In short
The episode is a BBC NewsHour live broadcast that leads with the 2026 World Cup kickoff in Mexico City. It covers the opening match (Mexico vs South Africa at Azteca Stadium), the star-studded ceremony (Shakira and Burna Boy), and controversies around ticket prices, travel restrictions for some fans, and a referee’s denied entry. It also highlights protests in Mexico City and anti-migration coverage tied to Pope Francis’s appeal for humane treatment of migrants in the Canary Islands. Additional segments include: a year-later BBC investigation into the Air India Flight 171 crash identification failures; chess’s Russia suspension by FIDE; and an interview about BBC presenter Lise Doucette winning the Women’s Prize for Nonfiction for The Finest Hotel in Kabul.
Guests and backgrounds
Ivan Toribio, Mexico supporters club leader in the US; Ronwen Williams, South Africa captain/goalkeeper; Isaac Fannin, watching in Los Angeles at a Mexican Cultural Center; Zion Felix, Ghanaian blogger who wrote an open letter urging Mexico support; Tom Bateman, BBC State Department correspondent; Azadeh Moshiri, South Asia correspondent; Arkady Dvorkovich, FIDE president; Lise Doucette, BBC chief international correspondent and Women’s Prize winner.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOWorld Cup Kickoff in Mexico City
0:54 to 2:44
Discussion about the opening of the 2026 World Cup in Mexico City.
“I'm James Menendez and we are going to begin today in Mexico City because the wait is over.”
Interview with Fan Ivan Toribio
2:45 to 3:56
Fan Ivan shares his excitement and experiences attending the World Cup.
“I might not be able to make another World Cup if they open up here in Mexico again.”
South African Perspective Pre-Match
3:57 to 5:49
South African captain Ronwen Williams talks about the upcoming match.
“We have about 320 some odd people here from across the country.”
Match Expectations and Team Favorites
5:50 to 8:34
Discussion of match predictions and favorites for the tournament.
“Good to have you with us on the programme.”
Behind the Scenes at Azteca Stadium
8:35 to 12:30
A look at the renovations and preparations at Azteca Stadium.
“a number of them will believe they've got an opportunity to win this competition.”
World Cup Coverage and Updates
12:31 to 13:19
Updates on the World Cup match and where to find more information.
“The positioning, the layout so that everybody gets a decent view seems really well designed.”
Upcoming Guest: Olivia Rodrigo
13:36 to 14:00
Teaser about singer-songwriter Olivia Rodrigo's upcoming segment.
“the US singer-songwriter Olivia Rodrigo talks about music making and her new album.”
World Cup Kickoff and Headline Recap
14:00 to 14:35
Get updates on the World Cup in Mexico City and President Trump's statements on Iran.
“More from Olivia Rodrigo in about 10 minutes time.”
Trump's Optimism on Iran Deal
14:35 to 18:15
An update on President Trump's announcement of a settlement with Iran and the implications for the Strait of Hormuz.
“This is James Menendez with News Alive from the BBC.”
Air India Flight 171 Disaster Report
18:15 to 23:21
A detailed report on the aftermath of the Air India Flight 171 crash and the struggles of affected families.
“Tom Bateman, our State Department correspondent, joining us live.”
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Podcast Recommendations from BBC
23:21 to 24:30
Listen to various BBC podcasts including insights on the CIA and billionaires.
“The CIA has been carrying out covert operations around the world for decades.”
Support for Mexico in World Cup Amid Xenophobia
24:30 to 28:05
A Ghanaian's perspective on supporting Mexico over South Africa due to xenophobic violence against migrants.
“When you hear the phrase made in China, what do you think?”
South Africa's Relationship with Africa
28:05 to 28:50
Explore the complexities of South Africa's social dynamics with other African nations.
“then obviously we can't be showing you love when you are not showing us love.”
Support for Mexico in World Cup
28:50 to 29:41
Discussing fandom and personal connections to Mexico during the World Cup.
“Nigeria has started repatriating its citizens from South Africa back to Nigeria because of how bad things are getting in South Africa.”
Pope Leo's Call for Humanity
29:41 to 30:18
Pope Leo appeals for humane treatment of migrants amidst a crisis in Europe.
“Pope Leo has appealed to world leaders to treat migrants more humanely, warning that indifference was allowing the poor to be swallowed up by exploitation.”
Life of Migrants in the Canary Islands
30:18 to 33:26
Describing the challenges and aspirations of young migrants seeking a better life.
“From the Canaries, Sarah Rainsford reports.”
Chess Politics and Russian Suspension
33:26 to 37:50
Exploring the implications of Russia's suspension from chess due to geopolitical issues.
“Now, if politics often intrudes on the Football World Cup, then the world of chess is no different.”
Lise Doucette's Award Winning Book
37:50 to 42:00
Lise Doucette discusses her book, its themes, and the stories of Afghanistan.
“who is president of the International Chess Federation, FIDE.”
Stories from Afghanistan: Faces of Resilience
42:00 to 46:00
Explore the powerful stories of individuals in Afghanistan as shared by Lise Doucette.
“which had people that they could relate to, care about.”
Exploring CIA's Hidden History
46:30 to 46:45
A brief mention of an upcoming exploration of the CIA's role in US history.
“to mark the United States' 250th birthday, we're exploring the CIA's hidden history.”
Transcript
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0:30from the BBC. As part of our series to mark the United States' 250th birthday, we're exploring the CIA's hidden history. Do you think the word of the United States will be trusted in years to come? For more, check out the global story on bbc.com or wherever you get your podcasts.
0:53Hello and welcome to NewsHour from the BBC World Service. We're coming to you live from London. I'm James Menendez and we are going to begin today in Mexico City because the wait is over. An hour ago the 2026 World Cup got underway at the Azteca Stadium in the city with one of the co-hosts Mexico taking on South Africa. It is just the opening salvo in a five and a half week-long extravaganza of football involving a record 48 different teams playing right across North America, from Monterey to Miami, Boston to Vancouver, Houston to Guadalajara, with teams and their fans crisscrossing the continent while billions watch at home on TV.
1:35Well, before kick-off came a star-studded opening ceremony, with Shakira and Burner Boy performing the official World Cup anthem. The run-up to the start of the tournament has not been without controversy, of course. Exorbitant ticket prices, fans from some countries not been allowed to travel to the US, and Africa's top referee from Somalia being refused entry. And in Mexico City, there has been some disruption from protesters. But for fans like Ivan Toribio, it's all now about the football. Ivan is from Los Angeles, but he's travelled to Mexico for today's opening match, part of the biggest Mexican supporters group in the US.
2:12I spoke to him a little earlier on. Very excited. I actually, I planned to be here. Then I was like, I'm not going to go. But like six weeks ago, I was like, you know what? I'm just going to spend$3 ,000 and get a ticket. So yeah, I'm here. I'm excited for the game. I'm excited for everything that's been going on. Is it an expensive trip? I mean, we've heard a lot about how the ticket prices are high and presumably accommodation is pretty expensive too. You know what? Honestly, yeah, it is expensive. But the way I see it, or maybe I'm just biased about it, I don't know when I'm going to be able to see Mexico play.
2:43So that's why I decided to be here. I might not be able to make another World Cup if they open up here in Mexico again. So yeah, it's a little pricey, but I think it's worth it. How many Mexico supporters from the US are there for today's match, do you think? Oh my God. I don't have an exact number, but just from talking to people from today and yesterday, there's thousands of them. And is it a happy, friendly atmosphere in the city at the moment? Oh, the atmosphere, it's indescribable, honestly. Everywhere you go, you see people wearing, like, Mexico jerseys, there's people chanting. You see people singing, Cialito Lindo.
3:22Yeah, it's an indescribable feeling. Mexicans love to party, and party and soccer is just part of our culture. Did you notice any of the protests that have been taking place in Mexico City? Because we've been hearing about that a bit. Yeah, so actually I have seen them. I went to the bank, and they're around the Zocalo. The whole entire area is actually blocked off by them, and they have barricades, So it's kind of tough to get around that little area, just getting around them. But I've seen them. They've been peaceful. I haven't seen any violent protests, but they're there. They're just around the entire area.
3:55Tell us about Pancho Villa's army, your supporters club. How many of them are there with you? We have about 320 some odd people here from across the country. We're the biggest supporter group for the national team in the United States, for the Mexican national team. We support the male and female team as much as we can. what do you think your team's chances are today against south africa oh i think we have a very good chance of beating africa uh i think a big big factor is gonna be playing here at home that's like huge you know having the fan support cheering for them chanting for them i think that's gonna be like huge for the team big boost and and and what about the the usa team i mean you were born in the u.s are they your sort of second team or are you not going to be supporting them uh oh man how can i be very nice about this you don't have to be nice okay so yeah so i was born in otaku the south africa but i support me in a lot of ways my parents came as immigrants and with the current administration to be honest i don't want to support team USA at all i'd rather see like somebody like i don't know who else is in there i'd rather see south korea do better than to be honest.
5:08Okay, prediction for the score today? I say today, give us 3-0, Mexico. Mexico fan Ivan Toribio. Well, the South African captain and goalkeeper is Ronwin Williams. He talked to the BBC before the match about his excitement. The two most important games at the World Cup is the opening and the final. So amazing, you know, but we know it's going to be difficult. We know the pressure is going to be extremely high. They're not going to make it easy for us. They're going to intimidate us. They're going to have the whole country behind them. Well, Ronwen Williams was talking to the BBC's Isaac Fannin and Isaac is watching the opening match at the Mexican Cultural Center in Los Angeles and joins us on the line.
5:52Good to have you with us on the programme. It certainly was a difficult first half for Ronwen Williams, wasn't it? It really was. Yeah, Mexico were fantastic in the opening half. And just as we came off for our last hit, Mexico scored the opening goal of this World Cup. Julian Quinone is scoring nine minutes into the match. It's been a brilliant start for Mexico in this performance. This place went absolutely crazy. I see a green in front of me, about a thousand Mexican fans here and they were delighted to see the performance of their team in the first half, James. A thousand people there. I mean, what sort of setup have they got at the cultural centre?
6:27Honestly, it's absolutely incredible. So they've got lots of slots with people selling Mexican items and food and then they've got a massive massive giant big screen in front of the stadium, looks like Mexico could potentially be in, oh no they have cleared it away for a second goal, but yeah we've got a massive massive screen in front of us on an open field with just a thousand people cramped in front of it, it's a beautiful beautiful day here absolutely boiling in Mexico, in Los Angeles I should say and yeah the atmosphere here is absolutely fantastic people I've spoken to have just said that this is such a great opportunity for them to show their Mexican American heritage and their culture one fan just saying she was delighted she was so proud to be here and be around the community and it's not just Mexicans here, lots of people from other South American and North American countries here in supporting the Mexican national team in that opening game.
7:29There is a lot of football to come. More than 100 matches, 48 teams, as I mentioned. I mean, World Cups can be unpredictable, but who is likely to emerge through the group stages towards the end of the knockout stages? Who are your eyes on? I think the big favourites are France. Obviously, they made it to the final four years ago, and they've got a fantastic attacking line-up, Kylian Mbappé, Usman Dembele, Michael Alisse, all really, really top quality players that could play in any country's team in the world. They are probably the big favourites. But Argentina today were announced as the top ranked team in the world.
8:11And they are, of course, the holders. They beat France in that World Cup three and a half years ago in Qatar. So they all believe that they will have an opportunity to retain the trophy. And it's perhaps Lionel Messi's last World Cup. so he'd want to go out with another bang. So France, Argentina, those are the teams to watch but you can't, the World Cup is incredibly unpredictable and the fact that we've got 48 teams, a number of them will believe they've got an opportunity to win this competition. Indeed, Isaac, yeah, I'm just keeping my eyes on the screen as the match unfolds, still 1-0 to Mexico in that match.
8:47Isaac Fallon joining us live there from Los Angeles. Well, as I mentioned, the opening game is taking place at the Azteca Stadium in Mexico City, one of world football's most iconic venues. It has been through a comprehensive multi-million dollar renovation over the past two years to get it ready for the tournament. Our Mexico correspondent Will Grant has been given a look behind the scenes.
9:11Perhaps the biggest challenge facing fans with tickets to the opening match will be simply getting there. Mexico City's traffic is notoriously bad and in the current climate of anti-World Cup protests, some are worried they might not get in.
9:28Outside the Azteca Stadium, a group demonstrating over the disappearance of more than 130 ,000 people in Mexico's drug war played a game of street football under a bridge. They'd spray-painted the words Mexico, world champions in disappearances on the road, while others painted over World Cup billboards, calling for a boycott of the tournament.
9:53The idea is to continue with these protests throughout the World Cup, said one of the organisers, Mar Guerrero, for maximum visibility while the eyes of the world are on this stadium. Once inside the stadium, though, the focus turns to football. So there we have it, into the stadium. The iconic Azteca stadium has undergone a major renovation over the past two years, with the Mexican bank having acquired the naming rights with a loan of around$100 million. I was taken on a tour with the Azteca's director, Fílex Aguirre, who led us into the belly of the stadium. What we are seeing here and what we are going to walk around is a player's path.
10:34He explained that the player's tunnel is adorned with a mural by Mexican artist José Noé Suaro, capturing some of the Azteca's most historic footballing moments. On the other side, a glass-fronted hospitality area, so fans who can afford it can watch the players as they move between the pitch and the changing rooms. So inside the Mexico changing room, it is all branded with the Mexican flag and FIFA World Cup 2026. It feels quite a privilege to be here with just, quite frankly, hours to go until the team come in. FIFA don't have anything considered away or home changing rooms. There are basically two that are identical.
11:17But of course, this one is Mexico's. It is beautifully done, actually. Leather seats in each place. And within a matter of hours, the players will be in here, getting themselves ready for, in some of their cases, the biggest match of their lives. Wow. Amazing.
11:37Well, I've just walked up the steps, out into the stadium, and it is breathtaking. Genuinely one of the finest stadiums in the Americas. No doubt about it, one of the finest stadiums in the world. This, of course, was the site of the Ano de Dios, the hand of God, in that incredible goal that Maradona scored against England shortly thereafter.
12:09The stadium's director, Felix Aguirre, said with hours to go until kick-off, his overriding sensation is one of pride. It's the pride of being a very small part of a very big team that will deliver one of the biggest spectacles in the history of the world. It is resplendent. It is amazing. It looks completely ready. The pitch is pristine. The seats are incredible. The positioning, the layout so that everybody gets a decent view seems really well designed. All that's left now, of course, is 22 players, 80-odd thousand fans and a ball. And that was Will Grant reporting there from the Azteca Stadium in Mexico City, which is hosting that opening match.
13:00We're about five, six minutes into the second half. It is still 1-0 to Mexico. You can keep up with all the latest updates on that opening game on our website and plenty more in the way of features around the World Cup. It's all at bbc.com forward slash news and just search for FIFA World Cup on the menu at the top of the page. You're listening to News Out.
13:35Still to come on the programme, the US singer-songwriter Olivia Rodrigo talks about music making and her new album. I grew up very insular and like very sometimes lonely and I think that's generally the experience of a child actor. You know, you're not around a lot of people your age. And so I think songs were sort of my comfort.
14:04More from Olivia Rodrigo in about 10 minutes time. Let's just recap our main headlines at the moment. The World Cup's kicked off in Mexico City with a co-host taking on South Africa in the first of more than 100 matches. And President Trump has said that a great settlement has been made with Iran. Earlier, he called off some threatened attacks. We'll have more on that in a moment.
14:35This is James Menendez with News Alive from the BBC. In the past hour or so, President Trump has said that a deal has been reached with Iran, though he didn't say much more than that. He was talking to reporters in the Oval Office. we just made a great settlement of the war with the rand and we're going to be uh subject to finalization of documents we should get done over the next few days probably have a signing maybe in europe and uh it's a great thing let's talk to our state department correspondent uh tom bateman uh tom do we know anything else well he was asked a few more questions by the journalists in the last few minutes he was still going actually so this might be some more details coming out but he was asked about that you know how settled is this how is the deal signed off and he said that um as you heard there that they hope to have a signing possibly as soon as this weekend and he said perhaps in europe he was asked about whether the supreme leader in Iran, Moshtem Ahamanai, had signed off on this, and he said that was his understanding.
15:45So as far as the president is concerned, this is as optimistic as he has sounded, I think, over this idea that what is understood to be a short so-called memorandum of understanding with the Iranians could be agreed fairly soon. One of the key questions he was asked is about the Strait of Hormuz. Would it reopen as soon as this is signed? And he said, yes, it would. So, as I say, he's sounding optimistic, but the key point is we still don't have any official word from Tehran about this. So far, Iranian state media had been describing Mr. Trump's move, saying he'd cancelled tonight's planned airstrikes.
16:24They were describing that as a retreat, suggesting that Mr. Trump had been sort of forced into backing off because of Iranian pressure. Yeah, and Tom, the other factor, of course, is Israel's position. These are lines just coming out, as I'm talking to you now, that President Trump and the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu have spoken, and the Prime Minister's office in Israel saying that there are various commitments from the US, including the removal of enriched material in Iran, the dismantling of infrastructure, limiting missile production, and so on. This has just been reported on the Reuters news agency.
17:01I mean, I suppose the point about this memorandum of understanding, I mean, it is not an all-encompassing grand bargain, is it? It is not that at all, because what this is, is in various points it had been described as only being a page long. I mean, my understanding is it's a bit longer than that. But this is basically a very rudimentary framework that gets Donald Trump out of the sort of immediate hole he's in, which is the closure of the Strait of Hormuz by the Iranians. So what it would do at the start is to start a process that gets the Strait of Hormuz reopened and the Americans in return lift their naval blockade.
17:37But everything else that the negotiations were about basically gets returned to a point that it was at before the 28th of February, before the U.S. and Israel launched their war in Iran. And you then effectively restart these direct negotiations between the U.S. and the Iranians over dealing with all those issues. But it probably is the case that there will be a sort of statement of intent, an agreement on the agenda in this memorandum of understanding. But it won't agree on the finality of how all those things are done, specifically on the issue of getting rid of Iran's nuclear fuel, its stockpile of highly enriched uranium.
18:14Tom, thanks very much for that update. Tom Bateman, our State Department correspondent, joining us live. If we get any more details, we will, of course, bring them to you on that story.
18:27Now, on the 12th of June last year, Air India Flight 171 was bound for London's Gatwick Airport from Ahmedabad in Gujarat. But instead, it crashed shortly after take-off, becoming one of the worst aviation disasters India has seen in years, killing 241 passengers and crew on board and 19 people on the ground. The BBC has been back to the crash site and spoken to one family whose grief has been compounded by failures in the identification process. Our South Asia correspondent Azadeh Moshiri reports now from Ahmedabad. The planes that fly above are a reminder of how close this crash site is from the airport.
19:08It's about a kilometre and a half from the end of the runway. There are still cars, motorcycles and rickshaws that pass by this site. The rest of it, though, looks like it's suspended in time. authorities seem to have removed the debris from the plane but the buildings themselves the accommodation for the medical students at the nearby government hospital look exactly the way they did a year ago charred walls but metal broken glass yoginda lives about five minutes away from here and he still remembers that day here's videos where you can see him pulling bodies out of the rubble.
19:53He doesn't think anyone he tried to save survived. He said it felt like the bodies were disintegrating into his hands. And the whole scene looks like it's in the middle of the night, even though it was the afternoon, because the smoke is just covering the skies. Those who were sitting inside drinking tea, they also died. It was very difficult to extract them. We couldn't get them out because the seatbelts had caught fire. So it was very challenging, but everyone helped out.
20:26The crash damaged multiple buildings, but the impact stretches even further. In suburbs, villages outside of Ahmedabad, families have lost loved ones. We're traveling right now about an hour out of Ahmedabad, where Roman Vahra lost his aunt, his brother and his three-year-old niece.
20:49I was inside the mortuary ward trying to identify the bodies, trying to find the child and my loved ones. Through my contacts, I got permission to go inside the ward. The bodies I saw still keep spinning in my head. I can't sleep. The condition those bodies were in, the ones I saw, I am never going to forget it until my time in breath. But the work of identifying the dead isn't over. Worse, some remains were wrongly identified. We're back at our hotel to call someone still fighting for answers. Four days after returning to London with his parents' remains, Mitten received a call from police. A CT scan of his mother's casket had revealed it also contained the remains of someone else.
21:39Further testing later on showed they were those of an unidentified man. We called Mitten from Ahmedabad.
21:49Hi Mitten, it's Azadeh, how are you? Yeah, good, not too bad. Bit emotional with this week, to be honest. One year, you know. There is an unknown person in the UK mortuary. I want to be able to get that person reunited with their families. I don't think I know how to grieve if I'm honest with you. and I don't want to let go of finding the answers because I don't want to let go of my mum and dad. A UK coroner has sent palm prints and DNA to Indian authorities but they still have no confirmation of the man's identity. The BBC has reached out to the government of Gujarat as well as the Indian Foreign Ministry but received no response.
22:33Last year, in a statement, the Foreign Ministry said it had been working closely with the UK from the moment these concerns were brought to their attention and that all remains were handled with utmost professionalism and with due regard for the dignity of the deceased. These words are no comfort, though, to families like Mittens. The families we've met seem haunted by the crash. In Ahmedabad, Yoginda still returns to the crash site to feed stray dogs. He told me sometimes he'll see victim's relatives standing there. They let him know they lost someone on the 12th of June. Their grief, like the charred buildings the plane collided with, is stark, unchanged a year later.
23:20And that was our South Asia correspondent Azadeh Mishiri reporting there. You're listening to News Out. Do you stay with us? Lots more coming in.
23:34The CIA has been carrying out covert operations around the world for decades. How has it shaped how people feel about the U.S.? I'm Asma Khalid. And I'm Tristan Redman. And together we host the Global Story podcast from the BBC. As part of our series to mark the United States' 250th birthday, we're exploring the CIA's hidden history. Do you think the word of the United States will be trusted in years to come? For more, check out the Global Story on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Simon Jack. I'm Zing Zing. And together we host Good Bad Billionaire. The podcast exploring how some of the wealthiest people on the planet made their money.
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24:38When you hear the phrase made in China, what do you think? I'm Tristan Redman. And I'm Asma Khalid. And together we host the Global Story podcast from the BBC. And today on our show, we look at the origins and evolution of made in China, because it actually wasn't inevitable. What we're talking about is the world's largest communist nation is at the beating heart of the capitalist system. For more, listen to The Global Story on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.
25:15This is the BBC World Service in London. You're listening to NewsHour and I'm James Menendez. Let's return to the World Cup and in the opening match of the tournament because under normal circumstances, fans from other countries in Africa might be expected to support Bafana Bafana as the South African team is known. But many are opting to side with Mexico because of the recent spate of xenophobic attacks in South Africa against migrants from other parts of the continent. Zion Felix is a Ghanaian blogger who recently penned an open letter to the Mexican national football team urging them on to victory.
25:48I asked him why. I'm supporting Mexico simply because of how our brothers in South Africa are treating migrants from African continents in their country. I mean, in 2010, almost everybody on the continent, Africa, supported them when they hosted a first workup on the continent. When they met Mexico, everybody was supporting them. But 16 years on, a lot has changed. A lot has changed on the continent. We've all seen how they are treating our brothers on the continent, especially even people from Ghana. And our government had to go and then bring some of them back home. And even just yesterday, I had a call from somebody who is in South Africa, a Ghanaian, complaining bitterly about the treatment that they have been given, they're now sleeping in churches, Ghanaian churches in South Africa.
26:37So because of this, I mean, not just myself, a lot of people on the continent are supporting Mexico because if you don't love us, and I mean, it's clear that you don't love us. So that is why I am supporting Mexico today for them to beat South Africa. And tell us a bit more about the sort of treatment that you've been hearing about in South Africa. I mean, is it that you blame South Africans themselves for their attitudes towards people from other parts of Africa? Yeah, I support South Africa themselves. They are complaining that because they believe that we are taking over jobs in South Africa, of which I believe is not true.
27:15There are a lot of jobs in South Africa that if you really want to work, I'm sure you get something to do instead of blaming your brothers and sisters from other African countries. So normally in the World Cup, if another African team was playing a match, would you generally support them? I mean, that's where your support would go, would it? Yeah, I mean, we all know that rivalry between Ghana and Nigeria. But if Nigeria is playing at a top level like that, almost all Ghanais will support Nigeria. Really? Right. Yeah, almost every Ghanais will support Nigeria because this is at a top level. It's not about they're Nigerians or they are dead.
27:55We are Africans. So we would support every African country. We support each other. But if you are trying to tell us that you don't want us, you don't love us as brothers, then obviously we can't be showing you love when you are not showing us love. I mean, this is quite a turnaround, isn't it? Because, you know, particularly after the end of apartheid in South Africa, South Africa became this sort of focus for pan-African feeling and solidarity, didn't it? Exactly. And we don't know why all of a sudden for some years now, they started, I mean, rebelling against their own brothers and sisters on the continent, of which it's not the same when you go to other African countries.
28:34We have South Africans in Ghana, South Africans in Nigeria, South Africans in other parts of the continent, and we don't treat them like that. And this is not the first time. I mean, it's been happening, but I think this is worse. And that is why even countries have to go and then bring their citizens back to their homeland. I think today, Nigeria has started repatriating its citizens from South Africa back to Nigeria because of how bad things are getting in South Africa. So you're now a Mexican fan and I was watching you reading out your open letter. I mean, you really want Mexico to win, don't you?
29:07Exactly. I want them to score them maybe like three zero. Right now, I have a Mexican name and then most of the people on the continent have also taken a Mexican name just to support Mexico. What's your Mexican name now? Zion Felix Dele Prado. Right, okay. And you've been putting Mexican flags on your name on social media and stuff like that as well, yeah? Yeah, yeah. Just to show that love. Zion Felix, Ghanaian blogger supporting Mexico against South Africa. He may get his wish. Mexico just in the past couple of minutes have scored again. It is now 2-0 in that game. Pope Leo has appealed to world leaders to treat migrants more humanely, warning that indifference was allowing the poor to be swallowed up by exploitation.
29:54He was speaking during a visit to the Canary Islands today, the Spanish archipelago off the northwest coast of Africa that's become a major destination for those trying to reach the European Union. He's been meeting people who survived the dangerous crossing, but he also laid a wreath to remember the thousands who've died. And his appeal for a kinder approach comes as the EU starts putting into place new measures to make it even harder to reach Europe. From the Canaries, Sarah Rainsford reports.
30:24In a classroom in Tenerife, a teacher points to parts of her body and students call out the names in Spanish. They're in their late teens, young men from West Africa who have risked their lives to reach this southern tip of Europe, paying smugglers to squeeze them into flimsy wooden boats and then send them on the long and dangerous trip across the Atlantic. They're now being helped by a church charity here to learn Spanish and find flats and work. It is the stories of men like these that Pope Leo wants to bring into focus by coming here to the Canary Islands, a clear and deliberate counterpoint to all the talk elsewhere of a migration crisis or an ideological invasion.
31:07I decided to go whether I survive or I die. but what I want, I want my family to be in a good condition tomorrow. Bakari is one of many who will meet Pope Leo. Late last year, the teenager boarded a boat and for seven scary days, he saw nothing all around but sea. By the time he spotted land, all his supplies had run out. Pope Leo has been on the Spanish mainland for several days. In Madrid, he got a standing ovation. for an address for parliament that included a call for safe pathways for migrants to Europe and for a humane approach. Right now, Spain is bucking the populist anti-migration trend across Europe by allowing hundreds of thousands of undocumented migrants to get residency and work permits.
32:00The far right here aren't happy. They use that invasion word again and claim the policy will bring more migrants here to collapse the welfare system. We've just come down from the quayside into a big car workshop. There are people here painting and repairing vehicles. Quite a few of the young men working here arrived in the Canary Islands from West Africa. And this is the company that's now employing them to do work that Spanish people here on the island just don't want to do anymore. This week, Europe is set to tighten its borders further. A new EU pact kicks in that will make it easier and quicker to detain and deport those with no right to asylum.
32:46But on the Canary Islands, the deputy welfare minister argues that the focus is wrong. We have no one to work in the hotels, drive our buses or work in construction. What we need is a re-immigration policy that means people from African countries don't have to risk their lives, but can come to Europe and have options for work. Instead, he says Europe is trying to build more walls and to keep on building them even higher. Sarah Rainsford reporting.
33:27Now, if politics often intrudes on the Football World Cup, then the world of chess is no different. For decades, Russia was the dominant force in the game. Think of players such as Anatoly Karpov and Garry Kasparov. Today, though, Russia was suspended by FIDE, the governing body of world chess. It follows a legal ruling upholding a complaint by Ukraine that Russia's own chess federation was illegally running tournaments in areas of Ukraine occupied by the Russian military. However, it's unlikely to be the end of the story. I've been talking to FIDE's president, Arkady Dvorkovich. He is himself Russian.
34:04In fact, he was once the country's deputy prime minister. Indeed, he's facing the possibility of EU sanctions because of his support for Russia's invasion of Ukraine. I asked him first how he felt having to suspend his own country from FIDE. As the president of International Chess Federation, I have to follow the rules and the rules say that we have to do it. It's a caste decision. We did it based on this decision and according to the FIDE charter. My personal feelings, of course, might be important, but I'm acting as the FIDE president. Yeah, sure. But I mean, what are your personal feelings?
34:46I mean, you must feel conflicted as a Russian and of course, you know, given that Russia has been such a prominent force in the game for so many decades? You know, I feel sorry about any kind of sanctions in our sport world. And do you accept that the premise of that decision by the Court of Arbitration for Sport, that Russia shouldn't have been organizing, what, thousands of chess tournaments in occupied Ukrainian territories and registering thousands of players in those regions. It's not up to me to comment the decision of the court. I mean, your critics have said that this suspension is not genuine because there may be ways in which Russians can take part under a neutral flag.
35:40In other words, they'll continue to be able to participate in tournaments. Is that right? According to the FIDE charter, in the case of temporary suspension, players of that federation shall retain the right to play either under their national flag or under FIDE flag. So what, they will be able to play under a neutral flag? I mean, individual players will be able to play. Only the federation was suspended. We are in our right to protect the players according to our charter. As for teams, it will be subject to further council decision. It is at this point unclear. One English delegate to FIDE, Malcolm Payne, told us that he thought that there was no doubt that tournaments would continue to take place in those occupied Ukrainian territories.
36:39He said there was also a lot of countries that were very unhappy with FIDE's decision because they say it's not genuine. And because of that, he told us that your position is now untenable and that you should resign. Will you? No, I will not. I'm the elected FIDE president until September 2026. Our decision is based on strong legal foundations. There's another factor, isn't there? Because on Wednesday, the European Commission recommended that you should be blacklisted as part of the latest round of sanctions against Russia because of its invasion of Ukraine. Can you do your job if that is the case?
37:23Well, first of all, I don't want to comment on any kind of speculations regarding the draft circulating in our partners' bodies. If anything will create risks for FIDE operating, including sanctions on me, I will resign. And that was Arkady Dvorakovic, who is president of the International Chess Federation, FIDE. You're listening to NewsHour from the BBC World Service.
38:14This is James Menendez with NewsHour live from the BBC. Now, we often say here that we are not the story. It's not about us, the presenters or correspondents, but about the people we speak to. So, this is an unusual one because the person we're about to hear from is both a BBC presenter and correspondent. In fact, she's a colleague. And this time she is the story because a little earlier, our own chief international correspondent and NewsHour presenter, Lise Doucette, was announced as the winner of this year's Women's Prize for Nonfiction for her debut book, The Finest Hotel in Kabul, A People's History of Afghanistan.
38:51Well, I caught up with Lise at the ceremony just after the announcement. Oh, well, of course, I had to make time for News Hour, since News Hour is family. But you're right, James, we don't really like to be the story. But I have to say tonight's I Will Take It, because I think it's very much in keeping with the kind of news that we deal with day in, day out, is that it was very unpredictable. and I have to say unlikely. Just to get on the short list of the women's prize was a gift in itself. There were some literary giants on that list. And so to be chosen, I have to say, is overwhelming. Well, you're being characteristically modest.
39:34I mean, the judges described it, I think, as a perfect work of narrative nonfiction. When you thought about writing the book, Was it always going to be about Afghanistan? And why is that country so important to you personally and professionally? Like I should say, James, that when I thought about writing a book, it was aligned with the time that we know so well in journalism. In our profession, we talk about news avoidance, that people were turning away from the news. I was even, and you may be too, James, turning away from the news, so glum, so grim, so negative that it became unbearable. But of course, we're citizens and whatever the imperfections in our societies, we live with great privileges.
40:21And so as citizens, we do know, we do have to know what's going on in the world. And I wanted to explore a different kind of storytelling, a kind of storytelling which goes beyond the snapshots that we see in the news. because often when it comes to a place like Afghanistan or Ukraine or Gaza or Sudan, we see people at the worst moments of their lives. And I wanted to try to, by using the first luxury hotel in Afghanistan, built when Afghanistan was a kingdom, I was seeking to use a familiar prism, a prism that everyone the world over knows about hotels. And let's be honest, who doesn't love a luxury hotel?
41:04And to use this, it was a hotel which had a lot of meanings for Afghanistan, where a lot of history went through it. And so I used this, I had hoped, and I hope it is coming true, that to bring people in and not to turn them away from a story which can seem so unfamiliar. But I've often said that every story, no matter how complex or consequential, when you drill down to the essence of them, what are they at heart? There's stories about mothers and fathers and children and homes and streets and societies and cities. There's stories that all of us should be able to recognize. And I think the greatest honor for me tonight is that the judges, these very discerning readers, found in a book about a country and a people and a history which seems so far away in every which way, is something where they found meaning, where they found joy, which had people that they could relate to, care about.
42:04I guess one of the greatest compliments I had about the book was a friend of mine who's a very successful Canadian novelist, Louise Penny, who said, you know, I never read nonfiction. And when I would hear the news about Afghanistan, I'd hear the news about violence, about hunger, about disasters. Now she says, when I hear the news about Afghanistan, I think about Abedah, I think about Mohammed, I think about Malalai, I think about the people in your book. Finally, I want to also emphasize that I could not have written this book without the close cooperation of my dear colleague and friend, the BBC senior Afghanistan producer Mahfouz Zubaydi.
42:45He was with me every step of the way, not just helping to translate from Dari and Pashto, but also helping to understand the emotions and the experiences of Afghans living through these times. Can you tell us about one of the characters, just to give people a flavour of those stories? I'll tell you about Hazrat. Hazrat is the oldest one in the book. He's 70-something. Afghans often don't know their birth date. But he was there when the hotel opened, when Afghanistan was a kingdom, when the real intercontinental luxury hotel chain ran the hotel. And the first day when I met him back at the hotel, and I should say that this is a hotel where I stayed for a year when I first went to Afghanistan on Christmas Day of 1988 to cover the Soviet troops who withdrawn the Cold War.
43:36People like Khazrat were still working there in 2021 when I started the research. And he actually imitated what he remembered of these wealthy tourists who would glide across the marble floor of the Intercontinental Hotel in their white shirts and white shorts. And they'd fling over their shoulders this white, soft, plush towel as they went on their way to the swimming pool or the tennis courts. It oozed like luxury sophistication. A world so different from his own. But he, from this very poor, hard scribble life of his own, he found a sense of purpose in this hotel. He found dignity. And all of these people who I met in this book, they carry themselves with such dignity, with such pride.
44:27And Hazrat would say that I still think this is the finest hotel in the world. Now, never mind he's never been in any other five-star hotel in the world. And never mind that the finest hotel was at some point the worst hotel in the world. He still believed that it was the best. And I should mention also Abeda. Abeda, who became the first female sous chef in the Yonge Continental in 2001, when foreign hotel managers came back to run the hotel. She has no formal education. She can't read. She can hardly write. But Abeda has this superpower, which is in her hands. Wow, can she cook. And she dazzled the foreign hotel managers.
45:11And even in her life, she suffered misery upon misery. Her husband killed in one of the many wars. Her daughter's husband killed in one of the many wars. And yet she found such joy in watching Afghan Star every week. She found meaning in listening to the news. And even someone like Abeda, with such a tough life, still found ways to get up in the morning with an everyday courage to face the day. And these people became, for me, they were emblematic of a great place and a great people. The BBC's chief international correspondent, NewsHour presenter too, and now winner of the Women's Prize for Nonfiction for this year, Lise Doucette, speaking to me from that ceremony in London.
46:00And that brings us to the end of this edition of News Air. From me and the rest of the team, thanks so much for being with us. Until the next time. Bye-bye.
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Football fans have filled the Azteca Stadium in Mexico City for the start of the World Cup. After the opening ceremony, Mexico takes on South Africa in the first of 104 matches in the expanded tournament. 48 nations are competing for football's ultimate prize. The co-hosts Canada and the United States will hold their own opening ceremonies before their first group matches on Friday and Saturday. Also in the programme: Pope Leo urges world leaders to treat migrants more humanely; and drama in the world of chess as Russia is suspended - we'll hear from the governing body's president, who is himself Russian. (Photo: FIFA World Cup 2026 - Group A - Mexico v South Africa - Estadio Azteca, Mexico City, Mexico - June 11, 2026. A performer during the opening ceremony before the match. Credit: Reuters/Kai Pfaffenbach)
