admit, I'm quite good on cheeses generally, but I'm unfamiliar with the brown cheese. Tell us about it and why it's so important for World Cup footballers to be eating it. It's more like a grandma tradition when we make our waffles. You can compare it to when you're having your Sunday tea, afternoon tea. We always serve Norwegian waffles with strawberry or raspberry jam and sour cream. And sometimes we add on the Norwegian brown cheese. Sounds tasty. I will try it one day. But what about the fish? Because there's quite a lot of that, isn't there?
38:22Yeah, it's some amount. We have 300 kilos of salmon trout and arctic char. And then we have 100 kilos of halibut. Wow. Quite a lot. And do specific players have specific diets that you have to cater for? No, not really. There are some allergies and things like that. but the players and the staff are really, yeah, really humbled and basically really happy with the food so far. And just to be clear, those rumours that you're not even using American oranges and things like that, those aren't true. No, not at all. We have been visiting local farms and bought free-range eggs, local milk. Yeah, so that's not true.
39:23Okay, well, look, you said the important thing is sort of bring home to America for them. If Norway go all the way, how important do you think it will have been, what their diet has been, how you've fed them?
39:39I shall. Will you take the credit? I will not. I will not take the credit. But if we have succeeded making the dining hall a good time for the place to switch off, to enjoy each other and put away the phones and relax, it's a lot of pressure on them all the time. So our main goal and focus is to try to make the dining experience, like breakfast, lunch, dinner, a place where they can relax. If we have done that, then we have succeeded. The Norwegian World Cup team's official chef, Aaron Espeland, who's actually a world champion in his own right. He won the Global Young Chefs Challenge in 2022.
40:27The African nation of Cape Verde has become the smallest country to reach the knockout stages of the World Cup. The African island nation, which has just half a million inhabitants, drew 0-0 with Saudi Arabia to earn a spot in the last 32, where they will face footballing giants and World Cup holders Argentina. The BBC's Paula Nji was at a watch party in the capital, Praia. At this fan zone in the capital, Praia, supporters of the Cape Verdean national team have erupted in celebration. I can actually see a group of people dancing to a music that's playing out here. A man is holding his fubuzela, of course, preparing to blow it, but also drawn to the music that is playing out there.
41:10These are just the scenes that are evident on the streets of prior today. Well, it was a stunning result for the Blue Sharks, as they are known, who have never even qualified for the World Cup before. And here are some of the reactions from their fans in the capital. As a Cape Verdean, I can see the whole trajectory of a nation. It's not only this generation's victory. is a generation that comes before 1975, which is our independence. This is hard and unheard. Like we say here, 1 % of change, 99 % of faith. This is Camelotay, small country, big dreams. Well, the team has drawn heavily from the large Cape Verdean diaspora with 14 members of its 26-man squad born overseas.
42:02One of them is Roberto Lopez, nicknamed Pico. He was born and raised in Ireland and he qualifies through his Cape Verdean father. I spoke to him on News Out back in October when the team was on the verge of qualifying for the World Cup and he told me how he came to play for his father's homeland. So I got a message through my LinkedIn account that I set up through college and one time the previous manager messaged me on LinkedIn in Portuguese, which I didn't speak at the time. I just thought it was like a welcome sort of spam message that you get a lot with LinkedIn. So I just left it very rudely.
42:35But thankfully enough, he replied to me in English probably nine months later. And he asked me again, did I have time to think about his proposal? So in that moment, I did what I should have done the first time and copied and pasted it into Google Translate. And of course, the message asked if I was interested, would I like to be involved in the Cape Verde squad? So your international call-up was in a language you didn't understand and just sat there on your LinkedIn profile for several months. Yeah, I know. It's mad. And as far as I'm probably the luckiest man in the world, the fact that they didn't sort of look elsewhere or they didn't say, oh, this fella's not interested.
43:14So I replied, apologised a hundred times, I think. And I said, if the opportunity was still there, I'd love to be a part of the group. And thankfully it was. and I think maybe three or four weeks later I was in Marseille making my debut. Dubliner, Cape Verdean international, Roberto Pico-Lopez there. Good luck to them. And if you want to have more, much more indeed on the World Cup, you can listen to the BBC World Service's sports podcast, More Than The Score. Just search for More Than The Score wherever you find your BBC podcasts. We have a podcast as well, just look for BBC News Hour. But that is the end of this edition of the programme from me, James Kamarasamy, and the rest of the team, thanks very much for listening.
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More than 1,400 people have been killed and 3,360 others injured in the Venezuela earthquakes, according to the government, as rescuers keep searching for survivors and families wait desperately for news.
Also on the programme, an oil tanker in the Strait of Hormuz has been struck by an unidentified projectile, following the first exchange of fire between the US and Iran since their deal to end hostilities; and we hear from the official chef for Norway's World Cup team.
(Photo: Members of the El Salvador rescue team search for survivors in the rubble of a collapsed building following an earthquake, in La Guaira, Venezuela, 26 June, 2026. Credit: Leonardo Fernandez Viloria/Reuters)
